I have a Low Rider S with PV, I have a Fast Johnnie Road Glide and before the summer I'm going to tune it with PV, I want a 23 Low Riser ST to install a Trask turbo system, I think I'm going to buy a Thundermax ECU just to be safe..... hopefully the Chevron case take power away from the government.... and remember... FUCK THE EPA....
That's exactly what I saw coming when all this started coming down the line, huh government just created a parallel market and the o'l boy making parts in the back room of his shop suddenly has a new truck for those rainy and cold days.
I've been a machinist, now toolmaker for over 45yrs. I worked for a few hi-perf aftermarket companies. Yep, they had their own products and would take them to races to sell, to fund their own racing. Now, CNC machinery is rather affordable and if ya got the smarts, you can make parts, and money.
I used to be a regular citizen. But due to living in California, I am now an outlaw....an outlaw biker...I buy my parts from anyone, ebay, amazon or your mom. Currently I have a set of cams, a ss camplate that I had lying around but I can't get an ss pump. I've ordered 2 and had both sales canceled. And btw I will never buy an exhaust with a cat. Never. And if I do I'll cut it out. The epa are fckn idiots, like motorcycles cause much pollution compared to airplanes or bombs.
Do you folks from California have to have your bikes smog certified? I know that you’ve got to get your cars tested but I wasn’t sure about your motorcycles.
I think early carburated Twin Cam 88s are going to be the go-to machines for those of us that want something reliable that can be modified. Sorry I sold my 01 RK.
Those are some awesome machines, just update the cam chest and you're good to go. You can do a lot with those bikes, if tuning goes to crap like it looks like is happening we'll be converting FI bikes back to the carb.
Over here in UK 2 years ago i bought a immac 2002 Twin Cam carb bike. I had to get it through the stupid ULEZ law we have here .But its great not to have all the electronic gear on it ,not even fob starting or alarm ,no ABS , Cruise ,ride by wire. Just s motorcycle.
The biggest piece of information to be aware of as a Harley owner or Harley Buyer is that you do not want to participate in any government rebate dollars where they say they will give you a $5000 coupon on buying a new motorcycle of current year model if you let them crush your old motorcycle. They ran a program like this through the 1990s and the first 10 years up through 2010 and they managed to crush almost every old vintage vehicle that was still reliably running and people could repair themselves in their garage and be independent of finance companies dealerships and expensive computer based repairs. I am still of the opinion that it would be less toxic to the environment to reuse the vehicles that have already been built then to crush them put all those toxins into the earth re-process all of those metals and plastics and oils to make a new vehicle that will only last five years at the most and have to be replaced again. A long term study would reveal this but it does not benefit big government or big corporation pocketbooks it would only benefit middle and low income do it yourself motorcycle owners and riders. That’s why you haven’t heard of it. Don’t be a clone for their robot clone army, think for yourself.
You are 100% correct! After that cash for clunkers crap our used vehicle prices skyrocketed and it ruined the used market. You couldn't get a running car for 500 bucks anymore and totally screwed everyone.
Not giving up my '93, '97, or my 2012, with one of the last race tuners sold in the U.S. & Dyno'd.😅😂🤣 The E.P.A. is a JOKE! If one knows how to weld, make your own stepped headers. I did for the '93.
If you don't know how to weld. Head to the community college and learn. EPA would go nuts with me. When they banned leaded gas, I wasn't destroying my bike. I probably dump way more lead adding my own than the gas ever did.
80 ci evo, with an Andrews cam, ported heads, carburetor tuned, with drag pipes. Zero emissions!! Softail Yes, still won’t out run a M8. But I love it, and it’s fast enough for me!! Great video as always!!
I love those mom and pop bikes shops, I can go broke if I ain't careful or have to come back with the truck cause I can't carry what all I bought on the bike lol.
The opportunity for swap meet trading and bartering are about to grow in a big way. Traded items are not revenue items as I understand it. No taxation, no transactions to register just friends swapping parts out of the love of motorcycles. They can’t tax or quantify that now or ever.
I own and ride 3 old Harleys 1949, 1957, and 1968. My garage, house, and backyard shed is parts bin and a swap meet that nothing ever gets sold from 😂. You've got to trade for something that I need in order to get what I have.
like you I have the old stuff, 1969, 1977, 2 1979, 1980, 1982, 1983. and lots of parts I roll around naked in when no one's looking, hahaha always looking for something older but the prices on the older stuff makes me shy away, AMF bikes are good if built right.
If you can afford it buy now and hang onto it till you need it. I bought a 131 crate engine and 131 conversion kit, just for when the engine gets tired. Cost effective? Probably not. Do I sleep worriless at night? Yes
i always told my friends that this day would come. as long as someone is tech savvy....unlocking and tuning a ECU on a motorcycle is going to be a breeze... all the programming could be done at home... we are going BACKWARDS in time... more DIY than ever is coming and i actually enjoy it... not enjoying the EPA part of things but you get my point.
@GixxerFoo well, I mean it's cool that we can have shops do it for us... but I miss the creativity that came from the " old heads" ... I'm almost 32 and I remember, as a kid, bike shows had the same bike... but done is so many ways... now? It's like going to an outdoor dealership... they all look the same. ( unless VERY custom )
I have a 883 and have no problem with vibration. I have had my Sportster for 25 years and 400,000 miles on the original engine and 37 back tires and 17 front ones and 3 belts in 25 years. Very reliable and dependable transportation as l don't have a car 🚗. I just had the carburetor on my Sportster cleaned for the first time in 25 years. Oil temp is 200* 2 up in Florida in the summer ⛱️🌞. No engine heat issues at all. No experience with EFI rubber mounted frames. My Sportster has outlasted all of my Honda's put together.
I am not giving my bike away or trade them in, for years I have been buying parts for each one of the mostly old new stock, I have 3 anniversary Harley’s and a 2015 heritage and a 2018 road glide ultra, I got tuners for all of them, exhaust and other high performance stuff, like I said before EPA should give motorcycles an exemption but they won’t, as it is some stuff for my 2015 Harley’s is already saying obsolete, so I get the parts were I can, and I will keep buying and stashing them away, I knew this would happen sooner or later, I even have a few brand new extra tuners brand new that are not made anymore stashed away also, keep it going your videos are great and informative!
