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It’s the players too bro, if u watch closely a lot of them cry cuz they don’t get the fouls. Jesus how the way offense is lookin in today’s game bring the hand checking rule back 💯💯
People aren't gonna recognize this but Kevin Love, believe it or not, deserves a lot of credit for starting the end of the "big man in the key" trope. He was probably one of the first 3-pt shooting centers.
Well he mostly played power forward for the timber wolves, but I think that PF’s like him and Ibaka(OKC days and series vs Spurs) began to change the role of big men as Ibaka especially proved how lethal it was to have a big man that could shoot in the playoffs. They were just so versatile and opened the paint for scorers like KD and Westbrook
The NBA has become "positionless" basketball. Boys we were playing positionless basketball at recess in school. The NBA has turned into a recess pickup game.
The mindset of the nba being a pickup no defense game is just stupid i bet even the 90s greatest defender scottie pippen would look like an amateur guarding jayson tatum. I watched the 90s I watched the todays too and so far todays the greatest talent ive ever seen
@@midorimashintaro2613 If Scottie grew up in this era he would be better than Tatum he would be like a LeBron 2.0 without the high ppg and far better defense.
Pace was like 90 back then now its around 100 so that would make sense the same goes for every player because the higher the pace the more you can shoot the more points you can score
2k just a giant simulation, so in theory the meta for 2k should be the theoretical future of the nba. Ie. The 5 out is the meta in proam and that is where we are heading in today’s nba
@@richarddorvil6674 man, i dont even know how to execute on-floor strategies like motion or iso. since I'm new, i just pick the hardest setting i could manage, random up the teams, use the visiting team, then pass around to get the best available player to drop the rock. the best i could do is alley-oop. cut me some slack man.
Defenses never catch up with ofenses because whenever they do, the NBA nerf it by changing the rules. See changes made right after Pistons championships in 90 and 04.
3s opened up because defense got more relaxed. When they were able to start getting back to the hoop easier the big guys blew up and than the 3s opened up
Watching games nowadays, makes me think of my bloated good-for-nothing coach in middle school who would bench me for shooting a 3, bc "point guards aren't supposed to shoot".
My high school coach (2001-05) did not allow our team to take 3's from the corner because "that's the worst shot in basketball".......we were pretty much all benched for taking 3 point shots whether they went in or not.
obviously the most important detail is the 2018/19 season change of the shot clock reset from 24 to 14 on offensive rebounds, creating a huge difference in the amount of possessions (and of course shots) per game --- not sure why this stays under the radar and was not mentioned ---- yes there was a curve before then with the curry analytics era, but the 14 sec shot clock is what caused the real explosion
@@cjr1881 Even if that was true it’s kinda like they’re going 10/15 instead of 7/10, sure a little less efficient but they have WAY more opportunities to score
After posting a similar comment to your comment I had to like and reply to you. Yes the main reason why we see higher scoring games is because of the shot clock resets to 14 seconds as opposed to 24 seconds after an offensive rebound. Resulting in the offensive rebounding team to put up a shot faster than back then.
@@thatguyluis I agree but rakane got a point. Officiating is so inconsistent and it just seems to get worse by the year. I feel thats a big reason why defense isn’t nearly as prominent anymore
Even the big men in today’s nba are 3 point specialist. Jokic, embiid, Ad, even Julius Randal only all star big guys that don’t shoot 3s are Zion and Giannis. And even they shoot 30% from deep. It’s nuts how much the nba has changed
This video makes what Jordan did even more amazing! He scored 37ppg in the hardest era to score ever. Imagine what he would have done in this inflated era
I remember being in elementary school, and I was made the Center because of how tall I was. In our first team practice, and shot a jumper and it rattled in and out. Coach then chewed me out because I was shooting jumpers in practice when I’m playing Center. Lol. Pretty much sums up how times have changed 🤷♂️
THANK YOU!! It can only be one - LACK OF DEFENCE!! "KD's too good to be stopped" ia a defeatist attitude At any time in a game there are NINE people NOT touching the ball.... but apparently "basketball" is "what happens why I have the ball" (crossover dribble, shoot, dunk etc)!!! '20ppg" but NO mention of "field goal percentage"...
Whats more crazy are Kobe's numbers.His whole career until the achilles 96-2013 the leage PPG team average were on all time lows.Teams barely averaged more than 100. But exactly before that period 80s and early 90s and exactly after his retirement until now teams averaged 105 to 110 PPG.
The easiest way to say it, is that you could get more a lot of trouble in getting fouls being a defensive player than actually getting in trouble as an offense player. A true baller would know the feeling that if you even overly be defensive you will just be trapped and get fouled anyways. A true offense player would use a good defender to draw a lot of foul. That is basically why being offense player is more lethal this days is because they know the big flaws of defenders.
Russell Westbrook and James Harden would never have won MVP awards if they had played in the 90s. *6"3 Westbrook couldn"t average 10-Rebounds per game and Triple Double per season.* vs David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Alonzo Mourning, Dikembe Mutombo, Patrick Ewing, RODMAN. and Shaquille O"Neal. *6"5 James Harden - ( Terrible defensive, Flop, Travel ).* In the 90s, it was disrespectful to the fans.
At the same time they had to score that many points because their teams were very offensively deficient. Like those squads that Kobe was on in 2005-06 or T-Mac was on in 2003 were atrocious. So naturally they had to take 25+ shots a game to keep their teams afloat. Their scoring went down once they had a legit 2nd option to play with.
@@Terror832 No those teams seemed far worse because it was actually harder to get your shots off with limited spacing. Just go play ball outside and say people can only shoot the ball within the perimeter. You'll instantly notice how hard it gets, so now imagine that often 3 or 4 players in said teams not just rarely shot 3's but couldnt and people were actually allowed to handcheck guiding people away from their spots also.
While playing intense defense and while playing against other playing tougher defense before the NBA rule changes. This is why I hate when people just compare stats across eras - it’s almost apples & oranges, you have to have watched both then you can take the stats in their proper context.
Tony Kukoc was the Doncic of his time. If he was given the green light and was able to continue his Euro play instead of being forced to bulk up, he would've gone on a tear in today's game.
This video is literally Vsauce but for basketball lmao, especially with the graph at the end. I think Nash would have had a fun time in our era tbh. A fast accurate shooter, who is pretty much the prototype Steph.
@@Johenz You've got to be kidding. Steve Nash is one of only four players to ever shoot at least 50% from the field, 40% from from beyond the three-point line, and 90% from the line in a single season (in fact, he did it four times in his career). His 90.4% shooting on free throws was the basketball record until Steph Curry came along, his 43% career average for threes is the eighth-best in NBA history, he's in the top 10 all-time for threes made, and his Phoenix Suns teams of the mid-late 2000s led the league in field goal percentage. He was an undisputed god at shooting, and the numbers that prove it make you and your claim look as stupid as they are.
Actually he compare the slowest era to the fastest era, imagine if he compared nowadays with the 80's or the 60's (who had the same amount of points or even more) or even the early 90's, ppl would understand that our era isn't that special in terms of scoring, specially if you take away that many 3's. Scoring is being exagerated by the 3's
@@casdomdomcas5214 keyword “young” Deron Williams. The D Will in his prime with the Jazz was killer and I think that D Will would be stupid fun to see play today’s game. He kinda went downhill after leaving utah unfortunately
@@carson2687 The kids don't know about the D Will of old. There was a few year stretch where he was arguably the best point guard in the NBA, dude was balling.
MJ would've developed a killer 3-point shot if the league valued 3's as highly as they do now back in the 90's. You can't tell me that someone with as maniacal a work ethic as MJ wouldn't have worked himself to death improving his long-range shot
@@dusk6159 it won’t be far fetched to see Stockton averaging 20+ PPG. He would have all the green light to shoot and score and was as accurate as Steve Nash.
You don't know basketball well then. Steve Nash is more flashy than John Stockton. But that does not make a player better. John Stockton lead the NBA in assists 4 more times than Nash and did it with a weaker roster than what Nash did his. Then he steals the ball way more and 2 more assists per game. So John Stockton creates more points per game than Nash. Also Nash was just a average defender and John Stockton was a very good defender with 5 Defensive first teams. Nash has 0 Defensive awards. Only things Nash got on Stockton is 3%, freethrow % and PPG. Rebounds. If pro coaches had to pick they would mostly pick John Stockton. He makes your team better at PG not just by passing and shooting. He also plays very good defense. He will create 40 something points per game and lower the FG% of his opposing PG and create more points. Nash would create alittle less and with a better roster of players. Plus play average defense.
I mean draymond is decent, but not amazing, offensively. He is a terrific playmaker. I don’t know wtf happened to his shot tho. In 2016 he shot like 40% from 3 and 50% overall. Something happened and he forgot how to play
@@Kdsmoovedab Given the same training standards as today's players (same routine, level of knowledge on training and medical care) I think you would be surprised. Today's game is boring to watch by comparatively regardless 🤷♂️
Except they won't bother to guard 'em for fear of getting a foul called. I'd like to see 'em change back to a more balanced game, but I think it's more likely they'll put in a 4 and 5 point shot, to get those scores even higher. Hell, if popularity is as simple as just having higher scores, make baskets worthy 20, long shots worth 30 and free throws worth 5. And then, shots from half court get ya 40! Scores in the 2 and 3 thousand range!! "And the Lakers pulled away from the Pelicans tonight 2,394 to 2,245. The Pels stayed within a hundred until the Lakers nailed consecutive 40 pointers late in the 4th." I won't be watching though.
@@Trollificusv2 I see where you’re coming from, but having high numbers in the double digits for a single bucket is ridiculously unnecessary. The popularity that comes from ranged shooters, comes from their frequent ability to hit those shots. The three is only a one point difference, and yet, is a very intimidating and dangerous shot, because, shooters who can make low percentage shots (being farther away from the basket), become a threat to players who can only score shots from the two or in the paint. And due to that fact, the numbers slowly start racking up and eventually create a confident lead if there is not a stop to the 3 point shot/play.
It really blows me how this generation just doesn’t understand how goated Jordan was. It’s disrespectful and it shows how much people really don’t watch nor understand basketball 🤷🏾♀️🥱
One of the reasons I really like Kwahi Leonard aka The Claw. He's a Jordan era throwback that has an all-around game and defense prowess. A true GOAT set of skills. He sadly fell into the team-hopping trap so prevalent today which diminishes his ability to be the building block of a dynasty team.
Yeah he only went to Toronto to get a championship, but the only reason he went to the clippers is to stay at home so I doubt anytime soon he’s gonna leave just to go to the nets or smthn
Jacking up midrange jumpshots won't win a you a series against scoring teams in today's era. That's why if MJ would play in today's era, he would need to work on his 3s coz he can't just attempt 30 midrange a game and expect to outscore his opponents without shooting 3s.
The difference now is that it’s a shooters league. More defensive fouls, less aggressive defense allowed, etc. Prime kobe or mj in this league would absolutely dominate scoring 35+ ppg.
Reggie Miller and Allan Houston are averaging at least 25+ in today’s 3 point centric NBA Imagine what prime Shaq would do against today’s small ball centers.
Today’s average player may be more overall offensively skilled than the 90s/00s, but a lot of offensive skills have become lost. Post-up game and high-post and midrange was bread and butter in that era. How many of today’s so-called “skilled bigs” have back to the basket post up game? Not many.
@WorldFlex If that's true I don't see them being used. I rarely see back to the basket postups, which should be one of the easiest highest percentage shots in the game. It was routine in the 90s to get the ball in to your center and let him go to work. I don't see that kind of offense.
Reminder the NBA in the early 1980's had scorelines similar to today. You had one game where both teams had over 180 points and this was before the 3 point line.
It’s often forgotten by old heads who like to call the moder era “soft” that during the 60s, 70s and 80s the pace of the game and scoring could get absurd. It was only during the 90s and 2000s when the game was grounded down to a halt
@@enthusiastofcute I'm an old head, and I call it soft because the touch fouls and all the technicals/flagrants that are called too easily which led to flopping. The high scoring thing isn't that much of an issue if they let defenders play physical defense again.
