You need to realize - the green party is super popular in Germany, and the German car manufacturers are competing in who will please them more. Enthusiasts be damned
The greens are at about 12% right now and about 50% of the german population really hates the party, so i am not sure about that. I think it is a combination of regulations (the manufacturers might not be allowed to release combustion cars in the future) and investors that often focus on ESG criteria.
They killed off their coupes and convertibles, I don't know of they're gonna make the R8 sucsessor using VW/Lamborghini's new V8 (which replaces the V10
Idk, Porsche has been one of the few manufacturers that have figured out how to “keep up with the times” without alienating true enthusiasts… Sadly, this means most of their cars have moved out of the realm of affordability for most enthusiasts…
They're on a slippery slope though. They're getting rid of the A5/S5/RS5 coupes meaning literally no 2-door Audis anymore for the foreseeable future. And with the exception of the RS3 they're not exactly developing anything fun that anybody knows of either. They're also shying away from anything with an ICE and moving heavy into EVs, a decision that weirdly seems to only have any hope of being overturned by RIMAC. Rimac's CEO is the guy who convinced the VW group to not make the new Bugatti entirely an EV and made it a hybrid. I think hybrids are the perfect middle ground. Nothing against EVs either I think all 3 types of powertrains can healthily coexist so I don't understand why some manufacturers are pushing so hard away from ICEs knowing that that will be a swan dive straight into a dumpster in sales. Audi has almost always been a great brand and I love them but they're also in really risky territory right now.
tbh both need new designs as well as audi they all should stop trying to look futuristic and design spaceships instead they should keep what made their cars stand out visually. I won't even start talking about the interiors not having buttons anymore and them plastering glossy plastics everywhere
It hearts me to, because bmw used to be on top when it comes to sporty daily drivers. The E30, E36, E46 were such great cars, but then it went downhill. How far will they continue to sink?
Americans don't realise europe has evolved to a really strict governement body in terms of cars, emissions & brands. Thats why european brands (including italian a 296 gtb, sf90 , revuelto & new bugatti are all hybrids) are "falling off" involuntary.
That ZR1 is probably not compliant with European emissions regulations and won't be sold on that side of the planet. The only reason the Americans can do this kinda thing is because their emissions laws haven't caught up yet.
@@LoganSLRLockwood Another reason the Americans are able to get away with it is because the laws demand that they must offset high emission vehicles by selling low/no emission vehicles.
Porsche has been cooking with the synthetic fuel to save gas cars the best GT3 RS yet a 4 liter flat 6 that sounds like heaven and a hybrid system that works like a turbo.
audi made the best suv sq8 and the new a5 is gorgeous not to froget the rs6 and the rs7 oh ande the gt e tron they are the best germen car brand right now
Just imagine bmw get inspired from a classic m series and make a genuine m car which in not a hybrid or super duper luxuries. Just a maniac power and track capability.
10:41 for example: the lamorghini revuelto costs more than 500k has over 1000hp and is still slower than a 300k ferrari with 800hp (ferrari 296 gts ) And the revuelto is the last V12 and the huracan sterrato is the last V10. Now theyre only making V8s and electric LAMBOS!!! WTF!!!! I was a lambo fan boy for more than 7 years and now im starting to hate it
It all comes down to European laws about emissions. The bigger your production engine (about displacement and cylinders), the more tax you pay and the their noise regulations are as annoying as f*** . My car must be loud so that they see the car I'm driving
When it comes to V-8 Hybrids systems, I don't think that they inherently suck, as Mercedes made one with 800hp. It is on their S63 E performance and GT63 E performance. Both cars have phenomenal handling and acceleration, so I think BMW just has a skill issue when it comes to Hybrid Powertrains.
you should cover the downfall of mitsubishi. they had great sports cars and the lancer evo. now they make a bunch of shitty hatchbacks and suv/crossovers. the only decent car they currently sell is the delica.
I can explain. This is what happens when people go to college for business and then somehow they end up working for one of these car companies and all of their life. They were never a car person. They’re just following their career path and they are just these corporate heads running these companies that are not even car people, but they are running car companies and that is how you end up with these situations…. If you want to see a good example of a company run by car people just look to Porsche and that’s a car company run by car people not corporate bureaucrats who only care about the bottom line of a company.