Thank you, I appreciate that! I try to keep up with the goings on in the market and talk to other shops and part time guys like myself. Exchange of information make the community stronger!
Glad that I have kept an older set of moderately used Screamin' Eagle and Bassani 2-int-1 exhaust pipes for my 2005 Stage IV Fatboy. I was going to sell them, but with this news, I think I'll keep them around for a while.
You'd think parting out old bikes would be more "ecologically friendly" than dumping the entire thing into a dumpster to be recycled, but then, this is america. It also makes perfect sense to hop bikes up to the maximum to run them on a Dyno just for bragging rights, and park most of them in a garage, but then, this is still america. Good video, as usual.👍
It's really crazy when you come across a garage find that had maybe 7 or 8K worth of motor work done 20 years ago and the engine doesn't even have 5K miles on it.
Thy always go after the smallest portion of an issue. As far as pollution goes street bikes are minimally contributing to the issue. Private jets, industry and every other country on earth pollute a lot more than a 2 cylinder engine. Besides if they stop clear cutting and stripping the topsoil them poisoning the ground to extract the gold we could fix it. Trees take in co2 and exhale oxygen. Go figure so cutting down the biggest source of oxygen on this side of the world might be bad trees sequester carbon. Removing it from the atmosphere. So don’t believe the lies 80% of the problem can be solved by regrowing the Amazon. It affects the oceans flows and weather patterns as well. It certainly would be much easier and effective the trading one pollutant for another. Ev batteries very bad for environment
@@GixxerFoo It's the same with all of those "choppers." A coupla years ago, I bought a high dollar Paul Yaffe chopper for 1200 bucks from a local Harley shop that couldn't sell it. It was such junk that I used it for a door stop in my shop for a couple of years until a friend of mine bought it. I had never tried to transfer the title, but when my buddy did, the otiginal title kept coming back as some kind of travel trailer, and it ended up costing him an extra 800 bucks to straighten out the paperwork. From a Harley shop. I offered to give give him his money back, but he kept the bike. Some people just have expensive egos to stroke, but when I'm out on my humble little box stock '72 ElectraGlide or '97 WideGlide with only a custom paint job, the high dollar guys always come over and eyeball them.
I have an 01 Night Train with a Mikuni carb and V+H pipes from the time period and no problems. I like that simple style of motorcycle that is maintainable in my garage, it has never been back to a dealer after it was bought. The computer loops of sensors and fuel injectors take more of a beating on a motorcycle from exposure, chips become obsolete. Put a S&S Super B carb and 12" straight pipes on that new bagger while you still can, look like a strobe light going down the road!
I’m in the same boat as you. I have an 08 sportster. Electrical parts are not available and the ones are are super rare. They aren’t making them anymore and everything on back order the timeline gets pushed forward. I fried my tuner so when I replaced the ECM had to get a new one turns out since I had put it on all the tuners were illegal. Got a Screaming Eagle tune from Harley and it has no power. Can’t power wheelie, clutch ups are difficult.
I’m fortunate enough to have recently received my DynoJet Power Vision pv4 from Fuel Moto about a week ago, due to your advice Foo, so hopefully I’ll be able to get my ‘06 FXDWGI richened up a bit before the EPA hunts me down for putting excess plant food into the atmosphere.
Hi Foo , sound saves lives, I know this is a slightly different scenario, but two weeks ago I was down in my local town, I looked both ways to see if there’s anything coming in traffic, I went to step on to the road I nearly got hit by electric car, Luckily, I had my wits about me, I think they are going about this in the wrong direction , As there is more things out in the road in atmosphere, that produces more pollution than what a motorcycle does, that should be their first priority, not the minority motorbikes, we will not be allowed to fart soon. We will need a pipe up by us to collect it. Perhaps we should save it and send it TO THE EPA , we are being persecuted because we ride motorbikes, And obviously we’d love our freedom, and we are being manipulated and being controlled by government authorities that are taking over the world and we all know where that’s going,
They argue against us that loud pipes save lives, but like you just mention with the electric car they are trying to mandate that those electric cars need to make noise since they are so quiet!! That's our government for you! I hope you're doing alright and glad you had your wits about you!
You hit the nail on the head about the electric cars being as silent as the grim reaper. I'm currently in Tenerife and it's the first time I have seen a section of road used by sightseers that has a section of sonic paving. Car tyres hit the section and sound like race cars. As for the restriction on new vehicles being the manufacturer at fault. Couldn't be further from the truth. It's called type approval. It's laws we have no opportunity to vote on. And the testing itself is flawed at best. Freedom is no longer a right.
Maybe the manufacturers will come up with a removable cat system, like the db reducers, that you can remove after point of sale but covers them for the sale? just a thought
That's a really slick idea! Remvovebit for the track and put it back before you ride home after "racing". I love the idea but you know what we would all do.
There's gonna be a spike in single fire ignitions and carburetor purchases. I've actually seen a Milwaukee 8 converted to a carb already. Guy bought an Ebay motor and put it in a custom frame, hell of a lot cheaper than trying to run FI and mess with tuning.
Learn to weld, make your own, sell your labor to others that don't have the skill. This is just going to bring us all back to skilled labor and away from the big names.
2010 Softail Deluxe was a 96ci, now a 103ci. Very well massaged top end terminating in D&D Fat Cat 2 into 1. Came complete with one of them tuner dohickeys. 96hp, 108 tq. Guess I'll be keeping this one forever as a hotrod. Of course there's plenty of older touring bikes out there to add to the stable.
I am really concerned how much longer manufacturers are going to be able to produce no compliant parts for "race use". The big companies are already tucking tail to the EPA.
@GixxerFoo yeah,not sure what I'll do. One if mt best bugs is a HD Mastertech. He built the engine and tuned it. Maybe I'll get lucky and find a nicely modified older touring bike to start with. Maybe it even comes with its own tuner. Like my Softail. My Softail is a conservative build/tune. Still gets 40 mpg+. It's just quicker. Personally as long as the touring bike has enough ass to do 70 Mph, 2 up with luggage and merges ok, navigates on and off ramps etc, I'm fine with a conservative build/tune. I'm just not a fan of a few morons dictating how people can live their lives.
