When politicians cease to be funded by the rich and powerful there will be a change. Take a look at the ways Just SAYING politeand orderly, respectful debating is nice but is not enough.Take a look at how other countries fund their elections. The way we do it is a gift to the advertising/television interests and to the thriving lobbying industry. You already knew that, right?
@@mountainfolks that’s a fucking lie. Police in Chicago had their budgets INCREASED in Chicago. And even an extra 200 mil in 2021 given to them recently(from 1.7 bil to 1.9 bil). Stop fucking lying
Do those who were asked to respond hear the answers of the other so-called debaters. We do need vigorous debate on this subject. We spend an inordinate amount of money on police forces and the results are often poor. The problems is that the police are asked to do just about everything. A man trained and armed and ready to respond to a dangerous ituation like a bank robbery in progress should not be asked to respond to a man or women acting strangely or a achild playing with a toy gun in a park. We need a separate organization to respond to traffic problems. Such people do not need guns, uniforms or training in the use of force. Police often act in an authoritarian manner or too hastily. Our drug laws are out of date. Many societies treat drug problems as a medical problem and not a problem of crime. We need a highly trained and intelligent group of men to investigate serious crimes such as the wholesale production and importation of drugs or of murders or fraud. I fear that many are attracted to a job in law enforcement by the gun, the uniform and the authority which they believe it gives them. A policeman is not a soldier but a citizen in uniform who should know that he must obey the law of the law as any citizen. Why must police chiefs oftren look like generals or be called captain. The slogan "Defund the police" is misleading and unfortunate.
Bravo. I'm yelling at my TV. Fox news really needs to stop fear bating and America needs to pull it's head out of it's butt. We love our police force, but you are absolutely correct and I bet some officers would agree with more training or better explanation of what it is that they are required to do. Our officers should not be labeled as Jack of All Trades (counsellor, mental health technician, traffic controller, eviction specialist, affidavit services, domestic negotiator, and so much more. Even if they are officers, there should be divisions within the police department.
I've never seen a debate where there is ONE person in agreement vs. FOUR people against. Also, TWO of the against people are ex-cops and one is from a Conservative think tank. This was terribly done and unfortunate for the watchers we need to learn more.
One should never apologize if they haven’t done anything wrong lest you grant the faulty premise in the first place. This was evergreens mistake among many. It was insane to watch as the protesters forced their way into his office and when the president wanted to go to the bathroom the protesters would not allow them and he surrendered. It’s about power.
@@bcshu2 Yep. Benjamin Boyces Docuseries is masterful and horrifically ominous. He says 'Well I have to go(haha???) Some bootlicker says something like 'shoulda thought about that earlier' coup de gras
Evergreen. Students force white people to feel what black people did when they were told they don't belong. White people lose their mind yet don't get the point.
Having the same cops on the same beat for along time so the children grow up trusting them, knowing them, being given a break from time to time. Love they neighbor as yourself.
Why do people still serve in justice departments despite the constant ridicule, harassment, and its dangers? It's because of the money. The careers have great financial benefits, security, and unionization. After 20-25 years service, retired members still are paid out 50-100 grand yearly pensions, and this includes retirement investments which are usually about 1-2 million after 20 or so years of service. This security cannot be found in most other careers. But the moment the nation defunds, it will just invite gang violence and chaos to reign in cities.
Do you people realize their would be no need for civil rights laws if america was not racist . Their would be zero need to defund the police if they behaved appropriately. It's not the citizens fault how the police choose to behave .if they were fair and professional their no need to consider defund them
What most people won't tell you here is that for the vast majority of human history, policing was private, is was not a state, public, labor union role. And it was done well. The private cops knew the neighborhoods. They knew the customer. It was only with the modern state and modern policing that the problem arose. The monopoly by the state, supported by labor unions, is a problem. They are not talking here about ending the state policing system. They are just debating what form the monopoly should take.
