My biggest problem with him is Iron Man. In the comics, Peter straight up went off on Tony one time. He’s not the type of guy to idolize any of his fellow heroes. Not to mention Tom severely lacks the temper comic Peter had.
@@kendi5391that’s because Peter is usually older in the more recent adaptations, and therefore more mature. In his teenage years he definitely had a bit of a temper, especially when things don’t go the way he thought they would
He didn’t. He spent half of homecoming avoiding Tony the whole time while Spider-Man pursues Vulture’s criminal empire. Or did you miss all of that?? Show me where he relied on Tony stark.
If you need six movies and few retcons to establish a iconic superhero such as Spider-Man, as the character you see in the poster when going to a theater, that means you automatically failed the character and yourself as a writer.
That or they wanted a cash grab because they knew they were bad and would rather trick most people to think it’s somehow a masterpiece to waste everyone’s time until someone who actually cares to come along
Tom never felt like spiderman to me. He feels like a filler character even in his own movies, had no consequences for his actions (it's only until no way home that consequences actually happen) which is absolutely ridiculous considering Tom has had 6 FUCKING MOVIES! Phenomenal actor, terrible spiderman. That's my opinion on his character.
Exactly how I feel. From what I've heard to have him in the MCU he's always got to have a big MCU character there which I think is why Tony, Fury, and Strange appear in his trilogy, but it just limits him now.
This is just a bad take in its entirety. Three of those films he was a side character, since the conflict was bigger then himself and other character rightfully had more focus on them. Peter also does have consequnces to his actions big or small in each film. Losing the suit, not being able to dance with Liz, Liz moving away, his identity being revealed, and his sacrifice at the end of NWH, he suffers and struggles in each of his films, stopping ignoring that.
@@Arrowzeditz it's not abt the consequences it's how they're treated. Liz moving away had no impact in the next movie,. The suit being removed had barely any point because he just did what he had to do anyways
The worst legacy of this version of the character is that it completely pigeon-holded Tom Holland and made him forever type cast into the same roles over and over again with a small exception here and there.
I feel peter should have been spiderman longer than 6 mounths, by the time he gets the stark suit, I thinl he shoudve been spiderman for 2 years by that point, have him face off against some of his roughs gallery, have uncle ben be a bigger part of mcu peter, that would have been real nice imo.
@@_Darkus_I thought it was because Andrew Garfield didn’t show up for the reveal of The Amazing Spider-Man 3 at a convention, so they didn’t show it and eventually cancelled production.
@@GS_Official120 yeah, it's just you lol It's not like they wanted to give Tom the role because they felt like he deserves it, or wants to try a different take on Spider-Man despite the flaws or anything lol
I agree. Spider-man is a Multigenerational Super Hero. The new generation got introduced and preferred the type of Spider-man they got. That means him saving people, Being a Lone hero and many other things that aren't part of the MCU spidey aren't part of the Spider-man they like, so they don't look for that in the future movies they watch. Is like a Kid Growing up watching the DAREDEVIL MOVIE, and then Watching the show and thinking is Dumb for Matt to NOT kill.
I grew up on Ben afflecks daredevil and loved it at the time (still do tbh, the soundtrack still slaps) but I think we can all agree that the Netflix daredevil is the superior adaptation over the affleck daredevil. I just hope they don’t screw it up in born again
Awesome job with this video man. The MCU Spiderman is cool but yeah there are things that really bothered me. I wish they mentioned Uncle Ben and I wish Peter didn’t rely on Dr. Strange to erase everyone’s memory. It would have been cool to seen how Peter would deal with the whole world knowing who he is. Plus I wish he stuck with the Civil War suit.
Honestly, I've never had a problem with MCU Spider-Man, but considering that they are problems with his character, here's how I would rewrite him (I'll be focusing on Homecoming): First up, have him still look up to Iron Man. However, instead of being a blind follower to him, he would rather just look up to Tony as a role model and admires him because he acknowledges Tony might be a flawed person, but it still trying to do the right thing. Also, have Peter reveal that he was the same kid that Tony saved back in Iron Man 2. Also, have Peter acknowledge Uncle Ben and Aunt May actually being a loving and caring Aunt who gives out good advice to her nephew. Also, I would have Tom's Uncle Ben be revealed that he died from cancer and Peter doesn't really get the full idea of "With Great Power, comes Great Responsibility" motto at first and the whole reason why he became Spider-Man is because, after seeing Iron Man and the rest of the Avengers in action, he becomes a superhero because he thinks it's fun and cool. However, throughout the trilogy, he will slowly understand what is means "With Great Power, comes Great Responsibility." Much of the Homecoming plot would still go the same, with a few changes. For one, Iron Man wouldn't have such a huge role in the movie. In the scene where Peter falls into the river, he actually gets himself out and Iron Man arrives just afterward. Iron Man still helps him save the ferry, however. It's clear that Peter is starting to become annoyed by Tony's presence while Tony believes Peter needs him, since Tony wants to desperately wants to be his mentor because he sees a lot of himself in Peter. He wants to be the father figure to Peter that Howard never was to him. Now, afterwards, when Peter has his suit taken away by Tony, Peter still continues to be Spider-Man with his homemade suit, although he's more mad at the fact he got his suit taken away by Iron Man and is being babied by him. Also, it's revealed that Peter wants to become a Avenger, so he can be famous. For Vulture, just make him less of a Iron Man villain and more of a Spider-Man Villain. It's revealed that Vulture is stealing tech from Stark Industries so he can sell it to the black market for money so he and his daughter, who wouldn't be Liz, can survive. Eventually, Peter finds out about this and realizes that he is fighting someone who just wants to survive. Soon, just like the climax, Peter beats Vulture, but, instead of deciding to turn him in for the authorities, he decides to convince Tony in helping Adrian get a job at Stark Industries so he and his daughter can live a happy life. Peter's character arc in Homecoming would be about him realizing that he should first focus on the needs of the people before himself (Given how he realizes that it's too quick to become a Avenger yet and New York needs him more). Those are some ideas to how I would rewrite his character. I'm coming up with more ideas right now. Let me know what you think of them so far.
Not really about the video, but do you think Peter will go back to a tech suit (advanced suit 3.0 or something idk) or will he keep using anti venom and just have the symbiote change into the red/blue colors.
Bro obviously didn’t watch the movie, he couldn’t use the fabricator because Happy doesn’t know who he is so he can’t just use stark Tech anymore. It was a scene that proves he is on his own everyone forgot about him they literally show it on the damn movie, also the “magic suit” is literally the far from home suit..inside out. Watch the movie fully before yapping a whole lot about nothing😭
@@miguelgomez2663 they forget Peter, they don’t forget Spiderman So Spiderman very much go to the remaining avengers as if nothing happened to create new suits 🤷♂️
I always felt something was missing while watching his movies and now I know what...I agree with pretty much everything said in this video, this is pretty much how I felt while watching his films.
I think every live action Spider-Man have their pros and cons, and also, Sony did Spider-Man way dirtier than the MCU. Like how they wanted to make a multiverse movie of Spider man which was by Sony not by the MCU. My favourite version of Spider-Man will always be the insomniac version.
Also he didnt want to quit being spiderman he just want to be normal and not deal with hero problems so no he doesn't want to quit being spiderman in every movie
Okay and that’s still terrible writing for Spiderman 🤷♂️ The common idea of Spidey is that he will always be Spiderman even when the cons outweigh the benefits. Of course every Spidey has moments where they want to be normal, but that’s what makes him endearing as a character, that he never gives up
@TheGamingRift11 yeah ur right but he is younger than Andrew and tobeys spiderman so he's definitely going want to be more normal but yeah him wanting to be normal is over used in Tom's movies I do agree with that point
Actually Tobey’s Spider-Man only quits when his power’s stopped working and the doctor told him to rest. Meaning that he STILL would’ve been Spider-Man regardless
@@Yourfat247this argument is wrong for the simple reason Peter goes into a burning building with 0 powers Peter quitting is caused by a multitude of factors is powers are apart but it’s everything together on top
@@ATalesTruth- now this is wrong, Peter’s powers are KNULL, he still has them. They just aren’t working. He goes into the building because it’s his nature, whilst de powered he watches the police in a car chase and willingly walks away from a guy getting mugged
@@ATalesTruth- meaning that Peter quitting is because of his MENTAL HEALTH, the movie focuses on that via his dream. His powers are an excuse. If they had no weight then raimi would’ve had Peter kept them
Tbh a lot of this video is just nitpicks, misunderstandings and general lack of knowledge of the nuances of Toms' portrayal of the character, a and examples if not such as the NWH suit count, Tom not wanting to be Spider Man in FFH. He never wanted to stop being Spidey. He just wanted a break. Peter giving Beck the glasses in the bar scene, claiming it's "out of character" for Tom. Im not saying you can't have valid criticism of the trilogy. You can, but very few of your critiques are actually good ones, and you just misinterpret what the story is trying to communicate. This is just a bad critique.
