Using Numbers to Find the 75 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time
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He the only nigga ik who uses charts to show what another chart is showing
The amount of effort that goes into these videos is astonishing!
I am so unpretty 😭 When I go to the bank, they turn the cameras off. At least I am a big star on TH-cam. So don't feel too bad for me, dear iam
ESPN needs to hire this legend asap
The best sport TH-camr there is on TH-cam
Forreal! Feel like im @ a Ted-Talk.
Yeah well he does have nearly 2 million subscribers
jimmy needs a podcast. bro could talk about anything and i’m tuning in
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I 100% agree
But then we wouldn't see his beautiful chart
agreed
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Jokic's recalculated score, just after Denver won the title:
1 championship = +2 points
1 finals MVP = +10.5 points
2 MVPs (previously had 1) + 7.5 points (for a total of 18 points)
6.64 assists per game = +1 point (since Lillard's average is now 6.70)
WS/48: .2474 = +17 points
PER: 27.7 = +19 points
Shot making = ??
Impact and influence = ??
This gives him a total of 67.5, putting him in 13th overall
If you give him a few points for shot making and impact/influence, then he could be as high as 10th overall.
He would also gain 10+ points if we used total rebound percentage (TRB%) instead of total rebounds (a lot of the top rebounders played in an era where pace was much higher and shooting percentages were much lower, so there were waaaaay more rebounds to go around)...Jokic ranks 13th all-time in TRB% (and only behind Moses Malone, Dwight Howard and Joel Embiid amongst players on the top 110 list) since they began tracking it in 1970. He ranks ahead of Wes Unseld (5th highest RPG all-time) in TRB% -- who played all but 2 seasons after 1970.
Using this criteria, he might gain 10-15 points, which would easily put him in the top 10 (according to this criteria)
Jokic fans are disgusting and pathetic holy shit😭😭😭
He’s not even top 30 Argus
Walton over Jokic
I have jokic at 25~ rn but this just shows how good he is already at 28
His influence is actually already extreme. Look at the amount of look-a-likes like Shengun, and teams building around that model.
Jokic now PER and WS/48 both 20pts. Also at 6.9 apg adds +5 to the total of 76.5 for the 10th spot all-time
Shot making and impact and influence shouldn't be categories. Those are completely subjective and its just his opinion.
Jimmy's graphs just keep getting bigger and bigger lol
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And better and better
The Jimmyverse is expanding real quick
while getting worse and worse
That's not a graph dummy, it's a table🤦♂️
- Michael Jordan places 13 in shot making.
MJ: “I took that personally..”
I am sure Jordan is pissed, but if I were Bernard King, Rick Barry, Jerry West and IT(Detroit) , being left off the list, behind a guy like TMAC who can't make enough shots to get out of the first round, would not make me happy.
Even I knew MJ was the Goat. The stats don't lie. I will forever live in his shadow.
defensive teams.. "shot making" "influence"
excuses to buff kobe's numbers.. rofl.
shot making isn't involved in shooting stats? clutch stats?
defensive teams aren't complete BS?
influence?! that's complete bias...
I kinda felt like he made that part of the stat just to give Kobe extra points
Kawhi over LeBron….😂😂
The fact that Derrick Rose is on this list just goes to show how good he really was in his prime (prime of his career*)
its just too bad that his career is ruined by injuries, one of the greatest "WHAT IF's" in NBA history, I'm just happy as a basketball fan that he's still in the NBA and doing a great job as a bench player 🤘
Derrick got hurt before his prime
Bro he was that good BEFORE his prime imagine his prime without injury
But then again I got Luka in this list at 42 💀
I said if once and I’ll say it again. Rose was never in his prime.
Bird has to be in that influence and impact section. Him and Magic saved basketball and made it extremely popular. They set up the globalization that Jordan brought to the sport. Basketball wouldn’t have taken off the way it did in the 90s without Bird and Johnson. Bird is also hugely important because he got the white audience into basketball
Absolutely right....
Also Kareem lol… Like that man and Wilt had the rules changed up on em so hard man damn
@@letitswissarmy NOPE ONLY WILT. JABBAR NEVER CHANGE RULES.
100 percent
I was thinking that when I watched it. Bird saved the NBA with Johnson and was the first man to successfully use the 3-point line
Appreciate the video man, great to see this type of breakdown!
Nonstop with no replies? love ur vids btw, also nice heart from jimmy
@@SLVYER ikr gotta reply to nonstop
Dude this is an amazing crossover, Nonstop Jody lol
@@genericstaticshock705 Jody?
Do you guys remember his video about George Marcus, the greatest basketball player ever, and there's a lot of videos that seem to be just missing from his channel??? What happened to them??
I'm surprised Wilt isn't higher on the "Impact and Influence" list. He caused more NBA rule changes than any other player in history. They had to literally change the game so he wouldn't be so dominant! This is probably just my personal bias though...I always feel Wilt gets far too little respect in these debates.
Naw they really did tho
A lot of 60s players won’t get their due here. All defensive teams didn’t exist until after their time, and Russell and Wilt are two of the best defenders ever. Defense seems undervalued on this list, at least to me. FMVP is another one. He gave bill the one spot, but wilt would have another FMVP too, which would give him even more points. Crazy they’re both top 5 even without these shoe-in total point boosters
Wilt, Mike, Steph.
@@ZWill07 even Dirk and Manu
I totally agree
Jxmy in high school: When will I ever use math after school?
Jxmy now: *Using numbers to find the 75 greatest NBA players of All-time*
Except that he uses the most usable in math... statistics
Stats are different than Radicals and Quantum Mechanics
@@ry_an. yeah but I don't get your point.
@@ry_an. nobody said he was using quantum mechanics bro😭. he just said “school”
@@dalanlarson6334 I’m implying that stats are a more useful subject matter relating to real world stuff taught in school that what I was taught in math which was quantum mechanics.
Jimmy should revisit this metric every few years to see active players development!!!
Jokić's career PER is now 27.7, in the playoffs 29.1
@@markomarkovic5729this list is created 2 years ago. Why you crying about the 29+ PER of jokic, just wait for the next calculation
Being critical of the “eye test” and showing Skip & Shannon is hilarious.
