Overhated and Underrated? | Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts (Banjo-Kazooie Series Retrospective)
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- It's time to wrap up the Banjo-Kazooie series retrospective with the controversial vehicle-builder, Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts. Rare changed up the gameplay heavily for the duo's Xbox 360 debut, and fans are still upset about that to this day. But is the hate this game receives really deserved? Or is there genuine innovation in Nuts & Bolts that makes it an underrated masterpiece? #BanjoKazooie #BanjoKazooieNutsandBolts #RareReplay
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Rare Revealed: The Making of Banjo-Kazooie Nuts & Bolts (bit.ly/2kfolpV)
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DualSHOCKERS: Banjo-Kazooie Composer Grant Kirkhope Says Nuts & Bolts Should Have Been a Different IP (bit.ly/2lrTXJ9)
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate: Banjo-Kazooie Reveal Trailer (bit.ly/2WZZwzy) - เกม
I'd like to note that while it's never explicitly told, you can jump out of the log's choice vehicles and then tinker around with them while the timer stays paused which turns them into a challenge of creating a better vehicle for the challenge with the parts you're given and honestly, that's what it should have been from the start.
I actually didn’t know it pauses that’s actually kinda hype I’m definitely gonna have to replay and see how that goes lol
I did this constantly. This is actually why I looked forward to Log’s choice.
Just realized this on my most recent play of Nuts and bolts. I’ve always enjoyed the game and spent hundreds of hours as a kid just goofing around in the test track. I always dreaded the logs choice challenges because the vehicles seemed to be designed in intentionally frustrating ways. Now I’m looking forward to breaking all the logs choices i hated as a kid
while this mechanic was definitely helpful for some challenges, I didn't see myself using it that much as your vehicle resets every time you reattempt the challenge. would've been cool if you were given a set amount of parts to make a vehicles out of for LOG's choice challenges or at least have your edits to the preset saved across attempts
yep, 2 wheels a seat an engine and a fuel and voiala
I'm sure Nuts & Bolts is a good game by itself. The problem is the fact that when this game was "teased" old time veterans thought we were finally going to get the Banjo-Threeie that Grunty talked about at the end of the last game. But what we got instead was nothing at all like what was expected.
Thank you that’s exactly what I was gonna comment, I’m a hardcore bk fan it’s one of my favourite games of all time and most fans didn’t think nuts and bolts was a bad game at all it’s just that it shouldn’t have been a banjo game and was far from what the fans originally liked about banjo
Remember when Crash Bandicoot was brought back after like 20 years to star in Skylanders?
@@jojobod skylanders brought it upon itself.
Nah it wasnt particularily good
So you let your expectations get in the way of simply enjoying the game, and the only real problem with it is the initial marketing strategy which was thrown out immediately after the first trailer? Cool.
Fun fact. For the logs choice missions, you can cheat. Right as the mission starts, get out of the vehicle and then edit it. I literally won every "forced vehicle" race by stripping the obnoxious vehicle down to 2 wheels and engine and fuel. It became a motorcycle easily beating everything. Lol
That's not cheating, that's the whole point of the game! I played this game from start to finish maybe 4 times, I actually didn't know you could do that, the forced vehicles pissed me off 90% of the time so, your comment makes me want to play it, once again =)
Fuck I forgot about that. One of the best games I've ever played lol, wish I was in 8th grade again
personally I wouldn't make nuts & bolts a Banjo Kazooie game but give it to Trophy Thomas because he is more fit for this game I think
id have made it a spin off game a bit like the racing game and have had it similar to Arkham Origins where its released so fans have another game to play while waiting for Threeie. but unfortunately i dont think we'll ever see banjo three
When i was really young i played this game all day with my brother, it will always be close to my heart.
This game came out when I was 14 and when I played it i found it confusing and difficult. Tooie will always have a place in my heart.
I played this game all day with my brother too when i was younger also. I feel the same way
Honestly, if this wasn't a Banjo Kazooie game I think it would be beloved by everyone who bought it
It's honestly wicked. I get a real kick out of all the different mistakes and successes you can come up with by mixing parts.
Not me sadly. Since I can't enjoy the gameplay. I have no creativity. So building is ABSOLUTELY useless to me! If it didn't have them, I wouldn't have blindly bought it. Worst mistake I've ever done. So now I'm watching playthroughs of games before I actually buy them. Saved me a lot of money after seeing trash like Color Splash or Origami King as well.
For real. No game ever has made me think of the purpose of what Im building as much. Engineering mind set put to work early.
@@rastas_4221 cool guy
As someone who hasn't grown up on Banjo and only recently playing them for the first time. This retrospective series really did help me learn a new appreciation for the games. Whilst personally I didn't love nor hate this game, it had nothing to do with it being a banjo game or not and I love the depth you go into about it and really broke it down well. I can't wait for your next retrospective series, congrats on reaching 300 subs and awesome video as per usual mate!
Thanks so much man! These videos have been the most fun to make so far and I'm really happy with how they turned out.
@@CloudConnection You should be mate, really inspired me to turn my content up a notch especially in regards to research. You're absolutely killing it!
