TaylorMade P770, Titleist T200, Srixon ZX5 | Comparison Review Battle
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- In this video we take the 7-iron of 3 different iron sets and hit 10 shots with each one of them to do a side-by-side comparison of each iron. The three irons we will be comparing are the TaylorMade P770, the Titleist T200, and the Srixon ZX5. Which incidentally, are the top three irons I am currently considering for what is next to be in my bag. Remember, my reviews of golf clubs are always performed by an "average" golfer for all you average golfers, whether you're a single digit handicap or and mid-handicap or a high-handicap player. Grab yourself a bevvy, and enjoy this fun head-to-head-to-head battle of three incredible irons!If you are considering or have recently purchased any of these three irons, or if you have any questions, make sure and leave a comment below. As always, don't forget to pound that "THUMBS UP" button. If you aren't already a subscriber, be sure to smash that SUBSCRIBE button, and hit the bell for notifications!
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I would say the Srixon undoubtedly won in performance. You seem much too enamoured in how far it flew. ZX5 was pretty consistently mid 160s carry and 5000+ rpm with the highest apex. It would actually be able to hold a green. The P770 had some jumpers. One shot 169 carry and the next 189 with 2800rpm. That's basically hitting a "flier" off a perfect lie. The low spin, spin inconsistency, and shallow descent angles for the T200 and P770 should have ruled them out immediately. They also all had 1.34 smash factor, so if you swung the ZX5 as fast as P770 it would also close the distance gap. Perhaps you were running out of gas swinging ZX5 last and losing speed. Add those couple mph back and your average carry goes to ~170 with way better numbers everywhere else. Maybe cycle clubs every few shots in future tests.
They're all great irons though and could be dialed in with a proper fitting too. I'd be really concerned about those low spin fliers though. Sailing greens isn't fun and neither is always having to land short to let it roll up (sometimes you can't either), so for you, ZX5 seems like the clear choice from this test.
Note on the ZX4. Those wouldn't be something to compare to P770. ZX4 is solidly a game improvement iron. Wide sole, thick top line, fair bit of offset, and strong lofts (28.5° 7 iron). P770 is solidly a compact player's distance iron. ZX4 will be a rocket launcher though if you're looking for distance. Will be a nice long iron option for combo sets. Weaken the lofts to blend and reduce some offset that way too.
I ABSOLUTELY love your feedback. It’s unfair to carry over precious test results to this test here. But I know from previous testing that I can get much more acceptable spin numbers with the P770. That said, I also know I can get much tighter dispersion with the ZX5 than I did in this test. You’re right, although not as much as you believe, but I was (am) somewhat enamored with the distance on the P770. You’re also right that a flyer is no better to me than a duff. If it flies a green and goes OB or in a hazard, then what’s awesome distance even matter? I think no matter what I choose, a proper fitting will be absolutely necessary. It will all be something I continue to test and measure. But I value your feedback big time. Thanks Ed!
@@MattWilliamsGolf I don't think the distance discrepancy is a big as this test showed either though! If you got the spin of the P770 up to a more playable level it'll shave a few yards off and if you brought your speed up to match with the ZX5 it'll add a few yards, so the gap really narrows in that regard. The flier risk would definitely be concerning. The left/right dispersion is more on you,, but you're kinda helpless if one just jumps on you!
If you really like the profile of the P770, you should check out the new Apex Pros! They look stunning, same 33° loft 7 iron, forged hollow body design, tungsten and urethane inside, compact head. Probably the most direct competitor for P770 out right now. I'll still vouch for the true, unbiased fitting though!
@@EdReed20DB Yes, I cannot wait to test the Apex Pro’s (21). Then after a review of them, it would be a blast to do a head-to-head vs the P770.
Flyers are simply how perfect you hit the club. It has been proven by robot that no iron will just pull a flyer from midair. Flyers are a result of us humans.
Srixon for me....I’ve owned p770 and traded on the zx5. Much better consistency
You were looking for more spin. Srixon gave you the most spin. Seems like you are chasing distance with the other two. I know you said they performed better in the individual testing but these 3 were head to head on the same day. Dispersion wise, maybe alternating 5 swings with each club may yield different results. Seems like the Srixon could be dialed in a little better via a fitting. Had more spin at less loft than the P770 by a long shot.