Just saying, the Twin Cam was the last big twin that still sounds like a "Harley". HD tried to patent their "sound" in 1994. They completely walked away from it with the introduction of the Milwaukee 8 and the Revolution "Sportster"! 🙉
The stock 117 on my FXLRS has more than enough power to do anything you would want. The stock exhaust is not the best, but I wouldn't want it more than 20% louder. If I want some performance, I'll buy a bike that actually performs, like a sport naked, with much better power, lean angle and performance parts for a fraction of what it would cost to build a Harley. What really bugs me about this whole thing is the amount of government overreach.
I see a lot of motorcycle recycling yards to pick up on used exhaust/ carburetors an a few cam assembly, even some shops picking up business to modify recycled exhaust, there is plenty of cheap meteric pre-bent down tubes to chose from.
I am concerned they are going to come after the cams next, high over lap cams aren't exactly emissions legal but they make big power! That's why screamin eagle stuff is unimpressive is the cams have no overlap to be street legal.
@@GixxerFoo I sure there are a few machine shops, that can handle the heat treatment of rolled stock, to make copies, an who ever said the cat, can't be a separate piece.
Here in France, in à few days, motorcycles Will have to be controlled every three years (every two years for cars). This year, the sound made by the bike will not be precisely measured, just "evaluated" by ear... Emissions will be measured though along with other criteria (tires, lights, licence plate, brakes...) It's been a long fight between bikers and the government but apparently we lost the battle...
You know how much someone from the government wishes they could kick in your garage and take it right now. There's some seriously whacko people enforcing this crap they are hard after it to the point they stay up for days on end thinking about it.
@@GixxerFoo It's why I live in Tennessee instead of California. way back in 1991, I bought an El Camino that had an 454 factory and a 4 speed factory. I wasn't allowed to register in california.
I’ve got two bikes, a 99 FXD SUPERGLIDE and a 2016 Ultra Limited. The FXD came with Screaming Eagle exhaust and sounds okay for now. But the Ultras’ exhaust is stock (and it’s in California), so I guess I’d better go to my mechanics shop and see about an exhaust while I can, and also check out swap meets. 9:24
Feeling kind of lame but took me a minute to get used to the cam. Never had anything but exhaust and air breather on any of the shovels I had. After a bolt in cam and proper tune this 96 runs exceptional ,at least suits me
The EPA’s concern with motorcycles should be the least of concerns if there genuinely is one. This really boils down to a bunch of whiny people that just have a dislike in motorcycles from the jump.
I guess i'm screwed. Been saving up for cams, exhaust and filter for my 96", but what is the point now. If i can't get the best performance why do it. I'll just stick with stock motor with my loud as fuck short shots.
I've got a great parts store here. If Curtis doesn't have it, it doesn't exist. I've been shopping at his store for over 30 years. He even has some of the impossible to find parts in used and new old stock. I got a quick detach back rest for my 2914 Street Glide Special from him for $120.00, including the wide back pad.
Hey bro , I finished the Duece I told you about that I bought with 50k on the clock . I only paid 48 hundred for it and It was a one owner. Bike is a cream puff. Anyway I put fueling cam chest and hypo oil pump, lifters and I threw in that screamin Eagle 203 bolt in cam , it was cheap but really made a considerable difference especially with my heads getting ported and polished like a mirror. Point being, I have about 72hundred in a very dependable Harley Davidson. 😊
What is the date the tuner manufacturers are required to lock the fuel mixture ability? Also I just decated my header using a hammer drill, and a boring bit with an extension. I also put on 41/2” slip ons that were too loud so I wrapped the baffles, and now it sounds just the way I like it. I would like to get it tuned. I was thinking about getting a Power vision.
swap meets are awesome and, I also could always get a case of beer for my dad to have him help me weld up a custom exhaust for the bike and just have to buy flanges and metal pipe instead of hunting down an existing set of pipes
Your right Gixx, when backed into a corner most of us will find a way to make it work, I buy used parts from places like craigslist, kijiji, swap meets and word of mouth. And as far as exhaust, when in doubt...cut it out, the old grey beards have the mechanical knowledge, we just need the younger guys to be able to write computer program or know someone who can do that and your back making beautiful loud music and having a tire shredding good time. and for the record a cat may or may not have fallen out of one of my bikes 🤔🤫Cheers from the Great White North.
We are gonna needs guys who can crack the tuners. Unmarry vins and make the locked AFR tables unlocked, it can be done it's just no one really wants to publicly stick their neck out there.
I swear you're talking about my local second hand Harley shop. It's in an old farm and the dude has a legit museum of motorcycle history upstairs with stuff dating back to the early 1900s on display.
Those places are gonna be our new safe havens for getting what we need. The government wants this cut at the manufacturing level. So sure the older stuff is grandfathered in but you can't get any new parts for it.
We as bikers are nothing if not, innovative. When we started making speed parts, we made them ourselves. We went to a Machinest and they had a cam ground. Have you looked at Tuner cars? The advances made in performance in those goofy little cars is amazing. And who did The computer modifications? Some Mexican kids in California figured that stuff out. The EPA are the ones that Mac to send you the corner with fuel injection in the first place. We will adapt and overcome lol.
That's the attitude and the spirit we all need to adopt. Tuners will get unlocked, software will be modified, garages and back yard machine shops will open for business and we'll remain ungovernable. We just won't be able to order it online and have it delivered in some flashy box anymore. I will miss the stickers though lol.
I have an 04 carbureted Heritage and I'm already not going to my local dealership because it seems like they don't stock specific parts for my bike and it would take them two to three weeks to get them, where as on the internet it take a couple days on average.
Same thing happened the with new gen Yamaha R1’s. They “locked” you out of the ecu so you couldn’t tune them. Eventually the tuners figured out how to bypass it. I’m sure the same thing will happen with HD.
Metric bikes most always were tuned with inline tuners like the Power Commander, but you didn't need much more than that if just did a slip on, full system and an air filter. My GSX-R1000 we flashed with the old brick of a Yoshimura box with the dials and swtiches, lol it was 2003.
Your videos are always great and full of information, but what is really impressive to me is your collection of harley t shirts. I actually had to look up one your wearing and being from Ukraine had to buy one.
I am glad you caught exactly what that shirt was in support of! I support Ukraine and the sacrifices everyone is making for one man's greed. I am also a firefighter and l saw what those guys were doing to rescue people and put out fires in the middle of a war.
