If you go to the front don't do it on roundabouts or giveways where the driver at front is paying 0 attention to you and instead concentrating on pulling out. That WOULD be hindering! Red lights is ok if you know it will be red still when you get there. On anything that isn't a 125cc it's easy to jump in front quickly to get out of the way.
The thing I find funny is when people try to argue with you about the legality. If you go and do a RoSPA course you'll most likely be taught by a current or past motorcycle police officer, they will expect you to filter, they will expect you to ride in a particular way and failing to make progress is something they will make an observation on. If you're on a bike and NOT filtering, why even bother!?
That's the proper way to filter, in 'slow' and stationary traffic. A lot of bikers think that it's OK to go any speed you like down the middle or filter through traffic that's moving quite significantly, only takes one idiot not checking their mirrors or indicating to give you a bad day.
I have had "discussions" about filtering with car drivers. I just say to them, you get a roof, windscreen, wipers when it rains, a radio, Aircon widows that you can close to keep bugs out. I get to slip between the traffic occasionally.
Last time I had some rageful idiot yelling across his wife at me (I'm sure she enjoyed that) I yelled at him "if you want to sneak between the cars, you can get a bike too." What the hell are these idiots angry about?
You can also tell em there are a million people who commute to work on two wheels in this country, if we were banned from skipping traffic there'd be no reason to be on a bike and there'd be a million more cars on the road in the morning. Is that what they want? More traffic?
@@MrPilgrim609and that bikes aren't! Bikes being allowed to filter and use bus lanes, combined with their acceleration speeds, effectively removes them from traffic, making _everyone's_ journey faster and safer.
@@Lostachillesnot if you cause an accident though.. this demonstrations was excellent.. he is aware of other traffic..he has time to see if they’ve clocked him in mirrors.. 👍😎
In the early 1980's I spent a few years couriering in London. This was before the email age when documents were shunted between offices and good money could be had. You learned great observational skills and to be pretty nippy through traffic in all kinds of weathers and on diesel slicked roads. I still ride bikes although much slower now but those skills never leave you. You can 'tell' when a driver is inattentive especially nowadays with phones and screens in cars.
It's also called 'making progress' in the UK. If you do not do it when being tested, you will likely be criticised and possibly docked points and regarded as hesitant and lacking confidence. Basic roadcraft which many car drivers resent.
great demonstration on filtering, really well done. I tend to filter up to the very front unless there are zigzags near the crossings. If the lights don't have crossings I will be up at the front. I also launch right away to try and not slow down cars behind me which usually ends up with me waaaay out in front, without even exceeding the speed limit. I must say that not having the L plate and a bigger motorcycle does help with people taking you more seriously when you try to filter. I blame the delivery riders for that 👀
Good points except that I was a delivery rider for over thirty years. Pizza etc doesn't keep very hot after 300 miles. Keep it between the hedges.........
@@richardsanders3567 The actual legislation states that you MUST NOT overtake the *moving* vehicle nearest to the Zebra crossing OR the vehicle that has stopped at the crossing to allow pedestrians to cross, this means you actually can filter past crossings over Zig Zig lines in certain circumstances, e.g. total gridlocked traffic and no pedestrians on or near the Zebra crossing
I also go to the front and give it some off the line. Same reason, car drivers tend to mainly get pissed if they think you’ve pushed in front or are holding them up.
1:00 textbook there, mate. Perfect example of filtering. Not forcing it. Waiting for the gap, and thanking others when they make a gap for you. When bikers thank car drivers for making a gap for them, the car driver will take the extra time to check their mirror for bikers when in traffic and make room for the next one. Doesn't hurt to thank a car driver for making space for us. And helps us all out in the long run. So bikers, please thank car drivers for making space for you so they make space for other bikers in the future.
@@spicy110 Right!? Yes! Me too. It happens so often. Car drivers tend to think "can I pull out"? And they can, but it causes us to break (weather in a car or a bike). Not many drivers think "can I pull out without causing the driver/(biker) to slow down? So when I come across times where I'm expecting people to pull out, forcing me to break, and they don't pull out, I thank them for not pulling out! And they put their hand up as well, acknowledging what I thanked them for!
ive just started riding a 125cc ped for a week now and i dont have the nerv to filer through traffic, but i still know i can. this video helps a lot. cheers spicy110
I've been on my 125 for about 2 months now, I only just got into filtering the other day. weirdly I prefer filtering on Dual carriage ways (when traffic is still or slow moving) i get a lot more people moving. only filter when you're ready don't fall into the trap of filtering for the fact you've seen some people wizz past through traffic. It'll all come in time buddy
In the philosophy of that motorcycle wise guru (I think his name means many flavours but can't put my tongue to it right now🤣) Practice slow control - slower than walking pace [and if you've got a clutch use that with steady revs not your brakes ] to gain balance and control. And to build confidence put your head on a swivel and grow eyes like a chameleon 🤣🤣 And more importantly enjoy your new found freedom
It’s part of the give and take of shared use of the roads leading to better flow for all. If you can’t make headway , don’t stop others , likewise , let cars cross and enter and everyone wins 😃🍻
Most vehicles are quite happy to let us filter, it’s just the odd nob who thinks they know best or are simply enraged that we’re able to filter and they can’t! Only thing is I always tend to go to front as even if the lights change the chances of a problem are slim being that the gap is big enough to get through regardless. Even find people will help by pulling over slightly to widen the gap which I always try and acknowledge. Only thing I’d suggest is to filter in know more than 1st or 2nd gear as it gives you time at that speed to react to unexpected actions by other vehicles. Survived doing this for 35 years by always expecting the unexpected.
Whoever pushed for it in Colorado USA can they please contact Nottingham City Council and Nottinghamshire County Council UK to allow motorcycles to use the bus lanes or even just that EcoExpressway The EcoExpressway - a road that used to be mainly single lane [both ways] that cost £6.1 million to dual only for 1 new lane [each way] to be used by buses, taxis [wheelchair accessible], ULEV's and cyclists ONLY. Now most EV drivers are so chuffed they're saving the planet [questionable] or panicking about range anxiety most forget it's there Similarly cyclists mostly still use the old cycle path that still exists [on the north side Therefore the EcoExpressway is used every 7 mins peak time [buses] + the occasional taxi + the occasional EV [who's remembered] and the occasional cyclist [probably illegal E-Bike that tops out at 50mph]........all whilst the other lane is nose to tail, 5mph if we're lucky..... It's OK I've just swallowed my anti rant medication
17 years lanesplitting, clipped 1 mirror because the car did a last minute gapclosing. we talked, there was no damage and continued our way before the light hit green.
A month ago, coming back from a European tour, Pillion on the back of a Dyna Wide Glide 1450, left Germany in the morning, came through Luxembourg, Belgium and France and crossed through the Tunnel arriving in Kent at 3pm aiming for the South West via M3. Up the M20, M26 closed. Continue up the M20 to join M25 and come back south, looping around M26, only to find a section of the M25 closed - traffic horrendous. Came off with all the other traffic on an A-road, somehow followed and looped around until a sign said M3, M4, M25 - got there just as the highways closed the slip road to it. Everywhere South and West was a car/lorry park. Ended up joining the M25 to go east and north and around via Dartford Tunnel. Everything was continually stop-start. Came off at Hemel Hempstead around 7pm to hold up for the night as it was getting dark and the weather was closing in and enough was enough. Point being - husband filtered for 80+ miles virtually non-stop.
It’s legal providing the manoeuvre is carried out safely and responsibly. Have an incident and bet your bottom dollar you will have a fight on your hands….just keep that in mind. Been on a motorbike for 60 years this month, rode professionally and taught for a while, filter all the time but am very much aware of what the consequences may be when things go amiss…you should too. Just because it’s NOT ILLEGAL doesn’t mean you have god given rights.
There are a couple of important court cases that happened and came out in favour of motorcycle filtering. This gives us a legal president to work from and has made our case far more defendable. But yes, you are right it could be a tricky argument in some cases, and there where having a camera is great.
