So basically, if the Heat won this year's finals, they would have had the second hardest path to a championship EVER, with an SRS rating of 23.15. Thats crazy af
Jxmy's titles in the near future: "Using numbers to predict when will the greatest nba player be born and how long will the NBA last" edit: y'all gotta stop fighting about a joke lmao
Jimmy said that LBJ has better defence then AD in the last video because he has a higher defensive rating but the defensive rating is lower the better. Jimmy doesn't even know that simple stat so he's not actually that good at finding stats and using those stats into context.
The thing is his “stats” are always so flawed from a logic perspective. Like if he were to present them in court or something they’d be dismissed because he clearly is always skewed one way
I agree. That 95 Rockets playoff run was straight up inspirational. I'm not saying they were the greatest team ever to win a Championship, or even close, but there run to the title was the most impressive I've ever seen outside of 2001 Lakers and 2011 Mavs
And Hakeem is incredibly underrated ...never mentioned when discussing best C of all time ..they always mention Wilt, Bill, Kareem ..Hakeem should be right with them !
This was the first NBA season I completely followed. I knew only Michael Jordan, Kobe and LeBron before I started following this channel. There's just something so captivating about you. You helped me discover love for this sport. Thank you for that man. More power to you.
They actually made 6 and probably would've made it in 2001 and 2002. Maybe they could've come out over a banged-up Cavs team in 2015. So probably more like 8 or 9, 10 at most.
@@heavylobster4339 2000 over Indiana, 2004 over Detroit, 2006 over Miami, maybe 2016 and 2017 if Kawhi doesn't get hurt (both Cavs and Spurs were super good then so it could go either way.) While they wouldn't have gotten to 15 realistically, in all runs mentioned they would have been favourites
Although his guy isn't the goat either. Kobe or shaq is... Which honestly I think would be the goat bc lbj and mj votes cancel out and generally kobe is always considered 2nd best after 1 of them depending who you ask. Either way if rings carry so much weight then I guess robert horry and Steve kerr, and definitely pippen are like top 10 and Russell is #1 right? Think if lebron was to have 4or5 rings, be 1st or even 2nd in pts and top 10 in rebound and assist can't deny he's goat.
@@SubZer00fucksgiven how many teams did Robert Horry lead to an NBA championship 🤣 how many teams were in the NBA during russels era? 😂 the Lebum no history knowing ass fans comments are the best I swear. Almost as funny as the Twitter niggas and their stats.
2020 Playoffs: Anthony Davis = 28- 10- 3, FG-56%. AD dominated this Playoffs. But now all the credit goes to Lebron James. This is so disrespectful to Anthony Davis.
@@allanhouston6759 AD is getting all the credit. We know he was a big help to LBJ but it's also disrespectful to just dismiss Lebrons hard work in the playoffs and say "AD carried him"
I think the stat doesnt make sense because if the Bucks would have made the finals the Lakers’ championship would have been harder? They just lost to a better organized team but the stat makes it seem like a better opponent because of the regular season.
Yeah, I think this stat and this methode of finding the hardest path definitely has some shortcomings. Unfortunaly he didn't menchend this. You can't blame the lakers for playing against the nuggets and not against the clippers If the CLIPPERS lost to the nuggets. So the lakers have faced the better team. Furthermore the bucks were by far not as good as this SRS says actually in the playoffs.
Heat handily beat the Bucks and Nuggets beat the Clippers. Had Lakers faced off against those teams, their championship would have been easier while taking out teams with much higher SRS. This system is flawed.
Jimmy said that LBJ has better defence then AD in the last video because he has a higher defensive rating but the defensive rating is lower the better. Jimmy doesn't even know that simple stat so he's not actually that good at finding stats and using those stats into context.
Or the league changed and now 3s made players average more points , no defender was actively guarding the 3 as much then I will say the league was more physical and rough then
This year there are 26 20+ PPG scorers (12 25+ PG scorers) in the NBA. Last season there were 43 20+ PPG scorers (17 25+ PG scorers) In 00/01 there were 25 20+ PPG scorers (8 25+ PPG scorer) In 01/02 there were 27 20+ PPG scorers (6 25+ PPG scorer) In 02/03 there were 26 20+ PPG scorers (6 25+ PPG scorers) In 03/04 there were 22 20+ PPG scorers (2 25+ PPG scorers) In 04/05 there were 27 20+ PPG scorers (7 25+ PPG scorers) In 05/06 there were 28 20+ PPG scorers (10 25+ PPG scorer) So if you look at it... something drastically changed this year and the number of 20+ PPG scorers is right back at the same rate then it was in the early 2000... the only change? The new Foulshot rule... strange, isnt it?
Jimmy said that LBJ has better defence then AD in the last video because he has a higher defensive rating but the defensive rating is lower the better. Jimmy doesn't even know that simple stat so he's not actually that good at finding stats and using those stats into context.
wow ... you understimate every team that lost and call them easyyyy? wow unbelievable wowwww.... every team is eager to win and u call them easyyy wowwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Lol you Bron fans reach so much 🤣🤣 do you really want to guess what the Srs scores are of the teams he led that team over in the east were 🤣🤣 It’s not impressive to lead a .8 team to the finals when you played a .4 .5 .6 team to get there lmfao you Bron fans have to try to make him right in every category at least the person who made the vid is the first Bron fan I’ve seen try to be unbiased and just talk hoop, the rest of y’all are just lil girls whining hoping your hero is the best literally ruining the game of basketball
@@andrewalker9562 Cavs were 0.59. They defeated Indiana 1.18, swept top seeded Toronto 7.29 and eliminated Boston 3.23 in 7 games. No I’m not a LBJ fan.
@@lordlylestotomas9352 hell yeah i’m gonna achieve my dream but i’m not gonna be some stupid fuckboy who thinks he can achieve success by MASS promoting something and thinking success is gonna be handed out to them when they should be working hard with NO handouts
Srs is flawed because it's just about the teams regular season. So Portland cuz they had injuries would have a low SRS but we know they were healthy and better in the playoffs
@@hexylic5851 yeh but it shows its flawed because in 2017 spurs had a really high SRS but then kawhi was injured in the playoffs so the srs wouldn't matter
@@liamcoulter9627 he said that in the video but he also said the Lakers championship was one of the easiest historically when that's just not true. You can't say it's flawed and then value the stat
I'd consider 1985 and 2011 both were on in the tough circumstances. Edit: Kareem at age 38 FMVP at Boston Garden (85) competition-wise, toughest I've seen.
As some comments have already said, one potential flaw of this calculation is that it doesn't take into account the champ's own SRS. E.g. the Warriors' 2017 championship might not have actually been that difficult given that they had freakin Steph, Klay AND Durant! (tbf this depends on how you define "difficulty"; do you define it like video-game difficulty where it's just based on how good your opponents are, or do you take into account your own skill as well?) Anyways, I redid the calculations, taking into account the champ's SRS. I wasn't sure what was a better way to incorporate the champ's SRS; whether to divide the sum of their opponents' SRS by their own SRS ( (a+b+c+d)/C ), or to subtract the champ's SRS for each opponent they defeated ( a-C + b-C + c-C + d-C ), so I tried both. Here's the (a+b+c+d)/C results (sorry for uneven formatting): YEAR TEAM DIFFICULTY SCORE 1995 Houston Rockets 10.33 2001 Los Angeles Lakers 5.92 1994 Houston Rockets 4.26 2011 Dallas Mavericks 4.18 2006 Miami Heat 3.85 2010 Los Angeles Lakers 3.54 2016 Cleveland Cavaliers 3.37 2019 Toronto Raptors 3.09 2003 San Antonio Spurs 2.94 2002 Los Angeles Lakers 2.90 1993 Chicago Bulls 2.87 2012 Miami Heat 2.39 2004 Detroit Pistons 2.30 2018 Golden State Warriors 2.27 2014 San Antonio Spurs 2.27 1998 Chicago Bulls 2.25 2000 Los Angeles Lakers 2.23 1989 Detroit Pistons 2.22 2009 Los Angeles Lakers 2.20 1997 Chicago Bulls 1.95 2005 San Antonio Spurs 1.94 2007 San Antonio Spurs 1.84 1990 Detroit Pistons 1.82 1988 Los Angeles Lakers 1.45 2020 Los Angeles Lakers 1.43 1996 Chicago Bulls 1.40 1985 Los Angeles Lakers 1.39 1984 Boston Celtics 1.37 1999 San Antonio Spurs 1.35 2021 Milwaukee Bucks 1.27 2015 Golden State Warriors 1.26 2017 Golden State Warriors 1.21 2008 Boston Celtics 1.21 1992 Chicago Bulls 1.19 2013 Miami Heat 1.16 1986 Boston Celtics 1.13 1991 Chicago Bulls 1.05 1987 Los Angeles Lakers 0.36 Here's the a-C + b-C + c-C + d-C results: YEAR TEAM DIFFICULTY SCORE 1995 Houston Rockets 14.68 2001 Los Angeles Lakers 7.19 1994 Houston Rockets 1.10 2011 Dallas Mavericks 0.79 2006 Miami Heat -0.54 2010 Los Angeles Lakers -2.20 2016 Cleveland Cavaliers -3.42 2019 Toronto Raptors -4.97 2003 San Antonio Spurs -6.00 1993 Chicago Bulls -6.99 2002 Los Angeles Lakers -7.83 2004 Detroit Pistons -8.58 2012 Miami Heat -9.19 2018 Golden State Warriors -9.99 1989 Detroit Pistons -11.08 1990 Detroit Pistons -11.82 1988 Los Angeles Lakers -12.25 1998 Chicago Bulls -12.65 2009 Los Angeles Lakers -12.79 2014 San Antonio Spurs -13.84 2000 Los Angeles Lakers -14.85 2020 Los Angeles Lakers -16.14 2005 San Antonio Spurs -16.15 1984 Boston Celtics -16.89 1985 Los Angeles Lakers -16.94 2007 San Antonio Spurs -18.04 1999 San Antonio Spurs -18.85 2013 Miami Heat -19.96 1997 Chicago Bulls -21.98 1991 Chicago Bulls -25.29 2021 Milwaukee Bucks -25.65 2008 Boston Celtics -25.95 1986 Boston Celtics -25.98 2015 Golden State Warriors -27.39 1992 Chicago Bulls -28.27 1987 Los Angeles Lakers -30.27 1996 Chicago Bulls -30.70 2017 Golden State Warriors -31.63 Hope you can find something interesting in these slightly-different results.
A lot of people hating in the comments missed that line. The guy loves his chart, besides, it's not like he is saying it is "easy". He said it was RELATIVELY easy. He also said the rings are not a very good argument for a player because of al the variables. People need to chill!
Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 25-10 ), JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Lebron James ( 12-9 ). Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 2-5 ), JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Lebron James ( 3-4 ).
@@saeedbaig4249 “good” is only a reflection on what is present. LeBron took the “worst team in the league” and turned them to the best. Twice. That doesn’t show strength in the rest of the league
@@resurrectedpa The 2016 title had long term consequences in NBA. Before, teams would push for having as good a record as possible. But when the team with the record high reg season wins lost, teams just began resting, "load managing", faking injuries etc. Hardly any of the stars even take regular season seriously anymore.The bad teams as well. Winning 60+games will just put pressure on them & make em feel humiliated if they lose.
I think the bubble had alot to do with it. No fans no travel no media. Just basketball. And because of that teams with bad records were able to shine and play better basketball. Ie - the suns - the heat - the nuggets beating clippers. The bubble really showed us who the real hoopers are. When its just pure basketball no distractions and no extra stuff the real hoopers showed up.
@Ooo You Cute If teams are playing at a higher level in the bubble then it still doesnt make the path for the lakers any harder because most teams with the higher seating didnt play as good as expected but underdogs like the nuggets showed out.
