Locking the FPS to any value lower than the FPS you get with FG will make the frametime graph smoother! I didn't know about this before I made this video. It was, again, my first look at the tech. From my experience with locked FPS, it does feel a lot smoother but input lag will be a lot higher as well. Only good if you lock it to 100 FPS or higher. Visual differences and FPS gains are the same with locked or unlocked FPS, that was the main point of the video anyways 🙂 Aaaand they need to work on flattening the frametime graph without an FPS lock and with FG, higher FPS = lower input lag and a smoother experience after all...
it's all working very strange, the fps lock really helps and the game feels a lot smoother, on my 6600, I tried ultra settings first at 1080p, it was showing 30-35fps. with FSR 3 on the preset quality + frame generation, fps increased to +-90. At first it didn't feel like 90, but when I'm locking it to 80-85, it became really smooth. if we talk about input lag, yes, it is there, but I wouldn't say that I really feel it strongly, the picture quality on a 23-inch 1080p monitor has not become critically worse either, it looks as if the game is rendered in a slightly lower resolution than 1080p. Overall, I liked it, and this is just AMD's first attempts in this direction of frame gen.
Sadly with forspoken the demo does have fsr 3 but no fg which kinda sucks cause I have a somewhat okay gpu but wanted to test how dumb it would act if I was to do it. But the demo doesn't want you to be able to test it lol.
I heard Daniel Owens say that the frame time thing is an issue related to how the game reports it's info to performance overlays when FG is on. So it's not an "ingame" problem
0:47 you can allocate some portion of your ram to vram???? How why didn't I know that? Is it possible on all pc or is it the once with special motherboard and GPU? Does it work on input?
Vsync is supposed to be enabled as FSR3 FG breaks VRR, also if the framerate isn't reaching the max refresh rate of your monitor you should also use a frame cap, either through Adrenalin or RTSS.
The amd blog also mentioned a couple of other settings to make sure were off inside hyper-rx / adrenaline too. I think boost was a setting to turn off.
Turning on Vsync does felt smoother after turning on FG. Not turning on Vsync with FG will feel like FG is not even enabled. Using the built-in refresh rate counter of my monitor, VRR definitely works without FG with FG it kinda does? Turning on Vsync locks my monitor at its max but it definitely feels smoother as I said in my first sentence. Maybe my monitor's just whack in its counter.
@@XMoldyMe it literally does not make the game smoother if you move your mouse fast, (which you do most of the time in games) frame gen gets disabled and does not add an fps boost when you move your mouse fast.
Not all consumers can afford 2k or 4k monitor. This video can somehow boost your confidence to go with 6700xt. It is powerful. Even for 1440p for other games.
I got a 43' LG 4K TV for 300€ used back in 2018 😎😎 quality's not the best and it's not even full 4K (because of the pixel structure) but I still love the experience.
@@Generationalwealth94 I had a 1080p lg tv of similar size, it just so happened to be one of the first IPS panel tvs out there on 2012. Got it used for 40 lol
it's good that you mentioned how badly optimized Forsbroken to began with, it's crazy how these mediocre graphics need that much of a GPU power to make it run at 60 fps, we are going toward a new era where half backed games will be released and then lazy games studio expect us the apply frame generation and it's "good to go"
They probably didnt hire any competent art directors and art people in genera. Just ai generated the shit out of it because thats how it looks. On second though even ai could make more cohesive graphics than this mess.
Indeed, at 720p with Ultra Performance upscaling on an RTX 3050 I can drop to 55 FPS with that fire circle spell (and no, I was not limited by the CPU, I had 96 percent GPU usage), unbelievable... now I know that the 3050 is not a great GPU but come on, we have games that look and run better than this at native 1080p. edit: and to make this worse, I was using low settings, not high.
When using Frame Generation, Nvidia rtx 4000 series automatically applies some settings (VRR gsync fressync + Vsync On Nvidia control panel + Vsync off ingame + reflex), with rx 6000/5000 rtx 2000/3000 + FG u are playing without any type of sync + latency reducer, so the experience will we bad.
So it seems like if you can run at 60+ fps and good enough detail settings then it can work...."alright" I still think FSR 3 needed to overhaul the image quality to match or do better than DLSS and not add stupid fucking frame gen... AMD never misses a chance to miss
I think it's a great thing for a steam deck for example, because you can give yourself more settings and still have a smooth game. At the cost of a little more imput lag, but I guess it doesn't matter when you can play games outside or wherever I just don't know why they're testing it on Forspoken, I would appreciate it in Starfield, Last of us etc.
Wouldn't fsr3 on the steamdeck with the low settings and low resolutions it needs to play at make every game look so bad it's literally unplayable? Also bit hard for him to test a feature in a game that doesn't support it.
@@slayerr4365 You have to wait for the new Linux graphic drivers for steam deck and then we will see, so far the game crashes with FSR 3, but on ROG ALLY it works "great"
@@slayerr4365 I was thinking the same with cyberpunk 2077 atm with fsr 2, as fsr 3 still going to be heavily depend on fsr 2, but does play well and looks really good 30 to 40 fps. As for Frame Gen stuff still be abit until AMD drops the open drivers, I seen videos with the another game with fsr 3 FG supported but seem like it's not working at all.
