Guys! I did some more research on this cart, it did in fact have a two-stroke low profile engine and that big hole in the back or that Tecumseh 3 horse it's was not there. The exhaust would run through the hole in the back and it would suck in air from underneath the frame, hope you guys read this I did like three hours of research, and haven't slept at all. Hope this helps guys! And I hope you get this message!! P.S. the cart you have was built to run on a Mini Daytona 500 Style track one shorter adult would get into it and race it around there aren't usually 20 to 30 other racers in similar cars.
@@nzzs203 I don't hang around THOTS. Silly boy, trying to trick me into going outside and "hang with girls" as the cool kids say, I spend MY precious time in the corner of my room with all of the lights off contemplating why I'm alive!
I know a lot of race karts of that era used McCulloch kart engines. They are rare now too, but out there. Idk if that was what was on it, but maybe a good choice to keep it vintage.
Shouldn't the brake flappers (the part that contacts the tires) be facing down? Maybe that's why your connecting arm is so low to the ground - it has to be up.
Its a self-boosting system, kinda. Just like in better drum brakes both brake shoes are "leading". When the flappers are like that, the tire tries to grab it instead of pushing it away, it makes the brakes much, much more powerfull.
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Ok , guys after way more talk with Dad about the Indy carts we had they were "pro kart" racing models. The Engine was a McCulloch. We can not remember HP but was not just 3, and they had dual tanks on on each side so you could run the entire race with out stopping to refuel. Go karat racing was a super big thing here back then, Dad got them so his Boys could race. Like I said there was a Track for racing them just a 1/4 mile south down the road we lived on next to the Drive in Movie place. The ones we were a bit more deluxe than this model you guys have found. But it will still be nice to see it live again. Currently I have a gas powered mini flat bed semi truck sitting in my storage shed for the last 13 years now. Wow, been that long, "health reasons" have stopped me from bring it out for parades, four seats fit on the flat bed and riders sat there for the Veteran days parades. We made tons of cool things from Trains to "riding out houses" , most are made from broken down scooters and wheel chairs, so most electric. You should be using a complete suit with face cover and out side air source when sand blasting guy, safety first.
@@verch6523 McCulloch was big in to racing in his time so who knows. I know it was the same guy that made the chainsaw line of the same name. They were 2 stroke engines back then, and these carts were faster than the cars that drove down the street, you blew them away from a standing start like nothing. To just this week end my Dad still says the carts would go a 100 mph in a straight line run, I think it was more to a scale. Still mad at Mom, remember her shaking as she got out after driving one and telling Dad they were way to fast for the kids and get rid of them
@@verch6523 - Yep, same company! Also famous for chainsaws and 2-stoke 4-cylinder target drone engines. The latter were (and are) used on gyrocopters as they became available on the military surplus market. Hey, now there's an idea - 2-stroke 4-cylinder hot rod go-kart... Hmm.
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My thoughts seeing this frame is that you should restore it and the original body keeping everything 100% original and put it on the wall. While you have the kart apart reverse engineer the frame and make upgrades. Get a casting of the body so you have a new shell. Whether the rights to the design have expired or not you can still make one for personal use for entertainment and for sentimental value. Then if later down the line you guys partner with gopowersports to offer a 700 dollar Indy Kart 2.0 or something just check with a lawyer. I love the restorations and the mods and I still want to see those videos, but I think a series about building a kart from scratch/duplicating an old kart would be awesome new ground for you guys to break and something cool and different to do. Any which way it ends up I can't wait to watch.
In a reply to the previous video I suggested making molds as well. I called it an Ikejohn kart. If they reproduce the body for sale, they can't call it anything that's been used. Factory Five ran into this problem with their Cobra reproduction. They changed the name to the "Mark II" and have been selling Cobra-esque cars without issue. If the price wasn't crazy, I'd buy one and build my own chassis.
I like your idea,but if they kept the theme just changed it a little bit like you said, 2.0 there wouldn't be any legal issues. Fiberglass is very easy to change shapes and the frame designs are limitless. They could make one that handles like a dream. Tubeular Chrome moly frame maybe? It would be spendy put a big engine w/torque converter & haul some serious ass.
I think that just doing the frame in tube or box section would be enough to make it a legitimately different frame for production. But if the guys want to make their own exactly like the other one that is still totally legal as long as they don't make a whole bunch of them and start selling them for profit.