@@DemonKing-oi4jd thats all I ask for: let the players be more physical on defense. This would highly limit players ability to score (obviously) but I would love to see hand-checking return. Of course players nowadays are more skilled than ever before but its easy for all the stars in today’s game to score at high levels bc the defense isn’t really that physical or tenacious. Not their fault of course but I just wish more things could be done in that regard
Adam silver ruined the nba and maybe even team has basketball. In a few years when players like trae are leading the team they will struggle when their bs jump into the player to get a foul doesn't work
His theory killed the game. The ratings are trash because the games are unwatchable trash. If I want to see running..shooting, and dunking..with terrible defense..I can go to any park.
No, in the 2010s mainly they adopted the 3, obviously they were shooting before just not as much. It's just that the Poppovich-Duncan era was all about fundamentals, teamwork, and efficiency. But I see why you got that wrong.
Faster pace mean nothing, its the number of field goal attempts that show you how a player would perform, because even if the pace was slower, players like Iverson, MJ and Kobe took way more shots pg than Lebron, KD or curry. In his prime between 98-99 and 04-05 when Iverson won 4 scoring title, he averaged 29.1 ppg, but with an efg% of .438 and 24.6 FGA pg. Now lets compare to 7 lebron season between 04-05 and 10-11 : Lebron averaged 28.7ppg, about the same as Iverson, but with an efg% of .522 and 20.8 FGA pg, so he was way more efficient and it was in the same era. So pace doesnt mean shit, its the same with MJ, he had an efg% of .509 and Lebron .542. So lebron averaged less ppg but he was far more efficient, Jordan career total is 32292 points and he did that with 24537 FGA, Lebron scored 32543 points between 03-04 and 18-19 on 23478 FGA, so Lebron scored 251 points more with 1059 less FGA. And you cant tell me its because of the era MJ was playing in because Shaq had an efg% of .582, Charles barkley an efg% of .558 and Karl malone had an efg% of .518, way more than Jordan, and you know why they were more efficient ? Because they were big and strong and scored a lot of dunk and lay up, just like Lebron . Between 85-86 and 2000-2001, Karl malone scored 32919points with 23122 FGA. So he scored 627 points more with 1415 FGA less. Karl malone was actually a better scorer than Jordan, just like Lebron, because averaging 27ppg on say 50 field goal attempts is better than averaging 30ppg on 60 FGA.
@@ACIMRobert he said the 2000 not 2010. And yeah the 2000 spurs was extremely boring. If you think the 2000 spurs was playing the same beautiful basketball they were playing in the 2010 then you're wrong. Duncan iso was their main action at the time
This is fax, The 20th Person in scoring this year(Paul George) is averaging 24....7 years ago that was good enough to be the 5th leading scorer which was Anthony Davis😭
Players became supermen in just 5 years. Silly video. The defensive play is getting worse every year. *This is why 6"1 Trae Young ( age 21 ) can average 30-ppg.* *In the 90s, even Shaquille O"Neal barely averaged 30-ppg.*
This might be a hot take, but I don't think defence in the NBA has gotten worse, it's just that offence has become exponentially better and will always be one step ahead of defence so defence can never keep up. They adapt to one thing and the next game that player has another move that they have to adapt too
At what expense? You really think offensive charges are being called now compared to the 70-90's? Heck you can even place your forearm on your defender without being called. What else? carries? travel interpretations?
@@exgeeinteractive while yes the game is a lot less physical now than in the 70-90s era, this means that players have to be more creative in their ways to score, meaning defence is a reactionary act and can never keep up, while I agree it was easier to defend in the 70s-90s because of the physicality, means it’s harder to defend now, not that defence has gotten worse, the rules are more offence based
@@jacobknock6559 that's what the video was saying on the first place, when the general rule is favoring offensive output, players in this era tend to sleep on their defensive assignments, unless of course we're talking about the playoffs when foul calls are less prevalent and physical plays are more apparent. Again, at what cost. Viewership. nuff said. But at least they started the 2021 season ignoring excessive foul drawings and phantom calls, so it's a start.
I would like to take my credit for inventing "postionless" basketball 15+ years ago with my franchise on NBA2k. A team full of quicker players between 6'5" and 6"10 who could all shoot the three. Thank you. I'm glad the NBA was taking notes
@Dichang Feng Fr. People seem to forget the nba is an entertainment corp. They introduce rules which boost entertainment factor, not necessarily good basketball factor.
watch Raptors games, theres a big reason the celtics raps bubble playoffs was soo good and every NBA player was watching games 6 and 7 and tweeting about it
Faster pace mean nothing, its the number of field goal attempts that show you how a player would perform, because even if the pace was slower, players like Iverson, MJ and Kobe took way more shots pg than Lebron, KD or curry. In his prime between 98-99 and 04-05 when Iverson won 4 scoring title, he averaged 29.1 ppg, but with an efg% of .438 and 24.6 FGA pg. Now lets compare to 7 lebron season between 04-05 and 10-11 : Lebron averaged 28.7ppg, about the same as Iverson, but with an efg% of .522 and 20.8 FGA pg, so he was way more efficient and it was in the same era. So pace doesnt mean shit, its the same with MJ, he had an efg% of .509 and Lebron .542. So lebron averaged less ppg but he was far more efficient, Jordan career total is 32292 points and he did that with 24537 FGA, Lebron scored 32543 points between 03-04 and 18-19 on 23478 FGA, so Lebron scored 251 points more with 1059 less FGA. And you cant tell me its because of the era MJ was playing in because Shaq had an efg% of .582, Charles barkley an efg% of .558 and Karl malone had an efg% of .518, way more than Jordan, and you know why they were more efficient ? Because they were big and strong and scored a lot of dunk and lay up, just like Lebron . Between 85-86 and 2000-2001, Karl malone scored 32919points with 23122 FGA. So he scored 627 points more with 1415 FGA less. Karl malone was actually a better scorer than Jordan, just like Lebron, because averaging 27ppg on say 50 field goal attempts is better than averaging 30ppg on 60 FGA.
@@timeflies313 ''Old era'' which of course doesn't belong to the 90s, I hope you're aware of that. After the 80s, the NBA cracked down on all of that and, especially, treated MJ specially.
Plus most of the spin moves that you showed would have been called travelling 10-15 years ago. There is a lot more ball carries as well that go unpunished, or arent considered a carry, and the concept of the zero step has been stretched to its limits. Factor in that there is no handchecking allowed in the perimeter and there you have it.
Bingo. Start enforcing travelling and watch the scores go down somewhat. JxmyHighroller your analysis is great, but Raest brings up a really, really important few points that factor in
@@OKden2065 it isn’t going to happen though, to the average viewer big number and more dunks = cool I’m gonna watch more. It isn’t nearly as competitive and is incredibly one sided. Defense is almost non existent in this era, I hope they do more about it soon but it will inevitably cause points to go down and stats to go down for shooters which to most normies will look like the game is slowing down or getting more boring.
@@collinslogan01 yep, many young stars like ja morant would struggle in the euroleague because of the stricter implementation of the rules. If you can do a flashy dunk, the refs won't care about the travel.
100 percent agree with the handchecking element. Video talks about "defensive effort is at an all-time low" but fouls get called for such minor contact, just playing defense can get you in foul trouble.
@@David-ew9gd tbh seeing people make half court shots is just as satisfying as a poster, maybe even more lol. I love the NBA rn it’s like a game of trick shots lol. Steph really revolutionized the game, not just the NBA the GAME! Everyone wants to shoot like Curry nowadays.
@@marcusmvpgoat1236 not really people have literally always said that. Did you know the amount of free throw attempts have gone down over the years? It’s just offense has gotten so efficient that defense can’t respond, defense is an analytics game and hard to prepare for a team that can do anything
@@peewee130946 they changed the rules to make it easier for offenses Earlier eras still have defenses that are more physical and more difficult to score on. Rule changes have been designed to allow players to score more. The hand check being abolished in 2004 was met with an immediate increase in nearly every offensive stat. However, a rule change does not alter a defense’s ability, and does not make a defense softer than an earlier generation. That defense is just playing in the set of rules they were given. If hand checking returned, we would surely see a decrease in scoring. But despite being a sport, the NBA is a business, and their business is entertainment. Fans do not get a rise out of seeing LeBron James being hand checked and forced into a poor mid-range shot. Consumers of the brand love seeing James drive to the basket and capitalize with an exciting dunk. These rules were designed to allow that.
@@marcusmvpgoat1236 what you just said has literally nothing to do with what I said. You just pivoted so hard off of your original point. Also they didn’t change the rules to make it easier on offense they changed the rules because hand checking should have been a foul in the first place. Also the 90s and 80s era where horrible eras of basketball defensively players only knew how to punch and push instead of actually play defense.
Watch that whole interview, he really meant skill of the players. And hes right, this era of the nba has been the most skilled of all time, jokic is basically a 7 foot larry bird, giannis is almost 7 foot, can guard anybody, has the handles of a point guard, and dominates in the paint like shaq, dame can torch you from the logo, lebron is karl malone and john stockton combined, curry needs to be double teamed the moment he enters half court, KAT is doing stepback threes as a 7 footer and is hitting 40% of them and is not even considered as a top 10 player today, kyrie is ai with a 3pt shot, i dont even know what kevin durant is. The amount of 3 level scorers today is just ridiculous, players without weaknesses in their offense is everywhere. Offensive schemes are more advanced, and todays nba has better athletes.
@@markpagtama7954 I’m referring to the specific point made about the change in defensive rules he mentioned though. I’m not discounting the skill of players today, but it is also fact that the NBA has changed rules since the ‘00s to encourage more offense. Defense hasn’t kept up because Offense had been allowed to advance while defense hasn’t. Main point being, the offensive skill of players is only half the story.
@@SmittyWerbenJagermannJensen oh for sure, theres tons of factors. I dont think the rules is the biggest factor tho, not as much as shot selection and green light, the nba scoring boom happened in 2016, and the average ppg back in 2013 was lower than the average ppg back in 1995. I dont think theres much rule change that happened between 2013 and 2016. Curry and james harden happened.
@Cold Snap believe it or not the defense in the nba became waayy better the moment they removed hand checking and introduced zone defense, they did that in 04, the 2nd lowest scoring season of all time. Steel harpens steel.
ssur.cc/girlshotrqlwg Tenendo conto delle percentuali di successo, della costante crescita quantitativa e dell'ambito della nostra attivita, diventa necessario includere nel piano di produzione una serie di attivita straordinarie, tenendo conto di una serie di approcci standard. Naturalmente, un livello profondo di immersione richiede un'analisi dell'analisi dei modelli di comportamento esistenti. E anche i sostenitori del totalitarismo nella scienza, iniziato esclusivamente sinteticamente, sono stati resi pubblici. Non va dimenticato, tuttavia, che il costante sostegno alle nostre attivita contribuisce alla qualita di prospettive favorevoli. Para o mundo moderno, diluido em uma boa dose de empatia, o pensamento racional garante a relevancia do modelo de desenvolvimento. Assim como a metodologia de desenvolvimento moderna nao nos da escolha a nao ser definir o agrupamento de esforcos! E os paises em desenvolvimento ativo do terceiro mundo sao apenas um metodo de participacao politica e estao bloqueados dentro da estrutura de suas proprias restricoes racionais. De repente, elementos do processo politico serao identificados como candidatos ao papel de fatores-chave.