5:26 yes it's true, the new m5 is slower than the f90 m5, the new m5 has more horsepower yes, but it weighs so much that the hpt ratio is worse, as a result the 0-60 is worse and the weight affects the handling as well
@@L.Decibol it isn’t. Look at Joes video. It beats the CS. 0-200 sub 10s. Whole 0.4s faster than old Comp. Be aware that this is the base M5 and it did that in damp conditions. Report says that the G90 murders the F90 CS on a roll
only full EV i'd drive. cus it actually looks like a car. some other PHEVs id drive too though like c63e or s63e performance. im a bmw fan but all their evs and hybrids suck so far. the 760e is decent but kinda funky looking
Bro, you're so spot-on. I grew up loving the bmw m3 and my second was m5. But after they put that v10 on the m5, it took first spot in my heart. But lately they've been so disappointing with these hybrids etc. The latest Audi A7 will eat the new M5 for breakfast, dinner and supper. Now that's definitely not progress!!!!!
Looks like Audi and Porsche are the last standing and ngl they've been cooking such as the new rs3 and respect to porsche for not making the new 911 electric.
Y’all are making it sound like car guys actually go out and buy new cars in reality. Most car enthusiast buy used cars because that’s what smart people do. Carmen manufacturers look at the planet earth and they ask themselves. How do we sell the most cars 10% of the planet is enthusiast and 90% of the planet just wants something nice….. of the points that you’re making are only applicable to 10% of people driving cars and the other 90% of people do not care and that is the lens that Carmen manufacturers are making decisions through because it’s better to sell 500 four-cylinder hybrids to soccer moms then it is selling 50 track focused specialty cars to enthusiast. The market for regular cars is just so much bigger and that’s where the money is most of these manufacturers lose money or don’t make a lot of money on track focused cars and if if they do make money on them, they probably cost more than your house.
GM stopped being cool when they killed Pontiac. Ford was pretty cool until they raised their prices on mustangs. Stellantis stopped being cool when they stopped making proper American performance cars. It’s just a damn shame. I’ll drive my firebird until the day it’s damn well taken from me.
mercedes build quality is shit now, they used to be well built luxury cars. and bmw's new m5 is 500kgs heavier. even it has more power, low weight always beats high power. although audi and porsche are cooking.
The new emissions laws and regulations have had a significant impact on certain auto brands. For instance, Chevy and Ford have been able to continue producing their flagship models without major changes. In Chevy's case, they even introduced a larger V8 for the new C8, thanks to their proactive approach to releasing EV and hybrid models to meet government-mandated MPG requirements. This has allowed them to balance out their overall fleet emissions and continue producing V8 models without issue. On the other hand, Dodge faced challenges as they had not diversified their lineup with EVs or smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles. As a result, they had to discontinue their flagship models to avoid regulatory fines. This situation reflects the importance for auto manufacturers to adapt to evolving emissions standards in order to maintain their product lineups and continue serving their customer base effectively.
Y’all should relax, cars are getting heavier, even Porsches are all getting heavier, the Bugatti Turbion is almost a 2 tonne car, the Mercedes AMG GT63s E-Performance is over 2200kilos and that’s supposed to be a sports or super car so why mad when a family sedan weighs 2400kgs, y’all should chill please, these companies have to comply with EU regulations and still manage to give us performance cars, but all you guys do it sit and complain while 99% of the ones complaining will never even afford these cars…
People need to stop talking shit Bmw had no choice to put the hybrid systems if they wanted to keep their V8 so it’s normal the car is heavy (V8+hybrid systems) At least will still have the V8 for a couple years They didn’t try to downsize their engine like Mercedes
German car makers Opel and Borgward feel lucky as they aren't facing any heavy backlash like how the top 5 German car makers are facing, furthermore, Opel could never achieve a huge fame like Mercedes Benz and Volkswagen, so they have least or nothing to lose, meanwhile, Borgward is a short lived discontinued brand yet they made incredible cars in its era and has a decent fanbase.
The AMG GT Black series is my viper ACR in Germany. But the new model for 2024 left alot to be desired. Same to this Bavarian, if more weight then more power...like 880hp is not bad
What I struggle to understand is why these brands can’t make the cars we actually want and whatever nonsense new market they’re trying to appease🤷🏿♂️. The vast majority of people do drive or car about the AMG or the M cars. Those of us that do actually buy them and aspire to buy them one day. Alienating us won’t help because we ain’t buying these efficient, silent road warriors they keep shoving down our throats.