Yeah, very valid points James. Perhaps on future head-to-head reviews, I’ll alternate shots more. Terrific idea. Your Chasing distance point is sort of accurate. But not merely “chasing distance”. I know I can dial in that 770 more on spin. It had the highest apex (which makes sense being that it’s the weakest lofted). I trust my ability to generate more spin with the 770 more so than I do my ability to generate a bit more distance with the ZX5. I think your points are all very valid. But I know I’m not merely pursuing the iron with the best carry. If so, I would have gone with the T200.
Agree with James. Srixon gave better average carry distance. No real flyers like the others.
@@jessehupko Yeah. On this day I would agree. But I also have gotten some varying results on prior testing. The one concern on P770 is flyers, as you pointed out.
Agreed and honestly Srixon read the best to me.
The distance dispersion, and center line, is why I chose Srixon. I was catching 15 yard gaps with everything else.
Yeah, check out my full review video (which I believe you did). The dispersion when I did my review of the ZX5 was the best I’ve ever had on any iron. Interestingly enough though, the dispersion was not nearly as good on the day I did this test. Golf is a funny game.
@@MattWilliamsGolf it is. Hopefully that doesn't show up for me. 😂😂. At sea level, I was 187,186,186, 186, 185 and had a 10 yard horizontal dispersion with the ZX5 .
I doo feel I was a little gassed by the time I tried P770 though...downer of a 1.5 hour fitting. I am sure I could have given it a better run. Like you said. All 3 were good.
Don't know what more you want from srixon...gave you the most spin and most consistent numbers and best dispersion front to back.. you just seemed to judge it all by distance
Yeah, I hear you. It’s sorta unfair. Because frankly, this review didn’t go quite the way I was planning. I feel like I can still stand by my own personal summary or thoughts based on this test. But I’ll be honest with you (and this is where the unfair part comes), some of my impressions are based on prior testing not filmed. And while not “chasing distance” when it comes to irons, obviously I want to consider all aspects, the distance that I would like to stay at on the ZX5’s just isn’t quite there. And while my ball striking wasn’t great for this one, I know my spin numbers with the P770 can be significantly higher. (For example, check out my comparison between P770 and Apex Pro.) You’re right though, so much about the entire package would make Srixon a great iron. And I’ll tell you this, I keep coming back to it. So something about it has me continually considering it.
@@MattWilliamsGolf I tested a bunch of clubs today and I unexpectedly walked out with Wilson Staffs cbs... not a cub I ever considered before but it gave me the best numbers in literary every category... was just wondering if you ever happened to test these your self. I unfortunately did not get to try the apex pro but honestly I couldn't see how it could gave me any better numbers so I pulled the plug
@@bryantpiper7220 Oh man, yeah. I haven’t officially tested them. But I am so stoked to do some vids on them. One for the iron itself. And then some head to head.
In my rigorous test for me using 7 irons of the following clubs (p770; p7mc; sx7; jpx921 tour; cobra forged tec - no titleist as did not have access to one left handed) for 5 consecutive rounds from different parts of the golf course and on different courses and conditions and shots with each club from the same spot one after another using my gamer ball, the results in order or performance (consistent distance and least drop off, feel, looks, great flight, stopping power on greens, tight east-west dispersion etc) were for me: 1. Jpx921; 2. P7mc; 3.srixon sx7; 4. P770; 5.cobra
Why would you want more distance on your irons. By far the best factor in irons is consistency.
I could score better with the zx5 all day. Better distance control. Usually direction is swing and or shaft. Former t200 owner. Current zx5 and i525. Sx5 pushed out 525 only and only thin shots retain exact same performance i525 losing too much
How would you compare the t200s vs the zx5
Man..I see what you are saying about the spin numbers. I am guessing that is why the distance dispersion was so crazy with the other clubs. Like...I was killing some of the other irons, but I would rather have the consistency.
I was slightly higher on smash and clubhead speed too though. I think you should definitely give the ZX7 a look from 7-PW. I wish I did. I hear they are still pretty forgiving.
All solid irons though tbh, and everyone has an iron that fits them best. Thanks for the review! 👊
Srixon is no1 in my book.
