Hello you savages. Get a free list of my 100 favourite books - chriswillx.com/books/ Here's the timestamps: 00:00 Destiny’s Experience on Piers Morgan 01:24 What is the Future of Mainstream Media? 10:40 The Death of Sub-Groups 15:53 Reflecting on the Bud Light Scandal 25:57 Are We More Bothered About Ridiculing Than Finding Truth? 36:05 What is the Point of Debating? 41:15 Have We Passed Peak Woke? 49:54 Reacting to Google’s Gemini AI Disaster 1:00:05 Is the Left More Unified Than the Right? 1:04:36 What Destiny Thinks of Alex Jones 1:07:15 The Downfall of the Red Pill Movement 1:12:52 Impact of Destiny’s ADHD Diagnosis 1:21:25 The Public Criticism of Destiny’s Relationship 1:25:44 Explaining Destiny’s Beef with Vaush 1:27:46 The Downsides of Being a Streamer 1:34:10 Pros & Cons of Going to College 1:38:41 Predicting the US Election 1:48:30 Society is Searching for Authenticity 1:53:42 Content Reflects What People Click On 2:02:39 What’s Next for Destiny
You guys dismiss the Red Pill movement. And I understand some of what you're saying. But what you both fail to realize is that its becoming stale and repetitive because you can't move past the red pill unless there is consensus and acknowledgement on both sides of the truths its trying to show. There is still half the people who want to say the realities the red pill are pointing out aren't true. So thats why you end up in a merry-go-round of repeated content
@@DeadpoolX9 In a recent video he told his youtube viewers that he hates than meme and will start banning people if they post it, so it needed to evolve rapidly.
In the 50s, the manual for your car told you how to change the belts. Now they tell you not to drink the fluids. We are definitely not as smart as we used to be.
*I totally agree that there does seem to be a toxic online culture that condescends to people who have regular 9-5 jobs. Some of these entrepreneur influencers act as if regular people are crazy or stupid for simply valuing their free time and their social life more than money.*
@blarpgan3641 Amen to that. Honestly, it's so liberating to truly know that working yourself to the bone to make money isn't the key to a good life. In my opinion, all you need is health, safety, 3 good friends, romance, and the freedom to indulge in whatever brings you joy. This requires you to have *"enough"* money, and of course the meaning of "enough" can vary, but you certainly don't need to be rich to be fulfilled, and you don't need to work more than 40 hours a week.
Yeah and also to mention the fact that society is pretty much built on people who work 9-5. If everybody left to be a ‘entrepreneur’ the world would crumble
This is only a small part of the core problem which is the malignant profit culture that Americans have been sold as being their national identity. This one cultural ideology pushes every differing opinion off the edge of being tolerable because the premise of your culture is that everyone is trying to achieve maximum selfishness in order to win in society. Therefore, no one can be trusted. Congradulations on that. Mission achieved Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and every administration starting with Ronald Reagan.
All of this falls into the same argument I had with a buddy of mine. He said that anyone who's satisfied with a blue collar job is an idiot and would never get anywhere. My point was that most infrastructure is maintained and built by blue collar workers and good tradesmen can make enough money to have a good life. I, since he was directing the argument at me since I'm a comms electrician, love working with my hands, so going white collar would make me miserable even if I made more money.
Good analysis. But honestly people just parrot things. If you dig down a few feet you quickly see that nobody understands why they believe things. I mean other than- people I like support this thing so it is inherently correct. Oh, the hubris.
When we argue about things that used to be common sense and don't have the common sense to even know what common sense is anymore. We are a generation of idiots. We've regressed into arguments about basic things, when we could be tackling real problems and truly advancing the world in better ways. It's a major slap in the face to prior generations who sacrificed so much so we could get to this point. Only to waste it on pointless contentions.
Never say "Have we reached peak stupidity?" Never never never say it. It's like asking "What's the worst that can happen?" or saying "I've made this thing idiot proof." The universe takes it as a challenge and out-stupids your worst imaginings.
Destiny is such a mixed bag. He's one of the few people I watch who i believe is genuinely himself. The problem is he can go from being spot on to completely clueless depending on what he's talking about.
Yeah. He'll have you at first with an accurate and incisive description of why things are the way they are only to then veer off into bizarro land takes that contradict what he was just saying.
On the ADHD: My 27 yo son has recently opened himself up to the understanding that he has ADHD. It has been an evolution for him that has allowed him to understand that he is not the "loser" he thought he was. He was constantly questioning why he struggled with some basic tasks, and now he is more accepting of himself and allowing some grace. It has been life changing to eliminate the negative self-talk.
That's awesome to hear. I hope he finds a great path that works for him moving forward. Everyone's different, even among those with ADHD. And while I'm not sure if you've played many video games before, I'll mention a video game analogy to ADHD, that an old friend once told me. The way he described his ADHD was like an inherent modifier on his person, that most didn't really have: "Deal 2x the damage, receive 2x the damage." I'm not much of a gamer myself, but the point was that his ADHD wasn't necessarily good or bad. That weakness may be 2x as difficult to deal with, and it can be hard to make any progress without getting a better handle on it. One may get a slower start, and end up "falling behind" as a result, maybe even far more than what you feel should be the case, just like he did through high school and somewhat beyond. When he started to figure himself out, it was like he performed 2x as well at everything he approached. Doesn't mean things weren't messier than most, but at a glance, he'd seem like he was "lucky" or simply "gifted." He wasn't. His mind just operated a lil differently, and while he once despised this, he now wouldn't have it any other way. I'm still working my way towards feeling the same, and I hope I'm getting there, in whichever form that may take for me. And the same for your son, in whichever form it may take for him.
Tell him the only requirement is exercise non-stop..like take up dancing or singing so every minute he has alone he's not playing video games but pracicing something with his body..drums..guitar..skateboard...anything OUT of the house and using the body. Otherwise he'll end checking himself into the ER psych ward like I did when I was a coder. We gotta move or we get really angry, anxious, depressed, bored...rageful, insulting, impatient...narcissistic, dismissing, lol....i could on.
I’m doing the same thing now with my recent ADHD diagnosis but it seems basically impossible to do anything but the negative self-talk. I’m not comfortable with literally anything else. I know have positive traits and redeeming characteristics, reasons to be proud of myself. Other people like me and will tell me as much. But I can’t treat myself that way because if I do, I worry I’ll get complacent. I feel like I have to be my harshest critic and my own arch nemesis so that somebody holds me accountable. Nobody is gonna be better at holding me accountable than me
For the ADHD stuff, since we can't fully figure out the brain. If you appear 'normal' then people think you have no defects whatsoever. People really only believe in stuff that is obvious like Schizo, Diabetes, Seizures. For some reason, we just become hyper-skeptical to anything we can't see since internal experience is subjective. Even chronic pain people or people with high anxiety get the same criticism. Really annoying to deal with.
That's a combined effect from those masking to appear normal and the tons of un-diagnosed crying wolf to explain away their lack of self-development. For an outside observer it can seem exaggerated, because some of it is and some of it is hidden.. It's kind of like how often you'll hear someone claim they're introverted, but they're definitely not.
@@Baconbits16i mean im autistic my life hasnt been the best I stress about anything easily One of my other friends who has autism says ive most likely got it worse then him even though we are both .. functional i guess .. i do have one friend who says its not that bad because im not like that one kid who slaps their perants when they sneese or are loud ..... Even though i have the urge to pumch peoples cars when they honk or have a dick measuring contest in the middle of the road Dont get me started on people who litter But yeah ive seen the videos of people faking so so much its unbelievable Im aware i havent got it the worst but it definitely does affect me
_"For some reason, we just become hyper-skeptical to anything we can't see since internal experience is subjective"_ Ha! I wish! Look up the "do you believe in god" polls here on YT. 80% answer yes. So, yeah. Also, "we should become hyper-skeptical to anything we can't see", as in, we should be skeptical and not believe it until it's demonstrated to us beyond reasonable doubt and educate ourselves on what demonstrate and beyond reasonable doubt mean. Only then we should believe things, before that it's "I don't know". For example, I. Ask me if I believe in ADHD. I don't know enough about the problem to answer that I know for a fact, but I believe in it, because I trust the doctors, same as I believe in cancer, but I haven't seen those myself, but there's enough evidence for me to believe that they're true.
You don’t have to go any further than the comments of this very video to validate the title. Destiny: gives amazing points on the issues with both sides and the actual problem with society Comments: DesTIny iS a Gurls NAmE 🤤 Fuck me, we are so screwed
@@mrpotifar COrrect. IDK why podcasts so often look like shit with the amount of money they have sometimes...I see fellow videographer TH-camrs who get maybe 10,000 views having better looking video product. But I guess it's the content that sell and the the picture. To be honest I just listen and don't watch 99% of the time.
@@fitzgeraldfilmsMN Yeah Just filming a conversation worked for Rogan but doesn’t work anymore. Newcomers have to compete in some way, it’s a nice thing though.
ADHD doesn’t mean you can’t focus on anything, it means you can’t focus on things you don’t want to. It is a lack of ability to consciously curtail your focus to accomplish things you have to do but don’t want to do.
Hearing destiny talk about adhd is similar to getting diagnosed with narcolepsy. I just thought everyone else was handling being that tired all the time way better and I couldn’t figure out how.
I’m also narcoleptic (and I have ADHD too) and I can second this! Before learning I had it, I just didn’t get how other people could do so much throughout the day and not seem like they’re about to collapse 😂
Destiny came off as human, thoughtful, and reasonable. I could disagree all day long with him, yet still find common ground and work together on those issues.
This. I feel he presents himself as having thought these things through deeply, but really only provides quite superficial and reductive thinking. For example, stating he doesn’t have a political affiliation (but xlearly states he’s left leaning) and says he’s happy to change his mind based on evidence but Ben Shapiro wouldn’t? Where’s the evidence to suggest such. He doesn’t give others the same grace he gives himself. But, I did find this very interesting
@@MsChampagneSanityyou completely missed the point, his main point was that he will not lose money for stating an opinion that’s affiliated with a specific political leaning, and you can see this over the course of his career.(getting banned on twitch for trans issues). Or how he was also hyper attacked by the left for his BLM takes. And he still finds a way to take these unpopular opinions within his “group” (ex;israel v Palestine). However with Ben Shapiro his whole company is based off being conservative and the identity of the daily wire is conservatism which can only lead you to believe that the success of Ben’s company will pressure him to take certain positions
@@skenderdokovic I did understand this. It is well known the daily wire isn’t left, but it does also house centrist views too and those of the silent majority (hence its meteoric rise). The reason I say this is because within its own house, creators have butted heads and disagreed. Vehemently. Ben, I feel, would follow the “facts” if say, the science or literature reflected it. However, he is a religious human and takes a hard bias stance in some (not all) cases. He’s been vocal against and for trump for example, pro and against many other issues. It’s not as clean cut to suggest he simply wouldn’t change his mind. As if it’s set in stone. I think he’d agree. But would he change from right (or centre right or libertarian) to left? Absolutely not. There’s nuance missing from destinys argument. That was MY point. That you missed.