I have a lot of good deals and hard to find parts at swap meets . But you should not limit yourself , I found a very good exhaust for my evo at a second hand store . 9:33
I’ve been kicking around looking for a 100th Anniversary Harley as original as possible but I’d love to swap out the exhaust. eBay still sells old school drag pipes. Those will probably fit some of the newer bikes.
I don't even know where a chrome shop is anymore, buddy of mine used to run one back in the day and they regulated him into oblivion. Powder coating black is about the way to go anymore.
NY basically shut the whole conversation down by saying, "no modification to the exhaust system will pass inspection". it causes people to FIND all those original pipes that were just thrown in the trash. there was word that they would not send out your new registration unless it had been inspected the previous year. that doesn't appear to be true since i did get a renewal on my '71 which wouldn't pass because of straight pipes. the inspection process is all computerized with the state data system and they put the onus on the guy who does the inspection who has to log in to the system. nobody will risk a $5k-$10k fine for a $10 inspection. some riders are finding ways to register there bikes in other states.
I have a connection still that can set the “illegal” screaming Eagle tuners back to factory. $175.00, send it out and have it back in 2 1/2 weeks. One of the best tuners still
If we can't get new "race parts" anymore what's your secret for finding what you need for your motorcycle?
Build it or get it used in 😉 new condition, or referb it..... Been doing it for years.
Having the ability to fabricate my own parts. And a friend with a lathe that can grind cams.
I am a machinist, I can make horsepower.
I have a Low Rider S with PV, I have a Fast Johnnie Road Glide and before the summer I'm going to tune it with PV, I want a 23 Low Riser ST to install a Trask turbo system, I think I'm going to buy a Thundermax ECU just to be safe..... hopefully the Chevron case take power away from the government.... and remember... FUCK THE EPA....
Where r the abate to fight this crap. They will come after the noise bikes if we don't stand up for r freedoms.
Always support your local independant bike shops! Magic can happen at those places.
@@upsidedowndog1256 ....or rip offs. That's my experience.
People are just going to start machining stuff and then bring their wares to swap meets. Swap Meets just got even more fun to go to!!!
That's exactly what I saw coming when all this started coming down the line, huh government just created a parallel market and the o'l boy making parts in the back room of his shop suddenly has a new truck for those rainy and cold days.
I've been a machinist, now toolmaker for over 45yrs. I worked for a few hi-perf aftermarket companies. Yep, they had their own products and would take them to races to sell, to fund their own racing. Now, CNC machinery is rather affordable and if ya got the smarts, you can make parts, and money.
I used to be a regular citizen. But due to living in California, I am now an outlaw....an outlaw biker...I buy my parts from anyone, ebay, amazon or your mom. Currently I have a set of cams, a ss camplate that I had lying around but I can't get an ss pump. I've ordered 2 and had both sales canceled. And btw I will never buy an exhaust with a cat. Never. And if I do I'll cut it out.
The epa are fckn idiots, like motorcycles cause much pollution compared to airplanes or bombs.
You know I never thought about how the definition of an outlaw biker has changed lol, that's not off base at all right there!
Good one .....Shit brother my mom always has deals on her parts.... Ask anyone 🤣🤣🤣 I love that , " eBay, Amazon , your mom"
I see Big Brother dropping a RICO case on our parts swap shows and underground software companies that pop up. 😅
Do you folks from California have to have your bikes smog certified? I know that you’ve got to get your cars tested but I wasn’t sure about your motorcycles.
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I'm shocked the EPA isn't selling the old pipes like the cops do the recovered guns.
True believers, the most dangerous kinds.
I think early carburated Twin Cam 88s are going to be the go-to machines for those of us that want something reliable that can be modified. Sorry I sold my 01 RK.
Those are some awesome machines, just update the cam chest and you're good to go. You can do a lot with those bikes, if tuning goes to crap like it looks like is happening we'll be converting FI bikes back to the carb.
@@GixxerFoo True. I still have my 06 FI Deluxe and I plan on doing just that. Hopefully, I can get a decent tuner for it before it all goes away.
@@GixxerFoo thank god i grew up tuning old oil cooled 4 carb gsxr 1127's
I have a carbed TC88 and I would love to go back to an Evo Sportster.
Over here in UK 2 years ago i bought a immac 2002 Twin Cam carb bike.
I had to get it through the stupid ULEZ law we have here .But its great not to have all the electronic gear on it ,not even fob starting or alarm ,no ABS , Cruise ,ride by wire.
Just s motorcycle.
And all those old cars are going to be worth gold!!
Already are.
this does give MCs over 20 years old, special added value.
If you want to do anything to an FI bike with what's about to be available you're gonna pay out the butt for it and get way less out of it.
Swap meets are king. Local indie shops are a must for the older models.
The biggest piece of information to be aware of as a Harley owner or Harley Buyer is that you do not want to participate in any government rebate dollars where they say they will give you a $5000 coupon on buying a new motorcycle of current year model if you let them crush your old motorcycle. They ran a program like this through the 1990s and the first 10 years up through 2010 and they managed to crush almost every old vintage vehicle that was still reliably running and people could repair themselves in their garage and be independent of finance companies dealerships and expensive computer based repairs. I am still of the opinion that it would be less toxic to the environment to reuse the vehicles that have already been built then to crush them put all those toxins into the earth re-process all of those metals and plastics and oils to make a new vehicle that will only last five years at the most and have to be replaced again. A long term study would reveal this but it does not benefit big government or big corporation pocketbooks it would only benefit middle and low income do it yourself motorcycle owners and riders. That’s why you haven’t heard of it. Don’t be a clone for their robot clone army, think for yourself.
You are 100% correct! After that cash for clunkers crap our used vehicle prices skyrocketed and it ruined the used market. You couldn't get a running car for 500 bucks anymore and totally screwed everyone.
Not giving up my '93, '97, or my 2012, with one of the last race tuners sold in the U.S. & Dyno'd.😅😂🤣 The E.P.A. is a JOKE! If one knows how to weld, make your own stepped headers. I did for the '93.
I am really looking into ulocking tuners, that's gonna be the future. Even breaking the lock on the AFR's.