If somebody punched a teammate in practice it would go viral. Everyone made a big deal about the KD-Draymond situation but that’s child’s play compared to what Jordan did to Kerr
2022 Golden State Warriors Playoff Opponent SRS - 17.67 Nuggets - 2.16 Grizzlies - 5.37 Mavericks - 3.12 Celtics - 7.02 This would rank #11 all time and by far the Warrior dynasty's hardest championship. If they played the Suns (6.94) instead of the Mavs (3.12), it would've been 21.49 and ranked #3. 2021 Bucks playoff opponent SRS was 11.99, ranking #26.
I feel like this stat is kind of misleading. I mean the Heat essential reinvented them selves going to the finals and in Cleveland, LeBron didn’t play his hardest until the playoffs and this stat is based on regular season.
Umm lebron has versed/won the least amount 50+ win teams in his career than any of the names emphasized in the video like shaq kobe mj dirk etc.. this stat shows how lebron never versed the hardest teams till the finals exactly like u said.
@@NavyBluePersonGuy Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 25-10 ), JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Lebron James ( 12-9 ). Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 2-5 ), JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Lebron James ( 3-4 ). Lebron has played in the Weak East for nearly his entire career. Kobe and MJ didn"t have that luxury. In his First season in the West, Lebron didn"t even make the Playoffs.
@@allanhouston6759 you also forgot that lebron was injured his first season in the west and before he got injured he had the Lakers as a top 4 seed in the west
Watching this I have so much more respect for Kobe. People say he was carried by shaq but in the 01 playoffs dude drops like 45 and 10 whil posterizing Tim Duncan and then like 48 and 15 on the kings
There are flaws to every stat but this one is full of them. And the thing is, some of them are easily fixable. 1) SRS by itself clearly doesn’t work as a metric. If you want to use something like this you need to have your own SRS adjusted upwards once you beat a team with higher SRS. When the Heat beat the bucks, their SRS should improve. How much it should improve should also take into account how easily or difficultly one team beats another team. 2) There needs to be some higher weighting towards the highest SRS team you won when you add up the SRS. I may have three easy rounds but one round where I beat the theoretically best team of all time. That ain’t an easy championship but would still land me around 15-20. It’s hard to weigh properly because it’s going to be arbitrary, but it needs to be captured. 3) My own SRS should matter. If I have SRS of 6 and I beat a team with SRS of 12, not only my SRS should be then adjusted upwards but my win should matter more than if my own SRS was 11 and I beat a team with 12. An easy fix for this is to use SRS ratios rather than absolute SRS. 4) Injuries. SRS needs to be adjusted for injuries during the playoffs. In theory last year’s Raptors beat the GSW who may have had a high SRS but had two of their star players injured during that match up. There are many more flaws that I’m too lazy to talk about. But this metric is absolutely flawed. So much that I don’t think it can be safely used even just to give any sense of direction. To give an example, if I had the greatest SRS of all time with a score of 82-0 and say an SRS of 15, I could sweep 4 equally worse teams with SRS of 6 each team and with everyone of these teams getting their players injured and this would be considered the toughest championship of all time.
You’ve essentially rendered this entire video useless and I’m so happy you did. The bubble doesn’t even apply to any of these regular season stats either. This path can’t be one of the all time easiest and it needs to be properly calculated based on the info you provided to determine where it actually stands based on the true SRS ratio. I think the bubble needs to affect that. Home court advantage is statistically the most important and beneficial advantage to have for an NBA team than any other sport and the lack thereof in the bubble should be reflected statistically to help support or deny his claim in the video. Jimmy should really consider deleting this video for providing misleading information and re-make one with proper calculations factoring everything
Thank you, this was literally common sense, and I was for the first time, appalled at how atrociously bad & beyond dumb Jimmy was with this video... like seriously fr, wtf...
@@navttv THANK YOU!! I literally couldn’t have said it any better & you took the words right out of my mouth. I can’t recall ever seeing Jimmy post something this had & being this blatantly dumb, but this is so bad that it actually makes me have to question his credibility... ‘lol.’
I was watching this with raised eyebrows and I’m so happy this comment was here after I was done. That and navs reply. The bubble happened months after a season was paused and every team entered the bubble fully rested outside the many norms that always happened. Teams that did poorly throughout the season given injuries could be completely different as they entered the bubble. Upsets happened and SRS should factor in how a teams SRS improves after an upset then progressively until they reach the finals. A really interesting thought to dwell on but it seems half-baked to make a video at this moment.
Nevermind all that this just told me how underrated Hakeem is as a centre... Everyone says he is very good but has 2 of the hardest rings and back to back
@@allanhouston6759 haha rusty casual Mj average more ppg rpg apg spg during 95 playoff than 96 playoff Scoring 55 in msg is rusty !! He choke that orlando series
This is also assuming that players aren't taken out during the last mins of a game. For example, a team could be up by 20 to a shitty team and the coach pulls out their starting 5 and plays bench players. The game ends up being won by 10 or 8 then the SRS looks horrible. Or the other way around, a team starts fouling at the end usually giving up more points. To what would've been a closer game now is lost by 8 or 10 points.
This is exactly what happened at game 6 of the finals. Lakers stopped playing hard defense on 4th quarter which allowed a 30-point lead to become a seemingly more respectable scoreline.
@@matthewzhu3246 To be fair he stated that the stat is flawed. But still over the course of a full season, how often is an instance like this happening? And if that team is blowing out others that often, then they’re likely the finals winner that’s being compared. So, while it’s a flaw in the statistic, it’s a very minute one.
Not to mention injuries or trades during the season. The blazers in the playoffs this year weren’t the regular season team and the rockets completely changed halfway through the season
@@BlakeAlexander12 literally the heat swept the 5 seed in the east almost and shouda swept the 1st seed in the damn league with the league mvp and defensive player and beat the 4th most favored team in the celtics convincingly ... wtf are these clowns talking about lmaoooooooo
One reason this could be though is parity. Point differential will be lower if teams are better so maybe the more top heavy the league is, the more difficult the chip looks.
Lebron has never had to defeat three teams with 50-wins or two teams with 60-wins in any Playoff run. JORDAN"s team accomplished this in 5 of his 6 Playoff runs.
Just remember that this doesn’t take into account what actually happened during the runs. For example the Cavs were going against a 73-9 team and down 3-1 are lower than a Lakers team who went up against only AI.
@@GodZanko1231 01 lakers comp? The 01 LAKERS? They had a stacked team. The 16 Cavs had 3 good players and maybe 2-3 good roleplayers but 01 Lakers were stacked af. I wouldn't say it was the comp but it was how they played as a team. I'll go have a look at the stats during their games in those playoffs.
Never forget they only won because of LeBrons dirty play on draymond in Game 5 changed the whole series. And this Title Lebron won because the Lakers complained to the league about foul calls. He soft idc what anyone says great player but he soft
Lebron James has never had to defeat three teams with 50-wins or two teams with 60-wins in any Playoff run. JORDAN"s team accomplished this in 5 of his 6 Playoff runs.
@@kalix975 no...media played a role, but it was moreso his father's death. Kobe in 04 was targeted by the arguably best defense in history as a young buck (before his mamba days). Regardless, those two are known as the biggest killers in nba history for the reason, with one being considered by most to be the GOAT lmao
Just rewatched the “when a man becomes a legend” vid on Kobe before this and realized Kobe also has 5 of the 16 most difficult championship runs based on SRS. He really was the man
Missing one key factor: SRS of champion vs competition on average. Sure, beating a 5 SRS team in every round adds up to a monster title run... unless the team that won posted an SRS of 12. That in fact would be a relatively easy title run although the total SRS would be 20. Alternatively, a 2 SRS team beating a 5 SRS team in every round would be amazing. In every round you beat a team that was statistically better than you.
I disagree ths level of competion they had to beat was just as hard in the end of the day because to shit teams like the 2020knicks face of against the 2020 chichago bulls and the knicks beat them in the finals and they beat teams like the hornets and etc even tho Knicks have a lower have SRS rating the competion was thecnically harder relative to the Knicks but was there championship really the hardest? Which it kinda is but I'd say that it is the most balanced championship competion
@@connorstaggs1691 That was a great team that people don't give credit to because it's just a reason to bash LeBron. It's like people have forgotten the 2004 Finals already lol. Kobe got swept, but who cares? Dirk absolutely destroyed Bosh in the Finals but who cares? One giant spotlight on a LeBron James who was trying to NOT take over Wade's team. Then what happened? Wade said "bruh this IS your team" and 2012 LeBron happened.
@@Xzei Because dirk was the only player of that caliber on the mavericks, when you have 1 superstar and roleplayers beating 2 superstars, plus some all stars, it's super impressive.
he played alongside Shaq for the first three, thus lowering their value the most valuable ring for a team led by one clear superstar in recent memory with all factors applied are: Lebron ‘16 Dirk ‘11 Kobe ‘10 Hakeem ‘94 Duncan ‘03 Isaiah Thomas ‘89
Shaq was amazing too I'm mean it is impossible to ignore how dominant he really was... 33pts 17rebs per... those two together the best combo i've seen, and I'm an MJ fan but Pippen was no where near the same planet as Shaq was lets get real...
@@omb3d80 You're really doing that ?! So you're not gonna give credit to Kyrie for the 2016 chip ?!! Come on !! Not only did he have Kyrie, but also had Love !! Dirk had no one in their prime, Kobe had Gasol ..who I would take over Love, but in terms of production, let's not forget that Love averaged 19 and 12 in MIN..and a good 17 and 10 in CLE ..as a #3 guy ..Gasol had similar number as the #2 option !! ..Hakeem and Duncan didn't have players at a star level (yet) ..and Isiah ..my god !!! He had Dumars (All-Defensive 1st team, 6x all star), Rodman (you know..the one that everyone keeps saying he's the best defensive player ever and helped Jordan win on a stacked team ...well, he was 10x better as a Pistons), Aguirre (3x all-star) !!...Come on !
that was completely busted, the cavs would have easily defeated the pels, although the cavs were probably inevitably going to lose the championship they for sure were better than the pels
@Nahbro Bro yeah I was thinking the same shit! This stuff isn’t reliable also depends on who was on they A game like any other season, who was injured, prime or out of prime players playing at the time. Also maybe scores are a lot lower now cause teams are getting more competitive?
Even if a team's SRS score is a reliable indicator of how good that team is, you can't measure the difficulty of a path to finals victory just by adding up the SRS scores of the four teams that were defeated on that path. Consider: it would be a LOT harder to beat one team with an SRS score of 24 and three teams with SRS scores of zero, than it would be to beat four teams each with SRS scores of 6. But both "paths" add up to 24.
@@jared._.5176 wouldn't that strategy effectively make their championship statistically easier? it would becomethem beating a bunch of "average" record teams to a final rather than beating teams with good records which is what boosts the SRS rating.
Yeah but facing teams with an SRS score of 6 in your paths to the finals make that finals run harder than just facing one rlly good team in my opinion.
Also he should also take into account the SRS of the team that won. Its not the same winning a championship with a team that has an SRS of 15 than winning with one that has 3 even if you have the same path. And this is not seen in the metric.
I understand it’s one of the easiest paths to the finals based on opponents but I don’t think you can fault them because the other good playoff teams like the the clippers and the bucks lost to those weaker opponents while the lakers sustained all the way.
Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Kobe Bryant ( 2-5 ), Lebron James ( 3-4 ). Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Kobe Bryant ( 25-10 ), Lebron James ( 12-9 ). Lebron has played in the weak East throughout his career. MJ and Kobe didn"t have that luxury.
