Comparing 4 Types of Home Depot Paint (Don’t Waste Your $$$)
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Jeff why did you choose that color? Lol
I've never had to wash a wall except a bit by a wall switch
Valspar at Lowe's is *worse*. It will actually dissolve mud on a repair and it never completely cures.
we do remodels and my favorite to use is valspar signature it is nice to work with and holds up well, second favorite is sherwin super paint but prefer the signature since it sags less. both cost about the same here 209 for valspar and 211 with sherwin discount both bought and used in the last month for different owners. Bher is good on coverage and holds up but boy does it like to sag you need to go back and check it a few times.
Sico?
Jeff, I'm an engineer and former co-owner of a construction company. I'm "retired" now but keep active by consulting. One of my primary oversight divisions was our painting division. We've had annual training from US-based paint companies in the use, application and coating complications that arise.
First thing I observed from your video -- you nailed it: using a 15 mm microfiber roller for all paints is a recipe for failure, especially with thicker paints. It's a common mistake -- one that is often overlooked by professionals and home owners alike.
Second, 400 SF/gal is wishful thinking by the paint companies' marketing departments (who, I believe, have never painted a room in their lives). 400 SF/gal may be applicable but only in ideal conditions. A better estimate is between 275 - 350 SF/gal depending on the condition of the interior surfaces. [More on that next.]
Third, repainting new home construction will (a) get coverage of about 300 SF/gal at best; and (b) you need to apply two (2) coats to seal the wall and get good color rendering no matter what brand/sheen/coverage claim. Most new homes in the US are drywall construction; most production painters (because of fixed cost contracts) do not prime drywall. They spray relatively inexpensive paints that dry quickly, so that 2 coats can be applied economically. The result is a "thirsty" wall; any 1st repaint will soak up lots of paint with poor color appearance (if using only 1 coat) no matter what the product label says about 1-coat coverage or not.
Four, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS PAINT-AND-PRIMER IN ONE. Paint products are a chemical coating. Primer is chemically different from top coat paint. I'm 70 and this is the 3rd or 4th time the paint companies have rolled out this nonsense of all-in-one paint. According an engineering source at one of the two top paint brands in the US, all-in-ones simply have more solids added to them; that is, they're not primer, but wall paints with less transport agent and more of the solids. Solids are part of what makes the final paint coating hard. more solids blocks the existing undercoat from "bleeding through" after the newly applied top coat dries. But, what you gain from increased solids is lost as other components of paint -- like acrylics that make paint washable or scrubable are decreased.
Last, two (2) coats works better (for coverage and color rendering) than one (1) coat ... period. Coverage does not equal quality appearance. I got a lot of push-back on this from HOs and some painters, but once I took the HOs into a room where half of the room had 2 coats and the other half had 1-coat, the complaining stopped. Also, every sharp-eyed interior decorator readily noticed where my crews applied 1-coat vs 2-coats.
As for Behr Paints in general, IMHO they've deteriorated in quality since the early- to mid- 2000s. We used Behr Premium Plus back then and it was a decent paint. Now? Garbage.
My favorites:
For interior PPG (Speed-Hide, Hi-Hide Brilliant White (Flat) for white ceilings, UltraLast), Benjamin Moore (Arua, Regal) and S-W (Cashmere, Emerald) (in order);
Exterior: S-W (Resilience, Emerald), PPG (Acri-Shield Max, Permanizer), Benjamin-Moore (Aura, Element Guard).
20 years of owning a painting company and I agree with you on everything you said. I have used mostly PPG products. Manor Hall(Acri-shield Max) is my favorite exterior paint. Speed hide is a great product too,
Yep, you nailed this one! PPG made Glidden. Here I go again with Glidden but I'm telling you two coats of Glidden and it's an absolutely stunning paint job.
By the way, Behr was my account in Philadelphia located near the Chester waterfront. Nobody ever bought that stuff in Philadelphia. They couldn't give it away. We were a Sherwin-Williams city or PPG. This is just great because my daughter was pushing me to get Behr and to keep her quiet I went with it thinking they may have improved. Thanks for confirming what I actually felt about this paint, that's great as I have 10 gals of Marquee already tinted sitting in my basement that's 10 different gallons, variety of paints and colors.
See, you picked PPG first for interiors. Totally agree. I've been painting since I was about 12 years old, I'm from Philly and we had a 5 & 10 cent store on my block which was there since the 1920's where I used to buy my paint. I was a strange kid, everyone else was playing, I was painting our house. We also had a Pittsburgh Paint store at the other end of my block, at 12 I couldn't afford to buy that paint so Kresge's it was. Luckily, the HD where I live which is in the mountains did not increase the price last fall. I guess I got a bargain on the Marquee as it was less than 50 bucks a gal. We're also from the same generation. Only you're a great writer, you think I would be since I come from a family of Carnegie Award winning writers. My Aunt won the Award in 1939 for Radium Woman. I digress, now I want to buy more paint but I think the window of reasonably priced paint has closed. Oh well, two coats it is. Great response to his video.
This dude knows what he’s talking about! Behr is absolute rubbish. Agree with almost everything said here. The only parts I may not agree with is simply because I don’t have experience with that particular product but you nailed everything else so I trust the rest is coming from expensive. I’ve used Behr (multiple lines), Sherwin Williams (multiple lines), Benjamin Moore(multiple lines). Benjamin Moore Aura is an outstanding product. Go back to Behr from that and you’ll be wondering how they even sell that stuff.
No serious painter I know uses bher
Thank you for your detailed post, from obviously a great deal of experience. So, a new drywall should be primed using a dedicated primer, followed by 2 coats of the top coat? Sanding in between coats or is that only appropriate for older surfaces?
Yes, please do a head to head series on paint comparisons. Don't forget to label the winners in different categories. We love these kinds of TH-cam series.🎉
Cheers will do!
Yes this is exactly what we want! PPG vs Sherwin Williams etc etc Love the channel!!!!!
Agree - in some cases the paint store paints are even more confusing. For example, Sherwin (in the US) has their economy line (Superpaint), and then three higher lines that overlap in price, coverage, and finishes (Emerald, Cashmere, and Duration). In the pro line, they sell all these, plus ProMar 200/400.
