1975: CLOUGH and McMENEMY vs Football Writers on NORTH EAST FOOTBALL | Classic Sport | BBC Archive
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- England's two biggest North East clubs - Newcastle United and Sunderland - haven't won a First Division league title between them since 1936, and over the last 20 years haven't even been close to competing for it, rather they've been yo-yoing between the First and Third divisions, winning a cup competition on vanishingly rare occasions.
The North East was historically considered by many to be the "hotbed of football", a tag that persists in some quarters, in spite of a paucity of success on the pitch.
George House is joined by two of English football's most highly-regarded managers, Brian Clough and Lawrie McMenemy - who both hail from the region - and North East football writers John Gibson (Newcastle Evening Chronicle) and Doug Weatherall (Daily Mail), to debate the eternal question; what's wrong with football in the North East?
This clip is from The Northern Myth, originally broadcast on BBC One (North East), Friday 3 October, 1975.
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Could you imagine them trying to make a show like this these days? All you would get is Alex Scott constantly interrupting talking crap and Micah Richards being obnoxiously loud and laughing every 2 minutes.
Intelligent, considerate, knowledgeable, not sensationalist and a pure joy to watch.
What a gem - lovely to see four Englishmen debating in a gentlemanly fashion - how I miss the 70's!
This is just fabulous. We know how great Brian Clough was but Lawrie McMenemy is fabulous here. Brilliant debate.
Love the way Brian said nothing, let the journo talk then took them apart with a couple of sentences. Classic Clough! He was right, they needed to get out more.
Couple of local hacks being owned by Clough and McMenemy.
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TY for sharing this. I had the pleasure of sharing a newsroom for several years with George House when I worked as a freelance reporter/sports presenter, for what was then called BBC Radio Newcastle. A fine broadcaster & a most kind man. As a fledgling writer, I am most grateful to John Gibson for the time, patience & kindness he showed to me when I met him at the Newcastle Evening Chronicle offices in the early 1980s. I was beginning my professional writing career & I cherish his sage advice. I later shared the press box with him at St. James' Park & Doug Wetherall was also present on many occasions. I never met Brian Clough, but his pedigree as a manager is well known. I did meet Lawrie McMenemy once at Roker Park when I was covering Sunderland home matches for commercial station Radio Tees. He was visiting, as the then Southampton manager.
Love the way Clough brought up Birmingham and it's a great point - Blues were getting massive gates in the 70's and Villa were incredibly well supported even though they spent two seasons in the third division: they got over 48,000 in for a game against Bournemouth in that league in 1972.
I have no idea why this was recommended to me but I'm glad it was. I follow a team who is turmoil and struggles to get fans through the door and have always been envious of the North East atmosphere. The way the people from these areas talk about the game and the fans is brilliant. Fans are always at the heart of everything and managers like Clough understood that
Nearly fifty years later,teams in the north east still haven't won a major trophy. The late brian clough in that time built two teams,one of them achieving back to back champions league wins.
The comments here are spot on. This conversation highlights the lost art of Listen to Speak- yes there is some butting in but it’s very mild and doesn’t spoil the flow. Two managerial legends I’m from Nottingham and met Cloughie many times. He was a joy to say hello to. 😊 oh and classic Clough line ‘how can you argue with me if you don’t know what I’m going to say’ haha 😅
I remember when Bryan Robson joined Boro in the 90s Doug Weatherall saying Middlesbrough was more of a Rugby town than a Soccer one. He knew nothing about Boro or our Football history. Stand up Brian Clough.
Passion passion passion. Tired of hearing how Geordies are better supporters than everyone else. It’s a one team city. Of course they get a lot of supporters.
Cloughie dismantled the insular and myopic Weatherall and Gibson in the last 2 minutes of this clip.
Fascinating. There is one thing from the 70s I remember very well and that was how older people began in their dress begin to reflect the fashion of the younger people. Men in their 50s and 60s would wear their hair a little longer, they would develop scruffy grey sideburns, their trousers would be a little wider, their lapels too. In fact if you start at the beginning going from left to right you find, I think, each time a decreasing take up of the new. Starting with journalist 1 who is full blown 70s all the way to Brian Clough who with the exception of his lapels is still 60s.
what a fantastic discussion, can you imagine seeing stuff like this today? clough was utterly brilliant, an absolute one off, it's interesting that this clip is nearly 50 years old and neither newcastle or sunderland have won a major honour in that time, boro won the league cup of course and they've all been in a few major finals but nothing significant has been won, newcastle's gates dropped alarmingly in the early 80's when they were floundering in division 2 but the crowds, generally speaking, at all the big north east clubs have remained very good despite the lack of tangible success, the north east is one of the biggest football hotbeds in the world but passion for the game can be found all over britain, i'm a Barrow supporter and we just got back into the football league after 48 years and we have a small vocal following as does every club including small, sleepy southern outfits, north east passion is legendary but not unique, it's just the scale of it, the game is far more important in the tyne/wear area than it is in say southampton or norwich, incidentally that era(70's) was my favourite for the game, wonderful times when i loved the game with a passion i sadly don't have anymore
How Brian clough was never given the England job is an absolute sin. One of the best, if not the best, English manager.
Newcastle and Sunderland do have passionate fanbases, but they're also large catchment areas with few rival clubs. That's a big reason why they have large attendances.
The plight of north east football, the passion not matched by the success on the pitch. It’s a tale as old as time