Leeds United movie archive - Don Revie & Brian Clough Television Studio Clash 1974
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- September 1974 Don Revie & Brian Clough meet face to face in the Yorkshire T.V.Studios on the day Clough is sacked by Leeds United after 44 Days
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The damned United brought me here...
Brilliant stuff!!
me too, just watched it.
One of the best films.
Fucking brilliant performance
Great film indeed. I think it misrepresents this interview though. The film version is a lot nastier and more confrontational. In the real interview, Clough and Revie at least showed each other quite a lot of respect.
Same watched it last night
Credit to them both for having a honest chat. Mangers these days wouldn’t speak so freely.
That's because coaches these days have mostly all been media trained... but at the height of their rivalry i would have loved to see Guardiola & Mourinho having a chat.
It's because there not manager's any more there head coaches.
You would NEVER see two managers getting together debating like this in modern day football. utterly classic !!
You mean like Wenger and Ferguson did???
@@jamesbarry9477 What, after they retired??
Clough and Revie were doing this still managing, James.
@@ralphcifaretto1 Yes they did it in 2012
I wouldn't say Cloughie was the greatest manager in the game, but he was in the top 1 !!
Clive Bindley Just quoting a famous Brian Clough quote, that’s all!🙄
Clive Bindley I take it you’re not a fan🤔!
Its always better when if you can to take their no please I won't. You can tho'. Take it like that, one eye is better than 2. Ask any old trout. Mourinot 2020!!!! You very like pisshead? No!
@@CB-xr1eg but he did win everything
Took a bung
Amazing that they both lived in the same council estate in Middlesbrough.
They didn't.
Clough lived on Valley Road and Revie lived near Ayresome Park..
Clough was from the Grove Hill estate in Boro, Revie was from the Ayresome estate near the old Boro ground Ayresome park. About a 10 minute walk from each other.
Did they ever cross paths in their younger years before football and fame?
"Well I can only lose 3." and he did in 1977-78 then won two european cups. Cloughie the legend!
People talking about Mourinho being the special one. No mates, we are looking at the original Special One. Brian Clough. I am a fan of Jose, but in Cloughie would eat him alive in mind games. What a legend.
WhatisallaboutAlfie Agreed Cloughie was a legend and yes he would have Jose for breakfast.
+WhatisallaboutAlfie he's a clown in this video, Revie comes off so much better
but who won the champion league with no budget and he won it 2 year in a row wht did revie do after winning the league
Andrew Wright, I think you mean "What did Don Revie do after winning the league for the third time?" Third. Clough never won a third championship. And there was no Champions League in his day, either. It was the European Cup, where the actual champions played for the silverware, not the teams finishing in the top four.
Raphael Merriman Clough had ok players but Leeds had world class players Clough won the European cup 2 times in a row with a ok squad noone will ever do that again
Clough had won zero European Cups in '74. Neither of them had. Guy went on to win TWO. Clough had BALLS.
And Leeds never did.
@@stephenreeds3632 They should have won the 1975 European Cup but they got robbed
@@purpledragons1146 I should have a balls but I don’t
In the movie they have portrayed Clough as an insecure man and full of spite.
In this interview he is so confident with full belief in himself.
Watched it last night.
I believe they showed him in private. With his losses at the time, it was logical for him to be that insecure in private.
But in public, oh, in public. A man who had the vote of confidence from the only man who he needed it from. Himself.
'Good lad' 😂
'"good lad" indeed , class! "for missing the target from there you want bloody shooting" .
Hands down this is my favourite football discussion ever. Not just this bit but the entire interview. It is refreshingly honest and the two managers are being totally themselves. There are no sound bites, pr exercises, media savvy posturing, just two football managers doing their best to be civil and have it out with each other. Like Clough Revie too was a total legend, but Clough was a brilliant orator and he got his points across in the most entertaining way. Best of all these two managers were both being themselves.
