"I'm a big fan of black people music... black people have earned their place in American I think" - has to be the hardest I've ever laughed during a Destiny debate
Why is it so funny? Genuinely wondering, black people did in fact play a huge role into the creation of music styles like blues and jazz, especially blues during times of slavery.
@@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind because he went from "cultures different from classical western one produce content we shouldn't study as it is irrelevant and inferior" to the black people doing good music. As if they didn't being their culture and art mixing it with local western existing one to produce "black music"
@@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind He's implying that it's possible for a race of people to not earn their place as Americans. Afterall, if some races have earned their place that implies that others haven't; which is racist.
@@garrettbradford4791It's genuinely awe-inspiring to me how many dog whistles and outwardly fascistic statements that guy managed to cram in every sentence, but what's even more impressive was Destiny not taking any of those baits
lol yes! I was just thinking that, and what massive fratboy he really is. He literally just entered political consciousness a week prior to this video, and is confident that he is a genius.
First person is making quite great observations, and Destiny is the one being slimy here, disregarding the money aspect of the surgeons that butcher kids, on the hundred of thousands of dollars of medical costs, which will continue to be gathered after the unsuccessful sex change operation, because you can't change sex, with all the hormonal treatment, that if you don't know, artificially dysregulates healthy human development and so you can expect additional costs to come about, with the money aspect of ~"not wanting kids to be trans". Disingenuous, unhealthy, and speaking over the first person does little to no favor on deeply addressing issues that see Destiny wrong.
Destiny is brave for doing these debates. Especially on gender identity. What sets him apart from other debaters is that he can actually identify as a woman since destiny is a girl’s name.
is there a reason why it's mentioned under every video that destiny is a girl's name? I know JLP said it. is it just a meme, or does it mean something more? Either way, I usually find them hilarious.
@@PatrickEnglehart I totally agree. Usually in these conversations, I tend to agree with Destiny 90%+ of the time, because the people he talks to seem less prepared, and some just have crazy views, or a narrow mind on the matter. But with your conversation I could understand both sides, and a lot of the time wasn't sure who I sided with, which gave some room for thought afterwards, which I think is also part of the point of these conversations. Really great conversation! ^_^
Came here to say that. They all have the same speech pattern…they do this thing where they make some kind of passive-aggressive statement or whatever through a phony “gotcha” smile. Fucking hate it.
lol you guys aren’t the brightest bulbs huh? He was saying how do you measure if they live in a “supportive” community because that’s a stupid thing to say and impossible to measure. Lol you’re welcome.
The methodology is important. If you know a stat, and you don't know the methodology, you don't the stat. Take for example the definition of vaccinated taken by the WHO during the 2020 pandemic: ~"A person which has had two weeks after taking a vaccine", in where the logic was that only after the immune response of the intervention had time to mature would then could one rightfully say he was part of the immunity through vaccine population. Whatever the can of worms that entails, notice that just because you think you know what a stat says something, you probably do not know. Now, what might be important in getting the accurate measure of statistics of suicide?
@Wiki2024-ps3gx, I can accept he should have had the knowledge before relying on it to form his opinion. Still, I must assume this was simply an extra to either support or go against his scheme of knowledge. Thus, asking for details seems appropriate after it seems to be going in the against direction. Now, after all is said and done, I think we might benefit to know what the stats are how they are measured.
The last guy destiny talked to was REALLY smart, he seems to be very knowledgeable on the topic, and it made the conversation way more interesting to listen to
The naive dsa voter that doesn't understand that the president isn't congress. These people are so bad at politics and run strictly on ideology and good vibes.
Difference between first and last student is insane. First guy had pre conceived notions of catholic ideology that was obviously passed on from his family, and the last guy actually put up a good fight from beliefs that clearly came from his own thoughts and not a hive mind.
First guy was just a troll loving attention. Destiny very properly asked him about Fuentes, because he was just 'talking in Fuentes' the whole time really. Guy gives vibes of someone you wouldn't want to say 'hi' to because he would most likely respond with something passive aggressive with a grin on his face just to see you fuming.
3rd student, Patrick, is me!! Let me know what y’all thought of our convo. HUGE thanks to Destiny and his team for the opportunity. Also, the 1st guy is so draining. I’ve heard him speak on campus and know of him. Absolutely despicable, trans/homophobic, and racist. Plus, he’s a monarchist 🤢🤮
Yup.. The left has the superior model while the right are Relentless about the game of politics.. Getting lazy liberals out to vote is the real challenge.
i cant believe the first guy was able to refrain from calling out jews in the media and instead advocated for himself to get into media. super effective compared to the normal strat people like him have been employing recently.
Every time I hear the first student talk, a year is taken from my life. No matter how hard you try, these kind of people will never change their mind. It doesn’t matter how much evidence or effort you put into your arguments, these people already made up their minds. It’s painfully obvious how easy and privileged this kids life is and how he’s never really questioned his viewpoint or considered that he might be incorrect or ignorant when he most certainly is.
Your actually extremely ignorant on the medical system in America/worldwide. The problem is your probably the same type of person to say "I'm not a scientist" when someone asks for your opinion and goes deep into it. Iv personally seen several times in which studys will intentionally change definitions to very specific things in a very misleading way, or give data that's extremely misleading that will go over most people's heads. Also the same hospitals that are being funded by rich bankers who make high amounts of profits Off people destroying their natural ability to produce hormones, who will have to be on hormones for the rest of their lives and giving the bank who invested in this a constant flow of cash. These surgerys cost a ton of money and often times will be multistage surgerys for bottom surgerys and have such high rates of complications. The problem is theirs people like you who sees a doctor, doesn't even think for themselves or doesn't do their own objective research, doesn't look at horrifying detransitioners storys, then implements their opinion as if it's fact because the dude in the lab coat says so. People will litterally lose huge amounts of funding or get pushed to the side by big institutions that control the medical industry and will push them to the side for giving oppositional information even if it's factually correct. The problem is you put your trust into a goverment that litterally destabilizes countries through the c.i.a and has killed millions and millions of people, started civil wars in multiple different countries. Your so ignorant and caught up in your own make believe world that you would start bursting in tears if you knew the kinda info I knew based on how hopeless and brutal are future will be. You need to get out of lala land and enter back into the real world for a second and throw your emotions out the window. You just sound absolutely ridiculous. The winners of war write history and if you knew how bad things were in actuality you would snap out of whatever liberal trance your in. Instead you'll read this, probably get offended, walk away as if I'm some loon like the rest of the heard and off to the other cattle you'll go. Your goverment and the united nations are not the good guys, their is such a deep complexity to this situation that is censored and pushed to the corners of the internet hidden behind claims of "disinformation and conspiracys." For example just look up "did doctors think oxycottin was less addictive" and look into this scandal alone. Essentially the manufacturers said they created a non or very little addictive opiate that can be taken for longer, to purely make profits. It was just as addictive and caused suffering in millions of people in the name of profits. Doctors were handed information, they read the information and thought It was true and get kickbacks on prescriptions, so the more they prescribed the more they get. The people fighting against this agenda are aware and that's why they care so much, this isn't all about religion and snobbyness this is way deeper it's just people like you are in fantasy land when it comes to how things actually work.
Who cares? All sorts of people and opininos have and will always exist, that's your problem on giving it too much attention and control over your emotions
It’s so surreal watching groypers replicate all of Nick Fuentes mannerisms and speech patterns. It’s insane how much of a cult of personality he’s developed. (Edit: I’ve learned that Carson Wolf is not a groyper but more of a Charlie Kirk style dude. Don’t want to associate him with a group that he’s not a part of.)
YESSS. Was looking in the comments for mention of the last guy, but unfortunately people are glued to the groyper. That last convo was great and I'd love to see that guy come on stream sometime for further discussion.
I really think his argument was better than Destiny's, but honestly depending on what your priorities are it could go either way, which is exactly what you wanna see in a debate
For the sake of the discussion, I think Destiny needs to set some ground rules for the next events. The constant interruptions make the first student insufferable.