Depends what the situation is. If you're filtering slow moving traffic and a car moves to another lane suddenly, causing an impact with you and it, the car driver is at fault. If you're "lane splitting" at speed and a car driver changes lane when fully entitled to and causes you to crash then it's your fault as the rider. It's "the incident" that matters, not just that the biker was filtering.
I've had van drivers spitting out their window deliberately, throwing soda cans, crisp packets and rubbish. Never had bother from cars, just one Porsche 911, sped up while I was overtaking so when I wanted back in he was there, lucky I checked on my left side before moving across.
Nice clear video. I'm just tuened 60 and getting back into motorcycling after many years. Still taking it easy and building up skills & confidence. Need to start work on filtering as a bit nerve wracking at first to head into the 'narrow' spaces. Thanks for informative video.
I was filtering not long ago and someone in the left of his lane decided to park across the road and turned right in front of me, I hit his door and fell. Probably doing about 15 mph at the time. All he was interested in is getting his fish and chips.
I think your an exception in the motorcycle filtering etiquette.. some ppl don’t read the hazards..the speeds you were filtering at, allow for other drivers/riders & I wouldn’t expect a serious accident or altercation because of this..👍👍😎
I would love this in the states, biggest issue is other drivers egos being hurt because we pass them. I'm in Virginia where splitting & filter is illegal.
1:30 "Van driver's looking at me". *THIS* is why camera "mirrors" are such a danger. The van has real mirrors. As a motorcyclist (with an HGV license incidentally), I consider eye contact a very useful tool.
You know what, I have never thought about that issue with camera mirrors. I can not say I have seen any on the road with just cameras but from a google serch I see they do exsist.
Here in France, filtering is illegal except for an experiment still going on in 21 departments, where it is legal on certain types of roads with particular speed limits. So, if you want to filter in France, you have to know what department you are in, and whether it is on the list, as well as all the other criteria. You probably wouldn't get more than a warning for filtering in the wrong department, as long as you're being sensible about it, but if something did go wrong you would be held responsible. It wouldn't do for rules to be simple in France!
If you go by the rule that one in 20 vehicles that have seen you coming are triggered and will deliberately try to block your path you won't be proved far wrong
My bike has twin headlights with plus 50% bulbs & I filter on high beam. But some car drivers actively block my progress. Because they haven't red the Highway Code since passing the driving test.
Couldn't agree more. I've been riding for nearly 60 years and this only doesn't work for the Biker going through too fast or stupid aggressive drivers trying to make a point. In Germany it is illegal to filter.
I drive and ride, people who get annoyed with filtering I just point out that if I wanted to sit in traffic going nowhere I would have brought my car as well.
If some UK car drivers ever went to Europe they'd be in for a BIG surprise... If you try closing the gap on a motorcyclist over there you'd lose a wing mirror. I love riding there it's a whole different mentality towards riders.
one of the first games I played when I got street legal for a bike back in 2013 was to ride around looking for cop cars stuck in traffic that I could filter past, every time they didn't react and that built confidence in the fact that am riding safe and filtering is legal 😁 also hunting caged cop's to filter past makes for a more or less sane excuse to get out an about on the bike 🤣🤣🤣 unless you say it out loud to a non biker 🤣🤣🤣 gess its just one of them things that if you know you know and if you don't know that ya probly not a biker 🤣🤣🤣
No need to stop behind the cars right at the start. You can easily out drag them in you need to. The only time you need to legally stop behind the lead car is when the lines are in a zig-jaz pattern (usually at pedestrian crossings).
honestly the only drivers who gave me problems for filtering are people who dont check their mirrors and distracted by their phones that get scared when they hear me next to them and dont know/care that is legal in UK, however this few drivers feel entitled to cut you off and risk accidents just for their negligence
Sometimes I do if I need to get somewhere a little quicker but sometimes I’m not in that much of a rush to get to work or whatever so I will just go with the flow, it’s good to have the choice.
I always go straight infront of the first car. I understand its.probs not good.to.stop past the stop line but it avoids the whole finding a gap behind the 1st/2nd car
Once saw a biker do that just before the lights changed with the car bumping into the bike. Motorist was anticipating the green and went, totally missing the arrival of the bike. Filtering comes with a big learning curve and some unexpected and painful moments.
In my town we have big green bike sections in front of the car stop line so it's great for those on two wheels (motorised or otherwise). I still don't filter to the front if it's tight and I arrived with no idea of the current light sequence to avoid the situation you describe.
@@nickbrown1973I'm not sure there's a copper in the land that would actually care but I believe you can be charged for being in that box as it's for cyclists only.
@@timsyoutube6051 They do often clamp down on motorcycles stopping in the cycle box in the Met police area, there are certain circumstances where you can lawfully stop in it but its best to always avoid it if you can, not least because it often triggers the adrenaline pumped Lycra lout brigade
I've got a genetic ear defect and therefore a crap sense of balance, so I never got into bikes. But I have time for bikers because why not? They've never done me any harm. And if you're near me in traffic, you're golden because I actually look out the windows.
Used to be a courier back in the 80’s working out of Manchester. Unbelievable how many people used to get arsey about us filtering. Once you have developed the skill, which you seem to have, there just isn’t any sort of an issue at all. And like you said, it’s legal in the UK😄. It isnt in Germany though, or a lot of US states, which is just stupid. Just makes traffic worse🤷🏼♂️
I have a question I have been riding for about 3 years I just passed my A2 I'm still on my Benelli bn 125, how should I practice filtering can I do it on my 125 or wait for my first big bike?
Just have to do it when there are big enough spaces to begin with. You can definitely filter on a 125. Just got to gain confidence in it and remember your bike probably isnt as wide as you think it is.
@@speedingbeast5976yes gaining experience and confidence is important. Stick with your ability and do not allow ambition get ahead of you, that is when accidents happen.
Im a new rider the best way to start filtering is on you average 2 lane one lane per direction road and pretty much overtaking the cars . Start only when there's no oncoming traffic and after enough time you will get comfortable and do it with traffic and then the roads in the video. Im a cbt rider it is legal for us and if you are ready probably better than doing it on a big bike due to the smaller size being more forgiving in filtering ( i can only guess). Good luck
i have been doing it for thirty years plus and i can say it is dangerous.....but I still do it.........its not a lane it is infringing on two people who have 100% the right to own that lane so if they drift over due to being on the phone, not paying attention etc and hit you then you have to pay.... this is exactly what happened to me and i paid a guy £600 due to him suddendly drifting accross on me and cought the back pannier...lucky mine is a big bike so did not get tipped over. It was his fault but he had poor eyesight but it was his lane to do what he liked on it. Be carefull out there and enjoy.
Going Through a claim a driver made against me! He swerved towards me ( probably because he had the ump) whilst I was filtering, he misjudged it and side swiped into me damaging his wing mirror and door (nothing to my bike as I have engine bars.) he knocked me into the car on my left which helped keep me upright. This is still an open case at the minute as it happened in July but my renewal quotes have been affected as they all see it as a fault claim until it is resolved. He claims I was on the wrong side of the road by the way, which is Bollocks needless to say. Just saying, no matter how careful you are filtering some other Twt can cost you.
I had a similar experience, a car trying to squeeze into my safety space obviously annoyed that I'd filtered slightly in front of him at a point where a major road narrows from 3 lanes into 2, my jeans (armoured biker jeans) got caught in his front bumper, pulling my leg towards his wheel arch as he drove off, removing his bumper entirely, my bikes rear end got tugged into his wheel arch and damaged the wing with the rear footpeg hanger, not a scratch on my bike, just dirty jeans and his BMW convertible was wrecked! He tried insurance claiming against me claiming I had "swerved into him" I told the insurers of my helmet cam footage and eventually the claim dropped and nothing else was heard
I always go to the front cos even if they go off early i will be in front shortly and even use the cycle bay in front of the lights.Im a vulnerable two wheeled user is my excuse. I filter in slow moving traffic but only if two vehicles are next to each other i am very cautious is one has a gap to go into and wish i had a noisier bike, i work shifts and the old Bandit roaring into life at 0430 is noisy enough. I find cars seem more aware of filtering bikes than when i started back in 1980 due to the moped food delivery phenomenon but man you gotta keep an eye out for them.