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@@showtimereek5603 this shit had me BUGGIN as soon as I read it 😂
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All of Jimmys comments be like : “whenever Jimmy uploads its a great day”. And they are all true
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But how do u know his names jimmy? Could be jommy or jemmy
Facts, dude makes it a good day when he uploads
Whenever Jimmy uploads it's a great day
@@brendanz he said it
The only thing I wish Jimmy held higher in scoring is DPOY. I’d be curious to see how much generational defensive talents move up the ranks w just a few awards ( Hakeem, Giannis, etc )
Exactly, Dwight Howard definitely deserves top 75 or 60
i mean the thing is ben wallace has the most dpoys but isnt in the hof... in the overall picture they dont matter as much
@@drain5447 a quick google search shows that he is
@@drain5447
They should
Left out steals and blocks. Numbers don’t lie, but you can create misinformation by hiding the numbers.
i come back to this video a lot, not because of how hard u definitely worked on this, but more about how humble you are about your list considering the amount of work put in. the ability to admit that there are many flaws in a project you probably put weeks if not a month into is something to be appreciated. thank u jxmy
Epic levels of glazing.
That "without a doubt" line when talking about Luka's skill gave me chills. I've never been so excited for the future of an NBA player
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Watching luka play reminded me why I fell in love with basketball as a kid. Im 34 now, and he's bringing the excitement I had as a kid back.
That’s the thing is that there’s a lot of fans who discredit just how good of a player is because he doesn’t have a 40 inch vertical. You ask people would they rather have Ja Morant or Luka and everyone with an IQ in the double digits or higher will say Luka, because skills > athleticism
It's actually Giannis but okay racist.
@harvey dent that takes no skill at all
Jimmy is the MJ of the youtube NBA content creators, the one true goat at his craft. 🐐🐐🐐
Can we just appreciate how this dude took the time to gather all this data just to make a video for us?
Thanks for the vid Jxmy!
Bird should be higher in the shot-making category. Arguably the greatest clutch shooter in the history of the game. Made many game-winning last-second shots, even when the defense knew they were coming. Should also be part of the "Impact and Influence" rankings, since he and Magic re-ignited interest in a dying league.
The shotmaking and impact lists are the two most flawed and unsurprisingly they are the two subjective categories.
@@scottb3034 yeah mj 13 on shot making and kareem not even on the list lol
this is Jimmy's channel bruh if you gonna make that claim you need at least 7 graphs to back it up
Ray Allen has entered the chat
@@ViniciusJunior17shot making has nothing to do making shots.
Yeah Allen was an all timer as far as the 3 ball goes and had a nice touch. But shot making has to do with manufacturing shots - when there seem to be none - and making them… plenty of players are great at making shots by picking and choosing their spots.
We talking about 3 seconds to go, the entire team is choking, the defense has collapsed on your guy and there hands all over the place…
3, 2,…
Larry Legend got to be #1 and Kobe #2
I don't think we say this enough: Thank You, Jimmy.
I agree
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For the All-NBA selection, the only two active players I could see beating Lebron's count are Luca Doncic (2 so far in 3 years of NBA and only 22 years old today) or Giannis Antetokounmpo (5 so far in 8 seasons and about to be 27 years old). Both have won their selections consecutively and are both currently active streaks.
Yeah I was guessing Luka too.
Those two are the only ones I see doing it
Lebron still goin he'll end up w 19 or 20 they aint reaching tht
Dont believe luka will make it till there cause we people from Europe like to live life even if we are professional athletes(meaning luka will always let himself go in the offseason meanwhile bron was working his ass off after his 18th season in the league and also crazy crazy longevity due to genetics and discipline) that being said i think Lukas out,but i think Giannis could be close but players like him at that size usually get hurt after 30 so i think injuries will catch him later in his career.Again,this is my personal view and i hope they do make it close to brons record
@@bugzmccarthy8416 he def wont especially when he sits out half the season
That player is LUKA the Don!
Might pass Bron in all -nba team selections
He's the only player to start early enough. We'll see if he can keep it up for 15 more years
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@@ambassadorcartwright9127 no reason why he won't. His game doesn't rely on athleticism and speed at all so no reason age will slow him down.
I thought giannis
Yep
Love the concept, I personally would've ranked all 110 though in each category. I understand for things like influence that would've taken days, but I think it would make the list more accurate past the top 10 to 15
No Dirk on the shot making? (creating and making their shot) No Dirk on your impact list? Stretch 4s and 5s all over the league because of him. Everything else is pretty good tho.
I criticize the same points. Dirk has a Fair ranking on the overall list. But impact on big men and international players (him being the first international mvp who didn't play college in the US is also huge) and shot making, with being 50-40-90 and having arguably the best fadeaway ever. These points I also can't understand.
Yeah Dirk should be in shot maker and influence list. The first 7 footer scorer and shooter. And MJ at no. 13 at shot making? 10 scoring titles, highest career ppg, 50% career FG% as a shooting guard, one of the deadliest midrange shooters of all time. Not sure what his basis on that list. Im sure creativity is ignored bec no way steph, klay, ray allen and kd are more creative than mj. I guess 3 pt shooting takes a lot of the percentage. But he got the rest of lists right.
KG was the prototype for the stretch 4. Heck, you can make a not insane case that Dirk isn't the Most important stretch 4 who played pro ball in TX. (Tina Thompson, COME ON DOWN!) If KG doesn't play well early in his career, Dallas doesn't take a chance on Dirk Nowitzki, and holds onto Robert Tractor Traylor.
@@iluminati Who is Tina Thompson? We are talking about the NBA not toy leagues.
@@aguyfromnothere subsidized league
Zaza Pachulia actually has the most all-defensive teams. The cameras just weren't on.
Wait what do you mean?
@@ziwuri my guy 😐
Also the most lethal Ankle breaker in history of nba
@@KidnapT 😂 lol
@@KidnapT NAWWWW U FOUL
"A jack of all trades, and a master... of many." I don't think there's ever been a better description of the GOAT.
Except a three
@@endk.3500 he can shoot the 3 he doesnt want to
@@envision136 He literally holds the record for the worst 3 point performance in the 3 point contest with Detlef Schrempf
@@duantae A three point contest really. That don't mean anything
@@micaiahpatterson1880 he should've never been in the contest
Wilt needs to be higher than 10 for impact and influence. The league changed the rules so he couldn’t dominate as easily. No other player has that kind of influence. In terms of players that have changed the way we see the game, the way we watch basketball, the way we play basketball, he changed the way we see and play the game LITERALLY through the rules. No other player has done that.