As a DIY homeowner, with a major painting project maybe once every 4-5 years, I just don't use the stuff enough to know which of six different, but similar, interior latex paint lines is right in which situation. I'm totally guilty of just defaulting to HD/Behr because I'm already in there, and Premium Plus has always worked 'fine' as a two-coat paint for me.
I also found the finish of the one-coat paints underwhelming. They're like painting with oatmeal, and very easy to get sagging and/or flashing. In the end it's just easier to get a nice looking finish with two coats, and start with a product that's designed for that.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY absolutely would love to see you compare PPG, SW and BM side by side on a stained up wall. One room with one coat, another room with two coats - if you're really gonna get scientific about it..
@@JustinBilyj Could always just put 3 drywall sheets next to each other and not actually have to paint walls
Yes, please compare Benny Moore, Sherwin, Dulux and all the others. Thanks to you and the crew.
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Yes! Been watching for years. Do a comparison from what you would personally use if you were doing the job. S-W vs PpG or S-W vs PpG vs Behr. Or all S-w vs Pp5 vs Behr vs B-M
Jeff, 22years of painting experience here (only painting practically daily, not everything else like yourself). I'm here to confirm you were right about behr paints 20+years ago. The technology has changed greatly just like cell phones and the gallons today perform vastly superior across the entire product line. They also have cheaper contractor grade behr paints down to 25bucks a gallon that perform just as well as the 50 bucks variant. The golden standard, and the paint of your dreams, is going to be the Sherwin Williams emerald for walls. It leaves behind such a smooth even finish to where the entire wall looks like it was dipped in paint as one piece at a factory. Inspecting it from every angle imaginable, spreads like a dream (unlike these thick ones) and doesn't sacrifice coverage, ultra smooth finish, it just looks unreal, and if you know what you're looking at, which you clearly do, it'll be instantly noticeable. Everything will just look next level flawless. To really appreciate the difference you have to see it on a 20' tall wall with lots of side lighting. When we do high end homes it's our go-to product. And of course, as you've figured out in the video, a nice thick microfiber nap makes a world of difference during application.
Great insight, I've heard great things about emerald and I've also heard duration is a great trim paint. I personally have been using benjamin moore ultra spec 500 for the more economic jobs and something like Regal Select or Aura for high end.
Have you ever worked with Ecos Paint? If so how does it stack up relative to similar options?
Really interesting! Do you have experience with Benjamin Moore Regal Series Simply White? We just used it on a job and the painter mega struggled with coverage much more than our usual Sherwin Williams paints
My best friend, and probably worst house painter on earth, (she WILL 100000% get paint on ceiling, and all crown moulding) RAVED about the Sherwin Williams Emerald line and her cut ins looked pretty good for the worst painter on earth. And with your high praise, I can’t wait to try it!
May I ask you a few random questions about your favorite SW colors? What is your favorite bright? Your favorite super dark color (interested in what undertones you think like best for a dark wall). And what is your favorite sherwin Williams paint color of all time (even if you would NEVER personally use it.) It can be a white neutral, I won’t be mad about it. 😂 I’m a curious soul and I’m so interested in professionals and their answers.
Agree with this. Always used emerald as trim paint until homeowner was buying the paint for a job and bought the wall paint color in the trim paint and trim paint color in the wall paint. I was very happy with emerald for walls. Good thing to note there's 2 different versions, emerald and emerald urethane. The emerald urethane is great for trim but hard to work with because it's an alkyd. Kinda like a hybrid water based that acts like oil. It wouldnt be as good for walls in my opinion. Just some of my experience with it.
Always make sure Home Depot employees give you the pour spout for the true Behr lids with the little circle on the lid. They are free just like the stir stick and lid opener you didn’t ask for
Yep, I know....I was just crying watching that paint wasted!!
I knew about the stir sticks, but they will give you lid openers? My dad always just used a screwdriver but every project I've needed paint for I either had a Phillips head or no screwdriver so I always fight with it
@@Mitchacho74 Not the lid opener they have pour spouts that make pouring 10x easier.
@@Mitchacho74 They give you a poor spout, paint sticks and lid opener for free. You may need to ask them as they become very busy and customer service is sometimes questionable.
Can’t ever get those to work. The kids always get vacuumed sealed and break those free cones trying to unscrew them
Hi Jeff,
I am a retired paint chemist, and loved your video. I wish I had several hours to spend with you and explain the science behind everything you did here. To put this in perscective, the formulation of a paint and coating is almost always cost verrsus the desired performance. Stain blocking uses some unique pigments, addives, and nowdays, even unique polymers(latexes) to obtain this. A common pigment through the years has been zinc oxide, which is a bifunctional pigment. I has stain blocking effects, good hiding versus some of your inexpensive filler pigments, and even has microbiological benefits(keeps paint from spoiling in the can). As for the splattering, there are way too many reasons to explain here. The pigment volume concentration(pigment amount to polymer amount), and the biggest two, the latex sysstem used, and the thickening agents. Many of the polymers used to thicken a coating have worse or better spattering. But like everything, it's a cost benefit analysis. Paint formulaters can make paibt do just about anything you want. But government regs, and good old costs, which include raw materials, manufactoring, transportation, and in a case like Behr, marketing, determine what is practical. Keep up the great videos:)
I’m a furniture painter….I’ve wondered why the furniture paints are so so expensive!
@@stephaniem895 -- One simple reason might be that the home centers at least don't sell them in large containers, and small ones are always more expensive. Second is that you may find more oil based paints for furniture.
