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Looks like youre going to post the highlight reel of selected talks instead of the full thing. That's fine but it would be nice if you unprivated the vod for those that want to catch all the convos
I was at Evergreen for my first quarter winter 2017 - saw it all firsthand. It wasn't just social pressure, my class docked credit if you didn't go. It was just a cringe workshop, but still... happy to spill some more detailed firsthand info for clarity over voice at your discretion sometime. All in all it was way more lame and cringe than the rightoids tried to claim, and way more awful and problematic than the leftoids are prepared to admit.
the first girl criticizing the professor and essentially framing him as a racist for wanting to have a discussion of race through the lens of his scientific field and not through a lens of social justice is peak wokeism
@@kaleb51 how do you know that he wasnt going to speak about the bad effects or the misconstrued "science" of the past and compare it to what we know now. You realize we can have these convos and not be racist. We can have these convos that discuss why past understandings are wrong. Why is that a crazy thing to think?
Except that they LITERALLY said that these people should be allowed to talk, but that doesn't mean they're not allowed to criticize the things they say. It's kinda silly that the only way you can disagree with these people is by pretending they've said something when they literally said the exact opposite of that thing. They aren't saying that people aren't allowed to say certain things, they're saying that they disagree with the things those people are saying. Disagreeing with and criticizing somebody isn't the same thing as saying they "shouldn't be allowed to talk." Destiny disagrees with and criticizes people all the time -- does this mean that Destiny has also gone too far? If you actually paid attention to the video, you'd see these people affirming repeatedly that they DO think these people should be allowed to talk, but that there are generally social repurcussions as well as ideological responses when you say things that people disagree with.
@@shaggytheshaman When free speech has "repercussions" as you so put it, depending on what those "repercussions" are, I would argue that the speech at some point ceases to be free. In an authoritarian dictatorship, say in stalin or hitler's countries in WW2, people had the freedom to say whatever they wanted. The "repercussion" in that case was imprisonment or death. That I think you would agree is not free speech. If the "repercussion" to speech is less severe, say the loss of your job and being socially excluded, I would still hesistate to characterise that speech as free. The 1st amendment of the US constitution only promises lack of legal prosecution for free speech in a public space. But a college campus should be a place that includes a diversity of ideas and should not be deplatforming, persecuting, and firing individuals who have a different viewpoint from the majority. Of course, companies have the legal freedom to fire people based on most reasons, but to use this power to exclude people with a rhetoric you don't agree with is counter to the ideals of what a college should be. My point, and I think the points of most people here, is not that people should not disagree with unpopular opinions, but that people with unpopular opinions should not have their livelihoods taken away or be deplatformed in a university setting. Whatever the law says you are technically allowed to do, if your reaction to a dissenting opinions is the destroy their livelihood, I don't think that is promoting free speech.
The fact that all of these students fail to see the value in free-speech is absolutely astonishing. It isn’t just about their right to speak their thoughts, it’s also about your right to be able to hear those thoughts! You’re basically asking to have society censored because you’re too weak minded to reason through bad ideas. These conversations just depress me. They make me concerned for our future.. anyone who doesn’t support freedom of speech isn’t a freaking liberal, they align with fascism
The fact a professor who taught for 20 or so yrs got fired after four students walked out after he taught sex is decided by chromosones............is a good example of wokeness gone to far.
Precisely. It is a master carpenter being fired because the kid with a summer apprenticeship decided he knows better because he made a popsicle house in second grade!🤣
Or the Hispanic guy losing his job because he sat in his car, having his arm out of the window, scratching his cuticles, while waiting for a BLM protest to pass by. He was accused of doing a White P* handsign. It was a 4chan hoax which was picked up by the media saying the👌(okay) was a secret WP handsign. So many people got in trouble for it. Soldiers, an ICE agent (who actually fights trafficking) etc... Edit: Destiny just mentioned it as well.
Well I mean it's more complicated than that, sex is determined by hormones, and the hormones you get are decided by your set of sex chromosomes. So for the vast majority yeah, but there's other things that affect sex too. I don't think the professor you are talking abt should've been fired, but maybe one of the students were trans and they were offended by how he was teaching sex in a rudimentary way, like if your old science teacher in middle school was saying how homosexuality is unnatural (a more accepted point at the time) and then some kids walked out of the class
@@goose9515 sex, as a purely biological matter, IS decided by chromosomes. a female can never have a Y chromosome. with Swyer's syndrome, where males develop female parts, those parts are functionless--they cannot, by their nature, bear children or menstruate. it is a deformity. socially speaking, culturally, it may be problematic to describe such a person as a "male". because the secondary sex characteristics of the female are so strong in them, this will in their social reality likely cause them to have an authentic affinity with womanhood and space should be made for such people. but to state a blunt biological fact that chromosomes essentially define your sex is not problematic. the fact that XY chromosomes can cover those who appear male and those who outwardly appear female might actually be interpreted as inclusive--and consistent.
@@goose9515it's not really the same or similar. The sex is decided by chromosomes might just be old curriculum and even if it isn't can't they ask questions for him to clarify instead of walking and getting him fired?
"Give me a specific example of this happening" *gives a specific example* "You can throw these anecdotes at me all day and that's all they will ever be"
This is the entire point of marxist infiltration of institutions. Hide your bad arguments behind argumentum ad verecundiam. Except we have seized control of all positions of authority. There is no point in debating or arguing these people. They want you dead and your kids r_ped, prepare to handle them accordingly.
Jesus. This is why progressives always doom themselves. They’re too ignorant, stupid, selfish and short sighted to see anything but their own neuroticism projected into everyone. You can’t even consider information, without saying, “but other people are to blame.” Or, the child’s equivalence of saying “I know you are but what am I.”
@@MynaaMiesnowan What a ridiculous, childish generalization, based upon vapid assumed binaries, false equivalencies, coloring book cognition, and a general deficiency in critical thinking. This is why conservative ideology overwhelmingly attracts the least educated, the least intellectually curious, the most ideologically moldable, and the most irrationally religious.
Brett Weinstein “goes to every podcast to talk about it even though it happened forever ago”? Woman! He was forced to quit his job after getting tenure, everything he worked for in life!
Bret never said he was going to give a lecture on "race realism" he said "a discussion of race through a scientific / evolutionary lens". Letting her frame it this way makes it seem like he was a white nationalist professor. Even if you hate Bret for his covid opinions, this is completely wrong and Destiny should have never conceded that.
I honestly can't fathom the lack of charitability on that woman's part, she legitimately insinuated that Brett would lecture IN SUPPORT of race realism. Yes, he built his life and career at one of the most liberal institutions in the United States, and it was all a big ruse. He really was just a Jewish Nazi or white supremacist the entire time. He probably was going to touch on race realism, but to think he wasn't going to focus on giving the audience the tools to dissect and debunk it is absurd. It's the same bad faith attitude that is responsible for the controversy.
It doesnt matter to them. They think saying theres any difference between population groups beyond skin color is "race realism" and automatically "white supremacy" (never mind the fact, on average east asians are more intelligent than europeans and certain african populations are more athletic than europeans so even if you bought wholly into "race realism," "white people" wouldnt be "supreme"). They're no different than creationists, they dont believe in evolution, dont believe in evolutionary pressures based on geography, available diet, anything. Actually, maybe talking to a creationist would be better. At least the creationist can account for differences and just say "Well God made it that way."
@@natediaz1863 It is relevant because it makes it look like there were legitimate reasons to bully Bret out of his job. Calling for a professor to resign because he wants to hold a lecture on why whites are superior is not the same as calling for them to resign because they didn't want certain students to be forced to stay home because of the color of their skin.
Exactly, she made that up. It would have been even more interesting for destiny to prod that, since her thought process was "evolution + race = race realism" leaving no room for debate. That's an ex. of a simplified heuristic that's super prominent in woke people and is the exact reason people get cancelled.
Man that guy was an idiot 😂. All his examples he used to justify canceling people like "I h@te all xx people"; so many people are getting canceled for saying things that aren't anywhere nearly as bad as that, stuff that's neutral in fact. I like how he knows what people actually mean when they speak: it's all dogwhistling covering for hate, and he knows that for a fact.
She interrupts Destiny to make a point, Destiny refutes her arguments, then she proceeds to deny that those were her arguments for 20 minutes, it's like purgatory...
As an Asian American I have never experienced more racism than from progressives telling me I should think, do, believe, feel and be whatever it is they think a minority should be like. Firm but not far conservative here absolutely elated to see an olive branch being extended by someone I thought I would never support in any way. The students on the other hand. I don't see much has improved since I left college.
Hell yeah brother. I’m Korean and white. It’s called a box and they want you in it so they can use it to be racist and prejudice with stereotypes. Cue the small penis, rich, play classical instruments, insanely tough parents with 4 hr of math study per day tropes. Steven he kind of broke through that and used comedy to laugh at it so I appreciate that. I never went through that so welp I’m not Asian. Guess I didn’t get the memo or my evil white side took over my body and sent my Asian genes to the shadow realm! /s
This is why we need more strong black, asian, latino conservative voices. It's far too easy for a heterosexual white male just to be put in the "oppressor" category. If you can be labeled racist/sexist/transphobic etc then it's easier to just dismiss/deplatform and not contend with your ideas at all. Meanwhile I'm over here like, "I don't hate anyone, I'm just poor as fuck and want lower taxes."
Im mixed white and black and the amount of mollycoddling is insane. Apparently its impossible for the black half of me to be a bad guy, he's just oppressed. Which apparently justifies every shitty action I might make. But the white side of me? Fuck that guy he's just a bad man.
Lmao you live a sheltered life. Try talking to some real right-wingers on cod or 4chan. They’ll break the world record of Asian slurs on you in a heartbeat. It’s hilarious to think that libs are racist for giving you special treatment, which I don’t entirely agree with either as a post-racial libertarian.
I like how she decided for Bret that his life is “better” as a pod caster vs what he and his wife dedicated their lives to do. Teaching young people at Evergreen.
Is it any surprise with the amount of smugness just oozing from her as soon as she spoke? She’s got it all figured out, so obviously she knows what’s best for the guy. Just from some of her expressions, she acted like it pained her to just hear his argument. Then again, she wasn’t willing to hear another side. That was never her intention. People like that engaging in these things walk into it with the sole intent of getting a “hah gotcha” and trying to pull the other person to _their_ side - never the other way around. They don’t understand that these types of conversations are meant to have *both* sides come to the table with an open mind to have an honest conversation where either side could walk away with different views. It’s not a debate, just two people conversing. She sat down with a wall up, ready to be defensive with no will to genuinely engage with someone that thinks differently or even believe that she could potentially be wrong. It’s kind of sad, really, because she’s not a dumb person. She’s just very disingenuous.
@@TwoBsprobably won’t be a popular sentiment in this comment section but this is how about 90% of liberals under 40 behave. They’re so convinced of their moral superiority to anyone disagreeing with them that they won’t genuinely engage with anybody that disagrees. Logic or arguments don’t matter because they know if you disagree it’s coming from a place of hate and the hate in your heart that they’ve projected onto you is all that is truly relevant to them.
The woman (while a little annoying) articulated her points well and I really enjoyed the back and forth. I think she should continue to host more events like this in the future.
While I agree that she did articulate well, I think she was a lot more than just a little annoying. She would not let him articulate anything without stopping him constantly.
In terms of intellectual conversation I 100% agree, it's interesting to go from the macro level of debating leftist creators who have large audiences then debating the micro which in this case is students. From an entertainment perspective I prefer the yelling & fighting because it gets more neuron activation in my monkey brain but I think both are needed
I know destiny will probably never see this, but even as a conservative, I truly truly respect the way he conducts himself and tries to make conversation with people. Video after video he continues to show an insurmountable level of respect to people who he disagrees with. Just gained a fan, & sub.
@@michael2713 Shapiro, arguably. I actually think they both humbled each other in that debate. As a conservative also, Destiny gained a sub and follow from me after the debate with Shapiro.
@@bladeofwar that shapiro convo had a real lack of humbling on both sides, sure they disagreed but didn't delve into substance, once they understood eachother's position they just moved on quickly I don't want bloodsports but could've been a little more combative imo
Umm..no she's not..she's the worst kind of intolerant bigot i've ever seen. He could barely open his mouth without her opening hers to interupt, insult, belittle and just say generally idiotic things.
@@-karter-4556 two major flaws with this girl. She wasn't debating. She has no intention of changing her mind, and that's Inherently the problem with debates nowadays, which leads to the intense passive aggressive vibe. No matter how non yelly and non violent this conversation was. It was by no means civil discourse, which is what a debate should be.
The first girl is a perfect example of people who think they are smarter than everyone but they can’t even engage in simple debates or back up their arguments
Education isn't the same as intelligence, but some people have a huge ego that when they know more about something they think they can talk about everything else.
That first woman was exactly the problem he was talking about. Prime example of a Dunning Kruger Ideologue. The problem with people like her is she believes she is intelligent when she is actually dumb and brainwashed, and the hardest minds to change are the stupid people who believe they are smart.
The multiple "Yeaah we know" of the first girl were painfully condescending and showed how inherently superior she considered herself to be. It really diminished her credibility as a debater
Im a very conservative/libertarian straight white male and i never thought id ever agree with destiny on much. But im very happy to see him try and bridge the gap and call out the bs. We dont have to agree on everything and it pleases me to no end that he is showing people on the left that its possible for us to have civil discussions and coexist peacefully.
Yea, that's the biggest problem with all these people. I've even seen Ben Shapiro (who, I don't always agree with, but have a lot of respect for) make that mistake where he gets mad at people for using anecdotal evidence, but then brings up his own (especially lately)
The first girl is well-spoken, but some confuse good public speaking with good ideas. Also, Destiny makes a good point about whether we as a society should want people like Bret Weinstein to talk about topics as controversial as race over those like Nick Fuentes. The girl doesn't attack the idea but rather lazily dismisses it: "That's a low bar." Sure lady, but his point stands that by alienating and segregating sane and articulate individuals from the cultural debate, we elevate those most radical and dogmatic. This is why the left has become so radical and orthodox, and why the right is now responding likewise. Props to Destiny, one of the few reasonable progressives left. It's unfortunate that people focus more on public speaking rather than the core ideas of the argument. The best essay is the most concise.
agreed, she's clearly got experience with a debate team or whatever judging by the terms she uses, but her arguments were bad. She asked for examples, but then dismissed it as an anecdote after agreeing with Destiny on the example showing wokeness going too far. I guess Destiny didn't catch that.
She would be rhetorically effective against Shapiro or Crowder tho. They all are well-spoken with poor ideas. Would be interesting to watch her engage.
That guy justifying murdering people who don't have the right opinions is really disgusting. He did a great job in validating your argument in a way I didn't think was possible.
@@tophatcat1173Oh I heard what he said very clearly and the actual connotations of it taken to its logical ends are terrifyingly unhinged. I'd love to hear his Twitter takes if that is what he is willing to say in public. That guy really told on himself the more he talked. He went from "It doesn't mean I'm going to cancel somebody" to "they could end up being the next Hitler so we should take care of it now with lethal force". Most charitable interpretation is that he was literally talking specifically about going back and killing Hitler. Really, really sounded like he was talking about anybody though... So some random guy on the street verbally announces he "advocates genocide", just pull out the old hand cannon and start blasting huh? The progressive way I suppose.
@@tophatcat1173Respectfully I disagree because he didn’t say that Hitler was explicitly advocating for genocide or even suggesting so, but only that he said Jewish people are bad or that he doesn’t like Jewish people.
Well I am taken aback. This video showed up in my TH-cam feed and I thought, what the hell? I can't believe I am siding with and applauding Destiny. Kudos to you for this experiment.
I am a conservative but I am a big fan of Destiny who has a logical liberal perspective to check my beliefs and challenge certain ideals. I love that he is producing this type of content, this is like a huge missing puzzle piece in the search for truth and understanding.
Anecdotes or isolated incidents mean nothing. She's literally agreeing with destiny that these were messed up situations. But that doesn't mean wokeness has gone too far. Wokeness isn't as big of a deal as you think it is. Most people aren't "woke" especially on the left. There's going to be people with extreme opinions and there's going to be shitty situations and incidents coming from that but that doesn't mean wokeism is this epidemic that needs to be stopped. But this is the narrative you're being brainwashed to believe so
She said that she doesn't agree with drawing larger conclusions about the pervasiveness of wokeness based on anecdotes. But I wonder if she would agree that white supremacy is an epidemic in the US as many liberals seem to believe? What credible national survey would she offer as empirical data that demonstrates that a vast majority of white Americans identify as white supremacists? I've yet to see that particular Gallup poll come out. I presume because it doesn't exist.