Wilt should be number one
@@matt7561 yes indeed the younger generation doesn't know who Wilt is and once they find out about his 73 NBA records they think that he was a myth they think that Michael Jordan invented basketball 😀☝️
Wilt higher in influence... He has changed so many rules especially when talking about defence and blocking
Wilt is the original monster when it came to basketball, Shaq just took over that title. The 2 monsters gifted with athleticism and rare physique that let them dominate without any effort. They are the embodiment of "built different" in basketball.
@@johngrimm2074 he is the reason people count blocks
If Bill take most points of finals mvp then why Wilt didn't take not even +0.5 ???? He could have won one more you know !
Yeah and Magic should be almost at the top of the list with Bird. Those two guys saved the NBA.
@@JoPe-d7n So true. NBA was floundering as a league before those two hit the NBA hardwood. Thankfully, they went to great franchises. I think they may have had one of the first shoe deals with the Converse Weapons, each with team colors. The impact of Magic and Bird cannot be understated. Then Michael came into the league and the rest is history.
I appreciate that you still included some Pistol Pete footage. He partially played before the 3 point line but still sank bombs. He also helped invent showtime. I think hes undervalued.
If you know you know
Bro people don’t know about pistol Pete , the man could ball , lol I love how the underate this legend , people can’t differentiate between eras and how players would play in each era
Ernie fav player
@@jfrom214 I couldn't agree more people who go oh this guy couldn't shoot enough for this era or he wasn't strong or tough enough... like bro if they're an all time great they would have made it in any era. The best players would play to the strengths of that era and still be great in another era, it's likely they would just have a different game.
@@jfrom214 not to mention he’s one of the guys who could actually transition eras pretty well. Considering he was a trailblazer on so many aspects that are commonplace today.
Lets take a moment to appreciate the time, effort and dedication put into a 17 minute vid. Jimmy is a basketball genius and has my respect. Amazing what this guy does keep it up! Your doing great
Jimmy>Stephen.A
it’s a pretty bad list though
@@David-lf6rr Lol
@@ne9835 it just is. Dame has no business being on this list. Kobe way too high, mcgrady shouldn’t be on it, rodman way too high, rondo shouldn’t be on it
@@ne9835 and embiid being 46th is just straight up laughable
*Positives:* The whole damn project. Lotta work. Also, love the shout-outs to Moses Malone and Buck's-era Kareem. Highlighting Robinson's productivity was great (love Hakeem, but I'm always reminding people that Robinson was VERY similar in most stats). Whatever the minuses, overall this was really interesting, and I'm sure a lot of work. Thanks!
*Minuses:*
1. Your two subjective lists have... um... problems. For Impact, Kobe was more impactful/influential than Curry, Russell, Chamberlain, Dr. J, and Magic? Come on now. And shouldn't Magic & Bird be joined at the hip when it comes to impact and influence, but Bird doesn't even make the list? (If you're including Magic's social impact for how he handled his HIV diagnosis, then he should be #1 hands down!) And as for "Shot Making", not only do you have Kobe over Jordan, but you have Kobe #1 and Jordan #13... when they're the damn same player in the sense of being a "shot maker" (and Jordan, although 1% less on 3PT%, was 4% more efficient overall.) The "Shot Making" list is just strange for all kinds of reasons (Ex: Are distance shooters "shot makers" because they can easily "create" by shooting from far away? And Kyrie #11? Over Wade and Jordan and Ice? No. And Vince Carter makes it, but A.I. doesn't? And again, Kyrie is #11, but A.I. ain't even on the list! And wasn't Wilt pretty good at making a shot? What about the logo? Legend has it that Elgin Baylor was pretty good too.)
2. The points given by rank are a little suspect. Ten All-NBA Teams gets you 1 point, but 11 All-NBA Teams gets you 8 points? And I assume 9 selections gets you nothing. Wes Unseld - who I checked to make sure he got his proper love - actually got too much love by your system. Players who had 7, 8, or 9 All-NBA selections should've be given something for that, to separate them from players like Unseld, who wasn't nearly so dominant for so long.
3. You triply messed up Wes Unseld's points (neglected his Final's MVP, didn't include his photo among the Championships, and incorrectly computed his score even given those two mistakes. This makes me wonder... did you do this by hand? I assume you used a spreadsheet, but if done by hand, then - _Holy Hell dude_ - that's WAAAY above and beyond.)
4. Ice Ice Baby!
Under Shot Making, you put George Gervin #18.
LOL
Players in NBA history with 4 scoring titles in 5 years: Durant, Jordan, Gervin, Chamberlain.
And Allen Iverson is the only other player to get 4 scoring titles total.
And... Gervin spent his first 4 years in the ABA before the merger, so who knows if he might have had even more?
And, for a wing, his career 2 PT % of 512 is, um... pretty good, eh? That SOB seemingly never missed.
He's underappreciated.
A lot of facts here
I think the subjective lists threw this thing off massively. Kobe got 29 points from 'shot making' and 'influence', which pretty much cemented him top 5 instead of 7/8. How does Lebron not get a single point for shot making when he's pretty much the best player ever at driving and finishing at the rim (and has better efficiency than Kobe).
Also the recency bias is insane. Luka ahead of Scottie Pippen? Lilliard is the 50th best player ever? Why? Because he shoots 3s efficiently?
You write all this masterpiece of information just for 20 likeslemme turn that 21 amazing comment
Agree - would have been great if he just used basketball stats and accolades, and not things that are subjective like 'Clutch, shot making, influence etc
Well imo the fact that mj is number 1 and lebron in second proves the authenticity of the list and how numbers do not lie. If you compare these results with jimmy’s latest video on the GOAT debate according to NBA players the results match this list.
Two things I'd suggest to adapt:
1. Diferentiate 1st team selections from 2nd and 3rd team selections
2. Measure the percentage of seasons the player has played that resulted in selections. MJ and Chuck have the same amount of selections, but they're not in the same tier in that category.
all-time great players don’t make 2nd and 3rd teams
Trae young has accomplished more in his career so far than luka but his size eliminates his ability atm to get on the 1st team because of bias. So I think you have to add the 2nd and 3rd teams, or at least the 2nd teams. Also no dpoy list in the rankings? Also I think there should be points for at least the top 25 in each category since a lot of these players stats are super close to each other, 10th versus 15-20th usually isn’t going to be that huge of a difference.
@@MrBuggy865 The Hawks beat the 76ers last year in the playoff and the Hawks were -19 with Trae on the court.