Yes,most definitely the theme should not be changed. I must've forgot to mention that part. I did write a kinda long comment. My bad.😋 did you happen to see the guy who built a 100mph off road kart? He put a 4 cyl, I think Honda street bike engine on this thing, ATV tires. I think quad suspension front & rear. Probably quad rear axle too. It's pretty damn ugly my opinion. But this thing? Idk I'm improving with the person of it really. If I can find it again want me to post the link? I have a Yamaha Blaster the engine is seized and is cracked. I also have an 83 ATC 185 excellent running engine & electrical system. It gave me some really good ideas. There's also a guy that build a yz85 powered kart on TH-cam,his does 67mph. I wonder what I could get my 185 to do? Probably arrested and a huge ticket,huh?🙂
The cart will look awesome once restored. Glad you decided to keep the paint. Do have a few suggestions: 1) Add grease fittings or at least oil holes to the pivots (the steering shaft support, the shaft that holds brake pads on, that kind of stuff). Drill a hole in the outer sleeve, then weld a nut over it for threads since those sleeves are so thin. 2) For the brake lever being so low: Cut it off and re-weld on top of the shaft. Take a length of chain, connect to the lever, then route it to the back and around a small guide wheel (small pulley from a mower maybe?), then connect it to the link from the pedal right below the frame. 3) For the grilles do what audio guys do: make a two-part mold from MDF or plywood, put the metal mesh between the two parts, and drive a truck over the contraption to act as a press. Instant shaped grilles! That will allow you to stamp all sorts of designs into the mesh, and at the very least give it a nice edge instead of just epoxying a flat piece to the inside. If you guys want i can do that and probably even stamp your logo into them.
definitely make a mold off that body, imagine a new one with a narrower tube chassis and taller wheels on it, 200cc Lifan with a 4 speed trans could be really cool for that look.
We have a 1973 Chevy Corvette Go-Kart built by GM in Janesville Wisconsin where my grandpa use to work before he retired in 2000. Everyone at GM was put in a raffle to win the Corvette, it’s a fiberglass body, solid tube frame, and the color is Orange. Looks exactly like a real Corvette. I believe only one was built to my knowledge. I can’t forget it has a Briggs motor
As someone that mines and separated sand for a living, I can definitely tell you that it is very dangerous. It causes what is called silicosis which is a type of lung cancer. Luckily, the type of separating I do is less dangerous because there is little to no dust. I am grateful for the fact you caught this John.
In 1964, Pedwin Shoes sponsored contests in which winners received go-kart replicas of the Lotus-Ford driven by Jim Clark in the 1963 Indianapolis 500. Each kart featured a fiberglass body in Lotus green and yellow, wearing Clark's #92, with a gasoline-powered engine in the rear. Pedwin was a brand of the Brown Shoe Company of St. Louis, Missouri.
You can still use silica sand for sand blasting, you just need to use a proper respirator to protect yourself from the silica dust, also doing it on a windy day outside significantly reduces your exposure to the silica dust. Silicosis is the medical term for lung damage caused by silica dust. There are a few comments suggesting the use of glass beads instead of silica sand, but glass is made from silica sand, so it acts in the same manner when it impacts the object being sand blasted. It shatters into tiny jagged pieces of silica that get lodged in your lungs and cause scarring of the lung tissue as it makes tiny cuts in your lungs.
Sand blasting is old school these days. Soda blasting is the best way to go. Is not so harsh on the material being stripped and doesn’t give you silicosis, which is a really nasty lung condition. And of course there is no cure. Love the videos. Keep up the amazing work!!!!
I been watching this channel for a while now getting different ideas here and there. Right now just collecting pieces & parts. I'm going to use a honda ATC 185 engine and maybe the axle because it already has brakes and bearings. It's axle is on the short side. I may just buy an aftermarket extended axle and maybe spacers too. Probably pick up an old quad for front suspension & steering. I want more power than I'll ever need so it's really probably going to be a little dangerous,but not a murder mobile. I think I'll probably start with the 185,later probably put a 250 dirt bike engine on it? Yeah those doors look pretty good. I have an old 77 Chevrolet C20 converted to K20. Has computer vortech 350,& hydraulic dump bed. The tolerances in those old trucks weren't very good in the 1st place. Your door gaps are probably better than it was when it was new. Mine was completely torn apart and repaired/ painted about 18yrs ago, needed a buncha shims in the fenders for pretty good gaps. I use it so I didn't make them perfect,I still get alota compliments on it. His name is Old Blue electric blue ppg 2stage and blue inside. & I put the premium 8 lug alloys 1997 Chevy 75 dana 44 front axle 77 corporate 14 bolt out back w/ Detroit locker. No leafs that's now custom built 5 link with heavy duty bags. It's been driven sea/ord back & forth probably 4 times,rear ended numerous times has a small scratch. Just can't kill them old Chevy trucks. The 3 cars that have hit me...they totaled themselves.🙂
Happy new year, guys. Why not try some Eastwood rust encapsulator on the frame? Easier than sand blasting, and doesn't weaken the metal. Plus, it prevents future rust. Love the LMC doors. They provided a lot of parts when I restored a 1974 GMC. Go with the dual outboard fuel tanks, as another subscriber mentioned. And yes, I believe these had the McCulloch 8 hp engines, originally
it's simple, last video I described how to copy a canoe with newspaper and waterproof wood glue. a mold made like paper mache is about the same, lay up the fiberglass to the inside gets a copy same size as the original.