You mean the year he averaged 18% from 3 on 27.8 attempts per game? You want that guy playing like today and taking more 3s? Today’s era would prove most beneficial to players who were extent efficient but with limited chances from 3 and limited shot attempts per game, hence the mentions of Arenas, Nash, and Parker. Today’s era would not help the midrange jumper guys who are objectively not good at threes allowed to take as many shots as they wanted and resulted in taking 28 shots a game in their era. For the record, Curry’s 30 ppg season came from 20.2 FGA/game, meaning he had 1.5 points per shot. MJs 37 pt season? 1.3. Jordan was objectively a worse scorer, he just for damn near 40% more shots every game. Do me a favor and look at any player who’s won an MVP in the last decade, find their points/shot to find their overall efficiency, then multiply by 28 to scale them up to Jordan’s shot tendency. Just for an example KD in averages 43 ppg in 13-14 with 28 shots a game using this prorated method.
@@adidas20zero yeah, and driving to the hoop is objectively harder now. That’s why the 00’s saw less scoring than the 90’s. Driving was harder and threes weren’t common place. Zone defense allows PF and C to stay close to the paint without being called for illegal defense. The Bulls dynasty thrived in baiting defenses into committing illegal defense violations, and now that’s a weapon MJ would not have anymore. Player who drive to the hoop well in today’s game, what do they love more than anything? ISO 1v1 matchups, that’s ALL that was allowed in the 90s. MJ played in an era where every time he had the ball, he was in the situation that offenses today would love. MJ very seldom had C and Forward converging in him in the paint and when they did, it’s because he didn’t float the ball, but rather went for the down and around reverse layup which allowed defenders to come off their man. MJ said it himself after the 04 rule change, he hated zine defense and he couldn’t operate the same way because zone’s full intent is to limit stand out offensive stars
@@holdenfegan1613 Driving to the hoop harder now?? Hell no!!! It's easier, that is why they put in defensive 3 seconds to keep defenders from packing the lanes..Jordan would average 50!!!
Quite ironic considering the great Bill Russell is said that. I mean some defenders will say defense win games but he basically said that offense will always be the factor...
Or what about quarterbacks. Jameis Winston has a higher career passer rating than Dan Marino. Justin Herbert threw for more TDs in his rookie season than John Elway had in his single season high.
Maybe im old (37) but i liked the "old nba" .... it was a thinking man's sport with ball movement, bruising defense, let the big man go to work, let the SG run wild, let the PF enforce, let the PG set it up etc
what if in the future, the big man starts doing handles, playmaking and shooting a lot more than small ball players, will the competition be so high that only players above 6'5 make it to the nba? imagine a starting lineup with all the players above 6'8
@@dariusbrock2713 I'm pretty sure this sport will be so technical and skill based that big man will be rare, a 6'8 will almost never be as skilled as a 6'0/6'3, I can only imagine people starting become consistent with half court 3s and the game being completely exploited
@@malekagribi6284 lol then it would it completely change the meaning of the sport. the stereotype that tall guys should play basketball will die out if what you say happens. idk though, this pretty much is the best sport for tall people to thrive in
@@consciouscaleb5990 yeah the nba also works with the illumanati and also is planning to summon satan and all the players are aliens that were born from lebron james real former body that is now trapped in a mcdonalds
Faster pace mean nothing, its the number of field goal attempts that show you how a player would perform, because even if the pace was slower, players like Iverson, MJ and Kobe took way more shots pg than Lebron, KD or curry. In his prime between 98-99 and 04-05 when Iverson won 4 scoring title, he averaged 29.1 ppg, but with an efg% of .438 and 24.6 FGA pg. Now lets compare to 7 lebron season between 04-05 and 10-11 : Lebron averaged 28.7ppg, about the same as Iverson, but with an efg% of .522 and 20.8 FGA pg, so he was way more efficient and it was in the same era. So pace doesnt mean shit, its the same with MJ, he had an efg% of .509 and Lebron .542. So lebron averaged less ppg but he was far more efficient, Jordan career total is 32292 points and he did that with 24537 FGA, Lebron scored 32543 points between 03-04 and 18-19 on 23478 FGA, so Lebron scored 251 points more with 1059 less FGA. And you cant tell me its because of the era MJ was playing in because Shaq had an efg% of .582, Charles barkley an efg% of .558 and Karl malone had an efg% of .518, way more than Jordan, and you know why they were more efficient ? Because they were big and strong and scored a lot of dunk and lay up, just like Lebron . Between 85-86 and 2000-2001, Karl malone scored 32919points with 23122 FGA. So he scored 627 points more with 1415 FGA less. Karl malone was actually a better scorer than Jordan, just like Lebron, because averaging 27ppg on say 50 field goal attempts is better than averaging 30ppg on 60 FGA.
Imagine Allen Iverson in a 5 out spread offense Instead of Tyrone Hill and Mutumbo clogging the paint. He can break anyone off the dribble and was supremely quick and fast. He’d be a lot more efficient today.
Faster pace mean nothing, its the number of field goal attempts that show you how a player would perform, because even if the pace was slower, players like Iverson, MJ and Kobe took way more shots pg than Lebron, KD or curry. In his prime between 98-99 and 04-05 when Iverson won 4 scoring title, he averaged 29.1 ppg, but with an efg% of .438 and 24.6 FGA pg. Now lets compare to 7 lebron season between 04-05 and 10-11 : Lebron averaged 28.7ppg, about the same as Iverson, but with an efg% of .522 and 20.8 FGA pg, so he was way more efficient and it was in the same era. So pace doesnt mean shit, its the same with MJ, he had an efg% of .509 and Lebron .542. So lebron averaged less ppg but he was far more efficient, Jordan career total is 32292 points and he did that with 24537 FGA, Lebron scored 32543 points between 03-04 and 18-19 on 23478 FGA, so Lebron scored 251 points more with 1059 less FGA. And you cant tell me its because of the era MJ was playing in because Shaq had an efg% of .582, Charles barkley an efg% of .558 and Karl malone had an efg% of .518, way more than Jordan, and you know why they were more efficient ? Because they were big and strong and scored a lot of dunk and lay up, just like Lebron . Between 85-86 and 2000-2001, Karl malone scored 32919points with 23122 FGA. So he scored 627 points more with 1415 FGA less. Karl malone was actually a better scorer than Jordan, just like Lebron, because averaging 27ppg on say 50 field goal attempts is better than averaging 30ppg on 60 FGA.
@@Anthonydu01630 So that's why Malone has all those championship rings, because it's better right? I love you stat freaks who actually think a computer can tell you who's the better player.
This video just reinforces WHAT I've been saying. Without Steve Kerr, you don't get Steph Curry with the freedom to do what he does. Steve Kerr changed the game, because any other coach would have put Steph (and the rest of the team) in a role. Also, don't forget, the area the defense has to guard tight is now twice as big.
The amount of travels I see in one game is ridiculous. You see guys swinging the ball on the perimeter & they take extra steps all the time.... I won’t even get started with lebron & giannas
DEFENSE: More than 3 seconds inside the paint. Hand check (not push just check) Getting near a jump shooter landing. - All allowed back then. OFFENSE: Ball carry is strictly called Travel is strictly called Illegal screens are strictly called. -All very common today.
The problem with you old people is that you think only you can form thoughts about that era. We can watch full games of 90s NBA on youtube. th-cam.com/video/NQ1UldU1hJs/w-d-xo.html Here's a full Finals game between Suns and Bulls. Bulls defenders dont have lateral quickness. Undersized guard defends Jordan. Players dont jump as often to block shots. This doesnt look like Suns try to win at all. This doesnt look like a Finals game. I watched all these games from Jordan's 3 peat. There is no way it is more competitive than a preseason modern game. And the 80s is worse. Celtics and Lakers in the finals are just dudes standing up waiting for things to happen.
@@handlebucket6285 you also forgot that back then are Iso players now you actually have to fight a lot of screen, switch and open guys to shoot they don't just stand waiting for the ball to come to them players that can fill several role in court
I don't since he completely ignores the fact offensive rating has only moved by less then 5% in 15 years yet pace has increased by more than 10 percent... He's not using the correct numbers in the correct context so his hypothesis doesn't add up. Next the rebounds thing, the more 3s you take the more guards rebounds basic physics you throw the ball harder and faster so if it misses it has a much higher chance of hitting the outside of the key and past the centrer and pf
@@user-ju4ew6hn1i they tired to make it a rule but never took it serious so it continued. They took it seriously once Michael Jordan retired. They were scared of losing viewers due to MJ retiring so they heavily enforced no hand checking because hand checking meant more defense and more defense meant less high scoring games and perimeter players not easily getting their points
Steph Curry changed the game so much that he forced guys like Roy Hibbert and Joakim Noah out of the league and he forced guys like Brook Lopez and Blake Griffin who were before Currys dominance an good all star and a young superstar, to learn how to shoot just to stay relevant in the NBA
The game has become soft. The 89 Pistons would foul out in the first quarter of most games played today. Same thing is happening to the NFL. A premium has been put on offense. The Bad Boy Pistons and The Steel Curtain of the Steelers are long gone.
Offense highlights brings in viewership and money that's why. Would recommend European basketball if you are looking for a more traditional take on basketball, where defense is tighter because of less spacing from the shorter 3pt line.
facts. i started watching games this season for the first time in a few years and i was surprised to see players shooting deep threes with 18-20 seconds on the shot clock lol
Wasted possessions? You understand that a 33% 3 pt shooter is statistically identical to a 50% 2p shooter. Any player who is 33% from 3 is statistically wasting attempts by not taking 3s. The game just got smarter and realized a 20 ft 2 is useless and would rather take a 23.5 ft 3 with the same efficiency. Scoring is all about maximizing you attempts, and virtually every player’s 2 pt shot is maximized from extremely close range via dunk or layup, and virtually every player who takes 3s consistently scores more points/shot than even elite midrange shooters.
@@holdenfegan1613 here's the thing... Basketball isn't played in a vacuum, shots aren't taken in a vacuum. When games get tight, defenses are going to make scoring in the paint and from 3 much harder, and the best way to circumvent that is to be someone like kawhi or kd, who can create a midrange shot whenever they want/need to. Those guys are almost always gonna be better in playoffs/crunch situations than someone like harden who lives in the paint and from 3 but doesn't score from everywhere else. Just shooting 3s and layups/dunks is a great way to win in the regular season but I challenge you to find a team over the last 6 years who have won championships by only shooting 3s and layups/dunks.
@@ajdaking507 golden state won 3 rings taking more 3s than anyone else in history, with the driving force being Steph. The Heat won their two rings on mostly dunks and stiff from LeBron and Bosh with Wade taking mostly layups and threes but also some middies. The Cavs won with LeBron and Kyrie shooting 3s and close shots. Toronto won against a crippled team. And the Spurs had a dynasty and were just great all around. Other than that, the midrange game has vanished, even in the playoffs
The thing is, there are few specialists in the midrange. Remember, one of the greatest midrange shooters left in the league is DeMar DeRozan, leading the Spurs and putting up credible All-Star numbers but unable to push them to the playoffs this season or get an All-Star berth. When he led the Raptors with Lowry, they couldn't make it over the Cavaliers, none of whose stars focused on the midrange. Even an efficient, confident midrange shooter with good playmaking and court vision is fighting an uphill battle. Meanwhile, Lebron changed his game over the years to fit the league, dialing down his defensive intensity and developing an exterior shot. Lebron is, and was, a capable defender but defense is a less efficient use of energy with more risk of both injuries and fouls.
Except he was just about as good at threes as Anthony Davis. And he took more shots on average in his career than the 2020 shot attempts leader. MJ wouldnt have had more shots, and he definitely wouldn’t be taking more 3s
@@submarinefilms3523 perhaps, but that wouldn’t be winning basketball, high offense with piss poor defense. We literally already saw what happens in the rockets system, James Harden, even in his most offensively proficient season, couldn’t win. Jordan may have averaged a couple more ppg, but he still wouldn’t explode with extra offense, because it would get to the point where defenses would cheat to the inside to contain him. 33-34 ppg is just about the maximum a player can average while maintaining a usage% low enough to play team winning basketball
It’s actually an interesting contrast to soccer. I’d love to see a TIFO football collab with this topic. On the ball creativity has exponentially increased in both sports but given how multifunctional a player needs to be on the pitch compared to basketball, defense in football is forced to adapt in tandem with offense
I disagree with the on the ball creativity. All flair players/ great dribblers are almost all gone. Now that Messi is older, Neymar is prob the only one with those dribbling skills. The days of Pele, Maradona, Brazilian Ronaldo are gone
Name of the game in Football is perfect discipline and maximum effort into extremely explosive counter-attacks.. Think the first not that premiered but definitely mastered this concept is Joachim Loew back in 2006 :)
@@grinchoi1 I think that is not true at all. Firstly, Pele should not be on that list. Secondly, you just named two players from two different eras, so I'm not sure how that validates your argument that there were a lot of great dribblers back then. There are more great dribblers than ever now, but you would only discover them if you watch the game and follow multiple leagues, instead of just knowing the popular players.
