@@TrevorMayBaseball Legends will say long after he has died. He will see this comment and still Issue it a ball even though all those many years before.. That nice call was right on the money.
As a Tigers' fan, Galarraga's near perfect game still hurts. Jim Joyce handled it with class all the way though, and I never hear anyone bad-mouth him over it.
I think it’s the way he owned it, and was visibly upset over it. As opposed to say Joe West who basically doubled down when he tossed Boone over the fan shouting!
@@nateshear8150 No they didn't. Where are you getting that from? Rob Manfred said he didn't want to do it because it would open a "Pandora's box" of historical claims.
I doubt you’ll see this comment but: I think umpires should be given a heads up display inside of their masks that projects each players strike zone. Umps can adjust the zones pregame to fit their style but it would mean 100% consistency. I don’t think the tech is too advanced or even really that hard to implement, it would just take some time and probably lots of money (which I know automatically makes implementing this idea impossible)
The robo zone is much easier than that and gives the same result so makes more sense to continue testing that. Hopefully the challenge system will be ready sooner than later
Dude, your videos have been getting better and better. Kinda wish this one was longer. You had me dialed in and then it just ended abruptly. You’re a funny guy Mr. May. Keep ‘em coming.
In the quaint town of Sweetville, nestled between rolling hills and flourishing raspberry fields, baseball wasn't just a pastime; it was a way of life. The town's heart beat to the rhythm of bat cracks and cheering crowds at Sweetville Stadium, a charmingly old-fashioned ballpark where families gathered every Sunday to watch the Sweetville Cardinals. The Cardinals had a secret weapon: their star pitcher, Trevor "Fastball" May, whose throws were so fast they seemed to blur the line between reality and magic. But Trevor had a secret of his own, one that not even his closest teammates knew. Before every game, Trevor would visit the town's beloved bakery, Kringle's Corner, to pick up a raspberry kringle-a delicious, flaky pastry filled with sweet raspberry jam. Owned by the ever-jolly Mrs. Kringle, the bakery was a cornerstone of Sweetville. Mrs. Kringle, with her round spectacles and flour-dusted apron, had an uncanny ability to bake pastries that brought good luck. The townsfolk swore by her creations, attributing everything from winning lottery tickets to surprise engagements to her legendary raspberry kringle. One sunny Sunday morning, as the Cardinals prepared to face their arch-rivals, the Mountainville Bears, Trevor felt an unusual flutter of nerves. Determined to keep his winning streak alive, he made his way to Kringle's Corner. Mrs. Kringle greeted him with her usual warmth, sliding a freshly baked raspberry kringle across the counter. "This one's extra special, Trevor," she said with a wink. "I've added a pinch of magic just for you." Trevor chuckled, not entirely sure if she was joking but grateful for the sentiment. He took a big bite, savoring the sweet, tart flavor that seemed to dance on his tongue, filling him with an inexplicable confidence. As the game began, the stadium buzzed with excitement. The Bears were formidable opponents, and the game was intense from the first pitch. Trevor's fastballs were sharper than ever, slicing through the air like a hot knife through butter. But it wasn't until the final inning, with the score tied and the bases loaded, that the real magic happened. With two outs and a full count, Trevor wound up for his final pitch. As he released the ball, it felt different, lighter somehow. The ball seemed to shimmer as it hurtled towards home plate, leaving everyone, including the batter, momentarily spellbound. The batter swung and missed, the ball landing with a satisfying thud in the catcher's mitt. The crowd erupted in cheers as the Cardinals celebrated their victory. Trevor, panting but ecstatic, couldn't help but think of Mrs. Kringle's words. Maybe there really was a pinch of magic in that raspberry kringle. From that day on, the legend of the magical raspberry kringle spread through Sweetville. Players and fans alike made it a pre-game ritual to visit Kringle's Corner, hoping to get a taste of that extraordinary pastry. And Mrs. Kringle, with a twinkle in her eye, continued to bake her special treats, knowing that sometimes, all it took was a little bit of magic to turn an ordinary game into an unforgettable story.
two things...the TV screen overlay for strike zone is NOT what MLB uses to officially grade an umpire. It is for "informational purposes only" and varies from home team to visiting booths. You are right, in the old days, when we weren't being checked by a computer, we could "reward a pitcher" for "hitting his spots".
