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What's your favorite setup? Do prefer to eliminate the compensator or install an upgraded aftermarket compensator?
Thanks GixxerFoo for all this with my build upcoming ♥️💪... I been thinking about this compensator issue & wondering if it's needed as I got a "17 Dyna with 85,000km ... The standard SE compensator price here in 🇦🇺 $750, it surely all adds up in the Land Down Under....😭
Would like your personal opinion on SE 585 cam for a 103 TC "17 Dyna, Heavy Breather, Bassani Sweepers.... Yes I do understand everything else needed inside but would like your straight up thought if I through the fob at you & told you what's in it.... & what would you think as you throw your leg over & hit the button ....????... Look forward to your response & advice & any further videos you bring out to assist...🙏♥️💪
Remember rule #1
Do Not F🤪CKING Die ❗
Safe travels 🙏♥️🐾🐾🇦🇺
Man O-War Motorsprocket...ONCE and done.
Question if I was going to change out my clutch OEM friction & steel plates ... Is it worth throwing in SE clutch plates or should I stick with the stand friction & steel plates....???
Bike "17 Dyna 103 TC
Remember rule #1
Safe travels 🙏♥️🐾🐾🇦🇺
If I'm not mistaken they started doing it on the 2011 models with the 103 ....I could be wrong....I hope not
Great explanation, it's a shame it takes the aftermarket to solve all of HD shortcomings for the price you pay for them.🤔
harley is same as auto makers..they want it to break so dealers can make money selling parts and service...if they do not break then dealers do not need the large service dept and parts dept..😮
Hey you get the heritage and the experience and…and …other stuff I guess….
My 2008 FLHTCU has 65,000 on it’s original comp. I never dog or mistreat my baby as they are expensive to repair. Time to change it to an upgraded SE comp and hopefully I will get 100,000 out of that comp.
Parts will last if you treat them right!!!
I bought my FXDLS brand new back in 2017. I brought it in for its 1000-mile checkup, and on the way home from the dealership I heard this loud clunking in the primary. Sure enough the SE compensator had failed with just over 1000 miles on the bike. Luckily the bike was under warranty, so Harley had to fix it for free. But here we are six years later and I'm hearing a clunk in the primary on shutdown. I will definitely be going with the Dark Horse comp eliminator. Such a simple yet great design, and I hear nothing but good things about them.
You got the 117 or 110?
@@scarredface2684 The 110 TC.
Did you find out what was causing the clunk on shut down?
@@CarlosGarcia-ls4hn The clunk on shutdown is usually the first sign of a worn compensator sprocket. Mine still does it to this day but it really hasn't gotten any worse and doesn't do it every shutdown. I still plan on installing the Dark Horse eliminator for peace of mind.
The noises when starting/hard starts/puff of smoke out the intake is exactly what my 96” TC has been doing! I’ve been ignoring it but I’m glad I know what it is now!
I welded my compensator together on my 07 Electra when it started to go. Poor man’s comp eliminator
The whole compensator/primary system was the one thing I couldn’t quite wrap my head around when I bought my first Harley. Thanks for the excellent overview of how this system works (and how it occasionally fails)
It's an old design but a really reliable system for the most part, compensator is for sure the weak spot.
I just did a s&s Big bore kit on my 99 lowrider, 88 twin cam and it's having a hard time starting it and making a shit sound down in the primary...u think the compensator could be the problem
Also new to Harleys...
Mine went out at 125k. Not bad. Man of war didnt have one for my 04 year.
I went with the Baker on my 110 after the OE compensator failed. I have zero complaints. I also went with the Baker Attitude adjuster manual primary chain adjuster. That thing was crazy noisy. I had to replace it with a Southern Oregon Hot bikes automatic adjuster, and everything has been perfect since.
I went with the Darkhorse and at the same time added fueling 543 cams and it came alive on an 08 Street glide. The only thing is it's hard to cruise in town at 25-35 mph. Like it needs another gear but as far as starting and finding neutral and other compensator problems all gone. Top notch videos Brother thank you for taking the time to do them.
I've had screaming eagle and Baker compensator Dark Horse is the way to go it's a no-brainer. I've done 30,000 km on mine and still haven't changed out my replacement bushes they provide on my 120R with a pretty pokie cam and a manual chain tension with a Bennett clutch Stock 6-speed Box which surprisingly is holding up
My 09 Road King has been thru 3 and it's at a bit over 80,000. If I have any further issues the Darkhorse will be used.
Good video.