Same man, same
Yah this video is great. I see now how marketable this game is to different people and hell I'm glad banjo kazooie existed and not that sword adventure dude
Nut and bolts is part of my childhood so I might be a bit biased. But I think it is a great game as someone that never played of any other Banjo Kazooie game. I spent so much time competing with my friends in local co-op and built so many different vehicles it gave me so much creative freedom and for that simple reason I will always look fondly upon that game!
The game is great. I just assumed it would eventually lead to a real sequel to Tooie, Banjo Threeie. I dream every E3 that the Microsoft press conference will just be Rare announcing Banjo Threeie and Conkers Bad Fur Day 2.
But this basically is Banjo Threeie, the third game in the main series. They could make another game and I'd definitely play it and most likely love it, but they can't call it Banjo Threeie.
@@littleredrurithey could indeed call it banjo threeie. That's like saying assassins creed 3 should have had a different name because brotherhood existed.
I love how L.O.G.'s face is just Pong lol
As someone that never played a banjo game this was an absolute blast for me when I was a kid. With that mindset this game was a masterpiece for me and one of the most memorable games that I played.
Early footage of the Banjo Threeie character models shown off at E3 in 2003 reveal that the characters were always going to evolve into a more blocky design.
There's another review on Nuts and Bolts that briefly goes over it, but basically even when planning Threeie, Rare wanted the "Next Gen" characters to have a more blocky design.
Minecraft before minecraft huh?
Worst desicion ever. Blocky looks like garbage.
Either way they look both hideous and soulless.
This isn’t true at all, the video you’re thinking of is a mere tech demo for the GameCube and this is widely accepted and well documented. Looking at the models for Banjo X, the canceled Banjo-Kazooie remake, the models are 1:1 with the 64-era renders. Please don’t spread false information.
15:32 fun fact: (ignoring the glitch that lets you fly the trolley anywhere you want) you can get every crate in this game (outside the ones behind the laser walls that you would need a glitch to do) before entering the first world if you explore and are creative enough.
In the center of showdown town, there is a ledge you can drive off (I believe if you drive counter clockwise around Log's building at the top of the mountain, just drive straight when you see the wire you're supposed to climb up. At least I think thats where it is, Its been awhile), and this'll put you on the higher ledge of the town with your vehicle. Outside of that, you can run around on foot, jump on the geometry of the walls and buildings, or stack boxes in your try to give you an easier time to climb up. You'll find you can get into A LOT of areas you're not supposed to yet by effectively abusing the platforming abilities you have (which is pretty ironic on multiple levels). Honestly, it kind of sucks knowing that theres just a flying glitch that lets you do everything easily cause 'breaking' the game just by platforming was pretty satisfying to find out.
You could argue this is kinda neat, but it feels more like they werent expecting you to platform for anything in this game so you can cheese things to get alot of crates before you're supposed to have them. I was really disappointed when there were no platforming missions at all, and I tried to complete some missions without using a vehicle specifically because of this.
On the note of Online: I remember playing the game online with friends overseas or with random people online and that was alot of fun. It was more just fun to see all the goofy vehicles other people had made up in the testing track, rather than actually playing any of the mini-games. You cant break specific parts off a vehicle while playing online, but you could find some very cool creations people have made. One guy had a Giant gun with ammunition and lasers (obviously), but then they had ANOTHER vehicle that was of a hand holding the gun, and you could actually fly the gun, into the hand, and it would be able to hold it perfectly. It was really cool to see how creative some people got with these things. Of course this is pretty irrelevent today but I still have some fond memories of back then
I was searching up for videos about this game after school and this video peeked my interest. I just subscribed!
I loved Nuts & Bolts. I made so many ridiculous vehicles and spend hours just messing with them in the test-o-track.
Honestly how have you not gone viral. Like I haven’t watched any of your other videos but the amount of effort put into this video must have been imense. I actually am going to subscribe just because your video styl has interested me so much. I hope your channel grows cause you deserve it
Thanks so much! This year has actually been an incredible period of growth for the channel. I had less than 50 subs in March - now I'm approaching 500. And those are subs that are legitimately invested in the channel. So maybe I haven't gone viral, but the growth has been substantial.
CloudConnection well you definitely deserve it as I can tell you really care about what you do from the quality of your videos. I’m gonna binge watch them all while playing the logs lost challenges and wanting to kill Klungo
Never bothered to play nuts and bolts even though kazooie and tooie were two of my favorite games when i was a kid. When i first heard that there was going to be a new Banjo-Kazooie i was thrilled. Than i watched the trailer and understood that this wasnt actually a new Banjo game, it was a vehicle creation game that just happened to have the Banjo Kazooie logo. I have no doubt that if i picked it up and played it i would enjoy it to an extent, but its just not what i was hoping for. My biggest issue is that it is so far removed from the core elements of the originals that replacing a few characters could make it a totally new IP. Its almost like they had an idea for a new game and they just used a brand people already loved as a means of boosting sales.
