Trying to picking the best water based paint to use
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, we'll be examining five different paints: Johnstone's Aqua Guard, Dulux Heritage, H&G TouchGard, Scuffgard, and, of course, Benjamin Moore ScuffX. Join me as we explore and discuss my thoughts on each of these paints. I'm curious to know what paints you use and what your opinions are on these particular options. Feel free to share your thoughts in the comments!
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Thank you Phil ......
I’ve spent that long watching videos, mostly yours Phil, to find the right paint that I could either have taken on a night school course and started my own business by now, or invested my time in a second job to pay for oak doors and a joiner so I never need to paint a damn door ever again 😅
Scuff x for me Phil 👌🏻
I have tried the heritage and as Phil says it’s nearest to putting an oil base on. That said I found the second coat pulled a little. Maybe a little water to ease would help. my favourite at the moment sprayed is isomat isolac lovely finish With scuff x a close second.
Colortrend is the best water based finish for wood,its hard wearing with a good skin and so nice to apply,stays white too,like all water based finishes you must apply two top coats for optimum finish
Phil you’ve made my day…. 🥳informative and you included the two paints I’ve been struggling to choose between…. Dulux Heritage eggshell and Aqua Guard 😅👍🏻
Glad to help
Little Green Intelligent Gloss, Caparol Haftprimer, Tikurilla Helmi, BIN Aqua - a minefield indeed, but all quality gear - I'm never without a tin of Permawhite. Not tried the Aqua Guard yet.. SO much to choose from. Love the matt finishes on furniture - even F&B Dead Flat is nice gear.
its a shame PuGloss is only a 65% sheen level :(
I really like the Fleetwood water based satinwood. Goes on well and has a great finish.
Great video, very helpful. But that Dulux paint is 25% more than the rest. Love Stuffx
When all said and done you cant beat traditional undercoat and gloss
Yeah.... 16hrs drying times and white going yellow.... Oh the good old days lol
I use BM Simply White Scuff-X. Really nice.
Good to know!
I know you don't believe in mixing brands but my go to bow is Crown fastflow undercoat as opacity is incredible and bedec aqua advanced over top... Not had a problem in a year now
Bedec Aqua Advance UC/primer is very good. Quick drying and solid
Hello Sir, I’ve been a Painter and Decorator or brother of the brush as I like to describe myself for 55 years and since they stopped making oil based undercoat and gloss to the old specification you can’t get the same quality finish ie: if you used a good quality oil based paint you could rub it down with silicone carbide paper or wet or dry sandpaper then use a quality pure bristle and get a finish you simply can’t get with a water based paint on a smooth surface and how can they justify the huge jump in the cost of this water based paint.
It's moving with the times I'm afraid . Have a watch of this, see what you think...
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I've been a decorator for 15 years and have not come across a better water based satin than BM scuff x. Once it is fully cured it is so smooth! As with all water based systems the opacity is weaker than oil based. It's a trade off with that and the yellowing you get with oil based.
What’s your opinion with using these paints via a sprayer? I have 13, 6 panel internal doors that are currently clear coated. I’m not decorator so ,oozing for the method that gives the best, durable finish and is easiest.
I understand that the new regs on voc in paint has driven the paint manufacturers to formulating new paints but I can’t understand professionals putting additives into these paints for whatever reason as in doing this would void any claim if the product fails, I’ve worked with Crown Paints and their Specifiers and Chemists enough to know this.
@@johngibson540 If I were you I would find out what clear coat you have on your doors and after that it depends on what type of finish you are aiming for this will determine the specification you have to follow to get there, I personally would take advice from the paint manufacturers / suppliers depot staff.
Found oil based white yellowing way too quick nowadays. Been on water based for a while now.. as you said,, if you can handle a brush properly you can handle Aqua Guard 😉 cheers you’ve been a great help for in figuring out what to try..
