REVIEW - Simtag Tilton Black Edition Hydraulic Sim Racing Pedals
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2024
- Today we check out Simtag's Black Edition Hydraulic Sim Racing Pedals. These pedals utilise real life race car parts including Tilton 600 series pedals and Wilwood Master and slave cylinders and provide a very realistic pedal feel which allowed me to achieve faster and more consistent lap times.
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TIME STAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
0:30 - Hardware Overview
27:00 - Software & Calibration
31:53 - Driving Tests
46:00 - Conclusions
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I love how I’m watching these videos like my 16 year old self has a spare $2500 laying around.
Enjoy the content tho :)
Same 🙃
The feels when you're 36 and still dont have $2500 laying around.
@@KyleP133 Try being 47 and watching this :(
Getting into a sim rig and always thinking "Yeah this is cool" is exactly how it should feel. Another great video dude!
Thanks Luke.
Became one of my favorite channels nearly instantly. The quality of your videos are absolutely insane and I really love the electrical knowledge you have that I've always been curious about. Cheers from America, great job!!
Thanks very much Dustin. Glad you’re enjoying the videos!
Seriously love how particular you are about cable quality!!! Great review Will
Great set for those looking to simulate a real racecar. I learned left foot braking on them, transferred it perfectly to my real racecar. Great customer service aswell from Simtag.
Cannot wait for mine to arrive 😎
How much do these go for before shipping?
@@jrose7381 it's in the video at the beginning.
Misha? Youre getting into sim racing????
Will be cool to see you getting involved Misha. I’ve been enjoying your videos lately.
Oh seriously misha here too 🥸 and i need new pedals too lol
99% of all your reviews are about products I can't afford, but still love to watch them and dream away. I like it that you are still the same person as 2 years ago and it must be so cool company's send their high end gear. You deserve it and as a guy who has a mild form of autism myself, I have so much respect you dared to stepped out of your safe zone and started this channel. Up to the 100k followers!
Great review. I used Tilton pedals on my racecar when I was still racing. Great products!!! Glad to see "real" racing companies getting into SIM Racing.
A couple of years ago I was at my "local" autosport store getting a couple of steering wheels, gloves, boots and a seat. Had my old man with me who has been involved in motorsports for 60+ years and I pointed out these IIRC pedals and tried to to explain that given enough time Sim Racers will be running these in their Rigs. His stumbling block was a simple age and experience in building and heavily modifying race cars was "why would anyone use these as a toy. " I'm still trying to get him into my rig every time he visits but he just nopes out, looks at it shakes his head and changes the subject.
They don't manufacture those themselves, Simtag just uses real Tilton pedals and modifies them for simracing
Crisp review Will, thanks. I plan to get a set for my SC2, can’t wait.
Great pedals! Always appreciate your content - brilliant!
Simtag has new 2 and 3 pedal sets available for pre-order. Can't wait to see your review as these use Simtag's system. Side note: Tilton has a CNC'd pedal linkage kit for $155 US. Should only take a small amount of work to "upgrade" to this set-up, but worth it in my book to have some more real race car parts, and will definitely be doing this to mine. Additionally it looks like one could upgrade the actual pedals to the Tilton 800 or 900 series fairly easily.
I'd like a proper comparisson between these, the RealGear, Racewerk, OBP, Heusink-Ultimates... all of the more expensive side of the hobby.
All of you established content-creator guys do some really nice, proper reviews of a single product these days, but being not afraid to compare them is what some of us would like to see!
I know a lot is about personal preference, but a truthful comparisson, especially with the downsides of each and the relative-price to the performance should highlight some clear winners.
Holy Moly they look quite intimidating just sitting on your bench. Some serious kit here, thanks for the review Will, there actually is not a great deal of content when it comes to the very high end. Which is understandable.
Not all nitpicking is that. You just have a professional eye for detail. And you are right. Would be my exact comment too on these details. I will modify this from the get go. Thank you for the review and spending the hours testing.
True. I called it nitpicking because none of the things I thought could use improvement have an impact on the driving experience. More just presentation.
It's interesting hearing you talk about different clutches and how you don't feel that having that "rollover" feeling like what you'd get on the Heusinkvelds isn't all that necessary as you stab at it. It made me reflect on the fact that my clutch in my irl car doesn't have any feeling like that at all; it's very linear. I don't do heal and toe and I certainly don't stab at my clutch, so that's given me more time to think and analyze. Very interesting.