If you use the cycle box then you have advanced over the stop line, the one you are suppose to stop at, so you could get points for that, also, the reason you don't go beyond the first vehicle is that you could be in their blind spot or they have not noticed you, hence you sit back behind them, this stops you from being squashed or accidentally hit by the vehicle in front. The guy in this vid did exactly what you should do according to the highway code, pushing to the front next to the lead vehicle isn't a good idea to start with and usually puts the biker in a position that is far more vulnerable to other traffic than they would be by sitting back behind them (just look at truck turning circles or oncoming traffic that could clip you or the points you would pick up for going beyond the stop line).
Safer to filter to the front and have full vision of all directions at the junction, pedestrian crossings being the exception where you shouldn’t overtake the moving vehicle nearest to the crossing or vehicles stopped to allow people to cross
Yep it's legal, you're not crossing any solid white lines. You're speed is fine. I did this most days commuting from work to home on a 2 mile stretch. I didn't do more than 15mph (it was a wider 2 way road) and was happy I could keep moving as the cars just sat there. Been in a car for 25 years, but not that peed off about traffic jams.
Cars moving over a little to give you more room literally NEVER happens in Australia. The rudest most aggressive and incompetent drivers in the developed world. It's actually a challenge to not give enough space for anyone to merge or filter that almost all Aussies take very seriously.
In busy cities I’ve seen vehicles move over to make room for one filtering biker on their nearside simultaneously trapping a blind spot biker on their offside, BIKERS when filtering on a multi lane carriageway make sure there’s not another filtering biker in a parallel lane, if there is, create a significant gap to avoid this scenario
Don't know why you stopped a car back, you just leave yourself at risk of being trapped. Best be at the front, you're going to be away before either the van or the car. You also have the view to left or right to make sure nothing is jumping the lights rather than being beside the car or van when they get side swiped by somthing that is.
@spicy110 I got halfway through and, meh. I could have covered all eventualities with a short essay, but hey, you do you and that's fine. I just don't like to leave myself in a situation where I'm at the mercy of 4 drivers rather than just 2. If it looks that dodgy, then I won't filter. I stick to my assertion that you're better off at the front, or you shouldn't have been filtering at all. Also, there's often a cycle area at the front that improves your view of the junction. Of course, you're not supposed to enter it on a motorcycle and, ahem, I never would any more than I'd cross the solid white to be a little ahead. You also need to be very aware of pedestrian activity, they can really mess things up.
@@cliveadams7629 The rider explains that they did not want to be caught between vehicles when the light changed. The most glaring omission from the video and the commentary is the absence of explaining the 'lifesaver' which is essential when 'making progress' in heavy traffic, particularly when other motorcyclists are also trying to make progress.
You watched a video made to show people who do not like filtering that it is, in fact, legal and better for everyone on the road. It is so legal that I filtered past a police car in the video, and still, you think we are in the wrong. Time for some self-reflection.
Better than getting swiped by an artic who is turning the corner and you are beyond the stop line, that will hurt far worse and hence the reason you should be stopping behind the lead vehicle and not next to or in front of it.
@@tonyb1223 not if it's an artic crushing you and you keep inline with traffic not behind lead car or in front of it and attics don't travel that fast around corners
Only if the traffic is at a total stop, would I attempt filtering. When it starts to move I would pull over into a lane. All it takes is one inattentive driver to ruin your whole day. And, it’s illegal here in WA state. So, who’s at fault if a car starts changing lanes and you hit them? 🤔😵💫😵
"So, who’s at fault if a car starts changing lanes and you hit them?" If "they" change lanes "they" hit "you" not the other way around. When a car changes lane in the UK it is on that car to look before they move. There have been a few cases in court now that set a legal persistence in the defence of a filtering motorcycle. Honestly most riders in the UK filter like this, it is no big deal but you better be experienced and good a road craft to do it safely.
Does anyone (in the UK) really think filtering is illegal? I know it is in some (most?) states in the US... but I'm sure it's been fine in the UK for decades, no?
You would think that but no, many people will argue with bikers both IRL and online about how it is illegal. You can tell them they are wrong, you can show them the law, you can make Hoodies and shirts about it recklesspromotions.uk/product-category/spicy110/lanesplit/yesitslegal/ And yet, you will still be told it is not legal and people will try to block you on the road.
People get frustrated in traffic jams. Even when you post these videos people will leave angry comments. Its safer for us to filter than wait in traffic and its one less vehicle in the queue
I'm riding for 6 years consecutive, and I'm doing this every time it's safe, I've donebit many times with a police car in trafic oan at least 2 times with bike police behind me. U know what's funny? I see so many riders they blocked when they see a police car and they join the trafic jam. Yes it is filtering.
I'll only filter in standard single lane traffic when it is slow or stopped. I don't think filtering on the inside is ever clever and Highway Code 163 says not to..."only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so" Realistically car drivers will not regularly check their left mirror when in in the outside lane of a slow moving dual carriageway. You could argue that they should. But that won't save your life.
A lad I used to work with got wiped out by a car turning left while he was 'filtering' past on the left, making use of a cycle lane. Everyone in the office told him how much of a pratt he was overtaking on the left, however......the drivers insurance company paid up. I was amazed.
@@swoop1352 Great comment - Quite topical at the moment with discussions going on about what is technically within the rules , against real life experience and perception. Like I said, technically not breaking any rules, doesn't mean you are right and definitely won't save your life!
Yeah, in UK I was doing lane splitting rather than filtering on a busy motorway at 60/70 mph and making great headway until a police biker on a BMW rolled alongside me. "Stop bl##dy weaving" and tore off ahead..........
Not accusing you of anything but I've been to Cali and the splitting I saw there was suicidal. There were bikes splitting between cars that were already going over 70mph. That was before TH-cam existed but now we get to see it all the time Moto Maddness😂
Unfortunately you have to filter more these days, I’m not that old but it seemed better in the late 80s when only one car to a household.. + if I want to sit in a queue will jump in the car 😊
Yes technically when filtering you should not go to the front unless the car at the front has left room for you to fit. Otherwise you "should" stop at the back of the car on the line. It is also good advice as people in cars tend to go on amber and you will end up between 2 cars pulling away. Of course, we often go to the front where it makes sense, but you should not really.
@@spicy110 Yeah, see..... _should_ and _do_ are a bit different in my world. I've been going to front for 35 years and, so far, no-one's been able to keep up off the line since I sold the AR80. What annoys me are bikers who go to the front and pull away like my Grandma driving a milk float.
If I teach people something that is wrong legally that is a bigger issue. How do you deal with cars pulling away before the light has turned green? That has nothing to do with the speed you pull away.
@@spicy110 Peripheral vision. Either vehicle so much as twitches on amber and I'm dumping the clutch.....if the junction isn't blocked or about to be anyway. If traffic going in other directions is still moving then jumping ambers isn't advised but then in 35 years I haven't had a car driver try to beat me off the line on amber while traffic is in his way.
So if they jump the light you jump them and someone jumps the red at the light to the right you get T boned. The point is I am teaching people the legal safe ways.
@@SKBKER wouldn't do much, the Police don't take any action over videos depicting people aiming for you, so they'll be less than bothered by someone blocking your filtering route - besides, the drivers will just call SMIDSY
Common sense suspends it. A lot of the time you'll be straddling the line, are you supposed to indicate left and right every time you cross over the line slightly?