What most missing is steals and blocks since the both an important part of the game but we all know it wouldnt change much for Mj since he is top 3 all time in steals per game and overall i think but for some other it would help their raking an a important steal or block at the right time can win you a game so its a shame its missing
@@MrBuggy865 What has Trae achieved that Luka hasnt?
Ahh the ECF?? Yah, against a stacked Clippers team vs Luka and his boys? Yahh thats why despite averaging a triple double and 35ppg in a 7game series still didnt help them win because Trae is better than Luka right?
I’d love to see how all 110 players ranked. And maybe an updated version of this since the end of the season, guys like curry, klay, and jokic definitely had a big jump
not klay but jokic and steph yeah
I think he meant as how Klay came back from a long injury absence and put the numbers he did. Steph and jokic definitely had a way bigger jump though.
I redid Steph’s ranking after this year and he’s around 11th, which I think makes sense
Especially jokic and curry, those two hit historic numbers this season, and in jokic’s case we have SO MUCH more left
Def not klay
The Wade spot troubled me the most. But even as a die hard LeBron stan, your top 10 was pretty damn accurate.
yeah I was about to say, Wade is way too low, Embiid is way too high.
Also what is Luka doing at 42 already? Maybe in 10 years but for now? Come on. Embiid same thing. Melo too. Rondo at 62, above Pierce? Jokic already in top 75? Come on...
no Alonzo Mourning, Walt Frazier, PATRICK EWING, CLYDE DREXLER on the list is blasphemy...
edit: okay, jimmy mentioned it too, I just paused at the moment he showed the full list, and got worried. but he noticed them missing too, at least.
@@csanadhorvath Luka being on the list I guess is similar to Shaq being on the top 50 list. At the time he was only a 3rd year player or something, and everyone, including himself, thought he was crowned too early. That being said, when they were discussing on NBA open court, they said “they guessed shaq, and they guessed right.” Similarly, I guess Jxmy is almost guessing Luka.
Same man. Literally only thing that bothers me is the wade spot
Seriously. There is literally NOBODY I would take over him from 31 to where he is. And a few of the people above Giannis I would also put Dwade over. I still think he's a top 30 play all time, possibly top 25 depending on who you got.
Wade makes sense to me. Remember, this isn't a Hall of Fame list, but 75 greatest. He seems about right.
It's a tradition to come back and watch this every once in a while
Note: Michael Jordan below Klay Thompson for "Shot Making" is criminal
Career averages also tend to be higher for active players in their primes. For example, Kevin Durant's 27 ppg is very unlikely to be maintained if he decides to play in his late 30s.
Yep and MJ,Wilt will have far ahead ppg if they don’t include their twilight years
@@ryuichihwang2495 Wilt retired in his mid-30s.
@@jp3813 yeah but the 60s where a different time, primes didnt last as long and chamberlain got jnjured
@@morpher728 I believe he got injured in the 1969-70 season around age 33 or so. He had the same ppg the year prior and the year after. It has more to do w/ switching his style of play b/c Jerry West had higher averages throughout his 30s. Such a switch was nothing new to Wilt b/c his highest postseason average was 37 ppg (3 games) rather than the absurd 50 ppg (80 games) in the regular season. By contrast, West's highest for both are 41 ppg (11 games) & 31 ppg (79 games) respectively.
Yeah but pre 2003 you had to play man to man so it made it easier to score for those older more experienced players who used skill rather than physical gifts
The thing that shocked me the most was Luka on this list and not just on the bottom, but right in the middle. Wow
I was looking for this type of comment
Call me crazy but I think Luka will end up being the Goat considering how high he already is
@@justinherbertthepervert4817 unless he gets a lot of injuries
@@justinherbertthepervert4817 Luka will be a great player but his impact on defense is too low for GOAT status
@@lubeau8296 Who knows maybe he'll develop some decent defense in years to come
I think RPG, APG and PPG should have been adjusted to per 100 possessions. The pace of play has changed a lot.
True. I want to see a new, adjusted for inflation list.
or per 75 possessions
I agree
In that case Stockton is way out in front.
Mistake: You left of that Wes Unseld was a Final's MVP. That gives him a regular season MVP (+10.5), a Final's MVP (+10.5), a Championship (+2), and #5 all time RPG (+16), for 39 points, making him #27 all time (moving one ahead of Jerry West, which is of course absurd). Also, you had his total at 29.5, but if you only included #5 RPG (+16) and regular season MVP (+10.5), then somehow you gave him 3 more points that I didn't see (I didn't see his picture among those with 1 ring, and that still would've only been 2 points, not 3, making a total - with your oversight - 28.5, not 29.5).
Derrick Rose at 72 is surprising. His potential was limitless and it was such a shame he kept getting injured.
For the life of me I will never understand what everyone saw in that guy. He was an explosive guard that was mostly hype, there wasn’t anything he did that was all that exceptional yet people treated him like a god.
Still baffles me till this day.
@@LegendInThaMakin cause he's the youngest player to have an mvp and was picked over LeBron, Kobe, Dirk, prime Dwight, and prime CP3, not to mention KD and prime K Love. So the dude isn't wrong to say he had potential
@@dudesayHEY but he didn’t deserve it. Lebron had a much better season than rose did that year, significantly better.
Once again, just hype.
@@LegendInThaMakin ahhh that's were I disagree with you. The 10-11 Bulls had 4 more wins over the Heat while the Heat had 3 All-Stars when the Bulls only had Rose and an all-star, swept them in the regular season. If Rose had another all-star caliber player for sure the Playoffs would have been different
It’s not suprising.
This was a certified "HIGHROLLER" classic
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Nobody:
Literally no one:
Jimmy: To show you how huge that is, here is this graph 😮
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He wouldn't be Jimmy with out the graphs lol
Graphs influence people’s opinions.
Well he did It to "put it into perspective" :D
Or he could not use any graphs and try to explain this without visuals at all… which would you prefer?
Love your content, bro. You put a lot of effort to make this list, and you said that this list is far from perfect. Respect.
We all need to appreciate how much effort/research he puts in these vids he’s the real 🐐 here
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We do
For just a content, this is unreal. It is so extensive that you can publish a paper. Fuckin GOAT of basketball content.
Yes he compares ppg and apg. Lazy video lazy criteria
Bro I swear I hate these bots
Adding in the drums and kicks when revealing that MJ is number 1 is one of the subtle reasons why Jxmy videos really be hittin on another level.