Well a boy isn’t a girl. A girl can’t be a boy. You require surgery to “become” the other gender. Trans people are not changing their genders literally, it’s all feelings and yes trans people are confused people whose trans views are affirmed by their peers. I know boys who are now claiming trans girl but we ALL KNOW HES A BOY.
As it stands, it's impossible to prove the existence of transgender people. The only thing the father of all this nonsense could prove, is that you can't force someone to go against their birth gender. When it comes to people that choose this, most of them desist if not given puberty blockers. And it doesn't even make sense in the face of it, when your side believes there's no important differences between the sexes, and if gender is a social construct then it's impossible to be born with any ideas about it. FFS, we aren't even born with the ability to understand depth, but you think babies are born knowing whether or not they want to wear dresses and which pronouns they prefer?
Imagine sitting down for intellectual debates and having so much time being wasted by that kid (you know which one) with no choice but to follow through, or else he'd walk away feeling like he won something that never had anything to win 😂.
The last guy and Steven had a great back and fourth. You can tell they are both very intelligent by how the conversation flowed back and fourth. For the record I'm conservative not right wing and destiny is my favorite streamer for debating or whatever it turns into. Lol. Am I the only one that thinks some of these college ones are better conversations than the panels?
@@error5202 you are right. That was an an assumption but I felt he did well on his arguements with destiny. Which is what I am looking for in a debate. But this is only my opinion.
That last guy was really well spoken and really knowledgeable. AND he and Destiny had a really good convo going. That is a trifecta not many that Destiny talks to has. Sadly they were both defeated by the first guy and his argument for why western architecture is superior.
The third dude should definitely come back. His cadence is perfect, it speaks to so many unheard people, let alone what he is actually saying and how it clashes and oftentimes coincides with what Steven is saying.
Second guy was amazing, first guy either won't benefit much from college since he's so ideologically attached to certain views that he will disregard all counter evidence - or benefit a lot from having his faith shaken.
As a European, an American person saying "we're falling apart because of other cultures" bro you guys were literally a melting pot of hundreds of cultures from the get go basically.
Yeah that's just you not understanding the situation. Everyone still stays in their own communities or groups and especially in the last 10 years it's been one community vs. the other.
I really appreciate Destiny having conversations with both the left and the right. So many times throughout history, we end up with situations where those of the dominant ideology refuse to engage in discourse with the opposition. Not only does it create an echo chamber for those in power. It leads the censored group to believe that their views are put down not on their merit, but because those in power truly have no valid argument as to why Destiny should be a man's name.
I dunno, Crowder usually seems pretty chill and regardless of how you feel about him he at least provides references for his claims so people can further investigate. I think that’s the one thing Destiny is missing
@@michaelvigil3436 a lot of the time this leads to Crowder just trying to paint himself in a better light after the fact. To me thats unfair to the other side that doesn't get to go back and edit the video. I think maybe this could be done fairly, such as pointing to evidence to clear up confusions about details that both had at that time, but would be somewhat irrelevant to the video because it was knowledge that neither party had during the debate.
It was usually rabid students yelling at Crowder or straight up throwing things at him. I don’t remember Crowder really ever yelling at anyone and if so it was rare and def more from the opposite side
@@Yuh_mama see that's the issue though. Crowder prays upon people that are less confident and more irrational on their opinions (generally speaking) because it makes him look good. He's trying to frame himself in a positive light, not really pursue a constructive conversation.
When Destiny tries to minimize the studnent debt issue, he always leaves out the huge percentage of people who drop out for whatever reason and dont have a nice degree to get a high paying job to mitigate the student loans
@@TheCrimsonArchivist Depends in what degree. I don't know exactly what the stats are today, but iirc most STEM degrees pay themselves of completely in a couple of years.
@@noammanakermorag9538 yea but if STEM degrees are the only well paying degrees, everyone who is interested in anything else is basically screwed. It's like saying the only thing of value that a person can do is in STEM, and you're just dumb if you want to study anything else.
notice how this first dude is constantly smiling, sometimes laughing mid-debate, so he can pretend he is not taking any of it seriously or completely joking when his arguments are made to look stupid af
Here’s my thing destiny-does college HAVE to be that expensive? I think the issue is that it’s unnecessarily expensive, and lowering the cost to more reasonable cost would allow for more people to go to college.
him: brings up something destiny: says anything that undermines it/uses his own "logic" to refute it him: why are you so focused on this lol/how can you use such stupid "logic"
"My Mom is a NURSE PRACTITIONER, my Dad is a PROFESSOR, and we didn't get any covid money from the govt. We had car payments, student loan payments, housing payments, food payments, recreational activity payments (JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE). Boo hoo hoo."
The most interesting bit was when you called him a 'groyper' and called out where his talking points were coming from and he denied it, almost looked like he was offended by being associated with the biggest promoter of his views.
@@PatrickEnglehart You did awesome dude, seriously. Great attitude, great points, great comebacks, great questions It was awesome seeing another form of genuine good faith and intelligence engage with Destiny. Definitely one of my favorite conversations in this "Destiny Change my mind" series; I wish you well brother, thank you for the good content. Keep inspiring
You really think Carlson would let him even make one single point without talking over him and cutting the transmission rapidly? I mean, we all saw what he did in the Bill Nye interview, in which he was completely embarrassed and since then, he ends the interview fast once he realizes it does not go the way he wants it to go…
LMFAO 5:50 "Uh, so you wanna ignore the suicide rates?" Destiny: "Sure, they seem to improve after successful treatment assuming they're in supporting communities." "How do you even measure that?" Are these bots Sneako keeps talking about?
They do kill themselves more often, obviously comforting their subjective reality will quell their urge to off themselves from negativity. I don't think lying to them to get them to not hang themselves is productive, therapy to love themselves seems like a way healthier option, they can still be gay and cross dress mind you, nothing wrong with that. In the long term it's simply unhealthier to have them surgically transition, they'll have shorter life spans from the infections they can get.
@@christianbarrera3614 What this person is talking about is the fact that this dumbfuck tried to cite the suicide rates as a jab against Destiny, to which Destiny responded "no, actually, the suicide rate data supports me", and then immediately, as if the dumbfuck was a bot with no internal position and goldfish memory of the immediate preceding conversation, said "oh but how do you measure these suicide rates". It's literal bot like behavior, him regurgitating surface level argumentative responses regardless of whether they contradict the thing he just said 10 seconds earlier.
@@rocketrelm1125 Yea I wouldn't want him being the face of my opinions because they overlap, but this kid didn't come with any real evidence and just arrogantly stated shit that will just get people mad, he just wanted to look cool on camera.
@@christianbarrera3614 you are living in fantasy. telling a trans person to simply accept their bodies has never worked. in fact, it is the VERY THING that leads them to suicidal ideation. heteronormativity is very heavily reinfoced in almost every corner of the world, and people still deviate from it. you are just trying to cope with the fact that the only way to treat it is gender transition. as for the "lying to them" part, society chooses how it defines genders and expanding a definition based on human well being is not lying. you can't erase their identity, but you can shape your understanding of gender around them.
@@conscientunit1157 You act like "accepting their bodies" is a negative message. It only has negative connotations because woke culture has already ingrained the idea that getting surgery is the best way to have a happier life when it's detrimental to their health. I hope these people find solace in their gender and live a life where they can be gay, cross-dress, or whatever makes them happy. heteronormativity is normal because we're animals with the sole purpose of reproduction. It's why most people are naturally straight, deviating from that is statistically an anomaly. It's why we start having sexual desires as teenagers, we're biologically engineered to reproduce like all living things. I understand some people don't want to adhere to common gender norms that the majority of men and women have made for themselves for all of human existence, that's fine. I don't think any person with a decent moral compass is advocating that anyone shouldn't cross dress, be gay, get piercings, tattoos, dye their hair, etc... I think the push back comes from people getting annoyed that a small % of the population wanting all of society to adhere to them in private businesses and people who simply don't like that stuff.