Nice video as always. My 6700xt jumps in joy haha. I dont know man, FSR3 still looks super blurry. Crazy how they dont get that fixed. At least in this game Native AA + FG is the way to go. Double the FPS and its super sharp. You still have the flickering on some objects, but if they fix that a bit, AMD has a good competitor to DLSS in my book.
I guess it is hard to do because of the much older GPUs that FSR supports. If it was like Nvidia and was locked in the latest cards, I think they would flawlessly match DLSS.
You're just coping. Still looks like dogshit to me, but of course everyone expected FSR 3 to be disappointing. DLSS and even XeSS are still vastly superior.
Native AA mode means the game will be rendered in the selected resolution (without any upscale) but receiving all the "buffs" FSR3 gives to the image quality (sharpening, denoising, antialiasing, etc).
This game looks so damn ugly. Even on high it's shit. I mean, I don't care about visuals normally, but when they look shit and need a NASA PC there is something wrong. For me Call of Duty 2 from 2005 graphics is way enough, but COD2 has a clear and sharp image without noise. Compared to this Forsbroken looking awful. I wish Forsbroken could have died in peace. The only thing I'm not sure about is: "Why the hell AMD presents its new tech with such a bad game?! Visuals and gameplay wise.... There aren't much more games which could have been worse for this tech presentation. Especially wanting to present FSR and using a grass intensive game.^^ *Facepalm AMD* Thanks Kryzzp for your showcase.
On the 780M graphics AMD just released preview drivers for Fluid Motion Frames which in a way is FSR 3 but driver side. Would you be able to see or tell me if this is working for the iGPU at all? As it is technically an RDNA 3 gpu but I wasn't sure if got the feature or not
It's weird actually , I used FSR Quality and it looked way better than native and native AA, no pixelation and a sharper, cleaner and smoother image. Native AA although it looked nice it was a bit too sharp on my monitor. I see people getting really conflicting results in general, it's probably the game cause in Aveum it looks great on everyone.
@@constantinesoldatos Yeh, no way bro. Native AA FSR + FG looks soooo much better. The Quality FSR3 mode is super blurry and borderline unusable in my book. You still have flickering on some objects though. If they fix that, AMD has a good competitior to DLSS in my book.
@@patrickdergroenr1247 See this is the thing though, I believe you which is why it's so confusing cause on my monitor FSR looks better than FSR Native AA in Forspoken.. I don't know anymore, at this point I just think it's this game that has issues. Aveum for example has a slightly cleaner and sharper image when compared to dlss but it also introduces tiny little shimmering spots on some places if you zoom in enough. But on normal distance they both look pretty much the same. So that's why I think it's just Forspoken being weird, I mean even before FSR 3 , upscaling looked off and blurry in that game in general.
@@constantinesoldatosYou are not alone. I would say that FSR Quality looks better than native and native AA. Its way more stable and still very sharp. In my case FSR3 on quality looks almost flawless. It's weird that you can hear and read opinions so different one to another
Glad to see that FSR3 helps quite a lot for the iGPU. Frame generation tech should be for helping lower powered or older machines play modern titles, not for a 4060 or 7600 to be able to play at 1080p medium 😆
Not good enough. As long as they made us wait. There should be NO pixels, just a CLEAN smooth image. AMD love being 2nd best. Watch Intel take the GPU 2nd spot from them, while AMD keep it on the CPU level, while NVIDIA will hold the GPU spot all the way down since they're the ones innovating that space. Yeah, its called ForBroken, not ForSpoken
FSR 3 FG doesn't support VRR for now. Thats the reason why 60/120fps FG doesn't feel as smooth as native 60/120fps with VRR. And due to the bad frame pacing (because of the absence of VRR), you get all the jitters, slowdowns and stutters. Also, RDNA1/2 doesn't support Anti-Lag+ which will improve input lag further.
Hi, I don't have any 7000 series unfortunately :( AMD doesn't send me GPUs... Gotta look into that though, I didn't know you could enable it in the drivers!
lol Frame generation is NOT supported on old RX 500 series because it cant do async compute, ONLY GTX 16 series, RTX 2000 above and RX 5000 series is supported for frame generation
It’s an ok start imo by AMD, and like DLSS when it appeared in the RTX 2000 series, it was sub par in its release and matured in time and I feel AMDs product here needs a little refinement to be a great solution. (I main an RTX 4000 series GPU and have an Rx6700XT which I game on occasionally so no fanboyism nonsense)
You first mistake was not reading AMD's recommendation for FSR3. You MUST have Vsync ON in the game to avoid stuttering yet you turned it OFF. The launch has turned into a marketing nightmare for AMD since every TH-camr is running it with Vsync OFF and complaining about it not being smooth.
FSR3 is now essentially in public beta. The upscaling part is basically FSR2.2, on top of which "fluid-motion" frame generator got slapped. Still needs a few driver updates to mature. Overall, it would be a complete release product when AMD adds it in-driver for RX 5000 and 6000 series. But honestly, I'd rather have "Native AA" mode forceable via driver, rather than FMF.
tried FSR3 in the Forspoken Demo with my rtx 3070, 32" 165 Hz Monitor and for me I have to say is huge game changer for future games , is not a pixelated mess like it mentions and it really grabs my attention why he says that hmmm I hope is not being biased DLSS 3, my recommendation is try it for your self and I can guarantee you you will be impressed by this tech, I been playing PC games since more than decade and I know when something important releases for the gaming PC segment and FSR3 is one of those things, I was planning in the future to get a rtx 4080 well not anymore.