'97 is your best bike
If you don't know how to weld. Head to the community college and learn. EPA would go nuts with me. When they banned leaded gas, I wasn't destroying my bike. I probably dump way more lead adding my own than the gas ever did.
The EPA is just another Unconstitutional Tyrannical three letter agency that needs to be abolished.
@@GixxerFoojust go standalone ...miceosquirt ftw
80 ci evo, with an Andrews cam, ported heads, carburetor tuned, with drag pipes.
Zero emissions!! Softail
Yes, still won’t out run a M8.
But I love it, and it’s fast enough for me!!
Great video as always!!
I'm sure it sounds better than any M8! 👌
It'll probably out last an M8. And it sounds like a Harley and not a Harlcati.
Swap meets will be my go to place for shopping... luckily we have some Mom and Pop shops in the Cleveland area.
I love those mom and pop bikes shops, I can go broke if I ain't careful or have to come back with the truck cause I can't carry what all I bought on the bike lol.
The opportunity for swap meet trading and bartering are about to grow in a big way. Traded items are not revenue items as I understand it. No taxation, no transactions to register just friends swapping parts out of the love of motorcycles. They can’t tax or quantify that now or ever.
I own and ride 3 old Harleys 1949, 1957, and 1968. My garage, house, and backyard shed is parts bin and a swap meet that nothing ever gets sold from 😂. You've got to trade for something that I need in order to get what I have.
Absolutely! That's gonna be a pile of gold you're sitting on even more than it already is!
@@GixxerFoo Roger that!
Well shit brother, put my username in some kind of death note so your family can contact me when your estate sale happens 😂
like you I have the old stuff, 1969, 1977, 2 1979, 1980, 1982, 1983. and lots of parts I roll around naked in when no one's looking, hahaha always looking for something older but the prices on the older stuff makes me shy away, AMF bikes are good if built right.
If you can afford it buy now and hang onto it till you need it. I bought a 131 crate engine and 131 conversion kit, just for when the engine gets tired. Cost effective? Probably not. Do I sleep worriless at night? Yes
Honestly that's a really smart idea looking at the way things are going!
For the exhaust we will have to do it like we used to back in the day make your own.
There is nothing wrong with that and I've seen some homemade exhaust lay it down on the dyno getting tuned!
i always told my friends that this day would come. as long as someone is tech savvy....unlocking and tuning a ECU on a motorcycle is going to be a breeze... all the programming could be done at home... we are going BACKWARDS in time... more DIY than ever is coming and i actually enjoy it... not enjoying the EPA part of things but you get my point.
I sure hope we see the DIY come back to our garages, we got so dependent on shops and dealers to do to the work.
@GixxerFoo well, I mean it's cool that we can have shops do it for us... but I miss the creativity that came from the " old heads" ... I'm almost 32 and I remember, as a kid, bike shows had the same bike... but done is so many ways... now? It's like going to an outdoor dealership... they all look the same. ( unless VERY custom )
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Well I mean the EPA regulations really just created an underground market for what they consider "race use" parts that are gonna go on street bikes.
I have a 883 and have no problem with vibration. I have had my Sportster for 25 years and 400,000 miles on the original engine and 37 back tires and 17 front ones and 3 belts in 25 years. Very reliable and dependable transportation as l don't have a car 🚗. I just had the carburetor on my Sportster cleaned for the first time in 25 years. Oil temp is 200* 2 up in Florida in the summer ⛱️🌞. No engine heat issues at all. No experience with EFI rubber mounted frames. My Sportster has outlasted all of my Honda's put together.
Sportster motors just defy the odds, they are about as simple and close to perfect engineering as you can get!
I got my first HD 2yrs ago. I'll never go back to jap bikes.
To HELL with the epa
I am not giving my bike away or trade them in, for years I have been buying parts for each one of the mostly old new stock, I have 3 anniversary Harley’s and a 2015 heritage and a 2018 road glide ultra, I got tuners for all of them, exhaust and other high performance stuff, like I said before EPA should give motorcycles an exemption but they won’t, as it is some stuff for my 2015 Harley’s is already saying obsolete, so I get the parts were I can, and I will keep buying and stashing them away, I knew this would happen sooner or later, I even have a few brand new extra tuners brand new that are not made anymore stashed away also, keep it going your videos are great and informative!
We put the power vision tune on my 88 along with the bolt in SE cam. Very happy with the results. No deaccellorating popping or back firing period.
Dude you’re absolutely the best solid badass source for performance information
Thank you, I appreciate that! I try to keep up with the goings on in the market and talk to other shops and part time guys like myself. Exchange of information make the community stronger!
Glad that I have kept an older set of moderately used Screamin' Eagle and Bassani 2-int-1 exhaust pipes for my 2005 Stage IV Fatboy. I was going to sell them, but with this news, I think I'll keep them around for a while.
I wouldn't sell them! I've got some parts myself I thought I'll never use these well now I just might!
Good! Let them be mad. They've got a lot of people all sorts of pissed off.
They despise us and everything we love.
@GixxerFoo oh well, not like we can't gut the exhaust and find other means. We always have, and always will.
Will you ever show us your bike? I watch all of your videos!! I would like to see what you ride and what you have done to it 👍
I'll have to work that in a video, I had am down to one now after moving a few times but I will have to show it.
Awesome looking forward to it! I've done so many things to my 2007 110 dyna that you recommend. Keeping it running cooler and more reliable
You'd think parting out old bikes would be more "ecologically friendly" than dumping the entire thing into a dumpster to be recycled, but then, this is america.
It also makes perfect sense to hop bikes up to the maximum to run them on a Dyno just for bragging rights, and park most of them in a garage, but then, this is still america.
Good video, as usual.👍
It's really crazy when you come across a garage find that had maybe 7 or 8K worth of motor work done 20 years ago and the engine doesn't even have 5K miles on it.
Thy always go after the smallest portion of an issue. As far as pollution goes street bikes are minimally contributing to the issue. Private jets, industry and every other country on earth pollute a lot more than a 2 cylinder engine. Besides if they stop clear cutting and stripping the topsoil them poisoning the ground to extract the gold we could fix it. Trees take in co2 and exhale oxygen. Go figure so cutting down the biggest source of oxygen on this side of the world might be bad trees sequester carbon. Removing it from the atmosphere. So don’t believe the lies 80% of the problem can be solved by regrowing the Amazon. It affects the oceans flows and weather patterns as well. It certainly would be much easier and effective the trading one pollutant for another. Ev batteries very bad for environment
@@GixxerFoo
It's the same with all of those "choppers."
