Steele’s is completely warranted. The cubs have had some really good pitching performances from their starters and they get like 1-2 runs from the offense. 2 runs doesn’t win a lot of games and the starters have kept them in games for the most part. Us Cubs fans know the bullpen is rough. Offense needs to wake up and get some runs to make up for the chance the bullpen might blow up in the later innings
Exactly, it's about showing respect. "Wake tf up" or "wtf are you doing" is saying you know they can do better. "You suck" is just negative, saying they suck and you don't expect anything better from them.
You're missing earlier in the Steele inning where he nabbed a comebacker to the mound and froze the runner between 2nd and 3rd. The infield then got him in a rundown and produced no outs. Inexcusable. And they allowed him to advance to third on that rundown. Literally lost an out and gave the Brewers third base.
Pete Crow-Armstrong can end up being the best fielder ever. No exaggeration. He was calling for that ball. Everyone needs to just get out of his way and let him cook. Also, in that inning, the Cubs had a guy picked off but Morel and Hoerner botched the run-down. It’s just been a demoralizing year for the Cubs. Total botch job. Botched toe. Frank Reynolds.
I can understand some baseball fans that call this sort of passion "anger issues", but it's more than that. For these players, baseball is all they know since they were kids. For them, it's how they make a living and they want to perform their very best in order to stay in the league as long as they can. When they try their absolute best, the adrenaline is just pumping and that passion shows when your in the zone. I'm okay with showing passion, but I do admit there are times when it can be overly excessive and Stroman's part here is 50/50 -- whether you know the context or not.
Anger issues. Whoever said that have no idea what they’re talking about. You didn’t even show the botched rundown on top of the other plays. The plays were awful for little leaguers and I’m a Cubs fan. Steele was being a leader there and it NEEDED to be said.
I feel like these situations get overblown, as long as Stro talks to the guys on the bench/ after the game and clarifies that he was just trying to get some juice flowing, was pissed that a run scored, and that they’re all cool, I’ve got no problem with it. But your teammates have to like you, if they don’t, problems are on the horizon.
I feel like the only time I ever emoted on the mound outside of a point and clap or a "lets go!" for a great play was pitching a shutout later in the season against a team that cut me during tryouts when I was 17. My brain was already on to solving the current situation and next batter. No use lingering on a bad play and showing guys up is asking for them to press or say FU and make another mistake.
@Trevor Bro I miss seeing you in Games!!! I love your content but miss you pitching. I may not of been fans of the teams you played for but I was and will always be your FAN. I soooo Wished you would have played for Boston I would have cried if we had ever had the brains to sign you! Edit for My dumb Typos..
I obviously never played at the level you did, but you do see pitcher yelling at their position player teammates all the time, but I can't think of a single time I saw a position player get upset with a pitcher over a bad start or bad relief outing. I understand that a pitcher has a lot more riding on them every time they go out there, but it does seem kind of one sided. Pitchers seem to expect this sort of perfection from their teammates when they themselves often find it hard to throw strikes, throw quality strikes, restrict hard contact, etc, all of which makes the position player's job harder. When you say the dugout thought he took Vladdy's speed for granted, did you mean that he didn't transfer the ball quickly or he just didn't put enough mustard on the throw? To me it looked like he turned it fine, the throw could be considered a little slow, but nothing egregious. It was kind of just one of those slow developing double play opportunities that sometimes just don't end up working out.
I could tell Justin Steele has been super pissed lately and I don't blame him. The Cubs playing has been super embarrassing lately. (And before anyone else says it yeah yeah yeah I know it's the Cubs, dumping on the Cubs is so original).
The folks crying about Steele, waiting until he's in the dugout to say anything, have never played at a high level. The error could cost him his job or bonuses. Millions of dollars are on the line. Especially for the borderline journeyman guys.
Why do MLB fans dislike players showing emotion on plays? Tom Brady and Payton Manning yelled at there teammates all the time on the field. I remember Tom Brady yelling catch the damn ball you could hear it on TV. 😂I just think it helps grow fanbase if players could show more emotion. I like it happening in the moment it is better. Waiting until your off the field just makes the guy yelling look crazy. As long as the emotions doesn't turn into insults. WAKE UP ,THROW THE BALL, WTF ARE YOU DOING OUT THERE all good.