@@VArsovski10 If you think Joachim Loew mastered this concept first, you are completely mad. That man is a fraud. Mourinho, just 2 years prior had won the UCL with that principle and perfected it. There are other examples throughout the history of football.
@@J7mmy2K04 Kobe averaged 35.4 ppg in 2006. He got a majority of his points that year from mid range jumpers and attacking the rim. Imagine his production if he played today
Easy solution. Allow hand checking and get rid of the defensive 3 second violation. Look at Europe, they still have team based play. There's a reason Doncic said it's easier to score in the NBA.
Curry is literally the definition of "it's either you die as a hero, or you live long enough to become the villain". When he reached his prime, everyone was praising him. But now, he made defense basically non-existent, making so many people angry at today's era due to the fact that everyone can score in the NBA, but the amount of people that are great at defense can be counted using your hands.
Even if curry never existed , the league was already on a uphill trend for volume threes after the successful 2011 Mavs , small ball 2012 - 2013 Heat , 2014 corner three spurs , etc the game was heading where it was today without curry, it just so happened to be 3-4 years earlier because of curry & warriors run. To give curry credit for “changing” the NBA is a misleading narrative , as it sounds simple but the numbers do not support it.
@@Chimpance7 the thing with defense is that it can’t be that much improved. Not in the same way as offense. In offense you’ll always find new ways to pass, be better at shooting, and be better at dribbling. But in defense you’re just gonna put your hand up and try not to get crossovered. Blocking is definitely gonna get harder as well since big guys are learning how to shoot (Bam, Embiid, Jokic, Vucevic etc)
Guys like Steve Nash, Mark Price and Bird would have been the players who benefited the most from today's game. Especially BIRD
@Anthony Davis 2K
@@uasakura 2ks trash and inaccurate
bird was too slow, he would suck.
Tony Kukoc, Vlade Divac, Jason Williams etc.
Reggie Miller?
You still miss the sax
Yep
for all yall who dont know. The sample(sax) in the beat has been copyrighted so even the producer doesnt hold the rights of the beat.
This is the actual song th-cam.com/video/X9qgI95n6rM/w-d-xo.html
Ya bet i do
I just want it in one more video for old times sake.
I literally just had a dream about the sax lol
Curry walked so the GOAT Joe Ingles could sprint
Lmao I'm dead 😂
Yessir 🔥🔥
Lmao 😂
Joe Ingles 🐐
*Joe Ingles walked so Caruso could run.
I feel like we just need to look at Chris Paul's career to see how much the game has changed
Please let it go what if don't mean shit no more
@@alsimmons9975 ?
@@alsimmons9975 ay yo what did you just say
@@alsimmons9975 ?
yup, and now he's the first player ever to reach both 20k points and 10k assists
Fast forward 50 years, people will be saying "well you played in the 20's. Everyone was putting up those numbers."
Orrrrr in 50 years, players be averaging 50 PPG
Points now are the Rebounds of the 60s
I can’t stand the fact that one day, we’ll be the old heads talking about how great our era was. Smh
And kids will treat Kyrie Irving like he’s Bob Cousy. They will talk about his handles are basic and primitive by 2050s standards.
@@Big_3000
It's gonna hurt knowing that
This video just proves how dominant MJ was in his time
Mj averaged 30 a game when teams only scored 90 Ltd a game. He would undoubtedly definitely average 43 a game in this era
@@jesusipina5941 he would average 20 ppg at the free throw line. Jordan can draw fouls nicely.
@@laurentbfree refs are way softer nowadays. MJ would create way more fouls if he was in this era.
@@laurentbfree whatever it takes to win games
@Dayshon Jennings “defence better now” 😂😭. Have you even watched basketball before?
Defense is no longer a viable option considering how referees call fouls at the smallest things.
Yep... Ref has made many games frustrating to watch...
Fax! I hate it so much
So what are the knicks doing that allows them to keep opponents avg a league low 104 ppg
It’s the players too bro, if u watch closely a lot of them cry cuz they don’t get the fouls. Jesus how the way offense is lookin in today’s game bring the hand checking rule back 💯💯
@@uselessman4066 direct shot at Luka
People aren't gonna recognize this but Kevin Love, believe it or not, deserves a lot of credit for starting the end of the "big man in the key" trope. He was probably one of the first 3-pt shooting centers.
Well he mostly played power forward for the timber wolves, but I think that PF’s like him and Ibaka(OKC days and series vs Spurs) began to change the role of big men as Ibaka especially proved how lethal it was to have a big man that could shoot in the playoffs. They were just so versatile and opened the paint for scorers like KD and Westbrook
So we acting like dirk nowitzki dont exist ???
@@giovannygarica275 DIRK NOWITZKI!!!! NO PF CHANGED HIS POSITION LIKE HE DID
I'm shocked how yall just ignored dirk who's 100000x better than love smh shame shame shame
Bill Laimbeer shot 36% from three in 1989.
The NBA has become "positionless" basketball. Boys we were playing positionless basketball at recess in school. The NBA has turned into a recess pickup game.
for real, all it is just shooting, rebounding, and maybe a couple assist now and then. No defense doe.
The mindset of the nba being a pickup no defense game is just stupid i bet even the 90s greatest defender scottie pippen would look like an amateur guarding jayson tatum. I watched the 90s I watched the todays too and so far todays the greatest talent ive ever seen
Because players nowadays have had the training to play multiple positions.... why are you complaining about players being pro af
Neo's arrival changed it all
@@midorimashintaro2613 If Scottie grew up in this era he would be better than Tatum he would be like a LeBron 2.0 without the high ppg and far better defense.
Arenas averaged 29 pts 15 years ago, he is definitely averaging 30+ right now.
He’s putting up comparable scoring numbers to Bradley Beal who’s averaging over 30 PPG the last two seasons.
Lebron averaged 31.4 in 2005 at 20 years old
Pace was like 90 back then now its around 100 so that would make sense the same goes for every player because the higher the pace the more you can shoot the more points you can score
@@lanice4428 and 3rd in scoring that year
He would be James harden basically
basically, the league started playing like how i play 2k
Good analogy
Playshots smh HAHAHAHA
With the sliders up ? 😃
2k just a giant simulation, so in theory the meta for 2k should be the theoretical future of the nba. Ie. The 5 out is the meta in proam and that is where we are heading in today’s nba
@@richarddorvil6674 man, i dont even know how to execute on-floor strategies like motion or iso. since I'm new, i just pick the hardest setting i could manage, random up the teams, use the visiting team, then pass around to get the best available player to drop the rock. the best i could do is alley-oop. cut me some slack man.
Defenses never catch up with ofenses because whenever they do, the NBA nerf it by changing the rules. See changes made right after Pistons championships in 90 and 04.
Agreed
Well to be fair the bad boys Pistons were practically assaulting the opponents during their games
3s opened up because defense got more relaxed. When they were able to start getting back to the hoop easier the big guys blew up and than the 3s opened up
You gotta remember that big guys only blew back up after the end of the hack a shaq era. Once that ended it opened the gates
Ahh man, the 04 pistons. The definition of the word TEAM.
That 2019 graph beat drop gave me such a crazy dopamine chill...
wait what's that background music it's dope.
Hello
Your videos are not good
@@tomek6132 why don’t u like him
@@tomek6132 i like his vids the intro is just too long
Watching games nowadays, makes me think of my bloated good-for-nothing coach in middle school who would bench me for shooting a 3, bc "point guards aren't supposed to shoot".
Did you make those 3s?
@@guersonlorient facts 🤣
My high school coach (2001-05) did not allow our team to take 3's from the corner because "that's the worst shot in basketball".......we were pretty much all benched for taking 3 point shots whether they went in or not.
But did u make em is the real question?
I got the Same but for big men. Even if I was hitting them.
obviously the most important detail is the 2018/19 season change of the shot clock reset from 24 to 14 on offensive rebounds, creating a huge difference in the amount of possessions (and of course shots) per game --- not sure why this stays under the radar and was not mentioned ---- yes there was a curve before then with the curry analytics era, but the 14 sec shot clock is what caused the real explosion
No. That should make them take bad shots and be unsuccessful.
@@cjr1881 Even if that was true it’s kinda like they’re going 10/15 instead of 7/10, sure a little less efficient but they have WAY more opportunities to score
After posting a similar comment to your comment I had to like and reply to you. Yes the main reason why we see higher scoring games is because of the shot clock resets to 14 seconds as opposed to 24 seconds after an offensive rebound. Resulting in the offensive rebounding team to put up a shot faster than back then.
I couldn't have said it better. Idk why he didn't mention that in the video. This is the biggest reason in my opinion.
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Players aren’t allowed to play defense, literally everything is a foul.
That plus players nowadays are more skilled and more athletic compared to the players of the past.
@@thatguyluis True, but that has nothing to do with how bad the referees are.
@@thatguyluis I agree but rakane got a point. Officiating is so inconsistent and it just seems to get worse by the year. I feel thats a big reason why defense isn’t nearly as prominent anymore
I agree.. imagine the FIBA rules gets implemented in the NBA today.. crazy
@Dayshon Jennings There’s no way you actually watch the games with that kind of logic
If you can't take your man iso and give him a hesi pullup, you're sent to the g-league🤣🤣🤣
Facts😭
Even the big men in today’s nba are 3 point specialist. Jokic, embiid, Ad, even Julius Randal only all star big guys that don’t shoot 3s are Zion and Giannis. And even they shoot 30% from deep. It’s nuts how much the nba has changed
@@igotnext930 Rudy Gobert would like a word with you
@@igotnext930 all because of Curry that man revolutionized basketball
Fax
Jxmy's TH-cam is the definition of quality over quantity..
This video makes what Jordan did even more amazing! He scored 37ppg in the hardest era to score ever. Imagine what he would have done in this inflated era
Wanna look at some real quality check this guy Jonny Arnett out that’s real quality over quantity lol much better than jmxy
@@killerninja6093 ik ur trying to start a conflict but it’s not gonna work lol
@@professionalcurrysexual9289 end of the day it’s just my opinion just check the dude out and you’ll see what I mean
@@killerninja6093 I’m literally subbed to him lol
Man I audibly laughed at that chart of 130+ point games at the end.
You just too good making these videos bro
Will Dawkins ever be free
Smack
how dat taste 👅
This is what the adjusted points and stats per generation was made. Scoring is saturated now with pace and the 3
the pace and the highest scoring games were in the 80s
Yup. It’s important to adjust for era and pace. For example, Wilt’s 50 PPG seasons, adjusts to about 28-29 pts/75.
@@ontop2324 *60s
@Jonathan Sainvil Nah, just worst defense.
@@ontop2324 80s is one of the fastest paced eras
I remember being in elementary school, and I was made the Center because of how tall I was. In our first team practice, and shot a jumper and it rattled in and out. Coach then chewed me out because I was shooting jumpers in practice when I’m playing Center. Lol. Pretty much sums up how times have changed 🤷♂️
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you need to collab with Jxmy
@@saadamjad87 I would certainly be down if Jxmy is down, but let’s be real, he would be doing me a huge favor. Lol
Your the 🐐
"Offensively skilled"
Noones allowed to get touched. Of course everyone's just gonna jab step now.
THANK YOU!!
It can only be one - LACK OF DEFENCE!!