The audacity to claim that a Uni professor that got bullied, wrongfully terminated and treated with utmost disrespect actually didn´t suffer from it is mindblowing.
Typical Leftist...her argument "Look at all the money he has made off of it!". At the core of every "Progressive" is a hateful person who is full of envy. "Socialists don't care about the poor, they just hate the rich." - G. Orwell
the point was that his life is better and that's true -- he was a nobody professor before. the college payed out half a million to him and his wife and now he's a whole media personality just raking money in from touring and selling books.
@@jayce4901 Good to know. I though one ought to ask HIM if this has improved his life. But I guess you are the arbitrator of how he is feeling about it. He has witnessed to the opposite in multiple interviews, but you do what you need to, to justify illegal bullying in the name of the "message".
So because Bret Weinstein managed to turn that horrible situation into a successful situation means it's ok that he was bullied? What a bizarre place we are in these days. It's now ok to bully people in the name of social justice because they might be able to turn a bad situation into a better one. Bret doesnt try to shoehorn his story into every interview or discussion he does, its the people interviewing him that usually bring it up because it was such a terrible they did to him.
Isn't she Destiny's friend? They were together on the Whatever podcast, dating talk #75 and she got kicked off the podcast for being a troll or something.
Yep she’s a special one…. Repeatedly has shown that she doesn’t come to the table in good faith. She’s Neil Degrasse Tyson with an extra large chip on her shoulder and minus his IQ.
You are right, and I am super torn about that. Because I'm super attractive to her. She is even intelligent, not just some crazy nutter that screams none sense. But I'm sure I wouldn't be able to date her because we would disagree way to much on pretty much everything Edit. I think that she is just an actor pretending to be woke. She is way too charming for a extream woke person. (I'm obviously not meaning it literally, but you get my point. This is said with a tint of sarcasm) Still charming though.
The thing I noticed in terms of differences between the left and the right is like Destiny said, the right is far more often way more open to dialogue. Even if that is simply for the purpose of trying to prove their point or sway someone. But when you look at the left they really do tend to have the "we cant/wont talk about this/to these people". They seem to paint conservatives as lost causes and dont even welcome discourse and differing opinions in hopes of changing someones mind or winning someone over. Almost like unless you agree you are simply below a dialogue because youre just beyond "saving". Thats why wokeism has gone to far, you have a whole group of people in this country that hold themselves as such a moral superior that they think what they believe and think is above discussing or thinking about, and those who disagree are legitimately dangerous. In terms of policy there isnt much yet, but the social aspect has an effect on policy eventually. Thats how it works. How many times did our parents tell us to do or not do something and when asked why all we got was "because I said so". How much rebellion and resentment did that cause and how many of us grew up with the desire to be different and to explain our thought processes to our kids so they would understand and not hide behind the power and superiority of "well Im the parent". Sometimes you should justify yourself as a means to bring understanding.
To me it seems like the right wing sees their own beliefs primarily as logically correct, while the left sees their own beliefs as morally correct. This doesn't mean that rightwingers are automatically logical or leftwingers moral, but the right being open to debates means that they believe that if they make a convincing enough argument, people will change their minds. While among the left it is more common to assume the disagreements to stem from the moral failings of the opposition, so convincing them with arguments seem pointless to them, as there is fundamentally something wrong with those who disagree. Like trying to explain to a serial killer that murder is bad.
@@MidWitPride I can definitely see that. And I do agree that neither is guaranteed to be the very thing they see themselves as. And I do think that rightwingers should not look for dialogue for the sole reason of changing minds, but be willing to change their mind or simply have to discussion for discussions sake. But I will take any willingness to hear each other out over turning noses up and acting like the opposition is below saving or not worth engaging with. All that does is foster more hatred and build more walls. Rightwingers thinking the left isn’t logical and can potentially be reasoned with is a far healthier starting point than the left just labeling conservatives as immoral monsters. I at least see a lot of wanting to meet somewhere in the middle on the right, not so much on the left.
The corrupt right wing Supreme Court and the entire white Christian power structure would contradict your assertion. Right wingers want to have discussions because they want to rehash topics that have long been settled. It's no coincidence that neo Nazis, flat earth, creationism, militant Christian nationalism, QAnon are a idea movements that have gained ground over the past decade. The right doesn't want good faith debate. It wants to undermine progress and roll back advances made over the past fifty or more years. Roe is just one of many progressive wins that dark money and organizations such as The Heritage Foundation have destroyed by flooding the social media space with bad faith arguments and BS "debates". Sorry Candace, I don't need to debate the pros and cons of the Nazis to know that they were horrible. No debate needed. I think Bret and Heather Heying are total conspiratorial lunatics in their recent incarnation in podcasts where they have hushed discussions and spew the most absurd garbage on mundane topics.
When she wants YOU to do exactly as she says, it's "just listen to us because we're morally superior". When Destiny shows her problems with her "morally superior behavior" it's "show me the data about how my religion has harmed others".
The first girl.. her tone and self-righteousness demeanour is what’s wrong. Right away she is trying to frame her argument without really listening. The girl believes she is going to educate someone as if talking to a toddler. People like her are not worth having a discussion since they make an investment on the subject based on feelings. They have decided right away that they are right, regardless of any evidence. If all fails on their end.. then they point out that there is a ‘higher truth’. I have had plenty of discussions with the likes of her… then after all the snotty high morality postering, their true face shows when they go to insults and toddler behaviour. Cognitive dissonance is strong.
She kept saying "no he can talk about race I just think it's interesting to explore the implications of him bringing that up at that moment" but that's so disingenuous bc they weren't "exploring the idea", they were screaming and protesting outside of his classroom and calling for him to be fired 😂
I'm a 53-year-old Black male professional who that came from a single parent low-income family who struggled to get where I'm at and for the life I can't figure out how these kids somehow became an authority on who gets to speak, for the people.
I think it comes from an attempt at moral superiority without a principled guiding moral compass. More plainly stated, Christianity in its teachings is tolerant and that absence of pressure allows for people without an agreed upon moral baseline to create and morph their baseline and use their standards for morality as a bludgeoning tool.
@@quinlanz92 They could learn a lot if they had ears to hear and eyes to see. King James Version 5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience
@@quinlanz92 Christianity is not tolerant. Numbers 31:17-18. Read the bible. "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." You are magically getting your morals from somewhere else than what is found in the "good/bad" book.
The first lady totally makes his point. The moment he started challenging her views, she became antagonistic, kept interrupting him, probably only heard like 50% of what he said, and pulled a purity test by questioning if he's a progressive himself. So aggravating.
She starts by saying I have a problem even having this conversation. Yet she doesn’t understand how wokeness has gone to far. These people don’t understand irony
These conversations are wildly better than many of the insane chronically online people that you usually have on. These are some very intelligent discussions. Do this again please!
The convo was fun, but in no way is that first girl doing anything but trying to dunk while doing the exact things she attacked destiny for. Second guy wasn't too bad.
@@jusscocro772 She might have been trying to dunk but a lot of those dunks were successful. A random girl off the street was able to hold her own against one of the most seasoned debaters on TH-cam. Granted he was holding back, but give this girl a channel and a few months practice and she'd be better than most of the dudes in the debate-o-sphere
She asked for examples. Destiny gave examples. She then pivoted and started describing the examples as anecdotes that aren't "data" that reflects broader social trends. That wasn't what the argument was about. Nevertheless, just because there isn't a study or scientific data regarding a phenomenon, that doesn't mean a phenomenon doesn't exist when examples or "anecdotes" are provided that clearly demonstrate the reality of said phenomenon.
I 100% do NOT agree with many, and maybe even most of Destiny's views, but I respect him A LOT. His ability and willingness to have a productive debate is something we need more of nowadays. I think he engages people with opposing viewpoints earnestly and that's really refreshing. Bring back the ability to disagree with others without being labeled as "hateful."
@extremely wise tree Considering just how UNcommon courtesy and civil discourse has become, yes, I believe it's worthy of praise when we see it. I'm glad I'm on the way downhill, and won't be around for the type of future that we seem to be moving ever closer to.
I've never seen this clip before but when that bitch basically waved off what happened to Brett and said it's old news time to move on, I was infuriated
@@soph1645 he was free in the past and then things changed. It's not a hard concept. You can't negate an event happening because it didn't happen previously until it did.
Brings up an example that sheds light on the horrible things extremists are doing on their side. Student 1: "Yeah I'm not even going to discuss that or whatever" Student 2: "I think it's best if we don't give that too much attention." There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
@@dm_1236 She asked for an example then said "I don't like anecdotes, and thats only one example, give me more!" so he does give her more and she denies it's legitimacy by just calling them anecdotes. Oh, so you call his stats made up? I doubt you're going to back that up at all. The evergreen example was perfect. Listen to her stumble over why she is against Bret Weinstein. She is creating conspiracies' to excuse why she can call him a deplorable. So pathetic
@@dm_1236 It's a common debate tactic by lefties to keep asking the other person "Why?" and constantly asking the other person to defend themselves because they can't defend their own positions. They also constantly reinterpret what the other person says based on their perception of conservatives which she does over and over here.
@@LazyEyePolitics it wasn’t an anecdote, that’s my point *champ.* It was a real world example, not some unverifiable story about your cousin’s girlfriend’s boss’s neighbor’s social worker.
@@yvonnelee4385 One real world example is an anecdote there buddy, just because it is verifiable it is still an anecdote. A strong example would be - women are better drivers because statistics say that women get in less crashes per capita then men. The fact you think a story is not an anecdote because it is verifiable shows you dont know what you are talking about.
Aye yay yay, my new store is right across the street from this mess. FML! 9:58 she asked for an example, got an example, then said she needs data not anecdotes. What the f...... 11:37 2020. 13:36 destiny did good there. 18:27 she used an anecdote after going on a rant about how we need to be using big data and citations when discussing cultural issues 24:50 most depressing part of this entire thing. If you're not getting laws passed, then what you're doing is pointless? This is so childish and naive. Would a company like framework even be able to sell a computer when the specs are lower and the price is higher than competing brands, if people were not made culturally aware of why right to repair is important over the past 10 years? Further, does she not understand that law is downstream from culture? You do not have to get a law passed to have an impact. People behave not just based on what is written in a law book, but from what is in their own mind and ingrained into their culture. If you want to make a difference, you don't start with a law. You start with people's minds, and the culture. She makes the idea of cultural change in a positive direction sound pointless while simultaneously managing to be as condescending as possible about the fact that he discusses these issues on TH-cam as if this is a win. I hope this woman never embarks on a journey to change the world with that attitude.
Geez, that was a little intense. People can change their viewpoints on things, and I think saying someone is doomed to fail in the future is a but over the top.
@@driftxp4 as long as somebody genuinely believes that there is no point to any cultural change or influence if they are not able to get a law passed, they're putting the cart before the horse. I don't think she actually believes that though. I think she wanted to get a cheap one up on destiny, while condescending him for being a youtuber. Which is already in poor taste, because he was saying that as a self-deprecating peace offering in the conversation. Anytime you are being overly self-deprecating and somebody actually fully agrees with you, they're being an asshole I don't think she believes what she said. However, if she actually does believe that, she's screwed
Wokeism is going to be the end of them if they don't figure out how to detach from it and actually converse with opposing views. That second guy really demonstrated the mindset with "We should be able to murder people who have bad ideas." Tell me again how you're the opposite of an actual Nazi?? Seriously.
My first time watching anything Destiny. This is how you communicate ideas. Challenging these points of view from your own side is very interesting. Censoring is not the way.
"They are just anecdotes unless they support my view, and once we find one anecdote that fits our agenda, that will become the established science that cannot be questioned and must be trusted" is basically what I got from first girl
She said about 3 or 4 things I noticed, Freudian slips, that completely gave away her inherent narcissism. Of course she doesn't believe wokeism has run amok. She is apart of the amok.
It's crazy to me how someone could look at the Evergreen story and see anything but the most abhorrent behavior by those students. It must take some serious mental reality bending to see it otherwise.
She try’s a gottchya, he proves his point, she moves the goal posts, she try’s a gottchya, he proves his point, she moves the goal posts, and repeat, absolutely crazy the lack of self awareness this woman has
Why did he decide to give that particular lecture at that particular moment. When you consider that most of the time, there's a program of teaching and generally someone goes with the program which has like structure and lectures are given one after the other. It isn't so much that he choose to talk in specific about that very specific issue at that very moment, as much as it was part of his university program/lessons he would teach. So he actually would have to go out of his way to change his program in accordance to this event.
First converdation was a phenomenal discussion between a moderate and someone with an agenda. We don't need to cancel wokeness. We need more moderates and fewer far lefters and far righters. The more we agree and tolerate, the less all parties feel threatened or overwhelmed, the more regulated our social structures become. Wokeness is a symptom, not the disease.
"Why was Andrew Tate banned from all social media platforms at the same time? Conspiracy!?!?" Andrew Tate's content violated the terms of agreement on all social media platforms. Not only that, but almost none of his content failed to violate the terms of agree of each social media platform. Not only that, but all of Tate's content exploded in popularity, was at the forefront of conversation, and was highlighted by the general public making it content that all humans in content mediation positions in had it at the top of their list. Andrew Tate getting banned from the internet isn't a controversial thing. For right wingers just use Tate as an opportunity to say that the leftists are out of control with cancel culture. Braindead agenda pushing. It's weird that Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate are being used in the same conversation. They are completely different people with completely different viewpoints. Leftists hate Jordan Peterson, and his college campus gave him the boot, but he hasn't been silenced. Twitter banned him because they were a bunch of leftist activists, but that was Twitter, not the internet. Tate was banned because he was a piece of shit and violated terms and conditions with misogyny in almost all of his content.
Second guy really doesn’t understand that “hate” is subjective. A lot of women think a man that is pro life “hates women”. So by his theory she should shoot the man. It’s very complicated
As an old guy (39 years old) who was a teenager in the 90's, the words coming out of the mouths of these kids is absolutely astounding. I mean, I've certainly heard them online endlessly for about the last 6 years or so, but to hear them say it with their own mouths so confidently is amazing. Never before now would you have heard young people commonly suggesting that other people "shouldn't be allowed to talk," especially progressives. In the 90's, it was progressives who held the position that freedom of speech is sacred, because so many religious conservatives were censoring swearing, sexual speech, satanic games, public immodesty, etc.
Did those christian nuts ban stuff by just asking companies to stop selling stuff or did they petition the government to ban things christians didn’t like by law? Seems people forgot the distinction between government censorship and just freedom of speech. If the government bans you from listening to certain music that is wrong. If people just express their opinion about a certain type of music you are not a little victim of “cancel culture” because you can’t stand to hear people criticizing a genre of music.
Please, people have been saying that universities have been enforcing political correctness, which is really just the old version of wokeness, since the 80s. There's an episode of Murphy Brown that touches on this topic. Murphy. Brown. Also, I'm of your generation and weren't we known for calling each other the f-slur in person and the n-word online?
You could even see it in the music of the 90's the chart topper songs were all over the place, grunge, alternative, R&B, Hip Hop, Rock, Ska. I'm around the same age as you and I was talking to a uni student neighbour of mine about cancel culture in a chill manner and they started to get agitated. The topic and my stance on without further elaboration had them feeling some type of way. Was very interesting and eye opening.
@@BobardeZanzibar I’m also of you guys’ generation and I disagree with what you’re saying. The original comment used the broad paintbrush of society and you said university. Most ppl weren’t in university. And the f and n word being used everywhere online kinda proves his point.
Why are you accepting the asinine and divisive framing of "progressives" vs "conservatives"? Progress and conservation are not static points, they're multi-directional spectrums upon which we all hold a plethora of constantly evolving and adapting positions, to different extremes and with multiple variables impacting those positions. Just as useless are the labels "left" and "right", which are used near-universally as moral judgements and litmus tests rather than reasonable descriptions of anything real. The very language we use is being used to program our thinking, and it's making chumps of all of us. Our focus should instead be on "liberty" vs "authority", on principles which stand unchallenged wherever you happen to lie on the political spectrum. Buying into the divisive identitarian bullshit will enslave us all.