This guy! "So you wanna ignore their suicide rate?" "Well the suicide rate improves after successful treatment if they're in a supporting community." "How do you even measure that?" (Facepalm)
Not to mention that gender is supposedly a social construct detached from sex and yet the 'treatment' is to attempt to change their biology through hormones and operations that are purely based on assigned sex.
@@almcjones2132 every study on the topic of how medical transitioning impacts suicidality has found that it massively reduces it, no matter what their surrounding community is like. There does not exist a single study suggesting that amputating a wanna-be-handicap is in any way beneficial to them. There also does not exist a single study suggesting that telling a schizophrenic that the wall is talking to them is in any way beneficial to them.
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Most people believe unarmed black people are murdered by the police 1000s of times a year based on "studies". There's a difference between science and social science.
I'm only 2 minutes in and I'm at the part where he asks whats the different between a nazi doctor experimenting on kidnapped jews, and a licensed doctor in a hospital operating on a child with the intent to cure a diagnosed condition with both the patient and parent's consent. To be clear I'm not even necessarily supportive of sex reassignment surgery for minors, just thought the question was hilarious
Obviously he's using inflammatory language because Mengele is one of the worst people to have ever existed. But his point was more about how that treatment of kids should be a crime just like the stuff Mengele did.
Not sure why both political sides use Nazi's as an example for the worst of everything. We already have John Money to critique modern idea of gender, no reason to make false equivalence with ww2 scientists.
@@BigBootyBatman so if a kid had cancer we should let them die because it would be wrong to perform evidence based medicine on children? Keeping in mind that no one supports *children* getting gender affirming surgery, we are talking about blockers and HRT during early to mid teenage years and at the most extreme it's generally late teenagers getting mastectomies.
Conservative: "Uh so you want to ignore the suicide rate of them too?" Destiny: "The suicide rate seems to actually improve after treatment." Conservative: "How do you even measure that?" Hey genius, you measure it the same way you thought you did when you brought it up as part of your argument 10 seconds prior.
That last guy was so adorable. I remember when I was young, in college, and had tons of energy and an idealistic, passionate view of politics and who the president "should be" in my mind... Then reality hit once I got out into the real world and I realized I had to set my expectations wayyy lower because, like the nice lady says, the President is *only* the President and the government can only function effectively if our congressman want to work together, which is rarely ever the case. It's a miracle Biden has accomplished what he has accomplished with such an insane congressional composition.
It's so scary listening to this guy, what kind environment created a mind that closed and hostile toward anything he doesn't understand or interact with on a daily basis.
I dont think his patience is remarkable, he seems just as capable of making fallacious arguments that are inconsistent with his own debate peeves as anyone else. He's a liberal pedagog with decent angles on things at times, and his fans love the cascading sound of his validating and pressured speech like rain on a tarp.
Because he would get his ass beat… he has no room to talk down to anyone because he is weak. You aren’t a moral person or a good person if you don’t have the ability to do anything therefore you don’t do it. It would be way more impressive if destiny was a badass but he was patient anyways because of his heart.
Patience ? what do you even mean by that ? we went there to talk, he's not sitting next to his mother waiting on the dentist to call him up. Get off tiktok and fix your attention span.
I’ve seen other wannabe brilliant people do it before. Conservatism often makes them sick to their own stomachs when years from now, they realize how utterly stupid they truly were and are. Hopefully that type of change enters their lives. The world is diseased by them.
A real honest to God American. I remember the part of the bible where Jesus couldn't hold to single particular point and rambled to people for minutes at a time
Only watched the intro but it's actually true that research is quite biased towards trans people who get bottom surgery. Most studies are on adults too, and not people under 18 who have gotten it done.
Yeah Destiny was being really sad here. Top false equivalency "they both have a financial investment". How come? People who do the surgery have a financial investment into promoting more surgeries because they get paid for it. Where is the "financial investment" in trying to prevent said surgeries? They get nothing from that, but Destiny feigned being dumb on that.
@@Mant111 you would have to spend hundreds of dollars if you had to take drugs to remain the gender you were born with. Keeping a trans person on drugs to ensure they are their born gender would be a big business as much as transitioning is today.
@@Ideatasterhe was pretty honest. Basically admitted that he’s a fan of white culture and not others, and that he believes America should be governed by his religious ideals. Most left wingers would call him a racist and a bigot yet he’s still willing to hold that radical opinion. So he might be ignorant but he’s definitely honest
“I don’t like other cultures” bro what? America is a great country BECAUSE of how many different cultures it is made up of. I’ll never understand how some people would rather everyone be the exact same as themselves, that would be so fucking boring
It’s cause none of them actually care. It gave me flashbacks to destiny’s debate on immigration with lauren southern. She never wanted to talk economics, just “culture”. Something more vague and unquantifiable. These people only talk economics when they thing they can use it to justify hating some minority group.
The whole vid was great, I loved the final topic about the crime bill to me the kid seemed to have a solid argument and it was great seeing the back and forth. Hope to see more of the "Change my mind" vids.
Patrick, the last guy, was great. I hope he comes on stream in the future to talk to Destiny. ALSO, the timestamps are off - 2 sections but 3 students, and the last discussion starts earlier than stamped.
Reading source documents and shaping your stance from there is an incredibly rare thing to do. Well done. I do wonder what Destiny exactly means by "Change my mind". I believe when he said "I will make one concession to you..." that you actually achieved his goal and did indeed change his mind. Again, well done.
I don’t believe in collective guilt for slavery and colonialism and I don’t believe in taking collective credit for the accomplishments of our forebears.
Dude in the plaid button up pulled up ready and with receipts, idk how destiny could even attempt to dispute the "pull our forces from Sadia Arabia to show them they need us more then we need them" thing that was beautiful.
@@PatrickEnglehart well u earned a sub my friend, keep being you. Very respectful and of sound mind. Never felt like you got lost or distracted with the Convo. Would love to see you speak more!
@@PatrickEnglehart Dude. You were genuinely impressive. I disagreed with you on the specifics of dealing with Russia and crime, but otherwise I strongly agreed with you. You clearly have a great mind.
As a person who legitimately gave up on college because of the cost I disagree heavily with destiny in the 3rd debate. The student is right in that sense my parents make a alright amount of money but not enough to get me through another 4+ years of school so I have enough to not get grants but not enough to go to school if the actual price was reasonable I would be in school right now and wouldn't have to go into the workforce to just make sure I can have a decent life
@@ConfTW111 that not cringe that the way it supposed to be of someone started payin for their house at 20 most would bot be able to pay for it in time to retire without debt.The adult is supposed to pay for their child education.Also We should be encouraging taking on debt over actual paying for it.The increase in collage will eventually put most people out of buying house after no more new one are being built and we have a upper class that is the only one who owns and people will only pay off student debt
I'd much prefer to see the host of this discussion having this discussion with other content creators who go around universities performing exactly the same exercise but from the opposite side of the argument to see how their facts and research stack up against one another.
Destiny had been turning me away for a while with what seemed like a major right shift, but he surprised me when I came to check in with some really based takes, and actually got into a really good discussion with the college costs dude.
His "major right shift" was just distancing himself from the least productive left takes. He's moved a bit more to the center and internet leftists hate anything center.
Even if Destiny has a "right shift" unless you only watch people you agree with that's either fine or a good thing since there must be more nuance to find. Watching people you disagree with is good
@@Rob526 Agreed, but when one you looked up to for a while suddenly starts dumping on everyone else in the lefty political sphere, it becomes kind of hard to like them. It wasn't because I disagreed with him per se, it was moreover I wasn't a fan of his seemingly newfound attitude. Guess I didn't make that distinction.
"I'm a big fan of black people music... black people have earned their place in American I think" - has to be the hardest I've ever laughed during a Destiny debate
Why is it so funny? Genuinely wondering, black people did in fact play a huge role into the creation of music styles like blues and jazz, especially blues during times of slavery.