"KD's too good to be stopped" ia a defeatist attitude
At any time in a game there are NINE people NOT touching the ball.... but apparently "basketball" is "what happens why I have the ball" (crossover dribble, shoot, dunk etc)!!!
'20ppg" but NO mention of "field goal percentage"...
Basketball isn’t a physical sport idk why you think that
Makes it even more crazy that mj was averaging 30ppg in the 90s......🐐
Wasn’t it in a faster paced year tho?
@@markibash2689 The NBA pace was quite fast in the 80s but was really low in the 90s and 2000s and nowadays is way higher than ever so not really
Whats more crazy are Kobe's numbers.His whole career until the achilles 96-2013 the leage PPG team average were on all time lows.Teams barely averaged more than 100.
But exactly before that period 80s and early 90s and exactly after his retirement until now teams averaged 105 to 110 PPG.
Prime MJ, Kobe, Iverson, Bird, and even McGrady would average over 40 PPG in this era
@@realniggashit3 that's an absolute fact
Thats why you adjust everything to inflation, including the NBA scores.
Where's wilt numbers fall under that?
Yeah u saw someone inflate kobes prime and he would average 40 ppg in todays NBA
The easiest way to say it, is that you could get more a lot of trouble in getting fouls being a defensive player than actually getting in trouble as an offense player. A true baller would know the feeling that if you even overly be defensive you will just be trapped and get fouled anyways. A true offense player would use a good defender to draw a lot of foul. That is basically why being offense player is more lethal this days is because they know the big flaws of defenders.
the only way of actually battling this is being more lenient on the fouls you can get while defending.
Russell Westbrook and James Harden would never have won MVP awards if they had played in the 90s.
*6"3 Westbrook couldn"t average 10-Rebounds per game and Triple Double per season.*
vs David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Alonzo Mourning, Dikembe Mutombo, Patrick Ewing, RODMAN.
and Shaquille O"Neal.
*6"5 James Harden - ( Terrible defensive, Flop, Travel ).*
In the 90s, it was disrespectful to the fans.
Facts. Kobe and T-Mac were dropping 40 when the final score was 80-90 something. Crazy.
At the same time they had to score that many points because their teams were very offensively deficient.
Like those squads that Kobe was on in 2005-06 or T-Mac was on in 2003 were atrocious. So naturally they had to take 25+ shots a game to keep their teams afloat. Their scoring went down once they had a legit 2nd option to play with.
Bruh
@@Terror832 No those teams seemed far worse because it was actually harder to get your shots off with limited spacing.
Just go play ball outside and say people can only shoot the ball within the perimeter.
You'll instantly notice how hard it gets, so now imagine that often 3 or 4 players in said teams not just rarely shot 3's but couldnt and people were actually allowed to handcheck guiding people away from their spots also.
@ If he took 30+ shots a game people would call him a ball hog like they did with James harden
While playing intense defense and while playing against other playing tougher defense before the NBA rule changes. This is why I hate when people just compare stats across eras - it’s almost apples & oranges, you have to have watched both then you can take the stats in their proper context.
Tony Kukoc was the Doncic of his time. If he was given the green light and was able to continue his Euro play instead of being forced to bulk up, he would've gone on a tear in today's game.
This video is literally Vsauce but for basketball lmao, especially with the graph at the end.
I think Nash would have had a fun time in our era tbh. A fast accurate shooter, who is pretty much the prototype Steph.
Nash was statistically the most accurate shooter ever until Steph came along.
Nash didn’t shoot much tho
@@Johenz You've got to be kidding. Steve Nash is one of only four players to ever shoot at least 50% from the field, 40% from from beyond the three-point line, and 90% from the line in a single season (in fact, he did it four times in his career). His 90.4% shooting on free throws was the basketball record until Steph Curry came along, his 43% career average for threes is the eighth-best in NBA history, he's in the top 10 all-time for threes made, and his Phoenix Suns teams of the mid-late 2000s led the league in field goal percentage. He was an undisputed god at shooting, and the numbers that prove it make you and your claim look as stupid as they are.
@@furioussherman7265 Nash didn’t shoot much reread that. never said he wasn’t efficient he just didn’t take many shots
@@furioussherman7265 you can shoot 100% from the field but if you’re only taking 10 shots a game it don’t matter
This is why u can’t compare players from different eras
Facts
Actually he compare the slowest era to the fastest era, imagine if he compared nowadays with the 80's or the 60's (who had the same amount of points or even more) or even the early 90's, ppl would understand that our era isn't that special in terms of scoring, specially if you take away that many 3's. Scoring is being exagerated by the 3's
That’s why Jordan the goat. Dude put up insane numbers in a defensive era
@@Justin683 weird way to spell lebron
@@BlondieACM Lebron didnt play in no tuff defensive era my guy he puts up numbers on a flopping era
Imagine what a young Deron williams would do in todays game, he was already putting up around 20 and 10 on near 50% from the field and 40% from 3.
He didnt do shit in 2017 finals.
@@casdomdomcas5214 keyword “young” Deron Williams. The D Will in his prime with the Jazz was killer and I think that D Will would be stupid fun to see play today’s game. He kinda went downhill after leaving utah unfortunately
@@carson2687 The kids don't know about the D Will of old. There was a few year stretch where he was arguably the best point guard in the NBA, dude was balling.
@@1missing got into an argument about this the other day, prime d will vs prime cp3
@@casdomdomcas5214 he was ancient
MJ would've developed a killer 3-point shot if the league valued 3's as highly as they do now back in the 90's. You can't tell me that someone with as maniacal a work ethic as MJ wouldn't have worked himself to death improving his long-range shot
If steve nash ran todays offense with this crazy pace, he'd be averaging something like 25ppg and 15apg while shooting 50/40/90
I can't even imagine what Stockton's assist numbers and steals would look like.
@@dusk6159 it won’t be far fetched to see Stockton averaging 20+ PPG.
He would have all the green light to shoot and score and was as accurate as Steve Nash.
Is Nash and iverson played in today’s nba man oh man they’d be fun to watch.
@@dusk6159 Stockton isn't nearly as good as nash, he do be racking up steals tho
You don't know basketball well then.
Steve Nash is more flashy than John Stockton.
But that does not make a player better.
John Stockton lead the NBA in assists 4 more times than Nash and did it with a weaker roster than what Nash did his.
Then he steals the ball way more and 2 more assists per game. So John Stockton creates more points per game than Nash.
Also Nash was just a average defender and John Stockton was a very good defender with 5 Defensive first teams. Nash has 0 Defensive awards.
Only things Nash got on Stockton is 3%, freethrow % and PPG. Rebounds.
If pro coaches had to pick they would mostly pick John Stockton.
He makes your team better at PG not just by passing and shooting. He also plays very good defense.
He will create 40 something points per game and lower the FG% of his opposing PG and create more points.
Nash would create alittle less and with a better roster of players. Plus play average defense.
Jxmy: the league is about people that good at offense
Draymond Green: I took that personal
Wait you think Draymond has a low impact on the offence or were you just not thinking while writing that joke?
@@CycloPioneer i think he was just saying Draymond does a ton on defense
I mean draymond is decent, but not amazing, offensively. He is a terrific playmaker. I don’t know wtf happened to his shot tho. In 2016 he shot like 40% from 3 and 50% overall. Something happened and he forgot how to play
@@CycloPioneer exactly he said scoring not offense🤦🏽♂️
@@lik7953 man he shot 38% from 3 in 2016 it’s like KD took all his powers
4:19 u didn't have to do giannis like that😭😭
Dang thanks for all the likes❤
fax😂😂😭
yeah
He always does people dirty but on the low😭
that was perfect xd
Let’s be honest. Without a consistent jumpshot, he will never be great
Prime Sprewell would DEMOLISH zones today I can't
You forgot to mention the main fact tho. PLAYING DEFENSE IS A FOUL NOW
Let's these guys play in the pistons bad boy era rules and teams and they'd wilt.
@@whatisahandle_69 100%
Kyle Picard They wouldn’t be able to keep up lol. Clotheslining people you can’t guard isn’t basketball
@@Kdsmoovedab Given the same training standards as today's players (same routine, level of knowledge on training and medical care) I think you would be surprised. Today's game is boring to watch by comparatively regardless 🤷♂️
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Next 20 years, we gonna be guarding full court shots from taking place.. 😭😭
Except they won't bother to guard 'em for fear of getting a foul called.
I'd like to see 'em change back to a more balanced game, but I think it's more likely they'll put in a 4 and 5 point shot, to get those scores even higher.
Hell, if popularity is as simple as just having higher scores, make baskets worthy 20, long shots worth 30 and free throws worth 5. And then, shots from half court get ya 40! Scores in the 2 and 3 thousand range!! "And the Lakers pulled away from the Pelicans tonight 2,394 to 2,245. The Pels stayed within a hundred until the Lakers nailed consecutive 40 pointers late in the 4th."
I won't be watching though.
@@Trollificusv2
I see where you’re coming from, but having high numbers in the double digits for a single bucket is ridiculously unnecessary. The popularity that comes from ranged shooters, comes from their frequent ability to hit those shots. The three is only a one point difference, and yet, is a very intimidating and dangerous shot, because, shooters who can make low percentage shots (being farther away from the basket), become a threat to players who can only score shots from the two or in the paint. And due to that fact, the numbers slowly start racking up and eventually create a confident lead if there is not a stop to the 3 point shot/play.
Not if there's proper defence, the NBA doesn't even know what a full court press is anymore ?, and bring back hand checking.
Yup
@@Trollificusv2 yup
And then u realize that Jordan was averaging 35 30 years ago🥶
86-87 he averaged 37 and some people say he wouldnt make 40 a game for a season
@@diovo1127 To be fair, the 80s were a very high-scoring decade.
and then you realize that wilt averaged 50.4 point back in the day jordansexuals
@@albe8828 yeah with plumbers
It really blows me how this generation just doesn’t understand how goated Jordan was. It’s disrespectful and it shows how much people really don’t watch nor understand basketball 🤷🏾♀️🥱
One of the reasons I really like Kwahi Leonard aka The Claw. He's a Jordan era throwback that has an all-around game and defense prowess. A true GOAT set of skills. He sadly fell into the team-hopping trap so prevalent today which diminishes his ability to be the building block of a dynasty team.
He was a much better fit with a PG of that style like lowry which has pass first in mind also.
Yeah he only went to Toronto to get a championship, but the only reason he went to the clippers is to stay at home so I doubt anytime soon he’s gonna leave just to go to the nets or smthn
@@hunterlacey5422 he got traded to Toronto
kwahi?
Jacking up midrange jumpshots won't win a you a series against scoring teams in today's era. That's why if MJ would play in today's era, he would need to work on his 3s coz he can't just attempt 30 midrange a game and expect to outscore his opponents without shooting 3s.
The difference now is that it’s a shooters league. More defensive fouls, less aggressive defense allowed, etc. Prime kobe or mj in this league would absolutely dominate scoring 35+ ppg.
Or, alternatively, they would look more human in the face of more and more players also possessing elite offensive abilities.
undisputable that kobe & jordan would have seasons with 35+ ppg
but more defensive fouls though? the average is lower than in kobes & jordans era…
@@henryparker8779 I'd be curious to see jimmy run these numbers using the same formula as with Arenas, Stojakovich, etc.
So does James Harden, so scoring 35 pts isn't really dominating
Reggie Miller and Allan Houston are averaging at least 25+ in today’s 3 point centric NBA
Imagine what prime Shaq would do against today’s small ball centers.
I'll always remember you, JxmyHighroller... whenever I see a chart
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There's a garnett quote where he said his generation couldn't play in todays game
KG contradicted himself a lot in that post.
@@Terror832 i would like to tell you that you should go too sleep mr crankee
So true. The NBA is so soft now
Yeah but i think it'd be hard for most players to just be dropped in another generation
KG would break these kids feelings now a days
Today’s average player may be more overall offensively skilled than the 90s/00s, but a lot of offensive skills have become lost. Post-up game and high-post and midrange was bread and butter in that era. How many of today’s so-called “skilled bigs” have back to the basket post up game? Not many.