Albany oil satin doesn't seem to yellow still white after over 6 years without next to no UV light
Thank Phil, yet another very informative video. Have you done a video on types of brushes, I find this subject confusing.
Not yet!
Phil, going over varnished panel doors. With any of these would you still use the recommended primer/undercoat or use Bin?
BIN is a good get you out of jail paint for that. still give a sand for a key.
Some brands of paint now days, their primer/Uc is an adhesion paint too, which more than likey would be ok.
Remember, if things get banged, they normally chip as well
Crown Fastflow? Not bad stuff and one of my favourites. Scuff x is great, heritage eggshell good too.
Colourtrend is easily the best water based paint.
In America we usually put Semi Gloss Enamel on doors and trim and the best paint I have come across is Ben Moore Regal Select
Thanks for sharing!
have to admit Phil, despite having a 'square car' down her in Cornwall......., i am going back towards Spirit base satins and glosses. I find the water based to be pretty good but lacking shine and being delicate. I like the toughness of Spirit Base and how easily you can wipe off Emulsion from a cured finish. I like the brans of WB ones like Zinsser and Dulux ect
a square car? Lada?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator hahah, no the Kia Soul mate..... did some experimenting yesterday on my contract, used classic gloss and the Zinsser ACE Gloss. Classic gave a smoother glossier finish but takes ages and customers can smell it in next office even with odourless spirit. The Zinsser i like, no smell, dries fast, but not as glossy. i have tried others like Dulux and Bedec .
@@timothyosullivan6079 Kia Soul, what ever happened to those, ran for about 3yrs?
The smell is an issue with extended drying times with oil.
Used Bedec Aqua Advaced Gloss this week, dries in an hour, two coat on in the day. I got the UC on the day before once I'd done the ceilings, then next day did the walls and some of the Uc areas I got a first coat of gloss on (radiators and wind sill), third day.. got the 1st Gloss on the areas needing it, finished the 2nd coat on the stuff i did the day before.. then final coat on the rest.
Large room, done for 3oClock...then could get cleaned up,, shook sheets, vac up knowing all the woodwork was dry.
I have been using Dulux trade diamond satin on my last few jobs, and find it really good, Have to adapt at laying it off, as it will run, 5ltrs less than 80.!
I used Scuff X mix to paint my kitchen and found that nice, but thought the Dulux was just as durable once cured.
Was using this on a school contract, not impressed at all with durability, can peel it off with your finger nail on areas done 6mths ago. Really is a poor product & another reason why I'll never use their paints. Originally advised either Scuff X / Zinsser Allcoat which we're now using the Allcoat without any problems.
@@djeat757 what base did you use?
@Kunard2112 Zinsser Cover Stain, followed by 2 x Diamond Satin with a key up between. It's still soft to the touch, was apprehensive when I took the job on as previously was used by other contractors elsewhere in the school and peeling / scratch marks everywhere 🙃
@@djeat757 That's what I use as well as a base , and ok on scratch test. I would of used a tough oil eggshell if it was out of term time.
It is not the kids scrapping it? I have a adhd kid and I know their like 😂
@Kunard2112 100% it's probably the environment with the amount of kids here! Just found the Allcoat really tough so I've stuck with it.. used it on the woodwork & doors at a hotel a year ago & there's not a mark on it, also sprayed the sash windows with it..completely stripped back to bare with a prime of cover stain then 2 x Allcoat. Held up really well only a stones throw from the Sea, well pleased.
I would imagine Phil that Scuffx spread rates are a little higher or better than the rest.
Isomat for me Phil just saying 😉
I was surprised he didn’t include it as was a big fan from memory. Have you tried the others? Be interested to know what you think vs Aqua Guard.
Clare should have her own show , she,s great
Clare from Steps?
@ProfessionalPainterDecorator
Have you done an upload like this for all the water based glosses you've tested?