@@HitPieceGaming02but that’s wrong for the simple fact if Peter was making every excuse in the book to not be Spider-Man to help stop a world ending threat Where he is the only help they have Where if he doesn’t help and the world is destroyed and people die It be on him And he never once even considers that Compare this to Insom Spider-Man in the miles game He went on a vacation outside of NYC Yet the moment something went wrong He was immediately ready to abandon his vacation in the event no one can handle it(miles he trained for a year that he trusts said he handle it which is why him not coming is ok) And let’s be clear imagine if Peter said he wouldn’t stop sandman or the alien invasion in Spider-Man 2 if there was no miles Or he thought the avengers or another hero will handle it Despite being the only hero available Do you see how irresponsible that would be Yet people argue what mcu peter is doing is 100% ok
@@HitPieceGaming02 but the issue is peter if he wants his vacation can’t have it if the world is destroyed You can focus under the assumption the world will end the next day if no one does anything about it It makes no sense why Peter doesn’t help even if he was 100% selfish or even evil Heck the best example I can make is Dr doom helping other heroes to save the world if only so he can rule it Saving the world should be your go to if you want to do anything in said world Peter has no established ptsd(not even like Tony’s from avengers 1) plus being Spider-Man for months after endgame doesn’t make it seem like he needs it since he didn’t the one immediately after the fact And given people make jokes about the blip and act as if the 5 year time skip didn’t happen in far from home There is no indication Peter is dealing with any type of depression either Since if you know anyone who is depressed That wouldn’t be happy even under a good vacation they still be thinking about the events that tramtized them Which again peter shows no signs of He acts happy and Jolly It’s hard to believe that plays any factor into peter wanting a break at all And again even if he wants a break he can’t do it under the context if the world is destroyed I can’t have my break at all It’s not even about being Spider-Man for the right reasons at that point since even bad people would agree to help for their own reasons if only to live Again Peter is not mature or intelligent in the mcu for the reasons I just described Even if you want to make the argument that’s what the writers wanted They poorly written it Because if Peter was depressed or tramatized he wouldn’t be acting the way he is And if he was smart to any degree he would help even if he didn’t want to for the simple fact (he isn’t doing this to save the world he is doing it to have his vacation) And the major fact is if fury didn’t hijack his trip and force peter to help Peter wouldn’t have Which again proves my point why it’s badly written, selfish of Peter and makes him an idiot(he has to be an idiot in the film for the plot to even happen)
@ATalesTruth- Trying to compare different versions of Spidey with different criteria and critising this Spidey for not following that exact criteria is just entirely stupid. This is why this video is bad, Rift just glazes over the smaller important details, like the ones I mentioned before Peter doesn't want to be a part of Nick Furys op in FFH because he wants a break, but also, it's literally his development from the first film showing, mixing with the weight of expectations. Peters' self-confidence in being Spider Man is essentially in shambles after being hit by the train. As a teenager, it's relatable. Not wanting to have to experience that weight and intense feeling like youre drowning, stop trying to act like every Peter is a paragon of responsibility, he didnt have the Uncle Ben moment at this point in time, so expecting him to act just like the others. His story was taken a different way, so stop criticizing it for being different.
@@Arrowzeditz so not following great power comes great responsibility is not a criteria And it’s stupid for me to say these versions that uphold it actually are better despite the difference in context And let’s say ok Peter in the mcu doesn’t understand great power comes great responsibility That still doesn’t make it better And I’ll tell you why You see you thinking this video is bad or that you have a point is is very jarring Because mcu Spider-Man even in context of his own universe is a selfish spoiled brat, who is an idiot via every decision he makes and irresponsible to a degree not even a normal person would go to Peter not helping top a world ending threat is stupid for the simple reason if he wants his vacation at all he has to save the world to even have it If he doesn’t help at all he risks the world being destroyed not having his vacation and everything and everyone he loves or cares about will be destroyed Again even bad people would help if only for selfish reasons Meaning not willing to help at all is idiotic or suicidal Especially when you are the only one available to help In the end Peter should know it’s not a matter of how he feels if he can live to enjoy his vacation Plus if someone does die because he wasn’t willing to even help it be in him And you assume if he feels guilty about anything he help so nothing bad happens so it won’t be in his conscience The problem with mcu peter is even if he never learned great power comes great responsibility and was completely selfish He is still an idiot, and why should you care about someone who doesn’t learn what it means to be good until they in danger everyone else by causing an event that blows up in his face where he now has to do the right thing Peter is no perfect in any of the adaptations I listed But unlike Mcu There are smart about it, they understand basic cause and effect and still do the right thing even if it’s for selfish reasons not because they were forced to or because they always made a mess so big it blew up in their face in almost every arc
I completely agree with what you said, tom was an amazing actor, but the writing for peter was all over the place, I personally enjoyed the movies but it coudve been way better, like for example just imagine mstereo threatons to reveal his identity and after peter stops him as a consequence his identity is revealed, and now his family is endager, and have peter get progressivly more desperate to the point he goes to doctor strange etc, now this isnt perfect, but I personally think this would have been a lil better.
I suppose these are solid points to tom Holland's spidey but Tom Holland is my favorite live action spider man so everyone is obligated to have their opinions about him
He can be your favorite But having a favorite doesn’t make it better when it objectively has problems For instance if I said DCEU Batman was my favorite Batman That doesn’t change the fact that Batman kills is a poorly written Batman that betrays the very morals and foundations Batman should I stand for So calling him my favorite is based on superficials or projections And doesn’t change he is a bad version of Batman
I honestly think that tom is kinda the middle ground of the ither 2 live action spidermen we had he wasn't bad at things he was amazing at them he was just good and i feel like the writers wanted to have a middle ground for him but went to close to the middle ground to make something amazing out of spiderman
He has the most comic accurate outfit, and is what Stan Lee imagined Spider-Man to be, in an interview he says Tom is how he imagined Spider-Man, Andrew is the worst cause of his attitude and the writing.
@@CK4412Productions yes. Tobey much more than Andrew admittedly However comparing Tobey to Tom is not an argument you wanna make regarding the comic accuracy route
This version of Peter actually grew into the role and became Spiderman we actually saw the progression just in a different way i disagree with your take for sure.
The problem with your argument is this Spider-Man is extremely dumbed down and has to learn something that otherwise shouldn’t have taken 6 films to set up Where as if civil war imples his origin already happened then effectively all the films with Spider-Man forward shouldn’t have happened or at least they way they happened
@@ATalesTruth- I would have agreed with you if this wasn't the 3rd live action Spiderman so no your argument doesn't work it's a different take the other spidermen did what you just implied basically twice and honestly they still aren't exactly peak spidermen imo the MCU made Spiderman fit in the MCU without making it feel the same as the other 2 is it different sure that doesn't mean it's bad and in the end he still ended up growing into the role the right way it fits.
@@NMbones98 again you missed the point Even if Tom didn’t have his origin yet it’s still a problem that this is effectively a dumbed down version of Spider-Man by that same principle Regardless of how you want him in the mcu Making it so he learns nothing or doesn’t learn what he should have even without being irresponsible but learning responsibility would have been the best choice Yet they make him irresponsible as if he can learn anything until hit bites him back in the A** In which Meaning we have been watching a spoiled brat who wants to be a hero for every reason but the right one Let me ask you would you watch Batman where his parents are still alive just be Batman in the new cininsmaic universe where it’s set up everything is light hearted And he is only Batman because he is a rich and wants to beat up people and be respected by people not because he understands the pain of losing loved ones and doesn’t want that to happen to anyone again That’s the problem here No one with any sense of decency is going to love that version of Batman Or excuse him for such behavior Especially when said behavior is probably what gets his parents killed 6 films later To only then make is so he act like the actual Batman But again has to mess up so bad with how he is acting his morals and how he treats everything Should it be excused simply because he didn’t understand something like that until it happened Do you see the problem here They don’t care until they mess up so bad in morals or are so dumb they end up causing the very thing they didn’t want to happen If you understand that you realize the problem Yet you like many others when looking at mcu Spider-Man who is an irresponsible dumbass because apparently he didn’t lose uncle Ben him being an irresponsible dumbass should be excused???? WHY he is acting like Ben never died and as if he can be stupid and irresponsible and be Spider-Man simply because he wants to for everything it could give him Not because of what he can give to others And in every solo film Peter is stupid and irresponsible and acts surprised when he doesn’t get his way or when something goes wrong it comes off as “f around and find out” As in they get what was coming to him Aunt may dying is his fault in more way then one So again why look up to mcu Spider-Man or call him good When for most of his films he was acting in a way that would cause the deaths of not only his loved ones other people’s lives or the entire universe Only to fix his own F up There is nothing about McU Spider-Man that can be endearing Its one thing if he acted like Spider-Man somewhat even without his origin But he was the antithesis of it So why should we see him as good When every versions of Spider-Man would slap him senseless for his actions behavior and mindset
@@ATalesTruth- and again you missed the point it's A DIFFERENT TAKE you don't got to like it yes that was the point he was a spoiled brat learning what it means to be Spiderman and he did he had to learn the hard way why is that a bad thing it's something that wasn't done before it's kool if you don't fuk with it but that doesn't mean it's bad because as I said before he still returned to the main root of being Spiderman we saw the growth get it???