Back in day Brigs wouldn’t put there engines on anything that children were able to operate for liability reasons. Tecumseh , Clinton and McCulloch 2 stroke engines were the most common. If your mini nicks or go cart had a brigs it was changed out by the owner. The engine you have is a preformance / racing engine ( the aluminum flywheel ). The smaller flywheel and points/coil units were used on the 5hp engines. Port and polish mount the carb to the block and strigh pipe tuned to the engine and you were racing. Parking lots and Fairgrounds were popular places to organize an event if a track was not nearby. A good time had by all.
Good info. Ike was staring at it like it was something special. I hope they keep it around for vintage build. I like the idea of carb to block with port job and strait pipe out. How much rpm can that flywheel handle?
Solid rear axle and disc brake wouldn't detract from the looks of that kart, also might be a good idea to add a little bracing to that cold noodle frame, haha. Seriously though, keeping it completely original won't mean much if you fold the frame in half hitting a bump the wrong way. I really dig how wide it is though, it will look sick with some racing wheels and tires.
Did some sandblasting professionally in the past. The black stuff looked like black beauty, which is ground up metal slag that we used to sandblast really hard stuff like epoxy coatings and the like. Definitely hardcore stuff you don't want to use on thin metal. Look into other blasting media like soda and the like. A lot more gentle on stuff like thin metal and brick and things you want to damage as little as possible.
Use crushed glass if you can (it’s silica free). If your machine can run it, Garnet is even better (it’s heavier so it carries more energy). This is a great project guys!
Yes! Finish this one all old school, and then build a modern frame with big power to swap the body on to. I saw the wheels in Ike’s head turning once y’all got the body off “it’s so simple” 😂
If the purposes of the gokart was for fund raising and advertising maybe that's why it's so lightly built. Minimal materials means minimal weight to haul around, especially if the company had something like a panel van or station wagon. It's just strong enough to hold someone light and one person could load it up by themselves. :)
hey guys, still wondering about the angle iron frame? in those days, with only 1 wheel with traction, this framebuild was quite common, with tubing, or more stiffness in the frame the wheel with traction would Always loose grip in corners to the same side where the traction is, this frame is ment to be very flexible, simply to always have both back wheels on the ground, thats also why the body was only mounted in 4 points, with more connection points, it would make the whole too stiff too drive, or would crack the body, btw, this body had a engine cover made out of gauze? fence? not sure how to call it, i'm dutch :D this engine cover was shaped in the form of the engine cover, anyway, keep up the good work, really a pleasure to watch your channel, just please keep the wheels original, modern wheels would totally ruin the historic looks
I don't know, the more I see of this cart, I more the FRAME looks homemade! I think it was a Shriner's cart. You know, those guys who ride cool toys in parades!
Karts with bodies were common as promotionals when I was a kid in the 80s. I have many memories of the grocery store for no other reason than the Indy car kart raffles at the front of the store.
Liking this build you guys are doing. Should atleast mock up a copy of the chassis(might want to make it a tad thicker though) just to have a duplicate. Would be cool in itself also.
I have two of these carts. Mine are unrestored that were owned by a local Shriner group. They have Tecumseh engines.There is supposed to be a fiberglass shroud around the engine. I only got one shroud when I bought the pair and it had numerous cracks. It was a lot of work, but I have made a mold of the shroud to duplicate it. I might make a few extra ones. Let me know if you are interested.
I still say it would be cool to build a new chassis with round bar and swap over or replicate the steering and suspension components. On a side note, it wasn't the using of a "thicker" media, it was the mixing of the media that caused the jams in the sandblasting unit. I did the same thing with walnut shells and the black silica. And that whole cancer scare stuff is only if you do not use a respirator or filter mask and have EXTREMELY LONG exposure. Kind of like black lung for coal miners.
Meh...fiberglass isn't THAT strong, but it might do a bit. The chassis still flexed with the body bolted on when it was on its side and they checked it, so not really...
I think you should look around for a Wankel (Sachs) engine from an early-to-mid '70s Arctic Cat snowmobile or an OMC/Johnson/Evenrude rotary used in motorboats. If I remember correctly, the Arctic Cats were rated at 19 horsepower and "revved to the moon" as they used to say!
hey guys, I know you think the frame is crap because it's flexible but karts depend on flex in the frame for good handling. It allows them to lift the inside rear tire in turns so the rear tires aren't fighting each other in the turn. Real race karts are very flexible
Lots of comments on this already. Honestly I would go with modern frame brakes and wheels so you can put a bigger engine on it. Use old frame as pattern so body fits, but use tube frame with proper support bracing. Seen the rail so I know you can do it right.
I'd say do a Restomod. Throw on disk brakes, maybe some engine mods, a set of coils on the front to absorb bumps a bit better and clock the spindles for better handling.