On ADHD. For any parents who feel like Destiny did, thinking because their kid can focus on video games he must not qualify as ADHD. ADHD is not the inability to pay attention. It is a deficient ability to DIRECT your attention where you want it to go. It is more difficult for an ADHD person to direct their attention toward something that is low stimulation (homework+hygiene). It is also more difficult for an ADHD person to direct their attention away from something that is high stimulation (videogames).
ADHD is a fake diagnosis. Just a side effect from growing up on modern media and constant distraction in life. Over stimulated kids. most of us have "it". who cares. "ADHD" is meaningless.
The 'team sports' "either you're with us or against us" shit has literally driven me so far off the edge of online politics that I don't even bother anymore. I used to be willing to roll around in the mud with anybody but in the last year or two it's literally only been trying to play janitor to my own side and simultaneously prove that I'm not the second coming of hitler. I'm just going to do my thing and stay out of it until the needle shifts back to a more reasonable place.
The needle will not be shifting back to a more reasonable place any time soon. At least not without hell on earth being unleashed first. Truly I mean that because if things go that bad....more accurately when things do go that bad. There will be nowhere to hide or shelter either alone or with family and friends. The more people in your group the more likely you are to be targeted. A war now would be everywhere simultaneously and it will be ultra violent compared to what we've "seen" so far. For one thing, we've almost reached the point where they no longer need any of us left alive to do their work. That's what we know, so more than likely they've already reached that point and surpassed it. You're right though, to a point, society does behave as a pendulum most of the time. Things get pushed too far and then eventually there is a pullback, a correction. However, there are also extreme cases when the pullback is consistently deficient to correct the initial tangent. This is exactly what we've seen over the last 15-25 years. When this happens think of the pendulum of a clock, now imagine that clock is sitting in a canoe and a 300lb unathletic asthmatic is attempting to haul himself up and back into the canoe. He just keeps pulling down and down and down never letting up, which buries the pendulum far to one side. Everyone knows how that story is going to end. Eventually that grandfather clock is gonna tip all the way over, smack chubby Michael Phelps on the head, render him unconscious and he's going to drown. Have no fear, society is actually the canoe, the people alive today, yeah they're actually the fat guy, they're fkd. But the canoe will float away, probably get knocked around in the stream a little and eventually either turn upright or find it's way to shore. Unless there's a massive waterfall. Or a series of them.
the truth hurts, but this hits so hard. More left leaning people confuse American Patriotism with Nazi Nationalism and its a complete joke in terms of ideology because they're so different in how one is so welcoming and the other is so not only gatekeeping but authoritarian to the point of world domination.
ADHD stuff hit me hard. When it came up I was like ADHD is bullshit and by the end of that segment, I think I might have it. Literally every single thing Destiny said I experience regularly. The test scores thing especially, I was in the 5th percentile when it came to testing but literally never did homework and finished high school with 2.7 GPA
The issue with this is that so many people share these symptoms and a lot of the time, it's our society that forces us to act like that... probably the reason why ADHD self diagnosis has boomed in the last 5 years.
Not joking. I read the last part of your comment as, "Not just flirting" --wouldn't that be a fun world. I do agree with your observation. It seems like meaningful conversations are happening more lately, with more attention.
boy do i disagree with destiny on so many things but absolutely love learning from his perspectives. He actually has developed my nuance in opinions in many ways. moral of the story its important to consume opposing opinions and actually contemplate them
This is one of the few occasions I had to change the speed to 0.75 because I found Destiny’s speech almost incoherently fast. I’m not surprised he eventually went to see someone and was prescribed medication, he seems wound up like a spring. I also thought it was positive that he admitted advising people to cut off toxic parents was wrong. Each person’s family is unique and it’s incredibly difficult to advise even your closest friends on matters like these. Podcasts on ‘values’ have to tread very carefully. I feel like Chris walks this tightrope very well. His good friend Alex O’Connor is also very good at negotiating the pitfalls of modern values and the debates concerning them.
Well to give some counterweight. I'm a libertarian, I don't agree with Destiny on many things goverment related, but I do really appreciate his duedilligence and commitment to the truth. Ridiculous to disregard him for his hair color, his (personal) lifestyle choices and him having a girl name
@@three_owl_night ideally, the person's values would determine their lifestyle, but you can't logically argue the other way around. someone in an open relationship could believe one of (at least) two opposite views: 1. they believe that individuals are best capable of deciding the arrangements that best suit their preferences; or 2. they believe that open relationships are the one best arrangement (by some metric) and they should be mandatory. Both beliefs are mutually exclusive, a person who believes in either on them could be in an open relationship. So lifestyle doesn't necessarily seem very informative of a person's values
I've seen Destiny interviewed elsewhere and not really enjoyed it, but this was a great interview. Chris, you really brought out the nuances in his thinking, and a lot of what he said really resonated with me this time 😄
@phutureproof the irony of what you’ve just said, in light of them talking about the enforcement of homogenous bias across groups is funny. “Blue hair bad, I no listen to blue hair”.
Destiny is correct that with complexity comes more ability to insert bullshit explanations from outside like wild conspiracies, but the flipside of that is that complex organisations also hide information from within as well. That is members in large heirarchies lose direct contact with the costs of their actions and will have an incentive to reap benefits that push risks onto others, while obscured by the complexity. Actual conspiracies, corruption, incompetence, and moral hazards are therefore all bound to increase with the scale.
At the moment for me, Destiny is the most interesting and complex characters on the Social Medias. He's obviously highly intelligent and his thoughts and ideas are quite vast and diverse. He came from a very different background than myself so it's cool to see how he sees his world. I do see a few things where he is terribly misinformed and it's very frustrating to see someone that smart say such dumb things and have 100% confidence in the statements. Very interesting dude, thanks for having him on. It's good for us to see differing viewpoints then we have a better understanding on how the other side thinks so we can best communicate with them on that level to hopefully bridge the gap of understanding. Great stuff as always Chris!
@@Pezerinno His take on Jan 6th. Some of his Trump takes are way off just with facts really. It's very strange to hear someone talk and talk and talk with such logic and sense then they talk Trump or similar and they sound like they've lost their minds. I'm pretty sure they will research Trump Derangement Syndrome in Universities in the future. It's truly fascinating.
@@dumbguydepot304 Hes done so much rersearch at this point into jan 6 i guarantee you he knows way more than you. Anyone he brought on stream to debate about it he completely dismantled them so idk wth you are talking about
@@nozers He still calls it an Insurrection. It wasn't. Because they (secret service or the Capital police or DOJ or similar) basically delayed the crucial information from being released to the Senate or whomever was in charge of the FOI for the date had to wait 2 + years to learn about the claims made. So no, he obviously doesn't have the same information I have (maybe since those interviews etc he has learned about these developments, I'm not sure) but he's basing everything on typical MSM reporting. But we know this is by design. The media just spews garbage to spin the story. Most people then believe what they're told. When the truth finally comes out years later the damage has been done which was the entire point.
We all know who would play Peter Dinklage in a movie about Peter Dinklage. I think we also know that same person could play Destiny, though he'd be shorter.
I have no idea who this guy is. I’m 1 min in and just by judging his mannerisms and demeanour I can tell I don’t like him. Are these signs and markers or am I just a dick?
I truly feel dumber. I feel like I've lost wisdom I had as a teen. I don't know if my pursuit of hearing other experiences and perspectives has let me allow the vortex of the internet influence me too much or what. Don't like it.
Society has become unmoored from values that used to be a given. The feeling you’re thinking of is closer to destabilization or ungrounding than stupidity - imo.
I'm not really understanding how you feel dumber. Can you give examples? I definitely don't relate so I would like to understand what you mean. I personally feel more educated, focused in my beliefs/values, and enlightened than ever.
"This is such a good conversation" comments are incredibly significant, because it's a response to where we are at as a society right now. People agree that it is more important to create meaningful dialog between people who disagree with each other than to determine a "winner" and we are trying to incentivize and promote that kind of dialog. Once we get to a place where we feel there is enough respect between people who disagree and that we've reduced the amount of polarization, we'll be able to talk more about the content of the conversations themselves.
Yess, i have read a book on polarisation and its sooo important to start at a common ground and have discussions without trying to win. Then after you can do that you can discuss conflict resolution and get into the weeds. Book is inside polarisation by bart brandsma i believe
Yeah the guy is actually a lot sensible compared to the rest of the leftwing political commentators. He gets a lot of hate from the left because of this.
@@tristenatorplaysgames6833 Goth and Emo were separate subcultures before Emo just become a fashion movement separate from the original subculture and Goth is sorta going that way but the Gothic overlap with the metal community is leading to harder gatekeeping to keep the subculture focused so it may dilute a bit but I don't think it'll be as much of a lost cause/disconnect the 2000s Emo movement was/is.
I enjoy listening to Destiny. I don't usually agree with his political takes but it's easy to see that they come from principles and a genuine belief in good. His most valuable insight, in my opinion, is into topics like the Internet, content creators, and gaming. These are in his wheelhouse. It was great to hear his thoughts about ADHD and especially Jordan Peterson at the end.
This is insanely true. When the recent conflict in Israel/Palestine started, I was absolutely shocked about how many people on the internet just dont allow you do NOT have a black and white opinion. You gotta be either "the holocaust supporting jew killer", as the people who chose isralel call the others, or you gotta be the "the genocide supporting palestinian killer" as the palestine supporters call you. If you come and say "I dont know, I dont have enough knowledge to form a black and white opinion and I just hate seeing innocent people of either side suffering", then EVERYONE foking hates your guts. Its completely bonkers.
Destiny's point about Peterson is the same way I feel. I was an early listener to Jordan and relly loved his lectures, but lately, I can't be bothered to listen to him as much, although I haven't lost all respect for him, but he's not as compelling as he was at the beginning.
@@deriznohappehquite It's the Anti-Depressant Saga. The stuff he took is just awful, I know lots of people with depression they stay as far away from "Benzos" as they can.