I have watched this interview dozens of times over the years and it always captivates me and brings me back in time to another era and a more 'innocent' way of football. Although football was much rougher back then, and tackling could be downright evil, there was an honesty and innocence about the game before it became over commercialised and all the money and PR firms stepped in.
Honesty? With bungs, attempted bribery etc. No, not honest at all.
Same here 😂😂😂😂😂… two ego’s that achieved meeting in the middle. Classic…
@@stephenreeds3632 the fact that you think that does’nt still happen now is 😂😂😂😂. We just had a winter world cup in a country that stones people to death and another one with crazy dictator that kills journalist. The FA is run by the same grey old white men just like it used to be so I’m not sure what it is you think has changed other than the presentation
Sport is and will always be a little shady given the amount of money that it generates.
Notwithstanding his achievements, you always felt there was something psychotic about Cloughie. Could you imagine Klopp chopping up Guardiola's desk?
@@ralphlangstaff727That incident was fictitious.
Love how clough is constantly trying to make eye contact while Don looks away
Says everything about the two men
I think Don had already been so wound up by Clough by this point that he couldn't even bear to look at him. 😂
Brian was such a personality no matter if you agree with him or not. He’s such a personality, you can’t help but to pay attention to whatever he says, wether you agree or not. Hated, adored but never ignored.
RIP Brian (1935-2004) and Don (1927-1987)
One of the most fascinating interviews I have ever seen, and ever will be!!!
''It wasn't 100% right the discipline''
''No, no, you were the top''
LOL always gets me.
Somewhere up in Heaven these two will still be arguing haha
In heaven? 🤣
@@MM-jf7yn ???????
lol
I'm a Leeds fan but got so much time for Brian Clough. Wonderful manager
"Also Don, the disciplinary chart. You topped that" Classic mid speech knock down!
To be fair, you have to have respect for Revie here, his answers are succinct and respectful. I get the feeling that if these two had spent more time with each other they could have been good friends. Two great managers.
But revie sold English football out, clough never did.
@@paulthrutner9114 how?
Revie impressed me here more than Clough. Clough looks like a bit of a loose cannon and Review more like a statesman. Having said that - 2 European cups speaks for itself.
@@marvaff6878Scarpering during a WC qualifying campaign after plotting a move to the UAE for big money. (Ron Greenwod almost got England through. Revie spent the rest of his career in the Mideast before succumbing to motor neurone disease.)
I agree. They really have respect for each other.
Both from Middlesbrough, who never managed Middlesbrough FC. Boro would've probably won something under them two.
I doubt it , they will never win fuck all
@@martinworld7214 carling Cup counts. We've won that 😂
Jack Ford I’ll give you that I guess :)
Revie was a legend at Leeds, and Clough was just a legend. i refuse to take sides!
Leeds' culture for being dirty winners continued right up the early 2000s, then they were just dirty losers, now you're lucky if anyone remembers they were dirty. Damned Utd? They're the Forgotten Utd now.
Legendary masseur
Same, but it's unfair that Revie is painted as a villain and a failure with England which I don't think he was.
@@r4h4al He won a couple of leagues, an FA cup and a league cup with a massive football club. Clough won two European cups, two leagues and four league cups across spells at two middle of the road sides. There's no comparison.
@@BerghemDeSura There is a comparison and Revie was better.
Fantastic debate between 2 of the greatest men of English football. Don Revie's Leeds United produced so much of the best post-war football. Arrogance/belligerence/class!!!
Humped by Celtic! Jock Stein.
Despite this, in the end, Clough's managerial record eclipses Revie's.
Think of the hours spent summarising PL games. 5 minutes from 45 years ago yet more honest and insightful.
This is when off the pitch football entertainment started, just a pity there aren't any Brian Cloughs around anymore, he didn't beat around the bush,at least he told it as it was. Don Revie had finished in football before I started following football, so I don't know to much about him, but reading on Wiki he died from Motor Neurone disease which is a horrible way to go,I had a friend die from it a few years back. RIP to Brian and Don.
