Foreman Kills A Patient | House M.D.
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- Forman struggles to tell a patient she is dying after decision to give her chemo therapy, which has taken all her chances of her body recovering.
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Season 3 Episode 20 " House Training"
A scam artist (Monique Gabriela Curnen) loses her ability to make decisions. While House and the team struggle to find the underlying cause, the case becomes personal for Foreman.
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What's harder than telling a patient they're dying? Telling them it's your fault... Damn.
It is one of those parts of the show where Foreman's pride and arrogancy get someone hurt/killed.
Not the last we would see in the show.
@@Destroyer2150 Wasn't just his fault though, they all work as a team. And House was also quite distracted in this episode. He didn't help either
I could never do that. I feel guilty enough telling a customer I messed up their order and now their food's going to take longer. Imagine having to tell someone you're responsible for their DEATH.
@@LordofFullmetal I forgot I made this comment a year ago lmao
Telling them that they're dying, obviously; the ego should sit on the back seat whilst the patient comes first.
Can you imagine hearing you’re dying within 24 hours right after being told you have something serious yet curable? Wow.
Honeslty tho , I think death is coming so soon you come to not care at all , like , I'm just gonna cease to exist in no time who cares anymore , surely I won't because I will be fucking dead
Would go out binge watching House
I'd be saying thank God I only know like 6 people! Makes it easy to call and say my goodbyes 😂😂
@@TheMrrobustus :((((
@@pinkpanther7442 ???
There's something so heartbreaking about Wilson teaching Foreman how to give a patient the news that they're dying. Imagining sweet, honest, genuine Wilson having to tell so many cancer patients that they're terminal rips my soul apart.
Only to die of cancer himself. 😢
And a lifetime of being the one to deliver that news did nothing to prepare him for being the patient
"You got this down to a science."
Thing is, with a cancer patient, they have some idea they're going to die from it. Knowing nothing more can be done, that's something they've been expecting sooner or later. Telling a patient who walked in with a scratch that you've killed her, that's a whole different problem.
@@arianebolt1575 very good point
*clicks on one house video*
House youtube channel: hippity hoppity your recommendations are my property!
MIke Hunt same
Damn I even bought season 1 the things that the recommendations do
Pretty much
you say that like its a bad thing my dude.
no
House was kind of right at the end. Getting the right treatment does depend on going to the right doctor. As they point out repeatedly in the show, this department's specialty was exotic diseases. They can and will miss the basic stuff sometimes because it's not their department.
I think they addressed a common phrase in medicine, "When you hear hoove-steps, think horses not zebras" and house said something along the lines of "if this was a horse, it wouldn't have landed on our plate, so think zebras"
@@nunosantos4217 Occam's razor
@@nunosantos4217 I would also say context matters.
If you are in African grasslands, expecting horses is gonna leave you surprised
@@nunosantos4217 That's why the first doctors who got her should have checked her out better.
@@michaeltrinh4394 Aka the fools excuse when their brains start fuming
I love it how she went through the all stages of grief from denial to anger, then bargaining, depression and acceptance. Wow. Smart writing
Roman Volovik do you love me
Where was the bargaining?
And also, yeah. What the hell, @@greed3373?
@@Chris_Cross 2:47 its not traditional bargaining you give me i give you, but the fact that she is trying to find a way out of it that is sadly impossible to reach
and yeah insurance company would pay for it if you want to keep it out of poetry's reach ^ ^
@@Cant-Think-Of-Anythink-Better Oh alright. Thanks for explaining.
@@Chris_Cross "You can get me a new heart; people get heart-transplants all the time!" From where she is lying-down, for me that's the highest form of bargaining I could ever hear from the clip.
I'm glad someone finally gave that wall what it deserves.
That wall has been a jerk since the first episode.
rob rick damn son
Lmao! I friggin lost it.
underrated
That floor looks like it deserves to be roughed up for all the times it tripped House. Good thing the ceiling got what was coming to it in the second to last episode.
LOL 😂
"You've got this down to a science"
The man heads the oncology department. His job description amounts to "people are likely to die by the time they interact with me"
"I cant forgive you Forman cause theres nothing to forgive" probably the best kind words foreman will get out of house
It'a the truth, not kindness
@@newlife.vanessacalfan foreman needed to hear that. the truth can be kind
@@newlife.vanessacalfan In this case it's both.
If you're reading this send help.
I clicked one house video, ONE. It's been 17 days. My soda ran out after 2 hours. I've been stuck in an endless loop of house videos and can't stop.
Save yourself. Move the cursor up and to the left and X the page. Walk away. Don't let yourself suffer my fate
IM ON MY WAY SOLDIER I GOT DR.PEPPER, PEPSI AND MT.DEW
HES DEAD JIM!