I'll preface with I'm not the most supportive of Destiny. In the long run, he has proven, for me, to be an overly confident ideologue himself. He can talk his way around most criticism and chooses to castigate views unapproving of his own (specifically anti-establishment perspectives), all while really providing nothing more than standard/stale status quo line talking points and "I'll have to look into that" without the intention of ever really doing so. Not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, he is a great debater and most can agree with the more rational points he makes. The autistic charm cannot outweigh the burden of moralistic integrity -- which is lacking when taken as a whole, over the course of giving him attention.
@@WonderFilledMedia is that an ideology? I dunno if that's even a hard committed rule but generally the Republicans these days are wild and especially at a fed level the margins are thin so I can understand it from a pragmatic standpoint just to get anything done than sure. I dunno if this qualifies him as an ideolog tho really?
Excited for this one, I genuinely have learned from both Chris and Destiny and agree with neither 100 but find a lot if value in their thought processes.
Destiny is part of the reason for that happening. His position has been defending his tribe even in the face of counter evidence. He cannot whine about lack of nuance when he contributed to creating that world.
@@inthegutterstaringathestars give 1 example, i dare you I double dare you. Leftists say he only shits on the left and conservatives says he only shits on the right. Why is that?
@@bosmith6992Complains about how socialists like Wolf will never answer a question straight, instead going on meandering tangents, yet when asked "What is a woman" he does the exact same thing.
@@bosmith6992Oh well. If you double dare me then I guess I am forced to provide any answer. Typical Destiny fan. "Muh sources."? Do you actually want actual examples or should I just make them up like your hero does?
Wow, whoever does the video/lighting for these shots deserves every cent they make. Really beautiful work. I don't think I've seen anything this clean on youtube before. Bravo 👍
This is so beautifully filmed, no stupid 3/4 shots, just 4 (or 3) beautifully placed cameras in a prettily crafted setting. It's perfect cinematic work. Raise these lads salary, they outdid themselves.
I would assume by now, he would refer to himself by his real name vs. his StarCraft name. Then again, I suppose if his gamer tag was bananaeater83 he would go back to Steve.
Destiny misses the point on the kind of power that “woke” has. It’s not (for the most part) legislative power. It’s not the power that comes from genuine consensus (I think he’s right that most democrats aren’t on board with the more insane excesses of it). But it has completely captured cultural institutions, and is being policed in the workplace via fear of ostracism -it’s not that most of the people doing it genuinely believe this nonsense, it’s that everyone knows what’s in store for them if they question it. At the end of the day, that is MORE powerful than the “squad” getting legislation passed.
The only reason why woke people took everything in the cultural part of society is because conservative people have decided to leave all forms of art. If you want conservative to have more importance in the cultural space, just start promoting conservative artists/entertainers because that's the people who create culture
@@zacharyleduc5392 I’m not a conservative. The conservative/liberal framing of this shit is boneheaded. Woke is 100% illiberal, and anyone who calls themselves liberal who genuinely supports this Orwellian nonsense doesn’t know what the word means.
@@kristiansandsmark2048 Whether or not that’s your experience might hugely depend on what industry you work in. If it’s humanities academia or the arts, for example, strict adherence to nonsensical bullshit is still a requirement of remaining employed and avoiding total ostracisation by your community.
C'mon man, you need to get with the times... Dude, just install ad-block. Literally takes less than 1 minute unless you're really really dumb. If you want to support certain creators, you can temporarily disable ad-block.
At 1:04:25 when Chris mentions "the guy with the neon green behind him," please tell me I'm not the only one who thought for a second he was talking about Aris lmao
As much as I want to disagree with Destiny, he has some measured reasonable takes. But I don’t like how he dismisses certain concerns; basically he said the issue of people defending bad ideas is the actual epidemic, and not the bad ideas themselves. Wellllll those bad ideas are becoming policies. I think certain things are a bigger concern than he cares to admit.
@@onlyeveryone2253 Not blind; just semi-illiterate. "do" is a verb so opposite applies to "name". Hence, your requests was: "can you not name a reasonable take?", which I did with ease. I suspect you meant "Can you name the opposite", but guessing intent is alsmot as perilous as guessing pronouns, so I avoid it.
What you learn in college is how to learn. You learn how to research, you learn a process. What you learn is secondary, how to learn is primary. The equation you learn is more valuable than the variables. In college, you learn a state of mind; a mindset. Discipline.
28:35 My friend just told me he was an ideologue the other day, and its really made me question whether I even want to be around him anymore for this very reason lol. It makes me so angry when someone decides an ideology just defines them without failure. Even if you hold a belief for your entire life, you should be open throughout that time to other ideas in case a change needs to be made. This example explains exactly why.
I feel like Destiny is a prime example of an incredibly smart person that made the mistake of starting with a conclusion then finding evidence to support it... And, because he's very witty, he's extremely adept at creating incredibly strong debate points which allows him to reinforce the idea that he's right on whatever point. Then, he tells himself he's accurate on the point because he acknowledged a single bias tangentially related to the topic. I'm saying this as a point of self-reflection that I've personally fallen for this trap and I'm likely not even half as smart as people like Destiny.
@@balalaika852 If you read the whole comment, notably the last paragraph, I explain why and also that it has nothing to do with what opinion Destiny holds.
Well said. And he doesn’t really have any principles or personal beliefs, just that there are people with “fringe” ideas who should be made to look like fools (for views). His recent attempts to do this to well respected and accomplished people shows the limits of this superficial worldview.
@@islandsquare I can't say I watch his main content. My main exposure to him is from him as a guest on other people's shows, where he always comes off as incredibly articulate and sounds rational/reasonable... Until you start listening carefully and realize he's only just rational/reasonable enough to claim he's being rational/reasonable, if that makes sense. And, again, I'm saying this more as a self-criticism, as seeing that made me realize I have been doing the exact same thing for years.
19:40 - I wish Destiny would qualify what he means when he says "vaccines". Most everyone would and are still on board with the vaccines that are administered during childhood like DTaP, RSV, Polio, HepB etc. I think Covid falls outside that category, and into the category of things like Varicella, the Flu, and HPV. Particularly with the Flu shot, I'd be willing to bet the deed to my house that Destiny, and people our age, 20s - 40s have not gotten the flu shot a single time once they left high school, and only ever got another dose during covid, simply because they were hedging.
This is part of liberal newspeak. Merge meaning, confuse the issue. I mean there are people alive today that think a divorced mother is a “single parent”.
I get the impression that he's like a lot of devout atheists, where he projects a lot of his resentment for his parents towards religion and conservatives as a way to explain away his dislike for them. "It's not their fault. They're just brainwashed." Etc.
@@deriznohappehquite Cool, those people are so far in the minority they aren't worth talking about. They almost certainly have gotten childhood vaccines regardless.
@@SlamDunkerDonkeyhe’s definitely referring to Kyle. His set usually has a green tint and he’s more closely associated to Krystal and Sagar. David Pakman uses blues/gray background.
Destiny's got a pretty good point about college. I think if you have a good plan and get a STEM degree or a similar degree in something you know will be an asset in the job market, it's probably the way to go, unless you take on too much debt. College is also a really good place to meet people and learn how to socialize. Nothing wrong with great community colleges or trade schools either.
What’s amazing is Destiny not 2 days ago grilled Candace when she said Americans are getting dumber. Great evidence of her claim in the debate, that Destiny is a pure contrarian. One of the most well articulated, intelligent delusional people I’ve ever heard debate.
That’s because she said so many dumb things, and within that context, he was right to challenge her. Saying that people are becoming dumber in general is different from saying “…and so that’s why school is bad”. She is probably the most dishonest personality out there, and that’s saying a lot. Destiny also said that people are just acting dumber due to social pressures, but when you press them, most have the ability to think more critically.
Give me some examples of the so many dumb things she said. Interesting that you so cleanly separate the overall intelligence of youth today from education. I would love to also hear why the relationship between school and general intelligence is not one to be considered.
Crickets. And I thought, like you said, when pressed better critical thinking would kick in. Maybe your silence is evidence you were correct in that assertion?
@@arnfracc203 Because the education system isn't the only way people learn... what? How people think and view the world are shaped by a variety of things. One big example are parents. The education system can be effective, and in general people still be less intelligent. Candace Owens claiming school bad because people dumb is incredibly illogical.
@@paulcashew5795 I agree with you that parenting is a significant practice that is also failing many kids. Sure, there are plenty of real life skills and lessons school cannot teach you that parents and other elders/peers can teach you along the way. But to deny that school is where a majority of knowledge is obtained is incredibly illogical, not the opposite. Why are you trying so hard to deconstruct established functions of a societal institution?
Because everything Destiny disagrees with are just "talking points" or "popular soundbites", if somebody he agrees with does it, it's just brushed over. He's making his side "complex and deep" while everyone on the right is a caricature of themselves. That's how he's making you believe what you believe and automatically delegitimize any opposing comment in your mind. I'm actually very close to center, and i love watching Destiny, but when he talks about biases of other people he fails to realize that he has strong biases too. If a right wing person speaks he would always take a position of "well lets explore how this may be wrong interpretation" if someone on his side speaks, his position is "well lets selectively find clues that support our opinion"
@@theonexx762 This isn't true. He has broken off almost every left leaning connection because he doesn't agree with them. Hassan, vaush, and Mr. Girl. He unilaterally applies his standard unlike you who just write bullshit about stuff you know nothing about.
@@ihatehandles6969wtf r u talking about lol him having drama with a few big names (for very justified reasons I think) doesn’t mean he’s cut himself off from every left leaning content creator
This is a very important conversation, and this guy is freaking brilliant. Damn Chris, thank you for this. I laughed so hard and learned so much. I am in the middle of my masters degree, and I have no regrets.
He is a political debater, so your first real exposure to him is usually when the content creator you watch goes against him. If they lose or are exposed their fans dislike Destiny. It's an inherently adversarial role, and since he's very good at it, everyone from conservatives to leftists hate him.
Destiny absolutely does judge people. Wtf are you even saying? And what's wrong with judging people? If a biker approaches me in an alley with a knife drawn should I not judge him?
I’m just glad to see two mortal enemies actually sit down and talk. I don’t have anything to say about the talk, it’s just important that I acknowledge they did in fact talk, despite their wildly different views. Kudos.
great to see this interview. Most of the media would have us believe that you 2 are opposing ends of this made up tension between woke and alt right but to see you 2 share a platform is refreshing
I like at 1:01:00 when Destiny admits that all of his takes are uniformed. I mean, anyone who listened to him for 5 minutes knows this, but still it's good he is telling us.