Yeah, I sure love Srixon. In all my testing (especially off camera), I just can't quite get the shot profile that I really am looking for. That said, you could make the argument that perhaps Srixon did in fact perform the best in this test. Golf equipment is so subjective. It's all about what the player feels in his/her hands and what they see with their eyes. But there's definitely a reason I keep trotting Srixon out, and its because I do indeed love them a lot!
I have the opposite problem, I can get the spin on my 7iron over 8500 when I’m not careful.
I hit the Srixons, Wilson staff and the TaylorMades. TM were the clear winners. Excited to try the Titleists eventually
Yeah, when I’m not swinging well, particularly when I’m too steep, my spin just dies.
Just got P770s and absolutely love them.
Yeah, they are an insanely popular pick right now! Good choice!
Looks like the distance dispersion was huge with the TM. By your reaction, however, it sounds like you like the feel of the face and the max distance. If you are hunting for spin, the TMs didn’t deliver.
Well.... the thing is, I know on previous testing that the P770 and T200 can both be in a spin profile that is good for me (5500ish). I can only attribute the fact they were not to my own ball striking wasn’t as great. Furthermore, with the weaker lofts of the TM, I feel like when I have my best ball striking happening, that the decent angle will also be very good. It’s not that I’m necessarily “chasing” distance. But the Srixon is just more of a drop off in distance than I want. So the tests and hunts continue.
P770 will definitely give you the spin. I am higher handicap and looking at the Sim 2s.
I just bought the Titleist T-200 5iron through pw, I also upgraded a few of my wedges from Cleveland to Vokey.
Sorry Callaway you don`t do it foe me anymore.
Absolutely excellent irons!
Same here. Just got the T-200 4-GW, TS2 Driver and 2H...used to play Callaway. Still great sticks but the Titleist are the 💣
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Ball speed for all three was within 2mph, spin with the P770 and T200 was a lot lower than the Srixon = more distance . If you add more spin at the same ball speed it will result in shorter distances. I would say the Srixons are the best fit, especially since the dispersion issues can be corrected by getting into a shaft with the correct weight and profile. To get what you’re looking for you need to find something with more ball speed than all three of those but with the same spin as the Srixon . Might I suggest you try the T300 if you haven’t already
Just watched your T300 review.... spin is bad for them with you,,, take the P770 and T200 and add 1.5 - 2* loft to increase your spin as see how that works.
Thanks John. Not an excuse, but certainly part of the reality of the situation is the fact that I am hitting crappy range balls that are wildly inconsistent in quality, firmness, etc. So that will skew the numbers indeed. Not sure if you watched the T300 long enough, but I did end up landing on some respectable (not mind blowing though) spin numbers on that one. The T300 isn't an iron I would consider gaming anyways. I've narrowed to the T200, P770, Apex Pro 21, and ZX5 irons. Appreciate the feedback.
@@MattWilliamsGolf what about the new ZX4 ? Hotter face than the ZX5 ... might be a little too GI though size wise. Really appreciate reviews by people with a more relatable game to mine , 6hcp with a little less SS than you (86mph 6i)
@@johndupuis7220 Yeah thanks John! That's why I do it.... And I'm looking forward to sharing a review of the ZX4, but I don't think it's the type of iron I'll be looking for. Like you said, its a GI iron, not really what I prefer. That said, once I test it, it could be interesting to see what a ZX5/ZX4 combo set could look like, using the 4 for 5i-4i. That could potentially be interesting.
@@MattWilliamsGolf just added a T200 5i and 6i to the bag , blended with T100s 7-GW , a little extra help in the long irons will be nice
Also, I saw a review on the ZX4 after my fitting. They aren't released at the time. They are bombers and chunky. But, I bet you could run a full set of Srixon combining forged, ZX7, 5, and 4.
Bro.... a whole combo set of 5, 7, and 4 could be sick!!!!! Only thing I’d be worried about dialing in would be gapping. But if that could be sorted out, it could be insane!
@@MattWilliamsGolf yea...would definitly need a good fitting, or the luxeries you have. The 4's BOMB! like...could probably choose them over the utility they offer if it fitted better.
@@MattWilliamsGolf Every review about their utilities has been a hard on....I prefer hybrids though.
T200. Looks - it won’t look like new for long. The back metal insert has the same integrity as a piece of aluminium foil. Great great club (performance wise) but a big no for me as I want my hard earned dollars to last more than a few rounds. They need to address this in the next release later this year.