Happy new year! I like this thing. Racing tires, maybe some wide slicks would be great for its profile wouldn't it? Wondering what engine you'll go with. Cool project.
Hey guys blast the frame keep it if it's that valuable but I kinda doubt it just build a streamline frame and put some balls on that beauty. Fellow Carolina boy here. Really like your channel!!!
Lovin this project. I second the suggestion already made earlier to take a mold of the body .... there will be a market for replica bodies, it's a design icon 😎
I can't believe that this is very original. For one there are crooked cuts in the body to fit the body everywhere. It looks more like someone built it in the garage, out of the wreak of the original gokart, within a few hours or something. Though this is not necessarily a negative, hotrods and choppers springs to mind and folk art.. I would not mind knowing just how original it realy is thou.
I use play sand for sandblasting because it's clean and dust free. Drawback is you have to dry it. I put in on cookie sheets and pizza pans in the oven at 500 degrees until its dry.
Crushed walnut crumbs,are the 'new sand blast material'.Saw the doors in the last vid,and wondered.I'm wondering if the cart wasn't "Carnival" built too..?..as in .50cents for 5 laps..type.? Have another Great New Year too.
Crushed walnuts don't work on rust or even paint very well. I have a #500 pot, and a 125 CFM joy compressor from a sandblasting business I used to operate. The only thing I used walnuts on was a log cabin to take the age off and give it a rough sawn look. Plastic beads (crushed buttons) will remove paint, but wont do much to rust. If you want grey metal you need abrasives.
Hey carsandcameras guys I've had two of these over the years an one had a flathead Briggs other didn't have engine on it when I got it but to answer the brake ? For you guys it's upside down the pad that touches the tire needs to be flip over love the videos you guys do keep it up
There is merit in having a flexible frame it's like inbuilt suspension. A rigid frame is what you what when you are using suspension, but in a rigid axle setup a little flex will help.
Okay guys here's what you do you build a subframe that attaches to but does not modify the existing frame so that your subframe stiffens up and cross braces as it should and perhaps even reaches to the end of the axles for extra bearing support
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Can't wait to see want you guys do this year.
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Guys! I did some more research on this cart, it did in fact have a two-stroke low profile engine and that big hole in the back or that Tecumseh 3 horse it's was not there. The exhaust would run through the hole in the back and it would suck in air from underneath the frame, hope you guys read this I did like three hours of research, and haven't slept at all. Hope this helps guys! And I hope you get this message!! P.S. the cart you have was built to run on a Mini Daytona 500 Style track one shorter adult would get into it and race it around there aren't usually 20 to 30 other racers in similar cars.
looks like a jim clark indy 500 winner lotus ford replica people one in contests back then
lost sleep??? Too much time on your hands. You need to go hang out with some women...girls... However old you are.
@@nzzs203 I don't hang around THOTS. Silly boy, trying to trick me into going outside and "hang with girls" as the cool kids say, I spend MY precious time in the corner of my room with all of the lights off contemplating why I'm alive!
I know a lot of race karts of that era used McCulloch kart engines. They are rare now too, but out there. Idk if that was what was on it, but maybe a good choice to keep it vintage.
Back in my day, McCulloch were often referred to as chainsaw motor conversions. Fast as hell.
Shouldn't the brake flappers (the part that contacts the tires) be facing down? Maybe that's why your connecting arm is so low to the ground - it has to be up.
Was thinking the same thing
Its a self-boosting system, kinda. Just like in better drum brakes both brake shoes are "leading". When the flappers are like that, the tire tries to grab it instead of pushing it away, it makes the brakes much, much more powerfull.
That make sense
These expensive karts were sold to people with paved driveways... or went to kart tracks... mall parking lots... weren't expected to be used off road on grass/dirt... prolly came with cheap 2 1/2 HP Clinton A490 2 cycle engines... main expense was designing/fabbing/molding/producing the fibreglass body... and, yes, it had like self-energizing 'power brakes'...
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Ok , guys after way more talk with Dad about the Indy carts we had they were "pro kart" racing models. The Engine was a McCulloch. We can not remember HP but was not just 3, and they had dual tanks on on each side so you could run the entire race with out stopping to refuel. Go karat racing was a super big thing here back then, Dad got them so his Boys could race. Like I said there was a Track for racing them just a 1/4 mile south down the road we lived on next to the Drive in Movie place. The ones we were a bit more deluxe than this model you guys have found. But it will still be nice to see it live again. Currently I have a gas powered mini flat bed semi truck sitting in my storage shed for the last 13 years now. Wow, been that long, "health reasons" have stopped me from bring it out for parades, four seats fit on the flat bed and riders sat there for the Veteran days parades. We made tons of cool things from Trains to "riding out houses" , most are made from broken down scooters and wheel chairs, so most electric. You should be using a complete suit with face cover and out side air source when sand blasting guy, safety first.
Wait... McCulloch like Paxton McCulloch the same company that made superchargers?