That’s the review I’ve been waiting for.
Glad it helped :)
Think I've found my pedals have a feeling these will give me a litttle bit more immersion..thanks for the video Will!! Interested to see how the training helps you get faster
nice job Will, would be nice to try these.
I have just ordered the 2 pedal variant of these, I've been using my Heuskinveld Ultimate's last couple days after receiving them, while they feel really nice to use, I'm returning the ultimates, I cant get these Simtags out of my head lol.. You can get the SimTag 2 peddle set for basically the same price... great vid
The setup of the 2 pedal set is different. I believe it is a lower end setup
I have ones for almost one year pretty glad
Good review . There’s a non clutch ver which is cheaper for people who don’t use a clutch
It's nice to see it's not a million miles away from my DIY LeBois £100 hydraulic brake pedal 👍
Im glad to see a proper Review i have the pedals and i only saw one in french
All my doupts were taken direckt to the guys in simtag i need to say they are awesome
Thanks boost media for the Review and also simtag for the trust in you for giving you the pedals
Just being pedantic, but TPS are commonly non-contact hall effect sensors(rotating magnet) instead of potentiometers nowadays.
finally you have the best pedals :-) running mine since 14 month - enjoy them - they are only great
Wow thats so good
Great review! I have a set of Heusinkveld Sprint, but I have always wondered if real hydraulic pedals would make a great difference in performance and immersion. Should I upgrade?
I had the same leaking problem with Wilwood slave cylinder. I found a solution. I dissasembled slave cylinder, took that metal centre rod and polished. I used 1000, 1500 and 2500 grid sandpaper with water, and after that, I polished it ( cheap polishing paste). After that I dont't have any leaking form slave cylinder.
Good info. Thanks!
@@boostedmedia No problem :) I hope that I wrote it quite clearly because my English is not very good :) The whole problem with this leaky slave cylinder is that the central bar is machine finished and is rough. The only seal is a small, rubber O-ring in which the rod slides. The brake fluid is trapped in the unevenness on the bar and the O-ring is unable to remove all the fluid from the bar. The polishing of the rod makes the surface smooth and the O-ring seals better. This procedure also extends the life of the O-ring. I use OBP pedals and I have one slave cylinder. In my opinion, such a leak should not occur, especially since these parts are used in real cars. In addition, the leaked fluid can damage your home floor. Also, such responses from the company as to wipe the liquid from time to time are, in my opinion, unacceptable. Especially since these pedals are expensive. I think they could use parts other than Wilwood. Maybe it would be better.
Amazing pedals and review. I am curious how truck simulator looks on your amazing setup. I know it seems dull to all the racing violence, but it's actually really relaxing from time to time ;p. I often listen to podcasts and just drive. And truck shifting is hella fun.
American truck simulator is why I got in to PC gaming lots of fun
If only it had proper triple screen support, I might play ats more. It's quite disorienting to actually have 180*fov triples unless the software can render the side screens correctly. I heard there's a VR beta version, but I haven't checked it out yet.
@@Ben_Chillin but I have seen really good calibrated triple screens in ATS en ETS2 on youtube, I have also done it really good but it's been a while ago.
I only play in VR nowadays, it's really amazing. That's the thing with VR, surroundings are suddenly way more enjoyable. Just driving and looking around and enjoying the view, it's really cool and intuitive I genuinely feel like a badass trucker ;) :P. But you need a beefy pc, because of the bad optimized engine.
@@Hani_Santa You've done it? If you know of a way I can get mine working correctly, I'd love to know how! There's simply no options that I can find to put in the needed information about the angle of the side screens
Great review, order placed!
Received the pedal set, installed and few setup tweaks, and on pace straight away, Whole different world of feel, certainly adds immersion and performance. Ended up running the softest setting for the brake as out of the box, by god was it stiff with the two x red rubbers.
I think you’ll like it even more with one red and one black. 👍
@@boostedmedia Maybe they soften up over time? With both blacks shes still a workout. Out of the box, with both reds, that was nuts.
Need to stop skipping leg day mate 😂
Nice rig ...
Thanks for the awesome review! This helped answer some questions I have for my DIY hydraulic upgrade to my HE Sprint brake. FYI looks like these Wilwood Slaves have some bad reviews on the racing parts sites. Many users saying they fail within a couple hundred miles due to the o-rings instead of cupped seals. Probably the same thing you noticed with the oil weeping. If anyone knows of a more reliable Master/Pull Slave combo let me know!