This man is out of his mind if you want to Defunding the Police department and than you are comfortable with Lawlessness Neighborhood or something liked you are insane or you don't care about safety of the people
So a school shooter walks into school with a gun how should that be handled and for pure semantics say that it was a former student who was bullied and harassed by their teachers and simply broke, then again how would you sort out the problem, If a person who was violating a woman who should be called to deal with that problem? Since I’m sure the criminals only wanted a conversation as for the parking violations and the like they have to have the power to stop someone and if needed arrest them, if say a car was stopped and it wasn’t a police officer how much respect (lack off) or authority will that person have and if there’s say drugs in the back of the car? Then what? Or say a person was drunk driving and nearly kills a child and a social worker rocks up, then what? They have no say nor authority to do anything until the actual police arrive and by then the suspect has already run off and killed a pedestrian? Now you have a chase which is extremely dangerous? Whilst I understand the view point of oh no I’m in trouble or it’s the ruddy police again then why do you need to waste a police officer in a useless position, again if say it’s illegal to double park and some idiot does it then a social worker without the ability to arrest lacks the power of the law and therefore criminals can simply ignore them.
When the people of the united states says de fund the police means stop paying police $100,000 to 365,000 a year to the police and other government employees and then say there is no money to help the mentally ill citizens of the country and other services to the public , there is something wrong with management of the government. not stop doing your job just to make YOUR point
To defund means to reduce an already over stretched workforce who lack the replacements needed for those who say retire or are unfortunately lost in the line of duty, whilst yes redirecting mismanaged funds should be looked at ie increases in training and social awareness ie how to handle a crowd and be more talkative whilst unnecessarily needed makes communication between the two seem more apparent for those on the side line ie those with cameras, also by defining the police you not only remove active officers but also inactive officers ie cyber security, crime scene investigators and even those in the courts who deal with evidence ie a woman was brutally raped, her arms were broken and so on, they catch the criminal responsible and was freed due to a lack of evidence also personally I think that officers should be equipped with head cameras since whilst body cameras do work they can be blacked by say the arms or obstacles at chest height and don’t reflect on what the officers are observing (this is my personal opinion). Also personally more interactions with local areas should be enforced and by that I mean events, concerts and other forms of entertainment allowing the community to feel more secure and have a deeper understanding of what officers go through plus it could be used as a charity event ie helping out the homeless or supporting a cancer patient or last wishes and so on. Lastly a secondary police force who’s job it is to ensure the ((purity)) of the police force in order to prevent discrimination or internal corruption where members are forbidden from interacting with local police officers and must be from a separate state, this is to ensure that the overseers aren’t connected to the police of a particular state or area and whilst this may be overkill as stated it’s in order to prevent say a chief of police or even court members from say taking bribes and what not, they will have to adhere to strict rules and regulations where punishment is tough and severe and with a clear set of guidelines in order to prevent ambiguity and miss understandings like i said before this is just my personal opinion
Defunding the police is NOT the way to end bad policing, if you look at police forces across the planet the ones that have issues with police either being corrupt or breaking the law themselves are underfunded and in particular under trained. The way to combat bad policing is increase police training and funding.
@@MetalDeathEnigma How will that be better? Cops answer to local government. Private security only answer to whoever pays them. You would be killing more black people with less consequences.
To the people arguing against DFT: you need to check your main premise. Crime over the past two decades has flat-lined meanwhile police funding has doubled. Checkmate. I do love data
If your idea is to invest a little more in social services and less in the police and you call that "Abolish the police" or "Defund the police" then that is just the stupidest framing anyone can think of. It's as if you don't want to convince people.
@@Armed-Forever Defund means take away ALL the funds not some, but that's usually not what people mean. Also, if you want more money for social services, just ask for that. That idea has got nothing to do with the police but combining the two issues from a left wing perspective is phrasing a new idea (more money for social services) and simultaneously giving your political opponent the perfect weapon to fight you on that idea (less money for the police). That is just stupid if you want to win people's hearts and minds.
@@Armed-ForeverYes it does, u need a dictionary. Defund is defined as “preventing from continuing receiving funds”, which means not letting them receive funds at all
You guys don't remember exactly how defunding the police came about? Are you serious? Your gonna debate this? You really do think Americans are stupid and have no memory!!! About an issue as important as providing local city and state security? I just read the title of your youtube post and I wanna throw up!!!
How is this even up for debate? the people that will suffer from this are not them but the ones that live in poverty. the police needs more money, more training! WE NEED TO ALSO TEACH OUR KIDS TO RESPECT POLICE OFFICERS.
Police budgets have had a steady increase in their budgets every time there’s a massive protest against police violence. What are they doing with thee extra funds to which they are killing and abusing people daily? It’s simply not a training issue it’s what they’re designed to do.
Wow, Defund the police🤦♂️🤦♂️ Couldn't be any dumber. I'll just leave this here; 664 hours of training for police officer 1,800 hours for training for a barber. We want to give less to the police 🤦♂️🤔🤔??