I’m mean he can be your favorite But objectively speaking Is he better then Andrew; is he better then tobey If no then he is the worse And even comparing other versions of Spider-Man Be it spectacular Spiderman ultimate comics Spiderman, Peter b from spider verse, or insomniac Peter Is he better then all of them in writing I think it be a stretch if you said he was
My problem is how they made him TOO much like a teenager. Yeah Peter Parker is a teenager but constantly watching "M-Mr Stark" or "Sir" gets old really, REALLY FAST, and then the villains aren't even really his. Vulture? An arms dealer mad at rich people like Tony and even tries to reason with Peter. Mysterio? A crazy guy who felt wronged by Tony and wants to replace him as the next big superhero and even wants to avoid dealing with Peter. The Sinister 5? All villains from other Spider-Mans, Tom's Peter just got nothing there's no emotional stakes. Yeah there was emotion behind Norman when he killed May, but then its overshadowed by the other 4 villains they got to deal with.
@@bullylowenthal2683 Alright buddy calm down its fucking Spiderman no need to be pressed. I never said Vulture was an Iron Man villain so do some proof reading next time, I've never seen the other projects so I got no opinion on them but just assuming someone hates everything because of a different opinion from yours is childish as hell, and "Can't back up any points to why MCU Spiderman is bad." I literally did, he fanboys over Iron Man and stutters so much talking to him and stutters talking to Doctor Strange too. Also I never said there were no emotions in the movie, my comment literally had an example of one but I went over the issues with that too so once again, actually read the comment.
@@bullylowenthal2683 Fuck you mean backtracking its literally what I said in the original comment. Did you even read anything or just see someone had a different opinion than you and got all pissed.
@@bullylowenthal2683 Backtracking? Its literally what I said in the original comment, did you actually read it or did you just see an opinion different from yours and get all angry?
@@bullylowenthal2683 Your first comment included insults and assumptions so yes you're angry, and I'm not trying to prove you wrong, I'm stating my opinions. Which news flash for you apparently, people can have different ones. I. Don't. Like. The. MCU. Spider-man. Deal with it.
Well there are some things I disagree ultimately I will say the MCU Spider-Man has been fun but very rough. I hope whatever the next trilogy of Spider-Man films they do will actually keep what They set up in no way home.
Absolutely. Saying he had a shaky start is an understatement as 6 films is more than many characters have period. But regardless he has promise in NWH. I hope they don’t fuck it up
@@TheGamingRift11 That's also one thing I got to give you credit on cuz I totally forgot We also got an account the whole of MCU so technically speaking we've seen the Spider-Man six times and constantly getting reset every time we see him lol 🤣
@@MrDegenerate28 true it really is a shame although it isn’t necessarily his fault. The MCU was primarily focused around the Avengers and unfortunately legitimately great characters like Spider-Man, Black Panther and even Vision were sorta sidelined
Ok there is a reason why spiderman at the end of no way home because everything forgot peter even computers and since his suit has a computer it forgot who he was so peter has to make a new suit
If that is the case then I wish the film did a better job explaining it. Although did suits have AI? It’s only ever confirmed in Homecoming-Endgame and never mentioned again after that. I feel like the writers forgot he has the AI
@TheGamingRift11 yeah listen I completely agree with you after endgame and homecoming they completely forgot peter had ais but still I think Tom holland is a great spiderman actor
Okay, you provided good points, and I’m fine that you’re don’t find too much enjoyment in MCU Spidey, but for me personally, I still enjoy Tom’s version of Spidey; his writing just isn’t the best. I hope they can improve on that front. Good video.
@@user-silentnight1234 he does thou it you pay attention the thing controlling Otto’s arms is the rest of the iron spider Plus it’s stupid for him to not bring it
@@user-silentnight1234because it’s not damaged all Otto did was remove the nano tech And it was fully functional so the idea it can be put back into the rest of the iron spider is BS And if you had any credibility you admit that
He was the best spidey in civil war and homecoming. My opinion. He was my favorite at least. After that the movies got bad. No way home was much much better but felt rushed and the first half had its issues
I don’t care about watching the video, just wanted to say that making this video in a post-NWH era is sad. Tobey will always be the GOAT, and I really disliked HC and FFH, but after NWH, I came to appreciate Tom and now I love them all. You’re like 5 years too late for this video mate
@@TheGamingRift11 sorry if it came off as aggressive. I saw one of your shorts, chose to check out your channel and this was the first video that popped up. You can make whatever you want, obviously. I just think that No Way Home addressed so many issues we all had with Tom to the point where talking about past mistakes is just a moot point. I’m personally excited for the future and no longer care about HC and the dumpster fire that was FFH
Jesus Christ I didn’t take you for being a Raimi Meat rider. I’m convinced you never watched the movies. I’m betting you didn’t even read the Spider-Man comics either.
Sorry to disappoint but I’ve watched all of these films dozens of times. Also the comics are irrelevant when discussing an adaptation seperate to said comics. Also well done for not actually addressing any points and essentially coping 😅 Also how am I a Raimi fanboy when I also think TASM:Insomniac are also better than Tom? Again thank you for coping
@@TheGamingRift11 it does when you take into account that Raimi meat riders are the loudest voices when it comes to Spider-Man, yet are the least knowledgeable about the material considering a good 80% of you forgot that Harry wasn’t even Peter’s friend in high school, it was a whole ass Mandela effect the Raimi films had on you, along with the Symbiote affecting Peter’s emotions which wasn’t a thing until ultimate comics, Sam Raimi, and Spectacular Spider-Man made it a thing. On top of all of that, half of the known supporting cast like Liz Allan, Ned Leeds, Betty Brant who actually is supposed to be in high school with Peter, are nowhere to be seen. That’s just a few of the many talking points I can keep going??
@@TheGamingRift11 it does if you can’t retort or rebuttal said “pointless generalizations”, especially when those generalizations prove a huge point. You want me to be honest?? I sniffed out the Raimi Meat Rider bs with the thumbnail alone. Every Raimi Meat rider has one like it. So no I didn’t bother with your bullshit ass video with you most like glazing Tobey, because it’s all the same bullshit Raimi Meat rider bullshit we’ve all heard plenty of times before. You can almost sequence it in order. “ToNy StArK, ToO MuCh TecH, IrOn bOy Jr, He AlWaYs NeEds ToNy, No ConSequEnces.” It’s all the same broken record points from one dimensional so called “fans” of the character.
First off where was rami meat riding Second if that’s your only defense That means your a Tom meat rider Third comics gives the foundation In which tobey andrew insomniac spectacular ultimate, spider verse All those adaptation follow the comics better then Tom Spider-Man
It’s not hate It’s pointing out he isn’t good Or that he is in fact the worse version of Spider-Man if you did a simple comparison or actually look at the Spider-Man character
@TheGamingRift11 I guess the only good thing that the version has was his time in school like the comics and Spectacular Spider man. But I definitely agree with the video and I already prefer the Insomniacs version.