I'd be interested in your DIY sprint upgrade info.
@@Succotash3 sure absolutely! I've picked up a WIlwood master cylinder kit (P/N: 260-12385) to mount directly to my pedal plate behind my HE sprint brake. The plan is to leave the HE brake entirely intact, but disconnect and remove the dampener rod to connect the WIlwood master. Braided brake lines from the master will run to a set of WIlwood calipers (likely a pair of GP200's) with Honeywell pressure sensors or equivalent installed and routed directly to the input on the back of my Simucube Pro wheelbase. The calipers will contain Wilwood pads and a steel "disc" block that can be swapped out for different thicknesses to adjust the take-up feel. Rubber bushings installed inside of the caliper pistons to retract them on brake release. Still a work in progress but can provide a more detailed summary once complete.
@@BarneyLux this sounds wild
@@tompeters458 I actually finished it up a few months back and absolutely love it. I tossed up a post in the HE owners page on FB with all the details. I should probably make a TH-cam video with a breakdown.
Great review will...sort eased my mind about the weeping as i have a set of OBP pedals with same slave and they require a wipe every now and then.....Do you have a review in the pipeline for the OBP V2 esport pedals at all...I already have them but i'd like to see how you thik they compare to other pedals on the market.
Haven’t tried those specifically but we’ll see.
Since filming this I’ve also had another set of hydro pedals with the same slaves on them snd they’re weeping too. So I’d say it’s just a characteristic and nothing to worry about as long as it’s holding pressure.
Thanks for the reply man!
Yea try get hold of a set, as far as im aware there is only 1 review of them on TH-cam! They're a UK based company.
Keep up the great work Will!
Will you review the new Ashleys as well?
I don't understand why people are so afraid of potentiometers. They can be highly accurate and extremely reliable, the problem with most low end uses of potentiometers is they get low quality pots. I'd prefer a high end potentiometer with low PPM over a hall effect sensor that has a very unstable reading, and very susceptible to EMI any day.
Exactly.
Will you be able to use them as inverted pedals?
Did you try the red rubber on left vs. right side? I have red on left, black on right and it's very (too?) stiff. Great pedals and support from Simtag!
Interesting. No I didn’t try swapping sides as I can’t imagine it would make a difference.
Does anybody know, does changing the bushings/ springs in the brakes adjust the front/rear brake percentage?
Hi Will, do you think that these pedals could be mounted directly to a Trak Racer TR160 pedal plate?
When the HPP JVB’s review coming up Will ? :)
Fast forward to today... will you still buy a hydraulic pedal set or stick with load cell pedals?
Does Simtag 2 pedals models work with Fanatec Podium DD2 ?
So what’s better heuskinveld pedals or these for f1 sim ?
Wish I could afford a set if these I like a brake like that guess my fanatec v3’s will have to do
Hi,
do you think that with the HE Ultimate I should think about replacing pedals?
Will the difference be noticeable and is it worth it?
Sorry for the stupid off topic question: You drive the F40 in beautiful rain. Is this AC with rain mod? Btw, great review!! ;)
I was wondering that as well
Why does Simtag use two brake cylinders?
What is the advantage?
Does it require DOT 3 or 4 brake fluid?. LOL. Great review like usual. Keep up the great work.
They didn’t come with spare fluid so I’m not sure but I think dot 3 would be fine. The two are compatible. 4 just has a higher boiling point which is not relevant in this context.
@@boostedmedia Thanks for the quick reply. Look forward to your future content.
I got these in my BMW E36 and it cost less ж)
Did I understand correctly that this is using a real car throttle potentiometer and real car brake fluid pressure sensor, both made by Bosch?
Couldn't make up from the video but looked like it was only one pressure cable that was reading the fluid pressure from the left slave cylinder. So they are not connected, only one side is providing the info to PC while the other side is only for adjusting the pedal feeling... (in real car it has 2 master cylinders on the pedal usually 1 for front and 1 for rear hence also the brake bias adjustment)
Yes that’s correct. Pressure is being read from a single side.
You can a set of those pedals with master cylinders and from speedway motors in the US for $664 not sure how much it would cost for all the other parts needed.
I concur. I'm actually in the process of building a set of these(got from Speedway!), using tilton master cylinders and throttle linkage... Going to be in it for around $1000 and I'll bet mine end up a bit better quality than these. Quite a bit of mark-up here.