Good timing on the video. Huge call in first game in CWS. Think this is part of the reason baseball is great. 200+ calls 60+ plays, all lead to the outcome of the game. Everyone trying to do their best. One team wins at the end and the umpires always lose. Helps teach us life lessons. I Love Baseball
The Galaraga blown perfect game broke my heart. I was touched by Joyce's apology and actually crying about it because he knew how big of a deal it was. The touchy feelings went away after rewatching the blown call. Sure, I make a mistake or two a year, but at the highest level of the best game on earth, you gotta be good in the clutch moments, just like the great players. Great video. Bucknor was horrible too. Never hear of the Raspberry Kringle. Sounds fantastic.
Angel Hernandez's strike zone apparently consisted of two vertical rectangles at each side of the plate, everything else outside of that was a ball, even through the middle of the plate
You've quickly climbed the mountain of becoming one of my favorite content creators. Perfect balance of education, rationalism, and great freakin' humor. Your personality is gold, brother.
I remember when he tried to sue the league for not picking him for the world series and the independent firm basically said, They're justified because you are statistically one of the worst behind the plate.
Angel Hernandez has actually been described as an amazing person. My grandfather grew up and lived in Miami his whole life as a Yankee fan (because no Florida teams existed yet), and when the Marlins made it to the 03 World Series, Angel was actually able to get my Grandfather the tickets to go to game (I think) 5 in Miami! He didn't even really know him personally, Angel just wanted to help! So my grandfather always has a soft spot for Angel Hernandez because even though he sucks, he is a great guy! Just in case you're wondering, my grandfather, despite being a die hard Yankee fan his entire life, routed for the Marlins because he grew up in Miami and the Marlins had 1 World Series win at the time, and the Yankees had like 2000.
Raspberry Kringle. Interesting breakdown of umpiring through the years to give more context how we view umpires today. I was talking with a few friends recently after news of Angel Hernandez retiring, and I remember saying to them that CB Bucknor just lost his best shield from criticism. Regardless, I agree with your sentiment that everyone on the field is, for the most part, just trying to do their job to the best of their ability.
Pitch FX is just for the show, and people who don't know crap will get upset, because they believe. Here is the rule that it can not possibly get exactly right, only by accident. "The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter’s stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball." That machine has no bloody idea when that occurs, and only the umpire knows what Strike Zone has been determined. So the machine can't tell where is the top and the bottom of the zone. It is only good to judge the sides. Yeah, Maddux "choose" the right era to pitch.
raspberry kringle! dude you are so funny your videos always have me laughing! keep up the good work! first heard you on the rose rotation (would love to see you there again!) but your own channel is awesome thanks for the content!
As someone who actually hates baseball (lol), I've known of Angel for YEARS. To the extent that I've known him and pretty much only him for the last decade plus and no one else within the MLB, and that should tell you something. He's a household time well beyond any who even give a second of time in a day to the sport let alone MLB. So you definitely can say he is the infamous MLB umpire in history for sure, no contest. He's a entire brand at this point. And that is due to his overall attitude, short fuse and just refusing to own up to his mistakes most of the time clashing with egos when a manager or player calls him out on his shit. That infamy fed his tendency to seek out that kind of recognition. Thus, everyone knows who he is.
It’s not just that Angel misses calls but he’s just unpleasant to be behind the plate. He doubles down when he’s wrong. Sure, he may not be the most inaccurate but that’s why people will remember him as one of the worst.
I only just found this channel due to recommendation. I have to say, you were great to watch play, but this may be your actual calling. You had me rolling the whole video.
During Covid, the SNY crew called Mets games using MLB the Show 20. They discussed the umpire subject and one point brought up was that come players changed their stance throughout a game like Rod Carew for example. Another thing that I feel has hurt umpire accuracy are guys like Jeff Mathis who are excellent pitch framers and the umpire at times goes off of where the catcher is positioned.
You had already gotten my sub for a great video about halfway through, especially since I well remember your playing career. Then you said it's still "too soon" still for Season 8 of Thrones. (For those that don't know, the finale of the show was May 19, 2019. We had a whole-ass pandemic since Game of Thrones ended.) I'm pretty sure I'll follow you anywhere after that. Bravo, Sir. :)
There is solid intel out there that his new focal point has become a book and potential movie deal. Richard Gere has offered an early hat in the ring to star in his role. Im guessing this helped out his early retirement. Of course this is hearsay, but it adds up.
For the Maddox pitches, the camera is skewed so far to the right side of the pitcher, I don't think it is clear if, or how far off, the pitches were off the plate. And that 'little box' is at best an approximation. But otherwise...
I remember pitching in the 80’s and the strike zone changed the entire game every game depending on the size of the hitter. Armpits to just below the knees. It was hard to get short players out 😂😂😂 imagine if that was the case now…with HitTracks
Back in my day as a catcher, it was consistent. If the Blue was gonna give you outside low, that's where you went and then see how far he was gonna give you. You only got pissed if he all of a sudden decided he wasn't going to give it. It was about consistency. I for one am against Robo Umpires. Maybe playoffs. We have to have one thing left to yell at the TV for. It's half the fun.