The people you are talking about didn't want the heat because they like miami or south beach or jimmy They just hate lebron and they don't want him to win They were warriors fans then became clippers then blazers rockets nuggets and finally heat
Ban Adebao - Missed 2 games. Goran Dragic - Missed 4 games. Rookie Tyler Herro ( age 20 ). Jimmy Butler - Top 10. Anthony Davis - Top 5. Lebron James - Top 5. Rajon Rondo. Still needed 6 games to beat the Miami Heat.
For me i think 2011 Mavs has the toughest tittle run.. Beating Roy aldridge batum kobe pau artest bynum durant westbrook harden wade bosh and lebron all in their prime.
They were not in their Prime. 2011 OKC: James Harden ( age 21 ), Russell Westbrook ( age 22 ), 2011 Lakers: Kobe Bryant ( age 32 ), 2011 Blazers: Post-injuries Brandon Roy.
@@allanhouston6759 sorry to include all of them in one sentence, I only meant Bosh Wade, and Lebron on their prime.. but even so .. a young harden and Westbrook is still hard to guard and Kobe was still on prime even at 32.. they went back to back before that season and they're hungry for a 3peat. Roy is still effective even he has those injuries..they had prime Wesley Mathews and Gerald Wallace too.
I appreciate how you keep things as objective as possible and give credit where it's due. It's very refreshing to see people like you speaking on sports as opposed to mainstream sports media that's extremely and outwardly biased on their positions.
Lebron Dominates the East for like 10 straight years "The west is a different beast! He had a cakewalk" *Lebron wins a ring in only his 2nd year in the West( first year healthy)* "This was the easiest path to a ring, it deserves an asterisk!" Lmao this isn't a directed at Jxmy but it's hilarious how people just keep pushing the goal post back further when it comes to Lebron
Let’s be fair the west this year was not the same as previous years. Yes LeBron played amazing and deserved his ring, but we can all admit this was not the same west.
"Rarely that the best 2 teams ever met in the finals" This statement helps Kobe's case in the goat debate tremendously imo. Coz 2 out the 3 championship run he had with Shaq, Kobe was arguably the MVP against the best overall team they faced in the playoffs. Based on their SRS all the teams they faced in the Western Conference Finals were far better than who they faced in the NBA finals. No one in their right mind would argue that the Pacers, Sixers and Nets were a better team than the TrailBlazers, Spurs and Kings in those particular years. Plus Shaq having the much more favorable match ups against guys like a 33 yr old Rick Smits, 34 yr old Mutombo and a role player in Jason Collins favored him to put up bigger numbers which secured him as the 3x FMVP during those runs, while Kobe were matched up against Miller, Iverson and Kidd. The average fans wont even look at these details, and jump in that "Shaq carried Kobe" bandwagon. This disrespect need to stop!
@@shelovinthecrew No fucking shot Shaq was winning those championships alone, I'm not saying either one was better but Shaq does not win those alone. They were historically some really hard championships
@@shelovinthecrew LMFAOOO You are the biggest casual i've ever seen. Shaq litterly fouled out on an elimination game where KOBE carried the game. How many rings did kobe win after shaq? 2. How many did shaq win after kobe? 1 with Dwade. Shaq at best wins 1 out of 3 of those rings and thats pushing it super hard considering how his runs in orlando went.
2020 Nba Finals. Miami Heat: Rookie Tyler Herro ( age 20 ), Jimmy Butler - Top 10. Bam Adebao - Missed 2 games. Goran Dragic - Missed 4 games. Lakers: Anthony Davis - Top 5. Lebron James - Top 5. Dwight Howard. Rajon Rondo. Still needed 6 games to beat the Miami Heat.
@@allanhouston6759 the heat are have more depth than the Lakers, Lakers really only have 1 or 2 bench players to rely on, the rest were dogshit in the restart
Can’t judge a playoff run off of regular season stats (SRS), teams can perform better or worse once you get to the playoffs i.e 2007 Mavs and 1999 Knicks
Those first three titles were difficult, but they were Shaq's first and foremost, if we're pinning it to one person. The difficulty of those rings does not enhance Kobe's legacy.
I feel like the chart should have just shown the difficulty of the best team that the championship team had to face. Cause technically the hardest team that they beat kind of shows how good the team actually was more than the difficulty of the collection of teams that they beat.
When the asterisk in the video is wrong and you actually said the right fact In case if you dont know what im talking about, he said the 2001 lakers went 15-1, while the asterisk said 16-1. The lakers actually did go 15-1 in the playoffs that year, as first round series were best 3 of 5 until 2003
2020 Nba Finals. Miami Heat: Rookie Tyler Herro ( age 20 ). Bam Adebao was injured and missed 2 games. Goran Dragic was injured and missed 4 games. Jimmy Butler- Top 10. Lakers: Anthony Davis - Top 5. Lebron James - Top 5. Dwight Howard, Rajon Rondo. *Still neeeded 6 games to beat the Miami Heat*
Nice video my dude but I have a few things to add when it comes to using SRS. SRS is more of a predictive system that allows you to predict wins better. It doesn't really work as a system to understand past accomplishments. This is due to the inherent bias in the system to a number of things such as: - preferring blowouts - underrating defensive teams - weighing pointless games at the end of the regular season equally to the finals
This is a great stat and all, but does this factor in injuries to teams for and against teams that won championships? Example: Warriors played all injured starters in their 2015 championship run, but their championship appears to be ranked in the middle of the chart. To me, this doesn't seem right, it should be towards the very bottom.
Good point. That would make this year’s Lakers title even easier interestingly enough Round 1 - Lillard dislocates his finger and injures his knee. Zach Collins was also out Round 2 - Westbrook comes off a Quad injury and Danuel House gets suspended for non basketball related reasons Conference Finals - Jamal Murray plays through injury in game 5 Finals - Bam and Dragic both go down midway through game 1. Bam doesn’t come back til game 4 and Dragic until game 6.
Probably would have to create a whole new equation, win/loss +/- with or without. It'd be a nightmare to figure out and maybe it wouldn't even change the outcome as much
the 2021 bucks had the 26th hardest championship with a combined SRS of 11.99, 2022 warriors would have the 11th hardest road to a championship, the 2023 nuggets had the easiest path to a championship since 1984 with a combined SRS of 2.16
You're a delusional Bron Stan if you cant see the fact that a majority of teams after the 3 months of no NBA games were a former shell of themselves in the bubble; the lakers had a cake walk series lol.
@@RuskiVodkaaaa is it brons fault thet the strongest teams became weak in the bubble no cause he aint god and its the teams fault if theyre best player is washed during the bubble not brons not the nba
@@RuskiVodkaaaa you fool... Blazers were bad in regular season but we all know how good they were at the bubble... We all saw that bucks were easily the best team in the league with the highest srs but we saw the heats clamping gainnis... This stat is flawed.. clippers were clearly the better team still blew a 3-1 lead... Stop hating and start appreciating
@@MineShackle when he drops 50 a stat padder.. when he drops 20 he's washed... When blazers beat him in the 1st game.. blazers in 5.. but when he beat them.. blazers had a below 500 record... Just shut up
A ring is a ring. Of course we can compare the difficulty of attaining different rings, this is sports, we compare everything. But the idea of an asterisk is absolutely absurd.
The only one I might consider is KD. An MVP joining a 67 then 73 win team is kinda sus, but even so I mean props to the man he got his rings that he wasn’t gonna get at OKC. All the rest I think even if some were easy are fair.
Did you stop and consider that an asterisks isnt necessarily a negative thing? The bubble was a different situation that no NBA player has ever seen before. The asterisks doesn't have anything to do with the difficulty of the championship though in that case. It's just a different circumstance that should be noted. Thats all folks
"Ring is still a Ring" I agree...BUT !......It's a lot sweeter when it's super hard. You prove team greatness. Kobe and Shaq's Lakers Jordan's and Pippens Bulls Hakeem the dream the most underrated big man and thank God you got people like shaq showing him love It gives a different prospective, once again awesome video bro.. all LOVE !!
@@maxiqums1549 Dominance is overrated anyways. HAHAHAH Perseverance proves is a lot more dominantce that we think. Especially mentaly. The cavs comeback against golden state si going to be a lot more memorable than any other moment in lebron's career. Most people will shape his greatness from that. Just like Jordan's 2 three-peats Or Magic's win over Larry bird's Celtics. Or KG's,paul pierce,rondo,ray allen. WIn over KObe's lakers. And KObe Coming BAck from that.
@@nineseven5252 JORDAN"s Bulls defeated SEVEN 60+win teams ( a Record for a dynasty team in a decade ) and 20 teams that had between 50-59 wins. *JORDAN was guarded by Defensive Player of the Year players in the Playoffs several times* Dennis Rodman - 2x DPOY. Sidney Moncrief- 2x DPOY, Alvin Robertson - 1x DPOY, Gary Payton - 1x DPOY. Before talking about a basketball do at least a little research.
i disagree with the rating system, sorry. What if a team’s rating is 20, and they go against tram who’s rating is 10? it makes the score jump up even tho they had a much better team. Which is why making it to the finals with a team with 0.6 rating is an incredible feat, even if they had a weaker conference.
Let's be honest, The Heat just wasn't the right matchup for the Lakers. Clippers and the Bucks have a better chance of winning against the Lakers. It just so happens, the Heat had the number of the Bucks first and Denver to the Clips.
I’m sorry but I think the Heat are a worse team than the bucks and Celtics, if this was a normal playoffs the heat wouldn’t have got passed the 2nd round
@@chanceadams7043 you sound like an idiot. First off, we beat the bucks in 5, no debate who’s better. Second off, I would understand this point if there was a game 7 and the fans were extremely intense, but there never was. Each team would have had 3 home games after game 6. You are so dumb.
@Wde399 ok then leave numbers aside would you like to argue that the nuggets or the heat where better then any of the teams that kobe and shaq faced? In 2001 for example the spurs?
(READ FULL COMMENT) Man... This metric is not good at all when measuring how easy or hard it was to get a ring, because you haven't included the SRS of the HOME TEAM. For example, the Lakers in 2001 might have had a lot of really good opponents, which made them near the top of the list, but they themselves also might have had an absurdly high SRS, and that isn't taken into account. Would love to see a video where you add up all the opposing teams' SRS's, but also subtract from that 4x the home teams' SRS. It would look something like this: Warriors 2017 Championship Run: -0.23 13.77 +4.00 -5.79 (Warriors' SRS That Year) +7.13 -5.79 +2.87 -5.79 =13.77 =-3.6 See, now the Warriors 2017 run looks like a piece of cake, because when you subtract their own teams' SRS from each of their playoff series, it adds (subtracts) to -3.6. Jxmy please make another video as a replacement of this one where you use this stat, because it really is a much better indicator of how hard a run was. Like so Jxmy can see
@@MineShackle Well, if the 1st seed played against a team with an SRS of 5, and the 30th seed played against the exact same team, would the competition be the same? No, because the 30th seed is much worse. It would be a much harder path to the finals for that 30th seed than the 1st seed because their own SRS is much lower than the 1st seed.
@@sephyy.c5360 yes....but that hasnt happened, except once, Hakeem's rockets. 2001 Lakers were an all time great team that beat all time great teams in the playoffs thus still making it one of the most difficult runs in NBA history. It doesnt negate the competition being elite. You're speaking on a hypothetical that has and will never happened
I think there’s some logical fallacy on your statement. A team facing teams with lower SRS also means that the team was so dominant in the regular season. So having a easy way through a ring can mean being so dominant in the regular season.
Yep! That is a serious problem with that stat, although he kind of touched on it when he talked about the 80s and how dominate some of the teams were. This stat heavily favors a more balanced league. Part of the reason why the west teams chips look so good is the west was well balanced for a number of years. East was extremely top heavy.
Those stats are very weird, because it doesn‘t talk about injurys or other circum stances auch as Players getting better in the Playoffs. I dont think there is a way to measure how “Hard“ a Championchip was.