The word pixelated mess is really exaggerated and far from reality. I personally tested it with 6700xt at 1440p resolution and I didn't notice anything like that. Maybe if I get 5 cm close to the monitor I can see it lol. From now on, I won't believe the review videos I watch until I see them myself.
This mini PC has an option for it in the bios. Some don't. It doesn't make thaaat much of a difference in most games though, since the IGPU will use system RAM as VRAM when it runs out of the allocated VRAM and it's already using system RAM to start with. But it's a nice thing to have, a couple of games do take advantage of it.
It's a bit worse on TH-cam ngl! It's pretty sharp looking and grass looks good. Everything else looks meh or even bad (like trees at the distance are terrible)
Despite that it does nothing at lower fps like 30s 40s....u still need 50fps plus to notice some increased smoothness with this tech...even I would say u should have 60 fps plus to get noticible smoothness...with fg ..if u r getting 30 or 40...fsr upscaling is only option
Nope it does work even at 30-40 fps, you can get it to look like 60 with FG, I've tested it, the only problem is that latency feels bad on mouse and keyboard, but on contoller I would actually be ok with it@@pk417
@@pk417yes AMD themselves have already said you should have 60fps at least to get the best experience. This is applicable to dlss fg as well, it's just how the tech works nothing can be done about it.
Come on I watched your videos as entertainment when I find some free time, but the TH-cam compression is killing the quality. 1080p/60fps now not looking good. they completely kill the bitrate.
KRYZZP!!! i have a question only you can answerr!!!! i dont have a 7000 series...can you use...and i repeat....can. you. use....FSR3 FG and Fluid Motion AT the SAME time :O! i hope you see this asap!
Somebody explain to me, that when I download a new driver of the graphic card, my Pc starts to get so much stutters. My graphic card is the RX 6700xt. Somebody help me, pls
now i appreciate my PS5 even more playing at 1440p max graphics at 60fps steady ! I dont play on my PC anymore the graphics on my PS5 are 1000x better than my pc
I guess it looks pixelated since according to AMD, FSR3 would have better results if your fps reached at least 60fps before you enable FSR3. Frametime is all over the place thats probably why it feels laggy/stuttering during gameplay.
AMD shares their technology with Nvidia and older GPU's but when AMD focued devs want to exclude DLSS (Starfield) from their product, everyone freaks out and calls AMD the bad guy. WTF is wrong with yall. Nvidia should be obligated to share DLSS and FG with AMD products
oh! so if you use RTSS you can limit the framerate to about 5-10fps above the highest framerate you seee, and it pretty much fixes the frametime issue and any microstutters. ;) the closer you are with the limiter to your framerate, the better :D
Terrible game to test this with. I can't wait for support in Cyberpunk. I started a new game on my Win4 with a 6800u. My current settings allow me to run at about 40-45fps without FSR at medium settings in 720p. If I can keep the same framerate and boost the resolution to 1080p I would be very happy with it but the best result I would like is 60fps at 900p and maybe crank up a few settings.
Everyone keeps saying its not usable, but I use it on every single game I play and its been fine for me on a 6800xt. Is it perfect? no, but it boosts my fps everywhere and smooths out places it used to stutter in cyberpunk
I never understood why ppl think Forbroken is funny when so many other games get more praise and actually broken, there's ppl that like the game, hate trains aren't cool
The Frametime graph is Just Broken, it was Just taking the real Frames into consideration... Like for first Frame 33ms real Frame later 66ms for the next real, later 16ms for next Frame, again 33 again 66 and again 16 for the 60FPS Framegen experiencie.
finaly my friend my AMD GPU will be faster !!thanks very much for this video i wait it and it here!!have nice sunday and great day !!always happy to flow this nice and wonderful chanel
I mean all i hear from people is complaints about the shadowing when an object is moving...can you deal with it or do you want a game to be unplayable? AMD is knocking it out of the park by enabling people with old hardware like mine to be able to enjoy games at playable fps. Nvidia can suck it.
if your able try looking at immortal of avenua or whatever its called you can enable frame generation on older GPU for some reason forspoken disabled it
To get good results with frame gen you need to think in terms of video compression. You can get incredible results with scenes that don't have lots of foliage or fog, you can double frame rates easily. With lots of foliage it is a mess, it's impossible to get good results as the algorithm slows your entire system trying to create a frame with millions of changing pixels in less than 8ms
you need to explain why forspoken is a garbage game and stop jumping to the bandwagon that it is , cause so far non of these talks have been true , it is literally a way better game than starfield , hogsworthless legecy and cybergarbage 2077, all overhyped trash that gets many years of excuses before their bugs and games are fixed while still being boring and terrible gameplay , i see there is a large crowd in gaming that supports this kind of buisness model and it wont be tolerated.