"Give me an example" [gives example] "That's just an anecdote!" ... Examples are anecdotes. Conveniently calls it an anecdote to dismiss it. The fact is you can't just refer to data all the time, you would preclude yourself from debating a whole range of topics for which there is no data. There is no dataset that is going to prove or disprove whether wokeism has gone too far.
He has become alot more reasonable than he used to be. He used to be like that 2nd guy who thought violence against people you disagree with was okay, but as the years have gone on I think he has become wiser and realizes that him and the ideology in general keeps getting more and more extreme. He still has pretty progressive policies but he is not part of the "everything i don't like is violence" crowd anymore.
He really doesn't. He's arguing with people who he has better ideas than so he can talk with them to try to get them to his position. Watch him talk to someone who he doesn't have bad ideas with. That patience runs out awfully quick.
First girl is like, "right-leaning professors shouldn't be allowed to speak" and also, "why are there no university studies about how right-leaning discourse gets banned at universities?"
Not "right leaning discourse, all discourse involving "free thought." This issue has nothing to do with the right or the left. it is an issue about free thought and freedom of speech. Both of which are essential to wisdom and have no political affiliations.
@cvr527 I'm sure all the universities would say that's what they are committed to. The problem isn't policy. It's culture. It's the leadership of these Universities caving to pressure that a speaker that wants to say that doing irreversable gender conforming surgery on prepubecent childern with developing brains violates the Hippocratic oath crosses the line of civil discourse into hate speech, but a speaker talking about Queering kids is civil discourse worthy of consideration. The problem in a nutshell is that where to put that line being bent by political considerations. That's how law works. In the US, many landmark decisions are made 4-3 along strict party lines. Lower courts are the same way. The law says what it says in every courtroom, but what it means in practice is going to vary from judge to judge. Honestly, the Left's political capture of universities is just as brilliant and significant as the Republican RedMap campaign last decade. And it may have longer-term effects.
@@grantstratton2239 It is clear that you do not understand the nature, or insidiousness of what marxism really is. It isnt a matter of the leadership caving to pressure. The leadership is pushing their political religion from the top down. In direct conjunction with trusted faculty members.
I dont think any of these people understand cultural marxism is the problem. Ive gone on many of these videos and people dont get that this is what is affecting the colleges and messing society up. Radical feminism, LGBT agenda, BLM and Antifah, they honestly dont get it. They are all marxist without understanding how dangerous it is and its true purpose.
@@cvr527 Correct. All these college students didn't just show up to Orientation and say "ok, we're running things now!". They've been groomed for years at these institutions by the top down culture, Marxist curricula, and radicalist professors. Now they're being primed in grade school into this religious dogma, because the capture is so extensive Marxists feel there's no longer any need to hide the transhumanist programming.
First women... "Can you give me an example of wokeness run amok, that if it was to become a broader social trend it would be problematic".... Destiny provides multiple examples, she responds "Do you have something other than antidotes. " .... literally what she asked for...... We are doomed
She sat there and methodically made every point about wokeness going to far, and essentially her grand fallback is "it's not everywhere affecting everyone yet, um, so like, um, it's just anecdotes".
I got to that point and had to drunkenly walk off to yell about how the evidence she would trust is just a collection of anecdotes. Thanks for phrasing it better.
If a man, holding a belief which he was taught in childhood or persuaded of afterwards, keeps down and pushes away any doubts which arise about it in his mind, purposely avoids the reading of books and the company of men that call into question or discuss it, and regards as impious those questions which cannot easily be asked without disturbing it -the life of that man is one long sin againstmankind.
@@ramireini So, in this rare case where this does happen we're allowed to threaten them into changing their views? And who is able to make the judgement that this is the case? It's a very idealistic view, but unless we have someone who is truly omnipotent we can't possibly know that it is the case.
@@jas2765 I don't want to threaten anyone, that's not how good change is made. I want to make myself better and pull people up with me, I want to make the world a better place by making myself better.
One of many attempts she makes to disqualify and dismiss details inconvenient to her preferred narrative. She really needs to brush up on logic and how it applies to evaluation of issues and debate.
Second comment on this video... 👏👏👏Well done Destiny. You did a great job of articulating the argument for open discussion. So many that you talked to are more of thought that "the end justifies the means". That's a dangerous place to be.
Destiny sees that people cant cross the aisle to talk about these topics, so he does it instead. I think thats brilliant and the most genuine show of his character.
@@jovanleon7 I dont think Crowder gets the same kinds of conversations because he is conservative. Sure he gets enough footage for a video, but is he making any real change in how these kids think? Destiny on the other hand leans left, which means the confrontations and conversations are a lot less charged (even if he is still controversial to some on his side)
I like it when someone forces an anecdote by specifically requesting a single real life example and follows it with anecdotes are not data. I will use this strategy whenever I won't have any good arguments but want to feel like I am saying anything.
There is an upgraded version of the strategy where you do it both ways I.e when you give data they say but that doesn't translate to actual real life experience
I disagree with the framing that she "forced" an anecdote. It was a fair to ask for one - What was Destiny going to bring to the argument if not anecdotes? He made a claim, then he was going to back it up with either data or anecdotes. He didnt have data. So she asked for the anecdote, and after hearing it, was unconvinced. I found her to be rather effective rhetorically, she was able to successfully cast doubt on Destiny's premise.
It is called gas lighting. That girl did it constantly and you don't get that comfortable at doing it without a ton of experience and zero empathy for others because doing that makes most people feel bad.
@@testcase6997 that isn't even close to the same level as the example given and you know of many more (so did she) from the news and other sources or you wouldn't be watching this video. She asked for an example, got one and then berated destiny for giving her what she asked for. That is gas lighting. You are doing the same here. I hope you dont do this often it shows a distinct lack of empathy and respect for others and is usually a huge red flag.
The second student is the exact reason why we’re in the situation we’re in politically in this country. So much passion, yet such little awareness and knowledge.
I’m rarely impressed but right now is a strong exception to that… Although I thoroughly enjoyed Destinys last debate with Ben Shapiro, I’ve never been a fan of Destiny. The fact that Destiny realizes how out of hand the Progressives have gotten and took the initiative to try to reason some sense into his own side greatly impressed me. Kudos, Destiny.
As someone who preferred "rightwing" people on TH-cam, Steven is genuinely helping me be able to associate with the left more. He has a lot of principles like the marketplace of ideas that is propped up mostly by righties but he actually gives it justice. Even if I disagree with him, if he has a convincing view I try to either accept it or admit lack of knowledge. Maybe im the odd one out or sth. (My Discords call me a re#$%& for being a DGG Viewer), but Destiny has had a immensly positive influence to me personally. Thank you Steven.
Side Note, by "rightwing" I don't mean conservative right views per se, just the online community perceived as such, hence the quotation marks. People like SFO, Adam&Sitch, and to some extend Tim Pool or Crowder. Sure my bar was low, but it felt like I had no other choice. Most "lefties" I knew were extremely hostile to self-proclaimed "obvious wrongs".
@@Rudi361 Tim pool would be considered a centrist by most right wingers. Most honest right wingers would oppose equality between the sexed if given the choice with no public outrage.
And they have also not read their history. If you shoot an extremist giving a speech, you don't silence them, you make them a martyr. And the political group that silences the opposition by any means including violence is by definition tyranical. They're not really teaching anything other than gender and modern society activism these days it seems. Like I knew all this from highschool not college or uni. Imagine that.
Exactly! And the idea of good people silencing bad people is brought up multiple times. Always from the arrogant moral stance that I'd make the right call, but the danger is always there that the wrong person would be making the call.
The real problem started when white society decided to hijack the term woke ( black slang invented during fight for equality in the early 1900s) and bastardized and politicized it for their own political agendas... The original meaning has been whitewashed like most idioms invented by People from the african diaspora.
I specifically remember clips of Bret saying to the crowd “I’m an expert on evobio, I know why racism is wrong and I can debunk racist evolution arguments, let me show you”. For the girl to class it as it would be a lecture on “why blacks are inferior” is super underhanded.
If I say that I don't accept the premise that God exists, then why would I want to engage with you in a conversation that has God as a premise? This is like a Christian understanding the atheist argument to be "you believe in God, you just don't like him".
She "knew" he was a racist and didn't care about anything that countered that. She always assumed Bret was motived by it or was always operating in bad faith.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 An *evolutionary biologist faced backlash for discussing evolutionary biology in relation to race, raising questions about the limits of free speech on campus.* 01:10 The *conversation revolves around whether "wokeness" has gone too far, with concerns about ideological orthodoxy stifling open debate.* 01:38 Progressives *are criticized for using the Paradox of Tolerance to suppress dissenting opinions, potentially limiting discourse and democracy.* 02:34 An *example is cited with Brett Weinstein facing backlash at Evergreen College for expressing disagreement with a proposed event excluding white people.* 04:58 Disagreement *arises over whether Brett Weinstein's offer to discuss "Race realism" was appropriate or if it went too far.* 07:20 The *discussion delves into the balance between free speech and sensitivity in academic environments.* 11:08 Anecdotes *are presented, like a study on puberty blockers, raising concerns about selective promotion of scientific literature to fit social agendas.* 12:06 The *debate extends to whether wokeness has translated into meaningful policies, with skepticism about its impact at the legislative level.* 13:19 A *discussion about the ideological imbalance in academia and potential suppression of diverse perspectives on college campuses.* 15:10 Concerns *are raised about the enforcement of ideological conformity on college campuses, limiting the diversity of thought and stifling uncomfortable discussions.* 15:53 The *discussion revolves around the challenges of refusing to platform certain ideas, citing Kamala Harris's call to ban Trump from Twitter in 2019.* 16:07 The *conversation shifts to the ideological changes in figures like Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, and the broader trend of cancel culture.* 16:48 The *difficulty of quantifying "wokeness" and the lack of empirical evidence for societal trends are discussed.* 17:15 An *argument is made that there is a growing number of complaints about non-conformity with progressive orthodoxy in academic settings.* 18:12 Tools *like appeals, HR, and the legal system are seen as available avenues to address cancel culture incidents.* 20:34 The *debate touches on the influence of social media, with a claim that it increasingly represents the views of the average American.* 21:45 Disagreement *arises over whether social media accurately reflects the opinions of average Americans.* 23:14 The *conversation suggests introducing antitrust measures as a potential solution to address perceived issues with wokeness and cancel culture.* 25:07 The *conversation takes a turn towards cultural influence, with a focus on the role of social pressure rather than government intervention.* 25:39 The *discussion delves into perspectives on cancel culture and the distinction between legitimate criticism and stifling free speech.* 26:22 The *interviewee expresses concerns about the spread of hateful ideologies and supports silencing those who engage in such rhetoric.* 27:45 The *speaker argues that canceling individuals who spread divisive views is justified, especially if they're not open to constructive dialogue.* 31:58 The *conversation explores the dynamics of online spaces and how the willingness to engage in dialogue affects ideological influence.* 32:54 Observations *on the differences between men and women can lead to conservative views, but progressives also vary on this issue, especially in the context of transgender discussions.* 33:23 Progressive *arguments sometimes involve nuanced perspectives, such as considering the effects of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) on gender identity. However, such discussions often involve a minority of the population (less than one percent).* 33:49 Conservatives *may choose lightning rod issues, while progressives might struggle by defending extreme positions, contributing to a cycle of anger and misunderstanding.* 34:18 Progressives *express justifiable anger, arguing that historical conservative rhetoric has fueled their reactions. However, the challenge is to engage in productive dialogue rather than resorting to extreme positions.* 35:00 Responding *to hate with hate is counterproductive; a more effective approach involves engaging with ideas and avoiding extreme reactions that may alienate public support.* 35:28 While *expressing anger may be justified in some instances, it is essential to find a balance and not escalate conflicts further.* 36:09 The *conversation shifts to the effectiveness of progressive movements. Despite agreement on many progressive policies, concerns arise about a potential snapback due to an unwillingness to engage with opposing views.* 37:34 Progressive *movements historically face conservative criticism, but the suggestion is to focus more on discussing the issues rather than asking movements to "chill out."* 38:44 The *conversation turns to the role of colleges in facilitating challenging conversations. While challenges are essential, the concern is that without effective responses, ideas can spread unchecked.* 39:55 The *importance of unequivocally disavowing violence in movements like BLM is highlighted, as defending such actions can be detrimental to the overall message.* 41:33 The *discussion extends to the power of ideas, emphasizing the need to confront and challenge them rather than opting for censorship.* 47:14 The *conversation debates whether giving a platform to certain ideas, even controversial ones, allows for democratic discourse or poses risks that need addressing.* 49:19 Trust *in the democratic process is at risk without engaging citizens in informed conversations about voting decisions.* 49:47 While *acknowledging some unjust cancellations, the speaker sees significant progress in social issues due to the woke movement, citing advancements like the acceptance of gay marriage.* 50:26 The *debate revolves around whether wokeness has gone too far, with one side arguing for substantial progress in a short time and the other expressing concerns about rigid social enforcement.* 51:36 The *discussion delves into the ethical and practical aspects of de-platforming individuals like Andrew Tate, questioning the effectiveness and potential shortcomings of such actions.* 53:31 A *comparison is drawn between conservative and progressive approaches to societal issues, emphasizing the need for nuanced perspectives rather than one-dimensional solutions.* 54:54 The *focus shifts to the mechanisms of social media and the potential for another figure like Andrew Tate to emerge if underlying issues are not addressed, pointing to the role of platforms in amplifying certain ideas.* 56:49 Concerns *are raised about the rapid growth and dissemination of certain ideologies, highlighting the importance of addressing the volume and presence of these ideas, especially among younger demographics.* 58:41 The *conversation explores the troubling nature of banning individuals based on interpretations of progressive orthodoxy, pointing out the lack of transparency in decision-making by social media platforms.* Made with HARPA AI
@@American_Trucker Thanks! I've seen a few of Steven Crowder "Change My Mind" events. I think he said he wouldn't be doing anymore. I think he said that, don't quote me on it.
“He was going to talk about how white genes are superior” *he can’t do that. “You don’t know that, what if he explained how black genes are superior?” “Well then we would have missed out on an excellent lecture” With a f’n smile on her face
It's amazing how much hatred they have instilled into young peoples minds, by making their hatred having the mask of love and inclusiveness. They can't even see their own face.
I found it weird that there was such a large amount of controvertible beliefs that they just assumed were self-evident and indubitable. It seems their self-righteousness has formed into a psychosis.
I don’t think it’s hatred. I think it may go too far at times, but it’s not from a place of hate. I think it’s from a place of trying to protect others from being offended. It’s overprotective and goes too far but that’s where they are coming from. If you were a Christian would you be comfortable with a group in your college that was anti Christian that made speeches about religious belief being pathological and kids being indoctrinated is child abuse and that religious parents shouldn’t be allowed to have children, etc?
The first student is the epitome of the meme: -X isn't happening -OK X is happening a little -X is happening, but it's actually a good thing -Anyone who suggests limitations on X should be deplatformed
@@cagneybillingsley2165 uhh not ripping off I don't think he claimed to have come up with change my mind. But ya he is becoming conservative because he's finally growing a brain lmao
As a moderate that borders conservative. I was recently exposed to Destiny through Lex Fridman. I must say i like some of his suggestions when it comes to educational institutions.
There were so many people that walked up and had barely any disagreements and/or were straight up fans just trying to talk with Stephen. LOVE that August clipped together and LED with the most combative/challenging discussion.
This shit is so frustrating. These people are always goalpostshifting. First they say it's not happening. Then they say it's happening, but not enough to worry about. Then they say it's happening on a larger scale, but it's actually a good thing.
Yep, it's a game of finding whichever argument allows them to paint wokeness in a favourable light. They don't argue from first principles, or some set of strong values they hold, they argue from the assumption that what they're doing is good--and with that box ticked, they can argue in favour of just about any draconian tactics. I feel a lot of these people have a low resolution idea of what 'good' is and what it means to be a 'good person', and that is why they espouse the views they do, because they want to be a positive force/a good person, without ever really interrogating the ideals and narratives they are pushing, or what the implications are of the authoritarian methods that progressives are generally gravitating towards. It is very frustrating, but it is instilled dogmatically from a young age and I'm not sure what the antidote is.