So what?! Do we need to triple police budgets to allow for as much training as a barber? Defund the Police is addressing the fact that police are not the best solution for homelessness, mental health crises, poverty, and many of the ills facing communities. More and more cops won't solve the problem. Defund the Police is about divesting money from policing AND investing that money into schools, healthcare, housing, community programs, etc. (things that can build financial, mental, physical, and social stability). If people have what they need to thrive in life and aren't in a constant state of precarity, crime will go down.
Boy, it sure would be nice if our politicians could debate in such a respectful, informed and orderly manner.
When politicians cease to be funded by the rich and powerful there will be a change. Take a look at the ways Just SAYING politeand orderly, respectful debating is nice but is not enough.Take a look at how other countries fund their elections. The way we do it is a gift to the advertising/television interests and to the thriving lobbying industry. You already knew that, right?
So true. It would be a miracle if they could
I'm black and guess what people-- ALL LIVES MATTER, not just black lives!!!
Hahaha I'm a cat and dogs are awesome.
@Blue Daemon's Steamed Potato spoon.
Agreed
@Blue Daemon's Steamed Potato
Truth hurts, don't it?
another white person pretending to be black lol
One year after police was defunded in several cities, the crime rates have skyrocketed. Who would have thought?
They weren’t defunded
@@wak4694 Over 20 major cities defunded police including Chicago and NYC and Minn.
Bullshit
Good glad they got defunded
@@mountainfolks that’s a fucking lie. Police in Chicago had their budgets INCREASED in Chicago. And even an extra 200 mil in 2021 given to them recently(from 1.7 bil to 1.9 bil). Stop fucking lying
Everybody wants to defund the police until a naked guy with a samurai sword charges at you on the sidewalk
🤣🤣🤣
not as if cops will be there anyway, by the time cops arrive you'll be naked and dead lol
If they legalize drugs more then half of the crime will end 💯%
Do those who were asked to respond hear the answers of the other so-called debaters. We do need vigorous debate on this subject. We spend an inordinate amount of money on police forces and the results are often poor. The problems is that the police are asked to do just about everything. A man trained and armed and ready to respond to a dangerous ituation like a bank robbery in progress should not be asked to respond to a man or women acting strangely or a achild playing with a toy gun in a park. We need a separate organization to respond to traffic problems. Such people do not need guns, uniforms or training in the use of force. Police often act in an authoritarian manner or too hastily. Our drug laws are out of date. Many societies treat drug problems as a medical problem and not a problem of crime. We need a highly trained and intelligent group of men to investigate serious crimes such as the wholesale production and importation of drugs or of murders or fraud. I fear that many are attracted to a job in law enforcement by the gun, the uniform and the authority which they believe it gives them. A policeman is not a soldier but a citizen in uniform who should know that he must obey the law of the law as any citizen. Why must police chiefs oftren look like generals or be called captain. The slogan "Defund the police" is misleading and unfortunate.
Bravo. I'm yelling at my TV.
Fox news really needs to stop fear bating and America needs to pull it's head out of it's butt. We love our police force, but you are absolutely correct and I bet some officers would agree with more training or better explanation of what it is that they are required to do. Our officers should not be labeled as Jack of All Trades (counsellor, mental health technician, traffic controller, eviction specialist, affidavit services, domestic negotiator, and so much more.
Even if they are officers, there should be divisions within the police department.
How stupid.
@@mountainfolks ?
I've never seen a debate where there is ONE person in agreement vs. FOUR people against. Also, TWO of the against people are ex-cops and one is from a Conservative think tank.
This was terribly done and unfortunate for the watchers we need to learn more.
Anyone know what happened at Evergreen in 2017? This is it writ large. The head of the University told the cops to stand down. It got worse.
One should never apologize if they haven’t done anything wrong lest you grant the faulty premise in the first place.
This was evergreens mistake among many.
It was insane to watch as the protesters forced their way into his office and when the president wanted to go to the bathroom the protesters would not allow them and he surrendered.
It’s about power.
@@bcshu2 Yep. Benjamin Boyces Docuseries is masterful and horrifically ominous. He says 'Well I have to go(haha???) Some bootlicker says something like 'shoulda thought about that earlier' coup de gras
Evergreen. Students force white people to feel what black people did when they were told they don't belong. White people lose their mind yet don't get the point.