I feel the same. There’s a reason why expectations are so different for the playoffs. How is your mental game gonna be, how is the coaching gonna adjust. Lineups change, it’s a different environment, which is often why the two “#1” seeds hardly meet, aside from injury. Like this year the Bucks were a better team than the Heat, but not in playoff form.
@@gadgets__ yea while talent wise the road to this years chip is easy. But it doesn’t account for the mental toll of being stuck in one place and not being able to leave. Players getting depressed from their environment. Not being able to see family. Etc.
Regardless of how difficult a championship was based on these stats a ring is a ring and it will always be an incredible accomplishment that you can never discredit
This stat implies that regular season teams perform the same in the playoffs. Bucks this year would've had a higher SRS but the Heat were clearly the better team
I think most of the people saying this was the hardest ship to win refer to the bubble and not the teams faced. The whole environment made this championship so hard to win.
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@@ginorich159 yes but that is why the bubble is more difficult. Everyone in the nba is good, so when. You remove pressure , people who are normally seen as decent or bad players can shine. This can explain why Warren , Herro, Booker, and others were probably better than they would be in a regular environment.
Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 25-10 ), JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Lebron James ( 12-9 ). Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 2-5 ), JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Lebron James ( 3-4 ).
What are you talking about? Did you even watch MJ play? This is what I don't like about stats; they never reflect the actual game play. How many HOF's did MJ have on his teams in total? 2! One was a transfer and the other was home grown. The stats doesn't show this!
expansion teams buddy, MJ had many of the easiest rings ever. 6 new teams were added between 1988 and 1995 which boosted the teams SRS as the new teams were bad and boosted the winrates of existing teams
@nKosi Ama Kosi But the term "carry" is a very strong word. If a player carries a team, he must carry them both on offense and defense. We all know, even he had high SPG averages, Iverson was an average perimeter defender. Plus, he was coached by one the best coaches of all time.
2000-2001 Lakers were probably my all-time favorite single season team to watch. Greatest playoff run I've ever seen. Kobe and Shaq as a dynamic duo in that playoff run especially, I believe reached the absolute pinnacle that you can reach as 2 all-time greats in or near the prime of there ability could be able to accomplish together. They literally were an overtime loss to that year's MVP Iverson and the overachieving scrappy Sixers in game 1 of the Finals, from being the only team ever to go undefeated in the playoffs.
They had a mediocre regular season but historical postseason. the 01 lakers is a reminder as to why the '16 warriors were overrated- regular season record is a poor metric as to a team's quality
@@vulcanraven9701 that was kind of a tumultuous regular season for that Laker team coming off of their first championship. That’s when the Kobe and Shaq tension began to get public and became a season long talking point for the media. I Just think they kind of coasted through the regular season and near the end they went on an 8 game win streak to end the season and it carried over into the historic playoff run. Loved that team. Even with all the drama that was going on in the regular season it was such a fun year and I cherished every second of that run.
Not likely since the Rockets in those seasons he was gone were really good. Edit: it was either the Rockets or another team that I could be forgetting.
JxmyHighroller / Dom2k / Andy Hoops. Mount Rushmore of TOP TIER quality NBA videos. Also I was thinking could there be another way to total the SRS? Since a 0.59 in the finals might make it seem like it's a cakewalk for the opposing team but that 0.59 team also "defeated Indiana 1.18, swept top seeded Toronto 7.29 and eliminated Boston 3.23 in 7 games" With this factoring everything in mind, it'll be nice to see a diff chart.
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So basically, if the Heat won this year's finals, they would have had the second hardest path to a championship EVER, with an SRS rating of 23.15. Thats crazy af
In the last 30 years
I wished they did win not like I don’t want LeBron to win but I just want the underdog to win
@@1kbmahan even as a Lakers fan, I would catch myself rooting for them sometimes
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Giannis bucks weren't that strong though... So the rating means F-all
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Actually this would work....
Jimmy said that LBJ has better defence then AD in the last video because he has a higher defensive rating but the defensive rating is lower the better. Jimmy doesn't even know that simple stat so he's not actually that good at finding stats and using those stats into context.
@@abelthegoat2471 dude he’s a human,he gonna make mistakes,stop complaining
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The thing is his “stats” are always so flawed from a logic perspective. Like if he were to present them in court or something they’d be dismissed because he clearly is always skewed one way
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Happy to see that Hakeem’s second ring has been confirmed as the toughest championship since ‘84. That team is incredibly underrated.
I agree. That 95 Rockets playoff run was straight up inspirational. I'm not saying they were the greatest team ever to win a Championship, or even close, but there run to the title was the most impressive I've ever seen outside of 2001 Lakers and 2011 Mavs
And Hakeem is incredibly underrated ...never mentioned when discussing best C of all time ..they always mention Wilt, Bill, Kareem ..Hakeem should be right with them !
@@Herbalizer28 hakeem One and only problem Is peaking during MJ's prime. In any other era he would have won 5-6 rings
wtf do you mean underrated
@@mence5992 if he was on a better team he would've won more.
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The Spurs would have been in like 15 NBA finals on the last 20 years if they were an eastern conference team.
@@esotericguru7111 nahhh
They actually made 6 and probably would've made it in 2001 and 2002. Maybe they could've come out over a banged-up Cavs team in 2015. So probably more like 8 or 9, 10 at most.
@@heavylobster4339 2000 over Indiana, 2004 over Detroit, 2006 over Miami, maybe 2016 and 2017 if Kawhi doesn't get hurt (both Cavs and Spurs were super good then so it could go either way.) While they wouldn't have gotten to 15 realistically, in all runs mentioned they would have been favourites
That Western conference was mad thicc tho.
@@RRAAII17 04, 06 and 16 all won the chip. They had to beat the team the spurs lost to
If Skip Bayless sees this, we'll never hear the end of it...
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Although his guy isn't the goat either. Kobe or shaq is... Which honestly I think would be the goat bc lbj and mj votes cancel out and generally kobe is always considered 2nd best after 1 of them depending who you ask.
Either way if rings carry so much weight then I guess robert horry and Steve kerr, and definitely pippen are like top 10 and Russell is #1 right? Think if lebron was to have 4or5 rings, be 1st or even 2nd in pts and top 10 in rebound and assist can't deny he's goat.
@@SubZer00fucksgiven how many teams did Robert Horry lead to an NBA championship 🤣 how many teams were in the NBA during russels era? 😂 the Lebum no history knowing ass fans comments are the best I swear. Almost as funny as the Twitter niggas and their stats.
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2020 Playoffs:
Anthony Davis = 28- 10- 3, FG-56%.
AD dominated this Playoffs. But now all the credit goes to Lebron James.
This is so disrespectful to Anthony Davis.
@@allanhouston6759 ok
@@allanhouston6759 AD is getting all the credit. We know he was a big help to LBJ but it's also disrespectful to just dismiss Lebrons hard work in the playoffs and say "AD carried him"
I think the stat doesnt make sense because if the Bucks would have made the finals the Lakers’ championship would have been harder? They just lost to a better organized team but the stat makes it seem like a better opponent because of the regular season.
This is it, champ
Yeah, I think this stat and this methode of finding the hardest path definitely has some shortcomings. Unfortunaly he didn't menchend this.
You can't blame the lakers for playing against the nuggets and not against the clippers If the CLIPPERS lost to the nuggets. So the lakers have faced the better team. Furthermore the bucks were by far not as good as this SRS says actually in the playoffs.
Heat handily beat the Bucks and Nuggets beat the Clippers. Had Lakers faced off against those teams, their championship would have been easier while taking out teams with much higher SRS. This system is flawed.
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Jimmy said that LBJ has better defence then AD in the last video because he has a higher defensive rating but the defensive rating is lower the better. Jimmy doesn't even know that simple stat so he's not actually that good at finding stats and using those stats into context.
The early 2000’s is the most defensive era in basketball. A 20ppg scorer means much more then than now
Or the league changed and now 3s made players average more points , no defender was actively guarding the 3 as much then I will say the league was more physical and rough then
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@@freakydex3301 Partially but also the pace is faster so there are more possessions than the 90’s and 2000’s
This year there are 26 20+ PPG scorers (12 25+ PG scorers) in the NBA.
Last season there were 43 20+ PPG scorers (17 25+ PG scorers)
In 00/01 there were 25 20+ PPG scorers (8 25+ PPG scorer)
In 01/02 there were 27 20+ PPG scorers (6 25+ PPG scorer)
In 02/03 there were 26 20+ PPG scorers (6 25+ PPG scorers)
In 03/04 there were 22 20+ PPG scorers (2 25+ PPG scorers)
In 04/05 there were 27 20+ PPG scorers (7 25+ PPG scorers)
In 05/06 there were 28 20+ PPG scorers (10 25+ PPG scorer)
So if you look at it... something drastically changed this year and the number of 20+ PPG scorers is right back at the same rate then it was in the early 2000... the only change? The new Foulshot rule... strange, isnt it?
I'd say from 90s to 2000s were the most defensive minded.
When Jxmy really wants to emphasize his point:
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Jimmy said that LBJ has better defence then AD in the last video because he has a higher defensive rating but the defensive rating is lower the better. Jimmy doesn't even know that simple stat so he's not actually that good at finding stats and using those stats into context.
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Well then lebron still not the goat cause Jordan and Kobe got more rings😂
@@kevinpasala6118 then Bill Russell is the goat
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@@MikePenguin sarcasm🤐
If Miami won this year, their SRS score would be No.1 all time probably
It would be No.1 and by a landslide
the eastern conference championship by itself must have gotten a higher SRS than the lakers did with winning it all 😂
@@arthurdiogenes2732 it would be second hardest all time with a score of 23.15
Go see 1995 rockets
You’ll see why no other team will ever come close to topping them in terms of hardest road to finals
wow ... you understimate every team that lost and call them easyyyy? wow unbelievable wowwww.... every team is eager to win and u call them easyyy wowwwwwwwwwwwwwww
LeBron made it to the finals with a team that had an srs score less than 1 lmao
Lol you Bron fans reach so much 🤣🤣 do you really want to guess what the Srs scores are of the teams he led that team over in the east were 🤣🤣
It’s not impressive to lead a .8 team to the finals when you played a .4 .5 .6 team to get there lmfao you Bron fans have to try to make him right in every category at least the person who made the vid is the first Bron fan I’ve seen try to be unbiased and just talk hoop, the rest of y’all are just lil girls whining hoping your hero is the best literally ruining the game of basketball
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@@andrewalker9562 why so pressed child
@@andrewalker9562 Cavs were 0.59. They defeated Indiana 1.18, swept top seeded Toronto 7.29 and eliminated Boston 3.23 in 7 games.
No I’m not a LBJ fan.
Imagine being Jimmy's friend. You get in an argument about the NBA and this man pulls a graph out on you.
Imagine being dumb enough to get into a basketball argument with this dude. No way ur gonna win lmfao
A flawed and bs graph at that
@@dusk6159 wtf bro
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Srs is flawed because it's just about the teams regular season. So Portland cuz they had injuries would have a low SRS but we know they were healthy and better in the playoffs
Is still wouldnt be much of a difference. It was a 5 game series
@@hexylic5851 yeh but it shows its flawed because in 2017 spurs had a really high SRS but then kawhi was injured in the playoffs so the srs wouldn't matter
He said that in the video lol
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@@liamcoulter9627 he said that in the video but he also said the Lakers championship was one of the easiest historically when that's just not true. You can't say it's flawed and then value the stat
I'd consider 1985 and 2011 both were on in the tough circumstances.
Edit: Kareem at age 38 FMVP at Boston Garden (85) competition-wise, toughest I've seen.