DarkHorse - first thing I did on my 2014 FLHTK when purchased 4yrs ago & again on my 2015 FLHR last year - other than a little chain slop on the FLHR a few months later (at install paid for upgraded tensioner/didn't get it) put in a new Hayden M6 and all is running well. If you shop around, can find a DarkHorse for $425 shipped. Best selling point for me is it's less than $50 to rebuild when the time comes down the road!
Thx for the GRT Video...
I know I have been lucky at this point with my compensator stock SE on my 110. I have.had all that stuffff off and on at least 3 or 4 times when I was working on my motor
It did amaze me how all them discs worked,, and the ratchet parts.. at this point lol probably because I baby lol my bike.. The original stuff is still hanging in there at about 30K
I do run Amsoil as my fluids of choice on my bike,,, and I actually am happy with that fluid swap out.
They replaced mine on my 2013 bagger a few years ago. Was under extended warranty. I never noticed any difference before or after. Maybe a bit of a rattle but not very noticeable . It's just that when cold started, idles a bit higher and you feel more stress when putting it in gear. Good info on what to use if it fails. Also, probably why last bike, 06 bagger with 95 ci stage 3 big bore kit had issues. Later on, would backfire loudly when first started. I'm glad my 13 is upgraded after hearing this.
The Harley compensator is just another part of the bike from the dark ages. The Dark Horse design makes a lot of sense. Rubber cushioning is used by other manufacturers with a lot more durability and positive results.
It's also good enough for the rear belt drive hub. It just makes sense.
First compensator on my 2016 Harley Davidson ultra limited went 63,000 miles and then it sounded like a bag of
Gravel randomlyz out of nowhere…. Fixed and rockin’ Bike is only a stage 1 103 H.O.
That's exactly what they sound like and they fill the primary with a lot of metal.
Installed the Dark Horse on a friends 96 along with a manual tensioner. He said he loves it. Make sure you order a stator cover if your bike has the older style. That’s another $100 or so if I remember correct. I had to ever so slightly grind away a bit on the inside of the case to get the cover for the stator out, but I don’t think it’s that way on all of them. It has to pull straight out with the clutch pack and primary chain all together. They definitely appear and feel heavy duty.
The primary onmy sportster is all original 25years and 400,000 miles.
400000?
I have a twenty fourteen twin cam with the stock compensator it works great upgraded the chain and a barnet clutch pressure plate and Springs, also 525 fueling cam and S&S cam plate lifter's push rods. Exhaust runs great, nice video
On my 09 Deluxe I went with the Dark Horse compensator. The Baker adjustable tensioner and the DD7 trans. I’m happy.
Had mine replaced on my 2010 TC about 4 years ago. Never even heard of a compensator till it failed. Local shop did a great job replacing it. $$
Just glad you got it done at a local and not a dealer, the dealer markup is crazy!
You make a great argument NOT to mess with the engine by increasing HP and compression. My M8 has tons of power stock. And while your at it don't beat the shit out of your ride. I was at my local dealer and say this tool doing burn outs on his Harley. What a fool.
Dark horse is the way to go
I would have to agree, it's pretty hard to beat the way it's setup!
My first stock compensator began to fail at 20k miles. Since then, my second stock compensator has developed a slight rattle as well at 30k miles on the bike. This time I'm switching over to the Dark Horse and servicing every 20k miles...
Grate job on the channel!
After 13 month wait my stage1, 2014 SGS 103 is getting a big bore stage 4 to 110 tire shredder kit is here. I never had problem with stock compensator. That said I didn’t think it would hold up with the upgrade. I bought the baker 30 tooth for $750. I would have liked more info, Bakers says 13% gain across the board. It will bump RPM by 500 to get same MPH, Per Baker Chart. Thx Wally
I have a 2004 TC 88 and had an old compensator so I added 1 disc it works good
On my 2010 Superglide C i installed a Baker with a Hayden auto primary chain tensioner. Looking great so far. I would have gone with the Darkhorse if i'd have seen it first though.
Exactly what I did with my '09 streetglide. Tried the BDL eliminator, ...didn't work well for riding in town at low speeds. The Baker and the Hayden fixed that, made it enjoyable to ride at any speed.
Was that the 30 or 34 tooth compensator?
@@entiatmule3820 The Hayden did seem like the best option.
@@wallywire It was the 34. I do 90% highway so i like the taller gearing.