Umm,your an idiot from a 30 yr painter😂
I agree with you 100%. I would like to see some ISO ASTM standard test results which have more controlled test parameters. One method I have used to pick a good paint, is to look at the ingredients listed on the can. More of the expensive ingredients usually equals a better paint. For example, TiO2 and the Acrylic latex are two the most expensive ingredients. The more of these ingredients the paint contains compared to the competition, the better the paint. TiO2 gives the best stain hiding and the more acrylic gives better washability and weather resistance. Cheaper paints will have more inexpensive CaCO3 filler. I admit this is an "in general statement" because there are different acrylics with different performance characteristics and paints contain different small amounts of ingredients like leveling agents that affect how a paint coats and spreads. Even TiO2 comes in different grinds and grind compositions. Thus, the final say must be determined by actual test results in a humidity-controlled lab under more controlled conditions on paint bought at random off the store shelves from different stores, to detect batch to batch variables in the paint.
Well said! The average person has no idea that volumes of whole books have been written on pretty much every thing you touched on here. One point you brought up is big, temperature and humidity. Most coatings testing happens at 77F. It's hard to have a humidity controlled room, but I actually did have one available at ExxonMobil. But even that was hard to control, with Houston being so high in humidity, arg. The only thing I really used that room for was testing polymer(latex) film permeability. Application temp and humidity is a huge variable also in things like viscosity, and of coarse changes things like splatter resistance, sag, ect. You might have great splatter resistance at 65F but take that up 5 or ten degrees, totally different. And it's not linear of coarse either. My kids tell me folks to never get dad started talking about paint lol. @@onebrightflash
As a paint chemist, I can add to this great video! Paint quality has two sides: initial qualities (color, spatter, hiding power, viscosity) and long-term performance (color fading, scrub resistance, peeling).
Remember, there's always a trade-off between price and features. Ask your paint store staff about qualities you need based on your project (rental unit, long-term use, etc.).
Great video, but paint quality goes beyond the initial application!
That can also has a plastic spout (from the store) that helps remove the cap and prevents paint from running down the side when your pour it.
Yea they just started doing that at my local HD. A total game changer for me.
You have to ask for it most of the time. The several times ive gotten paint for jobs i have to ask for it.
@@tr1ggerCxreally? They just gave the stack of spouts at mine and you can grab one.
I always forgot to ask about it, until a year later. I asked them and they said it's on the counter. , I grabbed a couple. lol
great idea by them that still drips (not as much) and introduces plastic to an industry where recyclable metal cans were fine with a simple plastic insert that reusable. I HATE these plastic cans now and will choose based on ones that are not plastic
Definitely would like to see Behr vs SW. I'm especially interested in getting paint that doesn't splatter everywhere. I'm clumsy and I want paint that stays in the roller.
Great suggestion!
I love sherwin williams, but I go slumming sometimes...
Agreed. I've used SW, Bear and Valspar. I personally prefer Valspar over both. Never had good luck with SW, especially their semi-gloss trim paint.
SW Emerald Urethane is what you want for trim. Beautiful paint!@@seephor
Project Farm has compared some of these
I painted, well plastered and then went with exterior Behr Marquee.. amazing, the whole bathroom is waterproof, no grout joints, its always clean. People think I'm nuts when I say i painted the inside of my shower but it's cool.😇
The paint and Primer 2in1 ive never had to use 2 coats. I love it. Its been my go to for years. I also had 4 kids trashing my walls. Very washable and durable. ❤
Thank you so much, i was running through all the comments for someone to validate that me doing 1 coat of paint is enough as by looking at it I feel i do not need to do the drill all over again :D Also first time painting an entire house , so this helped me a lot.
Thoughts on doing a blind test? Have someone else pour each brand in the trays before you enter the room. Results might be interesting and entertaining!
That would have made me feel like this test was less biased, especially if he threw in his beloved Sherwin Williams paint!...
😂😂😂
Agree since he already has a bias
I missed the part when he said it was a scientific test, and got out light measurers, and weighed the paint with a scale. Sily me- I thought he was giving us the opinion of a 30yr painter, not that of a scientist.
I agree he loaded the paint very rough for the second one. There was an audible difference
Yep too much bias. He sounded down right angry to even be trying Behr paint again. lol
As far as the 3rd gallon for inside closets...I generally recommend all closet interiors be bright white and eggshell. Any color in a closet just makes them dark. Flat paint in a closet does hide a lot of construction sins, but in trade for showing every touch, rub, or scrape of normal closet use. Your milage may vary.
It’s not only makes the closet look dark. It also makes it feel smaller.
Exactly! This has been my reasoning for years, why inside closets should pretty uniformly be painted white in a finish that is wipeable.
Re Closet. My thoughts exactly. Thanks for pointing that out.
And if they are white or off white you don't need to repaint them when you change the color of the room. I just went from pale blue grey to light cream on the walls and the closets are fine with both!
I had a 8 by 2 reach-in closet with mirrored doors perpendicular to a roughly 24"x 48" south-facing window. The bedroom wall paint was Behr Baja, basically a light khaki. I painted the inside of the closet a soft black, and everyone said it would make it too dark. I trusted my vision and glad I did. It made my clothing, shoes & accessories pop against the dark background, and low visibility was never an issue. It looked sleek and finished. The shallow depth with the added benefit of south facing window made this work, though I saw in there just fine with my normal overhead light in the evening. It's possibly my favorite design decision I've ever made. Context is key! We've since moved, and I'll be painting the interior closets very light pastel colors to up the LRV. Even my bedroom closet which has a sizable east-facing window will be a light color. I personally don't usually care for bright white closets. They look very spec home/ builder-grade to me. I like a little personality where I house my clothes
My wife picked out the Behr Dynasty and we painted our whole home with it. Used a spray gun. It’s very flexible and durable. You definitely only need one coat as long as your drywall is already primed, or the wall already has a similar color paint.
I LOVE Behr paint. I PUT 1 COAT coverage to the challenge all the time. Just FYI, Behr has a free pourspout that you screw right into the little circle that comes off the top.
Also, the entire lid comes off, so that you can reposition the pourspout and hammer it back on. And Behr paint doesn't seem to stink like Sherwin Williams paints stink.
Really enjoy your videos. TY
Always a fan of your channels! Yes, please do a head to head of the major paint brands. Let's make it as fair as possible and pull the cheapest line and the most expensive (or your preferred line) of each paint brand just like you did with Behr, using the recommended rollers/equipment for each and see the results side by side. Can't wait!