@@timsyoutube6051 I've seen a lot of riders using their hazard lights when filtering too, this is a moving traffic violation and very unsafe / confusing to other road users
The highway code doesn't mandate that you MUST always indicate when changing lanes, only that you SHOULD indicate *if it helps other motorists* , in cases where signalling could confuse other motorists its dangerous and should not be done, on roads empty of other traffic it is also pointless and unnecessary
@@Humanity101-zp4sq ONLY if it helps other road users and specifically NOT if it could confuse them HC Rule 103 Signals warn and inform other road users, including pedestrians of your intended actions. You *should* (not MUST) always give clear signals in plenty of time, having checked it is not misleading to signal at that time use them to advise other road users before changing course or direction, stopping or moving off cancel them after use make sure your signals will not confuse others. If, for instance, you want to stop after a side road, do not signal until you are passing the road. If you signal earlier it may give the impression that you intend to turn into the road. Your brake lights will warn traffic behind you that you are slowing down use an arm signal to emphasise or reinforce your signal if necessary. Remember that signalling does not give you priority. Rule 104 You should also watch out for signals given by other road users and proceed only when you are satisfied that it is safe be aware that an indicator on another vehicle may not have been cancelled.
In the UK it's red, red AND amber, green, amber, red. Green means you can go (or continue) if safe to do so. Anything else means stop, with amber having an "unless it's not safe or possible to stop before the line" sort of caveat, whereas red is an absolute must stop before the line. Red and amber before green gives you notice that is about to change to green so you have time to put your vehicle in gear (most of us drive manual) and check your surroundings (like make sure there isn't a bike coming up the inside or a pedestrian making a late dash to cross, or something).
Filter up to the front you want to be in first ready to go as some drivers stomp it to show their displeasure, divi's caught me out once like that and I almost got steamrolled by a agro SUV.
No , you're doing it all wrong- the other channels all show you need to be doing at least 100km p/h so the other drivers don't see you and get scared, admittedly most end up in hospital but they can't all be wrong😁. Good job
Ahh the old Filter Aggro, personally if I see Plod I don’t want to interact with them in any way however my Daughter who works in A city as a Solicitor was out on her Nike and got pulled for it, she educated him on her rites , he did give her bike a good going over before scurrying off. It’s a number game with them. The Plod you passed in your video didn’t seem to be Traffic so he would probably not know his Onions. It’s Traffic you have to watch out for. Here where I am you literally take your life in your hands .
Loud pipes saves lives is not a new concept, just do not get too confident about how much you think people hearing you helps safety. Do not get me wrong I have louder bike for this reason but there is a lot more to it. I talk about it in the video. th-cam.com/video/05FWWv3BZFQ/w-d-xo.html this discussion is started by talking about silent electrics but leads on the discussion of loud pipes saves lives.
I was flagged down by a cop on the A1 earlier who complained about me filtering. I told him 1. it's legal and 2. yes he saw me due to the fact that I was running with my hazards on. That was the entire point of running with hazards on through slow/nonmoving traffic: so that people can SEE ME and take whatever avoiding action is necessary to allow me through safely. I can only hope I passed on some knowledge there.
We are all solely responsible for our own safety on a motorbike and while sensible filtering is legal, the police with regard to the use of hazard lights were correct in stopping you. Highway code 116......... You MUST NOT use hazard warning lights while driving or being towed unless you are on a motorway or unrestricted dual carriageway and you need to warn drivers behind you of a hazard or obstruction ahead. Only use them for long enough to ensure that your warning has been observed.
You shouldn't use hazard as it will lead to confusion. Told on a course that we shouldn't hazard light,only one person in the room of 30 put their hand up when asked if they use hazard lights when filtering and was told to stop.
A lady in her range rover refused to let me in when was filtering at traffic lights just as people went I had to accelerate abit more to slot into the car infront of her. She clearly knew I was there.
Wrong mindset........ Unfortunately nobody has to let you in after filtering ahead so just play it by ear, accept that you've made up some ground and will gain more coming up to the next lights. Car drivers will be worried about getting caught by the next red lights while lacking your biker bonus of filtering.
Always be prepared to give up your right of way, always ride defensively, always assume cagers are actively trying to kill you! Filtering carefully is absolutely sensible and this video is a perfect example. I must admit I tend to go to the front but always feel out of place over the line if there is no bike box.
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People saying "you should filter to the front" You have to keep a few things in mind doing that th-cam.com/video/Ul0OVQQoZ9E/w-d-xo.html
If you go to the front don't do it on roundabouts or giveways where the driver at front is paying 0 attention to you and instead concentrating on pulling out. That WOULD be hindering!
Red lights is ok if you know it will be red still when you get there. On anything that isn't a 125cc it's easy to jump in front quickly to get out of the way.
The thing I find funny is when people try to argue with you about the legality. If you go and do a RoSPA course you'll most likely be taught by a current or past motorcycle police officer, they will expect you to filter, they will expect you to ride in a particular way and failing to make progress is something they will make an observation on. If you're on a bike and NOT filtering, why even bother!?
Also, stopping behind another car leaves you at risk of being rear-ended. It's not a tribial risk, either, and nor are the consequences.
That's the proper way to filter, in 'slow' and stationary traffic. A lot of bikers think that it's OK to go any speed you like down the middle or filter through traffic that's moving quite significantly, only takes one idiot not checking their mirrors or indicating to give you a bad day.
I have had "discussions" about filtering with car drivers. I just say to them, you get a roof, windscreen, wipers when it rains, a radio, Aircon widows that you can close to keep bugs out. I get to slip between the traffic occasionally.
Last time I had some rageful idiot yelling across his wife at me (I'm sure she enjoyed that) I yelled at him "if you want to sneak between the cars, you can get a bike too." What the hell are these idiots angry about?
You can also tell em there are a million people who commute to work on two wheels in this country, if we were banned from skipping traffic there'd be no reason to be on a bike and there'd be a million more cars on the road in the morning. Is that what they want? More traffic?
@@awalshblue I like to point out to people who complain about being stuck in traffic that they ARE the traffic they are stuck in! Priceless😆
@@MrPilgrim609and that bikes aren't!
Bikes being allowed to filter and use bus lanes, combined with their acceleration speeds, effectively removes them from traffic, making _everyone's_ journey faster and safer.
@@Lostachillesnot if you cause an accident though.. this demonstrations was excellent.. he is aware of other traffic..he has time to see if they’ve clocked him in mirrors.. 👍😎
Had a guy in a jag open his door on me in stationary traffic! So busy watching me filtering behind him he hadn’t noticed the unmarkcop next to him.
In the early 1980's I spent a few years couriering in London. This was before the email age when documents were shunted between offices and good money could be had. You learned great observational skills and to be pretty nippy through traffic in all kinds of weathers and on diesel slicked roads. I still ride bikes although much slower now but those skills never leave you. You can 'tell' when a driver is inattentive especially nowadays with phones and screens in cars.
CX500 plastic maggot days!
It's also called 'making progress' in the UK. If you do not do it when being tested, you will likely be criticised and possibly docked points and regarded as hesitant and lacking confidence. Basic roadcraft which many car drivers resent.
great demonstration on filtering, really well done.
I tend to filter up to the very front unless there are zigzags near the crossings. If the lights don't have crossings I will be up at the front. I also launch right away to try and not slow down cars behind me which usually ends up with me waaaay out in front, without even exceeding the speed limit.
I must say that not having the L plate and a bigger motorcycle does help with people taking you more seriously when you try to filter. I blame the delivery riders for that 👀
Good points except that I was a delivery rider for over thirty years.
Pizza etc doesn't keep very hot after 300 miles.
Keep it between the hedges.........
If you filter up to a zebra crossing you cannot move off first ‘overtake’ the car next to you You have to let him go first then move off
@@richardsanders3567 The actual legislation states that you MUST NOT overtake the *moving* vehicle nearest to the Zebra crossing OR the vehicle that has stopped at the crossing to allow pedestrians to cross, this means you actually can filter past crossings over Zig Zig lines in certain circumstances, e.g. total gridlocked traffic and no pedestrians on or near the Zebra crossing
I also go to the front and give it some off the line. Same reason, car drivers tend to mainly get pissed if they think you’ve pushed in front or are holding them up.