Too late for this.
I'm already there dude!
Also I quote Return Of The Jedi "There's too many if them!" or "IT'S A TRAP!"
When this show wants to be emotional, it pulls on the ol' heart strings.
Andeloine or the bra strings *sees self out the back way*
@JustinBieber What about the scene when Cuddy leaves House?
@JustinBieber Oh so cool that's edgy!
lol tard
Indeed and they are called chordae tendineae
@@jacklauder8226 *locks door* You should be ashamed.
I read an article once where doctors confessed the times they made a mistake; some of the patients died, some lived. I think a lot of people forget that doctors, for all their training and knowledge, are still human. We like to think that the people in charge of our health and well-being are immune to failure, but mistakes are inevitable. The point is, to take those mistakes and learn from them, and use them to grow and not make the same mistake a second time.
Nah... the point, is for you to pontificate. Next time, go see a chiropractic or a chakra channeler or whatever.
Its called medical practice for a reason
Humans are prone to failure but those failures is exactly why people grow up to become mature and humble. Unfortunately, our society thinks it's nice to reward failure and turn a blind eye to failures instead of using it as a lesson for the younger generation to learn from. This will result in a lot more people getting hurt and a lot of people getting a reality check in the worst possible ways.
Exactly. People get pissed off, which is understandable, but it needs to be understood that it does happen because, like everyone else, doctor's are human
So well put Katie 👍
That shoulder touch was horrible 😂😂
Jailan Simon yea, Wilson said touch her shoulder not gently caress it
Jailan Simon z
Imagine if he did one of those athletic butt slaps instead 😂😂
I think it was supposed to be. He'd never had to deliver news like that before and he wasn't sure what to do even though he'd been told.
Right? He said "IF it seems appropriate". I really don't think that right after saying the words "you're dying and it's MY fault" is the appropriate situation lmao
*Notice how House acts when a patient actually dies, He can act like an ass but he's genuinely soft hearted* ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
SOMEONE ELSE NOTICED THIS XD
THANK YOU.
and House does try to bring up someone's spirits. In his own way, House does definitely care.
It's too late for the patient to see it, though. Haha.
why did u bold the whole comment
A S Because she wants to matter. Lol !
Or is he pissed because he showed infallibility by letting them die.
Holding her hand works because she can reciprocate, if she wants to. Touching on the arm or shoulder is more dangerous because it doesn't give them a chance to opt in or out, and if they want to opt out, it forces them to do so in a defensive way.
*takes note *
Yeah, if you recoil from an arm or shoulder touch, YOU'RE the one who always looks like an asshole. It sucks if you don't like people touching you.
@@FireMinstrel Yeah this guys mistake is the reason she's dying and she doesn't want him to touch her. What a bitch.
@@marinak4452 you missed her entire point
Agreed. As someone who hates being touched my coworkers are wonderful and always offer a fist bump or a high five. If I'm not up for the contact I smile and wave, they understand. Usually, because I have the choice, I will reciprocate, because I'm not being forced into the touch.
The worst part of being a doctor
They also have to put finger in butt more often than you would think.
@@jevoulaispasdecompte you say that like it's a bad thing?
@@conormcmullen6437 it's a good thing until you go from pediatric to geriatric /gotohelljoke
@@conormcmullen6437 who wants to finger a 89 year old man who shits uncontrollably lmao
Conor McMullen Would you enjoy sticking a finger up someones butt?
Actually, don’t answer that
"I can't forgive you Foreman, because there's nothing to forgive."
Then Foreman seeks the solace of his mom, but she can't offer much, the Alzeheimer's has pretty much taken her away.
very depresing moment
Forman: "Do you know who I am, Mom...? It's Eric."
Forman's Mom: "Of course I do. My little boy's name is Eric."
@@Tony73727 that was hearth touching
@@Tony73727 That line hurts so much.
@J. Professional It is. Just one e added. Foreman. It was also that hysterical when Kurtwood Smith played Dave Matthews' father on the "Half-Wit" episode.
Fun story, I had a staph infection that went to my heart one time and they diagnosed me with four different things until I was 24 hours from death when they saw a simple cut on my back and treated me properly. This is real, this exact thing happens.
Jesus Christ that’s scary af, hopefully it never happens again
Glad you made it.
Lol
Yes. Did you live??
@@davidbadaro6028 bruh
In October 1996, my kind and precious friend went to the ER with a bad sinus infection he just couldn't shake. They discovered cancer in his lymph glands through testing, so they hit him with his first dose of chemotherapy the next day. They had also done a battery of blood tests, which included a test for HIV. In 1996 it took from several days to a week or longer to get the results of the Western Blot screen returned...back then they couldn't find the virus itself, only the antibodies. Long story short, he had HIV but when they dosed him with chemo, it weakened his immune system and destroyed vital cells. It pushed him into full blown AIDS and he died the following February...on Valentines Day. This clip hit hard...I think of him almost every day. Today I will think of him all day.