If they made it a new IP it would've been worse and nobody would've even heard of it
Truly. Using an established brand to sell an unfamiliar concept is just meat-and-potatoes marketing. @@willycheez7218
I thought this game was a disappointment when I first played it in 08 but after playing it recently in Rare Replay, it's pretty good, I am having fun with it
I ate this game up when it came out. I was 12 and it was the only game I played for awhile lol. Watching you play it makes me want to boot it up again after all these years. I was a huge fan of the hub world, I loved exploring and finding all the secrets and on top of it all, I just loved building all the crazy vehicles. I used to have a notepad where I just write my ideas for vehicles down. I’d lay in bed at night about to go to sleep when inspiration strikes and I’d be too excited to sleep thinking about my cool, new vehicle.
Thanks for the video, btw. It was a nice trip down memory lane.
I agree so much about the cynicism being too much in this game. It made me think that the devs didn't believe in their own project.
Played this game with my younger brother and got every item. We made so many vehicles together and had great memories. Just because a game isn’t so much a traditionally great game doesn’t mean it can’t provide great experiences and that’s what this game excelled at. It’s astounding what you can actually build with the vehicle builder with some creativity
Nuts and bolts was fantastic!!! Another studio made a very similar games a couple of years back, not bad but all it does it make you want to play nuts and bolts again =)
man you remind me of my brother. we used to play nuts and bolts 24/7. thanks for giving me a nostalgia trip :)
Its so nice to see a review of this game that doesn't just bash it into oblivion because "Oh mY GoD wHy Does BANjO DRive A cAR?!?!?!?!". I've always thought this was an amazing 360 title that doesn't deserve all the hate, and thats coming from a long time Banjo fan.
I partly blame Jontron.
He's funny at times, but when his original review for Nuts and Bolts landed, it seems everyone started parroting his opinion:
CARS??
CARS!!11??!
NO! ..... NO!!!!
And so every comment section comedian started parroting him... and the unfounded hatred stuck.
@@OtterloopB I agree its mostly Jontrons fault that the game gets such a bad rap.
Interesting fact, did you know that Jontrons Nuts and Bolts review is actually statistically the most viewed Banjo and Kazooie video on TH-cam?
Heh.
Personally, I like it, this is coming from someone who came from ssbu.
I haven’t played it, though I replay Kazooie and Tooie all the time. Idk, I just don’t like cars or car games. It’s just a game I don’t particularly want to play.
Edit: so as someone who wanted Banjo Threeie, I’m just irrationally salty at this game’s existence. It’s like Fallout 76 and Elder Scrolls Online. I don’t play MMOs and want another straight RPG. It’s interesting that this is the state of my 3 favorite video game franchises. Same goes for GTA V Online.
@@scroogemcduck8509 I understand, Ive been killin for a Banjo Threeie for decades too, but I just don't see the point in being upset at a fun little spin-off game that really didn't do anything wrong.
This is pretty epic. Keep up the good work
I actually enjoyed Nuts & Bolts for what it was, and looking at the Yooka Laylee games, I wouldn't mind having Rare go the DKCR/Impossible Lair route in terms of making a game 🤔
*Also I do love Humba's redesign* 😏
I see I’m not the only person who thought so
I've never saw this as a "bad game" sure it's not the platformer we're used to, but it's not that bad of a game. The vehicle creator is questionable for characters like banjo kazooie, but the creativity is almost limitless. I think most of the negativity came from JonTron's video about it years ago
Jontrons video was as a response to the general critiques. There’s a reason this game isn’t in most people’s top 10s but the originals are. This game is clunky and forgettable and it was... forgotten.
@@BradsGonnaPlay It's not clunky at all, and for anyone who gave it a fair shot it's not that forgettable either. It's the true third game in my eye and I love it to bits.
Its a good game. Its just not what we wanted (and still want…)
One game that had a creation system like this before nuts and bolts was Tony Hawk pro skaters create a park.
The situation with the SNS Blueprints is this: they are unlocked by trading in the SNS 1 items in Tooie. This only gets you one piece of SNS 2.
I especially loved doing the grunty challenge in the first zone where you can just hop out of your vehicle and edit it so you can then drop all your pieces on her vehicle until it is destroyed.
Nutz and bolts is as heartbreaking as shadowrun for 360.
I was so upset when this is what we got for next-gen (at the time) Banjo-Kazooie. I was literally heartbroken.
I still remember seeing the thumbnail on Game Trailers and my heart dropped. I knew something wasn’t right.
You were definitely not *literally heartbroken... right? If so- Rest In Peace Bret
Same
That trailer back in 2006 fooled us all
Its 2020 and I still play the game and actually think its better than a lot of games out rn.
No
@@steellegion1490 Hush
Hell no
Millions of people: "We want X!"
Rare: "No you don't, here's Y"
😐
The problem with this game in a nutshell. Noone asked for Gummi Ship Simulator. And it should've at least been it's own IP.