No, there are water base gloss testing in the product reviews though.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator
Yes mate I think I've watched them all I shall check again. Good work keep it up 👍🏻
Zinsser Allcoat for me, bullet proof
is it? Not on uPVC though ;)
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@ProfessionalPainterDecorator agree regarding uPVC Phil, but you can't beat Kolorbond (not really an advocate of painting uPVC anyway). Just personal preference / opinion I feel it's more durable than its competitors, especially with a coverstain primer coat. beforehand.
Hi Phil,
Great video. Thanks for that.
I have a question.
Do you think Dulux oil based Undercoat can cover the wood filler or is better to use primer over the wood filler first to not flash ?
Thanks
whats going over the Oil Undercoat?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Dulux trade High Gloss
@@war3405 its not a bad idea to spot prime bare areas first, use some dulux acrylic primer/Uc (or similar in another brand.)
"Minefield"
it blows your MIND
Phil, cheeky question. I have new MDF skirting and architrave ready primed from supplier. What water based undercoat and topcoat paint would you use?
what finish?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Gloss white . Thank you for responding
Can Scuff X go over old oil WW or need a zinzer?
sand down and coat up.
Unless its a colour change, you can get away with two coats
What’s your opinion re the following. I’m not a painter just diy. I have 13 internal 6 panel doors and I’m wondering which of these would be best and should I spray or brush/roll. For those decorators out there what would you charge per door to complete? Great vids. John
To start with. How long to prep the door. UC and two top coats... On just on side.
Both sides and I imagine will require 3 coats
@@johngibson540 allow 30mins a coat, per side?
So 1 hour per door. What sort of hourly rates are normal?
@@johngibson540 watch this and give some feed back.
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I'm after an oil based finish but water based paint as it's exterior wood and the customer lives in a city, so doesn't want to leave the windows open for 24+ hours. Any advice would be amazing
Have a look at Isomat Isolac paint.
Or Caparol PU satin/gloss
Bedec Aqua Advance also worth looking at
Farrow and Ball exterior paint also very good.
Always prep well and prime/UC then two top coats.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator ohhhhh ace thanks, I've used isomat premium, was excellent. I'll have a look at both. Thanks for the recommendation
Hi Phil, I'm using Tikkuriĺa Otex Akva Primer as the 1st coat on painted wooden doors but in parts it's separating with what looks like oily spots - the cabinets were sanded and cleaned with clean spirit, any ideas what could be causing it?😮
If 'clean spirit' is turpentine substitute, it's oil based and the paint will ciss. In my experience, degreasing with Zinsser Universal degreaser is the only way to prep woodwork that might be contaminated (always around handles) before sanding (or you just rub the grease into the work)
You'd be better to wipe over and clean with Meths.
It will evaporate and not leave an oily surface.. like White Spirit.
You may find that spray cleaner/wax is still on the surface.. the meths would clean that off.
Meths and wire wool may be an idea to do it next time.
just purchased 2.5 litres jonos aqua guard today £38 inc vat.and its not on offer ,ace decor chorley, the aqua guard undercoat brilliant stuff not been out long.both my go to paints.and the undercoat is not a brush wrecker not like the aqua undercoat.
Good deal 👍🏻 do you thin it? As Phil says I find it can be a bit more difficult to work but it also runs so I’m reluctant to add a drop of water in case it goes full Usain Bolt on me! Finish wise it’s nice when it doesn’t run and I use decent brushes.
@@Liverpool1ne yes I put about 30mls water in 2.5 litres,but some batches don't require any water,I can tell when I open new tin and stir it,but to be honest I've never had it run on me,i use an arrowworthy classic 2 inch long handle angled sash.and 2 fussy blokes on doors and window ledges.
@@mrg2384 I’ve had few runs but enough to make me dislike the paint despite the nice finish. Will experiment with a drop or two of water see if it helps. I’m no expert but am fairly competent with woodwork paints. I think the issue is if you put too much on and can’t drag it out quickly enough to avoid the brush marks then it runs. Technique no doubt but so far Dulux Heritage eggshell has been a good alternative, thinner goes on nicer, no runs. Just has a weird smell!