Im so sorry you had to go through that
Always take hiv tests before going to bed :)
So he had cancer and HIV?
@@southernbelladonna78 No - he only had HIV. They wrongly diagnosed cancer, and therefore treated them for it, and ended up destroying their immune system - which allowed the HIV disease to take over completely, killing them.
Your immunity level is what allows the body to keep fighting. Once that's gone, there is nothing left to defend against diseases.
I’m so sorry.
Foreman got a wicked hook tho if only he could fight sickness that hard
i laughed way too hard at this, spot on mate lmao
I would like this comment, but its at 69
well it was the hook that killed her
@@enkiimuto1041 underated comment
I must be a Foreman patient because I'm dying.
"Want to see if I am dying on schedule?" that really hit me hard.
Foreman had the opportunity to rectify this when he was treating a patient under similar circumstances in "97 Seconds". He was fired as a result from this in his new job at Mercy, despite saving the patient's life (as opposed to killing the patient in this episode). Foreman resigned in Season 3 as a result of this fearing he had become just like House, but after getting fired from Mercy, it was evident he was too late. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
And God forbid the writers having the characters working in ANOTHER of the thousands hospitals out there.
Yes I recall Dr Cutty called Foreman House 'lite'.
Makoto Mikami They tried explaining it with no other hospital wanting him anymore.
I know, dude, my point was that this was the ONLY hospital characters could work in the entire series, like, every time House quits he returns to the same hospital, like in the episode when House is taking methadone for his leg, quits, and shows interest in going to another hospital to open up a diagnostics team, I know it's a TV show, but I wanted to see another workplace in the 8 years we've had of this, we only get a glimpse of that through Foreman in this season when he works briefly at Mercy, and that's it.
@@makotomikami Oh, I read "character", so I thought you were talking about Foreman only.
I felt so (so, so very) bad for Foreman in this scene
Novadin Yea I did too, he looked so guilty.
The next scene hurts even more for Foreman. Visiting his mom but she's not there, the Alzheimer's taking her away.
It sucks to suck
+Novadin - Sorry, but I felt sorry for the patient.
Yeah of course, but just taking the hatred in, knowing that you are at fault..it would likely destroy anyone mentally
For some reason the part where he said "Wait until they're done thinking, until they meet your eyes again" stayed with me throughout the years, and I noticed that when a professional gave me tragic news he did exactly that. Just patiently waited for me to look at him again.
When my mom died last year, the doctor was pretty straightforward but empathetic when he told us she wasn't going to make it. According to my friend, when my friend's mom died the doctor just point blank told him his mom had died in the most nonchalant and indifferent way.
Man, I hope you're doing okay.
If you never look back, you can never die. /j
How are you?
@@leanweensinginmachine It was a while ago, but it still hits me sometimes. I'm good though. Thanks for asking.
This is where Jame's strength shines through, His genius so to speak. While House to an extend may not care about the patients, he couldn't face death over and over again without being able to do anything about it. Whereas Wilson 'has it down to a science'; a sincere, genuine one, every time, that's.....special.
Atleast that's my takeaway.
Well Wilson does have patients that rarely survive, so yeah he's 'used to it'
It's the kind of thing that real life Doctors go through- a method to minimize the pain on all sides. How do you give the worst news anyone will ever hear in their lifetime? How do you make it easier for the patient, the family, and, in the long-run most importantly, yourself? Wilson having it down to a science is incredibly ironic because the news is the most personal and human news you could ever get, and it exists not just for the patients' sake but for Wilson's. House has told people they're dying several times, but he typically doesn't do so unless he suspects (he is wrong occasionally about this and saves the patient later) that he cannot solve the puzzle in time. For House it's not about minimizing his pain, it's about maximizing it. He wants himself to feel hurt when he gives bad news because, to him, it's admitting defeat- he wasn't fast enough or smart enough to figure out the puzzle. He punishes himself. He adopts a similar method as Wilson on the exterior in that he's blunt and quick with the news , but he doesn't do anything to get a true emotional resolution from the patient, unlike Foreman does here. He just wants to perform the autopsy, learn from his mistakes, and never make them again. The end irony here is that, watching the show, House's admissions of failure are more human than Wilson's method of breaking the news to his cancer patients, because House's news doesn't come from a place of sympathy, but from guilt and insecurity, which are inherently more personal feelings.