Thank you for this video! This was mine and my brother's childhood game, granted we didn't play N64 games but still it deserves a lot of credit: music is brilliant, artstyle still looks great and the creation system: marvellous. Some quests are annoying and frustrating, but some are also very creative and try to twist the formula. Very satisfying game to play, and it's funny how the game bought by our dad on a whim (most people got it as a starter with their 360) is a game with few hundreds of hours played and us (but mainly my brother, I ain't responsible for even 10%) creating OVER A 1000 vehicles. Also, as it were the years when Microsoft tried to dethrone Playstation here in Poland, this game has a really good Polish localization, with really witty dialogue translations and even LoG nickname getting translated as HGW, which is an acronym for a profane expression in Polish. And it wasn't all CAPS actually, so it looked regular. Interesting to note
I think the main problem of the art style are furr and featers (which unfortunately reflects on both Banjo and Kazooie). I like how the designs of some characters, like mumbo and grunty, kind of feel like some sort of action figures/toys, it represents pretty well the idea of building your own vehicles, however the fact that some just look way too "realistic" (for a lack of a better word), kind of ruins it in my opinion
I can agree that it sometimes looks too realistic. I just don't think the bad designs ruin the art style overall.
CloudConnection in my opinion it does. I can see how you think that tho
@@CloudConnection Is not bad design. Is awful design. If you defend such terrible choice, i can't take you serious at all.
@@Raylightsen And if you constantly harass people who like a game you don’t, then no one will take you seriously
No offense, but the design is fine. It’s better than Jet Force Gemini. And personally, classic Banjo worked back in the day. But the original Banjo render is atrocious.
Excellent analysis. Your so good at describing games.
I love nuts and bolts so much
another great video. Any plans for the future of the channel you want to share? I think I speak for a fair amount of people when I say im interested in seeing whats next. Good job, as always
Thank you so much - that means a lot! As for what's next, my next retrospective series will be looking at the Half-Life franchise. That should last me through the rest of the year, if I've scheduled enough time. I've got some plans for next year as well but I don't want to give too much away at this point!
Excellent as usual
I just remembered how much I love the vehicle battles in this game
while the vehicle creation was a neat idea, it wasn't as groundbreaking as you make it sound... there were Lego games before it and even Kingdom Hearts had the gummi ship creator
Admittedly I'm not well-versed in the Kingdom Hearts series so I actually completely forgot about the Gummi ships. My point about it being groundbreaking was more referring to the vehicle building system allowing players to complete challenges any way they want, but I may not have made that as clear as I should have.
13:40 you can jump out and completely rebuild LOG choice vehicles. I'm not sure how intentional this is but you can just rebuild the vehicles using the parts you're given (or shed useless parts)
I'm gonna guess that someone at Rare played Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 and REALLY liked the Gummi Ship building parts, so they built a whole game around it.
That's what I like to see in game development. Take a concept from another game and expand upon it into something new and interesting.
I call bullshit no one loves the gummi ship parts
@@keatoncoffey6742 to each their own dude, to each their own. Personally, when I discovered that i got to design my own magic ship by putting random pieces together to see what i could make, i probably spent...i'm actually not sure how long I would spend doing that, nonetheless, i enjoyed it
As someone who 100%'d this game more times than I care to count, I agree with all of your points except for the performance ones (never can I recall audio or fps issues on my 360).
Nuts and Bolts is a great game. But I personally feel that it would be just as good, or even better, had it not been a Banjo game
No. A lot of the levels are made up of Banjo stuff. Making it a new IP would make the game not only worse but completely unheard of
@@willycheez7218 It didn't even occur to you that the levels wouldn't contain so many Banjo references if the game wasn't a Banjo game, did it?
@@BanjoGate Yes, it did. But then the would be plain. What about Banjoland?
@@willycheez7218 I'm not going to be giving examples for every single thing. That might just make that level into a natural history museum or something entirely different.
@@BanjoGate Yep. How boring
This was one of my favorite games as a kid - I wasnt old enough to remember the original Banjo-Kazooie games, so this was my proper introduction to the universe, and honestly I loved it, but I've always caught flak from the rest of the Banjo community for it. Glad to see someone putting my thoughts about this game into words!
Most of us had no issue with the game itself and lots of us liked it too we were just peeved that they called it a banjo game it should have been it’s own thing, not teased as the new banjo game the original fans were all waiting for, it felt like a cash grab using the name and slap in the face to all the original fans
@@Practicalinvestments I think the issue was they announced a new banjo game before they got the concept down. So they were damned if they changed it and damned if they didn’t change it. Also, no one looks at Banjo Pilot or Mario Kart and go, “ It’s not a traditional platformer therefore it’s not a good (insert game title) game.”
@@dingle2987 well exactly, the problem people have with this game is the initial marketing strategy, which was dropped after one trailer. Overall it's a great game and deserves recognition for what it is.
Ok zoomer
Ive gotta say, i love banjo kazooie nuts and bolts. Its mainly from nostaligia though.
Picture it, the year was 2012, youtube was awash in a sea of gaming nostalgia for the series, hating in this game. My dad bought a car from a friend and he included an xbox 360 with a couple games. Banjo kazooie and viva pinata, i loved those games and knew about banjo kazooie from the internet (yet i didnt get to REALLY play the game until i was 19 at my bfs house, cause he had rare replay and an xbone)
But i played what i had and thoroughly enjoyed it, i loved making my own vehicles and just flying around and running around and hitting stuff. I didnt even really do many of the missions after the world opens up, it was my first console from that era, where i was squarely on the ps2 and wii, so it was really cool for me, and got crazy awesome when they came out with the kinect and i played it all the time with my family.