Deal!
As a DIYr who painted many rooms myself, I liked Behr paint because one coat seemed to do it.
Anyone who can admit when they're wrong gets respect in my book. Thanks for doing this review! I've not even put up drywall in my basement, but this will eventually come in handy. Until then, your other videos are invaluable! And I am living in a warzone in my home - 3 kids, 2 dogs (Great Pyrenees) and 2 cats. So I'll need "the good stuff."
Save yourself some heartache and prime/seal that drywall before finish coat painting. Your results will be better.
i just like your reply
😱 You blew my mind when you sanded the wall but didn't wipe it down afterward! Who would do this? That's a recipe for disaster. As a retired professional painter, I've used all the top brands and can't say that twice the price in paint guarantees better results. I've used Behr paint in my own home and have always achieved good results. My favorite paint, Muralo Waterborne outperformed any other water based paint I used, but is no longer available - it was worth the higher cost. Half of the time, the final finish of a wall will depend on the previous paints already on a wall, especially cheap flat paint. Like you said, the prep is more important for the final To ensure a nice finish over those, I would sand and wipe down, and prime before adding two coats of topcoat. Your close-up showed an awful lot of paint roller lint, not good, not caused by the paint. This video spent a lot of time without producing much wisdom regarding the value of the different paints to match their prices.
I worked for Benjamin Moore for over 10 years and I still love it.
HOWEVER... Behr has definitely stepped up it's game!
I've also been a professional painter for 25 years.
You did touched on some of the issues you're having with it. These paints are designed to have specific characteristics.
Rolling like a maniac is not going to help you with these scuff resistant products. You'll see that with Benjamin Moore's Aura paints as well. Understanding the properties of these paints and applying them accordingly is key. Splatter is not a measure of how good the paint is, it's a matter of how good the painter is. Different coatings require different application techniques.
I'll tell you right now, for the price point Behr's scrubbable flat is hard to beat. It's the lowest sheen of "scrubbable flat" that I know of. I used it in my bathroom. I take long, hot, unvented showers. It might as well be a sauna. Zero issues...
I have walls that are almost black. ZERO burnishing! Even better than Benjamin Moore's Aura.
Roll slow, with the lowest nap for your texture and you'll have zero splatter. That's just how you roll thicker products. 🤷♂️
If you find a non-burnishing, scrubbable product with a lower sheen at that price point, let me know. I'll jump on it in a heart beat!
Until then, I'll continue recommending it to my satisfied customers.
It's a great product! 🤷♂️
It's probably been about 8 years since I worked in the Home Depot paint section, but we worked very closely with the Behr rep fairly regularly. It was thanks to his product knowledge and willingness to test the paint that gave me a lot of confidence in Behr. What you said about Behr Premium is pretty true' its a good, low cost paint, a high end contractor paint paint. However, Behr Ultra isn't a one coat paint and never has been; that's the whole reason they introduced Marquee. Marquee, as well, is only a one coat guarantee with Marquee colors, too. I don't know anything about Dynasty, as it was released well after I had left that job.
Every single one of those labels recommends using primer, as well. While they are stain blockers, when used correctly, and Marquee is proven washable when used correctly(I've watched permanent marker get washed off) marketing is always going to make outrageous claims on the front label. It's so, so important for consumers to read the label and follow instructions to get the best use of their paint.
So, in my experience, a 10 x 10 room will take 2 Gallons of the Premium Plus, 2 Gallons of the Ultra, 1 Gallon of the Behr. Again, I can't vouch for Dynasty.
Been about 4 or 5 years for me since I was Paint DH for my 2nd time. Behr's OSR was pretty darn good in my market as well. They were very hands-on and high-energy as well as being long-standing rep for their company (I had the same Behr OSR in both locations I worked at for all 5 years I worked there, and they weren't brand new to begin with). I usually staged a couple cases of THD's "Best" paint starter kit at the desk as it had nice 3/8" woven roller covers inside. That was generally the right kit to use to paint the Behr. In addition I usually had to remind the homeowners to make a job of cleaning the existing walls and letting it all dry, if only to keep cobwebs off the final finish.
My biggest reminder to people was this: all paints are primarily chemistry experiments. Follow their instructions and you can get their results.
Dynasty is good paint, it’s just very thick.
I’ve been painting for 25 years. I never did commercial, only top-end homes outside of Boston. We used Benjamin Moore almost exclusively. About 6 years ago I had a customer insist I used Behr paint. I loved it. I now only use the premium plus on my projects. I agree with your assessment of the “top end” Behr products… just not worth it. This wasn’t just a “I found a new thing,” as I also had a customer insist I use Sherwin Williams paint and I will never touch that garbage again. I have had marker on a painted wall that I easily washed off with a magic eraser, so I would say the premium plus has a good deal of “washability” to it.
Great video. I appreciate the way you break down the subtilties of quality vs. price vs. performance. The tips on technique such as, which way to turn the roller handle towards the direction you're moving, are golden!
Great test. I normally use the $50 Behr paint, and have been happy with the results in every room.
I had a contractor suggest Behr i300. Depending on what / where you're painting, it worked great. Actually required two coats but, as suggested, that's almost a given. $24/gallon.
Jeff, you have demonstrated the Behr brand paints and highlighted your concerns. Please do a comparison against what you have been using or what you consider to be better. I do not like painting but want to do the best job I can (after watching your videos again) with the best product the next time I have to paint. Thanks for all your educational videos!
Great suggestion!
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
Walmart Color Palace is made by Sherwin Williams. It'd be interesting to compare it to others. We used the exterior semi-gloss 25 yrs ago with amazing results... just saying maybe don't disqualify store brands bc they're made by the same manufacturers
Yes, do the comparisons against other brands. I’m sooooo conflicted on what to use!
I've used a bunch of paints over the last 15 years professionally and many more before that. Often times I use whatever someone wants to buy. The best paints are the behr dynasty and Sherwin Williams emerald paint. Ppg has some products that I like for exterior metals and etc. Having said that. I'm not stuck on one paint over another.
Situations help me determine what I use.