@@verch6523 McCulloch was big in to racing in his time so who knows. I know it was the same guy that made the chainsaw line of the same name. They were 2 stroke engines back then, and these carts were faster than the cars that drove down the street, you blew them away from a standing start like nothing. To just this week end my Dad still says the carts would go a 100 mph in a straight line run, I think it was more to a scale. Still mad at Mom, remember her shaking as she got out after driving one and telling Dad they were way to fast for the kids and get rid of them
@@verch6523 - Yep, same company! Also famous for chainsaws and 2-stoke 4-cylinder target drone engines. The latter were (and are) used on gyrocopters as they became available on the military surplus market. Hey, now there's an idea - 2-stroke 4-cylinder hot rod go-kart... Hmm.
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My thoughts seeing this frame is that you should restore it and the original body keeping everything 100% original and put it on the wall. While you have the kart apart reverse engineer the frame and make upgrades. Get a casting of the body so you have a new shell. Whether the rights to the design have expired or not you can still make one for personal use for entertainment and for sentimental value. Then if later down the line you guys partner with gopowersports to offer a 700 dollar Indy Kart 2.0 or something just check with a lawyer. I love the restorations and the mods and I still want to see those videos, but I think a series about building a kart from scratch/duplicating an old kart would be awesome new ground for you guys to break and something cool and different to do. Any which way it ends up I can't wait to watch.
In a reply to the previous video I suggested making molds as well. I called it an Ikejohn kart. If they reproduce the body for sale, they can't call it anything that's been used. Factory Five ran into this problem with their Cobra reproduction. They changed the name to the "Mark II" and have been selling Cobra-esque cars without issue. If the price wasn't crazy, I'd buy one and build my own chassis.
I like your idea,but if they kept the theme just changed it a little bit like you said, 2.0 there wouldn't be any legal issues. Fiberglass is very easy to change shapes and the frame designs are limitless. They could make one that handles like a dream. Tubeular Chrome moly frame maybe? It would be spendy put a big engine w/torque converter & haul some serious ass.
@@thomascaffrey5572 Niether of them know how to Tig weld, and you can't build a chromoly frame without Tig welding ability.
I think that just doing the frame in tube or box section would be enough to make it a legitimately different frame for production. But if the guys want to make their own exactly like the other one that is still totally legal as long as they don't make a whole bunch of them and start selling them for profit.
Yes,most definitely the theme should not be changed. I must've forgot to mention that part. I did write a kinda long comment. My bad.😋 did you happen to see the guy who built a 100mph off road kart? He put a 4 cyl, I think Honda street bike engine on this thing, ATV tires. I think quad suspension front & rear. Probably quad rear axle too. It's pretty damn ugly my opinion. But this thing? Idk I'm improving with the person of it really. If I can find it again want me to post the link? I have a Yamaha Blaster the engine is seized and is cracked. I also have an 83 ATC 185 excellent running engine & electrical system. It gave me some really good ideas. There's also a guy that build a yz85 powered kart on TH-cam,his does 67mph. I wonder what I could get my 185 to do? Probably arrested and a huge ticket,huh?🙂
The cart will look awesome once restored. Glad you decided to keep the paint.
Do have a few suggestions:
1) Add grease fittings or at least oil holes to the pivots (the steering shaft support, the shaft that holds brake pads on, that kind of stuff). Drill a hole in the outer sleeve, then weld a nut over it for threads since those sleeves are so thin.
2) For the brake lever being so low: Cut it off and re-weld on top of the shaft. Take a length of chain, connect to the lever, then route it to the back and around a small guide wheel (small pulley from a mower maybe?), then connect it to the link from the pedal right below the frame.
3) For the grilles do what audio guys do: make a two-part mold from MDF or plywood, put the metal mesh between the two parts, and drive a truck over the contraption to act as a press. Instant shaped grilles! That will allow you to stamp all sorts of designs into the mesh, and at the very least give it a nice edge instead of just epoxying a flat piece to the inside. If you guys want i can do that and probably even stamp your logo into them.
definitely make a mold off that body, imagine a new one with a narrower tube chassis and taller wheels on it, 200cc Lifan with a 4 speed trans could be really cool for that look.
I'd really like to see you guys build a side besides running the fan for adults make it fast make it light make it neat
I think the Frame is so because it will flex to work as a Suspension to keep all wheels on the ground
Yep, flexes for uneven surfaces...
We have a 1973 Chevy Corvette Go-Kart built by GM in Janesville Wisconsin where my grandpa use to work before he retired in 2000. Everyone at GM was put in a raffle to win the Corvette, it’s a fiberglass body, solid tube frame, and the color is Orange. Looks exactly like a real Corvette. I believe only one was built to my knowledge. I can’t forget it has a Briggs motor
As someone that mines and separated sand for a living, I can definitely tell you that it is very dangerous. It causes what is called silicosis which is a type of lung cancer. Luckily, the type of separating I do is less dangerous because there is little to no dust. I am grateful for the fact you caught this John.