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1995 too
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As some comments have already said, one potential flaw of this calculation is that it doesn't take into account the champ's own SRS. E.g. the Warriors' 2017 championship might not have actually been that difficult given that they had freakin Steph, Klay AND Durant! (tbf this depends on how you define "difficulty"; do you define it like video-game difficulty where it's just based on how good your opponents are, or do you take into account your own skill as well?)
Anyways, I redid the calculations, taking into account the champ's SRS.
I wasn't sure what was a better way to incorporate the champ's SRS; whether to divide the sum of their opponents' SRS by their own SRS ( (a+b+c+d)/C ), or to subtract the champ's SRS for each opponent they defeated ( a-C + b-C + c-C + d-C ), so I tried both.
Here's the (a+b+c+d)/C results (sorry for uneven formatting):
YEAR TEAM DIFFICULTY SCORE
1995 Houston Rockets 10.33
2001 Los Angeles Lakers 5.92
1994 Houston Rockets 4.26
2011 Dallas Mavericks 4.18
2006 Miami Heat 3.85
2010 Los Angeles Lakers 3.54
2016 Cleveland Cavaliers 3.37
2019 Toronto Raptors 3.09
2003 San Antonio Spurs 2.94
2002 Los Angeles Lakers 2.90
1993 Chicago Bulls 2.87
2012 Miami Heat 2.39
2004 Detroit Pistons 2.30
2018 Golden State Warriors 2.27
2014 San Antonio Spurs 2.27
1998 Chicago Bulls 2.25
2000 Los Angeles Lakers 2.23
1989 Detroit Pistons 2.22
2009 Los Angeles Lakers 2.20
1997 Chicago Bulls 1.95
2005 San Antonio Spurs 1.94
2007 San Antonio Spurs 1.84
1990 Detroit Pistons 1.82
1988 Los Angeles Lakers 1.45
2020 Los Angeles Lakers 1.43
1996 Chicago Bulls 1.40
1985 Los Angeles Lakers 1.39
1984 Boston Celtics 1.37
1999 San Antonio Spurs 1.35
2021 Milwaukee Bucks 1.27
2015 Golden State Warriors 1.26
2017 Golden State Warriors 1.21
2008 Boston Celtics 1.21
1992 Chicago Bulls 1.19
2013 Miami Heat 1.16
1986 Boston Celtics 1.13
1991 Chicago Bulls 1.05
1987 Los Angeles Lakers 0.36
Here's the a-C + b-C + c-C + d-C results:
YEAR TEAM DIFFICULTY SCORE
1995 Houston Rockets 14.68
2001 Los Angeles Lakers 7.19
1994 Houston Rockets 1.10
2011 Dallas Mavericks 0.79
2006 Miami Heat -0.54
2010 Los Angeles Lakers -2.20
2016 Cleveland Cavaliers -3.42
2019 Toronto Raptors -4.97
2003 San Antonio Spurs -6.00
1993 Chicago Bulls -6.99
2002 Los Angeles Lakers -7.83
2004 Detroit Pistons -8.58
2012 Miami Heat -9.19
2018 Golden State Warriors -9.99
1989 Detroit Pistons -11.08
1990 Detroit Pistons -11.82
1988 Los Angeles Lakers -12.25
1998 Chicago Bulls -12.65
2009 Los Angeles Lakers -12.79
2014 San Antonio Spurs -13.84
2000 Los Angeles Lakers -14.85
2020 Los Angeles Lakers -16.14
2005 San Antonio Spurs -16.15
1984 Boston Celtics -16.89
1985 Los Angeles Lakers -16.94
2007 San Antonio Spurs -18.04
1999 San Antonio Spurs -18.85
2013 Miami Heat -19.96
1997 Chicago Bulls -21.98
1991 Chicago Bulls -25.29
2021 Milwaukee Bucks -25.65
2008 Boston Celtics -25.95
1986 Boston Celtics -25.98
2015 Golden State Warriors -27.39
1992 Chicago Bulls -28.27
1987 Los Angeles Lakers -30.27
1996 Chicago Bulls -30.70
2017 Golden State Warriors -31.63
Hope you can find something interesting in these slightly-different results.
by the eye test this list seems far more accurate
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Bruh that music was a vibe
I didn’t even realize this was the same channel without it
Stop complaining dude. He already talked about this.
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This stat only looks good on paper. Since Bucks have a higher “srs” but heat with a lower “srs” were definitely better.
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thats the whole point though
Also matchups, coaching, etc.. matter in a series
@Keyan Dehghan yeah but in an upset they win for a reason
Besides the fact that the bucks have 3 points more than all the other top 5? I mean they were good but thats ridiculous
Mavs run coming in at #6 shows how incredible Dirk was that season
Legend
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Bro swept Kobe and beat lebron in 6. Don’t even like dirk but it’s not talked about enough
Dirk was legendary.
2011 Nba Finals.
Dirk Nowitzki was the only star player in his team.
D Wade = 26- 7- 5, FG-54%.
*But Lebron James still lost even with that help*
Lmao Lebron just said he has played in the 2 hardest championships in NBA history i had to come watch this video again 😂
Anthony Samuel u doing realize this method of measuring championships is incredibly flawed
He wasn't talking about the teams he beat being difficult
Laughs in 2013 Heat and 2020 Lakers. This nigga basically won 2 of the easiest rings in the past 37 years and is still 4-6 SMH.
@@vanguardas9927 LMAO
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“Even though they’re not built the same, they still shine just as bright”🤧
A lot of people hating in the comments missed that line. The guy loves his chart, besides, it's not like he is saying it is "easy". He said it was RELATIVELY easy. He also said the rings are not a very good argument for a player because of al the variables. People need to chill!
Why did I read this then jxmy said it it right after
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except kd’s...
Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 25-10 ), JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Lebron James ( 12-9 ).
Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 2-5 ), JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Lebron James ( 3-4 ).
Who's the goat?
People: MJ
People: LeBron
People: Kareem
Me: Jxmyhighroller
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Tbh the goat debate is stupid
Simp
@@godwillie5949 the word "great" is different from a person to another
We should be debating who is the boat
Best player of all time not the greatest
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Breakfast and Jhimme let's go 😄👌
Breakfast? U mean lunch?
One could argue that the league having “good teams” could actually just be a reflection of the league having bad teams
I don't get it; can you explain?
@@saeedbaig4249 Roster composition. The 2015 Hawks had like 60 wins and LeBron and Kyrie straight made them do a rebuild.
@@saeedbaig4249 “good” is only a reflection on what is present. LeBron took the “worst team in the league” and turned them to the best. Twice. That doesn’t show strength in the rest of the league
@@resurrectedpa The 2016 title had long term consequences in NBA. Before, teams would push for having as good a record as possible. But when the team with the record high reg season wins lost, teams just began resting, "load managing", faking injuries etc.
Hardly any of the stars even take regular season seriously anymore.The bad teams as well. Winning 60+games will just put pressure on them & make em feel humiliated if they lose.
Hakeem is criminally underrated. That finals run was absurd
in my mind he is top 3 ever, all before 90s except bird magic and kareem were servery overated....
Nah bro people call him the goat center
But some do say shaq instead it’s close
Yeah hot take Hakeem>Shaq
@@CBFW_KO Hakeem was more skilled than Shaq that's fasho
I think the bubble had alot to do with it. No fans no travel no media. Just basketball. And because of that teams with bad records were able to shine and play better basketball. Ie - the suns - the heat - the nuggets beating clippers. The bubble really showed us who the real hoopers are. When its just pure basketball no distractions and no extra stuff the real hoopers showed up.
Facts I been saying this 💯
But wouldnt the lack of fans and media make it harder to get a championship because teams are playing at a higher level?
@Ooo You Cute however at the same time, some players thrive off of fams
@Ooo You Cute yes that is exactly what I mean. Players are playing better so a championship should be harder right?
@Ooo You Cute If teams are playing at a higher level in the bubble then it still doesnt make the path for the lakers any harder because most teams with the higher seating didnt play as good as expected but underdogs like the nuggets showed out.
Imagine how much hate MJ would get if he played in this social media era
If somebody punched a teammate in practice it would go viral.
Everyone made a big deal about the KD-Draymond situation but that’s child’s play compared to what Jordan did to Kerr
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not much lol
@@Terror832 Michael Thomas type beat
2022 Golden State Warriors Playoff Opponent SRS - 17.67
Nuggets - 2.16
Grizzlies - 5.37
Mavericks - 3.12
Celtics - 7.02
This would rank #11 all time and by far the Warrior dynasty's hardest championship. If they played the Suns (6.94) instead of the Mavs (3.12), it would've been 21.49 and ranked #3. 2021 Bucks playoff opponent SRS was 11.99, ranking #26.
Where are you getting these numbers bruh
Celtics swept the nets but had 2 game 7’s and barely made the finals
@@sus6936 Basketball Reference SRS stat
Considering ask the other warriors championships this century were relatively easy, that’s not that impressive
@@_________. the #11 hardest championship since 1984 isn't impressive?
I feel like this stat is kind of misleading. I mean the Heat essential reinvented them selves going to the finals and in Cleveland, LeBron didn’t play his hardest until the playoffs and this stat is based on regular season.
Its biased when it hurts brons career😂
Umm lebron has versed/won the least amount 50+ win teams in his career than any of the names emphasized in the video like shaq kobe mj dirk etc.. this stat shows how lebron never versed the hardest teams till the finals exactly like u said.
@@44anml226 Kobe fans always say the dumbest shit💀
@@NavyBluePersonGuy
Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 25-10 ), JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Lebron James ( 12-9 ).
Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 2-5 ), JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Lebron James ( 3-4 ).
Lebron has played in the Weak East for nearly his entire career.
Kobe and MJ didn"t have that luxury. In his First season in the West, Lebron didn"t even make the Playoffs.
@@allanhouston6759 you also forgot that lebron was injured his first season in the west and before he got injured he had the Lakers as a top 4 seed in the west
If anything this shows how underrated Dirk and Hakeem were
@A Character yea even Jason Terry outplayed Lebron
@A Character well, lebron PLUS AD shouldve swept jimmy and the Heat but still couldnt.
Dirk and Hakeem are rated just fine
@@gelorodriguez well, Kobe plus Shaq should've swept Iverson and the 76ers but still couldn't
They are hall of famers
When Jxmy's future son needs help with his math homework
Jxmy: "So look at this graph"
Watching this I have so much more respect for Kobe. People say he was carried by shaq but in the 01 playoffs dude drops like 45 and 10 whil posterizing Tim Duncan and then like 48 and 15 on the kings
There are flaws to every stat but this one is full of them. And the thing is, some of them are easily fixable.
1) SRS by itself clearly doesn’t work as a metric. If you want to use something like this you need to have your own SRS adjusted upwards once you beat a team with higher SRS. When the Heat beat the bucks, their SRS should improve. How much it should improve should also take into account how easily or difficultly one team beats another team.
2) There needs to be some higher weighting towards the highest SRS team you won when you add up the SRS. I may have three easy rounds but one round where I beat the theoretically best team of all time. That ain’t an easy championship but would still land me around 15-20. It’s hard to weigh properly because it’s going to be arbitrary, but it needs to be captured.
3) My own SRS should matter. If I have SRS of 6 and I beat a team with SRS of 12, not only my SRS should be then adjusted upwards but my win should matter more than if my own SRS was 11 and I beat a team with 12. An easy fix for this is to use SRS ratios rather than absolute SRS.
4) Injuries. SRS needs to be adjusted for injuries during the playoffs. In theory last year’s Raptors beat the GSW who may have had a high SRS but had two of their star players injured during that match up.
There are many more flaws that I’m too lazy to talk about. But this metric is absolutely flawed. So much that I don’t think it can be safely used even just to give any sense of direction.
To give an example, if I had the greatest SRS of all time with a score of 82-0 and say an SRS of 15, I could sweep 4 equally worse teams with SRS of 6 each team and with everyone of these teams getting their players injured and this would be considered the toughest championship of all time.