@@VeritableSmorgasbord Yep but the place where 'human nature' enters in, isn't the whole part of the argument I'm making. The reason those elements of human nature are so pertinent to my argument is that the side of 'wokeism' is developing an unprecedented ignorance to these fallibilities. Since the culture they are promoting is so much more dogmatic, authoritarian, quasi-religious, rigid etc., it promotes a culture that doesn't allow space to recognise any possibility of being wrong (see: shut down of dissenting opinions, the need to control discourse, cancelling etc). It promotes a feeling that the cause they support is inherently good and therefore measures taken against the apostates are also good and justifiable. (Tying into this is a dehumanization of the other side to justify otherwise amoral ways of treating people.) It completely goes against the underlying humility which lies at the bedrock of democracy and liberalism which both include a tolerance for a diverse set of views and the ability to challenge and be challenged. Once you think in these binaries of good vs evil, without any recognition of the complexity of the human condition or further still how a tolerant/harmonious society functions, then you are on a very bad trajectory. I wouldn't think I was going out on a limb at all to say that much of that which I am describing is happening within in the progressive movement at far higher rates than any other significant political denomination you can think of. In fact, a whole generation is being encouraged and even taught to act in this way.
I've experienced this too but with the great replacement theory. There's statistical data proving that it's a demographic certainty with current trends but they still deny it, once I put forward basic numbers they say "oh it's too slow to actually happen" I get into numbers in detail showing how it can happen in just 3 generations and they say "oh well maybe these trends will change" then I get into how it's just gonna get faster and they go "ok, why do you care? Racist" and it's so frustrating.
The irony behind these kids saying wokeism hasn’t gone far enough when they’re literally advocating for blocking speakers they disagree with, is mind blowing
Their opinions comes from standpoint theory, while the rest of the worlds opinions come from comparative accepted standards. In standpoint theory it's the point of view of the person that takes precedent over all others. So if someone feels that something could be considered offensive in one context, then it IS offensive in all contexts. For example, the term "mankind." On a more comparative standard, ppl accept things may be offensive in some contexts, that doesn't mean they should be considered offensive in all contexts. So comparative standards has actual limits to its self for when some thing is a thing and when it's not, but stand point theory has no such restrictions.
It’s a problem that these people are so sure that they are right and are doing the right thing that they think that any criticism of there views is hatful and shouldn’t even be considered because in there mind they know that they are doing the right thing for the right reasons so anything else to them that doesn’t coincide with what they believe is wrong and therefore shouldn’t even be engaged with. It’s a perspective that is very damaging yet they can’t see it because in there head everything there saying is morally correct.
Exactly…KIDS. They are kids. One moment of their life, one second, and hopefully being educated means they are self aware and will develop more nuanced outlooks as they mature. Regardless of political affiliation, I’d argue a well educated person who goes out and engages with the world has a better chance of maturing than one who does not.
I mean there's bound to be people like that but this doesn't mean wokeism has gone too far. Wokeism shouldn't even be a word. It's just a buzzword. People with opinions like that make up a very small percentage of progressives or even the left in general. The left is already diverse with their opinions compared to the right (who tend to think a lot more similarly). Im getting really tired of this narrative that wokeness is such an epidemic
I'm a paleo conservative libertarian, and I just find it frustrating how Destiny's always there to debate the most fringe freaks and somehow doesn't debate reasonable conservative leaning TH-camrs like Rattlesnake TV, Think Before You Sleep, Amala from Prager U... I'm pretty sure those people would have no problem debating him, but no, he always finds these fringe no names that ACTUALLY hate the immigrants and gays and passes them as representative of the conservative opinion. I think the fact that people like us 2 are watching his videos and then there's absolutely 0 leftists commenting on Ben Shapiro (even though here they are all very quick to say he's "low standard") or Dave Rubin or whatever proves that we on the right are actually far more reasonable and open to debate.
@@matiyev I agree with this. I like how destiny mentioned that conservatives are looking for "lightning rod" issues, yet he himself tends to debate "lightning rod" personalities and topics.
Being well spoken doesn't inherently mean you're intelligent. At least he can communicate like an adult, unlike the overwhelmingly vast majority of liberal minded people.
As a conservative I truly respect your move of going out there and presenting this view to progressives and challenge them to consider their take on it- you’re by far the most sane person and tempered in your opinions on talking about these things which I find is sorely lacking in campuses and you’re one of the people that actually thinks things through so even if I disagree with a lot of your takes it’s refreshing to hear them
The first conversation proves Destiny's whole point. The Professor, who is an expert in the subject at hand, offers to have an informed and educational discussion within his specific field. Before he even voices his expertise or opinion, she assumed he was going to go straight to fernology/Hyper racist race-realism. for no reason. And viewed that as reason enough to cancel him. Like bruh please reboot your brain
This is my biggest problem with this type of person. They automatically assume the very worst of everyone, especially if they deem that person to be "on the other side". I highly, HIGHLY doubt Weinstein was about to get up there and be like "Well actually, black people are inferior because..." The guy was a tenured professor at very progressive school. At least give him SOME benefit of the doubt first. Jeez. The negative mindsets of these people is what I can't stand.
@@soilent9618 i doubt it too, but what other implication is there of responding to your workplace’s racial sensitivity exercise with a proposal to discuss “race and evolutionary biology?” of fucking course people would be sussed out by that lmfao.
@@deep_and_profound_topics Even when someone is sus, at least let them clarify themselves first and let them do the thing to see whether your suspicions were right, nothing terrible would come out of that, worst case scenario they ll just publicly expose their prejudices.
The first girl has done nothing to share her point literally all she did was put words in destiny’s mouth and then never shared her own opinion but every time destiny brings up a point she questions the shit out of him. Like damn lady this is a debate not gaslighting contest.
She does explain right at the outset that it’s Destiny that made the positive/active claim, therefore the burden of proof is on him. I think she’s pretty terrible but that is the reason why the discussion is the way it is
@@jamesharper5850 No tenured philosopher would agree that /only/ positive claims require substantiation. The fact is that ALL claims (positive or negative) assume the same burden of proof. He claims (X), he has assumed a burden of proof. She claims (not-X), she has assumed a burden of proof. The belief that "only positive claims assume a burden of proof" is remarkable evidence of the lack of basic philosophical grounding among youth today.
She explained at the beggining that she was not going to make any sort of positive arguments, she then proceeded to dismiss Destiny's examples as "anecdotes" (very funny coming from the side that is all about "lived experience" in academia) and problematize Destiny's questioning as some sort of dangerous thing. She did not provide any opinions of her own, nor will she be able to. She has Critical Consciousness (i.e wokeness)
You mean like when Destiny claimed she said the professor shouldn't be allowed to lecture at all, when she didn't say that? You clearly have bias in your ears.
A lot of people are, just look at most people on the left. Theyre too scared to think for themselves bc they'll be given every bad label under the books.
@@kaleb51 Evolutionary biology is race realism? Brett made it clear that he disagrees with race realist assertions. The fact that she thinks he would talk in support is telling tbh.
Wow, the first student is absolutely insufferable. Condescending to Destiny in a way he is not to her, and making broad assumptions about the motives of the Evergreen professor and what he would or wouldn't have said given his educational expertise. And acting like Evolutionary Biology is somehow in the same realm as Phrenology. Just ouch.
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Looks like youre going to post the highlight reel of selected talks instead of the full thing. That's fine but it would be nice if you unprivated the vod for those that want to catch all the convos
@@shahriarrahman9907 NO
@@shahriarrahman9907 did you not click the link in the comment you’re responding to?
This Low IQ SoyFest should have been who can say "Like" "Like" "Like" more.
I was at Evergreen for my first quarter winter 2017 - saw it all firsthand. It wasn't just social pressure, my class docked credit if you didn't go. It was just a cringe workshop, but still... happy to spill some more detailed firsthand info for clarity over voice at your discretion sometime.
All in all it was way more lame and cringe than the rightoids tried to claim, and way more awful and problematic than the leftoids are prepared to admit.
Wokeism went too far when Destiny stopped being a woman’s name.
Don’t worry. It still is.
Wokeism hasn't gone too far, it still needs to go so far as to call Biological woman fake and Trans women real women.
i was about to say that
Destiny is not a common woman's name. It's a stripper's name.
Praise be upon her
the first girl criticizing the professor and essentially framing him as a racist for wanting to have a discussion of race through the lens of his scientific field and not through a lens of social justice is peak wokeism
bUt ShE's HoT tHoUgH
she has a point, why is he bringing evolutionary race biology into something that was planned to address societal problems. Especially at that time.
@@kaleb51 how do you know that he wasnt going to speak about the bad effects or the misconstrued "science" of the past and compare it to what we know now. You realize we can have these convos and not be racist. We can have these convos that discuss why past understandings are wrong. Why is that a crazy thing to think?
@@kaleb51 he debunks race realism
She is not wrong.
All these students saying “the other side shouldn’t be allowed to talk” and then arguing wokeism hasn’t gone to far is HILARIOUS
Yeah all destiny had to do was put them in front of a camera and the question answers itself.
No, it isn't hilarious, it's frightening.
Except that they LITERALLY said that these people should be allowed to talk, but that doesn't mean they're not allowed to criticize the things they say. It's kinda silly that the only way you can disagree with these people is by pretending they've said something when they literally said the exact opposite of that thing. They aren't saying that people aren't allowed to say certain things, they're saying that they disagree with the things those people are saying. Disagreeing with and criticizing somebody isn't the same thing as saying they "shouldn't be allowed to talk." Destiny disagrees with and criticizes people all the time -- does this mean that Destiny has also gone too far? If you actually paid attention to the video, you'd see these people affirming repeatedly that they DO think these people should be allowed to talk, but that there are generally social repurcussions as well as ideological responses when you say things that people disagree with.
@@shaggytheshaman And Destiny is saying those repercussions should not be the loss of job or their silencing in the college setting.
@@shaggytheshaman When free speech has "repercussions" as you so put it, depending on what those "repercussions" are, I would argue that the speech at some point ceases to be free. In an authoritarian dictatorship, say in stalin or hitler's countries in WW2, people had the freedom to say whatever they wanted. The "repercussion" in that case was imprisonment or death. That I think you would agree is not free speech.
If the "repercussion" to speech is less severe, say the loss of your job and being socially excluded, I would still hesistate to characterise that speech as free. The 1st amendment of the US constitution only promises lack of legal prosecution for free speech in a public space. But a college campus should be a place that includes a diversity of ideas and should not be deplatforming, persecuting, and firing individuals who have a different viewpoint from the majority. Of course, companies have the legal freedom to fire people based on most reasons, but to use this power to exclude people with a rhetoric you don't agree with is counter to the ideals of what a college should be.
My point, and I think the points of most people here, is not that people should not disagree with unpopular opinions, but that people with unpopular opinions should not have their livelihoods taken away or be deplatformed in a university setting. Whatever the law says you are technically allowed to do, if your reaction to a dissenting opinions is the destroy their livelihood, I don't think that is promoting free speech.
The fact that all of these students fail to see the value in free-speech is absolutely astonishing.
It isn’t just about their right to speak their thoughts, it’s also about your right to be able to hear those thoughts! You’re basically asking to have society censored because you’re too weak minded to reason through bad ideas.
These conversations just depress me. They make me concerned for our future.. anyone who doesn’t support freedom of speech isn’t a freaking liberal, they align with fascism
tell me you didnt watch the video without telling me
The fact a professor who taught for 20 or so yrs got fired after four students walked out after he taught sex is decided by chromosones............is a good example of wokeness gone to far.
Precisely. It is a master carpenter being fired because the kid with a summer apprenticeship decided he knows better because he made a popsicle house in second grade!🤣
Or the Hispanic guy losing his job because he sat in his car, having his arm out of the window, scratching his cuticles, while waiting for a BLM protest to pass by.
He was accused of doing a White P* handsign.
It was a 4chan hoax which was picked up by the media saying the👌(okay) was a secret WP handsign.
So many people got in trouble for it.
Soldiers, an ICE agent (who actually fights trafficking) etc...
Edit: Destiny just mentioned it as well.
Well I mean it's more complicated than that, sex is determined by hormones, and the hormones you get are decided by your set of sex chromosomes.
So for the vast majority yeah, but there's other things that affect sex too.
I don't think the professor you are talking abt should've been fired, but maybe one of the students were trans and they were offended by how he was teaching sex in a rudimentary way, like if your old science teacher in middle school was saying how homosexuality is unnatural (a more accepted point at the time) and then some kids walked out of the class
@@goose9515
sex, as a purely biological matter, IS decided by chromosomes. a female can never have a Y chromosome. with Swyer's syndrome, where males develop female parts, those parts are functionless--they cannot, by their nature, bear children or menstruate. it is a deformity.
socially speaking, culturally, it may be problematic to describe such a person as a "male". because the secondary sex characteristics of the female are so strong in them, this will in their social reality likely cause them to have an authentic affinity with womanhood and space should be made for such people.
but to state a blunt biological fact that chromosomes essentially define your sex is not problematic. the fact that XY chromosomes can cover those who appear male and those who outwardly appear female might actually be interpreted as inclusive--and consistent.
@@goose9515it's not really the same or similar. The sex is decided by chromosomes might just be old curriculum and even if it isn't can't they ask questions for him to clarify instead of walking and getting him fired?
"Give me a specific example of this happening"
*gives a specific example*
"You can throw these anecdotes at me all day and that's all they will ever be"
This is the entire point of marxist infiltration of institutions. Hide your bad arguments behind argumentum ad verecundiam. Except we have seized control of all positions of authority. There is no point in debating or arguing these people. They want you dead and your kids r_ped, prepare to handle them accordingly.
Did you expect any better? Literal brain rot
Its always the "No! not that one!" with people like that when they ask for a specific example of whatever you may be debating them about.
@@Continuum7 thats why I tend to not give them examples, I tell them I'm not google
I really dunno what she was even supposed to mean with that sentence. I wonder if she actually knows what anecdotes are.
"give me an example of wokeness gone amock"
few moments later
"murdering people for having wrong ideas aint a bad thing"
And I can give you countless counter-examples from wingnut fundie fascists. And . . . ?
Jesus. This is why progressives always doom themselves. They’re too ignorant, stupid, selfish and short sighted to see anything but their own neuroticism projected into everyone. You can’t even consider information, without saying, “but other people are to blame.”
Or, the child’s equivalence of saying “I know you are but what am I.”
@@MynaaMiesnowan What a ridiculous, childish generalization, based upon vapid assumed binaries, false equivalencies, coloring book cognition, and a general deficiency in critical thinking. This is why conservative ideology overwhelmingly attracts the least educated, the least intellectually curious, the most ideologically moldable, and the most irrationally religious.
Wokism is just fascism under a different name.
@@ExplosiveBolts Anti-"wokism" is just fascism projecting.
Brett Weinstein “goes to every podcast to talk about it even though it happened forever ago”? Woman! He was forced to quit his job after getting tenure, everything he worked for in life!
Bret never said he was going to give a lecture on "race realism" he said "a discussion of race through a scientific / evolutionary lens". Letting her frame it this way makes it seem like he was a white nationalist professor. Even if you hate Bret for his covid opinions, this is completely wrong and Destiny should have never conceded that.
I honestly can't fathom the lack of charitability on that woman's part, she legitimately insinuated that Brett would lecture IN SUPPORT of race realism. Yes, he built his life and career at one of the most liberal institutions in the United States, and it was all a big ruse. He really was just a Jewish Nazi or white supremacist the entire time.
He probably was going to touch on race realism, but to think he wasn't going to focus on giving the audience the tools to dissect and debunk it is absurd. It's the same bad faith attitude that is responsible for the controversy.
@@acew2306 you have to admit it still seems a little odd given the circumstance. But we dont actually know how it would have happened now
It doesnt matter to them. They think saying theres any difference between population groups beyond skin color is "race realism" and automatically "white supremacy" (never mind the fact, on average east asians are more intelligent than europeans and certain african populations are more athletic than europeans so even if you bought wholly into "race realism," "white people" wouldnt be "supreme"). They're no different than creationists, they dont believe in evolution, dont believe in evolutionary pressures based on geography, available diet, anything. Actually, maybe talking to a creationist would be better. At least the creationist can account for differences and just say "Well God made it that way."
@@natediaz1863 It is relevant because it makes it look like there were legitimate reasons to bully Bret out of his job. Calling for a professor to resign because he wants to hold a lecture on why whites are superior is not the same as calling for them to resign because they didn't want certain students to be forced to stay home because of the color of their skin.
Exactly, she made that up. It would have been even more interesting for destiny to prod that, since her thought process was "evolution + race = race realism" leaving no room for debate. That's an ex. of a simplified heuristic that's super prominent in woke people and is the exact reason people get cancelled.