Truly Wish I could've caught a game with you at the mound in Oakland. You seem like one of those dudes that plays the sport and you know you're good but you somehow stay grounded. Signed, A Giants Fan.
I think the more frustrating things with umpiring these days is the lack of accountability, especially when it comes to how often guys are getting tossed over nothing.
The human error factors into everyone's life. I love it in sports. It gives the losing team's fan base a reason to say they lost but should've won and it keeps us riled up for the next game and the next. I don't think people who want the umps out are thinking about the sport as much as a true fan of the game in all respects. Raspberry crinkle
Jose Bautista once expressed his dissatisfaction with umpires by saying the game is hard enough, adding that what bothers him most is how his stats are negatively affected by mediocre performances from others. I don't know your stance on robo calls, but if I was a pitcher whose livelihood is predicated on doing a job well, I'd go bat-shit nuts if I was demoted due to bad calls. What say you?
ANY Greg Maddox game you will likely see a very generous strike zone in favor of him. That's what made him great. He consistently got 20+ inch wide strike zone for most of his career.
It really doesn’t help that different broadcasts can have different strike zones on tv for the same game. And then the pitch tracker on the mlb app is different. I constantly get texts from my friend saying the ump completely missed a strike that’s so far outside and then the app says the ball clipped the zone. I consistency in pitch tracking also creates people getting upset and reactionary.
If umpiring is as bad as its ever been then so is baseball. Strikeouts are at an all time high and .230 is considered decent. Starting pitchers don't go more than 5 innings and Elbows are falling off. Umpires are all in the 90% with their accuracy so I'd say its pretty good. If anyone thinks its easy I suggest jumping your local highschool team and see how you do.
wait that commentator really said "you gotta be SHAVING me" edit: as a big yankees fan, I apologize for those of us that threw chicken tenders at you. What really doesn't makes sense about that is each chicken tender is like $6 at the Stadium, seems like an expensive projectile choice
It's not at all a defense of Angel, but there is something to be said about the guidelines and parameters [but not the written rules] of umpiring changing year after year and expecting the men in the masks to not go insane. The strike zone has definitively shrunk twice in my life, possibly three times, and it's never been addressed. The league uses goldilocks balls at random. Exact tie once went to the runner, but now the ball has to be in the back of the glove despite that not actually being a rule.
I also notice that catchers in the 90s and 2000s were just a little better at framing too, so it never felt egregious when they call something off the plate
Just once I’d like to see more than Eric Gregg’s raspberry Kringle videos (strike zone about the size of a football red zone) from the 90s as indicators of the old strike zone, and oh yeah, I highly suggest you credit videos you use, like Foolish Baseball’s usage of the Maddux game
I think the worst umpires are the ones that make tense situations worse and antagonize players and coaches. I dont want to see a quick hook on a guy when hes pointing out a shitty call. Granted some players and coaches go overboard but an ump should be difusing the situation. Thats the part of angel that bugged me the most..
11:49 - I lost it completely here....... I don't want to see a strike-ball challenge thing because they will be held back til the end of the game and radically change the strikezone as it was called in the earlier part of the game. As long as they are consistent
Raspberry Kringle??! ..That sounds delicious! I was at that Phillies game last year, when Angel tossed Harper. Even from the LF stands, we could tell Harper checked his swing
Great explanation. Thanks for this. As a former referee (not baseball), I take exception by default with the never-ending criticism of those doing the best they can in a difficult situation. As a Tigers fan, I’ve even defended Jim Joyce. (Though I’m not sure what he was looking at on *that* call.) That said… Hernandez is horrendous. I have no idea why he was allowed to umpire at the highest levels for so long. He doesn’t even seem to care how bad he is, and good officials all take great pride in “getting it right.”
Its unpires feeling like they're infallible... If they actually admitted to mistakes IN GAME instead of the multiple examples you gave where an ump messed up and simply made it worse by choice, it would be easier to deal with. But theyre a service to the game, not THE game. So if there are more efficient ways to service the game without adding power to a person who has trouble dealing with their emotions, it needs to be done to keep the integrity of the game with its actual players.
Prior to all of the advances in technology MLB only asked plate umpires to be consistent within “their” zone as long as their zone is not unreasonable. With the new technology the training of umpires has resulted in the strike zone being more uniform from umpire to umpire.