Revue was a v strange man. His attitude to football was v attritional. The Leeds side that he built had a horrible way of playing because Revie built a fortress mentality with no reason to. That's where the hatred for them came from not because they were that successful. Because compared to Liverpool they simply weren't. They stained football.
Just two Middlesbrough lads having a good old chinwag.
Cloughie was such an interesting man. So articulate and a complete footballing mastermind. Sheen’s performance in The Damned United was absolutely incredible. Uncanny. Possibly the greatest performance in any biopic film, ever.
Bit of a stretch..
but wasnt an accurate story
Tom Mulchinock agreed. They certainly added some drama.
100%
@@paulneilguru3599 what is, your mother?
Brian Clough politely listens to Revie's attack, then blows him away at 1:15.
Brian Clough was a genius.
The most immersive and spectacular conversations I’ve ever listened to. Just fantastic.
When two worlds collide. The irresistible force meets the immovable object.
clough was never boring.always interesting listening to him
“Good lad”!!!
Good interviewer as well. Lineker would need it all typed out for him on the autocue.
Just saying, Clough was introduced in English football hall of fame 2 years before Don Revie
They were both Middlesbrough born and bred as well. Don Revie grew up only a few streets away from Brian.
Clough = legend. Revie = legend. Nuff said.
Revie = Bent and corrupt
It was Bob Stokoe who was bent and corrupt
The Damned United was a fantastic film, portraying what happened between these two great managers 😊
Great film. Michael Sheen and Colm Meaney were awesome the way they played their respective managers
@@rajnirvan3336 they were 😊 they were very similar 😊
oh they are both legends, amazing, amazing men, love them both to bits
I don't really follow football but I do like film and yes, the Damned United brought me here
bloody hell this is great
Two great outspoken characters. I've never liked Leeds, but did admire them ( there is a difference). Can you imagine any of the 'top' managers appearing a similar interview situation today?!
Damn, Colm Meaney is this guy's twin.
So we’ll cast
What Cloughie achieved at Forest is the greatest ever football story ever, Greatest !!
Revie and Clough two of englands finest. Both from Middlesbrough!
And who's the most remembered manager out of these two now? Old Big Head.
Clough would've sorted out the FA and the England team at the same time and gone on to lift the World Cup.
Well said.
But he wouldn't, his big mouth would have upset the FA hierarchy and opposing international managers. He didn't deserve the England job.
@@CB-xr1eg I think he deserved a chance. But I don't go along with this steadfast belief of some that he'd definitely have done something big with England. Plenty of other successful club managers have tried and failed.
That look that revie gives clough when he says "I didn't know them intimately" .
Big Don forever topping charts
Two legendary managers in their own way. No lets have a modern interview involving Mourniho and Wenger
Raj Nirvan I hate to say it but Wenger would eat Jose alive. Jose was all mouth and like Cloughie backed up what he said but Wenger was quiet, patient and watched everything going on, taking everything in and he would wait to take his shots at the right time. Cloughie vs Wenger would’ve been interesting though, that would’ve been a proper battle of words. Like Revie though, Wenger is a legend at one club. Cloughies just a legend
Jose always had the more expensive squad while robbing Wengers signings by inflation.
Jose had a billion air buying the world with the full market under his whim, if he didn't win anything he would have been a failure, look at him now with the financial gap vanishing, he can't buy out the league any more, Man City can do that while playing real football.
@@Bennett2142 Jose won the Champions League with Porto. Wenger never won it.
“Well I could only lose 3” 😂👌🏻
What Clough didn't know, and what Revie clearly forgot, was that when Leeds won the league for the first time, 68/69 they only lost twice!
"Theres only one Don Revie!"
But to reiterate what the previos poster said, yes, it would be a grand ol day to see Ferguson and Benitez go at it like this.
We can get that Special 1 puppet to host.
"Be champions."
I was surprised watching this. Don Revie won this argument, hands-down. I'd heard about this little fight and I assumed Clough ripped Revie a new one, but he didn't. Interesting.