Wilson has it down to such a science that his dying patients actually thanks him when they pass away...
the look jame gave him after that statement. i dont have it down to a science because i need to. but because i had to
Because an oncologist is the one who faces death the most. He is so used to it that he is almost stoic towards it now.
Moral of the story, don't wear bras
We should ban them lmao
LOL
Amen. Also, I seem to remember an episode where a shirt that had been washed with cleaning detergent caused a serious allergic reaction. We should probably eliminate shirts too. Just to be safe...
The health and safety of wahmen must be our first priority. 😇
Moral
No.
if im ever in that condition just load me up with a lethal dose of painkillers and let me slip away
Spanish Moustache lethal injection is torture more than dying of an infection.
Illegal in most places, unfortunately. I thoroughly believe that if you're over eighteen, can be proven mentally sound and are dying anyway, you should have the right to call it quits on your own terms.
Physician assisted death is allowed in terminal illness
That's actually in my private death plan with my husband 😕 cancer runs deep in my geens
I've asked my wife to bring me cocaine. My brother will know where to get it. If it gets this bad for me I'm gonna pop my heart like a balloon and go out the same way i always knew i would
"When I go, the world's not gonna be any different." That's the realest thing she ever said.
One of the most surreal experiences of my life was shortly after my sister died unexpectedly. Just a few hours later I was in a Target picking up things I would need to start packing up and cleaning out her apartment. All I could think about was that my sister had just died and literally no one in the entire store besides me knows or cares, they're all just going about their normal lives as if nothing happened. Quite an existential revelation.
@notthatyouasked6656 life continues, and time waits for no one. Not to be rude, of course, and I'm sorry for your loss.
And the wheels on the bus go round and round
@@notthatyouasked6656I'm so sorry ❤
@@Irish_Georgia_Girl Thanks. It will be 20 years this summer....
I love the “nothing will change when I’m gone” followed by just how much impact it has on Foreman. Goes to show everyone makes an impact, no matter how little.
Do you know how many people die and make no impact? Homeless and/or lonely people, marginalized, outcasts? Don't be naive.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 You’re sorely wrong. You’ve never had an interaction with a stranger that you remember? It is impossible to live a life without making an impact. Even a newborn baby has made some kind of impact on their parents and healthcare workers. Don’t be pessimistic.
Two differences Foreman failed to consider. First is that Wilson is an oncologist. When people hear cancer they're already starting to fear the worst, and when he tells them they're gonna die it's because the treatment couldn't stop the cancer or its already terminal, not because he made the worst possible mistake. Second is that Wilson is genuinely empathetic to a fault, whereas Foreman is mostly freaking out at the cost of his own mistake.
I think Foreman did feel genuine empathy for her. He sat with her and held her hand. I absolutely agree with you though about the difference as far as Wilson being an Oncologist. And another difference between Wilson and Foreman... in THIS case at least, is that when Wilson tells someone they're going to die they usually have months or years... at least weeks. Foreman had to tell this poor woman that she had no more than 24 hours to live. 😢
As a medical professional, people dying by decisions you made will always be apart of the profession. Those who can limit that statistic the most, is the best doc
It's horrible how people refuse to accept that a medical professional, even if he makes the best choices with the information they have, are still blamed by people and sometimes sued anyway. You are spot on.
I take your point, but I'd amend it slightly. Those who do the most good, are the best docs. Focusing on deaths tends to lead to doctors refusing to see critically-ill patients because the likely death might spoil their average.
Very true
I'm looking at you surgeons.@@michaelccozens
The situation presented here kinda sounds like malpractice tho ngl.
I love how House can give the best advice while looking like a jerk at the same time. Basically “we see difficult cases, you didn’t make any mistakes in judgement, you took your best shot and unfortunately it was wrong.”
The music in this show was always pure perfection. It really kicked in the emotion of every situation presented.
U right
Name song?
@@eddd1707 Matthew Ryan - Follow the leader
The entire show was really good, I want to watch Greys Anatomy but I'm positive it wont compare to house and ill get bored of it lol.
"I take risks, sometimes patients die. But not taking risks causes more patients to die, so I guess my biggest problem is I've been cursed with the ability to do the math."
"It is the nature of medicine that you are going to screw up. You're gonna kill someone. If you can't handle that pick another profession."
Some quotes by house that accurately describe what it means to be a doctor.
The best part here at 07:30 isn't that house doesn't "scold" him, it's that what he does is even worse of a punishment. As in, if House had said he made a mistake and was at fault then Foreman would've actually been vindicated in his humanity. Instead; House just declares him a "doctor": He tried his best from his abilities and as such there's no fault. This is an extremely inhumane view of things but it's sometimes very beneficial… Thing is you can tell that Foreman *wants* to be scolded and hated for his choices, he wants conformation that what he did was "evil" or "at fault" but when House says it isn't that hurts ten times more.