Not saying I disagree with everything in this video but I think Hi-Top film's dislike for mcu Spider-Man has done some irreversible damage to Tom Hollands version of Peter Parker by not being fair in his criticism and meat riding Tobey Maguire Spider-Man
lol that’s just so disingenuous to say Hi-Top did nothing but say his opinion The problem is opinions don’t matter if they don’t have some objective value If mcu Spider-Man has problems it doesn’t matter who says it or why they point it out Because the problems exist that most people ignore or never bother to properly question It’s just an eye opener Also Tom is not a good Spider-Man And you can compare him to Tobey or for me I compare him to insomniac spectator or ultimate Spider-Man And it’s night and day on why mcu Spider-Man is bad the moment you actually look at things without bias If anything mcu Spiderman should have been like Insom Where he had his origin already and we see his story continue beyond that But for 6 films on the mcu it’s a repeat of the same lesson dumbed down and made worse Because he didn’t learn it the first time the second time the third time or the fourth time So when he finally gets consequences It’s just karma because this was coming due to his lack or morals responsibility or just being an idiot for multiple films worth(and in the mcu years)
@@ATalesTruth- everybody will compare Tom to Tobey regardless, it's inevitable and everyone has been done it, I remember when hi top reviewed one of Tom Holland's Spider-Man movies knowing he already didn't like mcu spiderman and admitted on camera that he saw the movie while intoxicated which hindered his experience with the mcu spiderman movie on top of his dislike for mcu spiderman which also prevented him from fully watching the movie I think mcu spiderman has his problems but then again every live action Spider-Man has their problems but I don't think MCU Spider-Man is as bad as some people make him out to be and granted Tobey and Andrew have their differences too since everyone praises Tobey but he did not have web shooters even though that's one of the most popular things about Peter Parker while at least they actually showed Tom Holland making his web fluid at school and civil war confirmed that Tom manufactured his own web fluid when he met Tony for the first time, Tom, Tobey and Andrew all have their strengths and weaknesses, at the end of the day, this is all just my opinion
@@SpiderSora again you make another disingenuous point Trying to say “Tobey has organic webs and not web shooters therefore he is worse or not like peter parker” That not only superficial It’s a non point in your case That’s like me saying Oh insom Spider-Man has a white spider and a advanced suit therefore he isn’t a broke Peter Parker Its superficial nothing burger A point I would make against mcu Spider-Man that would actually hold true is that he Isn’t a Everyman, He is giving suits tech and resources by a billionaire He never makes anything on his own his suit or the gadgets that should be his own invention not starks That’s more of a problem then the idea tobey has orginc webs Because it’s still implied by Sam rami and the writers Tobey is smart enough to make his own web shooters they just didn’t want to put that in the film because it take to long to explain and not having them shouldn’t detract that Peter is still smart as much he doesn’t actually need to make them in this version of the character Tom has no excuses for him being handed everything without making or having anything to do with anything he has He didn’t tell Tony how to make his webbing or how he wanted his suit designed Had its apparent without any of Tony’s tech on any one of his films Peter would not have succeeded or gotten where he is without it Again not an Everyman like Insom Spider-Man who actually does make all his tech and suits by himself with only some people helping but he does 95% of the work And he has limited resources yet still makes ingenious tech and suits That’s something that actually matters Because Tom via this very fact is proven he isn’t smart or an Everyman. How can you relate to someone who is given everything without truly earning it Only because you know Tony who gives it to you
@@ATalesTruth- I think I'm being pretty fair to be honest, yes tom had things handed to him but to an extent because he still had to figure out certain things on his own, far from home he had no more Tony and learned to be himself and be Spider-Man and crafted his own suit and through his relationship with mysterio giving him Tony's glasses caused a lot of problems that ended up with his identity being revealed to the world all because he wanted to spend the summer with the girl he liked instead of saving the world for once and after endgame and infinity war I wouldnt blame him which is a consequence as you guys like to say, he messed up de stranges spell which caused the villains to come to his universe who knew Peter was spiderman and tried to save them because of aunt may's influence on him which ultimately caused her death that Tom admitted was his fault when he could have just sent them home so they can meet their fates and in the end chose the hardest choice which was for everyone to forget about him so at the end of the movie he makes his own suit after losing literally everything and everyone, he turned off Tony's tracker and tried to save the people on the ship during a ship reckage that he caused and suffered the consequence of Tony taking his suit away from him, "If your nothing without this suit then you shouldn't have it" and as a result he spent the rest of homecoming in his homemade suit that he designed before he got all that tech and in the end Tony only gave him back the suit because he felt like Peter earned it and admitted that he was wrong about him while it was stated that he was the only one who believed in him while he said to Peter that he wanted him to be better than him since Peter was trying to be like Tony but in the end he learned to be himself through his growth I don't know about you but those all look like very serious consequences that led to very serious outcomes to me, I think calling me disingenuous is a bit of a stretch in my opinion but eh what can you do? 😅
@@SpiderSora “I think I’m being pretty fair” If you were it wouldn’t be something you have to say Just like if I say “I think I’m right to be honest” Doesn’t actually make me right rather me trying to be right if I went down that road The problem is Tom figuring things out on his own still doesn’t work Because he still needs to be handed ridiculous amounts of help in every film Not just stark tech And no even after Tony’s death He still has his tech his happy and Edith given to him So Tony even in death is still helping out Peter and again in every film he still has help outside of tech Be it iron man himself literally saving them And even at the end of the film vulture could have killed him in which if he did Tom’s journey would end there Be it happy Edith and Shield in far from home In which without shield he wouldn’t have bothered helping to stop a world ending threat willingly(which is both idiotic and selfish to a cosmic scale) Without Edith he wouldn’t have gotten rid of the photo of him being half naked or nearly killing his friends and keeping them safe at the end As in without happy Peter would even be able to attend the final battle or even get a suit with more stark tech Be it Dr strange his magic the iron spider and the other Spider-Men in no way home Mcu Spider-Man has been Spider-Man for 3 years And he can’t even do the bare minimum without massive amounts of help And even without the he massive amounts of help he still manages to screw thing up When many other Spider-Men with far less experience or help who deal with arguably greater threats manage to actually do more and be more smart and responsible about it all even if they need some help Mcu peter didn’t make his own suit in far from home it was already designed and in the computer before he made it 99% of all the mcu suits are made by Tony or inspired of his designs The only 2 suits Peter made was his homemade suit and his final swing suit which you can say he just copied off the suits stark made for him Again compare this to Insom Spider-Man Where Otto simply gives Peter the resources and knowledge to help create the advanced suit But Peter still designed and made the suit of his own mind and ingenuity with Otto simply giving him help on how to improve it And even miles Peter remakes miles a suit Yet at the end of the day miles ends up making his own suit of his own make and ingenuity without peter And again miles even when he had help within his own game Be it from prowler or the tinker it’s implied he doesn’t need either of them to do his job or even help him in the end And ends up fighting both of them when they conflict and actually wins on his own
Its beter because its not the interpretation i grew up with as a kid. The original sam raimi trilogy was perfect and had no flaws. Spiderman 3 is one of the highest reviewed movies ever and has the best use of Venom.
Dude thise is just you're popion you know what thise chanel is the worst MCU channel look Tom holland is the best spider mna ever better than aderw and Toby combined it is jut you're opinion I like the other 2 too but Tom is just way better this vid is just basicly here to waste time
@@isurudushmanthawarnakulasu3310 and the award for most pointless comment of all time goes to… I mean seriously your comment boils down to “you is wrong Tom Holland solos” Which is a shit argument when you aren’t refuting any points made 🤷♂️
If he’s the best Spider-Man show me a single swinging scene where it even rivals the amazing Spider-Man or tobeys Spider-Man he even gets overshadowed by them in his own movie
I used to love tom holland's spider man but after i consumed more spider man media, I began to dislike this rendition of the character more and more as the years go by. Anyways great video just as always.
@@TheGamingRift11 It's got points but a lot of it just doesn't seem like you want these grand films and not just movies. I think a lot of us accepted Tom Holland isn't the MCU's The Batman lol plus they have to innovate with Tom since we've had two Spidermen in the 21st century it'd get a little repetative if he was by-the-book
@@kamarocho I want good well written characters, something that the MCU provides with a lot of characters. Yet Spiderman didn’t get that treatment 🤷♂️
I honestly think Tom is the best Spider-Man He’s the direct person that fits Spider-Man and Peter Parker and actually fits his personality for Peter Parker and Spider-Man
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My biggest problem with him is Iron Man. In the comics, Peter straight up went off on Tony one time. He’s not the type of guy to idolize any of his fellow heroes. Not to mention Tom severely lacks the temper comic Peter had.
I feel like most adaptations lack it, not even recent ones.
@@kendi5391that’s because Peter is usually older in the more recent adaptations, and therefore more mature. In his teenage years he definitely had a bit of a temper, especially when things don’t go the way he thought they would
I never liked how MCU’s spiderman doesn’t show enough epic web swinging scenes.
Really hated how much he relied on Iron Man and others
He didn’t. He spent half of homecoming avoiding Tony the whole time while Spider-Man pursues Vulture’s criminal empire. Or did you miss all of that?? Show me where he relied on Tony stark.
If you need six movies and few retcons to establish a iconic superhero such as Spider-Man, as the character you see in the poster when going to a theater, that means you automatically failed the character and yourself as a writer.
That or they wanted a cash grab because they knew they were bad and would rather trick most people to think it’s somehow a masterpiece to waste everyone’s time until someone who actually cares to come along
Tbh I think his films were entertaining but wow…. His writing is very all over the place 😂
Tom never felt like spiderman to me. He feels like a filler character even in his own movies, had no consequences for his actions (it's only until no way home that consequences actually happen) which is absolutely ridiculous considering Tom has had 6 FUCKING MOVIES! Phenomenal actor, terrible spiderman. That's my opinion on his character.
Exactly how I feel. From what I've heard to have him in the MCU he's always got to have a big MCU character there which I think is why Tony, Fury, and Strange appear in his trilogy, but it just limits him now.
This is just a bad take in its entirety. Three of those films he was a side character, since the conflict was bigger then himself and other character rightfully had more focus on them. Peter also does have consequnces to his actions big or small in each film. Losing the suit, not being able to dance with Liz, Liz moving away, his identity being revealed, and his sacrifice at the end of NWH, he suffers and struggles in each of his films, stopping ignoring that.
@@Arrowzeditz it's not abt the consequences it's how they're treated. Liz moving away had no impact in the next movie,. The suit being removed had barely any point because he just did what he had to do anyways
Saying he has no consequences until no way home you’ve clearly haven’t watched the movies if that’s the case
@@Helen46646 bruh liz done absolutely nothing to the story💀
The worst legacy of this version of the character is that it completely pigeon-holded Tom Holland and made him forever type cast into the same roles over and over again with a small exception here and there.
Fr Tom has range. It's sad.
I feel peter should have been spiderman longer than 6 mounths, by the time he gets the stark suit, I thinl he shoudve been spiderman for 2 years by that point, have him face off against some of his roughs gallery, have uncle ben be a bigger part of mcu peter, that would have been real nice imo.
Oh boy.... I disagree with you with MCU Spider-Man being bad. But hey, that's your opinion.