The Germans don’t do that primarily to take something away, furthermore they need to comply with harder and harder regulations. Every car needs to be more “ecofrendly”than the one before. This leads to downsizing, which leads to smaller engines. And they want to save cost. Gone are the days with really iconic cars like the W124.
As some others mentioned, Porsche is generally sticking to their guns. They dropped the twin turbo V6 in the Cayenne S and returned to V8 power. Buuuuutt... They also dropped the Cayenne Turbo S [e-hybrid] in favor of the [significantly more powerful] Cayenne Turbo e-hybrid. I guess the Turbo GT kind of steps in for both the GTS and Turbo S. They also dropped the Panamera Sport Tourismo, which shouldn't have been made in the first place. From all outward appearances, it was literally just a Cayenne with a slammed suspension and a chopped top. Yet, it weighs more than a Cayenne.
The problem with German cars is they are excessively complex and they make them require special, harder to get supplies to maintain them. I drive a 2011 Jetta TDI/DSG. Costs around $700 to service the transaxle and the TCM cost $1500-3000 just for the part.
Love the descriptions said for the automakers. BMW - sports oriented but luxurious Benz - luxurious oriented but sporty Audi - rally oriented but luxurious VW - accessibility oriented but sporty And the hybrid system in bmw making it super heavy just seems odd since Porsche just revealed their new 911 with a hybrid system that weighs ~100-300 lbs And lets be honest, that 4cyl c63 is about to be the cheapest and or entry level c63 out there. Also audi is cooking with its rs series.
I feel like this is a common theme with the main 3 German automakers. They each have their own generation where they are on top and the other two are falling behind. Last gen it was all bmw with the M8, the F90, the F90 CS and the introduction of the B58/S58. The gen before that was AMG bc they still had that German muscle car feel even though they turbocharged their whole AMG lineup. Now this new gen will be Audi. It’s no wonder he didn’t include them at the beginning bc that’s just how the main 3 German automakers are, it’s just an endless cycle that’s been repeating for a while.
Honestly EPA is the reason why this all happening I don’t think the brands wants this but with regulations this the only way they can make sales resulting unhappy enthusiasts.
I don,t know how it is in America But in Europe car brands have a lots of rules and they become stricter and stricter that,s why we have those abdomination plus the tax are huge for big engines
With people complaining about the new M5, would you rather have a 4 cyl m5 or no m5 at all? That’s what we thought. If you want a m5 LTW, that would be nice but it isn’t what we got so there’s no reason to complain
Car fans are not car buyers. Usually people with the resources to buy a c63 or m5 are not the ones watching youtube or readin reddit, so they make cars appealing to those who can afford them, not to those who will buy them used in 15 years
If they’re gonna put a bunch of emissions junk in then make the junk easy to remove and downtune the engine so that buyers can remove it and uptune it and bingo more power
They listening now fr May 11, 2024 - Autocar reports the plug-in hybrid four-cylinder engine has caused slow sales for the C63, which is why the CLE63 will get a V8 instead.
4 cylinder in an amg 63 is sick man, nothing wrong with more power from less cylinders. Think about the roots of the 190e evo and the e30 m3, those were both 4 cylinder cars aswell, They still have the v8 under the 63 badge for everything else.. if you really need a v8 jut get a bigger more expensive car. Even Ferrari has a v6 now. Driving is a privelege, we might as well try to cut down on fuel, or at least look like we're trying. The new c63 is still a bigtime gas user compared to a regular car... It only barely uses less fuel than the v8. As you said, these cars are the benchmark of performance and practicality, if you want more then you go for the flagship. The i8 had a 3 cylinder engine.. That was ten years ago. This isn't new either. You have to look at the silver lining rather than so negativity about how "horrible" your 700 horsepower race car sounds
Idk about ford and chevy, ford is still making the mustang and chevy while yes they canceled the camaro its big brother is still kicking ass and taking names, 1065 hp on pump gas is insane
Now I’m kinda new to cars but I can understand how upsetting these changes can be like with the c63, my moms Nissan rouge sounds better than that monstrosity of a car
A thing that german auto makers lost is reliability too for example so you know some old mercs can last a million miles because of their semplicity and engineering and its sad that is long gone
Meanwhile Bugatti:
- Why not put a V16 in our new car?
- Good idea.
Coz they're French, not German
@@yusufmikhail8997 VW and Rimac ?