They made up their opinion before even watching bro don't you know how this works yet? I belong to X team therefore I must hate this guy on the Y team because other people on X team told me too! It's really not that complicated man you gotta get with it
I agree we’ve reached an impasse as far as working with out-groups. I for one am happy about this as we were never meant to all “get along”. May the most ferocious win.
Before the mobile phone, it was a common practice to remember phone numbers, not just numbers but for everything in life, now you got that second brain in your pocket, the smart phone, you just rely on that,
I was arguing with my dad just the other day about how out of control culture warfare has gotten, who's very conservative, about how in the same way you couldn't make Tropic Thunder in 2024 because of the culture warrior reaction of Robert Downey Jr. doing blackface, you can't make Ms. Doubtfire today because of Robin Williams doing crossdressing, drag, and trans type things. It got my dad to pause, and I think something finally snapped in place inside his brain.
00:03 Discussion on the differences between Trump and Biden and their senility. 01:43 Discussion about the evolution of media landscape and content creation. 05:24 Increasing distrust in technology and information dissemination. 07:06 Societal complexity leads to quick filling of information gaps with biases 10:32 Universal pursuit of online status impacting group dynamics 12:15 Humans are becoming more separated and more similar than ever before. 15:40 Bud Light reflects modern culture changes. 20:24 Inherited beliefs contribute to societal issues 21:43 Encouraging critical thinking through betting on alternative media claims. 24:32 People are smarter than realized 26:08 Using ridicule as a debate tactic may not lead to productive outcomes. 29:07 The interconnectedness of beliefs leads to fragility in ideological worldviews 30:36 Differences in values lead to varying applied positions 33:30 Self-correcting mechanism through consuming varied content. 34:49 Being able to correct for biases is a way healthier mindset 37:32 Short sound bites don't encapsulate the full conversation. 38:51 Taylor Loren vs. Libs of Tik Tok debate 41:57 Cultural shift towards reevaluating performative empathy and social consciousness 43:37 Political polarization leading to extremism in both left and right 46:34 Addressing the issue of children bullying each other in schools. 47:55 Debating gender is distracting from bigger societal issues 51:16 Google's reliability in delivering factual information is questioned. 52:56 Importance of understanding different perspectives in political discourse. 55:35 Challenging the impact of diversity initiatives 56:55 Implications of moral stance based on value change 59:49 Unity comparison between the left and right political factions. 1:01:20 Debunking the perception of defending small issues on the left 1:04:06 Discussion about a debate with Alex Jones 1:05:29 Debating the authenticity of public figures 1:08:15 Discussion on men's loneliness and hypergamy in relationships. 1:09:37 Predictive models create a way to make sense of any outcome 1:12:30 Navigating modern world with different relationship dynamics 1:13:57 Researching ADHD and personal responsibilities 1:16:40 Viance medication has dramatically improved focus and engagement with the world. 1:18:17 Understanding subjective experiences and self-perception 1:21:04 Being aware of subjective experiences and avoiding assumptions. 1:22:37 Dealing with stress and public scrutiny as a public figure 1:25:16 Vosch has faced criticism over edgy past statements, creating a negative narrative. 1:26:47 Isolating oneself leads to lack of support and credibility in the online world. 1:29:46 Balancing work and leisure as a self-employed person 1:31:09 Different perspectives on 9 to 5 jobs 1:33:45 Embrace various career paths 1:35:09 University provides valuable life experiences along with education. 1:38:03 Importance of having a clear direction in education and career 1:39:28 Biden's foreign policies and Democrats' overall position strong leading up to the election. 1:42:20 Border issues are driven by media and political agendas. 1:43:46 Debate on Democratic approach to immigration policies 1:46:54 Discussion on potential impact of ongoing investigations on public perception of Donald Trump 1:48:27 Authenticity and relatability are trending 1:51:36 Behavioral standards and authenticity 1:53:03 Misunderstandings about genuineness 1:56:03 Debating the threshold for clickbait 1:57:25 Trump's 45% success attributed to humor and charm 2:00:32 Effective communication is crucial in conveying messages. 2:01:50 Privilege given to entertaining people 2:04:49 Misinterpretation and entrenchment in beliefs 2:06:22 Dealing with attention and criticism online can be challenging Crafted by Merlin AI.
Hello you savages. Get a free list of my 100 favourite books - chriswillx.com/books/ Here's the timestamps:
00:00 Destiny’s Experience on Piers Morgan
01:24 What is the Future of Mainstream Media?
10:40 The Death of Sub-Groups
15:53 Reflecting on the Bud Light Scandal
25:57 Are We More Bothered About Ridiculing Than Finding Truth?
36:05 What is the Point of Debating?
41:15 Have We Passed Peak Woke?
49:54 Reacting to Google’s Gemini AI Disaster
1:00:05 Is the Left More Unified Than the Right?
1:04:36 What Destiny Thinks of Alex Jones
1:07:15 The Downfall of the Red Pill Movement
1:12:52 Impact of Destiny’s ADHD Diagnosis
1:21:25 The Public Criticism of Destiny’s Relationship
1:25:44 Explaining Destiny’s Beef with Vaush
1:27:46 The Downsides of Being a Streamer
1:34:10 Pros & Cons of Going to College
1:38:41 Predicting the US Election
1:48:30 Society is Searching for Authenticity
1:53:42 Content Reflects What People Click On
2:02:39 What’s Next for Destiny
Yes, we have reached peak stupidity, you are interviewing Destiny. Why Chris? thumbs down.
You guys dismiss the Red Pill movement. And I understand some of what you're saying. But what you both fail to realize is that its becoming stale and repetitive because you can't move past the red pill unless there is consensus and acknowledgement on both sides of the truths its trying to show. There is still half the people who want to say the realities the red pill are pointing out aren't true. So thats why you end up in a merry-go-round of repeated content
@@R-vw3uz waaaa people don't pay attention to me!
@@Jombozeus Sound logic. Consider me put in my place
@@R-vw3uz You are delusionally generous to "half the people." Red pill is a fringe internet movement.
If Destiny and Ben Shapiro start talking simultaneously you can actually go back in time
They actually had a great debate in my opinion
At least it would be over and down with quickly.
@@Mr_Ashleyit went for a few hours. Would like a part 2
@@DadsCigaretteRun that must have been fun centrist left vs right narrative with equal agreement on genocide
LMAO!
Peter Dinklage is a lot more political than I thought
He's really grown hasn't he?
@Tezzzaaa Yep. What a selfish guy. First he pulls the ladder up after him them grows 6 inches.
@@realMaverickBuckley 😂
I was expecting the "Destiny is a woman's name" joke
@@DeadpoolX9 In a recent video he told his youtube viewers that he hates than meme and will start banning people if they post it, so it needed to evolve rapidly.
People aren't getting dumber. It's just that social media has given us insight into how many stupid people there are
The correct sentence would be "People aren't *becoming* dumber".
The irony, oh the irony.
In the 50s, the manual for your car told you how to change the belts. Now they tell you not to drink the fluids. We are definitely not as smart as we used to be.
@@imhbuzz746 Then why are those people the prime demographic to be scammed by conmen?
@@imhbuzz746 that's mainly for legal reasons
Look at worldwide IQ.
This is possibly the best cinematography ive ever seen destiny shot in
Totally agree, Chris’s set up is 10/10
It really emphasizes how much he looks like if Peter Dinklage was an average sized man.
I find it distracting.
LMFAO thank you. It was killing me who he looks like@@AstrobotJones
@@AstrobotJonesYOOOO that is so true 😂😂😂
‘The real problem of humanity is the following: we have Paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions, and god-like technology.’ Edward O. Wilson
Smart
This is why emotional intelligence is so key, and the nice thing is, we can improve it. 🧘♂️
Great quote!
@@michaelmagnani7169 I reject the term "emotional intelligence". It's not intelligence. It's emotional health.
True for the most part but I wouldn't call the concept of publicly traded companies a medieval institution
*I totally agree that there does seem to be a toxic online culture that condescends to people who have regular 9-5 jobs. Some of these entrepreneur influencers act as if regular people are crazy or stupid for simply valuing their free time and their social life more than money.*
@blarpgan3641 Amen to that. Honestly, it's so liberating to truly know that working yourself to the bone to make money isn't the key to a good life. In my opinion, all you need is health, safety, 3 good friends, romance, and the freedom to indulge in whatever brings you joy. This requires you to have *"enough"* money, and of course the meaning of "enough" can vary, but you certainly don't need to be rich to be fulfilled, and you don't need to work more than 40 hours a week.
@blarpgan3641do you lift, though?
Yeah and also to mention the fact that society is pretty much built on people who work 9-5. If everybody left to be a ‘entrepreneur’ the world would crumble
This is only a small part of the core problem which is the malignant profit culture that Americans have been sold as being their national identity. This one cultural ideology pushes every differing opinion off the edge of being tolerable because the premise of your culture is that everyone is trying to achieve maximum selfishness in order to win in society. Therefore, no one can be trusted. Congradulations on that. Mission achieved Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and every administration starting with Ronald Reagan.
All of this falls into the same argument I had with a buddy of mine. He said that anyone who's satisfied with a blue collar job is an idiot and would never get anywhere. My point was that most infrastructure is maintained and built by blue collar workers and good tradesmen can make enough money to have a good life. I, since he was directing the argument at me since I'm a comms electrician, love working with my hands, so going white collar would make me miserable even if I made more money.
People no longer argue their opinions, they argue their realities - like we live in two different worlds.
this
Good analysis. But honestly people just parrot things. If you dig down a few feet you quickly see that nobody understands why they believe things. I mean other than- people I like support this thing so it is inherently correct. Oh, the hubris.
Arguing your opinions was already the problem. You should be discussing your opinions, not *arguing* it.
When we argue about things that used to be common sense and don't have the common sense to even know what common sense is anymore. We are a generation of idiots. We've regressed into arguments about basic things, when we could be tackling real problems and truly advancing the world in better ways. It's a major slap in the face to prior generations who sacrificed so much so we could get to this point. Only to waste it on pointless contentions.
Honestly this is an amazing way to phrase and I’ll be stealing it for my next intellectual conversation
Never say "Have we reached peak stupidity?" Never never never say it. It's like asking "What's the worst that can happen?" or saying "I've made this thing idiot proof." The universe takes it as a challenge and out-stupids your worst imaginings.