TLDR: House denies Foremans urge for fault, so that Foreman has no escape other than accepting his mistake.
"I can't forgive you Foreman because there's nothing to forgive."
and that notion I think, my friends, separates the men from the boys.
@@PianoMelodicaDark is it really manly to look at situations without a moral compass? or are you talking about Krehlmar's description? cause that sure is manly.
@@PianoMelodicaDark I just guess it depends on the situation. In this case, doctors do make mistakes. In other cases like daily life we should always have a morality check of the things we do or say. Depends on what you're dealing with. Boys turn to men when the right time comes. It's subjective.
How is it "even worse of a punishment"? How is it "extremely inhumane" to admit that doctors are humans who will inevitably make mistakes during their career and accidentally kill a patient? It's the most humane thing you can do, to tell someone that they made an inevitable mistake and will continue to do so as long as they continue being a doctor.
House would just say very blandly:"you're dying," and walk away
But he would explain why.
Still, he would be very direct about it, and give nothing about the patients feelings
Lisa Martens Arguably that directness might be actually an attempt at kindness.
See "It's a Wonderful Lie" and you'll get a better picture of this.
He describes a moment of pure truth as a cosmological event, a comet you see once and will never see again. The ultimate act of kindness - stripping away one's illusions and leaving them bereft and alone with the truth.
Wilson's advice is much the same. Don't resist, don't temperize - don't hide from it. Tell them the truth and then show them how it's affecting you too, then empathize.
House's strategy is actually the same. The part that's tricky is "Empathize". See, house's desire is always to be alone. So for him, empathizing is walking away and leaving them be. This is actually an attempt to empathize.
Considering that this patient yells at foreman when he touches her, House's method was the correct one.... initially. She then comes around later when Foreman honestly expresses a need for her forgiveness - which is again, the honesty part, which they all agree on.
It's a great little philisophical conundrum.
Not really. He's pretty sympathetic when it gets down to it.
Not in this case. This was iatrogenic.
Bras are lethal
Good thing I don't wear those things on a regular basis
@@florence4372 cause u a niqqa
i dont wear thoses things inside my house.
Dattebae men don't wear bras
@Bad Cattitude now I can't stop imagining walking around with someones hands up my shirt to supplement bras lmao
The ending to this episode, when Foreman goes to see his mom, had me crying. “Our little boys name is Eric.” Hit me so hard.
Eric Foreman
I love how this shows House actually cares about the patients, even though his “anti-social” behavior doesn’t show it
He doesn't care about them THAT much. He cares about losing. Losing a patient means he was wrong about something, he lost the challenge. That's what motivates him.
House really just care about the puzzle. The patient is just colateral damage.
I don't remember which episode (probably in the later seasons), but the one where House gets stuck with a terminal patient. House keep complaining about the patient opening up and wanting to put him to sleep. While at the same time, the patient basically deconstruct House's persona, calling him out on his hypocrisy about solving the puzzle and not caring for his patients as a doctor.
@@SukatoKjolen Sure, his main motive is solving puzzles successfully but he was shown many times to beat himself up sincerely when someone dies under his watch meaning he still cares at least on some level, to some extent.
@@Destroyer2150 Sure, his main motive is solving puzzles successfully but he was shown many times to beat himself up sincerely when someone dies under his watch meaning he still cares at least on some level, to some extent.
House only truly cares for and fights for children and special needs, because ultimately, they have no say on the decisions they have to take. Like the vegan couple in season 1, he berated them for stunting their baby’s growth, that they changed its diet immediately.
My father almost died from a staph infection in his bloodstream that they missed. He was in the hospital for over a week pumping him full of medicines with no cure. It started to spread to his brain, hence why he was screaming and had massive head pain and was begging the doctors to kill him. They didnt test for staph infection because staph infection in the bloodstream is so rare, its not on the typical list of tests to conduct. The doctor told us if he went another 24 hours without having the proper treatment, my dad would have perm brain damage and very likely would have died in 2 days.
moonfanaras, I’m so glad they found it and your dad lived!!
@@tiffanypersaud3518 I am as well. The doctor was also pumping him full of insulin trying to bring his blood sugar down, even though he is not diabetic, and that almost killed him cause they were making him OD on it. Come to find out the high sugar levels was due to an antibiotic they had him on. The neurologist told us to he would recommend us finding a new hospital to take my father to because the doctor my dad had told us we needed to keep our mouth shut when we told him we wanted them to stop the insulin, saying we knew nothing and that we were not the ones with a degree in medicine. Once they stopped the insulin, all symptoms within 24 hrs lessened, and they released him not even 2 days later in perfect health. The insulin was making it worse since they were giving him insulin every 2 hours. The doctor is lucky we did not slap a malpractice suit on him because he refused to stop insulin treatment when my dad refused it. This was after the staph treatment started working but my dad was still having massive head and heart pain, which was from the insulin.