1:00 textbook there, mate. Perfect example of filtering. Not forcing it. Waiting for the gap, and thanking others when they make a gap for you.
When bikers thank car drivers for making a gap for them, the car driver will take the extra time to check their mirror for bikers when in traffic and make room for the next one. Doesn't hurt to thank a car driver for making space for us. And helps us all out in the long run. So bikers, please thank car drivers for making space for you so they make space for other bikers in the future.
Exactly! I even thank cars for not pulling out when I have right of way.
@@spicy110 Right!? Yes! Me too. It happens so often. Car drivers tend to think
"can I pull out"? And they can, but it causes us to break (weather in a car or a bike). Not many drivers think "can I pull out without causing the driver/(biker) to slow down?
So when I come across times where I'm expecting people to pull out, forcing me to break, and they don't pull out, I thank them for not pulling out! And they put their hand up as well, acknowledging what I thanked them for!
@@spicy110 Age old tip but serves us well "ride as if you're invisible, because to most car drivers, you are!"
ive just started riding a 125cc ped for a week now and i dont have the nerv to filer through traffic, but i still know i can. this video helps a lot. cheers spicy110
I've been on my 125 for about 2 months now, I only just got into filtering the other day. weirdly I prefer filtering on Dual carriage ways (when traffic is still or slow moving) i get a lot more people moving. only filter when you're ready don't fall into the trap of filtering for the fact you've seen some people wizz past through traffic. It'll all come in time buddy
Certainly get comfortable before doing it and when you do start always ask yourself if it's worth it.
In the philosophy of that motorcycle wise guru (I think his name means many flavours but can't put my tongue to it right now🤣)
Practice slow control - slower than walking pace [and if you've got a clutch use that with steady revs not your brakes ] to gain balance and control. And to build confidence put your head on a swivel and grow eyes like a chameleon 🤣🤣
And more importantly enjoy your new found freedom
just remember, if you see a gap in the traffic as you filter - slow down - there may be a car pulling out or something else...
Remember drivers are dumb and don't look .
It’s part of the give and take of shared use of the roads leading to better flow for all. If you can’t make headway , don’t stop others , likewise , let cars cross and enter and everyone wins 😃🍻
Most vehicles are quite happy to let us filter, it’s just the odd nob who thinks they know best or are simply enraged that we’re able to filter and they can’t! Only thing is I always tend to go to front as even if the lights change the chances of a problem are slim being that the gap is big enough to get through regardless. Even find people will help by pulling over slightly to widen the gap which I always try and acknowledge. Only thing I’d suggest is to filter in know more than 1st or 2nd gear as it gives you time at that speed to react to unexpected actions by other vehicles. Survived doing this for 35 years by always expecting the unexpected.
Colorado just introduced lane filtering. It is a wonderful relief to the growing traffic. Not the Armageddon drivers on Facebook predicted.
Whoever pushed for it in Colorado USA can they please contact Nottingham City Council and Nottinghamshire County Council UK to allow motorcycles to use the bus lanes or even just that EcoExpressway
The EcoExpressway - a road that used to be mainly single lane [both ways] that cost £6.1 million to dual only for 1 new lane [each way] to be used by buses, taxis [wheelchair accessible], ULEV's and cyclists ONLY.
Now most EV drivers are so chuffed they're saving the planet [questionable] or panicking about range anxiety most forget it's there
Similarly cyclists mostly still use the old cycle path that still exists [on the north side
Therefore the EcoExpressway is used every 7 mins peak time [buses] + the occasional taxi + the occasional EV [who's remembered] and the occasional cyclist [probably illegal E-Bike that tops out at 50mph]........all whilst the other lane is nose to tail, 5mph if we're lucky.....
It's OK I've just swallowed my anti rant medication
17 years lanesplitting, clipped 1 mirror because the car did a last minute gapclosing.
we talked, there was no damage and continued our way before the light hit green.
Perfectly safe when done correctly. 49 years of filtering never hit a thing, nor been hit.
58 years! 🙂
@@aliwhitwellMe too. 😊
A month ago, coming back from a European tour, Pillion on the back of a Dyna Wide Glide 1450, left Germany in the morning, came through Luxembourg, Belgium and France and crossed through the Tunnel arriving in Kent at 3pm aiming for the South West via M3. Up the M20, M26 closed. Continue up the M20 to join M25 and come back south, looping around M26, only to find a section of the M25 closed - traffic horrendous. Came off with all the other traffic on an A-road, somehow followed and looped around until a sign said M3, M4, M25 - got there just as the highways closed the slip road to it. Everywhere South and West was a car/lorry park. Ended up joining the M25 to go east and north and around via Dartford Tunnel. Everything was continually stop-start. Came off at Hemel Hempstead around 7pm to hold up for the night as it was getting dark and the weather was closing in and enough was enough. Point being - husband filtered for 80+ miles virtually non-stop.
It’s legal providing the manoeuvre is carried out safely and responsibly. Have an incident and bet your bottom dollar you will have a fight on your hands….just keep that in mind.
Been on a motorbike for 60 years this month, rode professionally and taught for a while, filter all the time but am very much aware of what the consequences may be when things go amiss…you should too.
Just because it’s NOT ILLEGAL doesn’t mean you have god given rights.
There are a couple of important court cases that happened and came out in favour of motorcycle filtering. This gives us a legal president to work from and has made our case far more defendable. But yes, you are right it could be a tricky argument in some cases, and there where having a camera is great.
Depends what the situation is. If you're filtering slow moving traffic and a car moves to another lane suddenly, causing an impact with you and it, the car driver is at fault.
If you're "lane splitting" at speed and a car driver changes lane when fully entitled to and causes you to crash then it's your fault as the rider.
It's "the incident" that matters, not just that the biker was filtering.
I've had van drivers spitting out their window deliberately, throwing soda cans, crisp packets and rubbish. Never had bother from cars, just one Porsche 911, sped up while I was overtaking so when I wanted back in he was there, lucky I checked on my left side before moving across.
Nice clear video. I'm just tuened 60 and getting back into motorcycling after many years. Still taking it easy and building up skills & confidence. Need to start work on filtering as a bit nerve wracking at first to head into the 'narrow' spaces. Thanks for informative video.
I was filtering not long ago and someone in the left of his lane decided to park across the road and turned right in front of me, I hit his door and fell.
Probably doing about 15 mph at the time.
All he was interested in is getting his fish and chips.
I filter up to the front on most occasions.
Not sure on the actual rules about this but they told me on my DAS course that you shouldn't filter to the front.
@@timsyoutube6051well that’s just bad advice
@@Splash-Damage why is it? If the car at the front is right on the line you'd be breaking the law going to the front.
@@timsyoutube6051 If it’s safe and legal but you can be at the side bikes move really quickly
I think your an exception in the motorcycle filtering etiquette.. some ppl don’t read the hazards..the speeds you were filtering at, allow for other drivers/riders & I wouldn’t expect a serious accident or altercation because of this..👍👍😎
I would love this in the states, biggest issue is other drivers egos being hurt because we pass them. I'm in Virginia where splitting & filter is illegal.
i always think of the matrix ducati scene when filtering, tune in my head too 😂
1:30 "Van driver's looking at me". *THIS* is why camera "mirrors" are such a danger. The van has real mirrors. As a motorcyclist (with an HGV license incidentally), I consider eye contact a very useful tool.
You know what, I have never thought about that issue with camera mirrors. I can not say I have seen any on the road with just cameras but from a google serch I see they do exsist.
This is truly a great point!
Good well contstucted point. Delivered in a calm and appropriate manner.
Here in France, filtering is illegal except for an experiment still going on in 21 departments, where it is legal on certain types of roads with particular speed limits. So, if you want to filter in France, you have to know what department you are in, and whether it is on the list, as well as all the other criteria. You probably wouldn't get more than a warning for filtering in the wrong department, as long as you're being sensible about it, but if something did go wrong you would be held responsible. It wouldn't do for rules to be simple in France!