When is Jimmy gonna rank his ranks? Let's go full meta.
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Lebron being the alltime scoring champ yet not listed AT ALL in the Shot Making graphic is wild
THIS WAS MADE 2 YEARS AGO
@@LDixonFPS AND!? LBJ had already passed Kobe on the scoring list and he had Kobe in the one spot! LBJ passed Kobe in 104 less games and on 1,880 less shots. Clearly this guy did this to boast Kobe, its kind of pathetic to be honest.
Longevity my friend . Not shot making skill.
Should have put Dirk in impact
He changed the roles of the big guys alot
And into shot making
Dirk is regarded by many to have one of the most unguardeble shots in NBA history. After the Skyhook mainly.
No one could stop Dirks Fadeaway.
George Mikan should be there too but his impact was so long ago most people don't remember that he not only inspired everything about what the classic big man is he's also the pioneer that invented the 3-point line despite criticism which he said he created to give smaller players more roles
Who gets moved out the top 10?
Wilt at 10 in the influence list is hilarious. The nba changed the rules cause of him...
@@giovannigelain645 the nba changed rules because of Zaza to 😂 so can you explain to me how rule change matters also who would he be higher then, Julius? You believe he should be higher then the guy whos the god/creator of flashy dunks and even if you believe he should be how would that change the final list he’d still be in the same spot
Luca Doncic might just end up with the most all-nba selections
That's who he was referring to when he said drop the answer in the comments box
Great mindssss
Was just looking for a Luka comment
Or Trae
he's got 2 All NBA selections in 4 years, I don't see him having as long of a career as LeBron either
“No one’s necessarily wrong…unless if you don’t have Michael Jordan at #1” I love how this statement is coming from a lebron fan😂
The same thing I think every time he has a video about one of those great stories of MJ🔥🔥🔥
Because he makes his content from an objective point of view, which is something that is lacking in the internet in general and in some media platforms. Thats why his content is so good and no one can be mad at it.
Shaq is the best player to ever step foot in the nba
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He’s not even the GOAT at his position.
@@Frostshokula As an MJ fan, Lebron is no doubt the best small forward. Not to mention he can also play point guard and power forward, yet still manage to produce better results than many good players.
Jimmy: not my personal opinion on who’s the best 75
Also Jimmy: here’s 110 players I FELT deserve to contend..
I just wanna say thank you for making this list, and saying that it’s not perfect. It is insanely hard to try and interpret the game and make a list out of the best or greatest players out of it. There’s just so many details to go through and layers of it, and I appreciate all the work you put on this video.
Look up all these players and see them play basketball
this list is one of the worst ive ever seen. Wade at 47 my ass lmao
@@frosting_flakesD Wade my fav player of all time, I thought he should’ve been in the the 30’s
“No one is necessarily wrong. Well, unless you have someone else than Michael Jordan at number 1. Then your definitely wrong. And you can go ahead and throw that list in the trash” - Jxmy 2021
best line of the video
@@vikrantkumar7449 100%
My favorite part of the whole vid 😂
you’re*
You’re god damn right.
Jimmy is genuinely one of the few NBA heads that knows how to use numbers to make a point. He doesn't just throw them out with some oddly specific record like ESPN and most TV analysts.
Except his "numbers" include subjective "stats" that rise players that shouldn't be on the list like Tim Hardaway or Derrick Rose.
I mean this isn't statistically meaningful in any way
Unfortunately, I feel that Jimmy is just as guilty of this as those you mentioned. He often uses misleading charts with manipulated scales to make things look crazy when there isn't necessarily statistically significant going on. He is a good storyteller though. The videos are good entertainment, but not ideal in terms of stats analysis.
@@EricCKeys Also, he gave Bill Russell the most points for finals MVP because the award didn't exist yet, but didn't give any other player that played before the award existed any points at all. It's not fair to those players and an inconsistent application of the rule.
@@panner11 exactly. It's basically just subjective opinions transformed into a number.
It'd be interesting to see what an updated version looks like for KD, Steph, and particularly Jokic and Embiid.
Dirk definitely should have been top 5 impact. He changed the way Big Man play forever and had one of the toughest shots to defend in his arsenal. Everything else is on point
Also widely considered to be the best european player until now
@@lordrichardvantiltingen7109 until now? Who’s better all time?
@@lilfagalz1008 Luka could surpass him
@@lilfagalz1008 I think Luka may be capable of overtaking him and no one knows what other players are gonna comw in the future
Top 20 for sure
Can’t wait to see Giannis moving up on these kind of lists, I love that man
Giannis is already number 1 on this list d13 1n 4 f1r3 unitary
Top 10 when it’s all said and done imo 🖐
@@cruzzz5738 if he continues at this pace there’s no doubt. The ONLY thing that can stop him is if he doesn’t have longevity, which doesn’t seem likely…
@@cruzzz5738 no doubt, giannis is themordern day shaq,he's deff going take over shaq sspot
Honestly his playoff run didn’t impress me at all
Jimmy : no matter how you split it no one is necessarily wrong
also Jimmy : Well unless you have someone other than Michael Jordan at no 1 , then you're definitely wrong
😂😂
Throw it in the trash to
Lebron is no. 1
well thats just a no brainer
Truth really does hurt a certain group of people .
@@treycramer7940 he’s not
Amazing MJ topped all as the GOAT. Glad to see Tony Parker in this 75 greatest players list: he was left out of the NBA 75 list, with all his championship rings, accolades, leader abilities, basketball skills, and dedication to the game. But it was still sad not to see Clyde the glyde Drexler included: can we not extend to top 100? :-)
Tony and Manu missing it made me sad, but at the same time there were always going to be snubs
👑=GOAT
@@ninjamage5215 should have been the top 100 players
That's right top 100 to many great players left off
*You should’ve also taken into account that Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain would have 13 and 11 All-Defensive Team selections if the All-Defensive Team award started before 1969*
no chance, MJ wouldn't be #1 then, Jimmy cant risk that happening.
MJ wasnt top 10 in the stat he made up
i was gonna comment exatly the same thing
Keywords "Would have"
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*He took into account that Bill Russell “would have” the most Finals MVPs*
A couple flaws on this list, but mainly defensive impact. If you go on only all defense teams the list suggests Kobe is better than Hakeem, Ben Wallice, etc on the defensive side.
Kobe was just as good a wing defender as Hakeem and Wallace were interior defenders. Kobe was a clamper.