If you want a low sheen paint, like flat or eggshell, and you're painting drywall anything will work with a couple coats, especially because flat paint is easy to fix with new paint and it will blend with an old coat. The only time I would consider using a more expensive single coat paint is if the colors are really different.
For me the best time to use expensive paint is if you're painting something that needs to be extra durable like exterior trim. I also like to use expensive paint in places that are difficult to paint like around windows or up high like on the exterior fascia, especially if the paint underneath is really old and cracked.
I dynasty is great stuff, but the marquee paint still has a lot of benefits at a lesser cost. Goes on thick. Good UV resistance. And you can back even years later, which I have, and paint over damage or something, and the paint will match perfectly like it was all new paint. 0 paint fade or discoloration.
There are no Behr products that are worth it.
SW emerald is the only way to go
@@DavidWood-qw8rq marquee and emerald are basically on the same level. I've used both plenty and can't go wrong with either.
@@DavidWood-qw8rq emerald is very good like I said, but if you factor in price and maybe color pallette/ease of procurement(location of paint), and etc, marquee is a very good option. And if you don't care about price, dynasty and emerald are equals. When's the last time you've used behr?
Valspar is really good.
I've used that Behr paint and primer product a ton and I have never had any issues with it - I actually really like it. I've never upgraded to the Behr higher quality paint because I figured at that price point you're getting close enough to a Sherwin Williams and I've never had any reason not to just use the "lower end" paint and primer.
Thank you! Great video! I'm not a professional painter, but I've been painting my own homes, and my apartments for years, and I learned a lot in this video
I’d love a comparison between Behr, SW, Valspar with two coats. I’d also love to see the difference of sanding between two coats and not sanding…using the best of the three.
Sw... all day
I've used Behr paints for two decades. I'm impressed with their Exterior formula. It's been there for over 10 years on my 2d floor (botton is brick) and it still looks good, even on the South side which is fully exposed to sun. I do have wide eaves, too, so it's all around somewhat protected from water.
exterior tech is pretty good since 1990. It is the butt hanging out of your shorts wall paint that I can't stand. Cheers!
I must disagree with you.
Back in the 90s, I built a porch on to my house.
I pre primed everything with 2 coats of primer,. Before I started the build.
Once it was built, I purchased the best bear paint I could by at HD. A blue and a white.
I put 3 coats on this porch.
Within 2 years the paint started fading and pealing.
Total 💩.
More recently in 2018. I painted a duplex for this guy. And he'd already picked out the colors and paint he wanted to use.
Which you can guess what brand paint he chose.
Anyway I sprayed and back rolled it.
I prepped everything, especially all the trim, cause it was bad. The trim was white.
Anyway I got the exact same results.
Within 2 years the paint started to fade and peal.
Total 💩.
@@assog5737 Sorry to hear that, but it doesn't change my experience. I did have one incident where I went to buy exterior paint and the associate pulled interior paint base, which I didn't noitce, but my painter did when she began putting it on the next day. I returned it and got replacement. That lasted 7 years until i got tired of the color and put on what I have now.
Hi Jeff, My son in law said this video was a good watch. I have to agree. I am an older retired gentleman and still very active. I like to do my own work until I can't do it. I learned a lot from your video today. Thank you.
Pro painter for decades.
Big fan of Sherwin Williams.
I’ve used behr in both my houses and my office. For the last 12 years. I like it. It’s held up excellent. I usually use the premium ultra line. I painted my military truck with marquee though haha! I used sw at work a few times and it seems decent as well. But as far as durability and coverage I have had excellent results with behr and I usually use a half inch nap premium roller too, don’t know if that makes any difference
Would love to see a video from you that shows or compares the different brushes/rollers. Soft vs Hard brushes, 10 vs 14 mm roller, etc.
Love these new side by side test videos
I’m a product and lighting designer. Incandescent through CFL and LED luminaires. I believe conventional closets should be white. Be it PVA, Kilz, Bin, or $$$ Super Galactic White. For maximum utilization of what is normally a centrally located often A-lamp light fixture, a high reflectance value of walls and ceiling (not obscured by closet contents) is desirable. The light starting from let’s say a 3100K source with a high CRI (color rendering index) will be altered by any color it is reflected from. The more saturated and darker the color like your blue sucks up lumens and can shift color perception. What looks good in the closet may not look so good out of the closet, so to speak. Love your delivery and breadth of knowledge. Better than network, eh?
I'm a painter and usually use sherwin williams duration or emerald. During covid they were out of everything and i was forced to use behr. I've been pleasantly surprised with marquee and liked dynasty enough to use on my own house. Dynasty is my go to if someone wants flat sheen, it is easy to clean and holds up better than other flats. The behr i300 is a great paint for flip houses at a ridiculously cheap price point. Performs as well or better than SW promar 200. Downside of marquee is it films over and thickens fast in hot weather. Also the plastic behr lids are great with the spout. The ones without the spout are virtually impossible to reseal properly.
I'd love a comparison of Benjamin Moore paints. I'm a professional furniture painter and use Benjamin Moore Scuff-X weekly over their Stix primer. It works great for me, but I'd love a side by side comp.
I used the stix and bm advance combo on cabinets and it turned out really nice. Tried zinzer primer before that and it was horrible...like trying to sand gummy bears.
I worked for Benjamin moore for over a decade.
INSL-X and Coronado were both excellent buyout for Benny. You'll be hard pressed to find a better primer than Stix.
Zinsser Shellac isn't bad. You just need to spray it out and spray it out well. It's a waxy substance produced by beetles and it's definitely hard to sand.
Stix's only downfall is going over heavy stains, and that's when shellac comes in for the rescue.
There's never a "best product". Only a "right product for the job".
No stains that'll bleed through? Go with Stix.
Got stains? Grab some Zinnsser BIN and spray it out.
That's how I roll at least. 🤷♂️
Stain blocking very much depends on the nature of the stain and the type of paint. The rule of thumb is paints won't block stains which share their solvent/binder. For example, most permanent markers use a shellac based dye, so it will just bleed through shellac based paints/stains (such as BIN), but latex and oil paints should be able to block Sharpie stains given enough coats.