Umpire's dont understand , its not the mistake so much as it is how you handle yourself after you've made the mistake . Jim Joyce comes to mind what a classy great umpire.
The funny thing is Angel really looks the part. Handsome, in great shape. He’s the umpire from Central Casting. He just wasn’t very good at this. The ball and strike calling in the 80’s and 90’s was BRUTAL. Every ump had his own zone. It is better now.
He was bad at balls/strikes, worse at safe/out, and mishandled so many grey area judgement calls with a punk-ass ironic sort of smug abuse of authority type attitude. Nobody will ever be as hated as Angel Hernandez and it took MLB way too long to finally pay him to retire.
Jim Joyce can say everything he wants to now but that dude did that intentionally and wanted to rob G of that game because no human on earth with a decent conscience can believe he didn’t go into that play dying to call a panther safe. JJ is a disgrace the absolute disgrace of MLB
Umpires should be employed by the MLB directly, paid well and have all of the benefits they have now. But they should not have a union to protect them from getting canned.
Here's a counter argument to "their just people out here trying to do their job". I wish i could be the literal worst at my job and have my boss pay me 6 figures for years just to consistently be shit at my job. Everyone wishes for that at yet these old fucks got to do it for years with no punishment. They sat around were bad got 6 figures for years and a 401k. Thats wild.
I honestly believe that the Erig Gregg game (Livan Hernandez vs the Braves) was from money being bet on the game. Greg Maddux was great at getting calls just off the plate, but Livan was getting calls literally in the other batter's box and if you watch the game those calls are only going against the Braves and not against the Marlins.
Baseball Doesnt Exist pretty well defended Angell in their video. The problem with Angel was when he made a bad call, it was beyond forgivable at how atrocious the call was.
So excited it's 5x Baseball time and not just 3x, especially if it involves roasting Angel (and GoT finale). Thanks for the Raspberry Kringle, love when my local Trader Joe's has them!
Will be on the lookout for a raspberry kringle...not sure I've ever tried it before. BTW, a video on how Greg Maddux picked apart the game would be awesome.
It took Angel two attempts to resign. The first one he signed his name 6 inches off the official signature line.
Nice
@@TrevorMayBaseball Legends will say long after he has died. He will see this comment and still Issue it a ball even though all those many years before.. That nice call was right on the money.
😂
Non-sequitur, but ever notice that resigned and resigned are spelled the same but mean polar opposites?
@@spddieselsupposed to be a hyphen in re-signs (as in signing again) though
Glad you’re educating the youngsters. The strike zone was a totally different shape in the 90’s. Thing was a landscape rectangle.
And each umpire had their own strike zone
Yes in the 90’s we knew from the knee to the chest was being called a strike as long as it wasn’t outside or too far inside
@@shanewoods1980which like, when did it change? Cuz I’m pretty sure it never officially changed 😂😂😂. So like WTF?
In 1979, the umpires thought they went on strike, but it was actually a ball. They were clearly outside.
oof
I love that you're breaking this down in a calm, straightforward manner, with just the right amount of humor.
As a Tigers' fan, Galarraga's near perfect game still hurts. Jim Joyce handled it with class all the way though, and I never hear anyone bad-mouth him over it.
I think it’s the way he owned it, and was visibly upset over it. As opposed to say Joe West who basically doubled down when he tossed Boone over the fan shouting!
MLB has the ability to overturn the call and give him credit for a perfect game!
@@22shroomsterthey did
@@nateshear8150 cool
@@nateshear8150 No they didn't. Where are you getting that from? Rob Manfred said he didn't want to do it because it would open a "Pandora's box" of historical claims.
I doubt you’ll see this comment but: I think umpires should be given a heads up display inside of their masks that projects each players strike zone. Umps can adjust the zones pregame to fit their style but it would mean 100% consistency. I don’t think the tech is too advanced or even really that hard to implement, it would just take some time and probably lots of money (which I know automatically makes implementing this idea impossible)
The robo zone is much easier than that and gives the same result so makes more sense to continue testing that. Hopefully the challenge system will be ready sooner than later
Dude, your videos have been getting better and better. Kinda wish this one was longer. You had me dialed in and then it just ended abruptly. You’re a funny guy Mr. May. Keep ‘em coming.
agree i like his style and hes funny
In the quaint town of Sweetville, nestled between rolling hills and flourishing raspberry fields, baseball wasn't just a pastime; it was a way of life. The town's heart beat to the rhythm of bat cracks and cheering crowds at Sweetville Stadium, a charmingly old-fashioned ballpark where families gathered every Sunday to watch the Sweetville Cardinals.