Noted, I did not know that! Thanks for the comment.
Isn’t legal & illegal the same word in French, I thought that’s why French drivers tend to do what they want
most filtering goes like this, but occasionally out of the blue there's a driver that gets triggered and starts behaving competitively
If you go by the rule that one in 20 vehicles that have seen you coming are triggered and will deliberately try to block your path you won't be proved far wrong
My bike has twin headlights with plus 50% bulbs & I filter on high beam. But some car drivers actively block my progress. Because they haven't red the Highway Code since passing the driving test.
Couldn't agree more. I've been riding for nearly 60 years and this only doesn't work for the Biker going through too fast or stupid aggressive drivers trying to make a point. In Germany it is illegal to filter.
I drive and ride, people who get annoyed with filtering I just point out that if I wanted to sit in traffic going nowhere I would have brought my car as well.
If some UK car drivers ever went to Europe they'd be in for a BIG surprise... If you try closing the gap on a motorcyclist over there you'd lose a wing mirror.
I love riding there it's a whole different mentality towards riders.
Yeah, nice, safe controlled filtering. Unlike some of the idiots I see going way to fast between the cars. Well done man
one of the first games I played when I got street legal for a bike back in 2013 was to ride around looking for cop cars stuck in traffic that I could filter past, every time they didn't react and that built confidence in the fact that am riding safe and filtering is legal 😁 also hunting caged cop's to filter past makes for a more or less sane excuse to get out an about on the bike 🤣🤣🤣 unless you say it out loud to a non biker 🤣🤣🤣 gess its just one of them things that if you know you know and if you don't know that ya probly not a biker 🤣🤣🤣
Thumbs up for giving me a smile there haha. I'm looking for any excuse to get out and about on it
No need to stop behind the cars right at the start. You can easily out drag them in you need to.
The only time you need to legally stop behind the lead car is when the lines are in a zig-jaz pattern (usually at pedestrian crossings).
This is a video for new riders, Do check that pinned comment.
Police will even tell you to filter, or think you are being suspicious if you dont
honestly the only drivers who gave me problems for filtering are people who dont check their mirrors and distracted by their phones that get scared when they hear me next to them and dont know/care that is legal in UK, however this few drivers feel entitled to cut you off and risk accidents just for their negligence
I love this guy's barely contained simmeri g rage.
I don't understand why many riders don't filter. It's one of the main reasons for choosing to ride a motorbike, gets you ahead of the traffic
Sometimes I do if I need to get somewhere a little quicker but sometimes I’m not in that much of a rush to get to work or whatever so I will just go with the flow, it’s good to have the choice.
I always go straight infront of the first car. I understand its.probs not good.to.stop past the stop line but it avoids the whole finding a gap behind the 1st/2nd car
Once saw a biker do that just before the lights changed with the car bumping into the bike.
Motorist was anticipating the green and went, totally missing the arrival of the bike.
Filtering comes with a big learning curve and some unexpected and painful moments.
In my town we have big green bike sections in front of the car stop line so it's great for those on two wheels (motorised or otherwise). I still don't filter to the front if it's tight and I arrived with no idea of the current light sequence to avoid the situation you describe.
@@nickbrown1973I'm not sure there's a copper in the land that would actually care but I believe you can be charged for being in that box as it's for cyclists only.
@@timsyoutube6051 They do often clamp down on motorcycles stopping in the cycle box in the Met police area, there are certain circumstances where you can lawfully stop in it but its best to always avoid it if you can, not least because it often triggers the adrenaline pumped Lycra lout brigade
I've got a genetic ear defect and therefore a crap sense of balance, so I never got into bikes. But I have time for bikers because why not? They've never done me any harm.
And if you're near me in traffic, you're golden because I actually look out the windows.
Used to be a courier back in the 80’s working out of Manchester. Unbelievable how many people used to get arsey about us filtering. Once you have developed the skill, which you seem to have, there just isn’t any sort of an issue at all. And like you said, it’s legal in the UK😄. It isnt in Germany though, or a lot of US states, which is just stupid. Just makes traffic worse🤷🏼♂️
You get the occasional clown that swings out trying to stop you
I have a question I have been riding for about 3 years I just passed my A2 I'm still on my Benelli bn 125, how should I practice filtering can I do it on my 125 or wait for my first big bike?
Just have to do it when there are big enough spaces to begin with. You can definitely filter on a 125. Just got to gain confidence in it and remember your bike probably isnt as wide as you think it is.
@@speedingbeast5976 Ahh ok thanks :)
@@speedingbeast5976yes gaining experience and confidence is important. Stick with your ability and do not allow ambition get ahead of you, that is when accidents happen.
Im a new rider the best way to start filtering is on you average 2 lane one lane per direction road and pretty much overtaking the cars . Start only when there's no oncoming traffic and after enough time you will get comfortable and do it with traffic and then the roads in the video. Im a cbt rider it is legal for us and if you are ready probably better than doing it on a big bike due to the smaller size being more forgiving in filtering ( i can only guess). Good luck
I used to filter on my 49cc moped when I was 16. It’s 1 of the only things a smaller bike is better at
Try it in Nottingham. The amount of people who try and block me or get right up to my ass to show how annoyed they are!
i have been doing it for thirty years plus and i can say it is dangerous.....but I still do it.........its not a lane it is infringing on two people who have 100% the right to own that lane so if they drift over due to being on the phone, not paying attention etc and hit you then you have to pay.... this is exactly what happened to me and i paid a guy £600 due to him suddendly drifting accross on me and cought the back pannier...lucky mine is a big bike so did not get tipped over. It was his fault but he had poor eyesight but it was his lane to do what he liked on it. Be carefull out there and enjoy.
Going Through a claim a driver made against me! He swerved towards me ( probably because he had the ump) whilst I was filtering, he misjudged it and side swiped into me damaging his wing mirror and door (nothing to my bike as I have engine bars.) he knocked me into the car on my left which helped keep me upright. This is still an open case at the minute as it happened in July but my renewal quotes have been affected as they all see it as a fault claim until it is resolved. He claims I was on the wrong side of the road by the way, which is Bollocks needless to say. Just saying, no matter how careful you are filtering some other Twt can cost you.
I had a similar experience, a car trying to squeeze into my safety space obviously annoyed that I'd filtered slightly in front of him at a point where a major road narrows from 3 lanes into 2, my jeans (armoured biker jeans) got caught in his front bumper, pulling my leg towards his wheel arch as he drove off, removing his bumper entirely, my bikes rear end got tugged into his wheel arch and damaged the wing with the rear footpeg hanger, not a scratch on my bike, just dirty jeans and his BMW convertible was wrecked!
He tried insurance claiming against me claiming I had "swerved into him" I told the insurers of my helmet cam footage and eventually the claim dropped and nothing else was heard
I always go to the front cos even if they go off early i will be in front shortly and even use the cycle bay in front of the lights.Im a vulnerable two wheeled user is my excuse.
I filter in slow moving traffic but only if two vehicles are next to each other i am very cautious is one has a gap to go into and wish i had a noisier bike, i work shifts and the old Bandit roaring into life at 0430 is noisy enough.
I find cars seem more aware of filtering bikes than when i started back in 1980 due to the moped food delivery phenomenon but man you gotta keep an eye out for them.
If you use the cycle box then you have advanced over the stop line, the one you are suppose to stop at, so you could get points for that, also, the reason you don't go beyond the first vehicle is that you could be in their blind spot or they have not noticed you, hence you sit back behind them, this stops you from being squashed or accidentally hit by the vehicle in front. The guy in this vid did exactly what you should do according to the highway code, pushing to the front next to the lead vehicle isn't a good idea to start with and usually puts the biker in a position that is far more vulnerable to other traffic than they would be by sitting back behind them (just look at truck turning circles or oncoming traffic that could clip you or the points you would pick up for going beyond the stop line).