@@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind “earned their place”
@@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind because he went from "cultures different from classical western one produce content we shouldn't study as it is irrelevant and inferior" to the black people doing good music. As if they didn't being their culture and art mixing it with local western existing one to produce "black music"
@@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind He's implying that it's possible for a race of people to not earn their place as Americans. Afterall, if some races have earned their place that implies that others haven't; which is racist.
@@garrettbradford4791It's genuinely awe-inspiring to me how many dog whistles and outwardly fascistic statements that guy managed to cram in every sentence, but what's even more impressive was Destiny not taking any of those baits
First dude is absolutely in love with himself.
lol yes! I was just thinking that, and what massive fratboy he really is. He literally just entered political consciousness a week prior to this video, and is confident that he is a genius.
I can hear the trust fund through their voice.
@@Bangy I bet he’s the edgiest dude at the polo meet.
First person is making quite great observations, and Destiny is the one being slimy here, disregarding the money aspect of the surgeons that butcher kids, on the hundred of thousands of dollars of medical costs, which will continue to be gathered after the unsuccessful sex change operation, because you can't change sex, with all the hormonal treatment, that if you don't know, artificially dysregulates healthy human development and so you can expect additional costs to come about, with the money aspect of ~"not wanting kids to be trans". Disingenuous, unhealthy, and speaking over the first person does little to no favor on deeply addressing issues that see Destiny wrong.
That’s like the psychological foundation of racial nationalism
Destiny is brave for doing these debates. Especially on gender identity. What sets him apart from other debaters is that he can actually identify as a woman since destiny is a girl’s name.
Brave for stealing the most popular political bit in a decade?
You almost had me there
is there a reason why it's mentioned under every video that destiny is a girl's name? I know JLP said it. is it just a meme, or does it mean something more? Either way, I usually find them hilarious.
i came to the comments just to find the destiny is a girls name comment. glad i didn’t have to long long 😂
@@patrickd5274 brave? This shit is fun to Hi
That first guy was maybe the most smug person I've ever seen. He was in constant disbelief at how well he was coming off.
U mean destiny?
@@abaddon4823we watch the same video?
I wouldn't describe him as smug at all, he was just a funny chilled out guy, even Destiny recognised that and laughed along.
@@tempname4039 you don't spend a lot of time around people, do you?
That last conversation was awesome. Lots of push back, clear points being made, came to the conversation in good faith. Epic.
Thanks! That was actually me, glad you enjoyed our conversation!
@@PatrickEnglehart yeah actually a rlly good convo dude, watch the wire tho fr
@@PatrickEnglehart I totally agree. Usually in these conversations, I tend to agree with Destiny 90%+ of the time, because the people he talks to seem less prepared, and some just have crazy views, or a narrow mind on the matter. But with your conversation I could understand both sides, and a lot of the time wasn't sure who I sided with, which gave some room for thought afterwards, which I think is also part of the point of these conversations. Really great conversation! ^_^
@@PatrickEnglehart great job on college debt relief.
@@PatrickEnglehart Loved it man, great work. Hope he has you back on for a livestream.
First minute in and this kid has already used all the words a terminally online 4chan user would use in his post.
The part where he went “yeah that’s what voters care about but i dont” and went on a whole monologue fucking thru me for a loop
There is a good reason for that, he is pretending to be a far right student
@Boo what kind of logic is that
@Boo lol absolutely not. 😂 Tf gave you that idea?
You used "terminally online." While you complain about an idiot using online buzzwords you do the same.
nothing worse than a groyper clearly emulating fuentes mannerisms, i've never seen a group of people more in need of a father figure
I don't disagree, but don't emulate the leftist stereotype.
The people killing eachother in Chicago, NYC and Philly could probably use a father figure more.
to be fair most of the destiny fans I've ever heard speak on stream emulate destiny's mannerisms too
Came here to say that. They all have the same speech pattern…they do this thing where they make some kind of passive-aggressive statement or whatever through a phony “gotcha” smile. Fucking hate it.
@@trevsoda yeah, I don’t think people do it on purpose
"So youre just going to ignore the suicide statistics?" *gives him the suicide statistics * "well how do you even measure that" lmao what a donkey
ehh, clearly more of an elephant (pun intended)
lol you guys aren’t the brightest bulbs huh? He was saying how do you measure if they live in a “supportive” community because that’s a stupid thing to say and impossible to measure. Lol you’re welcome.
The methodology is important. If you know a stat, and you don't know the methodology, you don't the stat.
Take for example the definition of vaccinated taken by the WHO during the 2020 pandemic: ~"A person which has had two weeks after taking a vaccine", in where the logic was that only after the immune response of the intervention had time to mature would then could one rightfully say he was part of the immunity through vaccine population. Whatever the can of worms that entails, notice that just because you think you know what a stat says something, you probably do not know.
Now, what might be important in getting the accurate measure of statistics of suicide?
@Wiki2024-ps3gx, I can accept he should have had the knowledge before relying on it to form his opinion. Still, I must assume this was simply an extra to either support or go against his scheme of knowledge. Thus, asking for details seems appropriate after it seems to be going in the against direction. Now, after all is said and done, I think we might benefit to know what the stats are how they are measured.
@@JA-yz9nm Is your social circle and enviorment supportive of you? YES🔲 NO🔲
It's always wild to me when you can tell who somebody is a fan of based on their mannerisms and inflection.
@@theludvigmaxis1 What do destiny orbiters do?
@@blackmage665 stimming
They all act like Nick Fuentes. It’s so goddam weird.
@@speedfastman 😭😭😭
@@theludvigmaxis1 Sadly Nick Fuentes is a legitimate cutie.
So nice to see Destiny taking the time out of his busy schedule to baby sit Nick’s son. What a good friend.
The first guy?
The last guy destiny talked to was REALLY smart, he seems to be very knowledgeable on the topic, and it made the conversation way more interesting to listen to
Thanks! That was actually me, glad you enjoyed our convo!
Pat for president
@@PatrickEnglehart 🐐
The naive dsa voter that doesn't understand that the president isn't congress. These people are so bad at politics and run strictly on ideology and good vibes.
Difference between first and last student is insane. First guy had pre conceived notions of catholic ideology that was obviously passed on from his family, and the last guy actually put up a good fight from beliefs that clearly came from his own thoughts and not a hive mind.
First guy was just a troll loving attention. Destiny very properly asked him about Fuentes, because he was just 'talking in Fuentes' the whole time really. Guy gives vibes of someone you wouldn't want to say 'hi' to because he would most likely respond with something passive aggressive with a grin on his face just to see you fuming.
I know you guys are shocked but people convert to Catholicism especially those with traditional views, myself included
3rd student, Patrick, is me!! Let me know what y’all thought of our convo. HUGE thanks to Destiny and his team for the opportunity.
Also, the 1st guy is so draining. I’ve heard him speak on campus and know of him. Absolutely despicable, trans/homophobic, and racist. Plus, he’s a monarchist 🤢🤮
Found his channel on TH-cam lmao. What a moron.
Hope he gets bullied a lot lol
Cool conversation to listen to, you seem like a cool dude! Nice to finish the video off with someone who wasn’t unhinged hahaha
if you think he's "despicable, transphobic, homophobic, and racist" then i'm gonna assume he's probably a pretty cool guy
monarchist for which monarchy? The british crown? prussia?
These kinds of videos are really good. Us on the left need to be able to actually navigate conversations like this and be rhetorically effective
Yup.. The left has the superior model while the right are Relentless about the game of politics.. Getting lazy liberals out to vote is the real challenge.
just a little hint. videos like these wont improve your rhetorically effectiveness. you got to learnt that through experience.
Try that with someone that is intelligent from the right and you get destroyed. Left ideology is garbage. Doesn't work. Never has.
i cant believe the first guy was able to refrain from calling out jews in the media and instead advocated for himself to get into media. super effective compared to the normal strat people like him have been employing recently.