Its amazing that with one simple gesture Foreman showed her that she *wouldnt* leave without impacting the world. Just by standing by her side he faces his mistake and proves to her that she irrevocably affected his life, a mistake that will never leave him.
Yes, no need to explain the obvious.
This is a very vital episode for people who believe Doctor's are amazing people who are far above the regular citizen; they make mistakes, and they can't save everyone. About two to three years ago, I shadowed a Neurosurgeon and his team as they went through different rounds and operations; one particular case always reminds me of just how human they can be. A young man, about a year older then me at the time, had been in a motorbike accident off of a local mountain trail; he had been officially brain dead for about three weeks. I was there when the Head of the team (the neurosurgeon who offered the opportunity to me) had taken me around the floor, meeting all their patients. This young man was the last of the 8 I met that day; his entire family was there. His mother, father, two brothers and little sister were there, sat by his bedside, his mother pacing at the foot of the bed. I still remember what the Doctor said to me before we went into that room. "This is one of the hardest parts of what it means to be a doctor."
I stood off to the side, as he spoke to the mother, telling her that there was little to no chance of him ever waking up, and even if he did, he would never be the same; that her son was gone, and that it would be best to let him go. I've never heard such pain from just emotion, but I felt physical pain and all the emotion in that room all at once. I still think about that family to this day; how are they doing? Have they ever been able to cope? Do they still grieve as bad as they did that day?
After we stepped out of the room, the doctor turned back to me, and he gave me a look that said all I needed to really know. That it never does get any easier. I still think about that idea; to have to deal with the reality that some days, the job you aspired to become, a person who aspires to save everyone, and the fact that you know that somedays, you won't save everyone. I honestly believed that being a doctor meant being the epitome of some of the best of what humanity has to offer; now? I still do. Just that the best still make mistakes like everybody else. And that they can't solve every problem that present themselves.
Very true, this is what it is also being difficult being a nurse too. Although, I don’t tell a patient that he/she will die, but having a patient die during the care received is difficult to cope with.
Doctors are barely even human, who thinks they’re perfect?
@@billzsigray1504 Who thinks they are ''barely even human''? You? Doesn't make sense.
I just wanna point out: in all likelihood, the reason Wilson's technique didn't work for Foreman (other than Foreman botching it) was because Wilson's usually saying "you have cancer; you're gonna die in reasonably long timeframe, and there's nothing anyone could have done to stop it". What Foreman's saying here is "You COULD have lived; but I messed up and now you have less than a day".
One of these is going to make people react very differently to the other. It makes sense that she's angry. People get angry when we don't have seating at my workplace, let alone when a doctor has to tell them that he just KILLED them.
To me, Foreman's approach did work. It simply isn't possible for her not to be horrified, angry and a million other things, and in the very short space of time she now knows she has left.
Heres me thinking Foreman was a straight up murderer from the title
Spoiler:
Nah that's Chase.
I love Foreman's actor, you can see the fear in his eyes when Wilson tells him it's not ok, and when House said that he'll eventually kill someone again.
Gonna run out of clips. Bring House back!!!
There's nothing to bring back. House died in a fire, and then rode into the sunset with a dying Wilson. For House, Wilson is definitely his wholly and singular pillar of strength. Without that, House will fall into a dark place where he will do unspeakable things that will definitely endanger him and the lives around him. There is no coming back to House's version of normal without Wilson. You're better off seeing Chase pick up where the series finale set out for us.
@@NakanoHitori I was actually curiously thinking about having a prequel instead of a sequel. I feel like it would be too easy following in the finale's footsteps.
@@NakanoHitori Wilson's death aside... House committed multiple Felonies in the last episode... he's going to be locked up for Decades of hes caught...
Chris Davidson that's usually the implication of a phrase like, "there's no going back."
Chris Davidson how would he get caught tho everyone thinks hes dead.
I love how house tells a bunch of med students in another episode that at some point in their career they will get somebody killed. And if they can't handle that they need to pick a different career.
The medical science in this show isnt always 100% but the morals are the truth is sometimes you can't save everyone even with the best treatments and the best of intents ... sometimes people die and no doctor can save them ... One of the reasons I didn't become a doctor is that fact and cause I knew I couldn't handle it if my patient died
Same here
That’s personally what I look for the most in medical shows like this. House and Scrubs are my two favorite medical shows and are not the most accurate, it’s just something about the morals, the lessons, the characters that make them amazing shows.