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In 1964, Pedwin Shoes sponsored contests in which winners received go-kart replicas of the Lotus-Ford driven by Jim Clark in the 1963 Indianapolis 500. Each kart featured a fiberglass body in Lotus green and yellow, wearing Clark's #92, with a gasoline-powered engine in the rear. Pedwin was a brand of the Brown Shoe Company of St. Louis, Missouri.
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You can still use silica sand for sand blasting, you just need to use a proper respirator to protect yourself from the silica dust, also doing it on a windy day outside significantly reduces your exposure to the silica dust. Silicosis is the medical term for lung damage caused by silica dust. There are a few comments suggesting the use of glass beads instead of silica sand, but glass is made from silica sand, so it acts in the same manner when it impacts the object being sand blasted. It shatters into tiny jagged pieces of silica that get lodged in your lungs and cause scarring of the lung tissue as it makes tiny cuts in your lungs.
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Sand blasting is old school these days. Soda blasting is the best way to go. Is not so harsh on the material being stripped and doesn’t give you silicosis, which is a really nasty lung condition. And of course there is no cure.
Love the videos. Keep up the amazing work!!!!
I been watching this channel for a while now getting different ideas here and there. Right now just collecting pieces & parts. I'm going to use a honda ATC 185 engine and maybe the axle because it already has brakes and bearings. It's axle is on the short side. I may just buy an aftermarket extended axle and maybe spacers too. Probably pick up an old quad for front suspension & steering. I want more power than I'll ever need so it's really probably going to be a little dangerous,but not a murder mobile. I think I'll probably start with the 185,later probably put a 250 dirt bike engine on it? Yeah those doors look pretty good. I have an old 77 Chevrolet C20 converted to K20. Has computer vortech 350,& hydraulic dump bed. The tolerances in those old trucks weren't very good in the 1st place. Your door gaps are probably better than it was when it was new. Mine was completely torn apart and repaired/ painted about 18yrs ago, needed a buncha shims in the fenders for pretty good gaps. I use it so I didn't make them perfect,I still get alota compliments on it. His name is Old Blue electric blue ppg 2stage and blue inside. & I put the premium 8 lug alloys 1997 Chevy 75 dana 44 front axle 77 corporate 14 bolt out back w/ Detroit locker. No leafs that's now custom built 5 link with heavy duty bags. It's been driven sea/ord back & forth probably 4 times,rear ended numerous times has a small scratch. Just can't kill them old Chevy trucks. The 3 cars that have hit me...they totaled themselves.🙂
Thomas Caffrey Sounds Cool!
Love the build! Resto mod with tall skinny white-wall era specific tires and modern internals would be super cool.
Would love to see more mini bike videos
Whoa I'm so early. I feel like I'm in the VIP section
I was just going to comment about the silica, but I stuck around till the end. Good start guys
Enjoy these builds 👍
PB Blaster man! Works every time
Cool project guys.
I think a vintage motorcycle or snowmobile engine and a disk brake swap would be killer.
Maybe a polaris indy 500 engine ;)
A rebel 250 engine would be crazy
Happy new year, guys. Why not try some Eastwood rust encapsulator on the frame? Easier than sand blasting, and doesn't weaken the metal. Plus, it prevents future rust.
Love the LMC doors. They provided a lot of parts when I restored a 1974 GMC.
Go with the dual outboard fuel tanks, as another subscriber mentioned. And yes, I believe these had the McCulloch 8 hp engines, originally
A great video series would be if you could create a replica of the Indy 500. That way you don't cause any damage to the original Indy 500.
it's simple, last video I described how to copy a canoe with newspaper and waterproof wood glue. a mold made like paper mache is about the same, lay up the fiberglass to the inside gets a copy same size as the original.
More flex = more suspension = more comfort
Back in day Brigs wouldn’t put there engines on anything that children were able to operate for liability reasons. Tecumseh , Clinton and McCulloch 2 stroke engines were the most common. If your mini nicks or go cart had a brigs it was changed out by the owner. The engine you have is a preformance / racing engine ( the aluminum flywheel ). The smaller flywheel and points/coil units were used on the 5hp engines. Port and polish mount the carb to the block and strigh pipe tuned to the engine and you were racing. Parking lots and Fairgrounds were popular places to organize an event if a track was not nearby. A good time had by all.
Freedom Amrican I didn't know that but makes sense I've never seen brigs on a go cart.
Good info. Ike was staring at it like it was something special. I hope they keep it around for vintage build. I like the idea of carb to block with port job and strait pipe out. How much rpm can that flywheel handle?
Let's make 2019 even crazier! Keep up the good work guys!
Solid rear axle and disc brake wouldn't detract from the looks of that kart, also might be a good idea to add a little bracing to that cold noodle frame, haha. Seriously though, keeping it completely original won't mean much if you fold the frame in half hitting a bump the wrong way. I really dig how wide it is though, it will look sick with some racing wheels and tires.