You use we in the nominative actually
Every time I hear the first student talk, a year is taken from my life. No matter how hard you try, these kind of people will never change their mind. It doesn’t matter how much evidence or effort you put into your arguments, these people already made up their minds. It’s painfully obvious how easy and privileged this kids life is and how he’s never really questioned his viewpoint or considered that he might be incorrect or ignorant when he most certainly is.
I hope she sees this, bro.
@@Dpad69 *he
Your actually extremely ignorant on the medical system in America/worldwide. The problem is your probably the same type of person to say "I'm not a scientist" when someone asks for your opinion and goes deep into it. Iv personally seen several times in which studys will intentionally change definitions to very specific things in a very misleading way, or give data that's extremely misleading that will go over most people's heads. Also the same hospitals that are being funded by rich bankers who make high amounts of profits Off people destroying their natural ability to produce hormones, who will have to be on hormones for the rest of their lives and giving the bank who invested in this a constant flow of cash. These surgerys cost a ton of money and often times will be multistage surgerys for bottom surgerys and have such high rates of complications. The problem is theirs people like you who sees a doctor, doesn't even think for themselves or doesn't do their own objective research, doesn't look at horrifying detransitioners storys, then implements their opinion as if it's fact because the dude in the lab coat says so. People will litterally lose huge amounts of funding or get pushed to the side by big institutions that control the medical industry and will push them to the side for giving oppositional information even if it's factually correct. The problem is you put your trust into a goverment that litterally destabilizes countries through the c.i.a and has killed millions and millions of people, started civil wars in multiple different countries. Your so ignorant and caught up in your own make believe world that you would start bursting in tears if you knew the kinda info I knew based on how hopeless and brutal are future will be. You need to get out of lala land and enter back into the real world for a second and throw your emotions out the window. You just sound absolutely ridiculous. The winners of war write history and if you knew how bad things were in actuality you would snap out of whatever liberal trance your in. Instead you'll read this, probably get offended, walk away as if I'm some loon like the rest of the heard and off to the other cattle you'll go. Your goverment and the united nations are not the good guys, their is such a deep complexity to this situation that is censored and pushed to the corners of the internet hidden behind claims of "disinformation and conspiracys."
For example just look up "did doctors think oxycottin was less addictive" and look into this scandal alone. Essentially the manufacturers said they created a non or very little addictive opiate that can be taken for longer, to purely make profits. It was just as addictive and caused suffering in millions of people in the name of profits. Doctors were handed information, they read the information and thought It was true and get kickbacks on prescriptions, so the more they prescribed the more they get. The people fighting against this agenda are aware and that's why they care so much, this isn't all about religion and snobbyness this is way deeper it's just people like you are in fantasy land when it comes to how things actually work.
Who cares? All sorts of people and opininos have and will always exist, that's your problem on giving it too much attention and control over your emotions
@@jfklmk13447 why even click on the video when the entire point is people caring about other people's opinions.
I absolutely loved the last guy, based & well informed, which lead to an entertaining & informative civilized debate. 👏🏽
It’s so surreal watching groypers replicate all of Nick Fuentes mannerisms and speech patterns. It’s insane how much of a cult of personality he’s developed. (Edit: I’ve learned that Carson Wolf is not a groyper but more of a Charlie Kirk style dude. Don’t want to associate him with a group that he’s not a part of.)
Look in my eyes, what do you see? Nick Fuentes is gish galloping.
I was wondering why his cadence was so familiar.
carson wolf is not a groyper
He's not even a groyper. I think he's like a ben shapiro, charlie kirk tpusa kind of guy.
@@chewableviagra6394 how do you know?
The last guy was an awesome conversation. Super well informed and respectful
YESSS. Was looking in the comments for mention of the last guy, but unfortunately people are glued to the groyper. That last convo was great and I'd love to see that guy come on stream sometime for further discussion.
He did really well, and I agreed with him on Ukraine and the war on drugs.
@@hypovisor That’s me!! lol
@@Vember813 that’s me!! lol
Super impressed with his level of genuine interest in politics, whenever someone is super informed its clear they actually care about a topic
That was one of the best change my mind you have had. That last guy seems to be challenging you and I really want to see more of that.
I really think his argument was better than Destiny's, but honestly depending on what your priorities are it could go either way, which is exactly what you wanna see in a debate
You can really see the difference in how destiny argues at first and how they communicate by the end. Would love to see more of him
First guy went from “im not too big on the economy” to “of course the economy is important and I think we’re going to win on that” IN THE SAME BREATH
"thats where im from by the way" he is literally if "nobody asked" was a person
@@maxwalsh234 No, not literally, you complete and utter buffoon
What's wrong with that? There's nothing contradictory about saying that you're "not too big" on something that you know is important.
I think he meant that he's not super educated on it.
@@Cobyba could be but it seemed he was pretty intent on being a contrarian. He kept firing off answers without thinking and said something dumb
The amount of patience this must take is unfathomable. Hats off.
Yea Destiny can really get under people's skin.
For the sake of the discussion, I think Destiny needs to set some ground rules for the next events. The constant interruptions make the first student insufferable.
It’s not that serious dude
@@sargeteg5927 Is this a joke? Destiny interrupted him way more than the other kid did. What video did you watch..?
@@sargeteg5927 The first student makes the first student insufferable.
"i dont believe in trans ppl" what a solid argument
I don't believe in air
I don't believe in water
I don't believe in the sun
Imagine that, like that's insane
Well a boy isn’t a girl. A girl can’t be a boy. You require surgery to “become” the other gender. Trans people are not changing their genders literally, it’s all feelings and yes trans people are confused people whose trans views are affirmed by their peers. I know boys who are now claiming trans girl but we ALL KNOW HES A BOY.
I think he meant, he doesn't believe it's a serious issue or he doesn't believe gender dysphoria is a real thing.
@@krishiebobbybill3209 I think he meant that he doesn't believe in transgenderism.
As it stands, it's impossible to prove the existence of transgender people. The only thing the father of all this nonsense could prove, is that you can't force someone to go against their birth gender. When it comes to people that choose this, most of them desist if not given puberty blockers. And it doesn't even make sense in the face of it, when your side believes there's no important differences between the sexes, and if gender is a social construct then it's impossible to be born with any ideas about it. FFS, we aren't even born with the ability to understand depth, but you think babies are born knowing whether or not they want to wear dresses and which pronouns they prefer?
Bias is unavoidable. Saying a study disagrees with you because its biased is a moot point.
Imagine sitting down for intellectual debates and having so much time being wasted by that kid (you know which one) with no choice but to follow through, or else he'd walk away feeling like he won something that never had anything to win 😂.
I think the student made a good point in pointing out that Destiny is a girl's name.
Destiny is also a mid game made by Bungie
Most original and funny Destiny fan
Well done, friend
Trying to make Destiny rebrand his name is like trying to convince pitbulls not to eat children.
@@YeTism just say ‘mediocre’. You’re not doing the world at large any favors
The last guy and Steven had a great back and fourth. You can tell they are both very intelligent by how the conversation flowed back and fourth. For the record I'm conservative not right wing and destiny is my favorite streamer for debating or whatever it turns into. Lol. Am I the only one that thinks some of these college ones are better conversations than the panels?
Thanks! That was actually me, im glad you enjoyed the convo!
Well spoken does not mean intelligent
@@error5202 you are right. That was an an assumption but I felt he did well on his arguements with destiny. Which is what I am looking for in a debate. But this is only my opinion.
if you watch this beta male your down bad
Idk how intelligent he was tbh.
That last guy was really well spoken and really knowledgeable. AND he and Destiny had a really good convo going. That is a trifecta not many that Destiny talks to has.
Sadly they were both defeated by the first guy and his argument for why western architecture is superior.