I've seen a shirt on Amazon the has a Bugatti and an Italian flag all over the top and bottom of the *bugatti* shirt😭
Rimac is Croatian@@rabahaicha7724
@@rabahaicha7724vw is german
You need to realize - the green party is super popular in Germany, and the German car manufacturers are competing in who will please them more. Enthusiasts be damned
Yooo stype187 I love your videos broo
The greens are at about 12% right now and about 50% of the german population really hates the party, so i am not sure about that. I think it is a combination of regulations (the manufacturers might not be allowed to release combustion cars in the future) and investors that often focus on ESG criteria.
Nah, that's not true, the auto makers really make an effort in lobbying to surpress new emission or environment laws
Pls post a new video
Portchester is making a biofuel so v8s may come back
Audi is kinda cooking. The rs3 looks great. porsche is as well
They killed off their coupes and convertibles, I don't know of they're gonna make the R8 sucsessor using VW/Lamborghini's new V8 (which replaces the V10
@@Therealincredidud Agreed. Many car brands like Bently, lamborgini etc. Have replaced their 10 and 12 cylinders for a hybrid v8.
Yo be quiet we gotta gatekeep so the tt kids don’t get to it
yes, especially with their new rs7 performance keeping the twin turbo v8
Bro they literally ended the R8
Idk, Porsche has been one of the few manufacturers that have figured out how to “keep up with the times” without alienating true enthusiasts…
Sadly, this means most of their cars have moved out of the realm of affordability for most enthusiasts…
I don't know Audi's been kind of cooking lately 🔥
True
They're on a slippery slope though. They're getting rid of the A5/S5/RS5 coupes meaning literally no 2-door Audis anymore for the foreseeable future. And with the exception of the RS3 they're not exactly developing anything fun that anybody knows of either. They're also shying away from anything with an ICE and moving heavy into EVs, a decision that weirdly seems to only have any hope of being overturned by RIMAC. Rimac's CEO is the guy who convinced the VW group to not make the new Bugatti entirely an EV and made it a hybrid. I think hybrids are the perfect middle ground. Nothing against EVs either I think all 3 types of powertrains can healthily coexist so I don't understand why some manufacturers are pushing so hard away from ICEs knowing that that will be a swan dive straight into a dumpster in sales. Audi has almost always been a great brand and I love them but they're also in really risky territory right now.
This was what I was gonna say Especially s series
Not with the badge sector though.. putting rs badges on a "a" series
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BMW needs new designers, Mercedes needs better engines.
tbh both need new designs as well as audi they all should stop trying to look futuristic and design spaceships instead they should keep what made their cars stand out visually. I won't even start talking about the interiors not having buttons anymore and them plastering glossy plastics everywhere
We need social orbit as mercedes ceo🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
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@@M.K__Yes
As a German this will make me sad :(
Audi doin good
Porsche is doing fantastic at the moment, have you heard of the 911 Turbo S *Hybrid!!!*
Mich auch😭😭😭
I’m German and I know these cars are still good
It hearts me to, because bmw used to be on top when it comes to sporty daily drivers. The E30, E36, E46 were such great cars, but then it went downhill. How far will they continue to sink?
It’s sad how they’re still badging their new cars “M” or “AMG” when it doesn’t sound or feel right anymore 😢
True. A turbo 4-cylinder is fine so long as it's in the entry-level model. But 4 cylinders in high-end and overweight performance cars is just dumb.
@@TimSlee12.0 4 cylinder sports car😂😂😂
@@alexandruciordas4941 A lot of great sports cars have engines that small. It just doesn't belong in a heavy ass Mercedes/BMW.
@@TimSlee1 the first m3 was a 4cyl
@@joshthompson7360 But it was light and the 4-cylinder was a a 2.3 liter engine.
Americans don't realise europe has evolved to a really strict governement body in terms of cars, emissions & brands. Thats why european brands (including italian a 296 gtb, sf90 , revuelto & new bugatti are all hybrids) are "falling off" involuntary.
i really remember the days when Jeremy Clarkson called the M5 v10 ugly about 14 years ago
I think it looks nice
I think it looks really really ugly
its still ugly
@@victorduerinckx1855 it looks beautiful compared to the current piece of shit design
@aethereal999 So realistically, you think both cars are ugly because the G90 is extremely similar to E60.
I own a white c43 AMG convertible and I just can’t believe how much better it sounds than the brand new c63. And no that’s not a good thing…
Imagine how great your engine would sound if it had no turbos, and an extra 0.5L of displacement 😉.