A coupla years ago, I bought a high dollar Paul Yaffe chopper for 1200 bucks from a local Harley shop that couldn't sell it.
It was such junk that I used it for a door stop in my shop for a couple of years until a friend of mine bought it.
I had never tried to transfer the title, but when my buddy did, the otiginal title kept coming back as some kind of travel trailer, and it ended up costing him an extra 800 bucks to straighten out the paperwork.
From a Harley shop.
I offered to give give him his money back, but he kept the bike.
Some people just have expensive egos to stroke, but when I'm out on my humble little box stock '72 ElectraGlide or '97 WideGlide with only a custom paint job, the high dollar guys always come over and eyeball them.
I have an 01 Night Train with a Mikuni carb and V+H pipes from the time period and no problems. I like that simple style of motorcycle that is maintainable in my garage, it has never been back to a dealer after it was bought. The computer loops of sensors and fuel injectors take more of a beating on a motorcycle from exposure, chips become obsolete. Put a S&S Super B carb and 12" straight pipes on that new bagger while you still can, look like a strobe light going down the road!
Reading that description of your bike took me back to the good old days, back then we only thought things were going to the pot.
I’m in the same boat as you. I have an 08 sportster. Electrical parts are not available and the ones are are super rare. They aren’t making them anymore and everything on back order the timeline gets pushed forward. I fried my tuner so when I replaced the ECM had to get a new one turns out since I had put it on all the tuners were illegal. Got a Screaming Eagle tune from Harley and it has no power. Can’t power wheelie, clutch ups are difficult.
I’m fortunate enough to have recently received my DynoJet Power Vision pv4 from Fuel Moto about a week ago, due to your advice Foo, so hopefully I’ll be able to get my ‘06 FXDWGI richened up a bit before the EPA hunts me down for putting excess plant food into the atmosphere.
I had an exhaust system from 1998 on my 2009 96” Twin Cam.
Hi Foo , sound saves lives, I know this is a slightly different scenario, but two weeks ago I was down in my local town, I looked both ways to see if there’s anything coming in traffic, I went to step on to the road I nearly got hit by electric car, Luckily, I had my wits about me,
I think they are going about this in the wrong direction , As there is more things out in the road in atmosphere, that produces more pollution than what a motorcycle does, that should be their first priority, not the minority motorbikes, we will not be allowed to fart soon. We will need a pipe up by us to collect it. Perhaps we should save it and send it TO THE EPA , we are being persecuted because we ride motorbikes, And obviously we’d love our freedom, and we are being manipulated and being controlled by government authorities that are taking over the world and we all know where that’s going,
They argue against us that loud pipes save lives, but like you just mention with the electric car they are trying to mandate that those electric cars need to make noise since they are so quiet!! That's our government for you! I hope you're doing alright and glad you had your wits about you!
You hit the nail on the head about the electric cars being as silent as the grim reaper.
I'm currently in Tenerife and it's the first time I have seen a section of road used by sightseers that has a section of sonic paving. Car tyres hit the section and sound like race cars.
As for the restriction on new vehicles being the manufacturer at fault. Couldn't be further from the truth. It's called type approval. It's laws we have no opportunity to vote on.
And the testing itself is flawed at best.
Freedom is no longer a right.
Maybe the manufacturers will come up with a removable cat system, like the db reducers, that you can remove after point of sale but covers them for the sale? just a thought
That's a really slick idea! Remvovebit for the track and put it back before you ride home after "racing". I love the idea but you know what we would all do.
JUST NEED TO GET NEW LEADERS
I hope this is all gone by sun down on after we swear in the winner.
I’m all for that idea
There’s nothing stopping anyone from putting carbs on bikes
There's gonna be a spike in single fire ignitions and carburetor purchases. I've actually seen a Milwaukee 8 converted to a carb already. Guy bought an Ebay motor and put it in a custom frame, hell of a lot cheaper than trying to run FI and mess with tuning.
as long as I have my TIG welder and can buy stainless pipe, I'll always have catless exhaust
I live in Canada, and take my 05 electra glide to an independent shop who fortunately has good used part for my bike.
The struggle is real finding parts for anything 10 years or older anymore! It's getting ridiculous out there!
I am looking forward to owning a Harley Lawn mower,,,,that's what HRD Vincent made in the end for them,,!
Leave it to the Government to turn law abiding tax paying citizens into outlaws.
They literally made us all outlaw bikers and created a parallel market.
I thought a judge ruled that the EPA couldnt make their own laws.
soon! chevron should end, courts out June if I'm not mistaken.
Thank you for the updates 🙏🏽🙏🏽
Anytime! There's more coming as things develop! Right now we're all trying to figure out how this is going to go in the long run!
Glad my 2008 FLHRCI is already set up well
Same with my M8 FLTRX
For used parts .. swap meets !
Learn to weld, make your own, sell your labor to others that don't have the skill. This is just going to bring us all back to skilled labor and away from the big names.
Appreciate the info, thanks.
No problem! Thank you for taking the time to support the channel!
2010 Softail Deluxe was a 96ci, now a 103ci. Very well massaged top end terminating in D&D Fat Cat 2 into 1. Came complete with one of them tuner dohickeys. 96hp, 108 tq.
Guess I'll be keeping this one forever as a hotrod.
Of course there's plenty of older touring bikes out there to add to the stable.
I am really concerned how much longer manufacturers are going to be able to produce no compliant parts for "race use". The big companies are already tucking tail to the EPA.
@GixxerFoo yeah,not sure what I'll do. One if mt best bugs is a HD Mastertech. He built the engine and tuned it. Maybe I'll get lucky and find a nicely modified older touring bike to start with. Maybe it even comes with its own tuner. Like my Softail.
My Softail is a conservative build/tune. Still gets 40 mpg+. It's just quicker. Personally as long as the touring bike has enough ass to do 70
Mph, 2 up with luggage and merges ok, navigates on and off ramps etc, I'm fine with a conservative build/tune.
I'm just not a fan of a few morons dictating how people can live their lives.