The third dude should definitely come back. His cadence is perfect, it speaks to so many unheard people, let alone what he is actually saying and how it clashes and oftentimes coincides with what Steven is saying.
You know he couldn't wait to go home and tell his Discord how well he did.
That dude was actually brain dead lmao
zing! 🤠
That last guy was great actually destiny should invite him on to chat more often. No bullshit, actually addressing policy and a contender to be sure
Thanks! That guy was actually me lol. i’m glad you enjoyed our convo! Id be down to speak with destiny again, not sure how I’d set that up tho…
@@PatrickEnglehart run for office
@Pat Englehart hey big fan after watching the convo, you on ig?
When Destiny refused to shake that guys hand, I fell out of my chair. I’m also drunk.
That's great keep it up dude
Drunk Destiny fans unite!😂
Oh
I'm drinking and waiting to see it, prost 🍻
Which guy? he shook all of their hands
Second guy was amazing, first guy either won't benefit much from college since he's so ideologically attached to certain views that he will disregard all counter evidence - or benefit a lot from having his faith shaken.
As a European, an American person saying "we're falling apart because of other cultures" bro you guys were literally a melting pot of hundreds of cultures from the get go basically.
The vast majority of them being European.
Yeah that's just you not understanding the situation. Everyone still stays in their own communities or groups and especially in the last 10 years it's been one community vs. the other.
@@SCharlesDennicon lol nope . There were lots of blacks and native Americans and then lots 9f Jewish and east Asians and then indians
@@VARMOT123 Sure. And the vast majority was European. :D
(Plus Jewish people... could come from Europe... dafuq)
@@SCharlesDenniconDo you have any idea how impressive it is to get Europeans to not soak the fields in each other's blood?
I really appreciate Destiny having conversations with both the left and the right. So many times throughout history, we end up with situations where those of the dominant ideology refuse to engage in discourse with the opposition. Not only does it create an echo chamber for those in power. It leads the censored group to believe that their views are put down not on their merit, but because those in power truly have no valid argument as to why Destiny should be a man's name.
Thanks for this hot take.
student 3 was an incredible debate both of you well done!
Destiny the only man to do "Change my mind" style videos and they're actually entertaining instead of cringe 2 people screaming.
I dunno, Crowder usually seems pretty chill and regardless of how you feel about him he at least provides references for his claims so people can further investigate. I think that’s the one thing Destiny is missing
@@michaelvigil3436 a lot of the time this leads to Crowder just trying to paint himself in a better light after the fact. To me thats unfair to the other side that doesn't get to go back and edit the video.
I think maybe this could be done fairly, such as pointing to evidence to clear up confusions about details that both had at that time, but would be somewhat irrelevant to the video because it was knowledge that neither party had during the debate.
It was usually rabid students yelling at Crowder or straight up throwing things at him. I don’t remember Crowder really ever yelling at anyone and if so it was rare and def more from the opposite side
@@Yuh_mama see that's the issue though. Crowder prays upon people that are less confident and more irrational on their opinions (generally speaking) because it makes him look good. He's trying to frame himself in a positive light, not really pursue a constructive conversation.
@@RiskyBiscuit How is it you can know crowders/destinys reasons for doing things?
Destiny: The research clearly shows that transgenderism exists.
Guy: No it doesn't
Destiny: Yes it does.
Guy: Nope
Very productive conversation.
Losers make arguments in debates.
Gigachads just say "yes" and "no" over and over until one of them dies from exhaustion.
@@user-uq4gr5nl5o so you admit you’re a gigachad?
@@watering.plants. yes
@@user-uq4gr5nl5o do yuh luv bla peepl?
@@user-uq4gr5nl5o chadhominem: ugly people are wrong
When Destiny tries to minimize the studnent debt issue, he always leaves out the huge percentage of people who drop out for whatever reason and dont have a nice degree to get a high paying job to mitigate the student loans
funny because he is a drop out who couldn't afford college
@@TheCrimsonArchivist Depends in what degree. I don't know exactly what the stats are today, but iirc most STEM degrees pay themselves of completely in a couple of years.
@@noammanakermorag9538 yea but if STEM degrees are the only well paying degrees, everyone who is interested in anything else is basically screwed. It's like saying the only thing of value that a person can do is in STEM, and you're just dumb if you want to study anything else.
We shouldn't reward quitting.
@@sinatra222 yes we should discourage quitting by making it easier to afford college
notice how this first dude is constantly smiling, sometimes laughing mid-debate, so he can pretend he is not taking any of it seriously or completely joking when his arguments are made to look stupid af
Here’s my thing destiny-does college HAVE to be that expensive? I think the issue is that it’s unnecessarily expensive, and lowering the cost to more reasonable cost would allow for more people to go to college.
What an opening statement
I’m a bit more right than left and that 1st student was making me feel very uncomfortable with the things he was saying.
He was a little obnoxiously aggressive, and I'm generally conservative
I think he’s an alt-right dude. Which imo they go against all right wing values.
Lol
@@BalldoTM what?
him: brings up something
destiny: says anything that undermines it/uses his own "logic" to refute it
him: why are you so focused on this lol/how can you use such stupid "logic"
"My Mom is a NURSE PRACTITIONER, my Dad is a PROFESSOR, and we didn't get any covid money from the govt. We had car payments, student loan payments, housing payments, food payments, recreational activity payments (JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE). Boo hoo hoo."
3:36 "You're saying there is virtue in just choosing to do something"
Yes. It's called freedom - the one thing that makes America great.
He’s an “illiberal” so he probably doesn’t really care about the concept of freedom.
This dude is a legitimate moron. Imagine actually arguing there is no real difference between choosing to do something and having it forced on you.
Canada has freedom, Japan has freedom, Australia has freedom, Scandinavian countries have freedom, European countries have freedom….
The most interesting bit was when you called him a 'groyper' and called out where his talking points were coming from and he denied it, almost looked like he was offended by being associated with the biggest promoter of his views.
Because it shatters the image they have of themselves. They’re not as smart or as big of an “independent thinker” they believe themselves to be
Carson had a major split with Fuentes. Nick openly loathes him.
@@Boogenhagenn oh I had no idea there was history there. That explains his reaction more.
Id be offended too to be associated with a fringe white nationalist movement despite having no ties to them.
@@sacredgear t. Des(tiny) watcher
How does Destiny have this level of patience? The kid is something 'special'.
I think because he's looking at them as a stupid or as we say in the South "Bless their hearts"
'Cause he is interested in understanding and changing people's mind on stuff he finds important
Which one? All three of them had valid points and some stuff that made no sense, just like Destiny.
The man cut his teeth on 2015/2016 online reactionaries. This dude is nothing new.
Wtd are you talking about? Normal people dont lose their cool unless theres something crazy.
second dude is the definition of a goalpost shifter. i feel like he’s actually really close to being able to see the faults in his beliefs/arguments
Amazing back and forth with the last guy, hope he'll make it for a round 2 on stream.
The 3rd guy is by far the most intelligent I've seen destiny debate so far.
That’s me! lol
@@PatrickEnglehart You did awesome dude, seriously. Great attitude, great points, great comebacks, great questions It was awesome seeing another form of genuine good faith and intelligence engage with Destiny. Definitely one of my favorite conversations in this "Destiny Change my mind" series; I wish you well brother, thank you for the good content. Keep inspiring
I don't think I've ever seen a bigger group of bots than Nick Fuentes clones
the 1st guy has never been punched in his life
Gaaaaad id love to change that!😣
Conversations like these give me hope. Thank you!
@Ruben O. No.
@@cunk1020 what do you they give you hope towards lol
I want Destiny to go on Tucker Carlson’s show
Id fucking love it. Imagine him going off on tucker and calling out his bullshit while muting him at the same time .
More like tucker would just railroad him because it’s his show
@@ThaNarc Destiny and Shapiro would also be interesting. A battle of who can’t talk faster
I would rather him debate Matt Walsh.