@WorldFlex If that's true I don't see them being used. I rarely see back to the basket postups, which should be one of the easiest highest percentage shots in the game. It was routine in the 90s to get the ball in to your center and let him go to work. I don't see that kind of offense.
This video is awesome
You are awesome
No, you're breathtaking
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This guy knows nothing about baseball and has all the fair weather basketball fans believes this foolishness
@@amaddenmind4597 he's literally just showing stats
So... Flight was right: "the impact of Steph Curry is like someone who invented electricity"
Well yeah but how you not know who Ben Franklin is.
@@jamesmathew6164 Ben Franklin didn't invent electricity he discovered it.
@@GameChanger-xi4iy Ik
@Jhn 25 Correction he did best and did it at an insane accuracy
@Jhn 25 What mid-40s, he is 32
Video starts at 0:00
Your welcome
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You the goat bruh, thanks
Reminder the NBA in the early 1980's had scorelines similar to today. You had one game where both teams had over 180 points and this was before the 3 point line.
I remember
It’s often forgotten by old heads who like to call the moder era “soft” that during the 60s, 70s and 80s the pace of the game and scoring could get absurd. It was only during the 90s and 2000s when the game was grounded down to a halt
@@enthusiastofcute
I'm an old head, and I call it soft because the touch fouls and all the technicals/flagrants that are called too easily which led to flopping.
The high scoring thing isn't that much of an issue if they let defenders play physical defense again.
@@DemonKing-oi4jd thats all I ask for: let the players be more physical on defense. This would highly limit players ability to score (obviously) but I would love to see hand-checking return. Of course players nowadays are more skilled than ever before but its easy for all the stars in today’s game to score at high levels bc the defense isn’t really that physical or tenacious. Not their fault of course but I just wish more things could be done in that regard
@Trippinator Machine as a current player I would hand checks because I average 3-4 fouls a game until quite recently
Why go to math class or a statistic course when Jxmy can give it to you in a 20min video? 🙌🙌
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@@marcusjohnson6121 y u change your picture
Adam sliver made the rules so the offense can be highlighted, offense sells, dunks and ankle breakers bring in more money than lockdown defense
This.
Ya but it is getting unwatchable they need to get rid of being able to jump into the defense and get free throws
Adam silver ruined the nba and maybe even team has basketball. In a few years when players like trae are leading the team they will struggle when their bs jump into the player to get a foul doesn't work
@@quentinrodehaver4433 No one watches. At best..I watch the occasional highlight clip.
His theory killed the game. The ratings are trash because the games are unwatchable trash. If I want to see running..shooting, and dunking..with terrible defense..I can go to any park.
This guy is the vsauce of basketball
Or is he?
@@foolishspecialist7479 **vsauce music plays**
Magic Johnson wouldve rekt, hes Giannis with playmaker badges.
Magic cant shoot and was a bad perimeter defender, he would be a pf or center today.
This is why the 2000 San Antonio were regarded as "Boring"
No, in the 2010s mainly they adopted the 3, obviously they were shooting before just not as much. It's just that the Poppovich-Duncan era was all about fundamentals, teamwork, and efficiency. But I see why you got that wrong.
Faster pace mean nothing, its the number of field goal attempts that show you how a player would perform, because even if the pace was slower, players like Iverson, MJ and Kobe took way more shots pg than Lebron, KD or curry. In his prime between 98-99 and 04-05 when Iverson won 4 scoring title, he averaged 29.1 ppg, but with an efg% of .438 and 24.6 FGA pg.
Now lets compare to 7 lebron season between 04-05 and 10-11 : Lebron averaged 28.7ppg, about the same as Iverson, but with an efg% of .522 and 20.8 FGA pg, so he was way more efficient and it was in the same era.
So pace doesnt mean shit, its the same with MJ, he had an efg% of .509 and Lebron .542. So lebron averaged less ppg but he was far more efficient, Jordan career total is 32292 points and he did that with 24537 FGA, Lebron scored 32543 points between 03-04 and 18-19 on 23478 FGA, so Lebron scored 251 points more with 1059 less FGA.
And you cant tell me its because of the era MJ was playing in because Shaq had an efg% of .582, Charles barkley an efg% of .558 and Karl malone had an efg% of .518, way more than Jordan, and you know why they were more efficient ? Because they were big and strong and scored a lot of dunk and lay up, just like Lebron .
Between 85-86 and 2000-2001, Karl malone scored 32919points with 23122 FGA.
So he scored 627 points more with 1415 FGA less.
Karl malone was actually a better scorer than Jordan, just like Lebron, because averaging 27ppg on say 50 field goal attempts is better than averaging 30ppg on 60 FGA.
@@Anthonydu01630 so Karl Malone the GOAT.
@@Anthonydu01630 you forgot to take into consideration that lebron's points mostly come 3 feet from the rim so of course he will jave a better efg%..
@@ACIMRobert he said the 2000 not 2010. And yeah the 2000 spurs was extremely boring. If you think the 2000 spurs was playing the same beautiful basketball they were playing in the 2010 then you're wrong. Duncan iso was their main action at the time
This is fax, The 20th Person in scoring this year(Paul George) is averaging 24....7 years ago that was good enough to be the 5th leading scorer which was Anthony Davis😭
In the 2003-2004 season 24ppg was good enough to be second in the league. Peja, Garnett, and Kobe
Players became supermen in just 5 years. Silly video. The defensive play is getting worse every year.
*This is why 6"1 Trae Young ( age 21 ) can average 30-ppg.*
*In the 90s, even Shaquille O"Neal barely averaged 30-ppg.*
3:45 bruh dude just stood there and watched the guy take a shot lmao
He was like why don't you guard me? 😅
Well that whiteside,and he isnt known for being discipline at defence
That's whiteside for you lol
The fact you didn’t know that was Whiteside destroyed your backbone
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This might be a hot take, but I don't think defence in the NBA has gotten worse, it's just that offence has become exponentially better and will always be one step ahead of defence so defence can never keep up. They adapt to one thing and the next game that player has another move that they have to adapt too
That’s a valid take
At what expense? You really think offensive charges are being called now compared to the 70-90's? Heck you can even place your forearm on your defender without being called. What else? carries? travel interpretations?
@@exgeeinteractive while yes the game is a lot less physical now than in the 70-90s era, this means that players have to be more creative in their ways to score, meaning defence is a reactionary act and can never keep up, while I agree it was easier to defend in the 70s-90s because of the physicality, means it’s harder to defend now, not that defence has gotten worse, the rules are more offence based
@@jacobknock6559 that's what the video was saying on the first place, when the general rule is favoring offensive output, players in this era tend to sleep on their defensive assignments, unless of course we're talking about the playoffs when foul calls are less prevalent and physical plays are more apparent.
Again, at what cost. Viewership. nuff said. But at least they started the 2021 season ignoring excessive foul drawings and phantom calls, so it's a start.
I would like to take my credit for inventing "postionless" basketball 15+ years ago with my franchise on NBA2k. A team full of quicker players between 6'5" and 6"10 who could all shoot the three. Thank you. I'm glad the NBA was taking notes
@Dichang Feng cry
Truly ahead of the curve
@Dichang Feng Fr. People seem to forget the nba is an entertainment corp. They introduce rules which boost entertainment factor, not necessarily good basketball factor.
I guess this is what old folks mean when they say they miss “real basketball”. I definitely would rather see the tactical sport of basketball.
you ever watched the playoffs? lmao
Watch euroleague bro. Everyone is a good defender and it's very team ball
watch Raptors games, theres a big reason the celtics raps bubble playoffs was soo good and every NBA player was watching games 6 and 7 and tweeting about it
Did you not watch the bubble playoffs??
Faster pace mean nothing, its the number of field goal attempts that show you how a player would perform, because even if the pace was slower, players like Iverson, MJ and Kobe took way more shots pg than Lebron, KD or curry. In his prime between 98-99 and 04-05 when Iverson won 4 scoring title, he averaged 29.1 ppg, but with an efg% of .438 and 24.6 FGA pg.
Now lets compare to 7 lebron season between 04-05 and 10-11 : Lebron averaged 28.7ppg, about the same as Iverson, but with an efg% of .522 and 20.8 FGA pg, so he was way more efficient and it was in the same era.
So pace doesnt mean shit, its the same with MJ, he had an efg% of .509 and Lebron .542. So lebron averaged less ppg but he was far more efficient, Jordan career total is 32292 points and he did that with 24537 FGA, Lebron scored 32543 points between 03-04 and 18-19 on 23478 FGA, so Lebron scored 251 points more with 1059 less FGA.
And you cant tell me its because of the era MJ was playing in because Shaq had an efg% of .582, Charles barkley an efg% of .558 and Karl malone had an efg% of .518, way more than Jordan, and you know why they were more efficient ? Because they were big and strong and scored a lot of dunk and lay up, just like Lebron .
Between 85-86 and 2000-2001, Karl malone scored 32919points with 23122 FGA.
So he scored 627 points more with 1415 FGA less.
Karl malone was actually a better scorer than Jordan, just like Lebron, because averaging 27ppg on say 50 field goal attempts is better than averaging 30ppg on 60 FGA.
Its really simple.. They arent aloud to play defense nowdays, everything is a foul... Plus flop city.
Nah its just magnets
Less fouls per game now than when Jordan plaued
@@lukeeden5118 It’s not about the amount of fouls called, it’s about how a foul in the old era is considered a flagrant or technical in todays era.
NBA want to sell it and make it easier...
@@timeflies313 ''Old era'' which of course doesn't belong to the 90s, I hope you're aware of that.
After the 80s, the NBA cracked down on all of that and, especially, treated MJ specially.
This is why Jordan averaging 30s in the 90s was different he would average 40 with ease with this defence.
Wilt averaged 50 in a season where the defense was even tougher than what Jordan faced.
@@seinfan9 he was a good play Greta in that fact, but he could dunk without even tip toeing. The guy was massive and was towering over everyone else.
@@seinfan9 wilt played against janitors
He wouldn’t average 40 stop the cap
@@Johenz you right 50
James Harden be traveling more than southwest airlines lol
That is saying nothing in 2021 :p
@@sylpha51 lol true
You thought that was funny huh
@@desmondgant101 maybe. Just maybe 👀
The moment I saw the refs accepting the step back I stopped taking NBA seriously.
Plus most of the spin moves that you showed would have been called travelling 10-15 years ago. There is a lot more ball carries as well that go unpunished, or arent considered a carry, and the concept of the zero step has been stretched to its limits. Factor in that there is no handchecking allowed in the perimeter and there you have it.
Bingo. Start enforcing travelling and watch the scores go down somewhat. JxmyHighroller your analysis is great, but Raest brings up a really, really important few points that factor in
Zone defense wasn’t aloud back then either so kinda equals out
@@OKden2065 it isn’t going to happen though, to the average viewer big number and more dunks = cool I’m gonna watch more.
It isn’t nearly as competitive and is incredibly one sided. Defense is almost non existent in this era, I hope they do more about it soon but it will inevitably cause points to go down and stats to go down for shooters which to most normies will look like the game is slowing down or getting more boring.
@@collinslogan01 yep, many young stars like ja morant would struggle in the euroleague because of the stricter implementation of the rules. If you can do a flashy dunk, the refs won't care about the travel.
100 percent agree with the handchecking element. Video talks about "defensive effort is at an all-time low" but fouls get called for such minor contact, just playing defense can get you in foul trouble.
Do more "what his Stat would be now" videos... Julius Erving, Mehmet Okur, Brandon Roy, Allen Iverson, etc...
I disagree, go watch the spurs and what they're doing with that roster. They play real defensive.
Jxmy: and that man, was Joe Ingles.
Me: YAAASSSSSSS!!!
Joe is the GOAT!!