Me thinking this will help out the low end hardware users meanwhile its more like future games will just use this instead of bothering to optimize sigh
Kryzzp i need the 5700xt im thinking about the price and of second hand its glorious here in spain if u can do a test with Fg and fsr3 it would help me af
To be honest in with rx7900xtx look better and sharper and more responsive with Fs3 + frame generation than in native .i dont understat how this is possible
who would've thought we'd be back to this piece of crap game the game that started it all for all games moving forward this year sad times that this became our future for the gaming industry and when will fs3 be added to cyberounk a game that has made a huge comeback and we can play it now
You are way too generous to AMD. FSR sucks. Sure for stubborn Radeon owners they have to defend the only thing they got. They will say it looks good. It's like console owners who say Starfield is a good game. It sucks too for the amount of development time it was in. And it looks 10 years old. It's not a interesting or innovative game at all. I'd be more generous to the game if it had some massive innovation or original stuff in it. But it doesn't. It's average at best. So just like FSR I'm not gonna be sympathetic to it because of all the AMD negativity towards RTX GPU features. AMD wants it now. Lol. Too late. And it's still crap. So instead of walking through mud at 45fps you get to walk through mud at 90fps. Yay!!!
Locking the FPS to any value lower than the FPS you get with FG will make the frametime graph smoother!
I didn't know about this before I made this video. It was, again, my first look at the tech.
From my experience with locked FPS, it does feel a lot smoother but input lag will be a lot higher as well. Only good if you lock it to 100 FPS or higher.
Visual differences and FPS gains are the same with locked or unlocked FPS, that was the main point of the video anyways 🙂
Aaaand they need to work on flattening the frametime graph without an FPS lock and with FG, higher FPS = lower input lag and a smoother experience after all...
Why don't you try rx 5600 xt it's so wanted thise year
another EPIC VID BY OUR BOIII
it's all working very strange, the fps lock really helps and the game feels a lot smoother, on my 6600, I tried ultra settings first at 1080p, it was showing 30-35fps. with FSR 3 on the preset quality + frame generation, fps increased to +-90. At first it didn't feel like 90, but when I'm locking it to 80-85, it became really smooth. if we talk about input lag, yes, it is there, but I wouldn't say that I really feel it strongly, the picture quality on a 23-inch 1080p monitor has not become critically worse either, it looks as if the game is rendered in a slightly lower resolution than 1080p. Overall, I liked it, and this is just AMD's first attempts in this direction of frame gen.
Sadly with forspoken the demo does have fsr 3 but no fg which kinda sucks cause I have a somewhat okay gpu but wanted to test how dumb it would act if I was to do it. But the demo doesn't want you to be able to test it lol.
Is the in-game fps lock work? Or i need to use rtss or radeon chill?
Let's appriciate this man for playing Forspoken for so long, shall we?
so sick of shitposters
@@Tealc-hf1zk ok
@Tealc-hf1zk why is it a shitpost? Forsaken is a garbage game. It's a truthpost. Just a shame that AMD chose two awful games to reveal FSR 3 with.
@@keithprice1950 maybe they tried to make them look better idk
@@keithprice1950it was necessary to make them playable
I heard Daniel Owens say that the frame time thing is an issue related to how the game reports it's info to performance overlays when FG is on. So it's not an "ingame" problem
nice content , loving your indian accents you are the best indian tech youtuber !! jai hind
amazing how with fsr 3 on quality and fg the 6700xt which is considered a 1080p card can play 4k high smoothly, crazy
I love ur channel man
0:47 you can allocate some portion of your ram to vram???? How why didn't I know that? Is it possible on all pc or is it the once with special motherboard and GPU? Does it work on input?
Use vsync and riva tuner to lock the fps to the minimum you get with FG and it will be a very smooth experience
Sorry but if the refresh rate is higher than the max fps you can get in the game how can it be done ?
@@adriabdby rivatuner
Vsync is supposed to be enabled as FSR3 FG breaks VRR, also if the framerate isn't reaching the max refresh rate of your monitor you should also use a frame cap, either through Adrenalin or RTSS.
Apparently if Vsync is off it will work with VRR. Not sure though.
@@theboss8007 nope
Some people having success with vrr, most not, seems to depend on the monitor
The amd blog also mentioned a couple of other settings to make sure were off inside hyper-rx / adrenaline too. I think boost was a setting to turn off.
Turning on Vsync does felt smoother after turning on FG. Not turning on Vsync with FG will feel like FG is not even enabled. Using the built-in refresh rate counter of my monitor, VRR definitely works without FG with FG it kinda does? Turning on Vsync locks my monitor at its max but it definitely feels smoother as I said in my first sentence. Maybe my monitor's just whack in its counter.
Hopefully modders can inject FSR3 in other games!
You can already have Fluid Motion Frames in your RX 7000 Series driver, , you can turn it on in all your games ( DirectX 11 and 12 games )
@@XMoldyMeBut it's not as good as fsr 3
@@XMoldyMeits horrible though. without access to motion vectors the frame generation cant interpolate fake frames.
@@tunatuna4710 but it works, the whole point of it is to make games run smoother and it just works, the FPS number is fake, I wouldn't look at it
@@XMoldyMe it literally does not make the game smoother if you move your mouse fast, (which you do most of the time in games) frame gen gets disabled and does not add an fps boost when you move your mouse fast.
Not all consumers can afford 2k or 4k monitor. This video can somehow boost your confidence to go with 6700xt. It is powerful. Even for 1440p for other games.
That's true, hand with something cute.
No card will work worse at lower resolutions vs higher resolutions, better is better, nothing to worry about :)
it works worse at lower resolutions
I got a 43' LG 4K TV for 300€ used back in 2018 😎😎 quality's not the best and it's not even full 4K (because of the pixel structure) but I still love the experience.