The Cardinals had a secret weapon: their star pitcher, Trevor "Fastball" May, whose throws were so fast they seemed to blur the line between reality and magic. But Trevor had a secret of his own, one that not even his closest teammates knew. Before every game, Trevor would visit the town's beloved bakery, Kringle's Corner, to pick up a raspberry kringle-a delicious, flaky pastry filled with sweet raspberry jam.
Owned by the ever-jolly Mrs. Kringle, the bakery was a cornerstone of Sweetville. Mrs. Kringle, with her round spectacles and flour-dusted apron, had an uncanny ability to bake pastries that brought good luck. The townsfolk swore by her creations, attributing everything from winning lottery tickets to surprise engagements to her legendary raspberry kringle.
One sunny Sunday morning, as the Cardinals prepared to face their arch-rivals, the Mountainville Bears, Trevor felt an unusual flutter of nerves. Determined to keep his winning streak alive, he made his way to Kringle's Corner. Mrs. Kringle greeted him with her usual warmth, sliding a freshly baked raspberry kringle across the counter.
"This one's extra special, Trevor," she said with a wink. "I've added a pinch of magic just for you."
Trevor chuckled, not entirely sure if she was joking but grateful for the sentiment. He took a big bite, savoring the sweet, tart flavor that seemed to dance on his tongue, filling him with an inexplicable confidence.
As the game began, the stadium buzzed with excitement. The Bears were formidable opponents, and the game was intense from the first pitch. Trevor's fastballs were sharper than ever, slicing through the air like a hot knife through butter. But it wasn't until the final inning, with the score tied and the bases loaded, that the real magic happened.
With two outs and a full count, Trevor wound up for his final pitch. As he released the ball, it felt different, lighter somehow. The ball seemed to shimmer as it hurtled towards home plate, leaving everyone, including the batter, momentarily spellbound. The batter swung and missed, the ball landing with a satisfying thud in the catcher's mitt.
The crowd erupted in cheers as the Cardinals celebrated their victory. Trevor, panting but ecstatic, couldn't help but think of Mrs. Kringle's words. Maybe there really was a pinch of magic in that raspberry kringle.
From that day on, the legend of the magical raspberry kringle spread through Sweetville. Players and fans alike made it a pre-game ritual to visit Kringle's Corner, hoping to get a taste of that extraordinary pastry. And Mrs. Kringle, with a twinkle in her eye, continued to bake her special treats, knowing that sometimes, all it took was a little bit of magic to turn an ordinary game into an unforgettable story.
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Excellent story, boss
if you take the first letter from every paragraph you get "ITOOTTAWTF" so yeah still nonsense
@@hi2u670 LOL
@@TrevorMayBaseball I know you love your story. :) I used the bakin' word of the video "raspberry kringle". Love ya keep up the good work.
two things...the TV screen overlay for strike zone is NOT what MLB uses to officially grade an umpire. It is for "informational purposes only" and varies from home team to visiting booths. You are right, in the old days, when we weren't being checked by a computer, we could "reward a pitcher" for "hitting his spots".
I know that lol, my point was the people at home can now know GENERALLY how good a pitch was.
Your videos used to be great…but now they’re amazing!!!! They literally keep getting better! This was a fantastic video!
69 views in 5 minutes Angel Hernandez says most viewed video in internet history
Good timing on the video. Huge call in first game in CWS. Think this is part of the reason baseball is great. 200+ calls 60+ plays, all lead to the outcome of the game. Everyone trying to do their best. One team wins at the end and the umpires always lose. Helps teach us life lessons. I Love Baseball
The Galaraga blown perfect game broke my heart. I was touched by Joyce's apology and actually crying about it because he knew how big of a deal it was. The touchy feelings went away after rewatching the blown call. Sure, I make a mistake or two a year, but at the highest level of the best game on earth, you gotta be good in the clutch moments, just like the great players. Great video. Bucknor was horrible too. Never hear of the Raspberry Kringle. Sounds fantastic.
Will Clark once bought Angel a raspberry kringle, and got great calls the rest of his career.
Angel Hernandez's strike zone apparently consisted of two vertical rectangles at each side of the plate, everything else outside of that was a ball, even through the middle of the plate
You've quickly climbed the mountain of becoming one of my favorite content creators. Perfect balance of education, rationalism, and great freakin' humor. Your personality is gold, brother.
I remember when he tried to sue the league for not picking him for the world series and the independent firm basically said, They're justified because you are statistically one of the worst behind the plate.