When covering permanent markers, a lot of the time it's better to just skim coat first. Then prime and paint. Of course with textured walls, that's always feasible.
This video was both educational and entertaining! As an artist who has done a fair bit of scenic painting, I've become my friends' and families' go-to room painting assistant and it's good to see where I've been doing a good job (and what I could do a little more professionally!) I really love the side-by-side comparisons of both how it looks on the wall and what kind of mess it makes as you're loading your rollers. Super useful and cool!
I have only actually helped to paint walls once in my entire lifetime, so I am by far no expert but what I gather the most from this video is read the directions on whatever paint you’re buying and apply it with the proper equipment the way it tells you to apply it I think this is going to hold true with any paint no matter the cost. That is what I gather the most from this video. Thank you.
As a painting contractor the past 35 years I really enjoy watching you expain the quality difference that comes with price.
Explaining to customers point why I choose to use paint in any given situation is one of the most important things I do (except for prep).
Sorting through the variables with clients helps to put them at ease and establishes right up front that they made the right choice in hiring you. One just needs to be careful not to explain to the point that their eyes start to roll back in their head (this will happen just before the head explodes), they are not as interested. In all seriousness, there are many things that go into a paint job that will last 20 years and if a contractor uses inferior paint then the money saved on the front end will cost so much more in the longer run. Anything that prepares the client for making the right choice is better for all of us.
Hey Jeff, 40 years back I worked for a paint manufacturer that eventually became part of Sherwin Williams. We had paint sleds and zebra cards. A sled and card stock were common, back then. We would slide paint from 30 mils down to a half mil. The card would dry and you understood hiding power and spread thickness requirements. Very simple engineering calculations. Also, our chemist would tell employees, countless times, "paint dry time is based on temperature, humidity, and air flow". One last point, two years back I painted an old house with smokers, before I sold it. Berh worked great. But, serious stains would slowly bleed. Three weeks later I could see nicoteen EVERYWHERE. My best advise is use one coat of stain seal on all old work and 1-2 coats of finish on top. Stains can take weeks to show up. Thanks Jeff for this demo.
Hi Jeff. I use Sherwin Williams mostly, but sometimes the Behr paint. I would like to see the comparison. I am a two coater as well.
During yeah
Duron
I just renovated my old home and LOVE Behr paint. It covers great!
Thanks for the comparisons! I've used Behr paints for years-not because I particularly liked them, but really just because they were convenient. I've repeatedly noticed the "heaviness" and excessive texture of the finishes and have thought that was an issue with my technique, but this helped me understand that is not the case. I'm going to try something else for my next painting project, possibly Sherwin-Williams Emerald.
I use Behr for all my home projects and love it. Just did a black accent wall in the living room. I always do two coats and backroll. Always comes out perfect. Also, those new spouts for the behr cans are great.
I disagree about the "new" can lids. You can't just stick a brush in for a small job. Also the silicone spouts don't work on them. The last time I bought Behr paint, it has this type of lid. I could get the the damned thing off the can. That in itself is one reason not to buy Berh.
@lancedoyle5026 I use a small plastic reusable pale for small projects. Those spouts keep me from spilling paint everywhere. To each their own 😉
Love the Marquis Behr paint. I am 71 and a landlord. Satin one coat for me.
Yes, these product comparisons are very helpful and interesting! In addition to the dust product comparison, it allows for a natural technical discourse on different aspects that you observe along the way with each product.
Used Behr dynasty on my living room last year and premier plus in a couple bedrooms. You can definitely tell the quality difference with the dynasty, rolled on way thicker and the finish is like a hard candy coating almost. Used an eggshell finish for both
I’m actually loving the roller removal tap. Definitely a pro painter move!
Sherlock Wooster roller frames are great. I have a 9", 4" and 4" minI and won't use anything else. The locking rings holds tight on good quality rollers.
A empty pail rim works great to tap off the roller keeping any mess from getting on the floor.
Awesome video! Thank you. I'm planning on doing my kitchen this week. (and I hate painting because I always mess something up!) Your video gave me a lot of confidence. The one thing that I never heard of was sanding between coats.
I noticed that if you choose a one coat listed color, it works just as well with there economical paint to preform as one coat. Some colors pigments are just naturally transparent and will not be listed as one coat. Its about the pigments, not what behr can you use. Regarding sharpies, due to there ingredients, they will keep leaching through paint even if it appears covered at the moment, even days. It's better to try to remove as much as possible with alcohol first or a Magic erasers which are great for removing many different types of stains. Better then covering it to then keep painting over it.
I've painted two full houses always using Behr Premium Plus and I love the result. As a DYI guy and painting my own house, I'm really satisfied with the results. And of course, a lot of techniques I learned from your videos. :)
I've had good luck in the past with the Behr Premium Plus. Just bought a new house last year and thought I would upgrade to the Marquis. Worst pain I've ever used. Weirdly thick but poor coverage.... Up to four coats in some rooms.
I contacted Behr with some pictures and they gave me a 50% refund on the 28 cans I bought
@@sociopathmercenary Why are some of these paints as thick as mayonnaise?
Excellent video, very helpful, thanks and keep up the great work, your videos have helped me no end - it is amazing how much my wife appreciates the decorating now!!
I've been using leftover white paint from painting the trim as a primer. Works for me and saves a lot of money on expensive primer too.
Best painting video. Good information delivered straightforward without whiny annoying intros and talk. Thank you! I feel confident about my Behr paint choice now. Thanks.
The scuff defense is what I’d recommend for places like classrooms- it isn’t expensive, and you can wipe off almost anything (pencil, pen, shoe scuff) with a clorox wipe or alcohol wipe!
Thanks to your videos I have started my own handyman side business and painting is probably the highest requested things people want done. From what I’ve seen and done I always recommend a paint based on area. If it’s not a high traffic area then behrs premium is the go to that I recommend. If it’s high traffic then I normally recommend sherwin Williams emerald line. I would like to see a video comparing all of the cheapest options from the different companies out there (behr, SW, Dutch boy etc..) I think that would be insightful especially for they DIYers trying to save money.