You really think Carlson would let him even make one single point without talking over him and cutting the transmission rapidly? I mean, we all saw what he did in the Bill Nye interview, in which he was completely embarrassed and since then, he ends the interview fast once he realizes it does not go the way he wants it to go…
LMFAO 5:50 "Uh, so you wanna ignore the suicide rates?"
Destiny: "Sure, they seem to improve after successful treatment assuming they're in supporting communities."
"How do you even measure that?"
Are these bots Sneako keeps talking about?
They do kill themselves more often, obviously comforting their subjective reality will quell their urge to off themselves from negativity. I don't think lying to them to get them to not hang themselves is productive, therapy to love themselves seems like a way healthier option, they can still be gay and cross dress mind you, nothing wrong with that.
In the long term it's simply unhealthier to have them surgically transition, they'll have shorter life spans from the infections they can get.
@@christianbarrera3614 What this person is talking about is the fact that this dumbfuck tried to cite the suicide rates as a jab against Destiny, to which Destiny responded "no, actually, the suicide rate data supports me", and then immediately, as if the dumbfuck was a bot with no internal position and goldfish memory of the immediate preceding conversation, said "oh but how do you measure these suicide rates". It's literal bot like behavior, him regurgitating surface level argumentative responses regardless of whether they contradict the thing he just said 10 seconds earlier.
@@rocketrelm1125 Yea I wouldn't want him being the face of my opinions because they overlap, but this kid didn't come with any real evidence and just arrogantly stated shit that will just get people mad, he just wanted to look cool on camera.
@@christianbarrera3614 you are living in fantasy. telling a trans person to simply accept their bodies has never worked. in fact, it is the VERY THING that leads them to suicidal ideation. heteronormativity is very heavily reinfoced in almost every corner of the world, and people still deviate from it. you are just trying to cope with the fact that the only way to treat it is gender transition. as for the "lying to them" part, society chooses how it defines genders and expanding a definition based on human well being is not lying. you can't erase their identity, but you can shape your understanding of gender around them.
@@conscientunit1157 You act like "accepting their bodies" is a negative message. It only has negative connotations because woke culture has already ingrained the idea that getting surgery is the best way to have a happier life when it's detrimental to their health. I hope these people find solace in their gender and live a life where they can be gay, cross-dress, or whatever makes them happy.
heteronormativity is normal because we're animals with the sole purpose of reproduction. It's why most people are naturally straight, deviating from that is statistically an anomaly. It's why we start having sexual desires as teenagers, we're biologically engineered to reproduce like all living things.
I understand some people don't want to adhere to common gender norms that the majority of men and women have made for themselves for all of human existence, that's fine. I don't think any person with a decent moral compass is advocating that anyone shouldn't cross dress, be gay, get piercings, tattoos, dye their hair, etc...
I think the push back comes from people getting annoyed that a small % of the population wanting all of society to adhere to them in private businesses and people who simply don't like that stuff.
Student 2 loved to use anecdotes to challenge the Covid Stimulus. “Me and my brother both played sports” had me dying😂😂😂
Third guy was really jazzed up. Enjoyed his convo with Destiny and his passion in talking about the topics of the discussion.
Thanks! That was actually me, glad you enjoyed our convo!
This guy!
"So you wanna ignore their suicide rate?"
"Well the suicide rate improves after successful treatment if they're in a supporting community."
"How do you even measure that?"
(Facepalm)
That's a lie too, since the suicide rate is vastly unchanged regardless of having this fabled "supporting community".
Not to mention that gender is supposedly a social construct detached from sex and yet the 'treatment' is to attempt to change their biology through hormones and operations that are purely based on assigned sex.
@@almcjones2132 every study on the topic of how medical transitioning impacts suicidality has found that it massively reduces it, no matter what their surrounding community is like. There does not exist a single study suggesting that amputating a wanna-be-handicap is in any way beneficial to them. There also does not exist a single study suggesting that telling a schizophrenic that the wall is talking to them is in any way beneficial to them.
@@almcjones2132 Go back to school bruh. Immediately.
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Most people believe unarmed black people are murdered by the police 1000s of times a year based on "studies". There's a difference between science and social science.
Really intelligent debate tactic, pointing out that it doesn’t improve peoples lives is a callback to Destiny being a girls name, yet they are male.
Student three overall destoryed Destiny. Let's be honest.
The last guy had some good arguments, I disagreed on most points but he was coherent.
Conversation between Destiny and the last guest was great
thanks, that was me!
I'm only 2 minutes in and I'm at the part where he asks whats the different between a nazi doctor experimenting on kidnapped jews, and a licensed doctor in a hospital operating on a child with the intent to cure a diagnosed condition with both the patient and parent's consent. To be clear I'm not even necessarily supportive of sex reassignment surgery for minors, just thought the question was hilarious
Obviously he's using inflammatory language because Mengele is one of the worst people to have ever existed. But his point was more about how that treatment of kids should be a crime just like the stuff Mengele did.
Not sure why both political sides use Nazi's as an example for the worst of everything. We already have John Money to critique modern idea of gender, no reason to make false equivalence with ww2 scientists.
Licensed doctors are capable of doing horrendous things to patients with conscent, and can easily misdiagnose people as well.
@@BigBootyBatman so if a kid had cancer we should let them die because it would be wrong to perform evidence based medicine on children?
Keeping in mind that no one supports *children* getting gender affirming surgery, we are talking about blockers and HRT during early to mid teenage years and at the most extreme it's generally late teenagers getting mastectomies.
@@fissionmail3d a doctor misdiagnosing people is not the same as Mengele vivisecting a 10 year old girl
This dude thinks he’s so much better than he actually is - awesome job Destiny
I really enjoyed last conversation tbh, this is a cool format
that’s me lol! glad you enjoyed it!!
I super enjoyed you're conversation with the third guy. You two have some good conversation chemistry.
That’s me! lol
@@PatrickEnglehart Really well spoken mate, well done
Conservative: "Uh so you want to ignore the suicide rate of them too?"
Destiny: "The suicide rate seems to actually improve after treatment."
Conservative: "How do you even measure that?"
Hey genius, you measure it the same way you thought you did when you brought it up as part of your argument 10 seconds prior.
That last guy was so adorable. I remember when I was young, in college, and had tons of energy and an idealistic, passionate view of politics and who the president "should be" in my mind... Then reality hit once I got out into the real world and I realized I had to set my expectations wayyy lower because, like the nice lady says, the President is *only* the President and the government can only function effectively if our congressman want to work together, which is rarely ever the case. It's a miracle Biden has accomplished what he has accomplished with such an insane congressional composition.
It's so scary listening to this guy, what kind environment created a mind that closed and hostile toward anything he doesn't understand or interact with on a daily basis.
Facts and pattern recognition.
True. Tbf this applies to lots of people on the left too. It's called being in an echo chamber.
@@jonnydempsey4380 cope harder man
@@luckyducky5994 What do I have to cope with? Facts and pattern recognition are of no concern to me, have a great day.
@@jonnydempsey4380 what “facts” and “pattern recognition” are you referring to? first dude struggled to string together a single cohesive argument.
I’ll forever marvel at the patience Destiny has in these debates
seems normal to me
I dont think his patience is remarkable, he seems just as capable of making fallacious arguments that are inconsistent with his own debate peeves as anyone else. He's a liberal pedagog with decent angles on things at times, and his fans love the cascading sound of his validating and pressured speech like rain on a tarp.
Because he would get his ass beat… he has no room to talk down to anyone because he is weak. You aren’t a moral person or a good person if you don’t have the ability to do anything therefore you don’t do it. It would be way more impressive if destiny was a badass but he was patient anyways because of his heart.
He’s got nothing else to do
Patience ? what do you even mean by that ? we went there to talk, he's not sitting next to his mother waiting on the dentist to call him up. Get off tiktok and fix your attention span.
"you cant do shit to me, my dads a lawyer" energy from the first guy
lol that’s a typical frat-boy quote. He probably just entered into politics and thinks himself as a genius.