@@Liverpool1netry paint conditioner instead of water
@@Lloyd1885 thanks I’m going to give it a go 👍🏻
A further question. All of these are clearly great paints that come with a high price. For a low use domestic situation is the price really justified?
Without a doubt - a litre of paint costs around an hour's labour - painting an entire room costs around 0.2% the value of a property - these are vague figures, but the point is, a good paint job MAKES a domestic space that has already had considerable investment. Prepping a space only to use sub standard gear is a wasted opportunity.
Have a look at the video I did on Fortress satin from Screwfix. Well worth looking at
@@ProfessionalPainterDecoratorThanks Phil. Watched your video which looked great but somewhat unnerved by the number of very negative reviews on the Screwfix page
I’m sure the tag line is mine field not mind field lol 😂
but it's clearly a MIND field when we talk paint lol they all do our head in lol
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator agree with that… I still need to send you that Lucas brush … I sent candleman one and he wasn’t too impressed lol
@@2010dgizzle that £89 1.5"?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I think it’s 3”
Is'nt it 'Mine Field'.
It is.
I wondered who'd pick up on the play on words lol
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator haha! I love your videos ❤❤❤
Put aura in the mix that comes in 1l or just under,and a panel on a door really ain’t gona show opacity and application,nice neckerchief btw
you need to watch the full door painting videos with each paint... set a side a free weekend to go through the back catalogue ;)
Surprised Bedec aqua Satin was not on their mate.
£22 for 1 litre 👍
Enjoy the video.
Bedec Aqua Advance Satin, is best used as the three coat system, like Caparol PuSatin/Gloss and the Isomat.
One primer/Uc and two top coats.
all very good paints.
Thanks for the reply mate👍
So these paints in the video can go straight over oil mate.?
@@painterman8863 yes. Make sure you give a sand down for a key, dust off etc.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Thanks
No WRX? Odd
I've done vids on WRX though
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I’ll stick with oil based gloss
None of these modern water based paints shine
They are not hard wearing either
Happy to be a dinosaur 👍
I've been a pro Decorator for nearly 40yrs now, just don't use water based trim finish paints indoors, because they are CRAP 🤮just use acrylic primer u/c & finish using oil based paints, trust me it's the only way😉
Acrylic primer UC then a coat of gloss?
Most have satin/eggshell these days though.
@ProfessionalPainterDecorator or yes, gloss,satin or eggshell, you'll always get a good finish with decent well known trade quality brands😉I personally never use acrylic primer u/c on windows, i stick to oil equivalents around moisture areas.
And oil Eggshell and satins are self Undercoating anyway, so no need to use acrylic with those.
What wb paints have you tried ?
Why are you pricing the rest as 1 litre surely that's biased.. Aqua guard works out around £11 per litre if you have a trade account.
Scuff guard aint got great opacity imo after testing this and touch gard. They ain't brilliant white either mate.. Think they are a ral white.
Pm1 has a greyish tint which aids opacity better than chantilly lace.
Give tikkurila intact a go!
Its slightly thinner than AQ but doesn't creep on them mouldings. 😮
There is a hack with using aqua guard now.
@@carlbridge-wk4ez what’s the Aqua Guard hack….? Interested to know as I like it bar the runs
mainly, DIYers who are just doinga room out won't be looking to buy 2.5 or 5ltrs of woodwork paint to do a lounge out etc.
We know, the more you buy the cheaper it works out, but doing it as a litre can ppl can understand it more.. I hoped.
Did you ask your dyslexic six year old son to write the title on this video? 😂😂😂
It's all spelt perfect
Aqua Guard runs like fuck.
Aqua Guard runs like Matt Hancock when his wife found out but it’s a nice finish 😅
Hancock's Half Hour?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator that’s the one 😂
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Definitely still running after half an hour...
I've heard it runs less if you add some owattrol floetrol and a splash of water to the mix?