I dropped med school because Im too empathetic with other people. I knew I wouldn't be able to handle if I ever killed a patient. Im doing quite well now though. Just thought I shared
@@seraphim3528 Thanks for sharing
Doctors are human, and they make mistakes like everyone else. No one is perfect, but everyone expects them to be. Bless them ♥️
How have you got the same exact name as me?
"This isn't like you ran your cart into mine at the supermarket". This line is perfect example why people do that. If doctor makes mistake, it's not something trivial. It's YOUR LIFE that's on the line. You are on someone's mercy. You trust someone who should know what he doing, and you believe you will survive. Dying because of cancer or heart attack is one thing because sometimes there's nothing they can do, but when you go with simple cold and you end up fucked up for life, it's different story.
Most doctors are assholes that have a god complex
Er... Foreman?
He said place your hand on her arm, not rub her shoulder.
Bit weird.
It didn't work for foreman cause he's black. Would have worked preety well for wilson
Honestly would’ve been creepy as hell seeing Wilson do this. Foreman just looks like he really doesn’t give a shit but is trying to come off as if he does, and it feels insincere.
Foreman's pretty reserved. He doesn't do casual physical contact too often, certainly not at this point in the show. He's trying a 'recipe' that doesn't work for his personality.
Also Wilson is used to this. He works with dying patients so he KNOWS how to read people and see if they want to be comforted or be left alone. Foreman was just following instructions so ..his actions read robotically
At the same time though, I comfort people by rubbing their arm or back because that’s what I learned from my mum, because that’s how she always comforted me... it’s just about what we learn from being comforted by others. I understand not everyone feels the same about it, but to me it’s far from weird or creepy.
I love how realistic these characters are. Everyone, House, Chase,Allison or Eric. Or anyone. I love how flawed these characters are. They are not potraited as perfect. They fear for their security, they laugh, cry, and make mistakes like any *real human being*.
Love this show..
One of the most realistic scenes depicting real-life healthcare scenarios. Misdiagnosis and bad choices are more likely than "House-type" miracle cures. On a side note, I always hated bras and bra hooks. Now it seems I am justified in feeling this way.
Is foremans middle name Kyle cuz he really messed up that dry wall
Raphael Lauf
He identifies spiritually with a 16 year old white boy w daddy issues
And this is why we do a thorough physical exam, even if it might be uncomfortable for doctor or patient.
Everyone feels so sorry for foreman, what about the ACTUAL victim that he unintentionally killed? Even if it was an accident, he literally killed her lmao
He didn't literally kill her. He did literally make it easier for the infection to kill her. At most, manslaughter.
Because Foreman is a main character of the show. We've followed his progress and know him as a person. The patient was a character-of-the-day. We knew they were disappearing by next episode regardless of the outcome. We empathize with the heroes of the story because we watch their continuous struggle.
@EPLURiBusUNUM I mean you could, but theres malpractice insurance/lawyers for a reason
the difference is she won't be around. it's easier to die than it is to live knowing you had a hand in their death.
@@iPyroNigma yes, exactly, he killed her.
Patient: "What's my diagnosis, doctor? I'm dying from curiosity!"
Foreman: "Heh. Not only from curiosity..."
enjoying these frequent uploads! keep up the good work
agreed. me too.
Nice job team
This show tackles some heavy ass topics in a really good way
"Let her see it."
Wilson is awesome.
The problem I have with Foreman is I think he is called George Foreman. Then I imagine him as a grill.
His name was Eric
I bet at some point house called him George as a pun that goes under the radar.
He's a boy, not a grill
His name was Eric, so I always think of That 70’s Show.
+Ellen G OMG me too lol! Every time, they say Foreman, the invincible boxer comes to mind.
I saw this episode an hour ago and I’m still weeping. I loved this episode.
Such an amazing show, the messages are eternal.
When you try something with the best intentions and give your absolute best and still fail your goal, you simply have to accepts the fact, grow and continue.
I don't know why, but I still really love how House's curiosity and dedication continues even after "failure."
He always needed to solve the puzzle.
Omar Epps is such a great and sadly underrated actor.
"miles, the hardest part about this job, you cant always save everybody"
I remember this episode very well. It's one of those that really bugged me for a long time bcs it shows that being a doctor means to carry a hella responsibility that not everybody is ready for. Sometimes you can be genius like House but still you can make simple stupid decision which will carry on into something really big that will haunt you until the rest of your life, but you still gotta move on... Really amazing episode!