I'm thinking. Hmm, house completion versus sim setup 🙈. Thats not a cheap investment. Could you say from your experience that time spent with any pedal set of say Sprints and upwards in value that you can get used to them and arrive at the same times ? I guess some will get you to those good lap times quicker. 🤔. Anyway, still love your work. 👍
Nobody “needs” pedals this expensive. Some of the fastest drivers are using Logitech setups. It all just comes down to whether the value for money is there for you in your personal circumstances.
3:56 🤣 Every day is chest day!
Lmao!
Considering these offer the SC2 hookup I'm surprised you didn't compare the experience to the Racewerk Comp pedals. There is a big difference in price between the two and it would be good to know what differences in experience you felt. Anything you can share?
Check the pinned comment on my racewerk video. I’ve had two racewerk brakes and one clutch fail so far so it’s hard to draw any conclusions. I’ve just received a 3rd set of hardware to test so I’ll let you know.
From the time I spent with the racewerks before they failed I’d say the driving experience is quite similar. But if they’re not reliable then the decision is simple.
We’ll see.
@@boostedmedia wow. I'll go back and check that out. Hopefully third time's a charm. Keep us posted on what happens there. Not a lot of content on them other than yours. And thanks for these every thorough reviews.
the strange think about Racewerk is if you ask somebody who have them already 6moths or more, they all will say is the best, no problem with them etc etc... but reality is diferent, Will have trouble, and only here u can see the real situation, dont know why nobody share any experience for real. Racewerk go with some kind of solution to fix, what to fix if nobody have any problems... and normal will be Racewerk say something public about it
Are these the kinds of pedals you'd recommend if one is primarily looking to play rally sims?
I do t really have enough rally experience to say with confidence. Sorry.
Unfortunately there is nothing new here, I built a set just like this when the sim would first started experimenting with hydraulic pedals.
They are a little more refined but essentially the same, but still prone to the wilwood slave cylinders leaking.
Hey Will, What are your pedals mounted to ? :)
P1X
Great video thanks! Only my opinion, but that's quite a lot of little issues for a $2,500 pedal set. That's one of the most expensive pedal set and having 3D printed parts, a very basic software, only few choices of bushings and springs is a bit of a shame to me. Paying that much, I'd expect my pedal set to be perfect!
That’s exactly why we called those things out. I’d also like to see them addressed for the price.
Excellent point here!
very cool.. just about what I paid for my e46, but very cool.
These are more expensive versions of the Ricmotech pedals with I'm seeing like 2 differences not counting the paint.
I was worry also with the no screws conection but i can day long this almost year the cable stays there never happened to disconect
Seems crazy they are charging 2500 with 2 potentiometers attached. As an EE, there’s no potentiometer out there that doesn’t take damage as it rotates, not a lot, but over a million cycles it changes its resistance until it fails. At 2500 bucks I expect both those to be hall-effect sensors, so they don’t wear out... simply crazy... why put such great equipment then have the interpolation be basically the same as the g29.
Blows my mind. The best hardware+ terrible sensors = terrible system.
Yes, hall effect would be expected, I'd accept good linear pots at this price also. These are definitely overpriced no matter how you look at it, other converted pedal box designs are cheaper and fully custom sets are still cheaper...
Do yout know about any good pedals on the market that use hall sensors? It seems like every brand uses potentiometers..
@@wuzumaki I’d check fanatec and thrust master both use hall
Hi Will! May I suggest wearing a different colored shirt? Your black shirt camouflages the black pedals in some camera angles.
Did I miss something or why is your brake pedal input never a 100% but only ever close to 50%... ?
If you brake past about 80% in this car you lock up. No ABS.
@@boostedmedia oh... thanks, was not aware ^^
i am so good at being the first viewer
We already had real steering wheels, ebrakes, seats. then we had Quaife shifter. Now we have Tilton pedals. There's nothing left to present into sim racing lol
Wait for it! :)
@@JanosZsinor i do)
@@Snoop.Driftera countdown started. 😉 only 5 days away from the revolution.
@@JanosZsinor what is it? Real car chassis? Lol btw i thought of replicating part of chassis in FRP at home some time ago, to allow me install real pedal unit and ebrake. But the only chance i had atm was subaru chassis, while i wanted nissan.
A lot of this looks very prototype to me. A bit shocking for the price point. Not everything that works well in the automotive world does equally well in simracing...much less adjustment than on other products. Thanks for the great review Will!