I think it is rooted in the fact that the game is so old and the way people thought back then were different. Then it just stuck like a genetic trait. That being said Hockey and Football/Soccer is old to. Idk, it could be a lot of fans got the bat stuck in their butt.
I'm stro's example: So if you screw up at work, you're cool if the boss and your coworkers start yelling at you like that, AND in front of customers? I doubt it. You just don't do it. It's called handling things like professionals and acting like grown men who know how to manage themselves. You go yelling at your teammates like that and they'll start hating you, you become a clubhouse cancer and next thing you know, you're packing your bags and wondering why. You gotta keep your cool and handle things later.
Obviously I'm not a guy on the team so who cares what I say, lol, but: I'm not sure I get the distinction form in the dugout vs on the field. I mean, what's even the difference?? Now, I think both looked pretty bad, but if I had to pick one that's worse, it's the one in the dugout. When it's on the field you can at least say it was just an emotion reaction in the heat of the moment. When you start flaring up after the fact, it's calculated and shows you've been hanging onto it. He had to at least get through an additional batter after that, lol. Also, Steele's looked significantly more intense/angrier.
@@Fly-The-W Nah, I don't think this feels very honest. I think you're just a Cubs fan who is equally upset, lol. He didn't have "much more reason." Both players saw their teams blow games. And I know that the Cubs were in a division fight earlier in the year and have fell out of it hard. But the Yankees are still in the thick of a fight on their side too. It's not just losing teams who have 'the right' to get angry.
Am I the only one thinking it wasn't that egregious of a mistake by Torres? He basically threw it as soon as he caught it, but going by Stroman's reaction you would think he was taking his sweet time throwing it, but it looked like an instant catch and throw to me.
Torres has become the Yankees fanbases’ scapegoat. He gets the blame for everything, no matter what. It was a good transfer, and even statcast and other sites had it labeled as an above average transfer. It was a slow hit ball and an awkward underhand.
Had no idea you were so freaking funny. You always seemed really serious and hard nosed on the mound. Watching you as a Met fan, your arms had more sweat than a racehorse before the Belmont. Did it affect your grip on the ball?
Hey Trevor! What’s up I was just wondering would you do something like Trevor Bauer is doing in Mexico? I mean play in Mexico and dominate the league hahahaha
I feel like these situations get overblown, as long as Stro talks to the guys on the bench/ after the game and clarifies that he was just trying to get some juice flowing, was pissed that a run scored, and that they’re all cool, I’ve got no problem with it. But your teammates have to like you, if they don’t, problems are on the horizon.
I think Stroman's general message of show some intensity is something fans have been asking for over the last couple years.
Yeah it is too slow like that error by the second baseman going towards the first baseman like my guy a tee baller makes that
Steele’s is completely warranted. The cubs have had some really good pitching performances from their starters and they get like 1-2 runs from the offense. 2 runs doesn’t win a lot of games and the starters have kept them in games for the most part. Us Cubs fans know the bullpen is rough. Offense needs to wake up and get some runs to make up for the chance the bullpen might blow up in the later innings
Exactly, it's about showing respect. "Wake tf up" or "wtf are you doing" is saying you know they can do better. "You suck" is just negative, saying they suck and you don't expect anything better from them.
You're missing earlier in the Steele inning where he nabbed a comebacker to the mound and froze the runner between 2nd and 3rd. The infield then got him in a rundown and produced no outs. Inexcusable. And they allowed him to advance to third on that rundown. Literally lost an out and gave the Brewers third base.
Steele just said what we've all been thinking
Then pitchers have to be ready for the fielders to show emotion when the pitchers screw up. Such as not getting to first, or not backing up a base.
Pete Crow-Armstrong can end up being the best fielder ever. No exaggeration. He was calling for that ball. Everyone needs to just get out of his way and let him cook. Also, in that inning, the Cubs had a guy picked off but Morel and Hoerner botched the run-down. It’s just been a demoralizing year for the Cubs. Total botch job. Botched toe. Frank Reynolds.
I love how baseball has like an agreed upon lore behind it that impacts the ways players express themselves
Kirby and Gilbert have got to be THE most annoyed pitchers with their teammates this year. Seriously.