Angel Hernandez has actually been described as an amazing person. My grandfather grew up and lived in Miami his whole life as a Yankee fan (because no Florida teams existed yet), and when the Marlins made it to the 03 World Series, Angel was actually able to get my Grandfather the tickets to go to game (I think) 5 in Miami! He didn't even really know him personally, Angel just wanted to help! So my grandfather always has a soft spot for Angel Hernandez because even though he sucks, he is a great guy! Just in case you're wondering, my grandfather, despite being a die hard Yankee fan his entire life, routed for the Marlins because he grew up in Miami and the Marlins had 1 World Series win at the time, and the Yankees had like 2000.
Raspberry Kringle. Interesting breakdown of umpiring through the years to give more context how we view umpires today. I was talking with a few friends recently after news of Angel Hernandez retiring, and I remember saying to them that CB Bucknor just lost his best shield from criticism. Regardless, I agree with your sentiment that everyone on the field is, for the most part, just trying to do their job to the best of their ability.
Pitch FX is just for the show, and people who don't know crap will get upset, because they believe.
Here is the rule that it can not possibly get exactly right, only by accident.
"The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter’s stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball."
That machine has no bloody idea when that occurs, and only the umpire knows what Strike Zone has been determined.
So the machine can't tell where is the top and the bottom of the zone. It is only good to judge the sides. Yeah, Maddux "choose" the right era to pitch.
The 80s to 2000s golden age of baseball...yep. fucking 94-95 strike was definitely golden
One year does not define 20+
raspberry kringle! dude you are so funny your videos always have me laughing! keep up the good work! first heard you on the rose rotation (would love to see you there again!) but your own channel is awesome thanks for the content!
As someone who actually hates baseball (lol), I've known of Angel for YEARS. To the extent that I've known him and pretty much only him for the last decade plus and no one else within the MLB, and that should tell you something. He's a household time well beyond any who even give a second of time in a day to the sport let alone MLB. So you definitely can say he is the infamous MLB umpire in history for sure, no contest. He's a entire brand at this point. And that is due to his overall attitude, short fuse and just refusing to own up to his mistakes most of the time clashing with egos when a manager or player calls him out on his shit. That infamy fed his tendency to seek out that kind of recognition. Thus, everyone knows who he is.
Thank you for including the Joe Nathan save. When you have Ben Zobrist at the plate and he reacts that strongly, you know the ump messed up big time.
It’s not just that Angel misses calls but he’s just unpleasant to be behind the plate. He doubles down when he’s wrong. Sure, he may not be the most inaccurate but that’s why people will remember him as one of the worst.
I only just found this channel due to recommendation. I have to say, you were great to watch play, but this may be your actual calling. You had me rolling the whole video.
Just discovered your channel. For a budding baseball fan like myself, it’s gold. Thanks
During Covid, the SNY crew called Mets games using MLB the Show 20. They discussed the umpire subject and one point brought up was that come players changed their stance throughout a game like Rod Carew for example.
Another thing that I feel has hurt umpire accuracy are guys like Jeff Mathis who are excellent pitch framers and the umpire at times goes off of where the catcher is positioned.
You had already gotten my sub for a great video about halfway through, especially since I well remember your playing career.
Then you said it's still "too soon" still for Season 8 of Thrones. (For those that don't know, the finale of the show was May 19, 2019. We had a whole-ass pandemic since Game of Thrones ended.)
I'm pretty sure I'll follow you anywhere after that. Bravo, Sir. :)
There is solid intel out there that his new focal point has become a book and potential movie deal. Richard Gere has offered an early hat in the ring to star in his role. Im guessing this helped out his early retirement. Of course this is hearsay, but it adds up.
You got my sub for the joke at the end about Angel not getting your call wrong. LMAO. That was good.
For the Maddox pitches, the camera is skewed so far to the right side of the pitcher, I don't think it is clear if, or how far off, the pitches were off the plate. And that 'little box' is at best an approximation. But otherwise...
I remember pitching in the 80’s and the strike zone changed the entire game every game depending on the size of the hitter. Armpits to just below the knees. It was hard to get short players out 😂😂😂 imagine if that was the case now…with HitTracks
Back in my day as a catcher, it was consistent. If the Blue was gonna give you outside low, that's where you went and then see how far he was gonna give you. You only got pissed if he all of a sudden decided he wasn't going to give it. It was about consistency.
I for one am against Robo Umpires. Maybe playoffs. We have to have one thing left to yell at the TV for. It's half the fun.
Truly Wish I could've caught a game with you at the mound in Oakland. You seem like one of those dudes that plays the sport and you know you're good but you somehow stay grounded.
Signed, A Giants Fan.
Chefs kiss on that last highlight
You’re absolutely killing it Trev
Your content gets better and better.