Step 1: lie down
Step 2: try not to cry
Step 3: cry alot
i like how house watches forman stand up, as if hes waiting for an "i quit" out of him, what an awesome show
Your not supposed to walk out the room with the gown and gloves you might spread the infection
I think she was on reverse isolation to protect HER from infection because of the radiation treatment that fried her immune system
rosemary201314 then why no mask on
Robert Monroe the medical board does
Robert Monroe then why wear the gown an gloves
@@michaeldallesandro4979 Probs because the known infection can only spread through physical contact but is not airborne. So no need for masks only gowns and gloves.
I feel bad for the patient and Forman. She doesn't want to die and it's just sad.
Love how the music as she's dying sounds like a heartbeat and gasping for air.
Foreman was kind of reckless , even House told him that in the episode when it is discovered that he was searching things .
Damn, I get chills at 6:00... That's tough. I couldn't do it as a doctor. I truly have so much admiration for them. This brings a new picture to death for some odd reason. Really need to appreciate life while we have it, cause it truly can change from one second to the next.
wilson: stopp do not touchh shoolder
foreman: *T O C C H*
I wish you’d show the end of the episode where Foreman hugs his mom. One of the most emotional moments of the series especially when she reveals she doesn’t remember him
These uploads make my day. Thank you so much
It's so sad :(
Foreman did all he could to save her , but it was not enough.
House would be one needed in that episode cause he would've saved her
I started crying when he told her that there's nothing that nobody can do
I remember this episode, been looking for the clip everywhere!
Wilson was the most wholesome of all doctors, literally the most empathetic. It's heartbreaking watching foreman going through this. I couldn't be a doctor for this reason alone.
This hits so much harder now that I've lost a patient.
“I can’t forgive you, because there’s nothing to forgive.” I like that line
Great episode all around. I've seen that actress in a number of things - always good. And it was a real showcase for Omar Epps, who was often relegated to looking frustrated at House's antics. Something to consider - you put yourself in a position to save people's lives, sometimes you're going to cause a death. A hard pill.
In reality, she would have been having non-stop blood transfusions to replenish her with healthy white blood cells, and started her on antibiotics, until her body regained enough strength to begin healing. She would've survived this mistake IRL.
Morte Parla No. It wouldn’t have been able to help her at that point. She was suffering from a bacterial infection, accelerated by chemo/radiation therapy. It had already attacked and destroyed her major organs, replenishing her white blood cells wouldn’t have helped because there was simply nothing left to fight. Damage is already done. If your castle is burnt down, building walls around it won’t rebuild the castle.
@@mickey1592 her major organs weren't close to being in such a bad shape
geoo zeii ‘it spread to your heart’ ‘it wouldn’t help, infection is EVERYWHERE’
@@mickey1592 and?that does not mean that the heart or any of the other organs which are infected were destoryed or became close to useless like you said
That technique would've still worked
geoo zeii In the full episode she dies of multi organ failure. The white blood cells wouldn’t have helped because everything was already shot, she couldn’t heal. I’m not here to argue, if you think it would’ve worked then you think that.
The sad piano song during the autopsy part - Follow the Leader by Matthew Ryan
You're a hero
I don't know you but I love you
Thankyou ❤️
This is so tragic. I could never imagine being in this situation
I still can't help but feel sad for this patient. She had a rough childhood, and still has a rough life doing any little thing to survive. No education, no stable job, barely scraping by... Then ends up getting killed painfully and slowly due to bad decisions. Mistakes.
Yes, I know, it's just an [old] show.
My wife who has a condition putting her in and out of the hospital actually liked this episode. It made her happy that for once a TV Show actually shows a non-happy ending and that shit happens.
Wilson sleeping in House’s office was such a sweet touch
This is a very powerful show
House always speak reality.....
House: Everyone lies. Its never Lupus. "Stereotype wisecracks." "Cuddy sex jokes" Hey Wilson! I'm gonna cut some couple's eye out. Wanna watch!?
Yeah House is an adult child and a jerk but when it matters he shows he's the best boss in the world. Whenever his doctors screws up he helps them not lose their mind (in the most effective way). Chase once punched him in the face to keep others away from him and House was cool about it.
I love it how whenever a patient dies he sends his minions home and he does the autopsy.
I blame this on House more because he was distracted digging up Wilson's love life with his ex.
Makoto Mikami, he thought he had solved the case, but yeh, I see what you mean.
I always come back to this video.
6:15 love how Wilson is just asleep in House’s office
My mom passed away from sepsis last february they fought the infection several times but it just kept coming back she fought it for 6 months.
8:34 -9:10
Realest form of House you rarely see. Very few episodes show House being serious.
Well acted and heartbreaking.
3:46 when your older brother beats you 10 games in a row in street fighter
When foreman goes back to her, and won't leave, it gets me every time. Rams me right in there. The only thing to do.