Clough and Taylor were a genius combo at taking players who'd won nothing, and moulding them into winners brimming with self-belief. Totally the opposite of what was required when he tried to take over at Leeds.
Because the the Leeds players were already winners and brimming with self belief. They were League Champions and had been the best team in England for nearly 10 years. But he slagged them all off to their faces. No wonder they got him the sack.
If you watch closely you will notice that Don Revie seems intimidated by Clough and rarely looks him in the eye. I am not taking any sides, but from what I can see we have two VERY different managers with completely different values and approaches. Great footage, thanks for putting it up.
Very powerful dialog!
There can be no doubt that Clough did respect Revie.
Both absolute legends.
yes - that is obvious from this interview. Clough is all over Revie - hanging on every word.
Clough was doomed from the start only chance was if he had managed to bring Taylor with him.
Taylor knew better than to go Leeds. Clough was doomed the minute he walked into the club.
Watching the move now on TV. These performances are amazing.
Don Revie was a great manager.
The way the team played is another way to play football. You can play all the fancy football you want but nothing intimidated the opponents as much as good physical football.
Leeds were a physically daunting side but also played intelligent football when you look at the standards of footballing at the time
agree.. they were a truly great side.
Also Don, the disciplinary chart. You topped that. - completely knocked him off his stride and the interview changed course. Owned!
Don Revie left the England job a week before Gary Sprakes article about him bribing opposing players to throw games
Two managers no longer with us.
One played the game how it should be played and achieved legendary status.
The other.... Don Revie
One rebuilt a team and kept them at the top for 10 years.
The other...Big Mouth Clough.
Clive Bindley
Yes...top of the disciplinary charts 😉
You probably don't know what the disciplinary charts are, you heard Clough say it in this discussion and you're parrotting it.
Two legends from the mighty boro
Clive Bindley
Leeds could play great skilful football at times, but they had a cynical dirty side to them. Fact.
He also thought the lure of a bag of gold from the UAE was more appealing than managing his own national team.
Two reasons, in my opinion, that Don Revie will never classed as a true legend of the game....except perhaps among the Leeds faithful.
Clough was one of a kind. You have to respect his brutal honesty. Players these days are taught how to speak to media these days. There is no point in listening to it because They're basically bullshitting. Apart from Souness, Merson and Roy Keane
Don't know much about English football in the 70s but this is top notch viewing. A shame TV stations can't run interviews and conversations like this now. These days football commentators and interviewers think they are as important as the players and managers. Most interviews are either about scoring a 'gotcha', luring out a controversial statement or creating a headline. The best interviewers know when to shut up and let their subjects speak, as this bloke did.
Don Revie died of Motor Neurone Disease, which is called ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis) or Lou Gehrig's Disease in North America. I remember being at the game where he was wheeled out - I was there to watch Leeds v Barnsley -on a wheelchair, just before he died. He looked so thin an pale, compared to his late Leeds/England days.
If you could combine these two greats into one manager you would have the greatest manager ever ....... Or Gollum.
You already have the best manager ever in the video. He's the one in the grey suit.
And I have no connection with any of his clubs.
When Revie's Leeds side were good they were bloody fantastic, and at the risk of getting lynched at the Shed End....they were one of the greatest club sides England has ever produced......but in fairness Cloughie didn't do too bad with Derby and Forest either.
@OutlawdPipes - Fool - Revie had done it all before this interview - he'd been the Manager of the most successful club side in Britain for the last 10 years
I think jock stein's Celtic team had been Britain's best team over the previous decade.
Two great managers, but it's ironic from this interview that by 1978 Revie was in disgrace and Clough won the championship with only 3 defeats, and then went on to win the European Cup.
In Revie's defence though he did win the championship in 1969 with only 2 defeats. Like I said, two great managers.
so similar in the damned united!
Seriously? The interview in the film does a massive disservice to the real thing!
Both these guys are the cream of football management.
@Evemeister12
Because Cloughie spoke his mind, and wouldn't be a 'yes man' for anyone.