@@Generationalwealth94 I had a 1080p lg tv of similar size, it just so happened to be one of the first IPS panel tvs out there on 2012. Got it used for 40 lol
Can't wait to see more GPUs tested !
it's good that you mentioned how badly optimized Forsbroken to began with, it's crazy how these mediocre graphics need that much of a GPU power to make it run at 60 fps, we are going toward a new era where half backed games will be released and then lazy games studio expect us the apply frame generation and it's "good to go"
Yup... that's the bad news about FG...
We're screwed. At least there are plenty of good old games out there!
It kinda looks like skyrim ngl but i tried black desert and it's kinda laggy as well
They probably didnt hire any competent art directors and art people in genera. Just ai generated the shit out of it because thats how it looks. On second though even ai could make more cohesive graphics than this mess.
Indeed, at 720p with Ultra Performance upscaling on an RTX 3050 I can drop to 55 FPS with that fire circle spell (and no, I was not limited by the CPU, I had 96 percent GPU usage), unbelievable... now I know that the 3050 is not a great GPU but come on, we have games that look and run better than this at native 1080p.
edit: and to make this worse, I was using low settings, not high.
When using Frame Generation, Nvidia rtx 4000 series automatically applies some settings (VRR gsync fressync + Vsync On Nvidia control panel + Vsync off ingame + reflex), with rx 6000/5000 rtx 2000/3000 + FG u are playing without any type of sync + latency reducer, so the experience will we bad.
then they should make it work by default or at the very least tell you about it! Bad implementation. Nvidia's works well without any FPS lock.
@@zWORMzGaming That's right, many people are having a bad time when turning on FG 😅😅😅
@@zWORMzGaming they actually said that it meant to be played with vsync on, so yeah
Yeah but the good thing about AMD FG is they support older GPu😅
I didn't see it, if I didn't see it, most people won't either :)
So it seems like if you can run at 60+ fps and good enough detail settings then it can work...."alright"
I still think FSR 3 needed to overhaul the image quality to match or do better than DLSS and not add stupid fucking frame gen...
AMD never misses a chance to miss
Fact is that assassin's Creed unity graphics are much more fancy and realistic than this new title😎
I think it's a great thing for a steam deck for example, because you can give yourself more settings and still have a smooth game. At the cost of a little more imput lag, but I guess it doesn't matter when you can play games outside or wherever
I just don't know why they're testing it on Forspoken, I would appreciate it in Starfield, Last of us etc.
Wouldn't fsr3 on the steamdeck with the low settings and low resolutions it needs to play at make every game look so bad it's literally unplayable?
Also bit hard for him to test a feature in a game that doesn't support it.
@@slayerr4365 You have to wait for the new Linux graphic drivers for steam deck and then we will see, so far the game crashes with FSR 3, but on ROG ALLY it works "great"
@@slayerr4365 I was thinking the same with cyberpunk 2077 atm with fsr 2, as fsr 3 still going to be heavily depend on fsr 2, but does play well and looks really good 30 to 40 fps. As for Frame Gen stuff still be abit until AMD drops the open drivers, I seen videos with the another game with fsr 3 FG supported but seem like it's not working at all.
Nice video as always. My 6700xt jumps in joy haha.
I dont know man, FSR3 still looks super blurry. Crazy how they dont get that fixed. At least in this game Native AA + FG is the way to go. Double the FPS and its super sharp.
You still have the flickering on some objects, but if they fix that a bit, AMD has a good competitor to DLSS in my book.
I guess it is hard to do because of the much older GPUs that FSR supports. If it was like Nvidia and was locked in the latest cards, I think they would flawlessly match DLSS.
FSR3 quality looks gorgeous at 1440p, the image quality difference is insane between 2k and 1080p
oh yeah, 1440p is a lot better :)
Maybe in another universe but FSR3 Quality definitely doesn't look gorgeous at 1440p, unless you are half blind ofc
You're just coping. Still looks like dogshit to me, but of course everyone expected FSR 3 to be disappointing. DLSS and even XeSS are still vastly superior.
And after waiting for so long too :/
@@darkfire3691 bro on a 27" 1440p there is nothing to complain about really, but on 1080p it's the same as FSR 2.1, maybe a little bit better
Native AA mode means the game will be rendered in the selected resolution (without any upscale) but receiving all the "buffs" FSR3 gives to the image quality (sharpening, denoising, antialiasing, etc).
Like DLAA then :)
@@zWORMzGamingyeah
This game looks so damn ugly. Even on high it's shit. I mean, I don't care about visuals normally, but when they look shit and need a NASA PC there is something wrong.
For me Call of Duty 2 from 2005 graphics is way enough, but COD2 has a clear and sharp image without noise. Compared to this Forsbroken looking awful.
I wish Forsbroken could have died in peace. The only thing I'm not sure about is: "Why the hell AMD presents its new tech with such a bad game?! Visuals and gameplay wise....
There aren't much more games which could have been worse for this tech presentation. Especially wanting to present FSR and using a grass intensive game.^^ *Facepalm AMD*
Thanks Kryzzp for your showcase.
The Most Honest Opinion 😂
On the 780M graphics AMD just released preview drivers for Fluid Motion Frames which in a way is FSR 3 but driver side. Would you be able to see or tell me if this is working for the iGPU at all? As it is technically an RDNA 3 gpu but I wasn't sure if got the feature or not
You should have used native AA + FG to reduce pixelation
It's weird actually , I used FSR Quality and it looked way better than native and native AA, no pixelation and a sharper, cleaner and smoother image. Native AA although it looked nice it was a bit too sharp on my monitor. I see people getting really conflicting results in general, it's probably the game cause in Aveum it looks great on everyone.