Delightful to hear rhyme and reasonable thoughts 🙉🙈🙊
Safer to filter to the front and have full vision of all directions at the junction, pedestrian crossings being the exception where you shouldn’t overtake the moving vehicle nearest to the crossing or vehicles stopped to allow people to cross
Check the pinned comment.
@@spicy110 I couldn't see it because I pulled in behind the comment in front😃
Yep it's legal, you're not crossing any solid white lines. You're speed is fine.
I did this most days commuting from work to home on a 2 mile stretch. I didn't do more than 15mph (it was a wider 2 way road) and was happy I could keep moving as the cars just sat there.
Been in a car for 25 years, but not that peed off about traffic jams.
That police car just needed to comically WHOOP you. That be hilarious.
This is Britain, they don't whoop. They deee darrr, it's not as funny.
@@swoop1352 some can still whoop. But not like the us cars can.
@@ConfusedRaccoon Yeah, years ago I jumped a red light with un unmarked police car behind me.
BLARRRKKHH.......
It's a fair cop!
Sadly…….far too many idiot drivers where I live, makes this riding almost a deathwish…..
Perfect example of filtering!
I do it but as a car driver as well
it doesnt come easily to me, as
you see most people are happy
and compliant. ! R.
And if you've ever been rear ended by a car you'll know why it's a dangerous place to be at the back of a traffic queue
I have been rear ended, not at lights tho. Also check out that pinned comment.
Cars moving over a little to give you more room literally NEVER happens in Australia. The rudest most aggressive and incompetent drivers in the developed world. It's actually a challenge to not give enough space for anyone to merge or filter that almost all Aussies take very seriously.
In busy cities I’ve seen vehicles move over to make room for one filtering biker on their nearside simultaneously trapping a blind spot biker on their offside, BIKERS when filtering on a multi lane carriageway make sure there’s not another filtering biker in a parallel lane, if there is, create a significant gap to avoid this scenario
Hey spicy110 what camera do you use for your blogs
Also love your videos keep it up
On this one I am using my GoPro Hero 9
@@spicy110 nice i got myself dji osmo action 4 today hopefully its good as people say it is.
Anyone riding a motorcycle not knowing filtering is leagal should give up riding.
Legal or lawful? Lawful always supersedes the legalises system. The law says I can travel freely. Period.
I'd possibly not ride if we couldn't filter... ok, maybe that is too strong a statement, but sitting in traffic on a bike is hell 😀
I would filter and risk it if they ever decided to make it illegal 😅
Don't know why you stopped a car back, you just leave yourself at risk of being trapped. Best be at the front, you're going to be away before either the van or the car. You also have the view to left or right to make sure nothing is jumping the lights rather than being beside the car or van when they get side swiped by somthing that is.
You might want to check out that pinned comment you scrolled past.
@spicy110 Not on my screen, it's sorted newest 1st, but then I don't read every comment before I leave my own.
@spicy110 I got halfway through and, meh. I could have covered all eventualities with a short essay, but hey, you do you and that's fine. I just don't like to leave myself in a situation where I'm at the mercy of 4 drivers rather than just 2. If it looks that dodgy, then I won't filter. I stick to my assertion that you're better off at the front, or you shouldn't have been filtering at all. Also, there's often a cycle area at the front that improves your view of the junction. Of course, you're not supposed to enter it on a motorcycle and, ahem, I never would any more than I'd cross the solid white to be a little ahead.
You also need to be very aware of pedestrian activity, they can really mess things up.
@@cliveadams7629 The rider explains that they did not want to be caught between vehicles when the light changed. The most glaring omission from the video and the commentary is the absence of explaining the 'lifesaver' which is essential when 'making progress' in heavy traffic, particularly when other motorcyclists are also trying to make progress.
@@Humanity101-zp4sq Yeah, I get that and I address it in my original comment. Maybe read it?
The fan on my zx6r-j1 comes on at 105c
Same on my Tracer - usual operating temp is around 85C when moving.
"I haven't hit a single car in my entire life" apart from the one that pulled out on me. 😂 JK Spicey.
Haha you know the context I was talking lol
@@spicy110
Agreed....... SorryMateIDidn'tSeeYou is an occasionally deadly condition that bikers try hard to avoid.
Some police don't seem to like filtering.
Mainly the ones stuck in traffic jams
Not sure that is filtering more like undertaking which is illegal.
I do admit it doesn't bother me when bikes do this.
You watched a video made to show people who do not like filtering that it is, in fact, legal and better for everyone on the road. It is so legal that I filtered past a police car in the video, and still, you think we are in the wrong. Time for some self-reflection.
Stopping behind like this can get you squashed into the van I know what I'm speaking of it has happened to me I have been hit from behind
Better than getting swiped by an artic who is turning the corner and you are beyond the stop line, that will hurt far worse and hence the reason you should be stopping behind the lead vehicle and not next to or in front of it.
@@tonyb1223 not if it's an artic crushing you and you keep inline with traffic not behind lead car or in front of it and attics don't travel that fast around corners
@YamahaMt0 Bit of a death wish then? 😆
Only if the traffic is at a total stop, would I attempt filtering. When it starts to move I would pull over into a lane. All it takes is one inattentive driver to ruin your whole day. And, it’s illegal here in WA state. So, who’s at fault if a car starts changing lanes and you hit them? 🤔😵💫😵
"So, who’s at fault if a car starts changing lanes and you hit them?" If "they" change lanes "they" hit "you" not the other way around. When a car changes lane in the UK it is on that car to look before they move. There have been a few cases in court now that set a legal persistence in the defence of a filtering motorcycle. Honestly most riders in the UK filter like this, it is no big deal but you better be experienced and good a road craft to do it safely.
Filtering is cool and legal , undertaking on the other hand . . . .
Does anyone (in the UK) really think filtering is illegal? I know it is in some (most?) states in the US... but I'm sure it's been fine in the UK for decades, no?
You would think that but no, many people will argue with bikers both IRL and online about how it is illegal. You can tell them they are wrong, you can show them the law, you can make Hoodies and shirts about it recklesspromotions.uk/product-category/spicy110/lanesplit/yesitslegal/
And yet, you will still be told it is not legal and people will try to block you on the road.
People get frustrated in traffic jams. Even when you post these videos people will leave angry comments. Its safer for us to filter than wait in traffic and its one less vehicle in the queue
Always go to the front.Ride in the empty stretch of road ahead of the traffic.
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I'm riding for 6 years consecutive, and I'm doing this every time it's safe, I've donebit many times with a police car in trafic oan at least 2 times with bike police behind me. U know what's funny? I see so many riders they blocked when they see a police car and they join the trafic jam. Yes it is filtering.
ñow that was a good example of how it should be done.
I'll only filter in standard single lane traffic when it is slow or stopped. I don't think filtering on the inside is ever clever and Highway Code 163 says not to..."only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so" Realistically car drivers will not regularly check their left mirror when in in the outside lane of a slow moving dual carriageway. You could argue that they should. But that won't save your life.
A lad I used to work with got wiped out by a car turning left while he was 'filtering' past on the left, making use of a cycle lane.
Everyone in the office told him how much of a pratt he was overtaking on the left, however......the drivers insurance company paid up. I was amazed.
@@swoop1352 Great comment - Quite topical at the moment with discussions going on about what is technically within the rules , against real life experience and perception. Like I said, technically not breaking any rules, doesn't mean you are right and definitely won't save your life!
Doesn't the highway code mention overtaking on the left in traffic aswell?
Still illegal in my country
i hate it when they see you in their wing mirror and block you even more, so you have to wait there breathing in exhaust fumes.
In California we call it lane splitting 🤙🏻
It's not really the same thing. Lane splitting is riding between lanes on a freeway whereas this is "filtering" through trafic queues.
@@davidbesant Yah your right , but it’s kind of the same. 🤙🏻
Yeah, in UK I was doing lane splitting rather than filtering on a busy motorway at 60/70 mph and making great headway until a police biker on a BMW rolled alongside me.
"Stop bl##dy weaving" and tore off ahead..........