Revie said yes to anyone, hence his swift departure from the role of England Manager
Clough came into an ageing squad all due testimonials in an age when players didn't earn much and needed the money from it. He couldn't change the team and the players rounded on him to save their Leeds careers. It took the club 20 years to recover, if they'd have given him time they would have ruled Europe like Liverpool did.
Brian Clough was upcoming young, brash and charismatic manager....he took all comers....!!! Really refreshing at that time...!!!
@DankoMcDougall - Search for the upload of Leeds V Southampton in 1972 if you want to see total Football -
Agreed - the most ruthless but almost the most beautiful execution job ever.
@mofi500 Revie's leeds still hold the record for the most points in a season under the 2 points for a win system when they only lost 2 games all season.
I like Brian Clough but his move to Leeds was the heart ruling the head...A mistake that would never have worked. A personal aim for the wrong reasons but he was offered it so I understand A very Important football interview I can appreciate now because I was 10 when it first aired
amazing blast from the past
Great stuff..Actually quite comical in places..Especially when they start agreeing and putting in the 'good lad' comments..What a hoot!!
Interviewer desperately trying to start an argument - it's like the "War" sketch from the satirical show "The Day Today"
Add 2 jolly large egos.
This reminds me, how great is damned United, definitely best movie about football
Is it fuck! It's full of twisted facts and lies. A fictional film at best.
Clough to lower smaller teams to the highest biggest prizes in football, very special together. Clough/Taylor are unique no others can or have had the ability to go to any club and make them Champions within a couple of years. If England had them they would of won World cup with them, it would of been Clough/Taylor picking the team from clubs who they wanted, then making the team winners. They only had a small budget at Derby and Forest but they did it, if they had so much choice as England managers they would of produced the greatest England team ever seen. Forest Euro Champions 2 years in a row, from nowhere they were best in europe for 2 years. England would of been best in the world at least once maybe twice with them.
England have since since 1966 been total losers, the biggest travesty in English football history is not giving the job to Clough, he was then and no one ever since the only man who may have done something, the reason he never gotthe job, England like nice "yes" men, and not sure of your age, but in the disasterous world cup of 1970, when asked what he'd do, he said I'd drop 11 players and start again, he was too radical for English football, but by god he would have changed things
England would of won the world cup perhaps twice in a row with the very very special legends that are Clough and Taylor. The two of them would win the world cup with the inexperienced and rather shit looking squad we got for 2014 World cup. Nothing has touched the brilliance of Clough and Taylor but the FA never wanted them but they did want Keegan, Hoddle and McLaren who just scream failure at worst mediocre at best. FA is still a bunch of motherfucking old school board types from the 1960's they should let the Manager who is the best be England's Manager not middle of the road quarter final sorts like we have had. Massive respect to Bobby Robson he offered to let clough step in but FA said no way. Sir Bobby was worth calling a good manager for 1990 Italy.
InTheArchivesAgain Couldn't agree more, and I don't even like the Land of Eng. The problem continues to this day in player development as well now. Can't wait to see the English melt in the Amazon in the World Cup Finals. Hopeless really.
Johnny Canucklehead Feelings mutual
***** You don't like your own nation? Well, get on a plane and head to China, Korea or Japan--go make some dough and pay low taxes. With the Interwebs, you can still follow your teams easily live or archived. Beats being depressed in the gray of the Land of Eng.
They’re both dead so life moves on. Football has changed out of all recognition.
I couldnt have said it better, spot on!!!!
I love his honesty
Interesting interview and gives you insight into the two men. They were destined to clash as their personalities and Managing styles were Polar opposites. Revie was a pragamatic, tactical man while Clough was a man Manager that could get the best out of each player by figuring out what personally drove them and fired up emotions. Would've been Great if the two could have worked together....
Impossible. Revie was too insecure.
Brian Clough> Don Revie
Wade Barrett You got to be kidding. Who do you support? Don Revie > Brian Clough.