All 3 iron sets are around £850 (including the Srixons) for a 6 iron set over here in the UK.
Srixon ZX4 will be a significantly larger iron at address than the likes of the P770.
All terrific stuff Steve. Thank you! Perhaps then the ZX4 won’t be a good fit for me.
No way I could play a 7 iron with the front to back dispersion you had with the TM. Or the spin of the TM or the titleist.
Yeah Frank, I agree. But I have other tests with it where the dispersion wasn’t nearly as bad. But that is the concern with the P770, is catching a flyer.
Strange to do a test with different shafts, range balls, and not just range balls but you switch to different types of range balls half way through. I can tell you for a fact that range balls are all very different from each other and they also perform very different than a premium ball you'd probably use on the course.
I can only work with what I got Kourt. I don’t have quite the freedom or setup to do it the way I would ideally like. When I do, I will. But it’s not like I’m not going to stop texting stuff until I do. Don’t sweat the small stuff. It’s still a fairly decent test to gather some info and results.
Do you really want to be hitting a 7i 200 yards? It out preformed the other clubs and went the distance it should have
The variation is due to you.
Shouldn’t the Taylormade s be p790s
I think you already made up your mind on the winner. It most likely effected your performance of the swings of the other two.
You made this video to just help you justify picking and going to the Taylormade. ??🤔
Just curious why you didn’t test the Srixon ZX7’s? I’m guessing you would get a little more spin due to slightly weaker loft.
At this point, I definitly wish I would have gone with a combo set in Srixon. I didn't even know about the ZX7 before my fitting.
Anthony, I most likely will test the ZX7’s. But I just haven’t yet. So I did the ZX5’s. Furthermore, I have a sneaky feeling (which I could be proven wrong soon) that the 7’s won’t be a good fit for me. Merely because it’s an iron that some tour players are playing (IE: Brooks Koepka), which means with my still fairly flawed, 8-handicap swing, that it might not be appropriate for me. We will find out soon though.
@@aaronnimz3807 Yeah, those two would make a terrific combo set I’m betting.
7 iron carrying 175 and rolling out 13 yards is a tough number to play. You might as well cut down a 3 iron and use that..same spin numbers as least
Yeah, again, it’s all about how I’m swinging that day, and becoming more consistent. This was frankly, not a great day. That said, there’s no way when landing on a green that they’re rolling out 13 yards. Even when striking it that poorly. In fact, I’m going to stop putting what track man says is total distance on the videos and only featuring Carry, Apex and RPM. That all said, I have some videos already posted where I can spin 7 iron 5500-6000 consistently when swinging it better. And another video coming soon that will demonstrate that too. Again, this just wasn’t the best ball striking day. But that’s why I share them anyways. To show what they can do when a player isn’t at their best, versus all the club reviewers out there that are scratch or plus handicaps that are fantastic ball strikers. At the end of the day, it’s sometimes nice to see how it can perform even when you’re not at your best.
@@MattWilliamsGolf I think those devices can be a great help, but in most circumstances they are very suspect. Retail stores, and reviewers set their conditional settings to favor an outcome to sell product and help manufacturers market a product. Not saying in any way that you are doing that. I consider your portrayal of the facts as true, but not everyone is. Sometimes the opposite is true as well, a few short months ago I was at Top Golf, I scoped out the course with my trusty rangefinder and let them fly...let me just state it was not even close, the data in the end. Example, I was launching my 6 iron at the 185 yard target, hitting the center target on the fly!! Turns out my carry was 155..according to their monitor, yet I was hitting the 🎯...not sure why it was doing that, could be I’m a lefty, I’ve always thought it was interesting that when setting up your profiles it doesn’t ask for dexterity..weird. I suppose it must be the largest laser coverage ever😂 then my son, also a lefty, and I had a long drive competition, where he won on the third drive, drove over the both mesh walls on the end into a parking lot, easily 290 carry, I could only clear the first mesh wall...monitor stated he hit his 225 yards..I rest my case☹️