Jingles is the damn MAN bruh lol
Curry is so inspirational man, made everyone wanna be like him
As a shaq type big man i dont like the new nba cause 3 pointer is my worst feature
@@David-ew9gd you can play in Europa
@@David-ew9gd tbh seeing people make half court shots is just as satisfying as a poster, maybe even more lol. I love the NBA rn it’s like a game of trick shots lol. Steph really revolutionized the game, not just the NBA the GAME! Everyone wants to shoot like Curry nowadays.
@@burcopresents facts man, curry is the most important player of the decade easily
@@David-ew9gd get your skills up big man
Thank you for giving a well educated take. Instead of “DeFeNsE bAd”
The fouls have gotten worse as well
@@marcusmvpgoat1236 not really people have literally always said that. Did you know the amount of free throw attempts have gone down over the years? It’s just offense has gotten so efficient that defense can’t respond, defense is an analytics game and hard to prepare for a team that can do anything
@@peewee130946 they changed the rules to make it easier for offenses Earlier eras still have defenses that are more physical and more difficult to score on. Rule changes have been designed to allow players to score more. The hand check being abolished in 2004 was met with an immediate increase in nearly every offensive stat. However, a rule change does not alter a defense’s ability, and does not make a defense softer than an earlier generation. That defense is just playing in the set of rules they were given.
If hand checking returned, we would surely see a decrease in scoring. But despite being a sport, the NBA is a business, and their business is entertainment. Fans do not get a rise out of seeing LeBron James being hand checked and forced into a poor mid-range shot. Consumers of the brand love seeing James drive to the basket and capitalize with an exciting dunk. These rules were designed to allow that.
@@marcusmvpgoat1236 what you just said has literally nothing to do with what I said. You just pivoted so hard off of your original point. Also they didn’t change the rules to make it easier on offense they changed the rules because hand checking should have been a foul in the first place. Also the 90s and 80s era where horrible eras of basketball defensively players only knew how to punch and push instead of actually play defense.
@@peewee130946 the game is less physical so its easier to score they changed rules to make scoring easier for fans
Rama Bell’s point seemed to be more about rules preventing you form playing defense. Not just the skill of players.
Watch that whole interview, he really meant skill of the players. And hes right, this era of the nba has been the most skilled of all time, jokic is basically a 7 foot larry bird, giannis is almost 7 foot, can guard anybody, has the handles of a point guard, and dominates in the paint like shaq, dame can torch you from the logo, lebron is karl malone and john stockton combined, curry needs to be double teamed the moment he enters half court, KAT is doing stepback threes as a 7 footer and is hitting 40% of them and is not even considered as a top 10 player today, kyrie is ai with a 3pt shot, i dont even know what kevin durant is.
The amount of 3 level scorers today is just ridiculous, players without weaknesses in their offense is everywhere. Offensive schemes are more advanced, and todays nba has better athletes.
@@markpagtama7954 I’m referring to the specific point made about the change in defensive rules he mentioned though.
I’m not discounting the skill of players today, but it is also fact that the NBA has changed rules since the ‘00s to encourage more offense. Defense hasn’t kept up because Offense had been allowed to advance while defense hasn’t.
Main point being, the offensive skill of players is only half the story.
@@SmittyWerbenJagermannJensen oh for sure, theres tons of factors. I dont think the rules is the biggest factor tho, not as much as shot selection and green light, the nba scoring boom happened in 2016, and the average ppg back in 2013 was lower than the average ppg back in 1995. I dont think theres much rule change that happened between 2013 and 2016. Curry and james harden happened.
@WorldFlex 80s was worse defensively. The highest fg% in nba history.
@Cold Snap believe it or not the defense in the nba became waayy better the moment they removed hand checking and introduced zone defense, they did that in 04, the 2nd lowest scoring season of all time. Steel harpens steel.
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Imagine adjusting Jordan’s year where he averaged 37 ppg to today’s era😳
50 this era!!!
You mean the year he averaged 18% from 3 on 27.8 attempts per game? You want that guy playing like today and taking more 3s? Today’s era would prove most beneficial to players who were extent efficient but with limited chances from 3 and limited shot attempts per game, hence the mentions of Arenas, Nash, and Parker. Today’s era would not help the midrange jumper guys who are objectively not good at threes allowed to take as many shots as they wanted and resulted in taking 28 shots a game in their era. For the record, Curry’s 30 ppg season came from 20.2 FGA/game, meaning he had 1.5 points per shot. MJs 37 pt season? 1.3. Jordan was objectively a worse scorer, he just for damn near 40% more shots every game. Do me a favor and look at any player who’s won an MVP in the last decade, find their points/shot to find their overall efficiency, then multiply by 28 to scale them up to Jordan’s shot tendency. Just for an example KD in averages 43 ppg in 13-14 with 28 shots a game using this prorated method.
@@holdenfegan1613 Todays game MJ would not shoot volume 3s, they would not keep him out the paint. 37ppg would be no problem for him!!!!
@@adidas20zero yeah, and driving to the hoop is objectively harder now. That’s why the 00’s saw less scoring than the 90’s. Driving was harder and threes weren’t common place. Zone defense allows PF and C to stay close to the paint without being called for illegal defense. The Bulls dynasty thrived in baiting defenses into committing illegal defense violations, and now that’s a weapon MJ would not have anymore. Player who drive to the hoop well in today’s game, what do they love more than anything? ISO 1v1 matchups, that’s ALL that was allowed in the 90s. MJ played in an era where every time he had the ball, he was in the situation that offenses today would love. MJ very seldom had C and Forward converging in him in the paint and when they did, it’s because he didn’t float the ball, but rather went for the down and around reverse layup which allowed defenders to come off their man. MJ said it himself after the 04 rule change, he hated zine defense and he couldn’t operate the same way because zone’s full intent is to limit stand out offensive stars
@@holdenfegan1613 Driving to the hoop harder now?? Hell no!!! It's easier, that is why they put in defensive 3 seconds to keep defenders from packing the lanes..Jordan would average 50!!!
"The game always has, and always will be, about BUCKETS" - Bill Russell
But no one wants to watch a game of horse.and that’s what it’s turning into.
Mic dropped
Quite ironic considering the great Bill Russell is said that. I mean some defenders will say defense win games but he basically said that offense will always be the factor...
@@kabagemayannick5097 (Bill Russell out !)
And by the way, where u from homie? Congo, rdc, Rwanda? I recognize a motherland brother man
@Karl Pimentel maybe swap the dunk contest with HORSE in All star weekend
It's just weird to think that malik beasley, Jerami Grant and Terry rozier are averaging more points then Nash ever did
Jerami Grant is so tuff tho
That’s crazy
Beasley is a bucket
Or what about quarterbacks.
Jameis Winston has a higher career passer rating than Dan Marino.
Justin Herbert threw for more TDs in his rookie season than John Elway had in his single season high.
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Maybe im old (37) but i liked the "old nba" .... it was a thinking man's sport with ball movement, bruising defense, let the big man go to work, let the SG run wild, let the PF enforce, let the PG set it up etc
I'm afraid of the day when I ask my 16-year old grandson what position he is and he says “whats a position”😔
"what do you mean if I play the 5? I only know about shooting the 3"
what if in the future, the big man starts doing handles, playmaking and shooting a lot more than small ball players, will the competition be so high that only players above 6'5 make it to the nba? imagine a starting lineup with all the players above 6'8
@@dariusbrock2713 I'm pretty sure this sport will be so technical and skill based that big man will be rare, a 6'8 will almost never be as skilled as a 6'0/6'3, I can only imagine people starting become consistent with half court 3s and the game being completely exploited
@@malekagribi6284 lol then it would it completely change the meaning of the sport. the stereotype that tall guys should play basketball will die out if what you say happens. idk though, this pretty much is the best sport for tall people to thrive in
@@malekagribi6284 yooo imagine 😂
It is always a good day when jimmy high roller posts
Typo jxmyhighroller
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Even better when the video is 19 minutes long
Yes fr tho
Refs making bogus calls that’s why there’s not a lot of defense
Facts u can’t get close to a man if u breath on em it’s a foul man
NBA has magnetic rims to enforce buckets. The games are scripted and acted out. It’s entertainment for money
@@consciouscaleb5990 Gald I’m not the only one that know
@@consciouscaleb5990 yeah the nba also works with the illumanati and also is planning to summon satan and all the players are aliens that were born from lebron james real former body that is now trapped in a mcdonalds
@@youngcarti541 me too🤣🤣🤙
and now Giannis’s jumper is looking more solid than ever before
Guys get called for a defensive foul when their hands are behind their back. That’s why games are so high scoring smh
Yeah, he conveniently ignored what Raja Bell said about not being able to play defense.
There’s actually less fouls now then there was when Jordan played so take that as you will
Jordan scored 37ppg on the hanchecking era. What defense?
Faster pace mean nothing, its the number of field goal attempts that show you how a player would perform, because even if the pace was slower, players like Iverson, MJ and Kobe took way more shots pg than Lebron, KD or curry. In his prime between 98-99 and 04-05 when Iverson won 4 scoring title, he averaged 29.1 ppg, but with an efg% of .438 and 24.6 FGA pg.
Now lets compare to 7 lebron season between 04-05 and 10-11 : Lebron averaged 28.7ppg, about the same as Iverson, but with an efg% of .522 and 20.8 FGA pg, so he was way more efficient and it was in the same era.
So pace doesnt mean shit, its the same with MJ, he had an efg% of .509 and Lebron .542. So lebron averaged less ppg but he was far more efficient, Jordan career total is 32292 points and he did that with 24537 FGA, Lebron scored 32543 points between 03-04 and 18-19 on 23478 FGA, so Lebron scored 251 points more with 1059 less FGA.
And you cant tell me its because of the era MJ was playing in because Shaq had an efg% of .582, Charles barkley an efg% of .558 and Karl malone had an efg% of .518, way more than Jordan, and you know why they were more efficient ? Because they were big and strong and scored a lot of dunk and lay up, just like Lebron .
Between 85-86 and 2000-2001, Karl malone scored 32919points with 23122 FGA.
So he scored 627 points more with 1415 FGA less.
Karl malone was actually a better scorer than Jordan, just like Lebron, because averaging 27ppg on say 50 field goal attempts is better than averaging 30ppg on 60 FGA.
@@Anthonydu01630 You're just looking at individual stats. Look at the team stats instead and see if a faster pace doesn't really affect anything.
Basically the league plays like how I use to play basketball video games: do everything. Score score score.
You were a visionary 💯
true. when i play nba2K back in 06 i just give the ball all the time to kobe or dirk and it's easy buckets.
Iverson would have been killer in todays game. He excelled the faster the pace of a game got.
Imagine Allen Iverson in a 5 out spread offense
Instead of Tyrone Hill and Mutumbo clogging the paint.
He can break anyone off the dribble and was supremely quick and fast. He’d be a lot more efficient today.
Faster pace mean nothing, its the number of field goal attempts that show you how a player would perform, because even if the pace was slower, players like Iverson, MJ and Kobe took way more shots pg than Lebron, KD or curry. In his prime between 98-99 and 04-05 when Iverson won 4 scoring title, he averaged 29.1 ppg, but with an efg% of .438 and 24.6 FGA pg.
Now lets compare to 7 lebron season between 04-05 and 10-11 : Lebron averaged 28.7ppg, about the same as Iverson, but with an efg% of .522 and 20.8 FGA pg, so he was way more efficient and it was in the same era.
So pace doesnt mean shit, its the same with MJ, he had an efg% of .509 and Lebron .542. So lebron averaged less ppg but he was far more efficient, Jordan career total is 32292 points and he did that with 24537 FGA, Lebron scored 32543 points between 03-04 and 18-19 on 23478 FGA, so Lebron scored 251 points more with 1059 less FGA.
And you cant tell me its because of the era MJ was playing in because Shaq had an efg% of .582, Charles barkley an efg% of .558 and Karl malone had an efg% of .518, way more than Jordan, and you know why they were more efficient ? Because they were big and strong and scored a lot of dunk and lay up, just like Lebron .