Having the same cops on the same beat for along time so the children grow up trusting them, knowing them, being given a break from time to time. Love they neighbor as yourself.
❤
Thank you for what you have just said.
Why do people still serve in justice departments despite the constant ridicule, harassment, and its dangers? It's because of the money. The careers have great financial benefits, security, and unionization. After 20-25 years service, retired members still are paid out 50-100 grand yearly pensions, and this includes retirement investments which are usually about 1-2 million after 20 or so years of service. This security cannot be found in most other careers. But the moment the nation defunds, it will just invite gang violence and chaos to reign in cities.
I'm a black American and EACH LIFE MATTERS!
Hahahaha I'm a cat and dogs are awesome.
It’s a silly slogan. Fix, improve, add mental health services, reform, but defund? Get serious.
Why is this even being debated we should not defund the police
Do you people realize their would be no need for civil rights laws if america was not racist .
Their would be zero need to defund the police if they behaved appropriately. It's not the citizens fault how the police choose to behave .if they were fair and professional their no need to consider defund them
What most people won't tell you here is that for the vast majority of human history, policing was private, is was not a state, public, labor union role. And it was done well. The private cops knew the neighborhoods. They knew the customer. It was only with the modern state and modern policing that the problem arose. The monopoly by the state, supported by labor unions, is a problem. They are not talking here about ending the state policing system. They are just debating what form the monopoly should take.
Don't defund the police
This man is out of his mind if you want to Defunding the Police department and than you are comfortable with Lawlessness Neighborhood or something liked you are insane or you don't care about safety of the people
So a school shooter walks into school with a gun how should that be handled and for pure semantics say that it was a former student who was bullied and harassed by their teachers and simply broke, then again how would you sort out the problem,
If a person who was violating a woman who should be called to deal with that problem? Since I’m sure the criminals only wanted a conversation as for the parking violations and the like they have to have the power to stop someone and if needed arrest them, if say a car was stopped and it wasn’t a police officer how much respect (lack off) or authority will that person have and if there’s say drugs in the back of the car? Then what? Or say a person was drunk driving and nearly kills a child and a social worker rocks up, then what? They have no say nor authority to do anything until the actual police arrive and by then the suspect has already run off and killed a pedestrian? Now you have a chase which is extremely dangerous? Whilst I understand the view point of oh no I’m in trouble or it’s the ruddy police again then why do you need to waste a police officer in a useless position, again if say it’s illegal to double park and some idiot does it then a social worker without the ability to arrest lacks the power of the law and therefore criminals can simply ignore them.
When the people of the united states says de fund the police means stop
paying police $100,000 to 365,000 a year to the police and other
government employees and then say there is no money to help the
mentally ill citizens of the country and other services to the public ,
there is something wrong with management of the government. not stop doing
your job just to make YOUR point
To defund means to reduce an already over stretched workforce who lack the replacements needed for those who say retire or are unfortunately lost in the line of duty, whilst yes redirecting mismanaged funds should be looked at ie increases in training and social awareness ie how to handle a crowd and be more talkative whilst unnecessarily needed makes communication between the two seem more apparent for those on the side line ie those with cameras, also by defining the police you not only remove active officers but also inactive officers ie cyber security, crime scene investigators and even those in the courts who deal with evidence ie a woman was brutally raped, her arms were broken and so on, they catch the criminal responsible and was freed due to a lack of evidence also personally I think that officers should be equipped with head cameras since whilst body cameras do work they can be blacked by say the arms or obstacles at chest height and don’t reflect on what the officers are observing (this is my personal opinion). Also personally more interactions with local areas should be enforced and by that I mean events, concerts and other forms of entertainment allowing the community to feel more secure and have a deeper understanding of what officers go through plus it could be used as a charity event ie helping out the homeless or supporting a cancer patient or last wishes and so on. Lastly a secondary police force who’s job it is to ensure the ((purity)) of the police force in order to prevent discrimination or internal corruption where members are forbidden from interacting with local police officers and must be from a separate state, this is to ensure that the overseers aren’t connected to the police of a particular state or area and whilst this may be overkill as stated it’s in order to prevent say a chief of police or even court members from say taking bribes and what not, they will have to adhere to strict rules and regulations where punishment is tough and severe and with a clear set of guidelines in order to prevent ambiguity and miss understandings like i said before this is just my personal opinion
Defunding the police is NOT the way to end bad policing, if you look at police forces across the planet the ones that have issues with police either being corrupt or breaking the law themselves are underfunded and in particular under trained.