Audi is kinda cooking rn with the rs3
the s4/s5 and rs5 kinda suck for their prices. and they didnt even bring the rs4 avant or rsq3 to USA smh. rsq3 would be a banger here.
@@ISLAMICSTORIES13right, the S4 costs upwards of 65k for 350 horsepower
One car is not enough. 😂
I like the s8 very nice car
"A C63 sounds like a Prius" what has the automotive world come to :(
The fact that even with the regulations chevrolet pull out the 1064hp c8 zr1 proves even more that its possible
@ThatGuyInOhio2 It's the price and tax applied to manufacturers, which is why they don't do certain things.
That ZR1 is probably not compliant with European emissions regulations and won't be sold on that side of the planet.
The only reason the Americans can do this kinda thing is because their emissions laws haven't caught up yet.
@LoganSLRLockwood is the same thing with the CT5 it's only sold in 3 countries.
@@LoganSLRLockwoodemissions laws are retarded. One rocket launch is the equivalent to a whole streets worth of emissions in years
@@LoganSLRLockwood
Another reason the Americans are able to get away with it is because the laws demand that they must offset high emission vehicles by selling low/no emission vehicles.
Government regulations and popular consumer demand have ruined the car industry.
Audi the only one chillin rn tbh
Porsche has been cooking with the synthetic fuel to save gas cars the best GT3 RS yet a 4 liter flat 6 that sounds like heaven and a hybrid system that works like a turbo.
They even managed to only make it 50kgs heavier.
audi too they got rid of r8
audi made the best suv sq8 and the new a5 is gorgeous not to froget the rs6 and the rs7 oh ande the gt e tron they are the best germen car brand right now
oh and they probably have the best car interior (but that's gust my opinion)
@@boiang.8771 audi is cool rn but they are still getting rid of the r8 which is sad.
@@boiang.8771between the M4, C63, and R8 I think the C63 has the nicest interior. I drive an M2 but I gotta give it to Mercedes-AMG
THEY DID WHATTT
Porsche and Audi are just cooking
They watching the shitshow unfold
@@Lego_Huracan_SuperTrofeo Fr
You know what 50kg for an electric turbo for it to spool up faster ain’t that bad…
The new panamera is pretty good.
Your almost at 100k congrats I’ve been here since 50k
The push to plastic production is insane. I truly believe a plastic engine is next.
I think the 2020s is the worse era for the car community…
Just imagine bmw get inspired from a classic m series and make a genuine m car which in not a hybrid or super duper luxuries. Just a maniac power and track capability.
hybrids aren’t inherently bad. the only thing y y he 4 cyl amg loses is sound. no hybrid has an excuse to weigh as much as that m5
@@worldofpeoplem.e.andthewor2615 no bro hybrid is not bad but there should be a m car to revive the classic era. It’s just my opinion.
@@DEEPANSHUSuthar-lb1xj you'll want to look at the M4 CSL which is the most hardcore M car yet, either that or the M5 CS.
There's always regeneration after the destruction
10:41 for example: the lamorghini revuelto costs more than 500k has over 1000hp and is still slower than a 300k ferrari with 800hp (ferrari 296 gts ) And the revuelto is the last V12 and the huracan sterrato is the last V10. Now theyre only making V8s and electric LAMBOS!!! WTF!!!! I was a lambo fan boy for more than 7 years and now im starting to hate it
It all comes down to European laws about emissions. The bigger your production engine (about displacement and cylinders), the more tax you pay and the their noise regulations are as annoying as f*** . My car must be loud so that they see the car I'm driving
When it comes to V-8 Hybrids systems, I don't think that they inherently suck, as Mercedes made one with 800hp. It is on their S63 E performance and GT63 E performance. Both cars have phenomenal handling and acceleration, so I think BMW just has a skill issue when it comes to Hybrid Powertrains.
I hear the m5’s actually not that bad in terms of handling
@@fifteen8850not bad it terms of handling, is pretty bad when you buy a "sport sedan" for that much money.
@@fifteen8850 No it’s worse than the previous gen unfortunately
Apparently, it’s A LOT quicker than the old CS on a roll. Did sub 10s 0-200 in Joes Video in the damp.
you should cover the downfall of mitsubishi. they had great sports cars and the lancer evo. now they make a bunch of shitty hatchbacks and suv/crossovers. the only decent car they currently sell is the delica.