Between 85-86 and 2000-2001, Karl malone scored 32919points with 23122 FGA.
So he scored 627 points more with 1415 FGA less.
Karl malone was actually a better scorer than Jordan, just like Lebron, because averaging 27ppg on say 50 field goal attempts is better than averaging 30ppg on 60 FGA.
@@Anthonydu01630 So that's why Malone has all those championship rings, because it's better right? I love you stat freaks who actually think a computer can tell you who's the better player.
Zel yea buddy ain’t never hopped before n it shows
@@waanb4312 Now he's gonna come at you claiming how he plays every day and that he's been watching NBA since the 80s even though he started in 2014.
This video just reinforces WHAT I've been saying. Without Steve Kerr, you don't get Steph Curry with the freedom to do what he does. Steve Kerr changed the game, because any other coach would have put Steph (and the rest of the team) in a role.
Also, don't forget, the area the defense has to guard tight is now twice as big.
Don't forget the added illegal offensive moves and "gather steps" lol 😆
Crab dribble rule...from 2009.
if you don't understand the game just say that
@Mark Warner false. People just didn’t use moves like the euro step which highlights it
The amount of travels I see in one game is ridiculous. You see guys swinging the ball on the perimeter & they take extra steps all the time.... I won’t even get started with lebron & giannas
@Umb O yup
Conclusion: bring back physicality.
Yes
DEFENSE:
More than 3 seconds inside the paint.
Hand check (not push just check)
Getting near a jump shooter landing.
- All allowed back then.
OFFENSE:
Ball carry is strictly called
Travel is strictly called
Illegal screens are strictly called.
-All very common today.
I wonder what a prime jordan who averaged 37 ppg in a season would average today 🤔
Jordan's competition was weak.
@Dayshon Jennings You know nothing about basketball
@@838WE7O6A You know nothing about that era if you think that
The problem with you old people is that you think only you can form thoughts about that era. We can watch full games of 90s NBA on youtube. th-cam.com/video/NQ1UldU1hJs/w-d-xo.html
Here's a full Finals game between Suns and Bulls. Bulls defenders dont have lateral quickness. Undersized guard defends Jordan. Players dont jump as often to block shots. This doesnt look like Suns try to win at all. This doesnt look like a Finals game. I watched all these games from Jordan's 3 peat. There is no way it is more competitive than a preseason modern game. And the 80s is worse. Celtics and Lakers in the finals are just dudes standing up waiting for things to happen.
@@handlebucket6285 you also forgot that back then are Iso players now you actually have to fight a lot of screen, switch and open guys to shoot they don't just stand waiting for the ball to come to them players that can fill several role in court
I really, really, appreciate that stat conversion adjusted for today’s average.
I don't since he completely ignores the fact offensive rating has only moved by less then 5% in 15 years yet pace has increased by more than 10 percent... He's not using the correct numbers in the correct context so his hypothesis doesn't add up. Next the rebounds thing, the more 3s you take the more guards rebounds basic physics you throw the ball harder and faster so if it misses it has a much higher chance of hitting the outside of the key and past the centrer and pf
@@darragho6358 then you make a video and prove him wrong then.......
@@CeeWorld69 nah sorry I have a job in business analytics so I really don't want to spend my spare time building algorithms and shit for this
@@darragho6358 well then we’ll trust his research then, thank you
@@darragho6358 business analytics: premade algorithms and decisions made by excel. No one is impressed by your job.
When there’s no hand checking and everything is a foul...this is what tends to happen
You should check Jimmy's video about hand checking.
@@worldingrid3800
Legend of Winning debunked that video
@@redpillfreedom6692 low misses a lot 😂 but he does hit a lot too
But didn't hand checking stop in the 60s and 70s I feel the refs just make softer calls like in the nfl
@@user-ju4ew6hn1i they tired to make it a rule but never took it serious so it continued. They took it seriously once Michael Jordan retired. They were scared of losing viewers due to MJ retiring so they heavily enforced no hand checking because hand checking meant more defense and more defense meant less high scoring games and perimeter players not easily getting their points
Steph Curry changed the game so much that he forced guys like Roy Hibbert and Joakim Noah out of the league and he forced guys like Brook Lopez and Blake Griffin who were before Currys dominance an good all star and a young superstar, to learn how to shoot just to stay relevant in the NBA
It wasn't just him. Mike D'Antoni's offense preceded that.
that graph literally made me yell “holy shit” at the end
same my guy. same
I know...
this literally how inflation works loll
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The game has become soft. The 89 Pistons would foul out in the first quarter of most games played today. Same thing is happening to the NFL. A premium has been put on offense. The Bad Boy Pistons and The Steel Curtain of the Steelers are long gone.
SAWFT
Offense highlights brings in viewership and money that's why. Would recommend European basketball if you are looking for a more traditional take on basketball, where defense is tighter because of less spacing from the shorter 3pt line.
U are a noob
Who tf are these 155 people who disliked the video ? I mean why would you
Weirdos right
Bots or people who clicked by accident or people who don’t speak English who don’t want similar stuff recommenddd idk
Either them old heads hating on todays game
@@nolimitmasseky23 it’s not really hating if what they say about the new nba is true 🤷🏾♂️
Cuz I don't like it? Isn't that what the buttons for?
"Great Offense beats great defense"
The nets : "Write that down ! Write that down!"
Cliche and wrong. Check NBA title winning teams, and ask yourself how many were poor defensively?
2004 Nba Finals.
*Pistons ( Defense ) vs Lakers ( Offense ) 4:1.*
@@robk6831 check how many of those teams had an offense as good as YOUR Brooklyn Nets
Y’all remember the 2019 Raptors, right?
@@marcotardini7321 the team who’s fan base cheered when Kd hurt his Achilles?
Yeah I remember them
Every games like the all star game now. Chucking 3's, little defense, lot of dunks. Also a lot of wasted possessions.
facts. i started watching games this season for the first time in a few years and i was surprised to see players shooting deep threes with 18-20 seconds on the shot clock lol
Wasted possessions? You understand that a 33% 3 pt shooter is statistically identical to a 50% 2p shooter. Any player who is 33% from 3 is statistically wasting attempts by not taking 3s. The game just got smarter and realized a 20 ft 2 is useless and would rather take a 23.5 ft 3 with the same efficiency. Scoring is all about maximizing you attempts, and virtually every player’s 2 pt shot is maximized from extremely close range via dunk or layup, and virtually every player who takes 3s consistently scores more points/shot than even elite midrange shooters.
@@holdenfegan1613 here's the thing... Basketball isn't played in a vacuum, shots aren't taken in a vacuum. When games get tight, defenses are going to make scoring in the paint and from 3 much harder, and the best way to circumvent that is to be someone like kawhi or kd, who can create a midrange shot whenever they want/need to. Those guys are almost always gonna be better in playoffs/crunch situations than someone like harden who lives in the paint and from 3 but doesn't score from everywhere else. Just shooting 3s and layups/dunks is a great way to win in the regular season but I challenge you to find a team over the last 6 years who have won championships by only shooting 3s and layups/dunks.
@@ajdaking507 golden state won 3 rings taking more 3s than anyone else in history, with the driving force being Steph. The Heat won their two rings on mostly dunks and stiff from LeBron and Bosh with Wade taking mostly layups and threes but also some middies. The Cavs won with LeBron and Kyrie shooting 3s and close shots. Toronto won against a crippled team. And the Spurs had a dynasty and were just great all around. Other than that, the midrange game has vanished, even in the playoffs
The thing is, there are few specialists in the midrange. Remember, one of the greatest midrange shooters left in the league is DeMar DeRozan, leading the Spurs and putting up credible All-Star numbers but unable to push them to the playoffs this season or get an All-Star berth. When he led the Raptors with Lowry, they couldn't make it over the Cavaliers, none of whose stars focused on the midrange. Even an efficient, confident midrange shooter with good playmaking and court vision is fighting an uphill battle. Meanwhile, Lebron changed his game over the years to fit the league, dialing down his defensive intensity and developing an exterior shot. Lebron is, and was, a capable defender but defense is a less efficient use of energy with more risk of both injuries and fouls.
What a Joke video... NBA viewership was 10x higher in 90's... More competitive. Today its all three-pointers and floppy-wood!!!
This further proves MJ would shred this league.
Thank you!!!!
Except he was just about as good at threes as Anthony Davis. And he took more shots on average in his career than the 2020 shot attempts leader. MJ wouldnt have had more shots, and he definitely wouldn’t be taking more 3s
MJ was arguably the better rim finisher in nba history imaging him playing in a system like the rockets with 4 shooters around him
@@submarinefilms3523 Yes...absolutely destroy the dudes today!!
@@submarinefilms3523 perhaps, but that wouldn’t be winning basketball, high offense with piss poor defense. We literally already saw what happens in the rockets system, James Harden, even in his most offensively proficient season, couldn’t win. Jordan may have averaged a couple more ppg, but he still wouldn’t explode with extra offense, because it would get to the point where defenses would cheat to the inside to contain him. 33-34 ppg is just about the maximum a player can average while maintaining a usage% low enough to play team winning basketball
It’s actually an interesting contrast to soccer. I’d love to see a TIFO football collab with this topic. On the ball creativity has exponentially increased in both sports but given how multifunctional a player needs to be on the pitch compared to basketball, defense in football is forced to adapt in tandem with offense
Yeah in soccer if your defense is bad you’re fucked no matter how good your attack is
I disagree with the on the ball creativity. All flair players/ great dribblers are almost all gone. Now that Messi is older, Neymar is prob the only one with those dribbling skills. The days of Pele, Maradona, Brazilian Ronaldo are gone
Name of the game in Football is perfect discipline and maximum effort into extremely explosive counter-attacks.. Think the first not that premiered but definitely mastered this concept is Joachim Loew back in 2006 :)
@@grinchoi1 I think that is not true at all. Firstly, Pele should not be on that list. Secondly, you just named two players from two different eras, so I'm not sure how that validates your argument that there were a lot of great dribblers back then. There are more great dribblers than ever now, but you would only discover them if you watch the game and follow multiple leagues, instead of just knowing the popular players.
@@VArsovski10 If you think Joachim Loew mastered this concept first, you are completely mad. That man is a fraud. Mourinho, just 2 years prior had won the UCL with that principle and perfected it. There are other examples throughout the history of football.
I want to see the adjusted stats of Jordan Kobe and wilt they’ve got to be insane
He would be asinine
It*
not kobe
@@J7mmy2K04 Kobe averaged 35.4 ppg in 2006. He got a majority of his points that year from mid range jumpers and attacking the rim. Imagine his production if he played today
Wilt wouldnt have been that different the pace was insane then too
Easy solution. Allow hand checking and get rid of the defensive 3 second violation. Look at Europe, they still have team based play. There's a reason Doncic said it's easier to score in the NBA.
Curry is literally the definition of "it's either you die as a hero, or you live long enough to become the villain". When he reached his prime, everyone was praising him. But now, he made defense basically non-existent, making so many people angry at today's era due to the fact that everyone can score in the NBA, but the amount of people that are great at defense can be counted using your hands.
I agree. However I would like to see a next era where defense improves a lot.
Even if curry never existed , the league was already on a uphill trend for volume threes after the successful 2011 Mavs , small ball 2012 - 2013 Heat , 2014 corner three spurs , etc the game was heading where it was today without curry, it just so happened to be 3-4 years earlier because of curry & warriors run. To give curry credit for “changing” the NBA is a misleading narrative , as it sounds simple but the numbers do not support it.
@@Chimpance7 the thing with defense is that it can’t be that much improved. Not in the same way as offense. In offense you’ll always find new ways to pass, be better at shooting, and be better at dribbling. But in defense you’re just gonna put your hand up and try not to get crossovered. Blocking is definitely gonna get harder as well since big guys are learning how to shoot (Bam, Embiid, Jokic, Vucevic etc)
Imagine Pete Maravich in this league!!!