Now having played Tears of the Kingdom I want to try this
Why did the same joke get me thrice? I knew about the quiz but ever damn video... well played
Only thing I can say about N&B is that it was nice to look at for an 08 game
I grew up with Banjo Kazooie as my favorite game.
When I found Banjo Tooie in my local game shop I was so happy and fell in love with it too.
Years later find Banjo Kazooie Nuts n Bolts in the store and get excited to buy it until I turn around the disk case and see horryifying things on the backside. Cars? Lackluster enemies? Nope!
Few years later find that the game has a demo on Xbox Live and decide to test it just to see how bad it was. I didn't know it before but apparently I really love building vehicles and solving challanges with them.
People, this game is worth a try.
I remember playing tjis game for about 15 minutes and giving up. The original game, I could play for 15 years 😆
When I got this game after the 360's life cycle, I had only heard about the issues with the concept of the game and no deeper criticism.
When I finally played the game, I tried to give it the benefit of the doubt, but I ended up not liking how the game played-- like, how vehicles controlled, yadda yadda, I don't remember entirely.
I should give the game another go at some point. Y'know, try harder to meet the game halfway. Every game has its own courtship, after all.
I genuinely love this game, it might not be a 3d platformer, but it is a vehicle 3d platformer, and that's okay, playing Tears of the Kingdom recently has really reminded me how much I loved playing the game on 360 and on Rare Replay on my Xbox One. Would love a Rare Replay remastered for PC so that more people can give N&B and the many other wonderful Rare games a go. But I am glad Rare has recovered with Sea of Thieves, hoping Everwild whenever that comes out continues the trend. Would even like to see a N&B 2 now that Tears of the Kingdom has shows that adding in a vehicle mechanic isn't a bad thing (although an N&B 2 would need a lot more traditional platforming mixed in with the vehicle stuff, as I think that's where Tears of the Kingdom success lies, the vehicle stuff is 'semi' optional, but can make tasks much easier than trying to brute force without it.
I've always been a sucker for this game. While I would love a more proper platformer/collectathon like Kazooie and Tooie for a new game... I still think the story should continue where Nuts and Bolts left off.
Think about it. Gruntilda threatened that she would create an absolutely vile game since he had access to the factory tools, and she's a canonically powerful and stubborn old hag. There's a perfect set-up for a game here.
Gruntilda taking control of L.O.G.'s factory and the different levels being the different Gameworlds she's both mucked up and created herself. Banjo and Kazooie save the day and return L.O.G. to power, and he apologizes to them for calling them "Has beens" and "uninteresting". He actually recognizes them a the gaming icons they've always been.
I'd love to see Conker show up in it, maybe even he sells them a Jiggie, that would be perfect for him.
This comment is being written at minute 4 in the video, so this is just an initial response:
It's not that nuts and bolts is intrinsically bad, it's that everyone wanted another platformer with all the same charm and creativity of the first two main-series games. No one asked for a kart builder and it just should not have been built around this particular IP.
THAT'S why people hate this game.
This is after the entire video:
I really appreciated your analysis of all aspects of this game. I have played it through to completion, so there is experience behind my frustration and not just blind hate. I wanted so badly to love this game and I think a better way to phrase fans frustration is not what it represents. I think it's about what we could have gotten, but didn't.
You are right, the creativity flows rampant throughout this game and there are a lot of really innovative ideas..........but nobody wanted them in a Banjo-Kazooie game.
I think LOG summarizes the issues with this game within the first 5 minutes when he criticizes players desire for a collectathon. LOG claims nobody wanted this anymore EVEN THOUGH THIS GAME IS BUILT ON THE MERIT AND SUCCESS OF THAT VERY CONCEPT.
Nothing pissed me off more than being told what I wanted and loved when I was a kid is now "tedious and outdated."
I love your videos and hope you keep up the awesome content, thank you for reading.
Just a small correction. Stop and Swap 2 unlocked a profile pic and a couple system themes for your Xbox system. Kind of lame, but at least self contained to N&B
Also for Stop and Swap 1, if you take the crates to Mumbo one by one, you can match each part to whichever item. As opposed to the regular part crates that are always purple, the S&S crates correspond to the eggs by color, and the Ice Key can be deduced through process of elimination. I haven't played in awhile so I forget what's what myself. Plus the symbols on the wall
I played Nuts & Bolts back when it first came on the Xbox 360 and having played it, I can say that it's more of a spinoff than a sequel. 👍🏻 I say this because if it was a platformer and closer to the original gameplay, it would be the Banjo-Threeie we all wanted. 🎮 But, this is what we got on major consoles and I think it deserves to be recognized as a game that wanted to do something different. 🛠️
Does anyone get the feeling that Zelda TOTK took it's vehicle building / ultra hand mechanic from this game in a way 😅🤷 idk if I'm the only one who can see it or not but I definitely get that vibe by watching the builds and the way Banjo can grab items and the vehicles to move / carry them lol
This game was awesome! I played the first two and I wasn’t disappointed at all with this one. The thing that made the first games good was how new they were at the time, if they had just made another one of those games it would not be the same. You have to forge new territory. I loved what they did with this game. Lately it seems no one knows how to make anything new, just recycled, lazy redos of old classics. Marvel movies, Disney redos and sequels to series that should have stayed finished. This game was totally new and creative. I loved trying to break the game with the physics or get to weird spots on the map or build ridiculous vehicles. It’s lame that people especially jontron crapped on this game because it wasn’t what they expected.