Remembering the old days when the plate stood for the engine size at Mercedes…
I can explain. This is what happens when people go to college for business and then somehow they end up working for one of these car companies and all of their life. They were never a car person. They’re just following their career path and they are just these corporate heads running these companies that are not even car people, but they are running car companies and that is how you end up with these situations…. If you want to see a good example of a company run by car people just look to Porsche and that’s a car company run by car people not corporate bureaucrats who only care about the bottom line of a company.
5:26 yes it's true, the new m5 is slower than the f90 m5, the new m5 has more horsepower yes, but it weighs so much that the hpt ratio is worse, as a result the 0-60 is worse and the weight affects the handling as well
I was here before he changed the thumbnail
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the new m5 does 0 to 60 in 3.4 sec compared to old one which was 4.4 sec
As a bmw fan, im really really upset by bmw. I hope that the new m5 g90 will be their first and last big mistake.
Idk man, who cares about the weight of it handles right. Just saying 🤷♂️
@@fifteen8850 je but its the first time that a bmw M series is slower than the previus one.
@@L.Decibolit isn’t.
@@Nisimo6787 it is
@@L.Decibol it isn’t. Look at Joes video. It beats the CS. 0-200 sub 10s. Whole 0.4s faster than old Comp. Be aware that this is the base M5 and it did that in damp conditions. Report says that the G90 murders the F90 CS on a roll
"speakers as exhausts" im dying
taycan is probably the nicest ev yet, practical and quick asfff🙏🙏🙏🙏
The sound it makes is just perfect. Dream car right there.
I still prefer e-tron gt😂
Fr the taycan is unmatched. It looks clean and drives nicely.
only full EV i'd drive. cus it actually looks like a car. some other PHEVs id drive too though like c63e or s63e performance. im a bmw fan but all their evs and hybrids suck so far. the 760e is decent but kinda funky looking
@yusufmikhail8997 they're basically the same but with a different driving sound and the taycan being slightly more expensive due to porsche branding
There was also a video by stance works about how he thought BMW M lost their way.
Bro, you're so spot-on. I grew up loving the bmw m3 and my second was m5. But after they put that v10 on the m5, it took first spot in my heart. But lately they've been so disappointing with these hybrids etc. The latest Audi A7 will eat the new M5 for breakfast, dinner and supper. Now that's definitely not progress!!!!!
Looks like Audi and Porsche are the last standing and ngl they've been cooking such as the new rs3 and respect to porsche for not making the new 911 electric.
the amg gt63s 4door is my favorite german car😮💨
8:52 the thing is they wanna sell to the broader audience to increase the sales and thats where they messed up
Y’all are making it sound like car guys actually go out and buy new cars in reality. Most car enthusiast buy used cars because that’s what smart people do. Carmen manufacturers look at the planet earth and they ask themselves. How do we sell the most cars 10% of the planet is enthusiast and 90% of the planet just wants something nice….. of the points that you’re making are only applicable to 10% of people driving cars and the other 90% of people do not care and that is the lens that Carmen manufacturers are making decisions through because it’s better to sell 500 four-cylinder hybrids to soccer moms then it is selling 50 track focused specialty cars to enthusiast. The market for regular cars is just so much bigger and that’s where the money is most of these manufacturers lose money or don’t make a lot of money on track focused cars and if if they do make money on them, they probably cost more than your house.
GM stopped being cool when they killed Pontiac. Ford was pretty cool until they raised their prices on mustangs. Stellantis stopped being cool when they stopped making proper American performance cars. It’s just a damn shame. I’ll drive my firebird until the day it’s damn well taken from me.
mercedes build quality is shit now, they used to be well built luxury cars. and bmw's new m5 is 500kgs heavier. even it has more power, low weight always beats high power.
although audi and porsche are cooking.
The new emissions laws and regulations have had a significant impact on certain auto brands. For instance, Chevy and Ford have been able to continue producing their flagship models without major changes. In Chevy's case, they even introduced a larger V8 for the new C8, thanks to their proactive approach to releasing EV and hybrid models to meet government-mandated MPG requirements. This has allowed them to balance out their overall fleet emissions and continue producing V8 models without issue.
On the other hand, Dodge faced challenges as they had not diversified their lineup with EVs or smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles. As a result, they had to discontinue their flagship models to avoid regulatory fines. This situation reflects the importance for auto manufacturers to adapt to evolving emissions standards in order to maintain their product lineups and continue serving their customer base effectively.
the Mustang Gtd vs C8 Zr1 is gonna be cool
This video is so spot on bro.