@@twoinch yes but then you’re putting a higher value on defensive teams as opposed to DPOYs
@@twoinch not really bro
Agreed. But also using win shares and saying it’s one of the best stats, and using accolades as well
@@twoinch pls dont even try to make a case for kobe being a better defender than Hakeem you are gonna look very silly
I think George Mikan deserves to be on impact and influence because his dominance lead to rule changes like goal tending and the shot clock
100% he is the reason the game is the way it is. He influenced taller players. He showed big men can be athletic and smart. He also created the 3pt line and showed dominance in an era of gaurds
@@braedan_ He did not create the 3pt line
he was one of the reasons that lead to it
@@datboief The 3 point line was used like 25 years after he retired
@@anishgowda6877 I think Mikan had influence in introducing it in the ABA then was brought to the NBA when the merger happened. Mikan was the commissioner for the ABA which also had the dunk contest. The real creator of the three ball was from Eddie Rios Mellado running a children’s league in Puerto Rico.
Though the amount of work put into this vid is great keep up the good work
Ok, now this is the actual definition of a banger! Let’s get this banger trending baby!🙌❤️
@@IHateStroads LOL
I do really like this system however there was one flaw that really stood out to me inthe difference in stats from say #1 to #2 does not change the amount of points they receive. What I mean by this is it went purely by numerical placement rather than the difference from whoever was one to whoever was two. For example, look at points per game. MJ is 1, Wilt at 2 but then there is a massive statistical drop off to Elgin Baylor at 3 however the increments for the points system was unchanged. I think that in this case, Baylor should've received less OR Wilt and Jordan should've receiver more points due to the margin in the stat. I'd love to see how this changes things and I think this would separate a lot of the very close margins that happen at the end.
I do like the idea of a weighted points distribution amount based on the statistics themselves.
@@J-theSloth If weighted points were thing, most of the guys from the 50's-70's would dominate this list due to the lack of teams, lack of players, and lack of skillful players. Like yea bill russel has 11 championships, but there was only like 10 teams to compete against during that time, making it wayyyy easier % wise to win a ring.
@@cheddix_ That’s why we have per 75 passion metrics. The pace was faster in the 60’s and 70’s which is why there per game stats were like that
That sounds great and I bet would change a lot of positions on this list. Jimmy is probably reading this like gladiator “are you not entertained”
I agree 100 percent.
jimmy literally outbrains and flexes on everyone with his extensive knowledge of the NBA.
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You clearly the GOAT of the analysis
i feel like dirk should have a top 10 impact..he paved the way for shooting bigs in my opinion
That's definitely not opinion... It's facts
If you wanna go way back, Bill Laimbeer and Schrempf are the landmarks for big man shooters
Garnett too
@@UnemploymentScrub23 not to the degree, hence why after Dirk is when teams did it
@@UnemploymentScrub23 Rik Smits had a well known fadeaway in the 90s. But he wasn't a primary scoring option. Ewing and Malone were also well known for their midrange jumpers.
In general I commend the effort, the final result does look good. I'd consider:
- There's a couple of subjective rankings (does it change the final result much? if yes then its probably over-valued, if no just remove it, it substracts from the exercise imho).
- Some stats account for other stats (e.g. win shares account for points, so overall scorers are over-valued).
- The whole 'only awarding points based on ranking' is wierd, it would be better, albeit maybe harder, to assign points to all players (based on stats). Then final result just a total sum of the weighted categories.
- Some categories are weighted the same and thats at least arguably. Do ppg, rpg, apg (or poss/48m) weight the same?
- Shouldnt stats be normalized to season/position to account for changes on the game?
My 2 cents.
Great work!
@toijg avnnr I thought Klay and ray were mostly catch and shoot type of guys does that count as creating your own shot
I totally agree with all the points made. That’s why the end result is still kinda meh. Definitely need to account for the changes in how the game is played. Still great effort on making this though, just need to adjust scoring system and variables in the future.
Great comment, you are totally right about all points.
Tim Duncan and MJ are my favorite players all time. MJ is the goat, but Dunc was one Ray Allen shot from having 6. I love to see him get his recognition on these lists.
I used to hate Tim Duncan cause he would always beat the Lakers. But then when I got older I realized it's impossible to hate someone like Duncan - no scandals, all time great, always on a winning team...etc.
@@bossshxtonly I watched Kareem and Mike play. Mike was better. When Kareem entered the league there were 14 teams. Kareem played for 21 years compared to Mike's 15, thus the higher point total. Kareem scored less ppg, had the same amount of 'chips as Mike and won 2 finals mvp's as compared to Mike's 6. Mike has the highest P.E.R. in NBA history and was an all time defender. You're wrong.
true. i've heard people argue that jordan was a retirement or two away from having 8. end of the day they more than enough to solidify their spots in history.
@@bossshxtonly stats awards highshool to pro yeah kareem is the goat
Edit: but kareem begin winning when magic arive so yeah Air jordan is the goat
@fuckyoutubepolicy staff I never said Dunc was on bad teams. He had to go through the Shaq and Kobe Lakers every season tho. They did aquire all their players through the draft. Not like the current Lakers...who are unimpressive thus far. And...you must not have watched MJ's finals. The Suns , Lakers and especially the Jazz were fantastic teams.
The fact that Dennis Johnson is top 40 on here shows how criminally underrated he is... Alot of ppl don't even know who he is
Absolutely right. Sometimes it seems that people forget that defense is half the game.
Giannis finna rock up to that top spot on all defensive selections.
Yeah prob every yr lmaooo
This is the 3rd time? I've watched this and I haven't gotten tired of it yet. 1 thing I seriously enjoy about Jimmy is that he even points out the flaws of what he himself does. Respect
Just when you are having a rough day Jimmy comes in clutch
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Everyday is a rough day in a sense, which means whenever Jimmy uploads it's good.
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Nice pfp
@@mikemeds2323 thanks
Wilt Chamberlain had the greatest peak
Ben Taylor: And I took that personally
I appreciate JxmyHighroller's humility in creating this list. And the confidence that MJ is #1 no matter what you think! Keep the great content rolling, J-Highroller!
Crazy thing is, Jxmy used to be a huge Lebron fan. Respect to Jxmy for doing his research and changing his opinion based on it without denying them.
@@slim7406 jxmy can still be a huge lbj fan and not think he is the greatest player of all time. Just like you can be a massive KD fan and understand he isn’t top 5
@Pepi Roni yeah ngl thats bs man , kobe is ATLEAST a top 10 player All Time .