That livan Hernandez game was insane when you watch it now
Miss Trevor.....wish he were still in the Mets bullpen. Great video!
I think the more frustrating things with umpiring these days is the lack of accountability, especially when it comes to how often guys are getting tossed over nothing.
The human error factors into everyone's life. I love it in sports. It gives the losing team's fan base a reason to say they lost but should've won and it keeps us riled up for the next game and the next. I don't think people who want the umps out are thinking about the sport as much as a true fan of the game in all respects. Raspberry crinkle
I’m a big proponent of pursuing “better” instead of perfection. Give me pitch challenges and I think we’re close to ideal
@@TrevorMayBaseball that would definitely bring more balance to the game and who doesn't love balance in their lives? Love the content my dude 😎
Jose Bautista once expressed his dissatisfaction with umpires by saying the game is hard enough, adding that what bothers him most is how his stats are negatively affected by mediocre performances from others. I don't know your stance on robo calls, but if I was a pitcher whose livelihood is predicated on doing a job well, I'd go bat-shit nuts if I was demoted due to bad calls. What say you?
Angel's problems stem from his arrogance and unerring ability to blow calls at exactly the wrong moment.
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ANY Greg Maddox game you will likely see a very generous strike zone in favor of him. That's what made him great. He consistently got 20+ inch wide strike zone for most of his career.
It really doesn’t help that different broadcasts can have different strike zones on tv for the same game. And then the pitch tracker on the mlb app is different.
I constantly get texts from my friend saying the ump completely missed a strike that’s so far outside and then the app says the ball clipped the zone. I consistency in pitch tracking also creates people getting upset and reactionary.
If umpiring is as bad as its ever been then so is baseball. Strikeouts are at an all time high and .230 is considered decent. Starting pitchers don't go more than 5 innings and Elbows are falling off. Umpires are all in the 90% with their accuracy so I'd say its pretty good. If anyone thinks its easy I suggest jumping your local highschool team and see how you do.
raspberry kringle - that last clip was hilarious
wait that commentator really said "you gotta be SHAVING me"
edit: as a big yankees fan, I apologize for those of us that threw chicken tenders at you. What really doesn't makes sense about that is each chicken tender is like $6 at the Stadium, seems like an expensive projectile choice
It's not at all a defense of Angel, but there is something to be said about the guidelines and parameters [but not the written rules] of umpiring changing year after year and expecting the men in the masks to not go insane. The strike zone has definitively shrunk twice in my life, possibly three times, and it's never been addressed. The league uses goldilocks balls at random. Exact tie once went to the runner, but now the ball has to be in the back of the glove despite that not actually being a rule.
I also notice that catchers in the 90s and 2000s were just a little better at framing too, so it never felt egregious when they call something off the plate
I just discovered your channel and I really love your videos.
Raspberry crinkle.
I like that out of all the teams he was on his profile picture is him with the Mets. Cause it was his favorite… cause the Mets are just awesome
Just once I’d like to see more than Eric Gregg’s raspberry Kringle videos (strike zone about the size of a football red zone) from the 90s as indicators of the old strike zone, and oh yeah, I highly suggest you credit videos you use, like Foolish Baseball’s usage of the Maddux game
I think the worst umpires are the ones that make tense situations worse and antagonize players and coaches. I dont want to see a quick hook on a guy when hes pointing out a shitty call. Granted some players and coaches go overboard but an ump should be difusing the situation. Thats the part of angel that bugged me the most..
Only been a baseball fan for a couple years, honestly curious to see you do one of your own games like this.
id like to thank Angel for giving me tons of laughs at all the player rages over his awful calls .
11:49 - I lost it completely here....... I don't want to see a strike-ball challenge thing because they will be held back til the end of the game and radically change the strikezone as it was called in the earlier part of the game. As long as they are consistent
I wanted you to share your experiences with certain umpires and hear who you thought was good and bad.
Literally the donut media of baseball. So good
Raspberry Kringle??! ..That sounds delicious! I was at that Phillies game last year, when Angel tossed Harper. Even from the LF stands, we could tell Harper checked his swing
Great explanation. Thanks for this.
As a former referee (not baseball), I take exception by default with the never-ending criticism of those doing the best they can in a difficult situation. As a Tigers fan, I’ve even defended Jim Joyce. (Though I’m not sure what he was looking at on *that* call.) That said…
Hernandez is horrendous. I have no idea why he was allowed to umpire at the highest levels for so long. He doesn’t even seem to care how bad he is, and good officials all take great pride in “getting it right.”