I’ve seen other wannabe brilliant people do it before. Conservatism often makes them sick to their own stomachs when years from now, they realize how utterly stupid they truly were and are. Hopefully that type of change enters their lives. The world is diseased by them.
How ? what led you to that 2 iq conclusion ?
Dude had some serious Draco Malloy energy lol
A real honest to God American. I remember the part of the bible where Jesus couldn't hold to single particular point and rambled to people for minutes at a time
Only watched the intro but it's actually true that research is quite biased towards trans people who get bottom surgery. Most studies are on adults too, and not people under 18 who have gotten it done.
Fax
Yeah Destiny was being really sad here. Top false equivalency "they both have a financial investment". How come?
People who do the surgery have a financial investment into promoting more surgeries because they get paid for it. Where is the "financial investment" in trying to prevent said surgeries? They get nothing from that, but Destiny feigned being dumb on that.
@@Mant111 you would have to spend hundreds of dollars if you had to take drugs to remain the gender you were born with. Keeping a trans person on drugs to ensure they are their born gender would be a big business as much as transitioning is today.
@@wery8621 Which studies are you talking about? care to give a link?
@@inception1695 Huh? What are you talking about? If you're born male or female you don't need any drugs to remain male or female.
I felt bad when he started crying internally when destiny said I'm not shaking your hand.
That kid has the confidence of a child that didn't stop breast feeding until he was in middle school.
Children believe fantasies like being what they aren't
3rd kid cooked destiny
Good debate. I like that these conservatives were honest and conceded to certain points.
Except the first at least. But it was the shitpost needed for entertainment.
Atomic the first dude was basically a leftist. Both the far right and leftists are religious zealots, racist, and authoritarian.
@@Ideatasterhe was pretty honest. Basically admitted that he’s a fan of white culture and not others, and that he believes America should be governed by his religious ideals. Most left wingers would call him a racist and a bigot yet he’s still willing to hold that radical opinion. So he might be ignorant but he’s definitely honest
“I covered the story so…”
Okay well who did the reporting?
“….. uh… me”
😂
great job, Steven! these events are a great success, and the conversations are really important
He should fly to Texas to meet Steven to have a Chinge my Mind off.
“I don’t like other cultures” bro what? America is a great country BECAUSE of how many different cultures it is made up of. I’ll never understand how some people would rather everyone be the exact same as themselves, that would be so fucking boring
The last guy was spitting fire
that’s me lol!
I actually laughed when he said "I'm not too big on the economy"
It’s cause none of them actually care. It gave me flashbacks to destiny’s debate on immigration with lauren southern. She never wanted to talk economics, just “culture”. Something more vague and unquantifiable. These people only talk economics when they thing they can use it to justify hating some minority group.
@@sabettiae economics huh. Thoughts on having open borders and free Healthcare?
@@gomer921 both are pretty good
@@sabettiae economy amiright
@@gomer921 🐈
The whole vid was great, I loved the final topic about the crime bill to me the kid seemed to have a solid argument and it was great seeing the back and forth. Hope to see more of the "Change my mind" vids.
thanks, that was me!
@@PatrickEnglehart No worries, keep it up. 👍
love this video, so much variety in opinions
Patrick, the last guy, was great. I hope he comes on stream in the future to talk to Destiny. ALSO, the timestamps are off - 2 sections but 3 students, and the last discussion starts earlier than stamped.
Hey! That’s me lol, glad you enjoyed it. I would love to talk with Destiny more in the future!! Any idea how I could do that?
@@PatrickEnglehart My best guess is to join his Discord server and reach out to his mods to put you through to him.
@@mangobodybutter Will do, thanks for the advice!
I love the last guy. He gave destiny hell, but you can't change someones mind when they are unwilling.
Thanks! That was actually me, glad you enjoyed our convo!
Reading source documents and shaping your stance from there is an incredibly rare thing to do. Well done. I do wonder what Destiny exactly means by "Change my mind". I believe when he said "I will make one concession to you..." that you actually achieved his goal and did indeed change his mind. Again, well done.
You mean like destiny lol
I love all the young right wingers constantly saying how “we” built Western Civilization when they had ZERO hand in it.
ZERO hand in it PERSONALLY, I mean.
I don’t believe in collective guilt for slavery and colonialism and I don’t believe in taking collective credit for the accomplishments of our forebears.
So similar to how modern left wingers complain about slavery even tho they were never enslaved?
Actually the third guy destroyed destiny. Wow this guy is fantastic
Dude in the plaid button up pulled up ready and with receipts, idk how destiny could even attempt to dispute the "pull our forces from Sadia Arabia to show them they need us more then we need them" thing that was beautiful.
Thanks man, that was actually me, glad you enjoyed our convo!
@@PatrickEnglehart well u earned a sub my friend, keep being you. Very respectful and of sound mind. Never felt like you got lost or distracted with the Convo. Would love to see you speak more!
@@PatrickEnglehart Dude. You were genuinely impressive. I disagreed with you on the specifics of dealing with Russia and crime, but otherwise I strongly agreed with you. You clearly have a great mind.
As a person who legitimately gave up on college because of the cost I disagree heavily with destiny in the 3rd debate. The student is right in that sense my parents make a alright amount of money but not enough to get me through another 4+ years of school so I have enough to not get grants but not enough to go to school if the actual price was reasonable I would be in school right now and wouldn't have to go into the workforce to just make sure I can have a decent life
@@ConfTW111 that not cringe that the way it supposed to be of someone started payin for their house at 20 most would bot be able to pay for it in time to retire without debt.The adult is supposed to pay for their child education.Also We should be encouraging taking on debt over actual paying for it.The increase in collage will eventually put most people out of buying house after no more new one are being built and we have a upper class that is the only one who owns and people will only pay off student debt
Holy shit. That second conversation was amazing. That's what debates should be
Guy was stupid af nothing amazing about that
@Last guy: I hope you do more of that, I really enjoyed the respectful conversation!
The 18 year old is clearly parroting talking points from his parents. Hopefully he gets some of his own experience
They're all parroting points they remember from TH-cam videos 😂
That third debate was so good!
That was me lol, thank you!
@@PatrickEnglehart Great work
The studies that disagree with him are obviously fake, and there’s money involved
When a study agrees with him, it’s 100% facts.
😂😂😂
The irony is that it's actually true. And it sounds ridiculous, yes. And yet it's true.
@@Mant111 true my ass
@@rizwan1992100 It's totally true.
I'd much prefer to see the host of this discussion having this discussion with other content creators who go around universities performing exactly the same exercise but from the opposite side of the argument to see how their facts and research stack up against one another.
The "im not shaking your hand" got me dying bro 😭
Destiny had been turning me away for a while with what seemed like a major right shift, but he surprised me when I came to check in with some really based takes, and actually got into a really good discussion with the college costs dude.
His "major right shift" was just distancing himself from the least productive left takes. He's moved a bit more to the center and internet leftists hate anything center.
Even if Destiny has a "right shift" unless you only watch people you agree with that's either fine or a good thing since there must be more nuance to find. Watching people you disagree with is good
@@Rob526 thank you…I’m sick of seeing people on the left complain that destiny has been some right winger sympathizer
@@Rob526 Agreed, but when one you looked up to for a while suddenly starts dumping on everyone else in the lefty political sphere, it becomes kind of hard to like them. It wasn't because I disagreed with him per se, it was moreover I wasn't a fan of his seemingly newfound attitude. Guess I didn't make that distinction.
@@XxMonkeyman3831xX because they want to live in their echo chamber everything they disagree with is right wing.
"When he was more based, now he's super cringe" lol ooohhhhh boy
Patrick was BY FAR the best spoken and the most informed. He was also the only one that was truly debating on good faith.
Of course he's called Carson. What a massive bell sniff.
Carson is a boy's name
Carson is a pretty normal name
last name is Wolf, he's an adopted jew btw. that is what says it all