You’ve essentially rendered this entire video useless and I’m so happy you did. The bubble doesn’t even apply to any of these regular season stats either. This path can’t be one of the all time easiest and it needs to be properly calculated based on the info you provided to determine where it actually stands based on the true SRS ratio. I think the bubble needs to affect that. Home court advantage is statistically the most important and beneficial advantage to have for an NBA team than any other sport and the lack thereof in the bubble should be reflected statistically to help support or deny his claim in the video. Jimmy should really consider deleting this video for providing misleading information and re-make one with proper calculations factoring everything
Thank you, this was literally common sense, and I was for the first time, appalled at how atrociously bad & beyond dumb Jimmy was with this video... like seriously fr, wtf...
@@navttv THANK YOU!! I literally couldn’t have said it any better & you took the words right out of my mouth. I can’t recall ever seeing Jimmy post something this had & being this blatantly dumb, but this is so bad that it actually makes me have to question his credibility... ‘lol.’
I was watching this with raised eyebrows and I’m so happy this comment was here after I was done. That and navs reply. The bubble happened months after a season was paused and every team entered the bubble fully rested outside the many norms that always happened. Teams that did poorly throughout the season given injuries could be completely different as they entered the bubble. Upsets happened and SRS should factor in how a teams SRS improves after an upset then progressively until they reach the finals. A really interesting thought to dwell on but it seems half-baked to make a video at this moment.
Why Dosent your comment have more likes wtf
Nevermind all that this just told me how underrated Hakeem is as a centre... Everyone says he is very good but has 2 of the hardest rings and back to back
I watched him those two years every game, the man could have picked 4 fans out of the stands and won he was so dominate.
Hakeem was a .... dream.... (no homo) nightmare....
@Vladimir Putin In 1995, MJ was rusty.
@Vladimir Putin With a MJ that played 14 games in total added the playoffs after a 2 year hiatus.
@@allanhouston6759 haha rusty casual
Mj average more ppg rpg apg spg during 95 playoff than 96 playoff
Scoring 55 in msg is rusty !!
He choke that orlando series
Jimmy: This stat has a lot of flaws
Also jimmy: Continues to base the entire video off of it
Literally.. I love jimmy but why base an entire video based off a skewed metric
@@recoxu8003 rip video ideas
All stats have flaws and never illustrate the full picture. As long as you're aware of the limitations then it's fine.
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@@johnmarc1986 he wasn't aware of the limitations because he made a conclusion based on the logically worst stat of any of his videos ever
"It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning's winning." -Dominic Toretto
the level of competition elevates the win. So it does matter. But a win is a win.
But don't say when you won by an inch that you won by a mile. If you know what im talking about
@@yomomshouse100 y’all stay hating on Lebron for no reason
He earned this championship it was no easy route
@@adamwilson2002 who brought up bron bruh
@@adamwilson2002 what i love lebron idiot. This chip is nothing compared to when he beat the warriors.
This is also assuming that players aren't taken out during the last mins of a game. For example, a team could be up by 20 to a shitty team and the coach pulls out their starting 5 and plays bench players. The game ends up being won by 10 or 8 then the SRS looks horrible. Or the other way around, a team starts fouling at the end usually giving up more points. To what would've been a closer game now is lost by 8 or 10 points.
yeah i like the video but the srs stat is kinda flawed, there's also injuries to take into consideration
@@matthewzhu3246 you also got to take into account the play in tournament that happened this. Year which affects a bunch plus corona
This is exactly what happened at game 6 of the finals. Lakers stopped playing hard defense on 4th quarter which allowed a 30-point lead to become a seemingly more respectable scoreline.
@@matthewzhu3246 To be fair he stated that the stat is flawed. But still over the course of a full season, how often is an instance like this happening? And if that team is blowing out others that often, then they’re likely the finals winner that’s being compared. So, while it’s a flaw in the statistic, it’s a very minute one.
Not to mention injuries or trades during the season. The blazers in the playoffs this year weren’t the regular season team and the rockets completely changed halfway through the season
Damn it's crazy how the 01 Lakers had the second hardest run and also went 16-1 in those playoffs. This shows what a great team they were.
15-1*
The stat is flawed
@@legoatjagoat4691 doesn’t matter 01 Lakers were still one of the most dominant teams of all time
@@zotanica you have to win 16 games moron 🤦♂️
1st round was best of 5
This is one of the most comprehensive and objective looks at NBA greatness I've ever seen.
no it is lmaoooo this shit is flawed asf
Not at all... it was the worst & dumbest thing I’ve ever seen him do ...and I’ve never had to say he did anything bad or dumb before
@@primetimeab3216 💯!! My comment above, too ^
@@BlakeAlexander12 literally the heat swept the 5 seed in the east almost and shouda swept the 1st seed in the damn league with the league mvp and defensive player and beat the 4th most favored team in the celtics convincingly ... wtf are these clowns talking about lmaoooooooo
@@primetimeab3216 Giannis got injured and he’s really the only reason the bucks win
No matter the difficulty or the numbers, the 2016 Finals were the sweetest for me personally. I’m glad I was able to watch it.
fr, the Cavs really won a ring against the best NBA team in basketball history
@@meyer2534 no
@@meyer2534 that bulls are better than 2016 warrior
@@unkown5586 cap, they are def the two best teams but in a best out of 7 the warriors would win against the bulls
Games 1-6 in that series were all blowouts.. Remember that
One reason this could be though is parity. Point differential will be lower if teams are better so maybe the more top heavy the league is, the more difficult the chip looks.
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You have a point. But if the league is top heavy, than that ultimately means that the chip probably is difficult... you know what i mean?
They did mention that SRS takes into account "strength schedule", but I don't necessarily know how that works. Could disprove your theory though
Lebron has never had to defeat three teams with 50-wins or two teams with 60-wins in any Playoff run.
JORDAN"s team accomplished this in 5 of his 6 Playoff runs.
pretty sure it's the other way around
Just remember that this doesn’t take into account what actually happened during the runs. For example the Cavs were going against a 73-9 team and down 3-1 are lower than a Lakers team who went up against only AI.
and don't forget the stimulus package that the NBA gave to the Cavs.
True but outside of the finals who did they face? 01 lakers comp > 16 Cavs comp in totality.
@@GodZanko1231 01 lakers comp? The 01 LAKERS? They had a stacked team. The 16 Cavs had 3 good players and maybe 2-3 good roleplayers but 01 Lakers were stacked af. I wouldn't say it was the comp but it was how they played as a team. I'll go have a look at the stats during their games in those playoffs.
Never forget they only won because of LeBrons dirty play on draymond in Game 5 changed the whole series. And this Title Lebron won because the Lakers complained to the league about foul calls. He soft idc what anyone says great player but he soft
Lebron James has never had to defeat three teams with 50-wins or two teams with 60-wins in any Playoff run.
JORDAN"s team accomplished this in 5 of his 6 Playoff runs.
Man.. Kobe and MJ eat adversity for breakfast 🥞 🍴
Legend stuff 🤷♂️
mj literally got bullied into quitting after 93 by the media. and kobe had 04 so what you saying ??
@@kalix975 no...media played a role, but it was moreso his father's death. Kobe in 04 was targeted by the arguably best defense in history as a young buck (before his mamba days). Regardless, those two are known as the biggest killers in nba history for the reason, with one being considered by most to be the GOAT lmao
@@kalix975 ahh yes... the type of person to find literally anything to make someone look bad. Nice 👍
@@kalix975 his dad literally died
Just rewatched the “when a man becomes a legend” vid on Kobe before this and realized Kobe also has 5 of the 16 most difficult championship runs based on SRS. He really was the man
"KD was skinny, Russ can't shoot" is still the funniest thing I've read all week
Edit: now that I got y'all likes, MJ is the goat
For real like yea kd is skinny but yet he still torches your team for 50.... lmao people just hate
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I read as “kd can’t shoot and Russ is skinny” lmaoo 💀
@Patrick Posadas why can’t kd bulk up damn crazy thing is he weight 240 how
Jmxy: "I crunched the numbers"
Man used one stat he didn't calculate
I was thinking that
@@5starwesley he crunched the srs for the last 4 seasons so....
He added teams SRS
Missing one key factor: SRS of champion vs competition on average.
Sure, beating a 5 SRS team in every round adds up to a monster title run... unless the team that won posted an SRS of 12. That in fact would be a relatively easy title run although the total SRS would be 20. Alternatively, a 2 SRS team beating a 5 SRS team in every round would be amazing. In every round you beat a team that was statistically better than you.
True, this is a big factor missing
I disagree ths level of competion they had to beat was just as hard in the end of the day because to shit teams like the 2020knicks face of against the 2020 chichago bulls and the knicks beat them in the finals and they beat teams like the hornets and etc even tho Knicks have a lower have SRS rating the competion was thecnically harder relative to the Knicks but was there championship really the hardest? Which it kinda is but I'd say that it is the most balanced championship competion
If you factor that in, the 2011 Mavericks probably had the most impressive championship of all time
@@connorstaggs1691 That was a great team that people don't give credit to because it's just a reason to bash LeBron. It's like people have forgotten the 2004 Finals already lol. Kobe got swept, but who cares? Dirk absolutely destroyed Bosh in the Finals but who cares? One giant spotlight on a LeBron James who was trying to NOT take over Wade's team. Then what happened? Wade said "bruh this IS your team" and 2012 LeBron happened.
@@Xzei Because dirk was the only player of that caliber on the mavericks, when you have 1 superstar and roleplayers beating 2 superstars, plus some all stars, it's super impressive.
This graphic shows how underrated Kobe is
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he played alongside Shaq for the first three, thus lowering their value
the most valuable ring for a team led by one clear superstar in recent memory with all factors applied are:
Lebron ‘16
Dirk ‘11
Kobe ‘10
Hakeem ‘94
Duncan ‘03
Isaiah Thomas ‘89
Shaq was amazing too I'm mean it is impossible to ignore how dominant he really was... 33pts 17rebs per... those two together the best combo i've seen, and I'm an MJ fan but Pippen was no where near the same planet as Shaq was lets get real...
@@omb3d80 You're really doing that ?! So you're not gonna give credit to Kyrie for the 2016 chip ?!! Come on !! Not only did he have Kyrie, but also had Love !! Dirk had no one in their prime, Kobe had Gasol ..who I would take over Love, but in terms of production, let's not forget that Love averaged 19 and 12 in MIN..and a good 17 and 10 in CLE ..as a #3 guy ..Gasol had similar number as the #2 option !! ..Hakeem and Duncan didn't have players at a star level (yet) ..and Isiah ..my god !!! He had Dumars (All-Defensive 1st team, 6x all star), Rodman (you know..the one that everyone keeps saying he's the best defensive player ever and helped Jordan win on a stacked team ...well, he was 10x better as a Pistons), Aguirre (3x all-star) !!...Come on !
I think it more shows how incredible Shaq was
Just so you notice.....
AD's Pelicans were better than Cavaliers.
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that was completely busted, the cavs would have easily defeated the pels, although the cavs were probably inevitably going to lose the championship they for sure were better than the pels
@@andersonpark6965 Nah the Pelicans were definitely better ngl.
AD, Cousins and Jrue had a nice team. Rondo was also on that team
@Nahbro Bro yeah I was thinking the same shit! This stuff isn’t reliable also depends on who was on they A game like any other season, who was injured, prime or out of prime players playing at the time. Also maybe scores are a lot lower now cause teams are getting more competitive?
I mean, coming back from a 3-1 is realistically the hardest championship to win. But damn that Kobe Shaq 3-peat finals were all pre damn difficult
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It’s the whole path and the teams played not how many games
It’s not about that one series besides that series the path wasn’t that difficult
@@DeeSkiii__ Fr, the east was laughable in 2016.