Anyone that starts a conversation with “let’s not use our slave names” in today’s world is automatically a complete fool 🤦♂️
Fraud.
Man that guy was an idiot 😂. All his examples he used to justify canceling people like "I h@te all xx people"; so many people are getting canceled for saying things that aren't anywhere nearly as bad as that, stuff that's neutral in fact.
I like how he knows what people actually mean when they speak: it's all dogwhistling covering for hate, and he knows that for a fact.
obviously a joke
That first girl was impressive. She managed to somehow sit there talking for nearly 20 minutes without actually saying anything
She interrupts Destiny to make a point, Destiny refutes her arguments, then she proceeds to deny that those were her arguments for 20 minutes, it's like purgatory...
@@ne0nmancer purgatory, that's the best way to describe listening to her
Seriously
She was really engaged in the conversion, more than you would've been
destiny is making the claim not her
As an Asian American I have never experienced more racism than from progressives telling me I should think, do, believe, feel and be whatever it is they think a minority should be like.
Firm but not far conservative here absolutely elated to see an olive branch being extended by someone I thought I would never support in any way.
The students on the other hand. I don't see much has improved since I left college.
Hell yeah brother. I’m Korean and white. It’s called a box and they want you in it so they can use it to be racist and prejudice with stereotypes.
Cue the small penis, rich, play classical instruments, insanely tough parents with 4 hr of math study per day tropes.
Steven he kind of broke through that and used comedy to laugh at it so I appreciate that.
I never went through that so welp I’m not Asian.
Guess I didn’t get the memo or my evil white side took over my body and sent my Asian genes to the shadow realm!
/s
For an Asian you truly aren’t smart don’t you?? 😂😂 let’s give you a little bit of real racism so you get checked backed into reality
This is why we need more strong black, asian, latino conservative voices. It's far too easy for a heterosexual white male just to be put in the "oppressor" category. If you can be labeled racist/sexist/transphobic etc then it's easier to just dismiss/deplatform and not contend with your ideas at all. Meanwhile I'm over here like, "I don't hate anyone, I'm just poor as fuck and want lower taxes."
Im mixed white and black and the amount of mollycoddling is insane. Apparently its impossible for the black half of me to be a bad guy, he's just oppressed. Which apparently justifies every shitty action I might make. But the white side of me? Fuck that guy he's just a bad man.
Lmao you live a sheltered life. Try talking to some real right-wingers on cod or 4chan. They’ll break the world record of Asian slurs on you in a heartbeat. It’s hilarious to think that libs are racist for giving you special treatment, which I don’t entirely agree with either as a post-racial libertarian.
I like how she decided for Bret that his life is “better” as a pod caster vs what he and his wife dedicated their lives to do. Teaching young people at Evergreen.
Is it any surprise with the amount of smugness just oozing from her as soon as she spoke? She’s got it all figured out, so obviously she knows what’s best for the guy.
Just from some of her expressions, she acted like it pained her to just hear his argument. Then again, she wasn’t willing to hear another side. That was never her intention.
People like that engaging in these things walk into it with the sole intent of getting a “hah gotcha” and trying to pull the other person to _their_ side - never the other way around. They don’t understand that these types of conversations are meant to have *both* sides come to the table with an open mind to have an honest conversation where either side could walk away with different views. It’s not a debate, just two people conversing.
She sat down with a wall up, ready to be defensive with no will to genuinely engage with someone that thinks differently or even believe that she could potentially be wrong. It’s kind of sad, really, because she’s not a dumb person. She’s just very disingenuous.
@@TwoBsprobably won’t be a popular sentiment in this comment section but this is how about 90% of liberals under 40 behave. They’re so convinced of their moral superiority to anyone disagreeing with them that they won’t genuinely engage with anybody that disagrees. Logic or arguments don’t matter because they know if you disagree it’s coming from a place of hate and the hate in your heart that they’ve projected onto you is all that is truly relevant to them.
Wokeists quantify everything in money. Hate the rich, you nkow
Yeah she was pretty dumb
Brett had gangs of students looking to beat him up armed with weapons. The students told him to leave because he was white... fuck that shit.@@TwoBs
The woman (while a little annoying) articulated her points well and I really enjoyed the back and forth. I think she should continue to host more events like this in the future.
Solid
Got me there 😂
While I agree that she did articulate well, I think she was a lot more than just a little annoying. She would not let him articulate anything without stopping him constantly.
It's always a punch and a hug with you people. 😂
@@facundoorzabal8021 Him
This type of content is peak Destiny. Hope to see more irl events like this in the future.
BULLSHIT!
There was hardly any yelling!
no, I want more drama arcs that I dont care about
In terms of intellectual conversation I 100% agree, it's interesting to go from the macro level of debating leftist creators who have large audiences then debating the micro which in this case is students.
From an entertainment perspective I prefer the yelling & fighting because it gets more neuron activation in my monkey brain but I think both are needed
Nooo to me his peak content is staying up past midnight to leak a call between big streamers and react to them
It really sucks that he doesn't have these kinds of convos as much as I want him to.
I know destiny will probably never see this, but even as a conservative, I truly truly respect the way he conducts himself and tries to make conversation with people. Video after video he continues to show an insurmountable level of respect to people who he disagrees with. Just gained a fan, & sub.
Really??
He was ridiculously arrogant. He's been seriously humbled recently. The change in his demeanor is very apparent
@@davestuddaman8127 lol who humbled him recently?
@@michael2713 Shapiro, arguably. I actually think they both humbled each other in that debate. As a conservative also, Destiny gained a sub and follow from me after the debate with Shapiro.
@@bladeofwar that shapiro convo had a real lack of humbling on both sides, sure they disagreed but didn't delve into substance, once they understood eachother's position they just moved on quickly
I don't want bloodsports but could've been a little more combative imo
@@michael2713 Watched it again, yes you do have a good point of them not delving too far. Albeit I still enjoyed the back and forth.
This girl is very skilled at pretending to be a reasonable person who can acknowledge a valid point.
Umm..no she's not..she's the worst kind of intolerant bigot i've ever seen. He could barely open his mouth without her opening hers to interupt, insult, belittle and just say generally idiotic things.
Also pretending to be clever
@@Tokengesture she is clever
This is literally destiny's personality at its core, can't get mad at the girl for doing it too....
@@-karter-4556 two major flaws with this girl. She wasn't debating. She has no intention of changing her mind, and that's Inherently the problem with debates nowadays, which leads to the intense passive aggressive vibe. No matter how non yelly and non violent this conversation was. It was by no means civil discourse, which is what a debate should be.
The first girl is a perfect example of people who think they are smarter than everyone but they can’t even engage in simple debates or back up their arguments
Education isn't the same as intelligence, but some people have a huge ego that when they know more about something they think they can talk about everything else.
I’ve seen worse but it seems like she was arguing for the sake of arguing
You seem woke
She actually did engage and she was very good at it but unfortunately she's a true believer in the cult. And very well indoctrinated.
@@Kunigunda897she was obviously intelligent. Deluded, but intelligent.
First chick: give me an example
Destiny gives example
Chick: well that's just anecdotal
That first woman was exactly the problem he was talking about.
Prime example of a Dunning Kruger Ideologue.
The problem with people like her is she believes she is intelligent when she is actually dumb and brainwashed, and the hardest minds to change are the stupid people who believe they are smart.
She’s a 🤡
Yeah, they like to shift the goalposts like that.
Type of girl to leave you because you didn’t vote this year. 😂
Might as well have said, "Can you give me an anecdote?"
Here's an anecdote.
"Doesn't count; that's just an anecdote."
"Arguing with a genius is hard Arguing with an idiot is impossible”- Einstein
First debater: Asks for anekdotes of Wokeness having gone to far
Also first debater: Procedes to criticise Destiny for throwing anecdotes at her.
That's a weird looking kitchen.
@@jimmythegem6582 the sandwiches from that kitchen are abysmal. 1/10 recommend
She was the worst one to listen to.
@@Nnubbs cause she was right most of the time hey?
@@arbe3275 No, no she wasn’t lol. She contradicted herself multiple times lol
The multiple "Yeaah we know" of the first girl were painfully condescending and showed how inherently superior she considered herself to be. It really diminished her credibility as a debater
She is a ‘modern’ woman. 😂
We all know Destiny is never condescending.
Yeah i found her immediately to be one of those low IQ people who pretend to be high IQ
She was definitely only saying that because shes a fan of destiny
That is the default mindset of wokeism. I know what is best for everyone. It is a complex that leads to their fascistic tendencies.
2nd student was so ridiculously unaware of how he was proving/demonstrating destiny's position
The first girl also... Leftists want to justify cancelling... Waouw what a shock
Yeah. He was painful to listen to. I hope he views this video and attempts to learn something.
He will cringe later. Lol. What a stupid kid.
@@Lauraraksin77highly doubt it
2nd guy looked like he was afraid of his own shadow
Im a very conservative/libertarian straight white male and i never thought id ever agree with destiny on much. But im very happy to see him try and bridge the gap and call out the bs. We dont have to agree on everything and it pleases me to no end that he is showing people on the left that its possible for us to have civil discussions and coexist peacefully.
conservative libertarian is an oxymoron
She asked for “anecdotes” then complains when she gets anecdotes!! Strange but true She embodies wokeness!!
Exactly. "Give me an example." "That's just an anecdote..." Lol
Your examples make too much sense, stop giving me anecdotes!
She contradicts herself like 10 times. Plus
She'll say something, destiny pushes her point, n her reply is "idk it's your topic"....
Yea, that's the biggest problem with all these people.
I've even seen Ben Shapiro (who, I don't always agree with, but have a lot of respect for) make that mistake where he gets mad at people for using anecdotal evidence, but then brings up his own (especially lately)
The first girl is well-spoken, but some confuse good public speaking with good ideas. Also, Destiny makes a good point about whether we as a society should want people like Bret Weinstein to talk about topics as controversial as race over those like Nick Fuentes. The girl doesn't attack the idea but rather lazily dismisses it: "That's a low bar." Sure lady, but his point stands that by alienating and segregating sane and articulate individuals from the cultural debate, we elevate those most radical and dogmatic. This is why the left has become so radical and orthodox, and why the right is now responding likewise.
Props to Destiny, one of the few reasonable progressives left. It's unfortunate that people focus more on public speaking rather than the core ideas of the argument. The best essay is the most concise.
@John athan good point
agreed, she's clearly got experience with a debate team or whatever judging by the terms she uses, but her arguments were bad. She asked for examples, but then dismissed it as an anecdote after agreeing with Destiny on the example showing wokeness going too far. I guess Destiny didn't catch that.
She will make a decent politician.
@@Pharomid Might have caught it, might not have. Seems like (to me) he chose to let a lot go in order to keep the convo going/civil
She would be rhetorically effective against Shapiro or Crowder tho. They all are well-spoken with poor ideas. Would be interesting to watch her engage.
That guy justifying murdering people who don't have the right opinions is really disgusting. He did a great job in validating your argument in a way I didn't think was possible.
How is that any different from a particular group wanting to murder people with lifestyles or attributes that they disagree with?
People who advocate genocide*
If you have to twist someone's words to make a point, maybe you don't actually have one.
@@tophatcat1173Oh I heard what he said very clearly and the actual connotations of it taken to its logical ends are terrifyingly unhinged. I'd love to hear his Twitter takes if that is what he is willing to say in public.
That guy really told on himself the more he talked. He went from "It doesn't mean I'm going to cancel somebody" to "they could end up being the next Hitler so we should take care of it now with lethal force".
Most charitable interpretation is that he was literally talking specifically about going back and killing Hitler.
Really, really sounded like he was talking about anybody though...
So some random guy on the street verbally announces he "advocates genocide", just pull out the old hand cannon and start blasting huh? The progressive way I suppose.
yeah people justt dislike the analogy appkying to them@@tophatcat1173
@@tophatcat1173Respectfully I disagree because he didn’t say that Hitler was explicitly advocating for genocide or even suggesting so, but only that he said Jewish people are bad or that he doesn’t like Jewish people.
Well I am taken aback. This video showed up in my TH-cam feed and I thought, what the hell? I can't believe I am siding with and applauding Destiny. Kudos to you for this experiment.
The first woman was pretty well spoken.. i heard her name is destiny
yeah she's a gay black stripper I think
kudos to catching me off guard amongst a sea of "girl's name" jokes
dammit you guys keep getting me!
2nd woman
Aaaamazin
I am a conservative but I am a big fan of Destiny who has a logical liberal perspective to check my beliefs and challenge certain ideals. I love that he is producing this type of content, this is like a huge missing puzzle piece in the search for truth and understanding.
Rock on man! I'm a progressive and I can't stand this lack cooperation between two different ideologies.
Everything needs opposition without it decay sets in old truths will not remain new ones will be produced in a factory esk setting.
what do you mean by conservative? Like do you support gay marriage?
@@mixdoe2885 of course he does. supporting gay marriage is integral to contemporary conservatism.
@@MinistryPhenom oh I didn’t know. I never know what people mean by conservative
to the first girl. woke decissions and pressure happens in the workplace, that is the backbone of peoples lives. how big of an example do you need.
Anecdotes or isolated incidents mean nothing. She's literally agreeing with destiny that these were messed up situations. But that doesn't mean wokeness has gone too far. Wokeness isn't as big of a deal as you think it is. Most people aren't "woke" especially on the left. There's going to be people with extreme opinions and there's going to be shitty situations and incidents coming from that but that doesn't mean wokeism is this epidemic that needs to be stopped. But this is the narrative you're being brainwashed to believe so
She said that she doesn't agree with drawing larger conclusions about the pervasiveness of wokeness based on anecdotes. But I wonder if she would agree that white supremacy is an epidemic in the US as many liberals seem to believe? What credible national survey would she offer as empirical data that demonstrates that a vast majority of white Americans identify as white supremacists? I've yet to see that particular Gallup poll come out. I presume because it doesn't exist.
The audacity to claim that a Uni professor that got bullied, wrongfully terminated and treated with utmost disrespect actually didn´t suffer from it is mindblowing.
Typical Leftist...her argument "Look at all the money he has made off of it!".
At the core of every "Progressive" is a hateful person who is full of envy.
"Socialists don't care about the poor, they just hate the rich." - G. Orwell
the point was that his life is better and that's true -- he was a nobody professor before. the college payed out half a million to him and his wife and now he's a whole media personality just raking money in from touring and selling books.
@@jayce4901 Good to know. I though one ought to ask HIM if this has improved his life. But I guess you are the arbitrator of how he is feeling about it. He has witnessed to the opposite in multiple interviews, but you do what you need to, to justify illegal bullying in the name of the "message".
So because Bret Weinstein managed to turn that horrible situation into a successful situation means it's ok that he was bullied? What a bizarre place we are in these days. It's now ok to bully people in the name of social justice because they might be able to turn a bad situation into a better one. Bret doesnt try to shoehorn his story into every interview or discussion he does, its the people interviewing him that usually bring it up because it was such a terrible they did to him.
@@jayce4901 the point was to deceive
That first girl is peak woke. The most telling trait of it is the smugness, the condescension and the gaslighting.
Isn't she Destiny's friend?
They were together on the Whatever podcast, dating talk #75
and she got kicked off the podcast for being a troll or something.
I don't think so, peak wokes just scream at you like a wild animal
Yep she’s a special one…. Repeatedly has shown that she doesn’t come to the table in good faith. She’s Neil Degrasse Tyson with an extra large chip on her shoulder and minus his IQ.
@@cancelled_user Yes sir.
You are right, and I am super torn about that. Because I'm super attractive to her. She is even intelligent, not just some crazy nutter that screams none sense. But I'm sure I wouldn't be able to date her because we would disagree way to much on pretty much everything
Edit. I think that she is just an actor pretending to be woke. She is way too charming for a extream woke person. (I'm obviously not meaning it literally, but you get my point. This is said with a tint of sarcasm) Still charming though.
Her: can you give me an example?
Him: gives example
Her: why are you giving me these individual examples? they dont matter.
You mean her and her cuz
Destiny is a. Girls name 😂😂😂😂😂
You mean her and her cuz
Destiny is a. Girls name 😂😂😂😂😂
@@danielaull5386 why you repeating yourself, you trembling or sum. How about you comment the same thing again why don’t you huh!
@@alexsattar4623 And just cause I'm petty...