Its unpires feeling like they're infallible... If they actually admitted to mistakes IN GAME instead of the multiple examples you gave where an ump messed up and simply made it worse by choice, it would be easier to deal with. But theyre a service to the game, not THE game. So if there are more efficient ways to service the game without adding power to a person who has trouble dealing with their emotions, it needs to be done to keep the integrity of the game with its actual players.
You don’t think camera angle makes it look farther off the plate? If said camera was inline the picture would be blocking our view of the plate.
I was at a Royals game in the '23 season, Angel got announced as the home plate ump, and there was audible anger around us in the stands
Keeping Mr. Al Gorythm, happy. Cool premise, and well put together video. Best of luck to you.
Raspberry Kringle and what a refreshing take on umpires just being human. Thank you Trevor.
Prior to all of the advances in technology MLB only asked plate umpires to be consistent within “their” zone as long as their zone is not unreasonable. With the new technology the training of umpires has resulted in the strike zone being more uniform from umpire to umpire.
Which has ruined baseball
Raspberry kringle is 100% what i'm getting for a breakfast tomorrow at the bakery. Love the vids TM
Umpire's dont understand , its not the mistake so much as it is how you handle yourself after you've made the mistake . Jim Joyce comes to mind what a classy great umpire.
love these vids, trev!!
Trevor May makes me laugh, love this video! 😂
I enjoyed Trevor as a player, and he may be even more enjoyable as a content creator. This is one funny guy.
Always enjoy your content!
Aye yo trevor! I live like 10 mins from longview and used to watch you play high school baseball!
The funny thing is Angel really looks the part. Handsome, in great shape. He’s the umpire from Central Casting. He just wasn’t very good at this.
The ball and strike calling in the 80’s and 90’s was BRUTAL. Every ump had his own zone. It is better now.
He was bad at balls/strikes, worse at safe/out, and mishandled so many grey area judgement calls with a punk-ass ironic sort of smug abuse of authority type attitude. Nobody will ever be as hated as Angel Hernandez and it took MLB way too long to finally pay him to retire.
Not to speak ill of the dead, but Eric Gregg's strike zone mirrored Eric Gregg himself.
Raspberry Kringle. Is that a real thing? If so, I want a piece with lots of whipped cream! Great video!
Jim Joyce can say everything he wants to now but that dude did that intentionally and wanted to rob G of that game because no human on earth with a decent conscience can believe he didn’t go into that play dying to call a panther safe. JJ is a disgrace the absolute disgrace of MLB
Curious about your personal experiences with him, but you were pretty fair with both sides of the argument. Keep at it, good sir!
That clip at end was superb. Also raspberry kringle.
Umpires should be employed by the MLB directly, paid well and have all of the benefits they have now. But they should not have a union to protect them from getting canned.
Here's a counter argument to "their just people out here trying to do their job". I wish i could be the literal worst at my job and have my boss pay me 6 figures for years just to consistently be shit at my job. Everyone wishes for that at yet these old fucks got to do it for years with no punishment. They sat around were bad got 6 figures for years and a 401k. Thats wild.
Thank you for that last little clip of clearly a bad Angel call to your personal benefit. Just found your channel, but good first impression.
I honestly believe that the Erig Gregg game (Livan Hernandez vs the Braves) was from money being bet on the game. Greg Maddux was great at getting calls just off the plate, but Livan was getting calls literally in the other batter's box and if you watch the game those calls are only going against the Braves and not against the Marlins.
Nah, that was always Eric greggs zone. As bad as it was he was pretty consistent for many years
Eric Gregg was the CB Bucknor of the 90s
Baseball Doesnt Exist pretty well defended Angell in their video. The problem with Angel was when he made a bad call, it was beyond forgivable at how atrocious the call was.
Thanks Trevor!
So excited it's 5x Baseball time and not just 3x, especially if it involves roasting Angel (and GoT finale).
Thanks for the Raspberry Kringle, love when my local Trader Joe's has them!
Will be on the lookout for a raspberry kringle...not sure I've ever tried it before. BTW, a video on how Greg Maddux picked apart the game would be awesome.
Eric Gregg will forever be FAR WORSE than any Angel Hernandez calls. It’s not a coincidence both the 90s clips were his games….
Great work!
As an Oakland A's fan for life I am loving this channel! love that call at 12:57 LOL!
Raspberry kringle is amazing, probably one of the best. Good call.
You should make a video on if baseball should shorten the 162 a game season. I feel it would be interesting coming from a former MLB player
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Also, nice job here man. Really gets to the heart of where we are.
Raspberry Kringle…… and honestly those 2 seem about right at where they are at by the numbers love the video Trevor