Anyone who spent many hours designing gummi ships in the kingdom hearts series would love building vehicles in this game.
I loooooove this game. One of my all time favs.
I didn't hate Nuts and Bolts. I just never really took to Car games or constructive games. I played minecraft plenty myself and like it but that's cuz it was simplistic and you could do alot. I wanted the original for nostalgia and the fact I actually like the collectathon.
You state a very fair case as to why Nuts and Bolts isn't as bad people say it is. Watching your review, there are things that I don't think I would prefer. The Vehicle building doesn't seem appealing to me. While Nuts and Bolts may not be a bad game, I'll stick with Kazooie-Tooie- and Grunty's Revenge the interquel between those two games Rare made some amazing stuff. Not to mention the hype they caused with the Donkey Kong Country trilogy, 64 games in Banjo-Kazooie and Tooie.
I loved that Rare managed to do them.
I can't play Nuts and Bolts anyway, I have never owned and XBox and I don't care to is all. I usually stick to Nintendo. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.
I have an XBOX and an XBOX 360, those consoles generally aren't platformer friendly and are my least favorite consoles I own.
As a huge Banjo fan since the days of the N64 I can say with complete confidence that you are missing out on a lot of you don't at least give this game a chance. For me it is tied with BK1 as being my favorite Banjo game. You might think that building vehicles isn't your thing, but one of the things this game excells at is making that mechanic fun. Once you get past the fact that the game swaps kazooies moves for a wrench and let's you collect things like you always could, just with a different kind of moveset, there is so much to love about this game and so much of the charm, personality and of course the incredible music is done justice here and dare I say it sometimes even better than it ever had been before.
Please, if you are a fan of BK, at some point just give it an honest shot, you may be very surprised and maybe, just maybe it may even become something special for you as it did for me.
I love BK1 so much, but if someone came to me and told me I could only take one Banjo Kazooie game to an island with me for the rest of my life, honestly it would probably be this one.
I didn't have an Xbox to be able to play Nuts & Bolts for a long time. Something that honestly I think helped me as I heard enough, and saw pieces of it, to lower my expectations and judge the game on its own merits. Not what that "Banjo is back" teaser made me imagine it would be. I really do enjoy the game. Showdown Town is nice, the personalities and humor are still there, and even the vehicle stuff is enjoyable enough.
I'd say Banjoland is my favorite world in the game. Partly due to the pure nostalgia yes, but also because of the fun missions. And the world itself was a good size with good enemy placement. Though enemies in the game a pushover it's still something. Others like Nutty Acres and Logbox 720 suffer from size issues. The former being almost too big even with the vehicles even if fun otherwise. The latter being too compact and tough to move around easily at times. Which could be tough if you had to be fast for a mission.
Truthfully the game probably would have been taken better had it not been eight years since Tooie. If there had been a classic styled game beforehand. A true "Banjo-Threeie" if you will would have take that harsh disappointment away. Plus that aforementioned teaser putting imaginations into overdrive.
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It wasn't the banjo kazooie game I wanted to continue the series but god damn did it become one of my favourite games on the 360!
I get the more jagged art-style, Banjo does look a bit too chunky though.
But I can’t get past his eyes, why are Banjo and Kazooie’s eyes so creepy and realistic in this game? The teeth are gross too, but it’s mostly the eyes.
Ikr and poor kazooie
This is an interesting debate to me . It creates a bit of divide in the industry . Should we let developers just make whatever they want , regardless of whether it was actually what the fans wanted to play and therefore buy , even if the new entry isn't actually in line with the series and what people liked about it in the first place ? Or should we encourage developers to make what people actually want to play and buy , even if it's not what the developers actually wanted ? Each sides has its pros and cons . As I do not own an Xbox , I have not played Nuts and Bolts , so take what I say with a whole bunch of salt . The general concensus as of now seems to be that Nuts and Bolts was a good game , but not a good Banjo game . It could have been under a new character , or a side character who's getting their own game now , or anything like that , and people would have received it fine . But since it was coming out years and years after two beloved classics that people were ravenous for a sequel too - which , might | add , they were promised at the end of the second game- and it wasn't even the same GENRE as the originals , let alone the same kind of experience ? It was dead on arrival . I'm sure that Nuts and Bolts is a fine game , but I don't know why they felt like it needed to be Banjo kazooie at Rare . It does create an interesting argument to be held though, as outlined earlier.
8-bit Klungo theme is 🔥
I’m just playing this for the first time after holding off for obviously years and I’ve been pleasantly surprised.
Going from Jolly Roger to Jolly Dodger might be a censorship thing?