Why did you disagree
@@ATalesTruth- Cuz I like him.
he's not a bad spiderman because you like him? 😂
@@user-be3oe6nt9rwhy do you like him
Mcu Spiderman is not Spiderman. He’s iron man jr dressed as Spiderman. There is a difference
Mcu wasted spider man frl I was so hyped for civil war for absolutely nothing
Always felt like toms Spider-Man was put on screen to sell toys just me ?
Amazing Spider-Man was canceled by Sony because they weren't satisfied with toy sales
@@_Darkus_I thought it was because Andrew Garfield didn’t show up for the reveal of The Amazing Spider-Man 3 at a convention, so they didn’t show it and eventually cancelled production.
@@GS_Official120 yeah, it's just you lol
It's not like they wanted to give Tom the role because they felt like he deserves it, or wants to try a different take on Spider-Man despite the flaws or anything lol
@@_Darkus_nope, it was because they shoved in goblin in TASM 2 and flopped hard
@@MBST1that’s the correct answer, Andrew was sick at the time.
I agree. Spider-man is a Multigenerational Super Hero. The new generation got introduced and preferred the type of Spider-man they got. That means him saving people, Being a Lone hero and many other things that aren't part of the MCU spidey aren't part of the Spider-man they like, so they don't look for that in the future movies they watch.
Is like a Kid Growing up watching the DAREDEVIL MOVIE, and then Watching the show and thinking is Dumb for Matt to NOT kill.
I grew up on Ben afflecks daredevil and loved it at the time (still do tbh, the soundtrack still slaps) but I think we can all agree that the Netflix daredevil is the superior adaptation over the affleck daredevil. I just hope they don’t screw it up in born again
Awesome job with this video man. The MCU Spiderman is cool but yeah there are things that really bothered me. I wish they mentioned Uncle Ben and I wish Peter didn’t rely on Dr. Strange to erase everyone’s memory. It would have been cool to seen how Peter would deal with the whole world knowing who he is. Plus I wish he stuck with the Civil War suit.
Honestly, I've never had a problem with MCU Spider-Man, but considering that they are problems with his character, here's how I would rewrite him (I'll be focusing on Homecoming):
First up, have him still look up to Iron Man. However, instead of being a blind follower to him, he would rather just look up to Tony as a role model and admires him because he acknowledges Tony might be a flawed person, but it still trying to do the right thing. Also, have Peter reveal that he was the same kid that Tony saved back in Iron Man 2. Also, have Peter acknowledge Uncle Ben and Aunt May actually being a loving and caring Aunt who gives out good advice to her nephew. Also, I would have Tom's Uncle Ben be revealed that he died from cancer and Peter doesn't really get the full idea of "With Great Power, comes Great Responsibility" motto at first and the whole reason why he became Spider-Man is because, after seeing Iron Man and the rest of the Avengers in action, he becomes a superhero because he thinks it's fun and cool. However, throughout the trilogy, he will slowly understand what is means "With Great Power, comes Great Responsibility."
Much of the Homecoming plot would still go the same, with a few changes. For one, Iron Man wouldn't have such a huge role in the movie. In the scene where Peter falls into the river, he actually gets himself out and Iron Man arrives just afterward. Iron Man still helps him save the ferry, however. It's clear that Peter is starting to become annoyed by Tony's presence while Tony believes Peter needs him, since Tony wants to desperately wants to be his mentor because he sees a lot of himself in Peter. He wants to be the father figure to Peter that Howard never was to him. Now, afterwards, when Peter has his suit taken away by Tony, Peter still continues to be Spider-Man with his homemade suit, although he's more mad at the fact he got his suit taken away by Iron Man and is being babied by him. Also, it's revealed that Peter wants to become a Avenger, so he can be famous.
For Vulture, just make him less of a Iron Man villain and more of a Spider-Man Villain. It's revealed that Vulture is stealing tech from Stark Industries so he can sell it to the black market for money so he and his daughter, who wouldn't be Liz, can survive. Eventually, Peter finds out about this and realizes that he is fighting someone who just wants to survive. Soon, just like the climax, Peter beats Vulture, but, instead of deciding to turn him in for the authorities, he decides to convince Tony in helping Adrian get a job at Stark Industries so he and his daughter can live a happy life.
Peter's character arc in Homecoming would be about him realizing that he should first focus on the needs of the people before himself (Given how he realizes that it's too quick to become a Avenger yet and New York needs him more).
Those are some ideas to how I would rewrite his character. I'm coming up with more ideas right now. Let me know what you think of them so far.
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@@kingkiryu Thanks
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Not really about the video, but do you think Peter will go back to a tech suit (advanced suit 3.0 or something idk) or will he keep using anti venom and just have the symbiote change into the red/blue colors.
@@QTRemnant time will tell
I disagree with your opinion
Bro obviously didn’t watch the movie, he couldn’t use the fabricator because Happy doesn’t know who he is so he can’t just use stark Tech anymore. It was a scene that proves he is on his own everyone forgot about him they literally show it on the damn movie, also the “magic suit” is literally the far from home suit..inside out. Watch the movie fully before yapping a whole lot about nothing😭
@@miguelgomez2663 they forget Peter, they don’t forget Spiderman
So Spiderman very much go to the remaining avengers as if nothing happened to create new suits 🤷♂️
Hot take: Tom is the best live action spiderman actor ever, he was better than both tobey and amdrew.
Agreed
Get a load of this guy 😂😂😂
@@calebmcclure3893he said hot take
I always felt something was missing while watching his movies and now I know what...I agree with pretty much everything said in this video, this is pretty much how I felt while watching his films.
I think every live action Spider-Man have their pros and cons, and also, Sony did Spider-Man way dirtier than the MCU. Like how they wanted to make a multiverse movie of Spider man which was by Sony not by the MCU.
My favourite version of Spider-Man will always be the insomniac version.
Also he didnt want to quit being spiderman he just want to be normal and not deal with hero problems so no he doesn't want to quit being spiderman in every movie
Okay and that’s still terrible writing for Spiderman 🤷♂️
The common idea of Spidey is that he will always be Spiderman even when the cons outweigh the benefits.
Of course every Spidey has moments where they want to be normal, but that’s what makes him endearing as a character, that he never gives up
@TheGamingRift11 yeah ur right but he is younger than Andrew and tobeys spiderman so he's definitely going want to be more normal but yeah him wanting to be normal is over used in Tom's movies I do agree with that point
Actually Tobey’s Spider-Man only quits when his power’s stopped working and the doctor told him to rest. Meaning that he STILL would’ve been Spider-Man regardless
He wouldn’t have. As shown with the following scene with the uncle ben moment
@@TheGamingRift11 that scene was shown after Tobey was losing his powers wasn’t it?
@@Yourfat247this argument is wrong for the simple reason Peter goes into a burning building with 0 powers
Peter quitting is caused by a multitude of factors is powers are apart but it’s everything together on top
@@ATalesTruth- now this is wrong, Peter’s powers are KNULL, he still has them. They just aren’t working. He goes into the building because it’s his nature, whilst de powered he watches the police in a car chase and willingly walks away from a guy getting mugged
@@ATalesTruth- meaning that Peter quitting is because of his MENTAL HEALTH, the movie focuses on that via his dream. His powers are an excuse. If they had no weight then raimi would’ve had Peter kept them
Thank you rift
@@ATalesTruth- what for?
@@TheGamingRift11 for reminding me why I love the character(Spider-Man) in general
@@ATalesTruth- anytime!!
HARD disagree but we are all intitled to our own opinions and I’m intitled to mine
@@Theultimatelifeform217 what specific points do you disagree with?
Tbh a lot of this video is just nitpicks, misunderstandings and general lack of knowledge of the nuances of Toms' portrayal of the character, a and examples if not such as the NWH suit count, Tom not wanting to be Spider Man in FFH. He never wanted to stop being Spidey. He just wanted a break. Peter giving Beck the glasses in the bar scene, claiming it's "out of character" for Tom.
Im not saying you can't have valid criticism of the trilogy. You can, but very few of your critiques are actually good ones, and you just misinterpret what the story is trying to communicate.
This is just a bad critique.
@@Arrowzeditz care to address specific issues?