Lmao bruh he didn’t use a lot of stats that would’ve helped lebron, like “all time” stats. They have to count for something, yes it’s better to average the most points in nba history, but it’s GREATER to have the most points in nba history. This research and a lot of the stat lines he used create a really flawed top 75. Larry not top 10? Hakeem 13? Chris Paul 17??? Mo Malone, KG, Chuck all ranked below Willis reed? Scottie below Luka???? (Btw I’m the biggest Luka fan you’ll meet) 😂 Like this top 75 is awful bro.
@@dutchpackdior2178 nah lowkey he is like 12-13 all time. Before his death I consistently saw people say that he was anywhere from like 9-12th, but after his death everyone says top 5?
How can you not rank Larry Bird on the Impact and Influence list. He and Magic literally saved the NBA and made it relevant again. They should be at or near the top together
They are near the top.
Larry bird not being too 10 is a crime, he is one of the only people to win MVP 3 years in a row.
True, but that's a made up stat so it depends on what he meant. Based on who made the list it was about style. Basically how many ppl copied your game/how you altered the game.
Kobe should be nowhere near this list.
Magic: someone over 6'3 being the primary ballhandler.
Elgin/Dr.J, Jordan: high-flying elite scorer/ dunker
Oscar: jack of all trades/positionless player
Mikan: big man focused offense
Russell: defensive anchor/ fast break
Steph: obsession with long distance 3/ court spacing
Wilt: pace, defense, size of the court, how the game is played.
Iverson: streetball influence/ not calling palming
Without Larry and Magic the NBA wouldn't be where it is today. Facts! They not only saved nba, they changed the entire nba and made it marketable.
Well he said that this list was based strictly numbers. He literally said that he wasn't including those kinds of things 💀
Luka Doncic is making some lists and he’s only been in the league for 3 years 🤯🤯
Right
Yup. His skills are that good👍🏾.
@@organizationalcoaches7072 not last night boss👍
@@yapops5167 indeed.
@@yapops5167 mavs have a slow start every season
Most impactful:
Jordan- globalized the sport
Pistol- The Godfather of “street ball” style
Iverson-popularized the cross-over
Russell-The foundation for winning and teamwork
Kobe-Jordan clone, popularized Jordan’s mindset/mentality
Magic-Popularized flashy passing game
I was just staring at Embiid above Wade the whole time lol
Fuck that they literally are trying to put KD ina top ten above Shaq and Larry at that.
Bro dwade is under russ james harden embiid fucking luka AI wtf lmao
@@jimbobfisher8904 KD pretty much is cheating, because he plays small forward/power forward and if you google the average heights its 6'5-6'10 for those two positions, KD stands next to DeMarcus (Boogie) Cousins who's listed at 6'11 and KD is slightly taller than him listed at "6'10". He's a good player though and is pretty agile for his height with great shooting capabilities/basketball IQ. However, SHAQ is great don't get me wrong. He had quite a few flaws in his game though such as hack a shaq. Is it shitty KD joined the warriors to win championships? yeah. Lebron did the same thing too. However I don't disagree with him being top 10. He's a very efficient player.
@@ryandiaz8512 This has to be a joke
CP3, Nash, Harden etc. above Pippen is also crazy and shows that the metrics Jimmy used are far from perfect. Scottie belongs in the top 20.
Pistol Pete's handles, shooting and passing were a thing of beauty. Too bad his NBA career didn't go so well although he did have some success
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Wtf are you on about he died at 21
@@Mustafa0sman wtf are you on about? He was born in 47 and died in 88 so you do your own f'n math. He's a 5 time all star.
One big criticism I have: To determine the greatest Peaks, you solely looked at Win Shares, which is an awful way to to determine peak, because it heavily punishes players, who play fewer minutes/games, especially modern players (even worse for guards, because Big Men always score higher on these kind of impact metrics) This focus on total win shares is the reason your list would make it seem that stockton has a higher peak than Giannis and Curry, which isn't reflective of the reality at all. And that's not only obvious to the eye-test but also to the stats: Giannis and Curry would put Stockton in the dumpster if you look at WS/48. This is also the reason Wilt tops this list, as he played basically 48 mpg in those peak seasons, even though LeBron and MJ are way ahead of him in WS/48.
Also I believe looking at a 5 year window for "peak" is really over the top. A lot of players, even among all time greats, dont have real peaks that long. If this is really about their absolute peak, I think 3 years - perhaps 4 MAXIMUM - is more realistic. 5 years punishes players who had their peak shortened or disprupted by injury very heavily.
Chanching these criteria would defenitely make the list more accurate. Curry for example, who obviously has on of the greatest peaks of all time(shoutout to Thinking Basketball) would pretty comfortably land near the end of the top 10, instead of not being in the top 20 at all.
I hate to say it, but it’s not about potential, it’s about what actually happened. Sure injuries suck, but there have been many players that have had potential before being injured that are no where near the top, so the 5 year peak is still valid
Plus, 5 year peak shows consistency, a very important thing
Plus, if you look at the number of Modern NBA players you’ll see it’s pretty fair. Plus, he did say it’s bound to change
I do agree it wasn’t perfect, but that wasn’t the point. It was just to analyze through stats. And sure there were some mistakes, but the Top 10 was shockingly good.
@@pancakesbf2704 All you need to do is watch Thinking Basketball’s greatest peaks series and you will understand how shallow this analysis was.
Bro that shot making/creation bit was crazy. MJ seems so low and no bron, Hakeem, or dirk? I know big men aren’t sexy but these guys are elite bucket getters from any spot on the floor. Having bird behind klay feels strange too considering how much more space the modern league has. Long rant. Great video man
The list is great considering that it is based on data but it doesnt make sense that Kobe is first on shot making and MJ 13th. Kobe literally learned from the man I would put Luka on that list also.
I mean, that's why basing purely on stats is wrong, some things can't be characterised
@@JJJameson. That category was made up by him lol no man in his right mind will put mj 13th in shot creating
@@rollo48 Exactly
@@JJJameson. But the category youre talking about is actually NOT based on the numbers but rather on subjective opinion.
But even subjectively, how can someone missed the most shot is also number one shot maker
Honestly, I regard MJ as the greatest Player to ever Lace up because of his Influence, his influence enough made him the Goat there was never a guy who changed Basketball he damn made it mainstream and he damn made it Internationally. His influence enough is what made him GOAT for me. At least.