1995 run as well
Even if a team's SRS score is a reliable indicator of how good that team is, you can't measure the difficulty of a path to finals victory just by adding up the SRS scores of the four teams that were defeated on that path. Consider: it would be a LOT harder to beat one team with an SRS score of 24 and three teams with SRS scores of zero, than it would be to beat four teams each with SRS scores of 6. But both "paths" add up to 24.
Soon all teams will rest their superstars during the season just to have a bad record and win the hardest chips of all time.
@@jared._.5176 wouldn't that strategy effectively make their championship statistically easier? it would becomethem beating a bunch of "average" record teams to a final rather than beating teams with good records which is what boosts the SRS rating.
Yeah but facing teams with an SRS score of 6 in your paths to the finals make that finals run harder than just facing one rlly good team in my opinion.
Lmao sounds like salt
Also he should also take into account the SRS of the team that won. Its not the same winning a championship with a team that has an SRS of 15 than winning with one that has 3 even if you have the same path. And this is not seen in the metric.
I understand it’s one of the easiest paths to the finals based on opponents but I don’t think you can fault them because the other good playoff teams like the the clippers and the bucks lost to those weaker opponents while the lakers sustained all the way.
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Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Kobe Bryant ( 2-5 ), Lebron James ( 3-4 ).
Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Kobe Bryant ( 25-10 ), Lebron James ( 12-9 ).
Lebron has played in the weak East throughout his career.
MJ and Kobe didn"t have that luxury.
So many people wanted the Heat to win but Lebron and AD are a amazing dynamic duo. Also Jimmy thank you for the great content.
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@@pppchiv4696 what is that
The people you are talking about didn't want the heat because they like miami or south beach or jimmy
They just hate lebron and they don't want him to win
They were warriors fans then became clippers then blazers rockets nuggets and finally heat
@@Mahdi_Amine i can't talk for everyone but i wanted the heat to win because they were underdogs that no one expected to reach there
Ban Adebao - Missed 2 games.
Goran Dragic - Missed 4 games.
Rookie Tyler Herro ( age 20 ).
Jimmy Butler - Top 10.
Anthony Davis - Top 5.
Lebron James - Top 5.
Rajon Rondo.
Still needed 6 games to beat the Miami Heat.
For me i think 2011 Mavs has the toughest tittle run.. Beating Roy aldridge batum kobe pau artest bynum durant westbrook harden wade bosh and lebron all in their prime.
Facts this one is up there
They were not in their Prime.
2011 OKC:
James Harden ( age 21 ),
Russell Westbrook ( age 22 ),
2011 Lakers:
Kobe Bryant ( age 32 ),
2011 Blazers:
Post-injuries Brandon Roy.
And the Mavs were missing their second best players (Caron Butler) for the entire playoffs...
@@allanhouston6759 true not in their prime but still really difficult teams
@@allanhouston6759 sorry to include all of them in one sentence, I only meant Bosh Wade, and Lebron on their prime.. but even so .. a young harden and Westbrook is still hard to guard and Kobe was still on prime even at 32.. they went back to back before that season and they're hungry for a 3peat. Roy is still effective even he has those injuries..they had prime Wesley Mathews and Gerald Wallace too.
I appreciate how you keep things as objective as possible and give credit where it's due. It's very refreshing to see people like you speaking on sports as opposed to mainstream sports media that's extremely and outwardly biased on their positions.
you mean objective?
@@Tenchi707 oops yeah thx for the correction
Lebron Dominates the East for like 10 straight years
"The west is a different beast! He had a cakewalk"
*Lebron wins a ring in only his 2nd year in the West( first year healthy)*
"This was the easiest path to a ring, it deserves an asterisk!"
Lmao this isn't a directed at Jxmy but it's hilarious how people just keep pushing the goal post back further when it comes to Lebron
It’s a different rule every year
Every championship and finals appearance is built different
@@Pingusdingus4576 more like every day
Let’s be fair the west this year was not the same as previous years. Yes LeBron played amazing and deserved his ring, but we can all admit this was not the same west.
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One day jxmy gonna say “until next time” but there won’t be a next time...
Shit...
Oh no
Dont do that bro..
Man you are good at chopping onions
Rip
“A ring is a ring”-jxmyhighroller
a chair is still a chair
@@kotonbads a throne is different from a chair, it is only fit for a king
“Not every championship is built the same”-JxmyHighroller
@Antoine Moore Then Lebron fans need to stop overestimating the 2016 title.
No its not
"Rarely that the best 2 teams ever met in the finals" This statement helps Kobe's case in the goat debate tremendously imo. Coz 2 out the 3 championship run he had with Shaq, Kobe was arguably the MVP against the best overall team they faced in the playoffs. Based on their SRS all the teams they faced in the Western Conference Finals were far better than who they faced in the NBA finals. No one in their right mind would argue that the Pacers, Sixers and Nets were a better team than the TrailBlazers, Spurs and Kings in those particular years. Plus Shaq having the much more favorable match ups against guys like a 33 yr old Rick Smits, 34 yr old Mutombo and a role player in Jason Collins favored him to put up bigger numbers which secured him as the 3x FMVP during those runs, while Kobe were matched up against Miller, Iverson and Kidd. The average fans wont even look at these details, and jump in that "Shaq carried Kobe" bandwagon. This disrespect need to stop!
Kobe isn't the GOAT but hes easily 2nd best SG all time, I get your point though.
Stop Kobe doesn’t win those championships without Shaq. Shaq does without kobe
@@shelovinthecrew No fucking shot Shaq was winning those championships alone, I'm not saying either one was better but Shaq does not win those alone. They were historically some really hard championships
@@shelovinthecrew LMFAOOO You are the biggest casual i've ever seen. Shaq litterly fouled out on an elimination game where KOBE carried the game. How many rings did kobe win after shaq? 2. How many did shaq win after kobe? 1 with Dwade. Shaq at best wins 1 out of 3 of those rings and thats pushing it super hard considering how his runs in orlando went.
@@kouthao6156 you dont know basketball mate lmaoooooo
It was so easy that the team, who almost everyone thought would win choked on a 3-1 lead. Nature of being a fan - a fanatic.
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Context tho.
2020 Nba Finals.
Miami Heat:
Rookie Tyler Herro ( age 20 ),
Jimmy Butler - Top 10.
Bam Adebao - Missed 2 games.
Goran Dragic - Missed 4 games.
Lakers:
Anthony Davis - Top 5.
Lebron James - Top 5.
Dwight Howard.
Rajon Rondo.
Still needed 6 games to beat the Miami Heat.
@@allanhouston6759 the heat are have more depth than the Lakers, Lakers really only have 1 or 2 bench players to rely on, the rest were dogshit in the restart
@@allanhouston6759 Heat : Always has 5+ guys scoring 10+
Lakers : Averaged 3+ guys scoring 10+ a game.
So basically Kobe’s titles are the most meaningful. Got it.
we already knew this
People’s love to disrespect Kobe and say he isn’t a top 5 player but can’t back it up
And shaq’s
I don’t take people serious who say Lebron is Better than Kobe. I’m a huge Lebron fan but nah
Bill russell and KDs rings are meaningless
Can’t judge a playoff run off of regular season stats (SRS), teams can perform better or worse once you get to the playoffs i.e 2007 Mavs and 1999 Knicks
Then why are Lebron fans bragging about Lebron beating a 73-game winning team in the regular season ? ?
@@allanhouston6759 because he came back 3-1
@@allanhouston6759 OP didn't even mention lebron yet you're talking about him.
@@allanhouston6759 because that was one of the best teams in history
yup like the 2020 heat.
I’m gonna be honest I can’t watch someone’s vids all day when a person can admit he was wrong previously. Props to u. I subbed
This makes me appreciate what Kobe achieved just a little more. RIP Mamba.
yes man.. finally some respect on kobe :(
@@aarontan2197 Always respected his greatness. This just offered some additional context :)
Top 3 idc. Only behind MJ and KAJ in my book.
@@josuealvarez665 ong
Those first three titles were difficult, but they were Shaq's first and foremost, if we're pinning it to one person. The difficulty of those rings does not enhance Kobe's legacy.
Jxmy : Calls 2020 Champions Easy.
Also Jxmy : 3 Days Before Didn’t Care about LeBron Winning.
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By stats it’s easy
@@Tunawitmayo 4 rings
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I feel like the chart should have just shown the difficulty of the best team that the championship team had to face. Cause technically the hardest team that they beat kind of shows how good the team actually was more than the difficulty of the collection of teams that they beat.
LeBron James: "That one right there made me the best player of all time."
Okay, bro.
When the asterisk in the video is wrong and you actually said the right fact
In case if you dont know what im talking about, he said the 2001 lakers went 15-1, while the asterisk said 16-1. The lakers actually did go 15-1 in the playoffs that year, as first round series were best 3 of 5 until 2003
2020 Nba Finals.
Miami Heat:
Rookie Tyler Herro ( age 20 ).
Bam Adebao was injured and missed 2 games.
Goran Dragic was injured and missed 4 games.
Jimmy Butler- Top 10.
Lakers:
Anthony Davis - Top 5.
Lebron James - Top 5.
Dwight Howard,
Rajon Rondo.
*Still neeeded 6 games to beat the Miami Heat*
I get the point jimmy is tryna make but points team win by. Says nothing. Cuz this year Bucks had one of the highest but choked in the playoffs
@@reindolffokuo8516 that's part of the point they be great teams losing that's wat make it impressive
@@allanhouston6759 this is the same for the rings of the warriors, love and irving injuried and so on...
Nice video my dude but I have a few things to add when it comes to using SRS.
SRS is more of a predictive system that allows you to predict wins better. It doesn't really work as a system to understand past accomplishments.
This is due to the inherent bias in the system to a number of things such as:
- preferring blowouts
- underrating defensive teams
- weighing pointless games at the end of the regular season equally to the finals
This is a great stat and all, but does this factor in injuries to teams for and against teams that won championships?
Example: Warriors played all injured starters in their 2015 championship run, but their championship appears to be ranked in the middle of the chart. To me, this doesn't seem right, it should be towards the very bottom.
thats what i was wondering he did mention variables or something and showed kyrie after he got injured
It doesn’t and I don’t think Jimmy really thought about that which is what sours the video for me.
Good point. That would make this year’s Lakers title even easier interestingly enough
Round 1 - Lillard dislocates his finger and injures his knee. Zach Collins was also out
Round 2 - Westbrook comes off a Quad injury and Danuel House gets suspended for non basketball related reasons
Conference Finals - Jamal Murray plays through injury in game 5
Finals - Bam and Dragic both go down midway through game 1. Bam doesn’t come back til game 4 and Dragic until game 6.
@@trulyinfamous16 He literally mentions that this statistic doesnt account for injuries and other variables in the video lmao
Probably would have to create a whole new equation, win/loss +/- with or without. It'd be a nightmare to figure out and maybe it wouldn't even change the outcome as much
the 2021 bucks had the 26th hardest championship with a combined SRS of 11.99, 2022 warriors would have the 11th hardest road to a championship, the 2023 nuggets had the easiest path to a championship since 1984 with a combined SRS of 2.16
When he loses he is weak,when he wins his opponents are week.
You're a delusional Bron Stan if you cant see the fact that a majority of teams after the 3 months of no NBA games were a former shell of themselves in the bubble; the lakers had a cake walk series lol.