Or is this comment just the definition of “video bad cause bad?” 🤔
@@HitPieceGaming02but that’s wrong for the simple fact if Peter was making every excuse in the book to not be Spider-Man to help stop a world ending threat
Where he is the only help they have
Where if he doesn’t help and the world is destroyed and people die
It be on him
And he never once even considers that
Compare this to Insom Spider-Man in the miles game
He went on a vacation outside of NYC
Yet the moment something went wrong
He was immediately ready to abandon his vacation in the event no one can handle it(miles he trained for a year that he trusts said he handle it which is why him not coming is ok)
And let’s be clear imagine if Peter said he wouldn’t stop sandman or the alien invasion in Spider-Man 2 if there was no miles
Or he thought the avengers or another hero will handle it
Despite being the only hero available
Do you see how irresponsible that would be
Yet people argue what mcu peter is doing is 100% ok
@@HitPieceGaming02 but the issue is peter if he wants his vacation can’t have it if the world is destroyed
You can focus under the assumption the world will end the next day if no one does anything about it
It makes no sense why Peter doesn’t help even if he was 100% selfish or even evil
Heck the best example I can make is Dr doom helping other heroes to save the world if only so he can rule it
Saving the world should be your go to if you want to do anything in said world
Peter has no established ptsd(not even like Tony’s from avengers 1) plus being Spider-Man for months after endgame doesn’t make it seem like he needs it since he didn’t the one immediately after the fact
And given people make jokes about the blip and act as if the 5 year time skip didn’t happen in far from home
There is no indication Peter is dealing with any type of depression either
Since if you know anyone who is depressed
That wouldn’t be happy even under a good vacation they still be thinking about the events that tramtized them
Which again peter shows no signs of
He acts happy and Jolly
It’s hard to believe that plays any factor into peter wanting a break at all
And again even if he wants a break he can’t do it under the context if the world is destroyed I can’t have my break at all
It’s not even about being Spider-Man for the right reasons at that point since even bad people would agree to help for their own reasons if only to live
Again Peter is not mature or intelligent in the mcu for the reasons I just described
Even if you want to make the argument that’s what the writers wanted
They poorly written it
Because if Peter was depressed or tramatized he wouldn’t be acting the way he is
And if he was smart to any degree he would help even if he didn’t want to for the simple fact (he isn’t doing this to save the world he is doing it to have his vacation)
And the major fact is if fury didn’t hijack his trip and force peter to help Peter wouldn’t have
Which again proves my point why it’s badly written, selfish of Peter and makes him an idiot(he has to be an idiot in the film for the plot to even happen)
@ATalesTruth- Trying to compare different versions of Spidey with different criteria and critising this Spidey for not following that exact criteria is just entirely stupid.
This is why this video is bad, Rift just glazes over the smaller important details, like the ones I mentioned before
Peter doesn't want to be a part of Nick Furys op in FFH because he wants a break, but also, it's literally his development from the first film showing, mixing with the weight of expectations. Peters' self-confidence in being Spider Man is essentially in shambles after being hit by the train. As a teenager, it's relatable.
Not wanting to have to experience that weight and intense feeling like youre drowning, stop trying to act like every Peter is a paragon of responsibility, he didnt have the Uncle Ben moment at this point in time, so expecting him to act just like the others. His story was taken a different way, so stop criticizing it for being different.
@@Arrowzeditz so not following great power comes great responsibility is not a criteria
And it’s stupid for me to say these versions that uphold it actually are better despite the difference in context
And let’s say ok Peter in the mcu doesn’t understand great power comes great responsibility
That still doesn’t make it better
And I’ll tell you why
You see you thinking this video is bad or that you have a point is is very jarring
Because mcu Spider-Man even in context of his own universe is a selfish spoiled brat, who is an idiot via every decision he makes and irresponsible to a degree not even a normal person would go to
Peter not helping top a world ending threat is stupid for the simple reason if he wants his vacation at all he has to save the world to even have it
If he doesn’t help at all he risks the world being destroyed not having his vacation and everything and everyone he loves or cares about will be destroyed
Again even bad people would help if only for selfish reasons
Meaning not willing to help at all
is idiotic or suicidal
Especially when you are the only one available to help
In the end Peter should know it’s not a matter of how he feels if he can live to enjoy his vacation
Plus if someone does die because he wasn’t willing to even help it be in him
And you assume if he feels guilty about anything he help so nothing bad happens so it won’t be in his conscience
The problem with mcu peter is even if he never learned great power comes great responsibility and was completely selfish
He is still an idiot, and why should you care about someone who doesn’t learn what it means to be good until they in danger everyone else by causing an event that blows up in his face where he now has to do the right thing
Peter is no perfect in any of the adaptations I listed
But unlike Mcu
There are smart about it, they understand basic cause and effect and still do the right thing even if it’s for selfish reasons
not because they were forced to
or because they always made a mess so big it blew up in their face in almost every arc
I completely agree with what you said, tom was an amazing actor, but the writing for peter was all over the place, I personally enjoyed the movies but it coudve been way better, like for example just imagine mstereo threatons to reveal his identity and after peter stops him as a consequence his identity is revealed, and now his family is endager, and have peter get progressivly more desperate to the point he goes to doctor strange etc, now this isnt perfect, but I personally think this would have been a lil better.
I suppose these are solid points to tom Holland's spidey but Tom Holland is my favorite live action spider man so everyone is obligated to have their opinions about him
He can be your favorite
But having a favorite doesn’t make it better when it objectively has problems
For instance if I said DCEU Batman was my favorite Batman
That doesn’t change the fact that Batman kills is a poorly written Batman that betrays the very morals and foundations Batman should I stand for
So calling him my favorite is based on superficials or projections
And doesn’t change he is a bad version of Batman
Absolutely! Acknowledging flaws in something you like makes you more credible
@@TheGamingRift11True that
I honestly think that tom is kinda the middle ground of the ither 2 live action spidermen we had he wasn't bad at things he was amazing at them he was just good and i feel like the writers wanted to have a middle ground for him but went to close to the middle ground to make something amazing out of spiderman
He has the most comic accurate outfit, and is what Stan Lee imagined Spider-Man to be, in an interview he says Tom is how he imagined Spider-Man, Andrew is the worst cause of his attitude and the writing.
@@CK4412Productions no. Andrew is great
@@CK4412Productions a comic accurate costume doesn’t excuse him acting nothing like Spiderman 🤷♂️
@@TheGamingRift11 Did Toby act like the original, comic accurate Spider-Man? Did Andrew also?
@@CK4412Productions yes. Tobey much more than Andrew admittedly
However comparing Tobey to Tom is not an argument you wanna make regarding the comic accuracy route
Stan said he loves all the actors what are you talking about he even called Andrew the best Spider-Man
This version of Peter actually grew into the role and became Spiderman we actually saw the progression just in a different way i disagree with your take for sure.
Ikr
The problem with your argument is this Spider-Man is extremely dumbed down and has to learn something that otherwise shouldn’t have taken 6 films to set up
Where as if civil war imples his origin already happened then effectively all the films with Spider-Man forward shouldn’t have happened or at least they way they happened
@@ATalesTruth- I would have agreed with you if this wasn't the 3rd live action Spiderman so no your argument doesn't work it's a different take the other spidermen did what you just implied basically twice and honestly they still aren't exactly peak spidermen imo the MCU made Spiderman fit in the MCU without making it feel the same as the other 2 is it different sure that doesn't mean it's bad and in the end he still ended up growing into the role the right way it fits.
@@NMbones98 again you missed the point
Even if Tom didn’t have his origin yet it’s still a problem that this is effectively a dumbed down version of Spider-Man by that same principle
Regardless of how you want him in the mcu
Making it so he learns nothing or doesn’t learn what he should have even without being irresponsible but learning responsibility would have been the best choice
Yet they make him irresponsible as if he can learn anything until hit bites him back in the A**
In which
Meaning we have been watching a spoiled brat who wants to be a hero for every reason but the right one
Let me ask you would you watch Batman where his parents are still alive just
be Batman in the new cininsmaic universe where it’s set up everything is light hearted
And he is only Batman because he is a rich and wants to beat up people and be respected by people
not because he understands the pain of losing loved ones and doesn’t want that to happen to anyone again
That’s the problem here
No one with any sense of decency is going to love that version of Batman
Or excuse him for such behavior
Especially when said behavior is probably what gets his parents killed 6 films later
To only then make is so he act like the actual Batman
But again has to mess up so bad with how he is acting his morals and how he treats everything
Should it be excused simply because he didn’t understand something like that until it happened
Do you see the problem here
They don’t care until they mess up so bad in morals or are so dumb they end up causing the very thing they didn’t want to happen
If you understand that you realize the problem
Yet you like many others when looking at mcu Spider-Man
who is an irresponsible dumbass because apparently he didn’t lose uncle Ben
him being an irresponsible dumbass should be excused????
WHY
he is acting like Ben never died and as if he can be stupid and irresponsible and be Spider-Man simply because he wants to for everything it could give him
Not because of what he can give to others
And in every solo film Peter is stupid and irresponsible and acts surprised when he doesn’t get his way or when something goes wrong
it comes off as “f around and find out”
As in they get what was coming to him
Aunt may dying is his fault in more way then one
So again why look up to mcu Spider-Man or call him good
When for most of his films he was acting in a way that would cause the deaths of not only his loved ones other people’s lives or the entire universe
Only to fix his own F up
There is nothing about McU Spider-Man that can be endearing
Its one thing if he acted like Spider-Man somewhat even without his origin
But he was the antithesis of it
So why should we see him as good
When every versions of Spider-Man would slap him senseless for his actions behavior and mindset
@@ATalesTruth- and again you missed the point it's A DIFFERENT TAKE you don't got to like it yes that was the point he was a spoiled brat learning what it means to be Spiderman and he did he had to learn the hard way why is that a bad thing it's something that wasn't done before it's kool if you don't fuk with it but that doesn't mean it's bad because as I said before he still returned to the main root of being Spiderman we saw the growth get it???
Its your opinion, and nothing's wrong with that. But I do disagree that the fact he is the worst, but it's your opinion.