I painted my dining room ceilings and walls with Behr Marquee. I had no idea that spray aspect was not normal. It sprayed everywhere and easily took at least two coats. It also leaves flakes if you sand it down that you have to rub to get to come off your walls.
Great video presentation and knowledgable advice to your viewers that reflects all the interior painting things I've also learned the hard way over the years. 😊
I used behr dynasty to paint the
Doors and trim in a house that never had been painted since it was built in 1948. The old white oil paint had turned very yellow. White dynasty covered it in 1 coat no primer . I had tried BM Aura and it needed 2 coats. The dynasty dried quick and seems very hard and durable no sticking when you closed the doors
that is the wrong paint and it will peel under pressure. always use a transition primer when going from oil based to water based paints.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 years hasn't peeled yet with kids living in the rooms. Besides I was just trying to cut back on my time and get outta there to get it sold
@@ObshowersyndicateYou just got lucky. Never paint over oil paint with latex unless you sand it down to the base or use a grip primer
Loved this and appreciated all the insights. Would love to see more of this with Valspar, SW, BM, etc.
I can’t tell you how much I enjoy your videos. You’ve inspired me to build my own shed! I’m following the A to Z shed build right now, here in Oregon.
loving it!
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤. Thank you!!!! I’m about to paint my first level. And this video helped me with my selection without regrets. Thank you!!!!!!
We normally use Sherwin Williams Emerald (think thats what its called) anytime we have rooms painted. Recently, i bought a gallon on Behr Marquee. Have to say, it felt just as good as the Sherwin. It covered great and looked amazing with one coat. Also, if you're using Behrs new can, why not use the free pour spout that comes with it?
Head to head comparison between major brands would be awesome.
coming soon!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIYthat would be great since sw here the cheapest was $80 a gallon
Our whole house is Behr. Very satisfied with the performance.
Great video. I have been using Behr Premium Plus and have been satisfied with the results. You just verified what I thought. Also realized I need to sedan between coats to make it an even better finish. Thanks!!
Great video. I would like to also see brand comparison as you discussed.
Thanks, Dan😊
Love this, especially the shots at the end showing the texture. If you do something like this comparing other brands, I’d love to see what a close up of your go to paint looks like so I can better learn what to look for and what it should look like.
I think in other videos you have said more solids in the paint is a good thing? Hence not washing what you sand off in between coats. But in this case, the higher end Behr paints are too thick? Or is it just a different thing?
Also can’t wait for the butcher block counter video!! I am planning on doing that same project soon.
Awesome video - love watching your various topics and projects. Non pro painter, but I did a living room renovation, and part of it was painting 15' ceilings. I went with the Behr Dynasty and have to say I came away very impressed. Granted I work slow/methodical, and I like to enjoy my personal projects. I think it was $80/gallon back when I did the work, but the finish was absolutely uniform after one solid thick coat.
I LOVE Behr paint! I haven’t used all their new expensive ones, but I’ve painted a LOT of walls with their old paint, which is probably your 2-coat one. I also realized I liked the smell of it when I used another brand and about gagged! Great video!
I painted a rental 6 years ago that had badly stained walls.
After washing the walls I used KILZ (original) for the base coat and Behr Marquee eggshell for the finish coat, it came out really nice, I would use it again.
I take issue with the prices this gentleman quoted.
Back then(2017), I paid $50/gallon for the Marquee; I just checked prices at my local Home Depot and it is selling for $52.98 per gallon.
The Premium Plus is $35/gallon, the Dynasty is $62.98
Perhaps the Home Depot where he shops is located in a really ritzy neighborhood.
I live in Canada. we have much higher prices for everything. Cheers!
Loved that you did a comparison video. In my younger years, I worked at Sherwin Williams and sold their products and painted with their paint. Years later, I used Benjamin Moore, and in the last few years, I've been using Behr from Home Depot. I'd love to see comparisons on these products and hear your thoughts. Great video!
same here I have used all three and have always had excellent results with SW and Behr but years ago not so much with BM, I recently used BM again and it appears that they changed their formula as it went on and looked great. I have many surfaces painted in all three and there is no difference to appearance and they all are years old. I have not seen the value or benefit in the more expensive paints.
I been painting for long time I agree with you about home depot the sagging was the main reason I don't like the paint and shine like all your video
I love Behr paint. Ppg did not look good on my walls, and when moisture got on it, it discolored and streaked.
I didn't mind the most exspensive paint since I have children. Worth every cent!!!!!
Thanks, love your videos very helpful, I've used a lot of box store paints as a homeowner. Behr premium paint and primer is what I've used for the last several paint projects and I've been pleased with the results. Good information gained from your test. I'm reconsidering my paint brand choices. I would like to see a comparison between your preferred brand and several other big box store brands we typical diy ers use.
I never cared for Behr paint. I can't believe how much paint costs have gone up. But I guess everything else has so I guess it makes sense. Yes, I love comparisons. Your videos are always so informative!
I painted my house interior in 2006 with Behr premium plus and it looks as good as the day I did it. I tried to like sw but never had any luck with it and seemed to always leave brush marks. Maybe I’ll try sw again just for comparison.
DUDE, Ive used BEHR in my ENTIRE interior a couple years ago. I have a 3 and 7 year old and they DESTROY THE HOUSE... Anytime I had to clean the walls from marker, paints, food, juices, the BEHR held up to everything and looks GREAT. and in the bedrooms I used flat paint and thats known to be difficult to clean but I havent had any issues.. Last year i painted my cabinets and used Benjamin Moore ADVANCE that paint is awesome. Im not brand loyal but the BEHR i was very happy with
BM Ben line is the sweet spot for me. It's thick. It's 2 coats always works and for patch work it blends so well. No splatter and awesome with a x5 sprayer.
I’m gonna have to call you out on this one: if the stain is going to bleed, you can’t rush it drying so much. I’m not talking about your first coat, but you need to check for marker a day or two later. Bleeding takes time, that paint is still shiny (clearly not dry yet!). There’s no reason you couldn’t have done this test with a little TH-cam magic and checked it the next day.