It was way more than his "influence" that made him the GOAT.
Sincerely,
An avid Jazz fan
yeah not to mention he was also the best player to ever step on the court by far.
@@snozeberry99 you may want to look into Wilt Chamberlin, Jordan was the best at selling tickets sure but yeah there is that one player that had to retire just so mike could be great. he is the only player to retire undefeated by Jordan... that was with a bad back. in his prime MJ was no match sorry. not talking about wilt either.. talking about the legend himself. if he couldn't beat him on the court then he is the best right? not even in his prime lol
Larry Bird bounced him from the playoffs twice everyone knows he's the Goat he just isn't considered "athletic" so he doesn't have the appeal of Jordan most fans are minority to say
@@HollowWeird of course everyone knows that Larry's the Goat but he's "white" and more importantly "unathletic" never mattered when you beat the best how much "flash" you had
I feel like everyone knows that MJ, LeBron and Kareem have solidified their spots at top 3
I think Kobe is top 3
Pretty much yeah, most people have the 3 at interchangeable spots but they’re probably 90% of peoples top 3
no lebron is not top 10
@@andrecarter1590 where else should he be?
@@andrecarter1590 Your definitely a lebron hater 😂😂😂
Great work Jimmy. Really appreciate your work. Love it.
I'm surprised you didn't count DPoY. Personally, I'd value that as equal to or slightly above RS MVP. Also, why no steals or blocks?
I personally feel like he didn't do those because it wouldn't be fair. For someone like Hakeem being able to get points in those defensive stats for blocks, but for someone like kyrie not being able to get those points cause he isnt a defensive type of player.
@@noturavxragejo721 Isn't that the point? Everyone on this list has some defensive prowess great or small. Hakeem being an elite 2 way player deserves his credit. Kyrie being a mediocre defensive type of player should not be ignored.
@@yoyoyong211 bro do you watch Kyrie? He’s one of the best defensive guards in the league tf
I certainly wouldn't count DPOY or best scorer. Just like I wouldn't count MVPs.
Because there's no second, 2rd, 3rd, 4th... place.
One gets all the credit and others don't exist at all.
You could be the 2nd best defensive player for 10 years and have 10 different guys taking first place, overall you're definitely the best defensive player over these 10 years and get no points.
You could score 28 pts for 10 seasons and never be the best scorer.
Steals/blocks are heavily influenced by era and DPOY is no where near MVP, if you value DPOY like an MVP guys like Dwight are top 20
Love your videos! You lost me at the made up “shot making” stat though. MJ is not in the top 10 and Vince Carter made the list? Nah fam. That stat needs a redo. Either way, this is one of my favorite channels ever.
Appreciate the love. MJ’s in there, take another look brotha!
michael jordan is 13th on shot making
@@JxmyHighroller you’re right. I meant to say not in the top 10. All love fam 💪🏽
@@JxmyHighroller Love the list but I wouldn't put Kobe on #1. Yes, he made many difficult shots but also tops the most missed shots all time. I'd put him 3 at the highest and 7 at lowest.
He lost me there too that was weird to add and bogus
Crazy how much thought and hardwork Jimmy puts in these videos. Respect
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Nice list! Good to see that a stat-based list is almost as close as doing the eye test list. Just a bit of shame that a guy like Manu Ginobili would never be included in such list due to how the Spurs functioned.
Wilt got into the league in 1959. The All-Defensive Team wasn't even invented until 1968 when Wilt was 32. Wilt made two all-defensive teams by the book, but he would've made it every year or nearly every year of his prime. Same with Bill Russell. The problem with ranking players this way, is that not all of these awards and accolades existed for all of these players. Immediately puts older players at a serious disadvantage.
100%. Same goes with DPOY pre-merger.
But then do you bring into account that the league was nowhere near as competitive and discount their accolades because of this? Put Russell the league now and he is an all time great defender and team leader (but if you think he 8-peats on chips and wins 11 of 13 of his seasons, you're out of your mind) Russell and Wilt had their unique benefits from their era for sure.
@diredepiction1610 Think about this too, every single world record that Michael Phelps has set has been broken except one I believe. Eventually, all of his records will go down. Swimmers will get better and better and Phelps will look worse and worse as they do. But will that take away his 23 gold medals against the competition he faced? Absolutely not.
Glad to see Rodman in that list. Nobody remembers that when he stepped in the game it meant trouble for the rival, doing the dirty work, defending all positions and getting 15-20 rebounds a game. Love for the worm.
He was a basketball genius.
Lol we remember 😏
These videos really highlight the shortcomings of using ranking over scoring in such a comparison. By assigning points based on ranks, some categories like # of MVPs or # of _ selections can create massive disparities in points. The difference between 10 and 11 selections shouldn't be way more valuable than the difference between 11 and 12. Also limiting to 20 in any category is going to inhibit well-rounded players who might not make the top 20 but consistently sit in the top half of the list.
I don't know why, but it makes me incredibly happy for Rajon Rondo to be on the list. Even if it isn't a high spot. Hope people are going to remember how good he was in his prime.
“And Dwight Howard who would’ve been the 6th player to make this list just missed it”..... the foreshadow is real 🤣🤣🤣 poor Dwight 🤷♂️
i nearly spat my beer out at that, it almost shook my belief that he was snubbed because of the coincidence lol.
It honestly feels like those two subjective and extra categories are designed to make certain players look better on the ranking.
It was just for kobe tbh
like Luka
Just for Kobe, if you took away both of them, Mike still leads Bron. I think Mike DEF needs to be at least three spots higher on the shot making...I mean, the dude literally leads the NBA all time in buzzer beaters. Kobe was good, yeah, but he LEARNED from Mike...
@@elishamcfarland9427 mj for sure should be top five
@@elishamcfarland9427 learning from anyone doesnt make much of a difference.
I GUARANTEE the current player he was thinking of was Luka Doncic, because that man is the next face of the NBA
@Shredding in DL Anthony edwards is good but not luka good bruh
Yeah Luka is on the trajectory bc he has 3 all nba selections in just 4 seasons but we rlly don’t know how much longevity he’ll have in his career to get to 15
After Giannis... Sure, It is Luka, not debatable
Luka, because at age 23 he is better than MICHAEL JORDAN at age 23
I think its luka as well
Kawhi at 22 I likes that finally some respect for a legend