Justin Steele and his 2.95 ERA with 1 win on the season is right there
I can understand some baseball fans that call this sort of passion "anger issues", but it's more than that. For these players, baseball is all they know since they were kids. For them, it's how they make a living and they want to perform their very best in order to stay in the league as long as they can. When they try their absolute best, the adrenaline is just pumping and that passion shows when your in the zone. I'm okay with showing passion, but I do admit there are times when it can be overly excessive and Stroman's part here is 50/50 -- whether you know the context or not.
And when you've been playing all your life, esp pitchers, you KNOW you can't lose your crap on the field like that.
when I was frustrated with my fielders when they thew the ball back to me I would catch it bare handed. to show them look I can catch it bare handed
Anger issues. Whoever said that have no idea what they’re talking about. You didn’t even show the botched rundown on top of the other plays. The plays were awful for little leaguers and I’m a Cubs fan. Steele was being a leader there and it NEEDED to be said.
I feel like these situations get overblown, as long as Stro talks to the guys on the bench/ after the game and clarifies that he was just trying to get some juice flowing, was pissed that a run scored, and that they’re all cool, I’ve got no problem with it.
But your teammates have to like you, if they don’t, problems are on the horizon.
It’s life or death for me too, difference is I play men’s softball and 40 year old men who drink too much beer can be pretty soft sometimes
Hey Trevor, could you make a video on how travel works as a player?
I feel like the only time I ever emoted on the mound outside of a point and clap or a "lets go!" for a great play was pitching a shutout later in the season against a team that cut me during tryouts when I was 17. My brain was already on to solving the current situation and next batter. No use lingering on a bad play and showing guys up is asking for them to press or say FU and make another mistake.
@Trevor Bro I miss seeing you in Games!!! I love your content but miss you pitching. I may not of been fans of the teams you played for but I was and will always be your FAN. I soooo Wished you would have played for Boston I would have cried if we had ever had the brains to sign you!
Edit for My dumb Typos..
I liked plouffe’s take on this - only pitchers do this
Thank you trev youv been helping me get better at pitching
Thanks Mr.May, great insight takes!
I obviously never played at the level you did, but you do see pitcher yelling at their position player teammates all the time, but I can't think of a single time I saw a position player get upset with a pitcher over a bad start or bad relief outing. I understand that a pitcher has a lot more riding on them every time they go out there, but it does seem kind of one sided. Pitchers seem to expect this sort of perfection from their teammates when they themselves often find it hard to throw strikes, throw quality strikes, restrict hard contact, etc, all of which makes the position player's job harder.
When you say the dugout thought he took Vladdy's speed for granted, did you mean that he didn't transfer the ball quickly or he just didn't put enough mustard on the throw? To me it looked like he turned it fine, the throw could be considered a little slow, but nothing egregious. It was kind of just one of those slow developing double play opportunities that sometimes just don't end up working out.
I'm not a Yanks fan, but even they complain about Gleybar on defense. Standard stats, peripheral stats, he's just not a good defensive 2nd.
Very overrated player coming from a Yankees fan until he gets a manager that holds him accountable for his lack of effort at times he will be trash
stroman had enough of gleyber and hes only been on the team for a few months lmao... we've been dealing with his lack of effort for years.
I could tell Justin Steele has been super pissed lately and I don't blame him. The Cubs playing has been super embarrassing lately. (And before anyone else says it yeah yeah yeah I know it's the Cubs, dumping on the Cubs is so original).
Fielders want some fire. Just don’t be the pitcher who is then late to the bag on grounder to first or late backing up third cause you got lit up.
The folks crying about Steele, waiting until he's in the dugout to say anything, have never played at a high level. The error could cost him his job or bonuses. Millions of dollars are on the line. Especially for the borderline journeyman guys.
Why do MLB fans dislike players showing emotion on plays? Tom Brady and Payton Manning yelled at there teammates all the time on the field. I remember Tom Brady yelling catch the damn ball you could hear it on TV. 😂I just think it helps grow fanbase if players could show more emotion. I like it happening in the moment it is better. Waiting until your off the field just makes the guy yelling look crazy. As long as the emotions doesn't turn into insults. WAKE UP ,THROW THE BALL, WTF ARE YOU DOING OUT THERE all good.
I think it is rooted in the fact that the game is so old and the way people thought back then were different. Then it just stuck like a genetic trait. That being said Hockey and Football/Soccer is old to. Idk, it could be a lot of fans got the bat stuck in their butt.