@@billybastar4022 Yeah, I totally agree with most of what you’re saying. Couple thoughts in response..... 1. I wouldn’t compare launch monitor data in general to anything at Top Golf. That equipment has been so massively overused, plus there is regular calibration and servicing necessary that I would guess they don’t do. There’s just nothing I would call valid about Top Golf shot data. That’s like comparing your house’s value to the tax assessed value with the county, or saying that Zillow is accurate. 2. Launch monitors can be an incredible asset when they are maintained and set up correctly. They can provide unbelievable amounts of data that we simply never used to have. There are obviously better brands or monitors than others. But generally speaking, the data is absolutely amazing, and very accurate. That said, could there be times where the data isn’t 100% accurate? I believe so, but I also believe that a majority of the time it is very accurate. 3. You touched on another point that I think about all the time.... the “Settings”. I know for a fact that there are many different settings within launch monitor systems that can produce different results other than what you are actually producing. Just one of many examples: I ALWAYS leave the ball setting on a “Premium” ball. Now, as you might have noticed, I’m usually hitting range balls. How a range ball performs versus a brand new Titleist ProV1 performs, are two massively different things. I could justifiably (and even dare I say ethically) change the ball settings to one of the settings for a range ball, and can even change it more specifically to hard or soft range balls. That way, the launch monitor computer would somehow change the data to simulate what the results would be with a premium golf ball. I do not do that however for a couple reasons: I want to know what the actual results are, crappy range ball or not. I don’t want to see numbers and wonder if they are legit or not. As my swing continually improves, the only way I can tell how and if the adjustments are working is if I have the true and accurate data. I could give a much more thorough explanation, but let me circle back to your point. I think it’s very possible that golf equipment retailers alter their settings so that consumers think “holy crap, I hit this club so well. I have to buy this thing.” In fact, I don’t find it possible, I think in some cases it’s likely. I know that’s not the case in my situation however, because I change the settings myself before any review video I film. 4. But I do think that definitely goes on in the retail industry. Not to slam or make presumptions about online reviewers whom I don’t even know, but if I had to wager a guess, I would be willing to bet there is at least one high profile club reviewer out there who has altered their monitor settings to show a better result that perhaps what they might actually be producing. That’s just my speculation. I’m not going to say who. I doubt it’s rampant in the industry. I’m just saying I would bet that at least one or small handful of them out there do that. But again, I would guess they are the exception to the rule, certainly not the norm.
If I did a podcast, or just added some videos to this channel where I was talking about golf stuff in general, this is one topic I could do a whole hour on. But until then, I’ll just keep plugging along.
@@MattWilliamsGolf totally agree. I used Top Golf as an example of the industry as a whole. I am available for the podcast...would love to talk about the 298 yard Adams golf hybrid I hit at Golf Galaxy!! The 16 year old sales rep. Crapped his pants😂 like I said monitors 🤷
Shot 7 on 770
200 yards but 3000 spin.
The club was very inconsistent
Yeah, that’s very very fair Ken. But it just was a bad ball striking day. Catching flyers. Not generating spin. Just sucked. But I still shared the video because A. I don’t have the time to spend all that time filming only to scrap it all and re-shoot the rest another time. , and, B. If my swing was going to stink, then it was going to stink equally for all three irons across the board thereby giving me the ability to still compare characteristics of each iron. That said, I have tested the P770 many times and know I can generate much more appropriate spin numbers typically. For instance, this video is one such example: th-cam.com/video/wwPJ0wqcPic/w-d-xo.html . So I wasn’t personally alarmed by it, because of my previous testing. Which seems a little unfair of me to bring prior thoughts about an iron to an independent test like this one. But that’s pretty hard to do. Especially when you’re hitting shot after shot, looking at the results, scratching your head thinking “What the hell is going on here?” Lol
@@MattWilliamsGolf great review though
@@GolfRx Thank you!
Did you still feel like the Srixon had such a weird flight in comparison to the other 2? I have only used them in a sim.
Not once I put the KBS shaft in them. I’m convinced that ball flight issue was more shaft than iron.
able to compare against the '21 apex pro?
Yeah Todd. That will be coming very soon! A full review of the Apex Pro, and then a head to head with the Apex Pro, and I’m not sure what else yet. Probably the P770. We’ll see.
Distance control is the key to scoring. That occasional hot one wouldn't work for me.
Yeah, I totally agree. I tried to mention that too. That despite my love for the P770, most golfers would have to be pretty aware of the possibility of the occasional flyer.
Zx5 SERIOUSLY. 167 to 185 carry to carry and you can even evaluate. Can't get more human error than that!
Zx4 does compare in this category....waste of time