Did some sandblasting professionally in the past. The black stuff looked like black beauty, which is ground up metal slag that we used to sandblast really hard stuff like epoxy coatings and the like. Definitely hardcore stuff you don't want to use on thin metal. Look into other blasting media like soda and the like. A lot more gentle on stuff like thin metal and brick and things you want to damage as little as possible.
I entered a part of your guys' world yesterday and went go karting. It was the best 30 mins ever
Use crushed glass if you can (it’s silica free). If your machine can run it, Garnet is even better (it’s heavier so it carries more energy). This is a great project guys!
Resto mod, old body on new style frame....
Yes! Finish this one all old school, and then build a modern frame with big power to swap the body on to. I saw the wheels in Ike’s head turning once y’all got the body off “it’s so simple” 😂
@@claytonharmon3699, a frame like the back to the Future kart. That would look and perform great.
Rebuild the entire rear end of this chassis so it looks right
NO.
All (98%) of you are talking about changing it. Even though I don't care for it, that's EXACTLY what they said they don't want to do...
Re clear the body? Also frame stiffening? Love this build
Great presentation and interesting project. Thank you
Happy goodyear men!
If the purposes of the gokart was for fund raising and advertising maybe that's why it's so lightly built. Minimal materials means minimal weight to haul around, especially if the company had something like a panel van or station wagon. It's just strong enough to hold someone light and one person could load it up by themselves. :)
I like Black Beauty media, Coal slag strips away old paint and rust fast and easy
The 2 of y'all are so good together
Can't wait to see it done
Mike that truck is looking good
Put a set of wheels and tires like the two on the front of the drag rail on all four corners. That would give it a vintage Indy look.
You guys should make some merchants that says: "Alright Dude"!
hey guys, still wondering about the angle iron frame? in those days, with only 1 wheel with traction, this framebuild was quite common, with tubing, or more stiffness in the frame the wheel with traction would Always loose grip in corners to the same side where the traction is, this frame is ment to be very flexible, simply to always have both back wheels on the ground, thats also why the body was only mounted in 4 points, with more connection points, it would make the whole too stiff too drive, or would crack the body, btw, this body had a engine cover made out of gauze? fence? not sure how to call it, i'm dutch :D this engine cover was shaped in the form of the engine cover, anyway, keep up the good work, really a pleasure to watch your channel, just please keep the wheels original, modern wheels would totally ruin the historic looks
I don't know, the more I see of this cart, I more the FRAME looks homemade! I think it was a Shriner's cart. You know, those guys who ride cool toys in parades!
Karts with bodies were common as promotionals when I was a kid in the 80s. I have many memories of the grocery store for no other reason than the Indy car kart raffles at the front of the store.
I liked the idea of a mold of the body. I'd like to see a second newer version to mess with more.
Liking this build you guys are doing. Should atleast mock up a copy of the chassis(might want to make it a tad thicker though) just to have a duplicate. Would be cool in itself also.
The chassis looks like a home job. Body looks factory.
I have two of these carts. Mine are unrestored that were owned by a local Shriner group. They have Tecumseh engines.There is supposed to be a fiberglass shroud around the engine. I only got one shroud when I bought the pair and it had numerous cracks. It was a lot of work, but I have made a mold of the shroud to duplicate it. I might make a few extra ones. Let me know if you are interested.
I still say it would be cool to build a new chassis with round bar and swap over or replicate the steering and suspension components.
On a side note, it wasn't the using of a "thicker" media, it was the mixing of the media that caused the jams in the sandblasting unit. I did the same thing with walnut shells and the black silica. And that whole cancer scare stuff is only if you do not use a respirator or filter mask and have EXTREMELY LONG exposure. Kind of like black lung for coal miners.
You guys are amazing keep up the good videos
Q? does the fibre glass body form a strengthening member once bolted into situ, hence the rather simple ladder frame?
Meh...fiberglass isn't THAT strong, but it might do a bit. The chassis still flexed with the body bolted on when it was on its side and they checked it, so not really...
If ever in a fibreglas boat, know it can be quite rigid, but this thing flexed to keep all tires on ground on uneven surfaces...
Needs a vintage McCulloch or similar 2 stroke!
Somehow I lost your channel in my subscriptions and then this is the first video I see. I’m excited to go back and watch what I missed out on.
I think you should look around for a Wankel (Sachs) engine from an early-to-mid '70s Arctic Cat snowmobile or an OMC/Johnson/Evenrude rotary used in motorboats. If I remember correctly, the Arctic Cats were rated at 19 horsepower and "revved to the moon" as they used to say!
hey guys, I know you think the frame is crap because it's flexible but karts depend on flex in the frame for good handling. It allows them to lift the inside rear tire in turns so the rear tires aren't fighting each other in the turn. Real race karts are very flexible
I’m thinking they built the breaks upside down! In my opinion anyway
happy new year cars and cameras
Looks like a good Shriner-mobile.