Brian Clough's mouth > The Mersey Tunnel. #alaw
@@georgemacpherson1992 how many European cups did revie win
George Macpherson Don Revie was just an arrogant prick like everyone at your arrogant club
Speaking for the Yanks: America votes:
CLOUGHIE
Fair point about the circumstances.
@MySilverr A good point - although the same could be said had Leeds appointed Johnny Giles and kept the continuity within the club - In 1974 there was no bigger club in the British game than Leeds -The best young players in the land would have jumped to have joined them - it's not unconcievable to say that the likes of Dalglish & Souness could have been tempted to Leeds in this era instead of Liverpool - considering the Leeds Scotish connections - had there been more stability in the club
Celtic were a better side than Leeds, We beat them easily in 2 games in the European cup,
When? Do you have dates please.
Stuart Clark april 1970. 2-1 and 1-0 to Celtic.
Rangers also beat Leeds in both legs the last time Leeds were English champions.
Only because Leeds were in the middle of a fixture pile up ( due to their own success ) and they were knackered. A fresh Leeds team would have seen a different result. You Celtic fans must dine out on that story. Shows how big Leeds were at that time. that you still gloat about beating them. Enjoy your 3 team pisspot league!
@@CB-xr1eg bang on the money
One thing I noticed between the two, Both did respect each other and you can see that, Both referred to players as "our players" Revie didn't need to do that.
That's why we all love Brian Clough! You have one life, so just say what you need to say son.Good luck!
Never mind the revisionist crap. Two great football men at opposite ends of the spectrum. Flawed geniuses but genius all the same!
What Bob Stokoe said about Revie puts Revie in a whole new light
Stokoe's acusation went back to 1964 so why did he wait till 1973 to go public with it? Why not report it straight away? Because it was lies and he was jumping on the Leeds hating bandwagon, that's why.
They were both great managers and I for one miss their great contribution to British Football.
I was lucky to watch the sides they built and the names just trip of the tongue, Bremmer, Giles, Clark, Hunter, Charlton, Jones, Lorimer. O'Hare, Lee, Burns, Francis et al
Clough shot himself in the foot at Leeds and lost the dressing room before he ever stepped in Elland Road. BTW I am a Arsenal Fan and I have since worked in Pro football!
Brian Clough was better than don revie
I agree but both excellent managers.
Brilliant battle, remember colugh won f*** all with Leeds, whereas Revie the league 2 or 3 times and a cuple of cups, and he was a young manager, 33 when he started so what a great acheivement
The God that is and always will be Mr Don Revie.....articulate, passionate and still loving his Leeds United......Cloughie had no idea what he was taking on,no matter how much whisky he drank.....he came, he tried, he failed.....Derby an Forest fans can harp on about what he did for them, and , fair enough, the drunk did well.....but when at a big team, old big head couldn't handle it.......Keep dreaming Forest and Derby.....were Leeds United.... always in our shadow!!! M.O.T
Clough ought to have told Revie to piss off. Who is Revie to ask these sorts of questions of Clough? He was out of Leeds by then! It was a shithouse trick by Yorkshire Television to pull this stunt off in the first place.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
86compgeek Thank you for your comment. Have you any arguments to back up your comment?
+neil craig A bit of a dirty trick, maybe, but a very interesting result, with the animosity, Revie arrogance v Clough's ego. This interview was at Revie's high point and Clough's low.Clough proved his point by winning the league better and also winning the European Cup. Revie must have been shocked. Taylor should get more credit, though, for his part in Clough's achievements.
neil craig I don’t think either of these great men said or did anything wrong. I’m a Leeds supporter and I think Brian could have done even more than he actually did if he’d stayed at Leeds, empire building stuff.
neil craig at the time of this interview revie was more successful
history in the making, beautiful
They don't make them like Cloughy anymore. Mores the pity. What the hell he would make of all the obscene amount of money swilling around the Premiership and dominance of television and " business models " etc etc. Goodness knows.
Clough took quite a few bungs over the years. He had retired by the time it all became public knowledge, it was what got George Graham sacked from the Arsenal job.
Clough started it, Trevor Francis 1M remember?