But it could also be a reference to the British comic strip character "Roger the Dodger"
I will never stop hating this game for what could have been, it makes me very sad..
The easiest way to move on from grief is to accept bro. Try it out, you might like it.
@@littleredrurisorry if I’m just rehashing what he he said but he’s got a good point. After all, the final stage of grief is acceptance.
@@littleredruriit's a decent game it's just not a banjo game
100% I really enjoyed this
I thought the game was pretty decent. Vehicle control was frustrating. I think part of why Banjo fans hated the game so much is because the Hub world was sooooo great and fun to explore and cheese but that wasn't the game. The game we got was vehicles. If they just did more of the hub world, it would have been spectacular. It probably woulda had less hate if we didn't have "old B&K" gameplay juxtaposed against the new "not B&K game" within the same title.
I see nuts n bolts as a spin off. It was an ok game unique concept I thought was kinda cool. But yeah banjo threeie a man can dream.
I remember using the levitation hack to bypass a lot of the games' platforming and get better parts. Stand on a box or your vehicle and use your wrench on it.
I really enjoyed the game myself. I think what could be great is for this game to have platforming and have the vehicles be this amazing option to navigate in and between worlds. That could make this game into a 360 masterpiece.
Now if only it came out as a Zelda game instead. It might have been nominated for goty...oh wait...
The Indie scene has shown that Platformers are definitely a valid and popular game genre again and I really wish Microsoft would at least take the banjo IP and give it to another company that could make the banjo threey we all wanted. I feel like nuts and bolts probably would have been a solid maybe cult classic game on its own but forcing it to be a banjo game already turned people off of it.
honestly i think if "nuts & bolts" and "yooka laylee" had both swapped ip's and had more time in the oven people would probably be looking at both of them much more fondly.
@@arcadeassassin7176 oh definitely
Beloved IPs are a double edge sword
@@rockfan243 thinking about it a little more the vehicles could have worked in a banjo game had it been used to compliment the collect a thon gameplay rather than replacing it.
It's not hard to see why fans didn't like Nuts and Bolts. Fans wanted a new Banjo & Kazooie game. They got one but the core gameplay is radically different, resulting in a game that looked like it was meant to be something else and Banjo & Kazooie were just thrown in to get fans to buy it.
Looking at mario for comparison, there you always have new mechanics, some new gimmicks, but at it's core the mario games are always Jump and Runs (excluding spinof titles like mario cart, mario party and so on). From what I have seen you could probably remove what is left of it's jump and run roots from Nuts & Bolts and just leave the vehicles and the game probably would stay largely the same. As a result the core gameplay that fans were expecting became some gimmick attached to something different.
I don't doubt the game is good, but making a sequel is always a balance act between changing enough so that fans don't think they could have just played a previous game and not changing to much so that you don't alienate the fans of the previous games. In this case they changed to much and the fans were unhappy because in their eyes they didn't get a real banjo game.
This game has so much charm and the music is phenomenal. Gameplay is fun. Graphics are great, physics are good n maps are good !
I've been playing Banjo games since 1998. This was one of the first games I played when I got a 360, and I felt like it was... okay. Then I tried to play it for a second time and I hated the shit out of it. LOG is literally the dumbest character ever and an extremely lazy premise for creating a game. The replay value is zero, the levels are waaaay too big even for a vehicle based game, and the challenges are frustrating as hell. The level design highlights a huge problem with modern games: Bigger is not always better. The N64 levels were great partially because they had to make the best use of the space they had. Now that the technology exists for massive sprawling open worlds, they think that's great for a game like this, but it's not.
I want more banjo kazooie games and stop and swap in it to.
“Physically Assaulting a Rhino?, Really? That’s your Plan?”
36:10 I'm sorry but your wrong
I understand that the game can be really enjoyable on it's own but as a banjo game it fails and I'm not going to get over a bad design choice nor will anyone else
I'll be honest, I absolutely loved this game, I wish I could go back and play it :(
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I loved Banjo when I was younger, and I thought the new car focused gameplay was extremely ambitious, and I loved every moment of it. The giant worlds are so interesting and still has all of the charm from the other series.
I honestly think everyone just bandwagons on the JonTron review. If Banjo 3 came out and was a traditional platformer, I don't think people would have actually played or liked it, they are tainted by their nostalgia
This game was my first Banjo Kazooie game and I still love it so much. I was like 9 years old when I had to try my hardest to convince my mom to buy me the first two games. It was so hard only because thought that the graphics were ugly lol
One hell of a analysis well, this game while overhated and not understood feels more like they started a new series. It should not be a Banjo game because it needs platforming and collecting, not cars all the time. It was fun though. This should have been Rc-Pro am 2 or something. Once again i think it was ahead of its time, it just doesnt feel like banjo, this recent love for it is shocking. As the game even FORCES you not to be on foot, no game should FORCE you (it actually makes you board the vehicle which destroys the classic "oh i wanna explore, aspect". Well, im high so i had to write this somewhere, awesome video dude. Subbed
My brother got this game the christmas it came out( he loved banjo kazooie) I never had played the original, that being said I loved this game. It actually got me into the original later in my life, also me being raised in a family of mechanics and me being a mechanic myself, I’ve always loved cars so naturally I really loved this game building so much shit. Because my age I often had gotten the worst games of a series, for example. One Christmas I got RE6, technically my first resident evil. I loved it. Yet it is the worst . But because of the nostalgia it’s one of my favorites same with nuts and bolts
Yeah, many of the LOG choice vehicles suck, but you often can edit the vehicle at the start of the mission to make it easier.