You mean her and her cuz Destiny is a. Girls name 😂😂😂😂😂
@@alexsattar4623 thanks
The thing I noticed in terms of differences between the left and the right is like Destiny said, the right is far more often way more open to dialogue. Even if that is simply for the purpose of trying to prove their point or sway someone. But when you look at the left they really do tend to have the "we cant/wont talk about this/to these people". They seem to paint conservatives as lost causes and dont even welcome discourse and differing opinions in hopes of changing someones mind or winning someone over. Almost like unless you agree you are simply below a dialogue because youre just beyond "saving".
Thats why wokeism has gone to far, you have a whole group of people in this country that hold themselves as such a moral superior that they think what they believe and think is above discussing or thinking about, and those who disagree are legitimately dangerous. In terms of policy there isnt much yet, but the social aspect has an effect on policy eventually. Thats how it works. How many times did our parents tell us to do or not do something and when asked why all we got was "because I said so". How much rebellion and resentment did that cause and how many of us grew up with the desire to be different and to explain our thought processes to our kids so they would understand and not hide behind the power and superiority of "well Im the parent". Sometimes you should justify yourself as a means to bring understanding.
To me it seems like the right wing sees their own beliefs primarily as logically correct, while the left sees their own beliefs as morally correct. This doesn't mean that rightwingers are automatically logical or leftwingers moral, but the right being open to debates means that they believe that if they make a convincing enough argument, people will change their minds. While among the left it is more common to assume the disagreements to stem from the moral failings of the opposition, so convincing them with arguments seem pointless to them, as there is fundamentally something wrong with those who disagree. Like trying to explain to a serial killer that murder is bad.
@@MidWitPride I can definitely see that. And I do agree that neither is guaranteed to be the very thing they see themselves as. And I do think that rightwingers should not look for dialogue for the sole reason of changing minds, but be willing to change their mind or simply have to discussion for discussions sake. But I will take any willingness to hear each other out over turning noses up and acting like the opposition is below saving or not worth engaging with. All that does is foster more hatred and build more walls. Rightwingers thinking the left isn’t logical and can potentially be reasoned with is a far healthier starting point than the left just labeling conservatives as immoral monsters. I at least see a lot of wanting to meet somewhere in the middle on the right, not so much on the left.
The corrupt right wing Supreme Court and the entire white Christian power structure would contradict your assertion. Right wingers want to have discussions because they want to rehash topics that have long been settled. It's no coincidence that neo Nazis, flat earth, creationism, militant Christian nationalism, QAnon are a idea movements that have gained ground over the past decade. The right doesn't want good faith debate. It wants to undermine progress and roll back advances made over the past fifty or more years. Roe is just one of many progressive wins that dark money and organizations such as The Heritage Foundation have destroyed by flooding the social media space with bad faith arguments and BS "debates". Sorry Candace, I don't need to debate the pros and cons of the Nazis to know that they were horrible. No debate needed. I think Bret and Heather Heying are total conspiratorial lunatics in their recent incarnation in podcasts where they have hushed discussions and spew the most absurd garbage on mundane topics.
curious about your thoughts on the left/right dynamic now 🤣
When she wants YOU to do exactly as she says, it's "just listen to us because we're morally superior". When Destiny shows her problems with her "morally superior behavior" it's "show me the data about how my religion has harmed others".
🎯 she’s a narcissist
@@VolzYT
Probably.
There are some signals for that personality.
The first girl.. her tone and self-righteousness demeanour is what’s wrong. Right away she is trying to frame her argument without really listening. The girl believes she is going to educate someone as if talking to a toddler.
People like her are not worth having a discussion since they make an investment on the subject based on feelings. They have decided right away that they are right, regardless of any evidence.
If all fails on their end.. then they point out that there is a ‘higher truth’.
I have had plenty of discussions with the likes of her… then after all the snotty high morality postering, their true face shows when they go to insults and toddler behaviour.
Cognitive dissonance is strong.
The first student had it all figured out until she got the slightest push back and her entire argument fell apart spectacularly.
She kept saying "no he can talk about race I just think it's interesting to explore the implications of him bringing that up at that moment" but that's so disingenuous bc they weren't "exploring the idea", they were screaming and protesting outside of his classroom and calling for him to be fired 😂
it's almost like she has only ever talked to guys that wanted to fuck her LOL
I love when she uses the term "nuance". She's basically saying it's complicated and I get it but you don't.
They know each other.
But I liked her points more then his
I'm a 53-year-old Black male professional who that came from a single parent low-income family who struggled to get where I'm at and for the life I can't figure out how these kids somehow became an authority on who gets to speak, for the people.
I think it comes from an attempt at moral superiority without a principled guiding moral compass. More plainly stated, Christianity in its teachings is tolerant and that absence of pressure allows for people without an agreed upon moral baseline to create and morph their baseline and use their standards for morality as a bludgeoning tool.
@@quinlanz92 They could learn a lot if they had ears to hear and eyes to see. King James Version 5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience
Agree!!! Well said, Seems to me that they know everything. They’ll get about 45 to 50 and they’ll look back at how much they know.
@@quinlanz92 Christianity in its teachings is tolerant. No its not.
@@quinlanz92 Christianity is not tolerant. Numbers 31:17-18. Read the bible. "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." You are magically getting your morals from somewhere else than what is found in the "good/bad" book.
The first lady totally makes his point. The moment he started challenging her views, she became antagonistic, kept interrupting him, probably only heard like 50% of what he said, and pulled a purity test by questioning if he's a progressive himself. So aggravating.
No she didn't you just didnt get her point.
She starts by saying I have a problem even having this conversation. Yet she doesn’t understand how wokeness has gone to far. These people don’t understand irony
People in a group that goo to far rarely see their own doing.
These conversations are wildly better than many of the insane chronically online people that you usually have on. These are some very intelligent discussions. Do this again please!
that's a joke right?
That first bimbo was a science denier who didn't think race was real! So much for intelligence...
You heard the first crazy eyes girl, right?
The convo was fun, but in no way is that first girl doing anything but trying to dunk while doing the exact things she attacked destiny for. Second guy wasn't too bad.
@@jusscocro772 She might have been trying to dunk but a lot of those dunks were successful. A random girl off the street was able to hold her own against one of the most seasoned debaters on TH-cam. Granted he was holding back, but give this girl a channel and a few months practice and she'd be better than most of the dudes in the debate-o-sphere
First girl: Give me examples of wokeness running amok
Destiny: Well here’s example A, B, and C
Girl: Yea but anecdotes don’t prove anything
🤦♂️
It was really annoying for her to move goalposts all conversation long.
I was shocked that she watched a joe rogan episode.
@@colereed7411so she could complain about it..
@@billking7925 still shocked
"The plural of anecdote isn't evidence." Seeing as statistics are literally a collection of anecdotes, yes indeed it is a form of evidence.
She asked for examples. Destiny gave examples. She then pivoted and started describing the examples as anecdotes that aren't "data" that reflects broader social trends. That wasn't what the argument was about. Nevertheless, just because there isn't a study or scientific data regarding a phenomenon, that doesn't mean a phenomenon doesn't exist when examples or "anecdotes" are provided that clearly demonstrate the reality of said phenomenon.
I 100% do NOT agree with many, and maybe even most of Destiny's views, but I respect him A LOT. His ability and willingness to have a productive debate is something we need more of nowadays. I think he engages people with opposing viewpoints earnestly and that's really refreshing.
Bring back the ability to disagree with others without being labeled as "hateful."
@extremely wise tree Considering just how UNcommon courtesy and civil discourse has become, yes, I believe it's worthy of praise when we see it.
I'm glad I'm on the way downhill, and won't be around for the type of future that we seem to be moving ever closer to.
thats the point though, those kids typically get omitted from like steven crowders final cut.
what do u disagree with
@@rin022 Why does it matter
@@danporter1176 prove it or cope
"He's free to talk about it" Well no, people showed up with baseball bats hunting for him.
I've never seen this clip before but when that bitch basically waved off what happened to Brett and said it's old news time to move on, I was infuriated
Exactly! Do they actually hear themselves when they speak?
You do realize he worked at the college for 20 years and spoke about it? So him speaking about was not the issue.
@@soph1645 he was free in the past and then things changed. It's not a hard concept.
You can't negate an event happening because it didn't happen previously until it did.
@@DadeMurphie the point is the reason why he was made to resign wasn't because of his teaching like you make it seem like.
Brings up an example that sheds light on the horrible things extremists are doing on their side.
Student 1:
"Yeah I'm not even going to discuss that or whatever"
Student 2:
"I think it's best if we don't give that too much attention."
There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
@@dm_1236 That isn't what she did
@@dm_1236 he did. He defined that societal oppression over scientific views is one example. Watch the video dude.
@@dm_1236 She asked for an example then said "I don't like anecdotes, and thats only one example, give me more!" so he does give her more and she denies it's legitimacy by just calling them anecdotes. Oh, so you call his stats made up? I doubt you're going to back that up at all. The evergreen example was perfect. Listen to her stumble over why she is against Bret Weinstein. She is creating conspiracies' to excuse why she can call him a deplorable. So pathetic
@@dm_1236 It's a common debate tactic by lefties to keep asking the other person "Why?" and constantly asking the other person to defend themselves because they can't defend their own positions. They also constantly reinterpret what the other person says based on their perception of conservatives which she does over and over here.
Thank you for doing this Destiny
I feel like this would be better if Destiny brought a computer outside to play in front of these people while he talk to them.
That would be next level
lmfao
"Fuckin' a, god damn it.. I'm sorry can you repeat that you cut out there"
@@psychobabblemusic 🤣
ah yes, the pizza tactic
I love how she asked destiny for a specific example then chides him for relying on anecdotal evidence 😂
Example doesn't mean anecdotes there champ.
@@LazyEyePolitics it wasn’t an anecdote, that’s my point *champ.* It was a real world example, not some unverifiable story about your cousin’s girlfriend’s boss’s neighbor’s social worker.
@@yvonnelee4385 One real world example is an anecdote there buddy, just because it is verifiable it is still an anecdote. A strong example would be - women are better drivers because statistics say that women get in less crashes per capita then men. The fact you think a story is not an anecdote because it is verifiable shows you dont know what you are talking about.
@@yvonnelee4385 it was a anecdote
@@judgedread4929 The anecdote IS the specific example she asked for
Aye yay yay, my new store is right across the street from this mess. FML!
9:58 she asked for an example, got an example, then said she needs data not anecdotes. What the f......
11:37 2020.
13:36 destiny did good there.
18:27 she used an anecdote after going on a rant about how we need to be using big data and citations when discussing cultural issues
24:50 most depressing part of this entire thing. If you're not getting laws passed, then what you're doing is pointless? This is so childish and naive. Would a company like framework even be able to sell a computer when the specs are lower and the price is higher than competing brands, if people were not made culturally aware of why right to repair is important over the past 10 years? Further, does she not understand that law is downstream from culture?
You do not have to get a law passed to have an impact. People behave not just based on what is written in a law book, but from what is in their own mind and ingrained into their culture. If you want to make a difference, you don't start with a law. You start with people's minds, and the culture.
She makes the idea of cultural change in a positive direction sound pointless while simultaneously managing to be as condescending as possible about the fact that he discusses these issues on TH-cam as if this is a win. I hope this woman never embarks on a journey to change the world with that attitude.
Hey Louis!! Great to here that you got out of NYC!! Great to see you commenting here too!
Wishing you, and your employee's the best in Texas!!!
Geez, that was a little intense. People can change their viewpoints on things, and I think saying someone is doomed to fail in the future is a but over the top.
@@driftxp4 as long as somebody genuinely believes that there is no point to any cultural change or influence if they are not able to get a law passed, they're putting the cart before the horse.
I don't think she actually believes that though. I think she wanted to get a cheap one up on destiny, while condescending him for being a youtuber. Which is already in poor taste, because he was saying that as a self-deprecating peace offering in the conversation. Anytime you are being overly self-deprecating and somebody actually fully agrees with you, they're being an asshole
I don't think she believes what she said. However, if she actually does believe that, she's screwed
Especially since they are in the learning and growth period in college.
Yes she’s a complete fool, I wouldn’t be surprised if she was kicked out of the college after this interview gets more attention
i fell asleep playing Brotato and woke up to this
im not making a point, just letting everyone know a true story from my life
youre welcome
the biggest problem is they immediately have a problem with the conversation
Yep. First girl was ready to rage and kept trying to get him to piss her off
@@mattd507 i mean she's a sub5
@@mattd507 she was pretty good, idk why people hate her
@@deadpirateroberts9937 I dont hate her it just seems she went into it hoping to fire someone up.
Say it directly... They are highly intolerant of new ideas or other ideas
Destiny is the type of progressive the U.S. needs right now. And I say that as someone who doesn’t agree with him on everything.
I totally agree! I’m conservative but I listen to him to hear what a smart “progressive” or “liberal” thinks.
@@shodanart what conservative values do you follow?
Yeah I think he’s a simp but the dood has great political views
I dont think Progressives believe he is progressive.
Wokeism is going to be the end of them if they don't figure out how to detach from it and actually converse with opposing views. That second guy really demonstrated the mindset with "We should be able to murder people who have bad ideas."
Tell me again how you're the opposite of an actual Nazi??
Seriously.
I love when Steven does the change my mind thing
Preferably this Steven.
@@h8thegr8 nah this is a girl though, I prefer Steven
I see what you did there
@@HighwayDrive717 You’re right, she’s named Destiny. I just got confused with another Steven’s Change My Mind show.
I just don't get why Crowder changed his name to a girl's one
My first time watching anything Destiny. This is how you communicate ideas. Challenging these points of view from your own side is very interesting. Censoring is not the way.
"They are just anecdotes unless they support my view, and once we find one anecdote that fits our agenda, that will become the established science that cannot be questioned and must be trusted" is basically what I got from first girl
yeah can’t believe the college girl is more stupid than me
pretty much😂
World view confirmation bias. "Debating" with people like that is a waste of time, they can't even think for themselves.
I wanted to vomit as soon as she opened her mouth. Her look and voice reeks of who she proved to be.
@@jnny7182 you are a hateful one aren’t you?
She literally proved his literal point with her first statement lol
But he is hot tho
She said about 3 or 4 things I noticed, Freudian slips, that completely gave away her inherent narcissism. Of course she doesn't believe wokeism has run amok. She is apart of the amok.
It's crazy to me how someone could look at the Evergreen story and see anything but the most abhorrent behavior by those students. It must take some serious mental reality bending to see it otherwise.
@@H.Hardrada I'm a conservative but I agree with you...it was terrible
@@H.Hardrada literally, she is the definition of coping
She try’s a gottchya, he proves his point, she moves the goal posts, she try’s a gottchya, he proves his point, she moves the goal posts, and repeat, absolutely crazy the lack of self awareness this woman has
Yup
Its funny because its the same as a conspiracy theorist tactic
And she'll never admit it. She'll walk around moments after telling everyone how she schooled this dumb racist liberal.
@@xBiHaz except the crazy conspiracy theorists have been proven right many times.
Why did he decide to give that particular lecture at that particular moment.
When you consider that most of the time, there's a program of teaching and generally someone goes with the program which has like structure and lectures are given one after the other.
It isn't so much that he choose to talk in specific about that very specific issue at that very moment, as much as it was part of his university program/lessons he would teach.
So he actually would have to go out of his way to change his program in accordance to this event.
First converdation was a phenomenal discussion between a moderate and someone with an agenda.
We don't need to cancel wokeness. We need more moderates and fewer far lefters and far righters. The more we agree and tolerate, the less all parties feel threatened or overwhelmed, the more regulated our social structures become.
Wokeness is a symptom, not the disease.
"Why was Andrew Tate banned from all social media platforms at the same time? Conspiracy!?!?"
Andrew Tate's content violated the terms of agreement on all social media platforms. Not only that, but almost none of his content failed to violate the terms of agree of each social media platform. Not only that, but all of Tate's content exploded in popularity, was at the forefront of conversation, and was highlighted by the general public making it content that all humans in content mediation positions in had it at the top of their list.
Andrew Tate getting banned from the internet isn't a controversial thing. For right wingers just use Tate as an opportunity to say that the leftists are out of control with cancel culture. Braindead agenda pushing.
It's weird that Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate are being used in the same conversation. They are completely different people with completely different viewpoints. Leftists hate Jordan Peterson, and his college campus gave him the boot, but he hasn't been silenced. Twitter banned him because they were a bunch of leftist activists, but that was Twitter, not the internet. Tate was banned because he was a piece of shit and violated terms and conditions with misogyny in almost all of his content.