Compensator are junk. best thing I did to my shovel was put a solid sprocket. My 15 RK still has the stock SE in there but if it fails I’ll be putting the lightest solid sprocket I can find
I've had good luck with sprockets myself, never really noticed a difference between the compensator and the sprocket.
2008 FLHTCUI Clacking comp. replaced it with the heavier screaming eagle stock 96 seems to have fixed the clacking problem. With a T6 Chain tensioner. So far good.
Went with the dark horse for my 131 build. Love it!
It's a Harley.
You're not even supposed to worry about noise until it starts sounding like two skeletons porking on a tin roof.
That's funny shit right there.
Take a rip every time Gix says "compensator"💨
Love the videos homie🤙
I replaced my comp with another stock type from V-Twin Manufacturing . The spring broke in the OE. It's not a big deal to replace yourself, and you don't have to spend 600 bucks on one. The stock type is just fine, and I wouldn't trust rubber comps any farther then I can throw them. The best thing anyone can do, is install a Hydraulic tensioner like a Hayden or V-Twin Manufacturing 18-0120 (which I use). Running no comp can possibly wear our your trans if you have a 6 speed.
I have the Dark Horse Man-O-War on my 2019 Road Glide Special. 59k no issues.
Never had an issue on my 09 glide, I never pushed it hard unless I had to of course, was still running sweet even after-150,000 Miles totally stock engine, except for better breathing and exhaust and oil changes every 2000, but yes I can see you'll need a better compensator with higher horsepower in hard use cheers from Australia
This was great information thank you. I really enjoy your channel.
Thanks for watching!
I think it's a personal preference, like solid vs adj pushrods. I like the aftermarket compensators
There's nothing wrong with adjustable pushrods unless you're getting beyond bolt in cams with heavy valve springs and very high lift cams. That's where you want to start considering some solid push rods since you'll have the heads off anyhow for springs. Honestly you can't beat a high quality aftermarket compensator compared to the stock units.
I love the dark horse unit. I also have the s& s easy start cams. I am very pleased
Very relevant topic. My 2014 Ultra is starting to make noise at 58000 miles.
Another informative video! Have a 2014 flhtk, hoping the upgrade continues to perform as well as it has thus far🤙
I'm running a 30 tooth compensator eliminator. I love the gear reduction.
Did you have to get a shorter chain (or have a link taken out)?
@@Jonathan-Lit comes with a new chain that fits. I had to change gear ratios in the tune with my Power Vision. It was easy to find the correct ratios.
The dark horse is be the best choice in my opinion
Love my dark horse!
The catch is crank runout can’t be over .006” if you go that route.
My compensator blew on my m8 107 475 s&s cam etc. Replaced it with a baker, working great so far.
2008 electra glide classic. I run it stock, aside from true duals and an intake. I went for a solid sprocket. Eliminate the problem. I don't run it hard, it's got over 60k anyway. The only thing I've noticed is that I have to ride differently. I usually keep it above 2200rpm when riding thru slower areas or when I get behind a cage that doesn't know how to drive. Anything less, you will feel every firing of those cylinders and it shakes like an earthquake. If I was going to put any kind of power upgrades into it, I'd definitely not have gone with a solid sprocket, but maybe the man o war.
As built comp sprocket in my 64 FL .
Yea, Darkhorse looks like The One to go to , and Being Serviceable- Makes it A No Brainer !!!
Why is the big twin have so many problems while the Sportster is trouble free?
It's not the sporster. It's the EVO motors. They're far more reliable due to lesser moving parts and simplicity that keep EVO running without any collateral issues
The Sportster is a superior bike it is Harley Davidsons signature motorcycle
Straight up and down. Push rods. One piece motor and trans. Four balanced cams. 2003 sportster sport.👍🇨🇦🏍
I don't burn tires off but I ride the piss out my harleys only thing I know to say keep the oil changed and good kk filter
Sportster is harley entry bike so they don't want people getting stranded on entry bike and getting turned away from riding Harleys
My 2011 street bob with the 110 tire shredder seems to struggle turning over when I start it during cooler temperatures. Once fired up it's good no noticeable sounds coming from the primary. Bike dynoed at 106hp and 122tq and compensator is stock 🤔
2013 FLHTK, had a Baker, didnt last for me. Put in a Dark Horse an love it. Shifts are solid and finding neutral is a non issue. Love the Dark Horse.
I never knew about the dark horse, I like the fact that it's rebuildable! But just how bad is the straight sprocket? All the big cube guys go that route.