I’m mean he can be your favorite
But objectively speaking
Is he better then Andrew; is he better then tobey
If no then he is the worse
And even comparing other versions of Spider-Man
Be it spectacular Spiderman ultimate comics Spiderman, Peter b from spider verse, or insomniac Peter
Is he better then all of them in writing
I think it be a stretch if you said he was
@@ATalesTruth- Yes he is better than all of them
@@LibasseSakho HOW
DID YOU READ MY COMMENT IN WHICH VERSIONS
AND IF SO
WHY STILL
@@ATalesTruth- Can you wrote properly pls , I don't understand your English
@@LibasseSakho answer the question!!!
My problem is how they made him TOO much like a teenager. Yeah Peter Parker is a teenager but constantly watching "M-Mr Stark" or "Sir" gets old really, REALLY FAST, and then the villains aren't even really his. Vulture? An arms dealer mad at rich people like Tony and even tries to reason with Peter. Mysterio? A crazy guy who felt wronged by Tony and wants to replace him as the next big superhero and even wants to avoid dealing with Peter. The Sinister 5? All villains from other Spider-Mans, Tom's Peter just got nothing there's no emotional stakes. Yeah there was emotion behind Norman when he killed May, but then its overshadowed by the other 4 villains they got to deal with.
@@bullylowenthal2683 Alright buddy calm down its fucking Spiderman no need to be pressed. I never said Vulture was an Iron Man villain so do some proof reading next time, I've never seen the other projects so I got no opinion on them but just assuming someone hates everything because of a different opinion from yours is childish as hell, and "Can't back up any points to why MCU Spiderman is bad." I literally did, he fanboys over Iron Man and stutters so much talking to him and stutters talking to Doctor Strange too. Also I never said there were no emotions in the movie, my comment literally had an example of one but I went over the issues with that too so once again, actually read the comment.
@@bullylowenthal2683 Fuck you mean backtracking its literally what I said in the original comment. Did you even read anything or just see someone had a different opinion than you and got all pissed.
@@bullylowenthal2683 Backtracking? Its literally what I said in the original comment, did you actually read it or did you just see an opinion different from yours and get all angry?
@@bullylowenthal2683 Your first comment included insults and assumptions so yes you're angry, and I'm not trying to prove you wrong, I'm stating my opinions. Which news flash for you apparently, people can have different ones. I. Don't. Like. The. MCU. Spider-man. Deal with it.
Well there are some things I disagree ultimately I will say the MCU Spider-Man has been fun but very rough. I hope whatever the next trilogy of Spider-Man films they do will actually keep what They set up in no way home.
Absolutely. Saying he had a shaky start is an understatement as 6 films is more than many characters have period. But regardless he has promise in NWH. I hope they don’t fuck it up
@@TheGamingRift11 That's also one thing I got to give you credit on cuz I totally forgot We also got an account the whole of MCU so technically speaking we've seen the Spider-Man six times and constantly getting reset every time we see him lol 🤣
@@MrDegenerate28 true it really is a shame although it isn’t necessarily his fault. The MCU was primarily focused around the Avengers and unfortunately legitimately great characters like Spider-Man, Black Panther and even Vision were sorta sidelined
Ok there is a reason why spiderman at the end of no way home because everything forgot peter even computers and since his suit has a computer it forgot who he was so peter has to make a new suit
If that is the case then I wish the film did a better job explaining it.
Although did suits have AI? It’s only ever confirmed in Homecoming-Endgame and never mentioned again after that. I feel like the writers forgot he has the AI
@TheGamingRift11 yeah listen I completely agree with you after endgame and homecoming they completely forgot peter had ais but still I think Tom holland is a great spiderman actor
Okay, you provided good points, and I’m fine that you’re don’t find too much enjoyment in MCU Spidey, but for me personally, I still enjoy Tom’s version of Spidey; his writing just isn’t the best. I hope they can improve on that front.
Good video.
Exactly my point but I do think his writing…is good but not one of the best
(I’m my saying it has flaws…it does)
the iron spider suit was damaged and couldn’t fully protect peter so it makes sense why he moved to the upgraded suit
@@user-silentnight1234 the problem is the moment Otto gave back the nanotech he should have had the iron spider
@@ATalesTruth- i dont think he has the rest of the iron spider suit
@@user-silentnight1234 he does thou it you pay attention the thing controlling Otto’s arms is the rest of the iron spider
Plus it’s stupid for him to not bring it
@@ATalesTruth- part of the iron spider suit is controlling the arms and why would peter bring a damaged suit when he has a perfectly fine suit
@@user-silentnight1234because it’s not damaged all Otto did was remove the nano tech
And it was fully functional so the idea it can be put back into the rest of the iron spider is BS
And if you had any credibility you admit that
He was the best spidey in civil war and homecoming. My opinion. He was my favorite at least. After that the movies got bad. No way home was much much better but felt rushed and the first half had its issues
I don’t care about watching the video, just wanted to say that making this video in a post-NWH era is sad. Tobey will always be the GOAT, and I really disliked HC and FFH, but after NWH, I came to appreciate Tom and now I love them all. You’re like 5 years too late for this video mate
@@cantstandya9749 you still clicked on it 5 years after it’s supposedly too late 🤷♂️
People can make content on anything anytime.
@@TheGamingRift11 sorry if it came off as aggressive. I saw one of your shorts, chose to check out your channel and this was the first video that popped up. You can make whatever you want, obviously. I just think that No Way Home addressed so many issues we all had with Tom to the point where talking about past mistakes is just a moot point. I’m personally excited for the future and no longer care about HC and the dumpster fire that was FFH
@@cantstandya9749 yeah his films so far were a let down. Fingers crossed his future films improve
Jesus Christ I didn’t take you for being a Raimi Meat rider. I’m convinced you never watched the movies. I’m betting you didn’t even read the Spider-Man comics either.
Sorry to disappoint but I’ve watched all of these films dozens of times. Also the comics are irrelevant when discussing an adaptation seperate to said comics.
Also well done for not actually addressing any points and essentially coping 😅
Also how am I a Raimi fanboy when I also think TASM:Insomniac are also better than Tom? Again thank you for coping
@@TheGamingRift11 it does when you take into account that Raimi meat riders are the loudest voices when it comes to Spider-Man, yet are the least knowledgeable about the material considering a good 80% of you forgot that Harry wasn’t even Peter’s friend in high school, it was a whole ass Mandela effect the Raimi films had on you, along with the Symbiote affecting Peter’s emotions which wasn’t a thing until ultimate comics, Sam Raimi, and Spectacular Spider-Man made it a thing. On top of all of that, half of the known supporting cast like Liz Allan, Ned Leeds, Betty Brant who actually is supposed to be in high school with Peter, are nowhere to be seen. That’s just a few of the many talking points I can keep going??
@@grenas1995 pointless generalisation isn’t going to get you anywhere. Especially when you don’t actually address points made in the video
@@TheGamingRift11 it does if you can’t retort or rebuttal said “pointless generalizations”, especially when those generalizations prove a huge point. You want me to be honest?? I sniffed out the Raimi Meat Rider bs with the thumbnail alone. Every Raimi Meat rider has one like it. So no I didn’t bother with your bullshit ass video with you most like glazing Tobey, because it’s all the same bullshit Raimi Meat rider bullshit we’ve all heard plenty of times before. You can almost sequence it in order. “ToNy StArK, ToO MuCh TecH, IrOn bOy Jr, He AlWaYs NeEds ToNy, No ConSequEnces.” It’s all the same broken record points from one dimensional so called “fans” of the character.
First off where was rami meat riding
Second if that’s your only defense
That means your a Tom meat rider
Third comics gives the foundation
In which tobey andrew insomniac spectacular ultimate, spider verse
All those adaptation follow the comics better then Tom Spider-Man
Why does everyone hate MCU spider-man?
It’s not hate
It’s pointing out he isn’t good
Or that he is in fact the worse version of Spider-Man if you did a simple comparison or actually look at the Spider-Man character
Cause he isn’t well written for the most part
Hes not. 2017 show is and overall this adaptation is just really great
Ok how or why
@ATalesTruth- have you seen the 2017 show?
2017 show is exactly like mcu spider-man lol
@captainbeastwinger4940 how? Iron man ain't even in that show
My mind is so divided on this video. No offence btw
@@RRai2000 by all means! I knew it would be controversial!!
feel free to elaborate!
@TheGamingRift11 I guess the only good thing that the version has was his time in school like the comics and Spectacular Spider man.
But I definitely agree with the video and I already prefer the Insomniacs version.
I defo agree with u I hate his Spiderman since I watched half of Homecoming and it’s the worse Spiderman movie personally
good vid.👍.