Glad I got 97 and 87 and a bin full of old carbs, and parts. Guess all went up in value now and got a friend with a lathe and 3d printer
Lathes and 3d printers are already priceless tools to have the way things are going!
Guess I'll go ahead and keep my 09, and put money into it vs buying new new
Yeah Gixx, kinda figured that would happen, the law of unintended consequences. Congrats on 65K subs!
Thank you! I appreciate it! They've really created a parallel market which is absolutely gonna make them lose it!
All done with buying parts, unless it breaks, because every year I can still ride is a gift.
Harley Davidson hasn't utilized their "sound chamber" since they designed the Twin Cam in the late 90's! 😉
That's interesting to hear, they put a lot into making the M8 quieter and designing an exhaust sound around the engine sound.
Just saying, the Twin Cam was the last big twin that still sounds like a "Harley". HD tried to patent their "sound" in 1994. They completely walked away from it with the introduction of the Milwaukee 8 and the Revolution "Sportster"! 🙉
The stock 117 on my FXLRS has more than enough power to do anything you would want. The stock exhaust is not the best, but I wouldn't want it more than 20% louder. If I want some performance, I'll buy a bike that actually performs, like a sport naked, with much better power, lean angle and performance parts for a fraction of what it would cost to build a Harley. What really bugs me about this whole thing is the amount of government overreach.
Glad i sold my '85 FXWG 17 years ago. I had my fun and no regrets and bullshit to deal with now.
It's sad state of affairs in the motorcycle market these days.
You ARE The Wizard ~
I ain't got that kinda magic but I try and make it happen!
sounds like investing in a wielder and starting a custom exhaust shop wouldnt be a bad idea
I see a lot of motorcycle recycling yards to pick up on used exhaust/ carburetors an a few cam assembly, even some shops picking up business to modify recycled exhaust, there is plenty of cheap meteric pre-bent down tubes to chose from.
I am concerned they are going to come after the cams next, high over lap cams aren't exactly emissions legal but they make big power! That's why screamin eagle stuff is unimpressive is the cams have no overlap to be street legal.
@@GixxerFoo I sure there are a few machine shops, that can handle the heat treatment of rolled stock, to make copies, an who ever said the cat, can't be a separate piece.
I think the epa is only in 1 country, over sea's market just might expand enough to help.
Here in France, in à few days, motorcycles Will have to be controlled every three years (every two years for cars). This year, the sound made by the bike will not be precisely measured, just "evaluated" by ear... Emissions will be measured though along with other criteria (tires, lights, licence plate, brakes...) It's been a long fight between bikers and the government but apparently we lost the battle...
Looks like we’re going back to the chopper days. Going to have to hunt for the parts you want, or have them custom made
It's crazy that the EPA is going after 3% of all vehicles on the road.
That's what's got me scratching my head!
Best thing to do is to VOTE CONSERVATIVE this November, vote PRESIDENT TRUMP!!! He is going to gut the EPA of all these green battery thugs!!
I hope the good guys win and this stuff is squashed by sundown down on day 1.
Easy enough to make your own exhaust.
We are gonna get there with list of manufactures dropping support and going EPA compliant only.
Just sit near looking in my s and s carburetor and giggling
You know how much someone from the government wishes they could kick in your garage and take it right now. There's some seriously whacko people enforcing this crap they are hard after it to the point they stay up for days on end thinking about it.
@@GixxerFoo It's why I live in Tennessee instead of California. way back in 1991, I bought an El Camino that had an 454 factory and a 4 speed factory. I wasn't allowed to register in california.
Keeping my 2002 Road King FOREVER!!!
That still has the Timken lower end and the non pressed crank! Don't let that bike go!
just an idea that was used on the old cars in the USA a Y shaped adapter one to a standard silencer the other to stripped out exhaust
That's not a bad idea at all!
@@GixxerFooyou can copy right the idea if you like lol
And that’s why I don’t see a new bike in my future. I’m quite happy with my ‘03 FatBoy and my ‘15 UL!
I’ve got two bikes, a 99 FXD SUPERGLIDE and a 2016 Ultra Limited. The FXD came with Screaming Eagle exhaust and sounds okay for now. But the Ultras’ exhaust is stock (and it’s in California), so I guess I’d better go to my mechanics shop and see about an exhaust while I can, and also check out swap meets. 9:24
Well time to get back to bending my own stainless to make exhaust pipes. Then add slip ons.
That's gonna be the way to do it, that's all the big manufacturers do and put cats in there.
Feeling kind of lame but took me a minute to get used to the cam. Never had anything but exhaust and air breather on any of the shovels I had. After a bolt in cam and proper tune this 96 runs exceptional ,at least suits me
The EPA’s concern with motorcycles should be the least of concerns if there genuinely is one. This really boils down to a bunch of whiny people that just have a dislike in motorcycles from the jump.
Motorcycles are not a loved segment of the world by the masses, most people that hate bikes are just jealous if you ask me.
Bravo! That’s the way to look at it!
I have been stock piling parts via eBay, some HD Dealerships online. I bought TC88s mostly so I stock up on wear items
Such a very intelligent and well thought out comment, comrade. Orangeman, is that you?
I guess i'm screwed. Been saving up for cams, exhaust and filter for my 96", but what is the point now. If i can't get the best performance why do it. I'll just stick with stock motor with my loud as fuck short shots.
I may one day have to apply my high school machine shop knowledge...
That's something that needs to be in every single high school! I am grateful I had it now!
I've got a great parts store here. If Curtis doesn't have it, it doesn't exist. I've been shopping at his store for over 30 years. He even has some of the impossible to find parts in used and new old stock. I got a quick detach back rest for my 2914 Street Glide Special from him for $120.00, including the wide back pad.
hope like hell my thundermax tuner i bought back in 2013 for my 2012 flhp doesnt take a crap
Anyone that's good in ECM and electronics repair just found themselves a new enterprise!
I’m going to keep riding carbureted bikes 🤷♂️
Keeping my old 2000 TC88 with a carb :)
Hey bro , I finished the Duece I told you about that I bought with 50k on the clock . I only paid 48 hundred for it and It was a one owner. Bike is a cream puff. Anyway I put fueling cam chest and hypo oil pump, lifters and I threw in that screamin Eagle 203 bolt in cam , it was cheap but really made a considerable difference especially with my heads getting ported and polished like a mirror. Point being, I have about 72hundred in a very dependable Harley Davidson. 😊
My mind is totally blown right now with what you got total into that bike, that is the kind of deal I am always looking for!