I have a straight sprocket. It is a little noisy but overall it works great and it was under 200 bucks
I had the compensator on my 09 on warranty. The screaming eagle compensator is holding up just fine.
That's good to hear! That added spring pack makes a difference!
Screaming eagle 110 , 2016 model , failed at 52k miles , went with another Screaming eagle compensator being that it's still stock motor, but when I upgrade cams and heads , which is the best to go with ? As far as bullet proof longevity ??? Thanks for the great informative videos
Thank God I got a old EVO, NO PROBLEMS 😊
45,000 miles on my stock 103...so far, so good.
Lol random to see a pic of me and my road glide doing a burnout in your video.
I like my Man-O-War in my 128 Low Rider S. My 100hp 107ftlb 95ci 03 Road King still has the original comp with 50k on it.
My 2016, 103ci has 41k on it and it sounds like my grandmothers washing machine.
Any weird noises on start up or anything? That could be the compensator getting ready to go out.
BDL belt drive. Works great. Yes its more money.
You don't see a lot of belt drives anymore these days, not a bad idea at all though.
@@GixxerFoo I absolutely love the mechanical noise. Clackity, clackity. Then sing of the clutch as it is disengaged.
Have on my 91 flhs, no problems
I am original owner of a 09 fat bob. I installed a BDL belt drive @25k miles. I have put 12k trouble free miles since. It was life changing getting rid of the "clunk" going into 1st. The dry clutch is smooth and very quiet. The " cool factor" ain't bad either. I would totally recommend it as an alternative.
Dark horse sounds like my choice however I’m a newbie in regards to mechanical knowledge
I’ve got the dark horse in my ‘17 FXDLS. I Think it needs a refune though
Hi 👋,Foo, The Dark Horse 🐎 😂, sounds like the way to go, It is a bit of a Dark Horse 🐴 anyway, 😂, Ride Safe guys and girls,
Phil from the moulin France.
I have to agree! That's a nice setup and you can rebuild it as needed, the rebuild kit is a lot cheaper than a compensator replacement.
I talked to Darkhorse the other day for their compensator for a 2005 softail, not available, only 2007 and later. I'm most likely going to go solid gear.
I've been thinking about adapting the compensator used in my '68 into my '97 since I have a new set of parts sitting.
I run my 80 ci
Evo. Stock.
Don’t hot rod it, just ride it!
I’ve got race bikes for that.
Why do you never mention the rubber cushions in the rear hub? European and Japanese bikes have had them for many years. I presently use the spring loaded primary chain tensioner, that works quite well. Harleyguy 08. Love your videos.
I installed a compensator eliminator on my 2014 Electra Glide Police. I use it for funeral escort work so it gets a lot of miles weekly. It is a bit noisy. And, it vibrates at slow rpm. The sprocket is much lighter than the compensator, so the engine seems to rev guicker.
2017 M8 124” Ultra. Went with a cycle rama heavy duty comp ramp and kept the stock compensator. The comp ramp is what seems to be the only real problem with the stock compensators. Or so I hear.
Im happy my newest bike is a twin cam 88. Never had any issues.
I have 116,500 on my 03 88 RKP and have no issues with the compensator, I don't give it hell and it is basically stock
@@martincvitkovich724 Nice! Have you done the chain cam tensioners?
yes at 39K ,80K ,100K and 110 K. I found afremarket wore quicker than the ones I got from HD@@GJM866
I run the Dark Horse. No issues with it.
Man o war comp
SOHB adjuster
Evolution industries 49t terminator complete billet clutch assembly
Never worry about it again, oh and Baker dd7 transmission on my 2009 triglide with fuel moto 107 kit wood 555 cams running a thundermax tuner.
I want to get Harley but such bad reputation for reliability. Do you think a 96ci is a good reliable engine? My budget is tight and looks like that's what I can afford for now.
The 96 is a good motor, it's the same architecture as the 103, just got a bad reputation out of the factory for running hot. Which it did with the factory tuning, you get a flash tune on it and they are good to go. Compensators were a hit and miss issue on those engines.
@@GixxerFoo thanks for the quick reply. Like your channel and your knowledge 👍very helpful. I'm ex-sportbike rider but already in 50s so decided to stay riding cruiser. I had v-star 1100 for 4 years but I was never satisfied with the riding and low power of that bike. Thanks again ride safe.
Another great informative video!