This convinced me not only has woke gone too far but it still hasn’t gone as far as it will. This was horrifying.
Agreed. These people are so far gone and it’ll only get worse.
It will be a crazy time when wokeism has peaked. Social justice warrior's marching down the road calling out Sieg Woke!
Second guy really doesn’t understand that “hate” is subjective. A lot of women think a man that is pro life “hates women”. So by his theory she should shoot the man. It’s very complicated
And to fight their bs some other idiots will go too far the other side.
@@Espectador666 We need more people going the other side tbh. This is the only way smart people will come to the middle.
As an old guy (39 years old) who was a teenager in the 90's, the words coming out of the mouths of these kids is absolutely astounding. I mean, I've certainly heard them online endlessly for about the last 6 years or so, but to hear them say it with their own mouths so confidently is amazing. Never before now would you have heard young people commonly suggesting that other people "shouldn't be allowed to talk," especially progressives. In the 90's, it was progressives who held the position that freedom of speech is sacred, because so many religious conservatives were censoring swearing, sexual speech, satanic games, public immodesty, etc.
Did those christian nuts ban stuff by just asking companies to stop selling stuff or did they petition the government to ban things christians didn’t like by law?
Seems people forgot the distinction between government censorship and just freedom of speech. If the government bans you from listening to certain music that is wrong. If people just express their opinion about a certain type of music you are not a little victim of “cancel culture” because you can’t stand to hear people criticizing a genre of music.
Please, people have been saying that universities have been enforcing political correctness, which is really just the old version of wokeness, since the 80s. There's an episode of Murphy Brown that touches on this topic. Murphy. Brown.
Also, I'm of your generation and weren't we known for calling each other the f-slur in person and the n-word online?
You could even see it in the music of the 90's the chart topper songs were all over the place, grunge, alternative, R&B, Hip Hop, Rock, Ska. I'm around the same age as you and I was talking to a uni student neighbour of mine about cancel culture in a chill manner and they started to get agitated. The topic and my stance on without further elaboration had them feeling some type of way. Was very interesting and eye opening.
@@BobardeZanzibar I’m also of you guys’ generation and I disagree with what you’re saying. The original comment used the broad paintbrush of society and you said university. Most ppl weren’t in university.
And the f and n word being used everywhere online kinda proves his point.
Why are you accepting the asinine and divisive framing of "progressives" vs "conservatives"? Progress and conservation are not static points, they're multi-directional spectrums upon which we all hold a plethora of constantly evolving and adapting positions, to different extremes and with multiple variables impacting those positions.
Just as useless are the labels "left" and "right", which are used near-universally as moral judgements and litmus tests rather than reasonable descriptions of anything real. The very language we use is being used to program our thinking, and it's making chumps of all of us.
Our focus should instead be on "liberty" vs "authority", on principles which stand unchallenged wherever you happen to lie on the political spectrum. Buying into the divisive identitarian bullshit will enslave us all.
"Give me an example" [gives example]
"That's just an anecdote!"
... Examples are anecdotes. Conveniently calls it an anecdote to dismiss it. The fact is you can't just refer to data all the time, you would preclude yourself from debating a whole range of topics for which there is no data. There is no dataset that is going to prove or disprove whether wokeism has gone too far.
I'm not a Destiny fan but god damn this dude has patience.
He’s become way more middle of the road Democrat than liberal. Democrat politicians could learn a lot from this.
I think that’s all it takes to win an argument. A superpower nowadays in this climate.
Yeah I just found him a month ago he’s got a lot of really good socializing skills and tools
He has become alot more reasonable than he used to be. He used to be like that 2nd guy who thought violence against people you disagree with was okay, but as the years have gone on I think he has become wiser and realizes that him and the ideology in general keeps getting more and more extreme. He still has pretty progressive policies but he is not part of the "everything i don't like is violence" crowd anymore.
He really doesn't. He's arguing with people who he has better ideas than so he can talk with them to try to get them to his position. Watch him talk to someone who he doesn't have bad ideas with. That patience runs out awfully quick.
First girl is like, "right-leaning professors shouldn't be allowed to speak" and also, "why are there no university studies about how right-leaning discourse gets banned at universities?"
Not "right leaning discourse, all discourse involving "free thought." This issue has nothing to do with the right or the left. it is an issue about free thought and freedom of speech. Both of which are essential to wisdom and have no political affiliations.
@cvr527 I'm sure all the universities would say that's what they are committed to. The problem isn't policy. It's culture. It's the leadership of these Universities caving to pressure that a speaker that wants to say that doing irreversable gender conforming surgery on prepubecent childern with developing brains violates the Hippocratic oath crosses the line of civil discourse into hate speech, but a speaker talking about Queering kids is civil discourse worthy of consideration. The problem in a nutshell is that where to put that line being bent by political considerations. That's how law works. In the US, many landmark decisions are made 4-3 along strict party lines. Lower courts are the same way. The law says what it says in every courtroom, but what it means in practice is going to vary from judge to judge.
Honestly, the Left's political capture of universities is just as brilliant and significant as the Republican RedMap campaign last decade. And it may have longer-term effects.
@@grantstratton2239 It is clear that you do not understand the nature, or insidiousness of what marxism really is.
It isnt a matter of the leadership caving to pressure. The leadership is pushing their political religion from the top down. In direct conjunction with trusted faculty members.
I dont think any of these people understand cultural marxism is the problem.
Ive gone on many of these videos and people dont get that this is what is affecting the colleges and messing society up.
Radical feminism, LGBT agenda, BLM and Antifah, they honestly dont get it.
They are all marxist without understanding how dangerous it is and its true purpose.
@@cvr527 Correct. All these college students didn't just show up to Orientation and say "ok, we're running things now!". They've been groomed for years at these institutions by the top down culture, Marxist curricula, and radicalist professors. Now they're being primed in grade school into this religious dogma, because the capture is so extensive Marxists feel there's no longer any need to hide the transhumanist programming.
First women... "Can you give me an example of wokeness run amok, that if it was to become a broader social trend it would be problematic".... Destiny provides multiple examples, she responds "Do you have something other than antidotes. " .... literally what she asked for...... We are doomed
She sat there and methodically made every point about wokeness going to far, and essentially her grand fallback is "it's not everywhere affecting everyone yet, um, so like, um, it's just anecdotes".
I got to that point and had to drunkenly walk off to yell about how the evidence she would trust is just a collection of anecdotes. Thanks for phrasing it better.
On point.
Can you tell me what wokeness is?
Hint: its a trick question.
She’s the one who asked for examples too. 😑. I was hoping he’d call her on that.
@@iamlovingawareness2284 what was he supposed to call her on?
Very pleased with this discussion. Thank you for putting this up!
That first girl ended by basically saying, "I'd rather force people by gun point to fall in line with my beliefs instead of debating them."
If a man, holding a belief which he was taught in childhood or persuaded of afterwards, keeps down and pushes away any doubts which arise about it in his mind, purposely avoids the reading of books and the company of men that call into question or discuss it, and regards as impious those questions which cannot easily be asked without disturbing it -the life of that man is one long sin againstmankind.
Bet you she charges 60$ a month on her onlyfans and its all fully clothed content...
that's every liberal they're authoritarians.
they want to be in charge, that's all
it's all about gaining power
@@ramireini So, in this rare case where this does happen we're allowed to threaten them into changing their views? And who is able to make the judgement that this is the case?
It's a very idealistic view, but unless we have someone who is truly omnipotent we can't possibly know that it is the case.
@@jas2765 I don't want to threaten anyone, that's not how good change is made. I want to make myself better and pull people up with me, I want to make the world a better place by making myself better.
It wasn’t Destiny’s opinions that convinced me wokeism has gone too far, it was the students responses to him.
Yea. She can't talk to anyone without being condescending.
@@YiddishDancingClowni got that as well, lots of little jabs punctuating her rants.
You all know that she won right? Especially the last few minutes she basically dominated him
Like why like would like you like say like that like? Like this like are like brightest like people like!
she's def gonna read that bro@@therealbs2000
“Literally forever ago”. Words from a genius describing a few years ago
When you are on TikTok, 24 hours is a whole year
Yeah if it is a good point against there opinion it’s old news regardless if it was last week lol
Guy loses his job and her response is "Literally forever ago" like he should get over it. She is the epitome of "think you're smarter than you are"
One of many attempts she makes to disqualify and dismiss details inconvenient to her preferred narrative. She really needs to brush up on logic and how it applies to evaluation of issues and debate.
She’s incredibly vapid and unintelligent
Second comment on this video... 👏👏👏Well done Destiny. You did a great job of articulating the argument for open discussion. So many that you talked to are more of thought that "the end justifies the means". That's a dangerous place to be.
Destiny sees that people cant cross the aisle to talk about these topics, so he does it instead. I think thats brilliant and the most genuine show of his character.
I am 17:00 in and I am genuinely impressed with Destiny.
These children have memorized ideas but lack reason . It’s youth. God willing these pompous little idealists will out grow their naivety
It's not like Steven Crowder has been doing this for years, right? 😂
@@jovanleon7 I dont think Crowder gets the same kinds of conversations because he is conservative. Sure he gets enough footage for a video, but is he making any real change in how these kids think? Destiny on the other hand leans left, which means the confrontations and conversations are a lot less charged (even if he is still controversial to some on his side)
@@Pizza_Box you said "people can cross aisle" to talk about these issues yet that's exactly what Crowder has been doing
I like it when someone forces an anecdote by specifically requesting a single real life example and follows it with anecdotes are not data. I will use this strategy whenever I won't have any good arguments but want to feel like I am saying anything.
There is an upgraded version of the strategy where you do it both ways I.e when you give data they say but that doesn't translate to actual real life experience
I disagree with the framing that she "forced" an anecdote. It was a fair to ask for one - What was Destiny going to bring to the argument if not anecdotes? He made a claim, then he was going to back it up with either data or anecdotes. He didnt have data. So she asked for the anecdote, and after hearing it, was unconvinced. I found her to be rather effective rhetorically, she was able to successfully cast doubt on Destiny's premise.
Agree.
It is called gas lighting. That girl did it constantly and you don't get that comfortable at doing it without a ton of experience and zero empathy for others because doing that makes most people feel bad.
@@testcase6997 that isn't even close to the same level as the example given and you know of many more (so did she) from the news and other sources or you wouldn't be watching this video. She asked for an example, got one and then berated destiny for giving her what she asked for. That is gas lighting. You are doing the same here. I hope you dont do this often it shows a distinct lack of empathy and respect for others and is usually a huge red flag.
The second student is the exact reason why we’re in the situation we’re in politically in this country.
So much passion, yet such little awareness and knowledge.
Thinking the same thing
Useful idiots of communism, usher in the revolution just to be the first lined up against the wall
Wow I got this his last word. He is ok with shooting someone who in his opinion says something controversial as in I hate certain people.
Pussy Is powerful my friends
He said the same thing over again every time he was given time to speak
I’m rarely impressed but right now is a strong exception to that…
Although I thoroughly enjoyed Destinys last debate with Ben Shapiro, I’ve never been a fan of Destiny.
The fact that Destiny realizes how out of hand the Progressives have gotten and took the initiative to try to reason some sense into his own side greatly impressed me.
Kudos, Destiny.
As someone who preferred "rightwing" people on TH-cam, Steven is genuinely helping me be able to associate with the left more. He has a lot of principles like the marketplace of ideas that is propped up mostly by righties but he actually gives it justice. Even if I disagree with him, if he has a convincing view I try to either accept it or admit lack of knowledge.
Maybe im the odd one out or sth. (My Discords call me a re#$%& for being a DGG Viewer), but Destiny has had a immensly positive influence to me personally. Thank you Steven.
Side Note, by "rightwing" I don't mean conservative right views per se, just the online community perceived as such, hence the quotation marks. People like SFO, Adam&Sitch, and to some extend Tim Pool or Crowder. Sure my bar was low, but it felt like I had no other choice. Most "lefties" I knew were extremely hostile to self-proclaimed "obvious wrongs".
Destiny Fullright changed my view on Transgenderism.
@@wtrflsh I mean Tim Pool and Steven Crowder would be right wing under every contemporary metric
@@Rudi361 Tim pool would be considered a centrist by most right wingers. Most honest right wingers would oppose equality between the sexed if given the choice with no public outrage.
@@FazeParticles No shot. Pool is 10000% a right wing grifter. The only ones who would call him centrist are far-far-right people.
This entire conversation proves the problem. All these young people want to silence people who have ideas they don't like.
And they have also not read their history.
If you shoot an extremist giving a speech, you don't silence them, you make them a martyr.
And the political group that silences the opposition by any means including violence is by definition tyranical.
They're not really teaching anything other than gender and modern society activism these days it seems.
Like I knew all this from highschool not college or uni. Imagine that.
Exactly! And the idea of good people silencing bad people is brought up multiple times. Always from the arrogant moral stance that I'd make the right call, but the danger is always there that the wrong person would be making the call.
The real problem started when white society decided to hijack the term woke ( black slang invented during fight for equality in the early 1900s) and bastardized and politicized it for their own political agendas... The original meaning has been whitewashed like most idioms invented by People from the african diaspora.
@@carnage2332 Yeah, the dude is definitely the wrong person making the call. "My space" "Kill you". Etc.
Who doesn't? Conservatives are silencing the woke.
I specifically remember clips of Bret saying to the crowd “I’m an expert on evobio, I know why racism is wrong and I can debunk racist evolution arguments, let me show you”. For the girl to class it as it would be a lecture on “why blacks are inferior” is super underhanded.
Wait is this true? I didn't know who this Bret guy was when I watched the video
I don't expect you to have it but if you do, I'd love to see that clip
If I say that I don't accept the premise that God exists, then why would I want to engage with you in a conversation that has God as a premise? This is like a Christian understanding the atheist argument to be "you believe in God, you just don't like him".