@@constantinesoldatos Yeh, no way bro. Native AA FSR + FG looks soooo much better. The Quality FSR3 mode is super blurry and borderline unusable in my book.
You still have flickering on some objects though. If they fix that, AMD has a good competitior to DLSS in my book.
@@patrickdergroenr1247 See this is the thing though, I believe you which is why it's so confusing cause on my monitor FSR looks better than FSR Native AA in Forspoken.. I don't know anymore, at this point I just think it's this game that has issues.
Aveum for example has a slightly cleaner and sharper image when compared to dlss but it also introduces tiny little shimmering spots on some places if you zoom in enough. But on normal distance they both look pretty much the same. So that's why I think it's just Forspoken being weird, I mean even before FSR 3 , upscaling looked off and blurry in that game in general.
@@constantinesoldatosYou are not alone. I would say that FSR Quality looks better than native and native AA. Its way more stable and still very sharp. In my case FSR3 on quality looks almost flawless. It's weird that you can hear and read opinions so different one to another
@@constantinesoldatoswith native AA grass have a lot of shimmering but with quality is more stable and yeah I think is just this shitty game
Thanks AMD for adding another technology Nvidia users can use
If only it's on something else besides forspoken or immortals of aveum.
Glad to see that FSR3 helps quite a lot for the iGPU. Frame generation tech should be for helping lower powered or older machines play modern titles, not for a 4060 or 7600 to be able to play at 1080p medium 😆
Not good enough. As long as they made us wait. There should be NO pixels, just a CLEAN smooth image. AMD love being 2nd best. Watch Intel take the GPU 2nd spot from them, while AMD keep it on the CPU level, while NVIDIA will hold the GPU spot all the way down since they're the ones innovating that space. Yeah, its called ForBroken, not ForSpoken
FSR 3 FG doesn't support VRR for now. Thats the reason why 60/120fps FG doesn't feel as smooth as native 60/120fps with VRR. And due to the bad frame pacing (because of the absence of VRR), you get all the jitters, slowdowns and stutters. Also, RDNA1/2 doesn't support Anti-Lag+ which will improve input lag further.
Thanks for the explanation :)
Loooool, doesn't support vrr, what's the point then, who tf wants to play without freesync 😂😂😂
I knew those are just gimmicks
Hey can you test driver level FG(from the radeon settings) in starfield with radeon 7000 gpus
Hi, I don't have any 7000 series unfortunately :(
AMD doesn't send me GPUs...
Gotta look into that though, I didn't know you could enable it in the drivers!
@@zWORMzGaming yes there is a weaker version for frame generation in the rx 7000 series driver but its still in beta and is having issues
@@zWORMzGamingits a tech preview driver you need to install
How do u not have 1mil subs? This content is amazing!
thank you! :D
Why do I feel screen tearing ? Is this because of TH-cam or something ?
VRR and Vsync were disabled for this test
Best configuration for RTx20-30 series cards would be DLSS + Reflex + AMDFG
lets appreciate amd for make fsr 3 so I don't update my gpu and still run my rx570 haha
lol Frame generation is NOT supported on old RX 500 series because it cant do async compute, ONLY GTX 16 series, RTX 2000 above and RX 5000 series is supported for frame generation
Damn forspoken with low 1080p settings looks so bad 😂 and use a lot of ram and vram 🗿
It’s an ok start imo by AMD, and like DLSS when it appeared in the RTX 2000 series, it was sub par in its release and matured in time and I feel AMDs product here needs a little refinement to be a great solution.
(I main an RTX 4000 series GPU and have an Rx6700XT which I game on occasionally so no fanboyism nonsense)
Why do you own both?
I wonder how will RDNA 3 Desktop APUs perform. I hope it gives like 1.5X more performance than the 780M.
That would be sick! I'll have a review of this mini PC in recent games coming later today and it performs pretty well for what it is.
Yup here I am with my 6800u handheld, would be nice if it was like rsr and can just be applied to any game
You first mistake was not reading AMD's recommendation for FSR3. You MUST have Vsync ON in the game to avoid stuttering yet you turned it OFF. The launch has turned into a marketing nightmare for AMD since every TH-camr is running it with Vsync OFF and complaining about it not being smooth.
AMD should work on their announcements. And on FSR as well.
Might want to revisit this when Meteor Lake drops. The iGPU is supposed to be VASTLY improved.
I just searched for this channel for FSR 3 now and just got the notification lol ❤.
FSR3 is now essentially in public beta. The upscaling part is basically FSR2.2, on top of which "fluid-motion" frame generator got slapped. Still needs a few driver updates to mature. Overall, it would be a complete release product when AMD adds it in-driver for RX 5000 and 6000 series. But honestly, I'd rather have "Native AA" mode forceable via driver, rather than FMF.
tried FSR3 in the Forspoken Demo with my rtx 3070, 32" 165 Hz Monitor and for me I have to say is huge game changer for future games , is not a pixelated mess like it mentions and it really grabs my attention why he says that hmmm I hope is not being biased DLSS 3, my recommendation is try it for your self and I can guarantee you you will be impressed by this tech, I been playing PC games since more than decade and I know when something important releases for the gaming PC segment and FSR3 is one of those things, I was planning in the future to get a rtx 4080 well not anymore.