Uh, yeah people aren't too hot on that Battletoads remake right now.
I never understood why people hated it so much. I've always liked the car building in the game. Personally, I would like to see another one with the same parts and more but as its own. I've never hated the game just the L.O.G cars and a couple of maps. I played the game so much I know all of it's glitches and exploits lol
I grew up with this game, and I absolutely loved it. I never knew the story behind it, until recently when one of my friends brought up how it was the worst game in the series. I feel like if you want a platformer, play Crash Bandicoot (that'd make people mad lol) but this game is so charming and it should be treated as almost a separate project than the others to fully enjoy the experience
@@OSRSBrachydios Lmao of course
The truth is, player hated it because it was not Banjo ! You could have replaced every character and it would have felt more right. It also lacked the polish BK and BT received likely because they didn't really know where to go and settled on that without much conviction. Honestly sandbox concepts rarely make for good games with a classic progression system like the Banjo games. Now survival is not the only good model for sandbox games, but collectathon is definitely a very bad option I think, no matter how hard you try.
Another problem Nuts'n'Bolts brings to the table is the lack of core diversity. When boiling it down, you all do all game long is create vehicles until figuring out what works for your current challenge and make it somewhat balanced. It all boils down to the vehicle creation, this is your main challenge as a player, with driving it being your reward, not your challenge. It's hard to find any way to boil down BK or BT that much without missing on core components ! 12:23 onward partly sums that up well except for the driving skills part IMO. it's more about using the vehicle you made than it is about mastering its handling and a complex set of moves. And the extra possibilities makes it less about puzzle solving and more about raw sandboxing (which again, is IMO not fit for a collectathon game).
But I stand by the main argument being that it should not have been a Banjo game (and afaik was not supposed to be, they actually merged the Banjo project with another one that was the vehicle idea iirc). Egg guns could be replaced by anything because it's not a bird character throwing it anymore, Mumbo's role kinda make sense but still is a vast departure, Humba is no longer a supporting cast (afaik, never finished the game :S and the specialty blueprints I don't know, it feels like Bottles' tips, something fitting for the game that shows in the mean time how much of a departure the game is from BK/BT). The whole thing could have been something else, and it wouldn't even have been called a collectathon if BK was not slapped on the box !
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It seems like only the people that didn’t grow up with the original banjo kazooie love this game and i’m going to try and explain why as a hardcore fan of the series, look lots of us didn’t think the game was bad we thought it was good, it just should have been it’s own thing not a banjo game and certainly not the banjo threeie we were waiting for, it really just felt like a cheap cash grab to get more people to buy the game, even in the advertisements they made it seem like it was going to be the game the original fans wanted (only showing the og collectables and no cars or any of the actual final games mechanics) so it wasn’t that we hated nuts and bolts for the game, once again lots of us liked the game, we just hated the way it felt like they tricked us with the promise of a true sequel, what the original fans wanted. Even if it was marketed as a banjo spin off not the main sequel I’m sure it would have been received better, what the game did was alienate the fans who loved the first two games and that’s why we didn’t like it, not for the gameplay
Everyone loves Mario Kart. But imagine if Super Mario Odyssey had suddenly been a kart game! This should have been a spin off, or even better, a shiny new IP. We might have had a whole series of these, and mainline Banjo could have found fun ways to add on to and evolve its style as well.
Ok As someone who JUST got a Xbox for christmas Im excited I didnt have high hopes and kinda just went along with everyone else thinking the game sucks but seeing this video im excited to try the game im currently playing banjo tooie cause i wanna play them in order so yeah
Its a good concept. But I think it could have been better executed in a racing game of some sort. Imagine building your own custom vehicle from scratch and racing against others with their own machines. Maybe different tracks could have different environments that require different parts to traverse effectively? And the various weapons could be used as a substitute for the classic item box structure of other racers.
Banjo drove before he ever jumped from platforms
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He also already had a racing spin-off with Banjo Pilot.
I think you give N&B a little too much credit. While I actually agree with most of your points, I think the negatives were much "louder" for me. It's not a horrible game, but it also isn't very good. It's also probably the most over thought game ever (even going to some of the different concepts, like the idea of having Grunty attempt the same challenges as the player. Though the remake of the original game with major changes was a unique idea).
It also didn't help that it was eight years from Tooie, and the 2096 tease showed players what they wanted, not what Rare had in store. Had the Banjo-Kazooie series been up and running in the years since Tooie, such a deviation would have been more accepted (though the end result may have been just as flawed). But bringing back the series after the better part of a decade of absence, and teasing a 'proper' continuation, only for the game itself to be something so different? Gee, I can't imagine why it didn't go over well...
Also, the fourth wall-breaking was taken to obnoxious levels in N&B.