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this is very very real
something something hold my beer
@@sdrc92126 😆😆😆😆😆
He jinxed it.
Destiny is such a mixed bag. He's one of the few people I watch who i believe is genuinely himself. The problem is he can go from being spot on to completely clueless depending on what he's talking about.
Yeah. He'll have you at first with an accurate and incisive description of why things are the way they are only to then veer off into bizarro land takes that contradict what he was just saying.
Give an example of what he's clueless about.
Then it shouldn't be too hard to give top 5 issues he is clueless about.
Or is it he says something’s u agree with and others u disagree with
@Kheron56 Watch his debate with Hassan vs Nick Fuentes and Sargon.
On the ADHD: My 27 yo son has recently opened himself up to the understanding that he has ADHD. It has been an evolution for him that has allowed him to understand that he is not the "loser" he thought he was. He was constantly questioning why he struggled with some basic tasks, and now he is more accepting of himself and allowing some grace. It has been life changing to eliminate the negative self-talk.
That's awesome to hear. I hope he finds a great path that works for him moving forward.
Everyone's different, even among those with ADHD. And while I'm not sure if you've played many video games before, I'll mention a video game analogy to ADHD, that an old friend once told me.
The way he described his ADHD was like an inherent modifier on his person, that most didn't really have: "Deal 2x the damage, receive 2x the damage."
I'm not much of a gamer myself, but the point was that his ADHD wasn't necessarily good or bad. That weakness may be 2x as difficult to deal with, and it can be hard to make any progress without getting a better handle on it. One may get a slower start, and end up "falling behind" as a result, maybe even far more than what you feel should be the case, just like he did through high school and somewhat beyond.
When he started to figure himself out, it was like he performed 2x as well at everything he approached. Doesn't mean things weren't messier than most, but at a glance, he'd seem like he was "lucky" or simply "gifted." He wasn't. His mind just operated a lil differently, and while he once despised this, he now wouldn't have it any other way.
I'm still working my way towards feeling the same, and I hope I'm getting there, in whichever form that may take for me. And the same for your son, in whichever form it may take for him.
Tell him the only requirement is exercise non-stop..like take up dancing or singing so every minute he has alone he's not playing video games but pracicing something with his body..drums..guitar..skateboard...anything OUT of the house and using the body. Otherwise he'll end checking himself into the ER psych ward like I did when I was a coder. We gotta move or we get really angry, anxious, depressed, bored...rageful, insulting, impatient...narcissistic, dismissing, lol....i could on.
@@stoneneils zzzzzzzzz
I’m doing the same thing now with my recent ADHD diagnosis but it seems basically impossible to do anything but the negative self-talk. I’m not comfortable with literally anything else. I know have positive traits and redeeming characteristics, reasons to be proud of myself. Other people like me and will tell me as much. But I can’t treat myself that way because if I do, I worry I’ll get complacent. I feel like I have to be my harshest critic and my own arch nemesis so that somebody holds me accountable. Nobody is gonna be better at holding me accountable than me
@@adamyooz❤ much love, I'm in the same sinking boat 😂
For the ADHD stuff, since we can't fully figure out the brain. If you appear 'normal' then people think you have no defects whatsoever. People really only believe in stuff that is obvious like Schizo, Diabetes, Seizures. For some reason, we just become hyper-skeptical to anything we can't see since internal experience is subjective. Even chronic pain people or people with high anxiety get the same criticism. Really annoying to deal with.
That's a combined effect from those masking to appear normal and the tons of un-diagnosed crying wolf to explain away their lack of self-development. For an outside observer it can seem exaggerated, because some of it is and some of it is hidden.. It's kind of like how often you'll hear someone claim they're introverted, but they're definitely not.
Joan Rivers was right...Just grow up.
@@Baconbits16i mean im autistic my life hasnt been the best
I stress about anything easily
One of my other friends who has autism says ive most likely got it worse then him even though we are both .. functional i guess
.. i do have one friend who says its not that bad because im not like that one kid who slaps their perants when they sneese or are loud .....
Even though i have the urge to pumch peoples cars when they honk or have a dick measuring contest in the middle of the road
Dont get me started on people who litter
But yeah ive seen the videos of people faking so so much its unbelievable
Im aware i havent got it the worst but it definitely does affect me
_"For some reason, we just become hyper-skeptical to anything we can't see since internal experience is subjective"_
Ha! I wish! Look up the "do you believe in god" polls here on YT. 80% answer yes. So, yeah.
Also, "we should become hyper-skeptical to anything we can't see", as in, we should be skeptical and not believe it until it's demonstrated to us beyond reasonable doubt and educate ourselves on what demonstrate and beyond reasonable doubt mean. Only then we should believe things, before that it's "I don't know". For example, I. Ask me if I believe in ADHD. I don't know enough about the problem to answer that I know for a fact, but I believe in it, because I trust the doctors, same as I believe in cancer, but I haven't seen those myself, but there's enough evidence for me to believe that they're true.
Maybe everybody has those problems. I'm not trying to insult you like. You're human beings all of them have really bad problems
You don’t have to go any further than the comments of this very video to validate the title.
Destiny: gives amazing points on the issues with both sides and the actual problem with society
Comments: DesTIny iS a Gurls NAmE 🤤
Fuck me, we are so screwed
nobody tell him
@@YourSponsorthat it actually is a girls name?
No one is arguing the points. They just ad hominem.
9:50 Chris I think you need to release the footage of your face as Destiny explains the issues with pursuits of toasterfucking
Visuals here look better than 90% of all podcasts.
99%
@@mrpotifar COrrect. IDK why podcasts so often look like shit with the amount of money they have sometimes...I see fellow videographer TH-camrs who get maybe 10,000 views having better looking video product. But I guess it's the content that sell and the the picture. To be honest I just listen and don't watch 99% of the time.
@@fitzgeraldfilmsMN Yeah Just filming a conversation worked for Rogan but doesn’t work anymore. Newcomers have to compete in some way, it’s a nice thing though.
I was about to comment on the quality of the video. Its amazing.
But the wobbly table, lol
ADHD doesn’t mean you can’t focus on anything, it means you can’t focus on things you don’t want to. It is a lack of ability to consciously curtail your focus to accomplish things you have to do but don’t want to do.
God I wish more people knew this. It a dopamine regulation issue. It's not a "lazy" or "absent-minded" thing.
Never heard it described so succinctly.
Hearing destiny talk about adhd is similar to getting diagnosed with narcolepsy. I just thought everyone else was handling being that tired all the time way better and I couldn’t figure out how.
I’m also narcoleptic (and I have ADHD too) and I can second this! Before learning I had it, I just didn’t get how other people could do so much throughout the day and not seem like they’re about to collapse 😂
Very very true.
I WALKED AWAY FOR 1 MIN AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUCKING TOASTERS 💀
His toaster theory is as important as Critical Race Theory.
cyrus do not fuck the toaster
Were they talking about fucking toasters or talking about fucking toasters? I'm confused.
Destiny came off as human, thoughtful, and reasonable. I could disagree all day long with him, yet still find common ground and work together on those issues.
This. I feel he presents himself as having thought these things through deeply, but really only provides quite superficial and reductive thinking. For example, stating he doesn’t have a political affiliation (but xlearly states he’s left leaning) and says he’s happy to change his mind based on evidence but Ben Shapiro wouldn’t? Where’s the evidence to suggest such. He doesn’t give others the same grace he gives himself. But, I did find this very interesting
@@MsChampagneSanityyou completely missed the point, his main point was that he will not lose money for stating an opinion that’s affiliated with a specific political leaning, and you can see this over the course of his career.(getting banned on twitch for trans issues). Or how he was also hyper attacked by the left for his BLM takes. And he still finds a way to take these unpopular opinions within his “group” (ex;israel v Palestine). However with Ben Shapiro his whole company is based off being conservative and the identity of the daily wire is conservatism which can only lead you to believe that the success of Ben’s company will pressure him to take certain positions
@@skenderdokovic I did understand this. It is well known the daily wire isn’t left, but it does also house centrist views too and those of the silent majority (hence its meteoric rise). The reason I say this is because within its own house, creators have butted heads and disagreed. Vehemently. Ben, I feel, would follow the “facts” if say, the science or literature reflected it. However, he is a religious human and takes a hard bias stance in some (not all) cases. He’s been vocal against and for trump for example, pro and against many other issues. It’s not as clean cut to suggest he simply wouldn’t change his mind. As if it’s set in stone. I think he’d agree. But would he change from right (or centre right or libertarian) to left? Absolutely not. There’s nuance missing from destinys argument. That was MY point. That you missed.
On ADHD. For any parents who feel like Destiny did, thinking because their kid can focus on video games he must not qualify as ADHD. ADHD is not the inability to pay attention. It is a deficient ability to DIRECT your attention where you want it to go. It is more difficult for an ADHD person to direct their attention toward something that is low stimulation (homework+hygiene). It is also more difficult for an ADHD person to direct their attention away from something that is high stimulation (videogames).
ADHD is a fake diagnosis. Just a side effect from growing up on modern media and constant distraction in life. Over stimulated kids. most of us have "it". who cares. "ADHD" is meaningless.
AD HD
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The 'team sports' "either you're with us or against us" shit has literally driven me so far off the edge of online politics that I don't even bother anymore. I used to be willing to roll around in the mud with anybody but in the last year or two it's literally only been trying to play janitor to my own side and simultaneously prove that I'm not the second coming of hitler. I'm just going to do my thing and stay out of it until the needle shifts back to a more reasonable place.
The needle will not be shifting back to a more reasonable place any time soon. At least not without hell on earth being unleashed first. Truly I mean that because if things go that bad....more accurately when things do go that bad. There will be nowhere to hide or shelter either alone or with family and friends. The more people in your group the more likely you are to be targeted. A war now would be everywhere simultaneously and it will be ultra violent compared to what we've "seen" so far. For one thing, we've almost reached the point where they no longer need any of us left alive to do their work. That's what we know, so more than likely they've already reached that point and surpassed it.
You're right though, to a point, society does behave as a pendulum most of the time. Things get pushed too far and then eventually there is a pullback, a correction. However, there are also extreme cases when the pullback is consistently deficient to correct the initial tangent. This is exactly what we've seen over the last 15-25 years. When this happens think of the pendulum of a clock, now imagine that clock is sitting in a canoe and a 300lb unathletic asthmatic is attempting to haul himself up and back into the canoe. He just keeps pulling down and down and down never letting up, which buries the pendulum far to one side. Everyone knows how that story is going to end. Eventually that grandfather clock is gonna tip all the way over, smack chubby Michael Phelps on the head, render him unconscious and he's going to drown. Have no fear, society is actually the canoe, the people alive today, yeah they're actually the fat guy, they're fkd. But the canoe will float away, probably get knocked around in the stream a little and eventually either turn upright or find it's way to shore. Unless there's a massive waterfall. Or a series of them.