Thanks 👍
Not saying I disagree with everything in this video but I think Hi-Top film's dislike for mcu Spider-Man has done some irreversible damage to Tom Hollands version of Peter Parker by not being fair in his criticism and meat riding Tobey Maguire Spider-Man
lol that’s just so disingenuous to say
Hi-Top did nothing but say his opinion
The problem is opinions don’t matter if they don’t have some objective value
If mcu Spider-Man has problems it doesn’t matter who says it or why they point it out
Because the problems exist that most people ignore or never bother to properly question
It’s just an eye opener
Also Tom is not a good Spider-Man
And you can compare him to Tobey or for me I compare him to insomniac spectator or ultimate Spider-Man
And it’s night and day on why mcu Spider-Man is bad the moment you actually look at things without bias
If anything mcu Spiderman should have been like Insom
Where he had his origin already and we see his story continue beyond that
But for 6 films on the mcu it’s a repeat of the same lesson dumbed down and made worse
Because he didn’t learn it the first time the second time the third time or the fourth time
So when he finally gets consequences
It’s just karma because this was coming due to his lack or morals responsibility or just being an idiot for multiple films worth(and in the mcu years)
@@ATalesTruth- everybody will compare Tom to Tobey regardless, it's inevitable and everyone has been done it, I remember when hi top reviewed one of Tom Holland's Spider-Man movies knowing he already didn't like mcu spiderman and admitted on camera that he saw the movie while intoxicated which hindered his experience with the mcu spiderman movie on top of his dislike for mcu spiderman which also prevented him from fully watching the movie
I think mcu spiderman has his problems but then again every live action Spider-Man has their problems but I don't think MCU Spider-Man is as bad as some people make him out to be and granted Tobey and Andrew have their differences too since everyone praises Tobey but he did not have web shooters even though that's one of the most popular things about Peter Parker while at least they actually showed Tom Holland making his web fluid at school and civil war confirmed that Tom manufactured his own web fluid when he met Tony for the first time, Tom, Tobey and Andrew all have their strengths and weaknesses, at the end of the day, this is all just my opinion
@@SpiderSora again you make another disingenuous point
Trying to say “Tobey has organic webs and not web shooters therefore he is worse or not like peter parker”
That not only superficial
It’s a non point in your case
That’s like me saying
Oh insom Spider-Man has a white spider and a advanced suit therefore he isn’t a broke Peter Parker
Its superficial nothing burger
A point I would make against mcu Spider-Man that would actually hold true
is that he Isn’t a Everyman,
He is giving suits tech and resources by a billionaire
He never makes anything on his own his suit or the gadgets that should be his own invention not starks
That’s more of a problem then the idea tobey has orginc webs
Because it’s still implied by Sam rami and the writers Tobey is smart enough to make his own web shooters they just didn’t want to put that in the film because it take to long to explain and not having them shouldn’t detract that Peter is still smart as much he doesn’t actually need to make them in this version of the character
Tom has no excuses for him being handed everything without making or having anything to do with anything he has
He didn’t tell Tony how to make his webbing or how he wanted his suit designed
Had its apparent without any of Tony’s tech on any one of his films
Peter would not have succeeded or gotten where he is without it
Again not an Everyman like Insom Spider-Man who actually does make all his tech and suits by himself with only some people helping but he does 95% of the work
And he has limited resources yet still makes ingenious tech and suits
That’s something that actually matters
Because Tom via this very fact is proven he isn’t smart or an Everyman.
How can you relate to someone who is given everything without truly earning it
Only because you know Tony who gives it to you
@@ATalesTruth- I think I'm being pretty fair to be honest, yes tom had things handed to him but to an extent because he still had to figure out certain things on his own, far from home he had no more Tony and learned to be himself and be Spider-Man and crafted his own suit and through his relationship with mysterio giving him Tony's glasses caused a lot of problems that ended up with his identity being revealed to the world all because he wanted to spend the summer with the girl he liked instead of saving the world for once and after endgame and infinity war I wouldnt blame him which is a consequence as you guys like to say, he messed up de stranges spell which caused the villains to come to his universe who knew Peter was spiderman and tried to save them because of aunt may's influence on him which ultimately caused her death that Tom admitted was his fault when he could have just sent them home so they can meet their fates and in the end chose the hardest choice which was for everyone to forget about him so at the end of the movie he makes his own suit after losing literally everything and everyone, he turned off Tony's tracker and tried to save the people on the ship during a ship reckage that he caused and suffered the consequence of Tony taking his suit away from him, "If your nothing without this suit then you shouldn't have it" and as a result he spent the rest of homecoming in his homemade suit that he designed before he got all that tech and in the end Tony only gave him back the suit because he felt like Peter earned it and admitted that he was wrong about him while it was stated that he was the only one who believed in him while he said to Peter that he wanted him to be better than him since Peter was trying to be like Tony but in the end he learned to be himself through his growth
I don't know about you but those all look like very serious consequences that led to very serious outcomes to me, I think calling me disingenuous is a bit of a stretch in my opinion but eh what can you do? 😅
@@SpiderSora “I think I’m being pretty fair”
If you were it wouldn’t be something you have to say
Just like if I say “I think I’m right to be honest”
Doesn’t actually make me right rather me trying to be right if I went down that road
The problem is Tom figuring things out on his own still doesn’t work
Because he still needs to be handed ridiculous amounts of help in every film
Not just stark tech
And no even after Tony’s death
He still has his tech his happy and Edith given to him
So Tony even in death is still helping out Peter
and again in every film he still has help outside of tech
Be it iron man himself literally saving them
And even at the end of the film vulture could have killed him in which if he did Tom’s journey would end there
Be it happy Edith and Shield in far from home
In which without shield he wouldn’t have bothered helping to stop a world ending threat willingly(which is both idiotic and selfish to a cosmic scale)
Without Edith he wouldn’t have gotten rid of the photo of him being half naked or nearly killing his friends and keeping them safe at the end
As in without happy Peter would even be able to attend the final battle or even get a suit with more stark tech
Be it Dr strange his magic the iron spider and the other Spider-Men in no way home
Mcu Spider-Man has been Spider-Man for 3 years
And he can’t even do the bare minimum without massive amounts of help
And even without the he massive amounts of help he still manages to screw thing up
When many other Spider-Men with far less experience or help who deal with arguably greater threats manage to actually do more and be more smart and responsible about it all even if they need some help
Mcu peter didn’t make his own suit in far from home it was already designed and in the computer before he made it
99% of all the mcu suits are made by Tony or inspired of his designs
The only 2 suits Peter made was his homemade suit and his final swing suit which you can say he just copied off the suits stark made for him
Again compare this to Insom Spider-Man
Where Otto simply gives Peter the resources and knowledge to help create the advanced suit
But Peter still designed and made the suit of his own mind and ingenuity with Otto simply giving him help on how to improve it
And even miles
Peter remakes miles a suit
Yet at the end of the day miles ends up making his own suit of his own make and ingenuity without peter
And again miles even when he had help within his own game
Be it from prowler or the tinker it’s implied he doesn’t need either of them to do his job or even help him in the end
And ends up fighting both of them when they conflict and actually wins on his own
Great video
I disagree with this bc boi I love mcu spidey
But the beginning of this video is correct like something as much as you want to
Why?
@@TheGamingRift11I just edited it but to me he is spider man or a version I just like his character that’s just me still love your vids tho ❤
We need hobgoblin
Another W vid from one of the goats of youtube, I have a feeling your gonna get a lotta hate.
The worst Spider-man ever made.
Its beter because its not the interpretation i grew up with as a kid. The original sam raimi trilogy was perfect and had no flaws. Spiderman 3 is one of the highest reviewed movies ever and has the best use of Venom.
Naa Andrew worse then Tom by a mile
How
hell nah
At least he had a satisfying arc
Hi
Hello
20:50 you kinda copied Hi-top films dialog in this "everything is fine" section
Did he do that as well? Repetition to make a point. Good for him
Although I doubt it was “copying”
@@TheGamingRift11 my apologies, I meant no disrespect, just noticed it was very similar
@@calebmcclure3893 all good dw!! :)
Dude thise is just you're popion you know what thise chanel is the worst MCU channel look Tom holland is the best spider mna ever better than aderw and Toby combined it is jut you're opinion I like the other 2 too but Tom is just way better this vid is just basicly here to waste time
@@isurudushmanthawarnakulasu3310 and the award for most pointless comment of all time goes to…
I mean seriously your comment boils down to “you is wrong Tom Holland solos”
Which is a shit argument when you aren’t refuting any points made 🤷♂️
If he’s the best Spider-Man show me a single swinging scene where it even rivals the amazing Spider-Man or tobeys Spider-Man he even gets overshadowed by them in his own movie
I used to love tom holland's spider man but after i consumed more spider man media, I began to dislike this rendition of the character more and more as the years go by. Anyways great video just as always.
Avengers spider man is worser
*worse
100%
This whole video just sounds anti-fun.
@@kamarocho even though I praise certain parts of MCU Spidey?
@@TheGamingRift11 It's got points but a lot of it just doesn't seem like you want these grand films and not just movies. I think a lot of us accepted Tom Holland isn't the MCU's The Batman lol plus they have to innovate with Tom since we've had two Spidermen in the 21st century it'd get a little repetative if he was by-the-book
@@kamarocho I want good well written characters, something that the MCU provides with a lot of characters. Yet Spiderman didn’t get that treatment 🤷♂️
I honestly think Tom is the best Spider-Man
He’s the direct person that fits Spider-Man and Peter Parker and actually fits his personality for Peter Parker and Spider-Man
As an actor maybe as his character’s writing no
I’m not a fan of much spider-man either why does spider-man have to be in the Mcu WITH OTHER SUPERHEROES spider-man has his own set of villains