@@ItssssJack You dont have to engage with that person, but you shouldnt barge into their classroom and shout at them and prevent them from speaking
She "knew" he was a racist and didn't care about anything that countered that. She always assumed Bret was motived by it or was always operating in bad faith.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 An *evolutionary biologist faced backlash for discussing evolutionary biology in relation to race, raising questions about the limits of free speech on campus.*
01:10 The *conversation revolves around whether "wokeness" has gone too far, with concerns about ideological orthodoxy stifling open debate.*
01:38 Progressives *are criticized for using the Paradox of Tolerance to suppress dissenting opinions, potentially limiting discourse and democracy.*
02:34 An *example is cited with Brett Weinstein facing backlash at Evergreen College for expressing disagreement with a proposed event excluding white people.*
04:58 Disagreement *arises over whether Brett Weinstein's offer to discuss "Race realism" was appropriate or if it went too far.*
07:20 The *discussion delves into the balance between free speech and sensitivity in academic environments.*
11:08 Anecdotes *are presented, like a study on puberty blockers, raising concerns about selective promotion of scientific literature to fit social agendas.*
12:06 The *debate extends to whether wokeness has translated into meaningful policies, with skepticism about its impact at the legislative level.*
13:19 A *discussion about the ideological imbalance in academia and potential suppression of diverse perspectives on college campuses.*
15:10 Concerns *are raised about the enforcement of ideological conformity on college campuses, limiting the diversity of thought and stifling uncomfortable discussions.*
15:53 The *discussion revolves around the challenges of refusing to platform certain ideas, citing Kamala Harris's call to ban Trump from Twitter in 2019.*
16:07 The *conversation shifts to the ideological changes in figures like Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, and the broader trend of cancel culture.*
16:48 The *difficulty of quantifying "wokeness" and the lack of empirical evidence for societal trends are discussed.*
17:15 An *argument is made that there is a growing number of complaints about non-conformity with progressive orthodoxy in academic settings.*
18:12 Tools *like appeals, HR, and the legal system are seen as available avenues to address cancel culture incidents.*
20:34 The *debate touches on the influence of social media, with a claim that it increasingly represents the views of the average American.*
21:45 Disagreement *arises over whether social media accurately reflects the opinions of average Americans.*
23:14 The *conversation suggests introducing antitrust measures as a potential solution to address perceived issues with wokeness and cancel culture.*
25:07 The *conversation takes a turn towards cultural influence, with a focus on the role of social pressure rather than government intervention.*
25:39 The *discussion delves into perspectives on cancel culture and the distinction between legitimate criticism and stifling free speech.*
26:22 The *interviewee expresses concerns about the spread of hateful ideologies and supports silencing those who engage in such rhetoric.*
27:45 The *speaker argues that canceling individuals who spread divisive views is justified, especially if they're not open to constructive dialogue.*
31:58 The *conversation explores the dynamics of online spaces and how the willingness to engage in dialogue affects ideological influence.*
32:54 Observations *on the differences between men and women can lead to conservative views, but progressives also vary on this issue, especially in the context of transgender discussions.*
33:23 Progressive *arguments sometimes involve nuanced perspectives, such as considering the effects of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) on gender identity. However, such discussions often involve a minority of the population (less than one percent).*
33:49 Conservatives *may choose lightning rod issues, while progressives might struggle by defending extreme positions, contributing to a cycle of anger and misunderstanding.*
34:18 Progressives *express justifiable anger, arguing that historical conservative rhetoric has fueled their reactions. However, the challenge is to engage in productive dialogue rather than resorting to extreme positions.*
35:00 Responding *to hate with hate is counterproductive; a more effective approach involves engaging with ideas and avoiding extreme reactions that may alienate public support.*
35:28 While *expressing anger may be justified in some instances, it is essential to find a balance and not escalate conflicts further.*
36:09 The *conversation shifts to the effectiveness of progressive movements. Despite agreement on many progressive policies, concerns arise about a potential snapback due to an unwillingness to engage with opposing views.*
37:34 Progressive *movements historically face conservative criticism, but the suggestion is to focus more on discussing the issues rather than asking movements to "chill out."*
38:44 The *conversation turns to the role of colleges in facilitating challenging conversations. While challenges are essential, the concern is that without effective responses, ideas can spread unchecked.*
39:55 The *importance of unequivocally disavowing violence in movements like BLM is highlighted, as defending such actions can be detrimental to the overall message.*
41:33 The *discussion extends to the power of ideas, emphasizing the need to confront and challenge them rather than opting for censorship.*
47:14 The *conversation debates whether giving a platform to certain ideas, even controversial ones, allows for democratic discourse or poses risks that need addressing.*
49:19 Trust *in the democratic process is at risk without engaging citizens in informed conversations about voting decisions.*
49:47 While *acknowledging some unjust cancellations, the speaker sees significant progress in social issues due to the woke movement, citing advancements like the acceptance of gay marriage.*
50:26 The *debate revolves around whether wokeness has gone too far, with one side arguing for substantial progress in a short time and the other expressing concerns about rigid social enforcement.*
51:36 The *discussion delves into the ethical and practical aspects of de-platforming individuals like Andrew Tate, questioning the effectiveness and potential shortcomings of such actions.*
53:31 A *comparison is drawn between conservative and progressive approaches to societal issues, emphasizing the need for nuanced perspectives rather than one-dimensional solutions.*
54:54 The *focus shifts to the mechanisms of social media and the potential for another figure like Andrew Tate to emerge if underlying issues are not addressed, pointing to the role of platforms in amplifying certain ideas.*
56:49 Concerns *are raised about the rapid growth and dissemination of certain ideologies, highlighting the importance of addressing the volume and presence of these ideas, especially among younger demographics.*
58:41 The *conversation explores the troubling nature of banning individuals based on interpretations of progressive orthodoxy, pointing out the lack of transparency in decision-making by social media platforms.*
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This is sick
this is really what you took away from this😂😂😂
@@yobootyhadmeded3022 "Made with HARPA AI" it's what the AI could recognize and pinpoint. Not good at reading are you?
I am so happy Destiny did this. I hope he does more IRL events
He's doing a similar thing with different topics at Texas A&M today, probably gonna livestream it
Steven Crowder has quite a few a these changes my mind open debates as well. Check them out, some of them are a great listen.
@@American_Trucker Thanks! I've seen a few of Steven Crowder "Change My Mind" events. I think he said he wouldn't be doing anymore. I think he said that, don't quote me on it.
“He was going to talk about how white genes are superior” *he can’t do that.
“You don’t know that, what if he explained how black genes are superior?”
“Well then we would have missed out on an excellent lecture”
With a f’n smile on her face
they *both* laughed when she said that, and it was loaded with sarcasm. like, seriously? lmao
@@geraldtoaster8541 and if you say the reverse joke you would be "canceled" for being problematic.
It’s a joke. Relax
@@mikemills326 It wasn't a joke. Given how bad faith she's been, I bet she actually believes that.
@@theinfinitevoidiscringe2819 I think you are cringe for believing this.
It's amazing how much hatred they have instilled into young peoples minds, by making their hatred having the mask of love and inclusiveness.
They can't even see their own face.
Manipulated delusional people. Sad thing to see
I thought that too. The irony is Destiny could have shot the second student and he could have had no complaint.
I found it weird that there was such a large amount of controvertible beliefs that they just assumed were self-evident and indubitable. It seems their self-righteousness has formed into a psychosis.
@@H.Hardrada Example of one of those beliefs?
I don’t think it’s hatred. I think it may go too far at times, but it’s not from a place of hate. I think it’s from a place of trying to protect others from being offended. It’s overprotective and goes too far but that’s where they are coming from.
If you were a Christian would you be comfortable with a group in your college that was anti Christian that made speeches about religious belief being pathological and kids being indoctrinated is child abuse and that religious parents shouldn’t be allowed to have children, etc?
im actually starting to become a fann, good stuff man
Me too and I just thought I was conservative
The first student is the epitome of the meme:
-X isn't happening
-OK X is happening a little
-X is happening, but it's actually a good thing
-Anyone who suggests limitations on X should be deplatformed
Yeah she's a egotistical cocky ignorant wokester
Yuuup
Well they do call themselves progressive
She's just masculine and rude.
@@miloe436 how is she masculine?
9:30 I love how she was upset at assuming the guy would say one race is superior but thrilled at the joke of another race being superior.
It’s almost like race is a socio-cultural construct that exists within a real historical context.
Ya i also commented on that. how disgusting of her.
They LIVE hypocrisy.
destiny is ripping off crowder and becoming a conservative day by day. why did it take this long? i thought he was supposed to be smart
@@cagneybillingsley2165 uhh not ripping off I don't think he claimed to have come up with change my mind. But ya he is becoming conservative because he's finally growing a brain lmao
As a moderate that borders conservative. I was recently exposed to Destiny through Lex Fridman. I must say i like some of his suggestions when it comes to educational institutions.
There were so many people that walked up and had barely any disagreements and/or were straight up fans just trying to talk with Stephen. LOVE that August clipped together and LED with the most combative/challenging discussion.
True it was so cringe every time a fan came up, knowing what the event was
If they were true fans, they would know that Destiny hates(little bit hyperbolic here) talking to people that basically agree with him on everything.
@@WanderTheNomad doesnt matter, they got to talk to strimmer man
This shit is so frustrating. These people are always goalpostshifting. First they say it's not happening. Then they say it's happening, but not enough to worry about. Then they say it's happening on a larger scale, but it's actually a good thing.
Yep, it's a game of finding whichever argument allows them to paint wokeness in a favourable light. They don't argue from first principles, or some set of strong values they hold, they argue from the assumption that what they're doing is good--and with that box ticked, they can argue in favour of just about any draconian tactics. I feel a lot of these people have a low resolution idea of what 'good' is and what it means to be a 'good person', and that is why they espouse the views they do, because they want to be a positive force/a good person, without ever really interrogating the ideals and narratives they are pushing, or what the implications are of the authoritarian methods that progressives are generally gravitating towards. It is very frustrating, but it is instilled dogmatically from a young age and I'm not sure what the antidote is.
@JPA_Fantasy You seem to be describing people on both sides, which is to say human nature
@@VeritableSmorgasbord Yep but the place where 'human nature' enters in, isn't the whole part of the argument I'm making. The reason those elements of human nature are so pertinent to my argument is that the side of 'wokeism' is developing an unprecedented ignorance to these fallibilities.
Since the culture they are promoting is so much more dogmatic, authoritarian, quasi-religious, rigid etc., it promotes a culture that doesn't allow space to recognise any possibility of being wrong (see: shut down of dissenting opinions, the need to control discourse, cancelling etc). It promotes a feeling that the cause they support is inherently good and therefore measures taken against the apostates are also good and justifiable. (Tying into this is a dehumanization of the other side to justify otherwise amoral ways of treating people.)
It completely goes against the underlying humility which lies at the bedrock of democracy and liberalism which both include a tolerance for a diverse set of views and the ability to challenge and be challenged. Once you think in these binaries of good vs evil, without any recognition of the complexity of the human condition or further still how a tolerant/harmonious society functions, then you are on a very bad trajectory.
I wouldn't think I was going out on a limb at all to say that much of that which I am describing is happening within in the progressive movement at far higher rates than any other significant political denomination you can think of. In fact, a whole generation is being encouraged and even taught to act in this way.
I've experienced this too but with the great replacement theory.
There's statistical data proving that it's a demographic certainty with current trends but they still deny it, once I put forward basic numbers they say "oh it's too slow to actually happen" I get into numbers in detail showing how it can happen in just 3 generations and they say "oh well maybe these trends will change" then I get into how it's just gonna get faster and they go "ok, why do you care? Racist" and it's so frustrating.
The irony behind these kids saying wokeism hasn’t gone far enough when they’re literally advocating for blocking speakers they disagree with, is mind blowing
Their opinions comes from standpoint theory, while the rest of the worlds opinions come from comparative accepted standards.
In standpoint theory it's the point of view of the person that takes precedent over all others. So if someone feels that something could be considered offensive in one context, then it IS offensive in all contexts. For example, the term "mankind."
On a more comparative standard, ppl accept things may be offensive in some contexts, that doesn't mean they should be considered offensive in all contexts.
So comparative standards has actual limits to its self for when some thing is a thing and when it's not, but stand point theory has no such restrictions.
It’s a problem that these people are so sure that they are right and are doing the right thing that they think that any criticism of there views is hatful and shouldn’t even be considered because in there mind they know that they are doing the right thing for the right reasons so anything else to them that doesn’t coincide with what they believe is wrong and therefore shouldn’t even be engaged with. It’s a perspective that is very damaging yet they can’t see it because in there head everything there saying is morally correct.
Exactly, they're blind to their own facism and it's wild lol.
Exactly…KIDS. They are kids. One moment of their life, one second, and hopefully being educated means they are self aware and will develop more nuanced outlooks as they mature. Regardless of political affiliation, I’d argue a well educated person who goes out and engages with the world has a better chance of maturing than one who does not.
I mean there's bound to be people like that but this doesn't mean wokeism has gone too far. Wokeism shouldn't even be a word. It's just a buzzword. People with opinions like that make up a very small percentage of progressives or even the left in general. The left is already diverse with their opinions compared to the right (who tend to think a lot more similarly). Im getting really tired of this narrative that wokeness is such an epidemic
I heard about destiny from Tim pool. I thought he would be super woke far left extreme. He actually sounds very reasonable here. I agree with him.
I’m conservative. While I have many fundamental disagreements with positions Destiny holds, he is easily the best progressive voice out there.
Dumbest take ever..... The best progressive voices are normal ppl. This dude is not normal....
I'm a paleo conservative libertarian, and I just find it frustrating how Destiny's always there to debate the most fringe freaks and somehow doesn't debate reasonable conservative leaning TH-camrs like Rattlesnake TV, Think Before You Sleep, Amala from Prager U...
I'm pretty sure those people would have no problem debating him, but no, he always finds these fringe no names that ACTUALLY hate the immigrants and gays and passes them as representative of the conservative opinion.
I think the fact that people like us 2 are watching his videos and then there's absolutely 0 leftists commenting on Ben Shapiro (even though here they are all very quick to say he's "low standard") or Dave Rubin or whatever proves that we on the right are actually far more reasonable and open to debate.
@@matiyev I agree with this. I like how destiny mentioned that conservatives are looking for "lightning rod" issues, yet he himself tends to debate "lightning rod" personalities and topics.
@@zekego he will debate anyone not on his personal life backlist
Being well spoken doesn't inherently mean you're intelligent. At least he can communicate like an adult, unlike the overwhelmingly vast majority of liberal minded people.
As a conservative I truly respect your move of going out there and presenting this view to progressives and challenge them to consider their take on it- you’re by far the most sane person and tempered in your opinions on talking about these things which I find is sorely lacking in campuses and you’re one of the people that actually thinks things through so even if I disagree with a lot of your takes it’s refreshing to hear them
Destiny is courageous and principled. The part of wokeness he's speaking out against is bullying and unprincipled.
Destiny for president 😅
I'm a conservative. Just learned of this guy. I actually like him
buddy thought adding “as a conservative” was going to make it point sound any less stupid
@yobootyhadmeded3022 buddy named yobootyhadmeded thought using a personal attack on someone was going to make him sound smart. Quite the opposite 🤡
The first conversation proves Destiny's whole point.
The Professor, who is an expert in the subject at hand, offers to have an informed and educational discussion within his specific field.
Before he even voices his expertise or opinion, she assumed he was going to go straight to fernology/Hyper racist race-realism. for no reason. And viewed that as reason enough to cancel him.
Like bruh please reboot your brain
This is my biggest problem with this type of person. They automatically assume the very worst of everyone, especially if they deem that person to be "on the other side". I highly, HIGHLY doubt Weinstein was about to get up there and be like "Well actually, black people are inferior because..." The guy was a tenured professor at very progressive school. At least give him SOME benefit of the doubt first. Jeez. The negative mindsets of these people is what I can't stand.
Shes a complete femoid
They judge others by their own standards. You cant see goodness in others if there none of it in you
@@soilent9618 i doubt it too, but what other implication is there of responding to your workplace’s racial sensitivity exercise with a proposal to discuss “race and evolutionary biology?” of fucking course people would be sussed out by that lmfao.
@@deep_and_profound_topics Even when someone is sus, at least let them clarify themselves first and let them do the thing to see whether your suspicions were right, nothing terrible would come out of that, worst case scenario they ll just publicly expose their prejudices.
Asks for examples, gets examples, complains they’re just anecdotes…
The first girl has done nothing to share her point literally all she did was put words in destiny’s mouth and then never shared her own opinion but every time destiny brings up a point she questions the shit out of him. Like damn lady this is a debate not gaslighting contest.
She does explain right at the outset that it’s Destiny that made the positive/active claim, therefore the burden of proof is on him. I think she’s pretty terrible but that is the reason why the discussion is the way it is
@@jamesharper5850 I think she has more responsibility to defend positions that he's criticizing and that's what she was supposed to be doing there.
@@jamesharper5850
No tenured philosopher would agree that /only/ positive claims require substantiation. The fact is that ALL claims (positive or negative) assume the same burden of proof.
He claims (X), he has assumed a burden of proof. She claims (not-X), she has assumed a burden of proof.
The belief that "only positive claims assume a burden of proof" is remarkable evidence of the lack of basic philosophical grounding among youth today.
She explained at the beggining that she was not going to make any sort of positive arguments, she then proceeded to dismiss Destiny's examples as "anecdotes" (very funny coming from the side that is all about "lived experience" in academia) and problematize Destiny's questioning as some sort of dangerous thing. She did not provide any opinions of her own, nor will she be able to. She has Critical Consciousness (i.e wokeness)
You mean like when Destiny claimed she said the professor shouldn't be allowed to lecture at all, when she didn't say that? You clearly have bias in your ears.
It's crazy how everyone of these people clearly believe that most people are too stupid to make their own decisions.
Probably necause they are too stupid
She's proof they are, tho
A lot of people are, just look at most people on the left. Theyre too scared to think for themselves bc they'll be given every bad label under the books.
Haha that is true though.
Actual Fascism
Saying Brett wants to talk about "Race Realism" is a gross mischaracterization
mischaracterization? thats literally what race realism is bruh. you may not like the term but that is its definition
@@kaleb51 Brett was gonna DEBUNK race realism, don’t be dishonest
@kaleb As much a douche Brett has turned into, I’ve never heard him use any of the race realism talking points that you associate with alt-righters
@@kaleb51 Evolutionary biology is race realism? Brett made it clear that he disagrees with race realist assertions. The fact that she thinks he would talk in support is telling tbh.
@@kaleb51 You clearly have never heard him talk about the subject or you're just lying
Wow, the first student is absolutely insufferable. Condescending to Destiny in a way he is not to her, and making broad assumptions about the motives of the Evergreen professor and what he would or wouldn't have said given his educational expertise. And acting like Evolutionary Biology is somehow in the same realm as Phrenology. Just ouch.
we 100% need more of these Steven... awesome work!
Is this a alter ego of crowder?
@@fupoflapo2386 Different fortnite skin