The way to combat bad policing is increase police training and funding.
yes because more money will work that hasn't been tried ? oh wait it has
I’ll vote for defunding the police in inner cities- please do immediately
Defund is a terrible slogan...
Look at Seattle
make them PROOVE there value$$$ WORK like we all have to.
We should rely on private security companies who we can actually hold accountable to protect us like they have in South Africa
So if that's the case then only the rich would be able to afford security.
Feudalism is dead stop trying to revive it under the guise of "libertarianism"
@@poliscileahguzman6084 Still better than the entire country being preyed upon by dirty cops.
@@MetalDeathEnigma How will that be better? Cops answer to local government. Private security only answer to whoever pays them. You would be killing more black people with less consequences.
@@poliscileahguzman6084 you're hallucinating an alternate reality where cops don't enforce tyranny. George floyd wasn't killed by a security guard.
To the people arguing against DFT: you need to check your main premise. Crime over the past two decades has flat-lined meanwhile police funding has doubled. Checkmate. I do love data
Crime rates haven't flat lined. They've gone down. I like data too lol
@@matthewbrosnan3693 which is the irony, we are told crime is high now due to wokeness, but crime was higher b4 wokeness in the 90s lol
It’s akin to saying why not have free healthcare
Four said no. This is a fucking jokeeeeeeeeee
If your idea is to invest a little more in social services and less in the police and you call that "Abolish the police" or "Defund the police" then that is just the stupidest framing anyone can think of. It's as if you don't want to convince people.
that's the definition of defund p
@@Armed-Forever Defund means take away ALL the funds not some, but that's usually not what people mean. Also, if you want more money for social services, just ask for that. That idea has got nothing to do with the police but combining the two issues from a left wing perspective is phrasing a new idea (more money for social services) and simultaneously giving your political opponent the perfect weapon to fight you on that idea (less money for the police). That is just stupid if you want to win people's hearts and minds.
@@felixmidas2020 no it doesn't lol where can i send you a dictionary ?
@@Armed-ForeverYes it does, u need a dictionary. Defund is defined as “preventing from continuing receiving funds”, which means not letting them receive funds at all
@@Adventurer-te8fl try oxford dictionary genius
You guys don't remember exactly how defunding the police came about? Are you serious? Your gonna debate this? You really do think Americans are stupid and have no memory!!! About an issue as important as providing local city and state security? I just read the title of your youtube post and I wanna throw up!!!
You guys are ridiculous
Police is a non issue. Debate me bro.
Absolfucktely yes by at least 85%-90% most of them don't do any good
Before defunding/reforming the police, what about the society reforming their attitude towards the law of the lands.
WHAT!!! LMAO!!!
How is this even up for debate? the people that will suffer from this are not them but the ones that live in poverty. the police needs more money, more training! WE NEED TO ALSO TEACH OUR KIDS TO RESPECT POLICE OFFICERS.
Police budgets have had a steady increase in their budgets every time there’s a massive protest against police violence. What are they doing with thee extra funds to which they are killing and abusing people daily? It’s simply not a training issue it’s what they’re designed to do.
Wow, Defund the police🤦♂️🤦♂️ Couldn't be any dumber. I'll just leave this here;
664 hours of training for police officer
1,800 hours for training for a barber.
We want to give less to the police 🤦♂️🤔🤔??
Right? It all comes down to lack of sufficient training. It's insane to me that people cannot see this.
So what?! Do we need to triple police budgets to allow for as much training as a barber? Defund the Police is addressing the fact that police are not the best solution for homelessness, mental health crises, poverty, and many of the ills facing communities. More and more cops won't solve the problem. Defund the Police is about divesting money from policing AND investing that money into schools, healthcare, housing, community programs, etc. (things that can build financial, mental, physical, and social stability). If people have what they need to thrive in life and aren't in a constant state of precarity, crime will go down.
@@rickysandwich this is too complicated for them to grasp.
2:15 Of course this guy is going to be a NO his job depends on the police look at his job title
If you want to defund police then you're an idiot. You have never lived in a high crime area. You people are clueless.
@@basquegrand8982 they are beyond idiots. Skewered reactionary snowflake madness.
You'd be wasting your time explaining the intricacies.
I say yes because they aren't doing a good job any way