Y’all should relax, cars are getting heavier, even Porsches are all getting heavier, the Bugatti Turbion is almost a 2 tonne car, the Mercedes AMG GT63s E-Performance is over 2200kilos and that’s supposed to be a sports or super car so why mad when a family sedan weighs 2400kgs, y’all should chill please, these companies have to comply with EU regulations and still manage to give us performance cars, but all you guys do it sit and complain while 99% of the ones complaining will never even afford these cars…
dont give the manufacturers benefit of the doubt
@@romie-777he’s just using his brain dawg 🤷♂️
that's NOT normal
So close to 100k my man 😎
He's at 112K now...
Thank you for saying the truth
People need to stop talking shit
Bmw had no choice to put the hybrid systems if they wanted to keep their V8 so it’s normal the car is heavy (V8+hybrid systems)
At least will still have the V8 for a couple years
They didn’t try to downsize their engine like Mercedes
5:07 the new porsche only has an electric turbo and the bmw has a full sized battery. it's not even close to comparable
I got chills down my spine from that GTD
German car makers Opel and Borgward feel lucky as they aren't facing any heavy backlash like how the top 5 German car makers are facing, furthermore, Opel could never achieve a huge fame like Mercedes Benz and Volkswagen, so they have least or nothing to lose, meanwhile, Borgward is a short lived discontinued brand yet they made incredible cars in its era and has a decent fanbase.
Big companys in general needs to listen to there community more
The AMG GT Black series is my viper ACR in Germany. But the new model for 2024 left alot to be desired. Same to this Bavarian, if more weight then more power...like 880hp is not bad
What I struggle to understand is why these brands can’t make the cars we actually want and whatever nonsense new market they’re trying to appease🤷🏿♂️. The vast majority of people do drive or car about the AMG or the M cars. Those of us that do actually buy them and aspire to buy them one day. Alienating us won’t help because we ain’t buying these efficient, silent road warriors they keep shoving down our throats.
The Germans don’t do that primarily to take something away, furthermore they need to comply with harder and harder regulations. Every car needs to be more “ecofrendly”than the one before. This leads to downsizing, which leads to smaller engines.
And they want to save cost. Gone are the days with really iconic cars like the W124.
The G60 BMW is essentially a modernized E60 BMW
ew. dont compare the e60 to a damn kia
I own a w204 and watching this makes my heart break
As some others mentioned, Porsche is generally sticking to their guns. They dropped the twin turbo V6 in the Cayenne S and returned to V8 power. Buuuuutt... They also dropped the Cayenne Turbo S [e-hybrid] in favor of the [significantly more powerful] Cayenne Turbo e-hybrid. I guess the Turbo GT kind of steps in for both the GTS and Turbo S. They also dropped the Panamera Sport Tourismo, which shouldn't have been made in the first place. From all outward appearances, it was literally just a Cayenne with a slammed suspension and a chopped top. Yet, it weighs more than a Cayenne.
The problem with German cars is they are excessively complex and they make them require special, harder to get supplies to maintain them. I drive a 2011 Jetta TDI/DSG. Costs around $700 to service the transaxle and the TCM cost $1500-3000 just for the part.
Love the descriptions said for the automakers.
BMW - sports oriented but luxurious
Benz - luxurious oriented but sporty
Audi - rally oriented but luxurious
VW - accessibility oriented but sporty
And the hybrid system in bmw making it super heavy just seems odd since Porsche just revealed their new 911 with a hybrid system that weighs ~100-300 lbs
And lets be honest, that 4cyl c63 is about to be the cheapest and or entry level c63 out there. Also audi is cooking with its rs series.
I feel like this is a common theme with the main 3 German automakers. They each have their own generation where they are on top and the other two are falling behind. Last gen it was all bmw with the M8, the F90, the F90 CS and the introduction of the B58/S58. The gen before that was AMG bc they still had that German muscle car feel even though they turbocharged their whole AMG lineup. Now this new gen will be Audi. It’s no wonder he didn’t include them at the beginning bc that’s just how the main 3 German automakers are, it’s just an endless cycle that’s been repeating for a while.
Honestly EPA is the reason why this all happening I don’t think the brands wants this but with regulations this the only way they can make sales resulting unhappy enthusiasts.