Definitely best to stick do a bespoke design, not a converted pedal box, something still hydra like the HPP JBV is full billet construction, amazing design and a lot cheaper than this.
Why run 2 sets of master and slave cylinders? Seems like added complexity for no reason, no?
Not 100% sure. I think it’s due to the balance bar style design.
@@boostedmedia ah I think you're right, I was asking because I have a similar set of pedals, same concept, but only 1 set. However looking at mine they're laid out quite a bit differently so that's prob the reason. Thanks for the response!
Not sure on this setup, bit I'm a "real"car, the 2 master cylinders are for front and rear brakes. Can you adjust/change front to rear brake percentage with these?
Use mineral oil instead of brake fluid in case you get a leak.
Anyone else guilty of investing wayyy too much money into sim racing when could be spent on actual racing? I just feel that ultimately my money feels better spent with sim racing because I can race every single day with no risk and nearly no wear and tear costs as well as all the other expenses that come from real racing or track days.
Actual racing requires an actual car which costs way much more than any simrig on the market.
I think it is kind of funny on they call this Tilton Black Edition when the most important stuff is made by wilwood. asking 3000k for wilwood is crazy. So I am going to pass my number one choice is still Ricmotech GTpro3 Tilton
I feel like I've just cheated on Barry
Lmao! Nooo don’t do that! Go watch an SRG video next :)
This is like foreplay 🙈
2500 euros. I really wanted these before buying Frex hydraulics. But, when i thought of this for a moment, i appreciate the quality and the good product, but come on..cannot figure that out in my mind.
Wow I didn't think frex even existed anymore, I'd rather buy something bespoke than a converted box like these with stock, leaky cylinders.
@@hellobooom it is about budget and taste at the end. Have u used simtag before?
How do you like the Frex? How is their support?
@@drivendriver i like them! Support is very good via Facebook messenger.
2000 and they still use pot's?!?
Nothing wrong with high quality pots. Covered this extensively in the video.
@@boostedmedia I have always had very bad experiences with pots
IMO good enough for a throttle position sensor in a car, good enough for a sim rig. Not all pots are created equal.
No way, I'm first today
Looks like a prototype, not a final product... For the prize point these should be way more "finalized"...
they are going to absolutely gronk out your average spaghetti armed Sim racer with the constant pressure required to use them.
Not really. In fact I found them too soft on the softest setting. There’s plenty of adjustment to suit most people, although a lot of the benefit of having such high end pedals is lost if you’re going to run them soft and sloppy.
expensive stuff 2000 , measurable for only 1000 brake points [ 10 bit ]
Bro these petals cost more than my car
My dad doesn’t eat avocados
My man! I hate them too. Ewww
But, second is more special
Why is it NO ONE makes a top class pedal set that us normal everyday people can buy. I love the reviews but this is something that is not obtainable when I don’t even spend £2500 on a car let alone a sim pedal set
The SRP pedals we reviewed recently cost a fraction as much and were fantastic.
@@boostedmedia cant remember how much they cost but for me if it’s more then £300 it’s too much think I might go diy I bet I could make a real good set for less then £300
There's T-LCM from Thrustmaster. It should be good enough for most.
You have to be crazy or rich to buy these
how in the world is anyone supposed to actually be able to afford any of these!?!?!
With cash
@@LorenzoClara97 can I borrow some?
Looks like they rushed it
Profit margin on these is ridiculous.
I did look in to that and to buy the parts here in Australia didn’t come up all that much shorter at retail price. I guess it depends on if they have wholesale supply and what their purchasing volume is like.
Never sure what Ozzie dollars are worth these days! But in Euros, If those slaves are GS like I think, 130 for the pair, 200 for the masters. then 600 for the pedal assembly. Lets say fittings and aluminium 60 Euro to round it up nicely as the cost is negligible.
I'm unsure of the costs for electronics, but that leaves 1500 euro for those and profit! Great review none the less mind! But sim tax once strikes again.
Don’t forget the throttle position sensors, cabling, etc too. It ads up.
It’s just so needlessly complicated
Bruh these sim racing companies are literally selling stolen car parts
Evidence?
@@boostedmedia just a joke in reference to the quality of these products
Lol. I hoped that’s what you meant. No Honda civics with green neons involved I hope.
@@boostedmedia 🤣
for anyone buying these.... ull still be slow....
Banana
tilton is a joke, heusinkveld ultimate+ do same for lower price