I said that in last video. The shiners here have about 15 of the exact ones around here.
Yup! That thing is cool!! Do it right, true to it’s past
Get some sheets of aluminum, and make a custom body for it! I would definitely brace the frame as well. The Indy kart is really cool!
Idea here take the old style brake off and install a disk brake setup! Also put the built Briggs y’all have in it !
Thanks, guys. I'm from the time period of this kart and haven't ever seen it.
Trucks lookin good Bro. John! Can't wait to see the finished product.
Powder coat the frame...not expensive at all...especially if you blast it first. Love that cart. The truck is coming along nicely John
I'm glad you're doing this right. Take your time.
Lots of comments on this already. Honestly I would go with modern frame brakes and wheels so you can put a bigger engine on it. Use old frame as pattern so body fits, but use tube frame with proper support bracing. Seen the rail so I know you can do it right.
I'd say do a Restomod. Throw on disk brakes, maybe some engine mods, a set of coils on the front to absorb bumps a bit better and clock the spindles for better handling.
John "silica causes cancer and lung problems "
Ike "whoops...." 😂😂😂 love it!
Happy new year! I like this thing. Racing tires, maybe some wide slicks would be great for its profile wouldn't it? Wondering what engine you'll go with. Cool project.
Hey guys blast the frame keep it if it's that valuable but I kinda doubt it just build a streamline frame and put some balls on that beauty. Fellow Carolina boy here. Really like your channel!!!
Lovin this project. I second the suggestion already made earlier to take a mold of the body .... there will be a market for replica bodies, it's a design icon 😎
I can't believe that this is very original. For one there are crooked cuts in the body to fit the body everywhere. It looks more like someone built it in the garage, out of the wreak of the original gokart, within a few hours or something. Though this is not necessarily a negative, hotrods and choppers springs to mind and folk art.. I would not mind knowing just how original it realy is thou.
Happy new year, I think it could make a good Shriner go kart
I use play sand for sandblasting because it's clean and dust free. Drawback is you have to dry it. I put in on cookie sheets and pizza pans in the oven at 500 degrees until its dry.
The 66 is starting to come together. Looks great and I've ordered parts for my old 80 C10 from LMC and I love them!
Happy New year boys looking forward to this build....slowly working on a mini bike with a mitsubishi motor and I've made a few mistakes, that's life.
What's up guys! I've had great luck using a mini vice grips to lock onto stripped panhead screws similar to the ones on the body. Sure beats grinding.
YEP,THIS IS HAPENING!!! 3 HP GO-K/VINTAGE UNDER RESTORATION.KEEP IT COOL GUYS,HAPPY N YEAR!
Crushed walnut crumbs,are the 'new sand blast material'.Saw the doors in the last vid,and wondered.I'm wondering if the cart wasn't "Carnival" built too..?..as in .50cents for 5 laps..type.? Have another Great New Year too.
Crushed walnuts don't work on rust or even paint very well. I have a #500 pot, and a 125 CFM joy compressor from a sandblasting business I used to operate. The only thing I used walnuts on was a log cabin to take the age off and give it a rough sawn look. Plastic beads (crushed buttons) will remove paint, but wont do much to rust. If you want grey metal you need abrasives.
@@tinkerne-round4079 Thank you.Saved me from ordering a case.Yikes.
Good video guys I love go karts an old cars an trucks I never can wait til the next one
It looked like there were snaps for either a cover or a wind screen. Would i be right on that?
Happy New Year!!!
Gonna be a awesome project! Keith
cant wait to see the truck done.......
Tractor supply sells copper slag fine grit media 30/60 red label
7.99 bag 50 lb
It’s black beauty or black diamond same stuff
it seems counterintuitive but back then they wanted the flex in the frame it was used as part of the suspension even in cars
I love the old Indy car styling. I have ever since I saw the old lotus Indy cars at the Barber museum in Birmingham. Great videos guys!
6:47 😂. Crazy that's really how it was made back then. Sweet none the less
Starting the new year making something old new!
Happy New Year Guys. You brought a smile to my crappy day...but then again..its always good to see you guys.
Love the notifications from this channel😁
Hey carsandcameras guys I've had two of these over the years an one had a flathead Briggs other didn't have engine on it when I got it but to answer the brake ? For you guys it's upside down the pad that touches the tire needs to be flip over love the videos you guys do keep it up
There is merit in having a flexible frame it's like inbuilt suspension. A rigid frame is what you what when you are using suspension, but in a rigid axle setup a little flex will help.
Okay guys here's what you do you build a subframe that attaches to but does not modify the existing frame so that your subframe stiffens up and cross braces as it should and perhaps even reaches to the end of the axles for extra bearing support
Wide racing wheels and a built vintage motor would be awesome.