9:50 you’re exactly right they’re trying to appeal to a certain race of people. I see why you squinted your eyes here
Well Porsche invented a fuel called EFuel, which works like a gas car but it doesn't make CO2. This means that gas cars can stay longer with EFuel
Mercedes combustion cars still look insanely well. the EQ line and the 4 cyl AMG are misssteps which are being corrected as we speak
RIP Pontiac
1926-2010
you will be missed
I don,t know how it is in America
But in Europe car brands have a lots of rules and they become stricter and stricter that,s why we have those abdomination plus the tax are huge for big engines
We need NA inline 6 engines in a BMW M3 again
It's funny how making the batteries are just as hurtful for the environment as cars yet they still try to ruin them
Sadist ive been is yamaha discontinuing the r1 😢 i was hopeing to buy one when im older but guess thats gone
Meanwhile Opel: Can't have a falloff when nobody knows you.
Get this man a TH-cam plaque soon 🙏🏼💪🏼
It is not fair to criticize cars that you have never driven. Yes, you are correct on several points. Simply go and drive the cars initially.
In europe u cant have a catless car or a full exhaust and in 2035 in europe there will be only electric cars(thats what i saw on tv)
electrification can definitely add 1000kg if you want it to be useful as an EV.
I'm a bit worried that these cars could get so heavy to the point where a Toyota Tacoma can't even tow them on a trailer XD
With people complaining about the new M5, would you rather have a 4 cyl m5 or no m5 at all? That’s what we thought. If you want a m5 LTW, that would be nice but it isn’t what we got so there’s no reason to complain
Am I the only one that appreciates the video losing its edges at 1:10 while he says the manufacturers have "lost their edge"? 😂
Car fans are not car buyers. Usually people with the resources to buy a c63 or m5 are not the ones watching youtube or readin reddit, so they make cars appealing to those who can afford them, not to those who will buy them used in 15 years
Would be a valid point if they weren’t at an all time low in sales
4:10 Paying for a C63 only to heat that 4 banger Dacia sounding shit gotta be one of the biggest rip offs...
0:21 "family tree jaskson sorm" sounding ahh car
The hellcat at the beginning, well well well
If they’re gonna put a bunch of emissions junk in then make the junk easy to remove and downtune the engine so that buyers can remove it and uptune it and bingo more power
and then opel has been sniffing glue on a corner for the past 30 years
They listening now fr
May 11, 2024 - Autocar reports the plug-in hybrid four-cylinder engine has caused slow sales for the C63, which is why the CLE63 will get a V8 instead.
they're climbing now because the bmw designer left and mecredes anouced that they're bringing back the V8
I actually kind of like the new m5. Its a boat but i dont have a problem with that, its like a charger but with a better interior
The only German brands that are actually making good cars are Audi and porche for sure. Also that new c63 sounds literally as my Honda hrv dude 😭
I've switched to supporting Porsche, they haven't followed this path much but I'm scared of the future.
4 cylinder in an amg 63 is sick man, nothing wrong with more power from less cylinders. Think about the roots of the 190e evo and the e30 m3, those were both 4 cylinder cars aswell, They still have the v8 under the 63 badge for everything else.. if you really need a v8 jut get a bigger more expensive car. Even Ferrari has a v6 now. Driving is a privelege, we might as well try to cut down on fuel, or at least look like we're trying. The new c63 is still a bigtime gas user compared to a regular car... It only barely uses less fuel than the v8. As you said, these cars are the benchmark of performance and practicality, if you want more then you go for the flagship. The i8 had a 3 cylinder engine.. That was ten years ago. This isn't new either. You have to look at the silver lining rather than so negativity about how "horrible" your 700 horsepower race car sounds
Idk about ford and chevy, ford is still making the mustang and chevy while yes they canceled the camaro its big brother is still kicking ass and taking names, 1065 hp on pump gas is insane
Now I’m kinda new to cars but I can understand how upsetting these changes can be like with the c63, my moms Nissan rouge sounds better than that monstrosity of a car
Make a vid about Noble, British car company
Audi, Porsche, Skoda and Genesis are hands down killing it tho
Edit: Damn, I nearly forgot Nissan with their new GTR
A thing that german auto makers lost is reliability too for example so you know some old mercs can last a million miles because of their semplicity and engineering and its sad that is long gone
I’ll never forgive Mercedes for what they’ve done to the AMG🤦🏿♂️