I ride 2014 fatbob v/h pro pipe (Fp3 tuner) big breather . The factory copensator seems to handle the power fine 135 mph so far and its never shown any signes of failure. H D. POWER,
BDL belt drive, works great on my shovelhead
I've welded more than my share of compensator s but I prefer a solid sprocket you just have to be a well experienced rider to use one ! One thing you did not mention but the failing HD compensator s will destroy clutch hubs & starters !
I tend to hear a high pitched whine from the pillion when I give it full throttle...
Had a few harley's, never a compensator problem
Here I thought the compensators in the 88 were a different animal than the 96. I’ve still got the original one in there with 180000 miles on it. About 70000 of those miles are with the engine upgraded to a 106 stroker. Maybe the easy start cams are saving me?
I always remove the whole primary drive and instal a belt primary. Nexer have had any issues after.
Reason number 537.2 not to sell my 03 RK.
I run the man o war love it and I now have peace of mind
So that’s what it is! 🙂
My 2012 comp went out at 53000 changed to a baker and got only 50000 contacted baker and they said that was pretty good so I went back to the se comp no problems. I have 125000 on my bike and I believe my automatic chain tensioner just gave up sounds like chain is jumping any ideas?
An alleged 120 years later, and still the agony.
Do they make a Darkhorse for pre 2006 TC88?
another reason i'm happy to be on my TC88.
have a 09 FLHX replaced stock compensator at 95k with screaming eagle compensator have 158k now still working good, bike is bone stock accept for slip ons
Dark Horse works great for me.
My compensator on my 2018 TriGlide self destructed at 33k. Luckily it was under warranty
Can't find a 28 tooth compensator sprocket for my 04 FLHT that is 117CI and with a Baker DD6-REV transmission other than the stock 04 compensator with the Baker 28 tooth sprocket. No problems so far.
I just had an epiphany why compensators are used on HDs. 45° is not a great angle for an engine as cool as they sound. The 120° lobes of the compensator try to get the engine closer to 90° twin power pulses to the rest of the powertrain which are much less harmful and easy for it to deal with. Not perfect either. All V twins are trying to eat themselves like an old steam locomotive!
Sir, what causes a loud clunk when shutting down an engine? I have a high compression, built to 113 ci, Harley Springer. I changed to a new OEM compensator, but that did not fix the problem. It is an intermittent problem. I adjusted the chain by adjusting at the clutch basket and cable adjuster. People are telling me it is caused by the engine, which may be in the middle of a stroke when shut down. What say you?
With high compression and without hearing it myself I would towards it's in the engine when you shut it down it's still going to rotate and come to a stop. You to take the fire out of it while it's rotating during shut down it might build compression and kick back since it doesn't have another bang to rotate it over.
My Harley is gear driven: there’s no chain or that ridiculous contraption called a compensator. LOL...my Shovelhead has a compensator. Hasn’t Harly come up with a better idea yet? Oh wait, they did...it’s called a V Rod
I didn’t read every last comment so this may have already been brought up, but the idea that just eliminating the compensator is a viable option seems a little bewildering to me. Why does the compensator fail? Too many/major ‘shocks’ from the engine side. OK , let’s just eliminate the “shock absorber”!
My mostly stock 2011 Softail has just over 40K and seems fine so far (orig owner). At some point I may upgrade it and will most likely go with the Dark Horse.
What about the STAR upgrade compensator ramp? Or the one from Moonshine Harley? I’ve read these are huge upgrade compared to stock, or is Man O War still the way to go? Thanks
darkhorse and the hayden automatic tensioner set it and forget it bulletproof
Whats the biggest symptom to look for? I cant tell if mine is bad. I can find neutral no problem. As far as noise idk what's normal noise. 08 SG 96. 30k miles
It will sound like a box of rocks, like the dry clutch on a Ducati. There will be some really awful noises coming from the front of the primary.
On my 2007 Fatboy, I did a compensator elimination using an Evolution Industries Compensator Elimination Kit. I can't tell any difference in riding, acceleration, or deceleration. I do know when I am in the wrong gear for the speed I am traveling. I must use a lower gear for the slower speeds. I get a clunking sound from the primary. Most notable is taking off from a stop in 2nd gear, as it will be loud clunking, as if something came apart inside the primary, but if I down shift to 1st gear the noise stops. Overall I am happy with the compensator elimination kit.
OK, let's say I want a manual tensioner. what would you recommend, The Baker is $300!!!
There are some less expensive options VTwin manufacturing for $123 www2.vtwinmfg.com/manual-primary-chain-adjuster-kit.html
Great video thanks for the information big decision baker or dark horse , twin cam 88 ????