Same lol especailly "trying to play janitor to my own side and simultaneously prove that I'm not the second coming of hitler"
You mean after civilization collapses? 😜
the truth hurts, but this hits so hard. More left leaning people confuse American Patriotism with Nazi Nationalism and its a complete joke in terms of ideology because they're so different in how one is so welcoming and the other is so not only gatekeeping but authoritarian to the point of world domination.
What bothers me most is how Destiny can correctly identify this as a problem... but continues to do it himself.
ADHD stuff hit me hard. When it came up I was like ADHD is bullshit and by the end of that segment, I think I might have it. Literally every single thing Destiny said I experience regularly. The test scores thing especially, I was in the 5th percentile when it came to testing but literally never did homework and finished high school with 2.7 GPA
Went through something similar; the good news is that treatment exists if you need it. Good luck!
The issue with this is that so many people share these symptoms and a lot of the time, it's our society that forces us to act like that... probably the reason why ADHD self diagnosis has boomed in the last 5 years.
It’s nice just seeing two people having a conversation. Not just fighting
Not joking. I read the last part of your comment as, "Not just flirting" --wouldn't that be a fun world.
I do agree with your observation. It seems like meaningful conversations are happening more lately, with more attention.
Did you catch this part of the conversation?
1:50:24
@@Bertinator-nm9ld durrrr
@@cubencis I figured it was 50/50 XD
hahahhahaha
boy do i disagree with destiny on so many things but absolutely love learning from his perspectives. He actually has developed my nuance in opinions in many ways. moral of the story its important to consume opposing opinions and actually contemplate them
Nuanced? Absolutely not. Intricate? To the extreme.
key word "my" nuance@@DrDeuteron
It’s called “critical thinking and analysis”
Good job challenging your belief, too many shy away from opposing figures! :)
Im curious, what do you disagree on? Just 2 or 3 topics since there are so many things.
This is one of the few occasions I had to change the speed to 0.75 because I found Destiny’s speech almost incoherently fast. I’m not surprised he eventually went to see someone and was prescribed medication, he seems wound up like a spring. I also thought it was positive that he admitted advising people to cut off toxic parents was wrong. Each person’s family is unique and it’s incredibly difficult to advise even your closest friends on matters like these. Podcasts on ‘values’ have to tread very carefully. I feel like Chris walks this tightrope very well. His good friend Alex O’Connor is also very good at negotiating the pitfalls of modern values and the debates concerning them.
Well to give some counterweight. I'm a libertarian, I don't agree with Destiny on many things goverment related, but I do really appreciate his duedilligence and commitment to the truth. Ridiculous to disregard him for his hair color, his (personal) lifestyle choices and him having a girl name
It's easier to deal with life if you just just dismiss any ideas that contradict whatever reality you've been brainwashed into thinking is the truth.
Isn't one's lifestyle speaking of that person's values that translate into the bigger picture?
@@three_owl_night ideally, the person's values would determine their lifestyle, but you can't logically argue the other way around. someone in an open relationship could believe one of (at least) two opposite views: 1. they believe that individuals are best capable of deciding the arrangements that best suit their preferences; or 2. they believe that open relationships are the one best arrangement (by some metric) and they should be mandatory. Both beliefs are mutually exclusive, a person who believes in either on them could be in an open relationship. So lifestyle doesn't necessarily seem very informative of a person's values
@three_owl_night I would call that a ad hominem or poisoning the well.
@@chaosido19 it would've been if Destiny liked burgers over salads and my own preference was salad.
Destiny in 4K...?
How about Destiny in 0.5 speed.
That’s what she* said.
* his ex wife, ofc.
i listen at 2x speed even to destiny and ben shapiro. how slow are you people?
@@ghostbirdlarysame
Maybe he's not speaking too fast. Maybe you're just listening too slow.
yea, like i said, i for one watch in 2x speed. idk how people watch 1x political anything@@Moshm4n
I've seen Destiny interviewed elsewhere and not really enjoyed it, but this was a great interview. Chris, you really brought out the nuances in his thinking, and a lot of what he said really resonated with me this time 😄
bro talking about how delivery and appearance are important and still wears sweatpants to events
I generally see thumbnails of this dude with bright blue hair so im not too interested in any of his opinions
@phutureproof the irony of what you’ve just said, in light of them talking about the enforcement of homogenous bias across groups is funny. “Blue hair bad, I no listen to blue hair”.
And still comes out more mature then you will ever be
@@mozzticles6834yeah like they completely missed the point lmao
@@mozzticles6834 People with blue hair usually have extremely left wing views that are unrealistic and naive.
I'm just here for the comments. 🍿🍿🍿
18:12 "It feels like nobody's capable of having a moderate reaction to anything."
I'm here for you 🥵🥵🥵🥵
Mine was good. Till it was censored.
@@DonaldAMiscinstantly proven right lol
its kind of hard to have a moderate reaction to "its ok if we *disfigure and mutilate unborn babies*" said the feminist with blue hair. @@DonaldAMisc
I've just started watching and I have to say I'm struck by how genuine Destiny is. This is how conversations should be conducted.
You must not have seen other interviews with Destiny in it then
@@alphaprimer I have and he seems the same so what are you talking about
He gets emotional and throws ad hominem attacks in addition to just being hyper contrarian for no reason @@nozers
@@alphaprimer No
ooooohh lol. lame. @@grabthememesandrun1204
I love how the title could be misinterpreted as Destiny being a specimen of potential peak stupidity, and the audience is asked the question.
Immediately what i thought of as well lol
"Misinterpreted"
Por que no dos?
Omg this one is good!
@@TheTexVet quotes quotes
Destiny is correct that with complexity comes more ability to insert bullshit explanations from outside like wild conspiracies, but the flipside of that is that complex organisations also hide information from within as well. That is members in large heirarchies lose direct contact with the costs of their actions and will have an incentive to reap benefits that push risks onto others, while obscured by the complexity. Actual conspiracies, corruption, incompetence, and moral hazards are therefore all bound to increase with the scale.
Word.
Well put.
agreeeeed
I mean….we wouldn’t fill in holes if they weren’t constantly making em for us 😂❤
Destiny’s response
“Do you have a per reviewed study or wiki article that demonstrates corruption at conspiracies occur?”
At the moment for me, Destiny is the most interesting and complex characters on the Social Medias. He's obviously highly intelligent and his thoughts and ideas are quite vast and diverse. He came from a very different background than myself so it's cool to see how he sees his world.
I do see a few things where he is terribly misinformed and it's very frustrating to see someone that smart say such dumb things and have 100% confidence in the statements.
Very interesting dude, thanks for having him on. It's good for us to see differing viewpoints then we have a better understanding on how the other side thinks so we can best communicate with them on that level to hopefully bridge the gap of understanding.
Great stuff as always Chris!
Which things is he misinformed on if I may ask?
@@Pezerinno His take on Jan 6th. Some of his Trump takes are way off just with facts really. It's very strange to hear someone talk and talk and talk with such logic and sense then they talk Trump or similar and they sound like they've lost their minds. I'm pretty sure they will research Trump Derangement Syndrome in Universities in the future. It's truly fascinating.
@@dumbguydepot304thanks for your reply 👍
@@dumbguydepot304 Hes done so much rersearch at this point into jan 6 i guarantee you he knows way more than you. Anyone he brought on stream to debate about it he completely dismantled them so idk wth you are talking about
@@nozers He still calls it an Insurrection. It wasn't. Because they (secret service or the Capital police or DOJ or similar) basically delayed the crucial information from being released to the Senate or whomever was in charge of the FOI for the date had to wait 2 + years to learn about the claims made. So no, he obviously doesn't have the same information I have (maybe since those interviews etc he has learned about these developments, I'm not sure) but he's basing everything on typical MSM reporting. But we know this is by design. The media just spews garbage to spin the story. Most people then believe what they're told. When the truth finally comes out years later the damage has been done which was the entire point.
I remember Tyrion Lannister being shorter...
We all know who would play Peter Dinklage in a movie about Peter Dinklage. I think we also know that same person could play Destiny, though he'd be shorter.
Destiny had an open relationship with his woman and she left him for an alpha. That’s his intelligence.
You mean taller?
comments about to be crazy 😂
😂😂😂😂😂 thank you! I don't know why I continue looking for evidence that PEOPLE aren't crazy. Probably because I'm just as bad myself.
Glazers Incoming ❤
I have no idea who this guy is. I’m 1 min in and just by judging his mannerisms and demeanour I can tell I don’t like him. Are these signs and markers or am I just a dick?
@@timelesscynic2495 😂
I don’t know you so it’s possible the answer is both…but if you’re basing it on observations then it is what it is.
@@timelesscynic2495some mannerism annoy people 🤷♂️ it is what it is lol. You have to ask yourself if that’s really why you hate him or not i suppose.
Thanks
I don't think they're becoming dumber, they're not being pushed and supported to reach their full potential.
We really breaking ground with this one 🗣🗣🗣💥💥💥🔥🔥🐱
I truly feel dumber. I feel like I've lost wisdom I had as a teen. I don't know if my pursuit of hearing other experiences and perspectives has let me allow the vortex of the internet influence me too much or what. Don't like it.
Society has become unmoored from values that used to be a given. The feeling you’re thinking of is closer to destabilization or ungrounding than stupidity - imo.
Those who control the internet should not control your reality gor theirs. You lost yourself but you have the ability to find yourself too
Keep listening to destiny boy and you're sure to lose several IQ points
Schizo commenter
I'm not really understanding how you feel dumber. Can you give examples? I definitely don't relate so I would like to understand what you mean. I personally feel more educated, focused in my beliefs/values, and enlightened than ever.
"This is such a good conversation" comments are incredibly significant, because it's a response to where we are at as a society right now. People agree that it is more important to create meaningful dialog between people who disagree with each other than to determine a "winner" and we are trying to incentivize and promote that kind of dialog. Once we get to a place where we feel there is enough respect between people who disagree and that we've reduced the amount of polarization, we'll be able to talk more about the content of the conversations themselves.
Yess, i have read a book on polarisation and its sooo important to start at a common ground and have discussions without trying to win. Then after you can do that you can discuss conflict resolution and get into the weeds.