The word pixelated mess is really exaggerated and far from reality. I personally tested it with 6700xt at 1440p resolution and I didn't notice anything like that. Maybe if I get 5 cm close to the monitor I can see it lol. From now on, I won't believe the review videos I watch until I see them myself.
i think u play this game before release date xd
I have a question... please how did you allocate 8GB for the VRAM .
This mini PC has an option for it in the bios. Some don't. It doesn't make thaaat much of a difference in most games though, since the IGPU will use system RAM as VRAM when it runs out of the allocated VRAM and it's already using system RAM to start with.
But it's a nice thing to have, a couple of games do take advantage of it.
Thanks 👍❤
Fg is recomended to work at 60 fps MINIMUM. So at least lower your settings to the point where you dont dip below 60fps with just fsr3 at 1440p...
1440p high with FSR3 Q and FG played really well. It was smooth, without noticeable input lag.
I dont know but this is the one and only game for me whose graphics wanna make me puke. Not kidding.
It's a bit worse on TH-cam ngl!
It's pretty sharp looking and grass looks good. Everything else looks meh or even bad (like trees at the distance are terrible)
Test fsr 3.0 on nividia 10 series
FSR3 frame generation would work best for games like baldur’s gate 3
Agreed
Awesome video! I wanna ask your opinion on the RTX 3080Ti in 2023 for 1440p gaming, can it provide a good playing experience in newer games?
Thanks!
Oh yeah, the 3080Ti is still a beast at 1440p :)
lets appriciate the hard work hes done so far. if you like Kryzzp Benchmarkings like.
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I’m glad you’re interested in the mini pcs I think they’re awesome. Very exited for rdna 3.5
Hey,you need to enable v-sync to actually see the smoothness of FSR 3, without it it just looks like it does nothing and just adds latency.
Despite that it does nothing at lower fps like 30s 40s....u still need 50fps plus to notice some increased smoothness with this tech...even I would say u should have 60 fps plus to get noticible smoothness...with fg ..if u r getting 30 or 40...fsr upscaling is only option
Nope it does work even at 30-40 fps, you can get it to look like 60 with FG, I've tested it, the only problem is that latency feels bad on mouse and keyboard, but on contoller I would actually be ok with it@@pk417
Thanks for the tip!
Still feels slightly better than without it, but definitely didn't feel like 60 fps.
@@pk417yes AMD themselves have already said you should have 60fps at least to get the best experience. This is applicable to dlss fg as well, it's just how the tech works nothing can be done about it.
I rather play 10 year old games at native resolution and maximum settings than actual games with lower settings and all those dssslfsrfgrr things
Esqueceu de testar com FSR3 desligado e usando só o FG
Hopefully Intel iGPU's are supported or i guess the modders need to something about them
Can someone tell me what headphone brand/model he is using?
Thanks!
Meze audio 99 classics
Thanks! :)@@zWORMzGaming
Surprised a bit with the negativity in this video.
Thanks for the video.
Come on I watched your videos as entertainment when I find some free time, but the TH-cam compression is killing the quality. 1080p/60fps now not looking good. they completely kill the bitrate.
KRYZZP!!! i have a question only you can answerr!!!! i dont have a 7000 series...can you use...and i repeat....can. you. use....FSR3 FG and Fluid Motion AT the SAME time :O! i hope you see this asap!
It looks okay. The biggest issues with the image come from the subpar upscaling rather than FG imo. AMD really needs to improve it
Yeah, agreed. And it could also be the game itself as well. other games have better FSR implementations
You can just use native aa with fg no need to use upscaling. It looks great with native aa
Somebody explain to me, that when I download a new driver of the graphic card, my Pc starts to get so much stutters. My graphic card is the RX 6700xt. Somebody help me, pls
now i appreciate my PS5 even more playing at 1440p max graphics at 60fps steady !
I dont play on my PC anymore the graphics on my PS5 are 1000x better than my pc
I guess it looks pixelated since according to AMD, FSR3 would have better results if your fps reached at least 60fps before you enable FSR3.
Frametime is all over the place thats probably why it feels laggy/stuttering during gameplay.
I'd kind of like to see how a 780m compares to a rtx 2050m.
I mean it was pretty good before but 2050m doesn't support frame gen.
Nice video, also I wonder if AMD Frame Generation is sm "worse" than nvidias or if amd made it good enough to the point they're closely the same thing
Fg is more or less on par judging from people's reports online
AMD shares their technology with Nvidia and older GPU's but when AMD focued devs want to exclude DLSS (Starfield) from their product, everyone freaks out and calls AMD the bad guy. WTF is wrong with yall. Nvidia should be obligated to share DLSS and FG with AMD products
is rx 6700 series support frame genration ? my gpu is 6750 xt ??
oh! so if you use RTSS you can limit the framerate to about 5-10fps above the highest framerate you seee, and it pretty much fixes the frametime issue and any microstutters. ;) the closer you are with the limiter to your framerate, the better :D
Terrible game to test this with. I can't wait for support in Cyberpunk. I started a new game on my Win4 with a 6800u. My current settings allow me to run at about 40-45fps without FSR at medium settings in 720p. If I can keep the same framerate and boost the resolution to 1080p I would be very happy with it but the best result I would like is 60fps at 900p and maybe crank up a few settings.