I agree that those fans should relax.
I'm stro's example: So if you screw up at work, you're cool if the boss and your coworkers start yelling at you like that, AND in front of customers? I doubt it. You just don't do it. It's called handling things like professionals and acting like grown men who know how to manage themselves. You go yelling at your teammates like that and they'll start hating you, you become a clubhouse cancer and next thing you know, you're packing your bags and wondering why. You gotta keep your cool and handle things later.
@davidbenkert1062 For me, his could have been different.
@@MickeyMo600 agreed!
They just disappointed because they play with professionals and expect perfection. Winning is a hell of a drug
I love your hat!
whats the A's hat your wearing?
Is disagree that Torres took his time with the ball. The play looked routine and there was morning wrong with what Torres. The transfer was good.
"Differnce"
You won!
What hats are you wearing, I like the material, i would like to get one
The Cubs defense and bullpen have been screwing Steele all year he has a right to be frustrated
Trevor, your the best
Obviously I'm not a guy on the team so who cares what I say, lol, but:
I'm not sure I get the distinction form in the dugout vs on the field. I mean, what's even the difference??
Now, I think both looked pretty bad, but if I had to pick one that's worse, it's the one in the dugout.
When it's on the field you can at least say it was just an emotion reaction in the heat of the moment. When you start flaring up after the fact, it's calculated and shows you've been hanging onto it. He had to at least get through an additional batter after that, lol.
Also, Steele's looked significantly more intense/angrier.
He had much more reason to be mad though. Plus if you know him and what the cubs had been going through it was completely warranted and needed
@@Fly-The-W Nah, I don't think this feels very honest. I think you're just a Cubs fan who is equally upset, lol. He didn't have "much more reason." Both players saw their teams blow games.
And I know that the Cubs were in a division fight earlier in the year and have fell out of it hard. But the Yankees are still in the thick of a fight on their side too. It's not just losing teams who have 'the right' to get angry.
Yankees are 4-12 over the last 16 lol
... And the Stro-man got torched today. It comes back on you...
Am I the only one thinking it wasn't that egregious of a mistake by Torres? He basically threw it as soon as he caught it, but going by Stroman's reaction you would think he was taking his sweet time throwing it, but it looked like an instant catch and throw to me.
Because you don't watch him everyday
Torres has become the Yankees fanbases’ scapegoat. He gets the blame for everything, no matter what. It was a good transfer, and even statcast and other sites had it labeled as an above average transfer. It was a slow hit ball and an awkward underhand.
Use this comment as a like button if Stroman has you blocked on Twitter
Guess he doesn't block anyone lol
@@User-b9q2z eh just tweet him once, you’ll join a long list my brotha
Hi Trevor
What up Chuck.
Had no idea you were so freaking funny. You always seemed really serious and hard nosed on the mound. Watching you as a Met fan, your arms had more sweat than a racehorse before the Belmont. Did it affect your grip on the ball?
Best reliever of all time that also knows CourageJD
Unfortunately, I think Jack also know Clay Holmes.... so 2nd aint bad?
Steele gets screwed all the time poor dude
*DEFERENS
That’s the play stromans made at? Yeah he’s a clown
I feel like you're underestimating how well-known you are by putting "ex-pitcher" in the title here
8 years 450 innings, 33 saves, ranked in top 100 prospects at one point. He's very much a MLB pitcher more than most
Your rich
facts?
@@TrevorMayBaseball yes
@@TrevorMayBaseball you should do a cyber truck bud like every other rich person on the internet and throw your balls at it
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Lmao i hope one of Steele's teammates "lets him know they want to win" the next time he gives up a homer or 5 hits in an inning
Letting up a home run to major league talent is NOT the same as 4 defensive misplays in one half inning. You’re better than that. Cmon.
Steele could throw a no hitter and the cubs will still find a way to lose
Hey Trevor!
What’s up I was just wondering would you do something like Trevor Bauer is doing in Mexico? I mean play in Mexico and dominate the league hahahaha
I feel like these situations get overblown, as long as Stro talks to the guys on the bench/ after the game and clarifies that he was just trying to get some juice flowing, was pissed that a run scored, and that they’re all cool, I’ve got no problem with it.
But your teammates have to like you, if they don’t, problems are on the horizon.