Two of my all-time favourite paints: ProMar 400 specifically for ceilings. It’s not a premium product, but if you have an open or semi open concept house, that stuff is incredible to touch up. We have a hotel maintenance contract and have lots of side-lit ceilings that are sometimes 200-300’ long in the hallways, being able to do a spot repair is probably our single most important property. It scuffs easily and can’t be cleaned, but that doesn’t really matter on a ceiling. Besides, if it does get dirty you can easily paint over it.
The other one you’ll have a hard time talking me out of is BM Advance for cabinets and trim. The stuff is like liquid butter. You do need to watch the dry time, it really does need 16 hours before recoating or the alkyd components reactivate and it turns into a sticky mess. But if you follow the can, that stuff is beautiful to paint with, leaves a fantastic finish, and is extremely durable
thanks for the info. Love learning from a pro instead of the hard way!
Thanks for the tips sir.
The plastic trays and flexibility will cause the paint to bounce back more than the hard plastic or metal causing more splatter. You rolled softer on the cheaper paint (the last one) so it didn't splatter as much. That's what I noticed when you loaded the rollers.
I agree. I think he's making a undesired result on purpose.
Totally agree!!@@Freight_Train
Agreed - I love the coverage that the cheap paint had on the motion sensor that was hanging on the wall.
Noticed that as well.
He also didn’t sand the different prices painted equally. He had less pressure on the the cheap paint and applied heavy pressure on the higher ended paint. Seems disingenuous to me.
Load slower. I used all sorts of paint and never had splatter like that.
Amazing to me that he came up with the same techniques with the same results I have learned the hard way over the years. I use two coats, sand between coats and use a shorter nap. I can't wait to see the comparisons with the other brands!
Good comparison Jeff. One thing I would add to it would be a durability/scrub test after the paints have been fully dried (I know takes a lot of time) in my experience that is where the Ultra line performs noticeably better than the Premium Plus
Yes, I would like to see another comparison of the paints. I used to buy at Home Depot but I switched to Sherwin
which line do you use...and did you open a pro account and get the huge discount?
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY sorry just DIY painting house and others
You need to do this same comparison between Behr, SW, BM, and Valspar
Thanks for the comparison & I appreciate your experience.
I've used Behr Marquee interior eggshell on furniture and projects for 15 years and I always go back to it. It has great sheen, smooth finish, complete coverage and silky feel to the touch.
When I had a condo, I used Glidden, not knowing about paint quality and it was atrocious. When I bought my house, I got Behr Premium Plus Ultra (now called scuff defense). I never had an issue with it. Then I had a fire and the contractor swore by SW. Many pro painters I've encountered swear by SW or BM so I didn't object. He used the Super paint. In my experience, there's no durability. A year later, I found myself having to paint over every room that had a light color. I used the Premium Plus because my local HD reduced the price. I've never had any issues with Behr. I find the Marquee to be a little too harsh odor wise and the Dynasty is simply out of my price range.
Yeah, Glidden is some nasty stuff, basically water with some pigment powder of some sort in it. Places shouldn't even be allowed to sell it. It's so cheap, customers are always bringing it to me when I'm doing their remodels and don't like when I tell them I refuse to use that garbage, and if they insist, I tell them to hire someone else to paint.
Premium Plus is an excellent paint and performs well. It is the one I used and has never failed me.
I like the new lids. As a homeowner that has done occasional painting, I have always disliked the mess and waste of paint when pouring
Tip;; use a small flat-blade screw driver or 5-in-one to put a couple of holes into the paint can rim before pouring.
Interesting and educational. Thank you!
Really like the two-coat sanding in-between method.
Never took the time to question myself… very appreciated test, advices and recommandations 👍
I have used the top end Behr. It was more like frosting than paint. It slogged on. I use the bottom Behr. I can get one coat coverage with it.
Thanks for sharing!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIYhey
I agree. The Marquee Line is a waste of money. The Premium Plus has been great and is a nice price point.
Your videos are always interesting and entertaining. I say keep exploring and do what you want! I’ll keep coming back whenever i need to do something in the house bc your channel is my encyclopedia brittanica on remodeling 🤣
OMG. I actually remember the door to door salesman from my day selling those books. LOL
I’ve always used Sherwin Williams Duration for interiors. I’ve painted about 5 homes with it and always had good success for budget friendly longevity. I recently used Behr and had 3 heavy and one lighter coat just to get the look I wanted. I used almost 2 gallons in an area that would’ve been less than 1 gallon of Sherwin Williams.
Jeff thanks for the great video. 2014 moved into our home and had it fully painted. They used S-W but we believe they used a lot of water to thin it out, a lot. The original color started to bleed through and we don't think they have it a 2nd coat. I have a very destructive little girl who has to run her hand on the walls and yes even used a sharpie. Why because I forgot to cage her 😂. We are doing some light reno (new kitchen, putting in a ceiling to the living room and making a theater rm, repainting 2 bdrms on 2nd floor, gutted their baths and having new floors put in) so now is a good time to repaint. I think we were looking at the $100 Behr but I've always used there low/inexpensive brand in the past without uses. but I'm no pro. However, this time I am applying 2 coats of zinsser 1-2-3 primer for all surfaces (claims stain blocking). Before we start, what paint should I seriously consider?
I just painted my mom’s house using behr marquee… I wanted one coat coverage for time and ease of use. Loved it! Really enjoyed your video comparing the different behr products. Now I’d love to see behr compared to other brands like the one that you prefer.
Been painting 35 yrs. I love BEHR.
Jeff is poking the Behr
why not. I am not sponsored so I can have my own opinion. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY It was a pretty funny play on words...
Jeff....I bet my dad wished they had stain blocking paint 55+ years ago!! As a child I decided to "help" my dad paint after he left for work and used a black marker on the wall. Needless to say "stain blocker" and "scrubbability" were not features available back then. Being a homeowner myself and knowing the time it takes myself to prep and paint, I appreciate my dad's patience. I'm still living today lol!! 😂😂😂😂😂