Everyone keeps saying its not usable, but I use it on every single game I play and its been fine for me on a 6800xt. Is it perfect? no, but it boosts my fps everywhere and smooths out places it used to stutter in cyberpunk
I never understood why ppl think Forbroken is funny when so many other games get more praise and actually broken, there's ppl that like the game, hate trains aren't cool
The Frametime graph is Just Broken, it was Just taking the real Frames into consideration... Like for first Frame 33ms real Frame later 66ms for the next real, later 16ms for next Frame, again 33 again 66 and again 16 for the 60FPS Framegen experiencie.
This would have been so insane if FSR 3 worked on Vega IGPUs. (Edit: Especially if available through the driver)
will work maybe on the next gen of procesor
@@lium54 Yeah, but ryzen 5000 APUs are basically the newest commonly available where I am, and that is what I ended up getting.
I think they already have "modded" drivers available for fluid frames on driver level. You can search it up, some videos on youtube up on it already.
NO, BECAUSE GCN CARDS CANT SINCE ITS BAD FOR ASYNC COMPUTE it will literally make frame gen looked like shit
@@Eleganttf2It looking bad does not mean it shouldn't be available.
AMD could haven't choose a worst game to "demo" their FSR3 technology... I can't even watch Forsgarbage without cringeing so hard.
I dont see any shimmering in Immortals using the 7900XT on a 1440p 165 hz monitor. Havent tried Forspoken.
finaly my friend my AMD GPU will be faster !!thanks very much for this video i wait it and it here!!have nice sunday and great day !!always happy to flow this nice and wonderful chanel
I mean all i hear from people is complaints about the shadowing when an object is moving...can you deal with it or do you want a game to be unplayable? AMD is knocking it out of the park by enabling people with old hardware like mine to be able to enjoy games at playable fps. Nvidia can suck it.
You should get AT LEAST 60 FPS for FSR3 to work the best, which is not great news for low end gamers looking into this.
Chris, why are you complaining about the textures in Forspoken when you're not using the highest quality textures the game has? That's very silly.
FSR 3 is not compatible with GTX cards? I just installed the demo and I don't get the frame generation option :(
if your able try looking at immortal of avenua or whatever its called you can enable frame generation on older GPU for some reason forspoken disabled it
FSR3 Native AA is something like Nvidia DLAA
I though i was the only one getting those crashes. 😂😂
Forspoken was cool to play but I couldnt listen to the character speak it was so offputting ultimately uninstalled and stopped playing indefinitely.
To get good results with frame gen you need to think in terms of video compression. You can get incredible results with scenes that don't have lots of foliage or fog, you can double frame rates easily. With lots of foliage it is a mess, it's impossible to get good results as the algorithm slows your entire system trying to create a frame with millions of changing pixels in less than 8ms
you need to explain why forspoken is a garbage game and stop jumping to the bandwagon that it is , cause so far non of these talks have been true , it is literally a way better game than starfield , hogsworthless legecy and cybergarbage 2077, all overhyped trash that gets many years of excuses before their bugs and games are fixed while still being boring and terrible gameplay , i see there is a large crowd in gaming that supports this kind of buisness model and it wont be tolerated.
Me thinking this will help out the low end hardware users
meanwhile its more like future games will just use this instead of bothering to optimize
sigh
As expected, they released FSR 3 just to be able to say that they have something to compete with DLSS 3 but they don't.
In 4k panel all shimmering and other craps desapear. You need disable AMD enhanced sync and disable Freesync on monitor.
Kryzzp i need the 5700xt im thinking about the price and of second hand its glorious here in spain if u can do a test with Fg and fsr3 it would help me af
To be honest in with rx7900xtx look better and sharper and more responsive with Fs3 + frame generation than in native .i dont understat how this is possible
Why does this game look like crap and demand soo much lol
who would've thought we'd be back to this piece of crap game the game that started it all for all games moving forward this year sad times that this became our future for the gaming industry and when will fs3 be added to cyberounk a game that has made a huge comeback and we can play it now
You are way too generous to AMD. FSR sucks. Sure for stubborn Radeon owners they have to defend the only thing they got. They will say it looks good.
It's like console owners who say Starfield is a good game. It sucks too for the amount of development time it was in. And it looks 10 years old. It's not a interesting or innovative game at all.
I'd be more generous to the game if it had some massive innovation or original stuff in it. But it doesn't. It's average at best.
So just like FSR I'm not gonna be sympathetic to it because of all the AMD negativity towards RTX GPU features. AMD wants it now. Lol. Too late. And it's still crap.
So instead of walking through mud at 45fps you get to walk through mud at 90fps. Yay!!!
If only FSR upscaling at 1080p resolution would be as good as DLSS..
Lets goo AMD They put frame generation just on the FPS graph and metrics, but not on the game!
Nvidia is the future
--->>> Forspoken 1440p RX 7600 8GB + AFMF vs 6700 XT 12GB ?
oh cmon, , an igpu has the frame generator while my gtx 1070 doesn't? this is not cool 😭
6700xt + FSR 3 + freesync = No gpu upgrade for 5 years for me :)
Still don't understand why people don't like this game. It's not great but it isn't the worst game ever made either
i have a amd radeon asus model 6600rx and i hope it will run just as good as that gpu but on different games😂