Not accusing you of anything but I've been to Cali and the splitting I saw there was suicidal. There were bikes splitting between cars that were already going over 70mph. That was before TH-cam existed but now we get to see it all the time Moto Maddness😂
You filtered past a police car and thought damn I’m cool. Ahaha. Take your plate off and do it. That’s cooler.
Unfortunately you have to filter more these days, I’m not that old but it seemed better in the late 80s when only one car to a household.. + if I want to sit in a queue will jump in the car 😊
I dont do it Honda Fury 36 inches wide
Don't go to the front? Ha! Good one. That's some funny sh*t. You should be on TH-cam.
Yes technically when filtering you should not go to the front unless the car at the front has left room for you to fit. Otherwise you "should" stop at the back of the car on the line. It is also good advice as people in cars tend to go on amber and you will end up between 2 cars pulling away. Of course, we often go to the front where it makes sense, but you should not really.
@@spicy110 Yeah, see..... _should_ and _do_ are a bit different in my world. I've been going to front for 35 years and, so far, no-one's been able to keep up off the line since I sold the AR80. What annoys me are bikers who go to the front and pull away like my Grandma driving a milk float.
If I teach people something that is wrong legally that is a bigger issue. How do you deal with cars pulling away before the light has turned green? That has nothing to do with the speed you pull away.
@@spicy110 Peripheral vision. Either vehicle so much as twitches on amber and I'm dumping the clutch.....if the junction isn't blocked or about to be anyway. If traffic going in other directions is still moving then jumping ambers isn't advised but then in 35 years I haven't had a car driver try to beat me off the line on amber while traffic is in his way.
So if they jump the light you jump them and someone jumps the red at the light to the right you get T boned. The point is I am teaching people the legal safe ways.
Sadly the ego of drivers gets bruised, and they feel a need to try blocking 🙄
It's illegal to do that so report them .
@@SKBKER wouldn't do much, the Police don't take any action over videos depicting people aiming for you, so they'll be less than bothered by someone blocking your filtering route - besides, the drivers will just call SMIDSY
@@TheScortUK go in front and ride really slow .
@@SKBKER two wrongs don't make a right
I have no issue with filtering, but where in the highway code does it suspend the need to indicate when changing lanes if you are filtering?
Common sense suspends it. A lot of the time you'll be straddling the line, are you supposed to indicate left and right every time you cross over the line slightly?
@@timsyoutube6051 I've seen a lot of riders using their hazard lights when filtering too, this is a moving traffic violation and very unsafe / confusing to other road users
The highway code doesn't mandate that you MUST always indicate when changing lanes, only that you SHOULD indicate *if it helps other motorists* , in cases where signalling could confuse other motorists its dangerous and should not be done, on roads empty of other traffic it is also pointless and unnecessary
@@SeanieVoiceOver Any change in road position should be accompanied by a signal.
@@Humanity101-zp4sq ONLY if it helps other road users and specifically NOT if it could confuse them
HC Rule 103
Signals warn and inform other road users, including pedestrians of your intended actions. You *should* (not MUST) always
give clear signals in plenty of time, having checked it is not misleading to signal at that time
use them to advise other road users before changing course or direction, stopping or moving off
cancel them after use
make sure your signals will not confuse others. If, for instance, you want to stop after a side road, do not signal until you are passing the road. If you signal earlier it may give the impression that you intend to turn into the road. Your brake lights will warn traffic behind you that you are slowing down
use an arm signal to emphasise or reinforce your signal if necessary. Remember that signalling does not give you priority.
Rule 104
You should also
watch out for signals given by other road users and proceed only when you are satisfied that it is safe
be aware that an indicator on another vehicle may not have been cancelled.
What the heck is this evil.... Red - AMBER - Green? WTAF?
In the UK it's red, red AND amber, green, amber, red.
Green means you can go (or continue) if safe to do so. Anything else means stop, with amber having an "unless it's not safe or possible to stop before the line" sort of caveat, whereas red is an absolute must stop before the line.
Red and amber before green gives you notice that is about to change to green so you have time to put your vehicle in gear (most of us drive manual) and check your surroundings (like make sure there isn't a bike coming up the inside or a pedestrian making a late dash to cross, or something).
Ready
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Filter up to the front you want to be in first ready to go as some drivers stomp it to show their displeasure, divi's caught me out once like that and I almost got steamrolled by a agro SUV.
Nonsense … get yourself to the front man !!!
No , you're doing it all wrong- the other channels all show you need to be doing at least 100km p/h so the other drivers don't see you and get scared, admittedly most end up in hospital but they can't all be wrong😁. Good job
Ahh the old Filter Aggro, personally if I see Plod I don’t want to interact with them in any way however my Daughter who works in A city as a Solicitor was out on her Nike and got pulled for it, she educated him on her rites , he did give her bike a good going over before scurrying off. It’s a number game with them. The Plod you passed in your video didn’t seem to be Traffic so he would probably not know his Onions. It’s Traffic you have to watch out for. Here where I am you literally take your life in your hands .
I’ve took my baffles out my 1000rr they can hear me for ages so actually is safer for me and prevents a collision
Loud pipes saves lives is not a new concept, just do not get too confident about how much you think people hearing you helps safety. Do not get me wrong I have louder bike for this reason but there is a lot more to it. I talk about it in the video. th-cam.com/video/05FWWv3BZFQ/w-d-xo.html this discussion is started by talking about silent electrics but leads on the discussion of loud pipes saves lives.
A lot of the time drivers can't hear you until you're right next to them. I've been snuck up on loads of times by very loud bikes.
@@timsyoutube6051 well obviously if you’re deaf you won’t hear anything will you
@@Handlethetruth666 motorways are loud plenty of people won't hear you until it's too late. Do not assume everyone can hear you.
Legal but safer to stay in lane FACT
Spoken with pure ignorance.
@@spicy110 Probably not a biker. I was disappointed that you didn't mention the 'lifesaver' though.
I was flagged down by a cop on the A1 earlier who complained about me filtering. I told him 1. it's legal and 2. yes he saw me due to the fact that I was running with my hazards on. That was the entire point of running with hazards on through slow/nonmoving traffic: so that people can SEE ME and take whatever avoiding action is necessary to allow me through safely. I can only hope I passed on some knowledge there.
We are all solely responsible for our own safety on a motorbike and while sensible filtering is legal, the police with regard to the use of hazard lights were correct in stopping you.
Highway code 116.........
You MUST NOT use hazard warning lights while driving or being towed unless you are on a motorway or unrestricted dual carriageway and you need to warn drivers behind you of a hazard or obstruction ahead. Only use them for long enough to ensure that your warning has been observed.
@@fabianmckenna8197 Not only that, but if drivers can't see a headlight coming up alongside them, hazard lights aren't going to make any difference.
You shouldn't use hazard as it will lead to confusion. Told on a course that we shouldn't hazard light,only one person in the room of 30 put their hand up when asked if they use hazard lights when filtering and was told to stop.
The only problem I can find is... After filtering, going into a lane, you delay other road users' travel time.
A lady in her range rover refused to let me in when was filtering at traffic lights just as people went I had to accelerate abit more to slot into the car infront of her.
She clearly knew I was there.
Range rover need I say more .
I got wiped out by a new landrover defender last week bikes poorly sick and off to get assessed tomorrow i caught my foot so im off too
Wrong mindset........
Unfortunately nobody has to let you in after filtering ahead so just play it by ear, accept that you've made up some ground and will gain more coming up to the next lights.
Car drivers will be worried about getting caught by the next red lights while lacking your biker bonus of filtering.
Always be prepared to give up your right of way, always ride defensively, always assume cagers are actively trying to kill you! Filtering carefully is absolutely sensible and this video is a perfect example. I must admit I tend to go to the front but always feel out of place over the line if there is no bike box.
When she moves left to block your path you move right to pass her in the nice gap she's now created on her other side
1:01 We're not going to talk about the guy with the confederate flag on his helmet? Alright, I didn't see if it you all didn't!