Book is inside polarisation by bart brandsma i believe
@@Voljinable thanks for the recommendation!
Somehow the overly cinematic video quality made me think that this is AI generated
Same, sometimes it looked kinda uncanny
We really breaking ground with this one 🗣🗣🗣💥💥💥🔥🔥🐱
Yo, what the hell is this quality. This is by far the best looking podcast I have ever seen.
I hate to admit this, but if I keep on watching, I might like destiny.
Yeah the guy is actually a lot sensible compared to the rest of the leftwing political commentators. He gets a lot of hate from the left because of this.
@@realistic_delinquent yes. 😂
That's the reason Hama Piker lies continuously about Destiny.
I can't keep track of who I'm allowed to like anymore. Last girl I dated was convinced Joe Rogan was a racist antivaxxer.
@@Jack_Parsons-666 It's easy - watch Destiny watch sanity. Watch Piker for insanity. Watch Vaush for Loli Con advice.
Goths and Emos were about an aesthetic. Today, because the internet is about communicating ideas and information, we have cognitive fashion trends.
Goth I was pretty sure was a culture and lifestyle. Emo is way more of a aesthetic since it came with a slew of different but similar ones like scene.
That or they all coalesced into the Alt aesthetic.
@@tristenatorplaysgames6833 Goth and Emo were separate subcultures before Emo just become a fashion movement separate from the original subculture and Goth is sorta going that way but the Gothic overlap with the metal community is leading to harder gatekeeping to keep the subculture focused so it may dilute a bit but I don't think it'll be as much of a lost cause/disconnect the 2000s Emo movement was/is.
They're all in Salem Ore now
This is an awesome way to describe it
I enjoy listening to Destiny. I don't usually agree with his political takes but it's easy to see that they come from principles and a genuine belief in good. His most valuable insight, in my opinion, is into topics like the Internet, content creators, and gaming. These are in his wheelhouse. It was great to hear his thoughts about ADHD and especially Jordan Peterson at the end.
💯
This is insanely true. When the recent conflict in Israel/Palestine started, I was absolutely shocked about how many people on the internet just dont allow you do NOT have a black and white opinion. You gotta be either "the holocaust supporting jew killer", as the people who chose isralel call the others, or you gotta be the "the genocide supporting palestinian killer" as the palestine supporters call you. If you come and say "I dont know, I dont have enough knowledge to form a black and white opinion and I just hate seeing innocent people of either side suffering", then EVERYONE foking hates your guts. Its completely bonkers.
Destiny's point about Peterson is the same way I feel. I was an early listener to Jordan and relly loved his lectures, but lately, I can't be bothered to listen to him as much, although I haven't lost all respect for him, but he's not as compelling as he was at the beginning.
Whatever weird shit he did in Russia absolutely ruined him. He’s not the same as he was before. It’s tragic.
@@deriznohappehquitehe was crazy long before that.
@@deriznohappehquite It's the Anti-Depressant Saga. The stuff he took is just awful, I know lots of people with depression they stay as far away from "Benzos" as they can.
Love this setup man. I usually only listen to this type of podcast but I can't take my eyes off this.
I think it’s too much.
I was actually surprised at how reasonable overall Destiny is. I was expecting something else entirely. Glad I listened to this!
I'll preface with I'm not the most supportive of Destiny. In the long run, he has proven, for me, to be an overly confident ideologue himself. He can talk his way around most criticism and chooses to castigate views unapproving of his own (specifically anti-establishment perspectives), all while really providing nothing more than standard/stale status quo line talking points and "I'll have to look into that" without the intention of ever really doing so. Not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, he is a great debater and most can agree with the more rational points he makes. The autistic charm cannot outweigh the burden of moralistic integrity -- which is lacking when taken as a whole, over the course of giving him attention.
"Ideologue" how? Where is the "burden of moralistic integrity"? Seems like your a bit hurt by "specifically anti establishment perspectives"
@@pancaked7777777 blue no matter who. What are you talking about...
@@WonderFilledMedia is that an ideology? I dunno if that's even a hard committed rule but generally the Republicans these days are wild and especially at a fed level the margins are thin so I can understand it from a pragmatic standpoint just to get anything done than sure. I dunno if this qualifies him as an ideolog tho really?
@@pancaked7777777 that was the gentlest response from a destiny simp-adjscent person I've ever seen
Excited for this one, I genuinely have learned from both Chris and Destiny and agree with neither 100 but find a lot if value in their thought processes.
Good convo highlighting that all nuance has been lost in a tribal online world.
I've been feeling that way since the pandemic for sure. Everyone is damn near a conspiracy theorist now.
Destiny is part of the reason for that happening. His position has been defending his tribe even in the face of counter evidence. He cannot whine about lack of nuance when he contributed to creating that world.
@@inthegutterstaringathestars give 1 example, i dare you I double dare you. Leftists say he only shits on the left and conservatives says he only shits on the right. Why is that?
@@bosmith6992Complains about how socialists like Wolf will never answer a question straight, instead going on meandering tangents, yet when asked "What is a woman" he does the exact same thing.
@@bosmith6992Oh well. If you double dare me then I guess I am forced to provide any answer.
Typical Destiny fan. "Muh sources."? Do you actually want actual examples or should I just make them up like your hero does?
Wow, whoever does the video/lighting for these shots deserves every cent they make. Really beautiful work. I don't think I've seen anything this clean on youtube before. Bravo 👍
Could literally watch a podcast like this every week. Thanks for putting this together Chris!
Like literally? Like you can actually *literally* watch a podcast? Woah dude, that's impressive!
how did you get Mr Bonell, Mr Borelli, Mr Morelli, Mr Borell and Mr Morris on the show?
This is so beautifully filmed, no stupid 3/4 shots, just 4 (or 3) beautifully placed cameras in a prettily crafted setting. It's perfect cinematic work. Raise these lads salary, they outdid themselves.
this is a joke right? Nothing about this is cinematic.
I would assume by now, he would refer to himself by his real name vs. his StarCraft name. Then again, I suppose if his gamer tag was bananaeater83 he would go back to Steve.
tbf he had to fight to keep his name from being taken from the game company, idk if he'll ever let it go for legal reasons
Sargon of Akkad eventually dropped his gamertag to go by his real name of Carl Benjamin. He grew up. Destiny clearly has not.
I mean its the name he built his brand on, it makes sense to stick to it imo.
@@rishnixtell that to "The Rock"
The ultimate plot twist will be he was poopfeast420 all along!
Yas Queen.
Strong and brave.
and black
@@erik4177 So its allowed when its not on Destiny's channel....? NAILS
This was a fantastic conversation between two genuinely level headed guys. Loved it.
Destiny misses the point on the kind of power that “woke” has. It’s not (for the most part) legislative power. It’s not the power that comes from genuine consensus (I think he’s right that most democrats aren’t on board with the more insane excesses of it). But it has completely captured cultural institutions, and is being policed in the workplace via fear of ostracism -it’s not that most of the people doing it genuinely believe this nonsense, it’s that everyone knows what’s in store for them if they question it. At the end of the day, that is MORE powerful than the “squad” getting legislation passed.
The only reason why woke people took everything in the cultural part of society is because conservative people have decided to leave all forms of art. If you want conservative to have more importance in the cultural space, just start promoting conservative artists/entertainers because that's the people who create culture
@@zacharyleduc5392 I’m not a conservative. The conservative/liberal framing of this shit is boneheaded. Woke is 100% illiberal, and anyone who calls themselves liberal who genuinely supports this Orwellian nonsense doesn’t know what the word means.
Yea and he did push back against peek woke, but i think the wave has passed in regards to most of the woke stuff. Unless you are on twitter.
@@kristiansandsmark2048 Whether or not that’s your experience might hugely depend on what industry you work in. If it’s humanities academia or the arts, for example, strict adherence to nonsensical bullshit is still a requirement of remaining employed and avoiding total ostracisation by your community.
It's on its death throes.
This elections gonna kill it off I'm sure.
No one likes it.
TH-cam is putting ads in the middle of your promo segments.
Chris knows this. Dude is obviously in this for the $$"$$$.
its the current year and you dont block ads? cringe
@@southwestedcThe year of our Lord 2020 + 4 so I hope you know about sponsorblock
C'mon man, you need to get with the times...
Dude, just install ad-block. Literally takes less than 1 minute unless you're really really dumb. If you want to support certain creators, you can temporarily disable ad-block.
At 1:04:25 when Chris mentions "the guy with the neon green behind him," please tell me I'm not the only one who thought for a second he was talking about Aris lmao
As much as I want to disagree with Destiny, he has some measured reasonable takes.
But I don’t like how he dismisses certain concerns; basically he said the issue of people defending bad ideas is the actual epidemic, and not the bad ideas themselves. Wellllll those bad ideas are becoming policies. I think certain things are a bigger concern than he cares to admit.
Can you name a reasonable take?
@@DrDeuteroncan you do the opposite?
@@onlyeveryone2253 I just did.
@@DrDeuteron you did? Am I blind? Where is the comment?
@@onlyeveryone2253
Not blind; just semi-illiterate.
"do" is a verb so opposite applies to "name". Hence, your requests was: "can you not name a reasonable take?", which I did with ease.
I suspect you meant "Can you name the opposite", but guessing intent is alsmot as perilous as guessing pronouns, so I avoid it.
What you learn in college is how to learn. You learn how to research, you learn a process. What you learn is secondary, how to learn is primary. The equation you learn is more valuable than the variables. In college, you learn a state of mind; a mindset. Discipline.
This is such a great conversation. I love that two people are talking, and not shouting at each other, and blablablablablbabla.
great interview!
Idk how Chris reads my mind when he picks some of these guests. I’ve always been a fan of both of these guys and it’s good to see them together.
Got dayum, this camera work is the best podcast video i have ever seen
28:35 My friend just told me he was an ideologue the other day, and its really made me question whether I even want to be around him anymore for this very reason lol. It makes me so angry when someone decides an ideology just defines them without failure. Even if you hold a belief for your entire life, you should be open throughout that time to other ideas in case a change needs to be made. This example explains exactly why.
Gained a little bit of respect for destiny after he did a debate with Ben Shapiro on the Lex Friedman Podcast
this was a very good talk. Haven't seen too many of your videos Chris but I might be a new regular
I feel like Destiny is a prime example of an incredibly smart person that made the mistake of starting with a conclusion then finding evidence to support it... And, because he's very witty, he's extremely adept at creating incredibly strong debate points which allows him to reinforce the idea that he's right on whatever point. Then, he tells himself he's accurate on the point because he acknowledged a single bias tangentially related to the topic.