Behold the future of customization “it’s better than nothing”
Seriously that's kina where we are headed where we are shopping for what Screamin Eagle has done for years trying to find the best price on it.
Very easy to drill out or cut out the cat on the M8 touring bikes.
What is the date the tuner manufacturers are required to lock the fuel mixture ability? Also I just decated my header using a hammer drill, and a boring bit with an extension. I also put on 41/2” slip ons that were too loud so I wrapped the baffles, and now it sounds just the way I like it. I would like to get it tuned. I was thinking about getting a Power vision.
swap meets are awesome and, I also could always get a case of beer for my dad to have him help me weld up a custom exhaust for the bike and just have to buy flanges and metal pipe instead of hunting down an existing set of pipes
That's the way to do it right there with the rising cost and catalyzed exhaust systems.
Glad my 2000 Super Glide Sport and my '97 Buell Cyclone are all done!
I'd love to have both of those bikes!
Your right Gixx, when backed into a corner most of us will find a way to make it work, I buy used parts from places like craigslist, kijiji, swap meets and word of mouth. And as far as exhaust, when in doubt...cut it out, the old grey beards have the mechanical knowledge, we just need the younger guys to be able to write computer program or know someone who can do that and your back making beautiful loud music and having a tire shredding good time. and for the record a cat may or may not have fallen out of one of my bikes 🤔🤫Cheers from the Great White North.
We are gonna needs guys who can crack the tuners. Unmarry vins and make the locked AFR tables unlocked, it can be done it's just no one really wants to publicly stick their neck out there.
@@GixxerFoo that is one good thing that the internet is for.. lots of underground programers willing to do sketchy shit
I swear you're talking about my local second hand Harley shop. It's in an old farm and the dude has a legit museum of motorcycle history upstairs with stuff dating back to the early 1900s on display.
Those places are gonna be our new safe havens for getting what we need. The government wants this cut at the manufacturing level. So sure the older stuff is grandfathered in but you can't get any new parts for it.
We as bikers are nothing if not, innovative. When we started making speed parts, we made them ourselves. We went to a Machinest and they had a cam ground. Have you looked at Tuner cars? The advances made in performance in those goofy little cars is amazing. And who did The computer modifications? Some Mexican kids in California figured that stuff out. The EPA are the ones that Mac to send you the corner with fuel injection in the first place. We will adapt and overcome lol.
That's the attitude and the spirit we all need to adopt. Tuners will get unlocked, software will be modified, garages and back yard machine shops will open for business and we'll remain ungovernable. We just won't be able to order it online and have it delivered in some flashy box anymore. I will miss the stickers though lol.
If they go after sound i say we all move to Mexico. Can ride all year around too lol
I have an 04 carbureted Heritage and I'm already not going to my local dealership because it seems like they don't stock specific parts for my bike and it would take them two to three weeks to get them, where as on the internet it take a couple days on average.
Same thing happened the with new gen Yamaha R1’s. They “locked” you out of the ecu so you couldn’t tune them. Eventually the tuners figured out how to bypass it. I’m sure the same thing will happen with HD.
Metric bikes most always were tuned with inline tuners like the Power Commander, but you didn't need much more than that if just did a slip on, full system and an air filter. My GSX-R1000 we flashed with the old brick of a Yoshimura box with the dials and swtiches, lol it was 2003.
Your videos are always great and full of information, but what is really impressive to me is your collection of harley t shirts. I actually had to look up one your wearing and being from Ukraine had to buy one.
I am glad you caught exactly what that shirt was in support of! I support Ukraine and the sacrifices everyone is making for one man's greed. I am also a firefighter and l saw what those guys were doing to rescue people and put out fires in the middle of a war.
I have a lot of good deals and hard to find parts at swap meets . But you should not limit yourself , I found a very good exhaust for my evo at a second hand store . 9:33
You can find some killer deals at those little stores, the older Screamin Eagle slip ons were awesome and truly hard to beat back in the day!
I’ve been kicking around looking for a 100th Anniversary Harley as original as possible but I’d love to swap out the exhaust. eBay still sells old school drag pipes. Those will probably fit some of the newer bikes.
I am gonna dig into some of the manufacturers I've seen on ebay and they've been advertising on facebook too like Shark Road.
new drinking game, every time you hear the word "basically" from this guy.....
Yeah... I realized today I say that way too much lol
I love my Rush exhaust! Don’t know why more people don’t run them. Made my bike run cooler and sounds great too
Swap meets, ebay, or even fab together an exhaust.
Feels like it's getting hard to find swap meets anymore, used to have one at least once month in my area!
they cant make you add emissions that didn't come on the bike. It has to meet emissions standards at the time it was manufactured.
For whats it worth, I took a Kerker 2 into 1 Off of a 103 and it fit right onto my 80" Evo. I did have to make a bracket for the tai end.
I sure miss Kerker exhaust!
I can definitely see computer geeks starting a "send me your tuner and I'll unlock it for you" business.
Remember they tubing to the public and they also sell tubing benders, we can build exhaust all day long and send it to a chromer.
I don't even know where a chrome shop is anymore, buddy of mine used to run one back in the day and they regulated him into oblivion. Powder coating black is about the way to go anymore.
NY basically shut the whole conversation down by saying, "no modification to the exhaust system will pass inspection". it causes people to FIND all those original pipes that were just thrown in the trash. there was word that they would not send out your new registration unless it had been inspected the previous year. that doesn't appear to be true since i did get a renewal on my '71 which wouldn't pass because of straight pipes. the inspection process is all computerized with the state data system and they put the onus on the guy who does the inspection who has to log in to the system. nobody will risk a $5k-$10k fine for a $10 inspection. some riders are finding ways to register there bikes in other states.
Long live the carburetor
I got a feeling we're gonna be dusting those off and converting some EFI bikes over if we have to run lean tunes that melt the motor!
@@GixxerFoo 👍👍
I have a connection still that can set the “illegal” screaming Eagle tuners back to factory. $175.00, send it out and have it back in 2 1/2 weeks. One of the best tuners still
That's what I am talking about! This is the kind of ungovernability we are all gonna need!