@@RuskiVodkaaaa is it brons fault thet the strongest teams became weak in the bubble no cause he aint god and its the teams fault if theyre best player is washed during the bubble not brons not the nba
When he loses he has no help, when he wins *he* wins
@@RuskiVodkaaaa you fool... Blazers were bad in regular season but we all know how good they were at the bubble... We all saw that bucks were easily the best team in the league with the highest srs but we saw the heats clamping gainnis... This stat is flawed.. clippers were clearly the better team still blew a 3-1 lead... Stop hating and start appreciating
@@MineShackle when he drops 50 a stat padder.. when he drops 20 he's washed... When blazers beat him in the 1st game.. blazers in 5.. but when he beat them.. blazers had a below 500 record... Just shut up
A ring is a ring. Of course we can compare the difficulty of attaining different rings, this is sports, we compare everything. But the idea of an asterisk is absolutely absurd.
Meh
The only one I might consider is KD. An MVP joining a 67 then 73 win team is kinda sus, but even so I mean props to the man he got his rings that he wasn’t gonna get at OKC. All the rest I think even if some were easy are fair.
@CheeseBall sounds good cheeseball thanks for the pointless comment :)
Did you stop and consider that an asterisks isnt necessarily a negative thing? The bubble was a different situation that no NBA player has ever seen before. The asterisks doesn't have anything to do with the difficulty of the championship though in that case. It's just a different circumstance that should be noted. Thats all folks
@CheeseBall another pointless comment...are you adding anything here or are you just being stupid for your own sake?
"Ring is still a Ring" I agree...BUT !......It's a lot sweeter when it's super hard.
You prove team greatness.
Kobe and Shaq's Lakers
Jordan's and Pippens Bulls
Hakeem the dream
the most underrated big man and thank God you got people like shaq showing him love
It gives a different prospective, once again awesome video bro.. all LOVE !!
you don’t prove dominance though
@@maxiqums1549 Dominance is overrated anyways. HAHAHAH
Perseverance proves is a lot more dominantce that we think. Especially mentaly.
The cavs comeback against golden state si going to be a lot more memorable than any other moment in lebron's career. Most people will shape his greatness from that.
Just like Jordan's 2 three-peats
Or Magic's win over Larry bird's Celtics.
Or KG's,paul pierce,rondo,ray allen. WIn over KObe's lakers.
And KObe Coming BAck from that.
@@jonathanchatziliadis2019 fax I prefer the gritty and grind wins the straight blowouts and dominance
there's nothing remotely hard about Jordan's championship runs....
@@nineseven5252 JORDAN"s Bulls defeated SEVEN 60+win teams ( a Record for a dynasty team in a decade ) and 20 teams that had between 50-59 wins.
*JORDAN was guarded by Defensive Player of the Year players in the Playoffs several times*
Dennis Rodman - 2x DPOY.
Sidney Moncrief- 2x DPOY,
Alvin Robertson - 1x DPOY,
Gary Payton - 1x DPOY.
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i disagree with the rating system, sorry. What if a team’s rating is 20, and they go against tram who’s rating is 10? it makes the score jump up even tho they had a much better team. Which is why making it to the finals with a team with 0.6 rating is an incredible feat, even if they had a weaker conference.
The very first stat shows stupid this stat is. The heat beat two of those top teams but this stat still thinks we are worse.
the 2018 cavs being worse than the pelicans solely because they had to trade people in the regular season, lmaooo
@@alonedownthere47 cavs were still as then but bron took them to the finals
Let's be honest, The Heat just wasn't the right matchup for the Lakers. Clippers and the Bucks have a better chance of winning against the Lakers. It just so happens, the Heat had the number of the Bucks first and Denver to the Clips.
I’m sorry but I think the Heat are a worse team than the bucks and Celtics, if this was a normal playoffs the heat wouldn’t have got passed the 2nd round
@@chanceadams7043 you sound like an idiot. First off, we beat the bucks in 5, no debate who’s better. Second off, I would understand this point if there was a game 7 and the fans were extremely intense, but there never was. Each team would have had 3 home games after game 6. You are so dumb.
Numbers don’t tell everything. If you torture numbers enough they will confess to anything. And I agree with you.
@Wde399 ok then leave numbers aside would you like to argue that the nuggets or the heat where better then any of the teams that kobe and shaq faced? In 2001 for example the spurs?
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Man... This metric is not good at all when measuring how easy or hard it was to get a ring, because you haven't included the SRS of the HOME TEAM. For example, the Lakers in 2001 might have had a lot of really good opponents, which made them near the top of the list, but they themselves also might have had an absurdly high SRS, and that isn't taken into account. Would love to see a video where you add up all the opposing teams' SRS's, but also subtract from that 4x the home teams' SRS. It would look something like this:
Warriors 2017 Championship Run:
-0.23 13.77
+4.00 -5.79 (Warriors' SRS That Year)
+7.13 -5.79
+2.87 -5.79
=13.77 =-3.6
See, now the Warriors 2017 run looks like a piece of cake, because when you subtract their own teams' SRS from each of their playoff series, it adds (subtracts) to -3.6. Jxmy please make another video as a replacement of this one where you use this stat, because it really is a much better indicator of how hard a run was. Like so Jxmy can see
EXACTLY
No, not at all. It doesnt need to take the team into account because its measuring the competition.
@@MineShackle Well, if the 1st seed played against a team with an SRS of 5, and the 30th seed played against the exact same team, would the competition be the same? No, because the 30th seed is much worse. It would be a much harder path to the finals for that 30th seed than the 1st seed because their own SRS is much lower than the 1st seed.
@@sephyy.c5360 yes....but that hasnt happened, except once, Hakeem's rockets. 2001 Lakers were an all time great team that beat all time great teams in the playoffs thus still making it one of the most difficult runs in NBA history. It doesnt negate the competition being elite. You're speaking on a hypothetical that has and will never happened
FRRRR, jxmy is a fairly smart guy I thought he would of realised this
I think there’s some logical fallacy on your statement. A team facing teams with lower SRS also means that the team was so dominant in the regular season. So having a easy way through a ring can mean being so dominant in the regular season.
Yep! That is a serious problem with that stat, although he kind of touched on it when he talked about the 80s and how dominate some of the teams were. This stat heavily favors a more balanced league. Part of the reason why the west teams chips look so good is the west was well balanced for a number of years. East was extremely top heavy.
Those stats are very weird, because it doesn‘t talk about injurys or other circum stances auch as Players getting better in the Playoffs. I dont think there is a way to measure how “Hard“ a Championchip was.
It's not meant to, and even then it's a pretty accurate chart
It gives something relatively close though
I feel the same. There’s a reason why expectations are so different for the playoffs. How is your mental game gonna be, how is the coaching gonna adjust. Lineups change, it’s a different environment, which is often why the two “#1” seeds hardly meet, aside from injury. Like this year the Bucks were a better team than the Heat, but not in playoff form.
@@gadgets__ yea while talent wise the road to this years chip is easy. But it doesn’t account for the mental toll of being stuck in one place and not being able to leave. Players getting depressed from their environment. Not being able to see family. Etc.
It’s a pretty baseless stat. Using this stat’s logic, the 2017 Jazz were two times tougher than the 2017 Cavs.
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Regardless of how difficult a championship was based on these stats a ring is a ring and it will always be an incredible accomplishment that you can never discredit
Disagree. It's easily discredited
Yup only the haters discredit it lmao
Nobody is discrediting nothing is Just análisis bro
This stat implies that regular season teams perform the same in the playoffs. Bucks this year would've had a higher SRS but the Heat were clearly the better team
I think most of the people saying this was the hardest ship to win refer to the bubble and not the teams faced.
The whole environment made this championship so hard to win.
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the bubble shouldnt be difficult. it shows how much of a pure basketball player you really are. lol.
It makes them better what you mean you don’t get the pressure from the fans
@@ginorich159 yes but that is why the bubble is more difficult. Everyone in the nba is good, so when. You remove pressure , people who are normally seen as decent or bad players can shine. This can explain why Warren , Herro, Booker, and others were probably better than they would be in a regular environment.
@@kvereensr1 the bubble shouldn't be more difficult. play the game of basketball the way you know how to play. thats what they should do
This video gave me an even bigger respect for Kobe’s greatness #MambaForever and Hakeem The Dream
Shaq was the best player on that 3 peat team... he got no credit for them tho...
Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 25-10 ), JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Lebron James ( 12-9 ).
Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 2-5 ), JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Lebron James ( 3-4 ).
This video was trash- first time I’ve ever had to say that
Hakeem with 2 top 10 runs with an older glide for only 1 year as his best teammate.
And some people really say that Mike had it easy in the 90's. He was just too dominant and Bulls worked good together
What are you talking about? Did you even watch MJ play? This is what I don't like about stats; they never reflect the actual game play. How many HOF's did MJ have on his teams in total? 2! One was a transfer and the other was home grown. The stats doesn't show this!
The SRS is boosted because of the expansion teams
expansion teams buddy, MJ had many of the easiest rings ever. 6 new teams were added between 1988 and 1995 which boosted the teams SRS as the new teams were bad and boosted the winrates of existing teams
Looking at this make it even crazier how Iverson lead his squad to that win in 2001.
I wish he won a ring 😭 read my username
Pulled a Lebron before Lebron, and Hakeem after 1994 Hakeem, always respect to AI.
A win because of Lue.... also because Lakers were rusty. Also in overtime
Iverson had the reigning DPOY, 6MOY and COTY on his side. Don't act like he was the only one who carried all the load.
@nKosi Ama Kosi But the term "carry" is a very strong word. If a player carries a team, he must carry them both on offense and defense. We all know, even he had high SPG averages, Iverson was an average perimeter defender. Plus, he was coached by one the best coaches of all time.
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It's no surprise Kobe had the toughest championship runs. I remember one year every round the Lakers faced a 50+ win team.
*Shaq and Kobe.
2000-2001 Lakers were probably my all-time favorite single season team to watch. Greatest playoff run I've ever seen. Kobe and Shaq as a dynamic duo in that playoff run especially, I believe reached the absolute pinnacle that you can reach as 2 all-time greats in or near the prime of there ability could be able to accomplish together. They literally were an overtime loss to that year's MVP Iverson and the overachieving scrappy Sixers in game 1 of the Finals, from being the only team ever to go undefeated in the playoffs.
They had a mediocre regular season but historical postseason. the 01 lakers is a reminder as to why the '16 warriors were overrated- regular season record is a poor metric as to a team's quality
@york i think so too, but Espn is cunts
@@vulcanraven9701 I get what your saying but I thought the 00-01 Lakers had an underachieving but overall pretty good (57 wins) regular season.
@@Riles3152 it is a solid record. But yeah regular season records don't say a lot about a team- as the 2001 playoffs proved
@@vulcanraven9701 that was kind of a tumultuous regular season for that Laker team coming off of their first championship. That’s when the Kobe and Shaq tension began to get public and became a season long talking point for the media. I Just think they kind of coasted through the regular season and near the end they went on an 8 game win streak to end the season and it carried over into the historic playoff run. Loved that team. Even with all the drama that was going on in the regular season it was such a fun year and I cherished every second of that run.
Mj is the Goat image if he didn't retire in his prime he would probably have 1 or 2 more chips and still average 30 ppg
Stop the cap
Not likely since the Rockets in those seasons he was gone were really good.
Edit: it was either the Rockets or another team that I could be forgetting.
But he did retire. Long balls count for three. Mid range counts for 2 and “ifs” don’t count at all.
@@grega3611 lol. I'm gonna use that line one of these days.
Can't really argue agaisnt a scenario that doesn't exist
This doesn’t even account injuries tho
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Dam you can't spell lmao
I know this video sucks lmao
I would literally just focus on school if JxH would be my teacher.
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Also I was thinking could there be another way to total the SRS?
Since a 0.59 in the finals might make it seem like it's a cakewalk for the opposing team
but that 0.59 team also "defeated Indiana 1.18, swept top seeded Toronto 7.29 and eliminated Boston 3.23 in 7 games"
With this factoring everything in mind, it'll be nice to see a diff chart.