I'm saying this as a point of self-reflection that I've personally fallen for this trap and I'm likely not even half as smart as people like Destiny.
Destiny gets so triggered by Glenn Greenwald's reasonable analysis that his brain shuts down
Why do you think so? Just because he has different opinions to yours?
@@balalaika852 If you read the whole comment, notably the last paragraph, I explain why and also that it has nothing to do with what opinion Destiny holds.
Well said. And he doesn’t really have any principles or personal beliefs, just that there are people with “fringe” ideas who should be made to look like fools (for views). His recent attempts to do this to well respected and accomplished people shows the limits of this superficial worldview.
@@islandsquare I can't say I watch his main content. My main exposure to him is from him as a guest on other people's shows, where he always comes off as incredibly articulate and sounds rational/reasonable... Until you start listening carefully and realize he's only just rational/reasonable enough to claim he's being rational/reasonable, if that makes sense.
And, again, I'm saying this more as a self-criticism, as seeing that made me realize I have been doing the exact same thing for years.
19:40 - I wish Destiny would qualify what he means when he says "vaccines". Most everyone would and are still on board with the vaccines that are administered during childhood like DTaP, RSV, Polio, HepB etc. I think Covid falls outside that category, and into the category of things like Varicella, the Flu, and HPV. Particularly with the Flu shot, I'd be willing to bet the deed to my house that Destiny, and people our age, 20s - 40s have not gotten the flu shot a single time once they left high school, and only ever got another dose during covid, simply because they were hedging.
I've tried to reply.
This is part of liberal newspeak. Merge meaning, confuse the issue. I mean there are people alive today that think a divorced mother is a “single parent”.
I get the impression that he's like a lot of devout atheists, where he projects a lot of his resentment for his parents towards religion and conservatives as a way to explain away his dislike for them. "It's not their fault. They're just brainwashed." Etc.
I know people IRL who won’t get any vaccine.
@@deriznohappehquite Cool, those people are so far in the minority they aren't worth talking about. They almost certainly have gotten childhood vaccines regardless.
This is beautifully shot and edited!
the divisive rhetoric of predictable points in comments is just proving Destiny right
The guy in the green room you were thinking of is Kyle Kulinski host of secular talk. Married to Krystal.
Nah, I think he was referring to David Pakman. He moreso fits the description of the green screens and such
Haha KKK
@@SlamDunkerDonkeyhe’s definitely referring to Kyle. His set usually has a green tint and he’s more closely associated to Krystal and Sagar. David Pakman uses blues/gray background.
Great talk! Love the disposable fold-out table, its not distracting at all :-P
I’m listening to podcast just to see what destiny will have to say I will give him a chance 🙂
What did you think?
I find him deeply disingenuous.
@@georges4061 Thats what I thought initially then my opinion completely changed to the opposite after this video
@@rohanjarande what destiny says in the first 6 minutes rings true with me 🤔after that meh
Destiny is a game's name.
Destiny's got a pretty good point about college. I think if you have a good plan and get a STEM degree or a similar degree in something you know will be an asset in the job market, it's probably the way to go, unless you take on too much debt. College is also a really good place to meet people and learn how to socialize.
Nothing wrong with great community colleges or trade schools either.
Good title, it suits the guest 🎉🎉
What’s amazing is Destiny not 2 days ago grilled Candace when she said Americans are getting dumber. Great evidence of her claim in the debate, that Destiny is a pure contrarian. One of the most well articulated, intelligent delusional people I’ve ever heard debate.
That’s because she said so many dumb things, and within that context, he was right to challenge her. Saying that people are becoming dumber in general is different from saying “…and so that’s why school is bad”. She is probably the most dishonest personality out there, and that’s saying a lot.
Destiny also said that people are just acting dumber due to social pressures, but when you press them, most have the ability to think more critically.
Give me some examples of the so many dumb things she said. Interesting that you so cleanly separate the overall intelligence of youth today from education. I would love to also hear why the relationship between school and general intelligence is not one to be considered.
Crickets. And I thought, like you said, when pressed better critical thinking would kick in. Maybe your silence is evidence you were correct in that assertion?
@@arnfracc203 Because the education system isn't the only way people learn... what? How people think and view the world are shaped by a variety of things. One big example are parents. The education system can be effective, and in general people still be less intelligent. Candace Owens claiming school bad because people dumb is incredibly illogical.
@@paulcashew5795 I agree with you that parenting is a significant practice that is also failing many kids. Sure, there are plenty of real life skills and lessons school cannot teach you that parents and other elders/peers can teach you along the way. But to deny that school is where a majority of knowledge is obtained is incredibly illogical, not the opposite. Why are you trying so hard to deconstruct established functions of a societal institution?
This podcast looks incredible. Lighting, color, shot angle. Very well done
I love how this comment section is a perfect example of everything they talked about in one 😂
There is an art to trolling
Because everything Destiny disagrees with are just "talking points" or "popular soundbites", if somebody he agrees with does it, it's just brushed over. He's making his side "complex and deep" while everyone on the right is a caricature of themselves. That's how he's making you believe what you believe and automatically delegitimize any opposing comment in your mind. I'm actually very close to center, and i love watching Destiny, but when he talks about biases of other people he fails to realize that he has strong biases too. If a right wing person speaks he would always take a position of "well lets explore how this may be wrong interpretation" if someone on his side speaks, his position is "well lets selectively find clues that support our opinion"
@@theonexx762Dude he literally talked about his biases and how aware of them he is and how he accounts for them. Did you even watch the video?
@@theonexx762 This isn't true. He has broken off almost every left leaning connection because he doesn't agree with them. Hassan, vaush, and Mr. Girl. He unilaterally applies his standard unlike you who just write bullshit about stuff you know nothing about.
@@ihatehandles6969wtf r u talking about lol him having drama with a few big names (for very justified reasons I think) doesn’t mean he’s cut himself off from every left leaning content creator
People have such a big problem with Destiny's speaking speed but I'm on 1.5 speed.😅
i use an extension to go 4x, there's levels to this 😎
Hello fellow adhd person
I watched it in 1.75x but I usually do 2x so I had to slow down
I was on the brink of slowing it down. It’s when he just doesn’t actually say some words that hurts my brain.
I skipped to the end of the video.
Get on my level
Extremely thought provoking interview. Grateful for this free content.
This is a very important conversation, and this guy is freaking brilliant. Damn Chris, thank you for this. I laughed so hard and learned so much. I am in the middle of my masters degree, and I have no regrets.
Why are people so nasty in the comments. Destiny doesn't judge people. Just let him be! What's causing people to be so upset? I am puzzled.
"Doesn't judge" lol
The Republicans are upset
He literally judges all conservatives the entire podcast.
He is a political debater, so your first real exposure to him is usually when the content creator you watch goes against him. If they lose or are exposed their fans dislike Destiny. It's an inherently adversarial role, and since he's very good at it, everyone from conservatives to leftists hate him.
Destiny absolutely does judge people. Wtf are you even saying? And what's wrong with judging people? If a biker approaches me in an alley with a knife drawn should I not judge him?
I’m just glad to see two mortal enemies actually sit down and talk. I don’t have anything to say about the talk, it’s just important that I acknowledge they did in fact talk, despite their wildly different views. Kudos.
Looks like Peter Dinklage
Tall Peter Dinklage
He actually was a body double for him on last few seasons of GoT.
the Anderson coopers is a great band name
Hell yes.
Anderson cooper in chains
great to see this interview. Most of the media would have us believe that you 2 are opposing ends of this made up tension between woke and alt right but to see you 2 share a platform is refreshing
I like at 1:01:00 when Destiny admits that all of his takes are uniformed. I mean, anyone who listened to him for 5 minutes knows this, but still it's good he is telling us.
Ahh mental illness in comment sections. No examples no argument no thought. Get well soon buddy
How are all these people so mad at what Destiny is saying in this 2 hours long video 55 minutes after it has been posted?
They made up their opinion before even watching bro don't you know how this works yet? I belong to X team therefore I must hate this guy on the Y team because other people on X team told me too!
It's really not that complicated man you gotta get with it
@@alexbernard6220ive heard his bad ideas on lots of podcasts …
Literally proving some of the points he made in the video
Hate watchers.
Is this where the Destiny glazers hang out 😂❤ what up fam lol
I agree we’ve reached an impasse as far as working with out-groups.
I for one am happy about this as we were never meant to all “get along”.
May the most ferocious win.
Before the mobile phone, it was a common practice to remember phone numbers, not just numbers but for everything in life,
now you got that second brain in your pocket, the smart phone, you just rely on that,
And that's why some of us have journals on us to keep our information, ideas, numbers, curiosities etc. Use the phone as little as possible.
Remember the Filofax? Address book.
You need to remember a number if you catch a case and need bail. God Bless my sister who took that call in '05.
Bro….no one FORCES you to make contacts for everyone 😂😂
I literally just wanted to remember numbers ….so I did 😂❤
Before the mobile phone, if you were a responsible adult, you would write their number down in your address book. What's the difference?
Destiny looks like the dwarf from Hobbit movie. 😂
Why are you insulting dwarves like that?
He looks like the baby from Ice Age
Frodo?
These were really good questions, great video!
I was arguing with my dad just the other day about how out of control culture warfare has gotten, who's very conservative, about how in the same way you couldn't make Tropic Thunder in 2024 because of the culture warrior reaction of Robert Downey Jr. doing blackface, you can't make Ms. Doubtfire today because of Robin Williams doing crossdressing, drag, and trans type things. It got my dad to pause, and I think something finally snapped in place inside his brain.
Yet Joy Reid gets to wear the Simple Jack wig on CNN.
@polysaturated underrated comment right here
Robert wasn’t in blackface.
@@garythecyclingnerd6219 exactly. Al Jolson was not that
My wife ask who is he talking too. I said, "Tyrion Lannister".
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10:32 Universal pursuit of online status impacting group dynamics
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30:36 Differences in values lead to varying applied positions
33:30 Self-correcting mechanism through consuming varied content.
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51:16 Google's reliability in delivering factual information is questioned.
52:56 Importance of understanding different perspectives in political discourse.
55:35 Challenging the impact of diversity initiatives
56:55 Implications of moral stance based on value change
59:49 Unity comparison between the left and right political factions.
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1:43:46 Debate on Democratic approach to immigration policies
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