REVIEW - MECA CUP1 Load Cell Sim Racing Pedals
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- When it comes to sim racing pedals, everyone has their preferences. So much of what makes a good set of pedals ultimately boils down to subjectivity. That said, there are some elements which are fundamental to a "good" set of pedals from a design perspective. Meca's Cup 1 Sim Racing Pedals have been on the market for a while now and seem to have established a good reputation among sim racers. So let's put them to the test and see how they stack up!
Thanks to Meca Sim Hardware for sending these to us for review.
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0:00 - Intro
1:06 - What's in the Box
2:19 - Hardware Overview
9:40 - Throttle Hardware
15:48 - Clutch Hardware
18:10 - Brake Hardware
23:10 - Mounting
24:25 - Initial Impressions & Adjustments
30:59 - Software & Calibration
39:55 - Driving Tests
53:58 - Extended Testing & Conclusions
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I have these, bought them because of Barry's review. I love them. The orange does essentially nothing, its too hard. I ended up at blue, blue black and its wonderful. The large brake pedal face with grip is also a game changer.
I have the Mecas now over a year in use and would never give up these ingenious pedals.
great review! its fantastic having both of you in the video. you bounce ideas of each other etc
for the throttle, as it's a spring that push the load cell, it's actually measuring pedal position and not a pressure.
how it works ? physics :)
SpringForce = SpringRate * PedalPosition.
LoadCell Voltage = Force * Constant, the Force being the SpringForce we have
LoadCell Voltage = SpringRate * Constant * PedalPosition. SpringRate being a constant too.
Great review, i love my new cup ones.
Keep up the Good work.
Excellent detailed review Will.
Great review! Love the way this is broken down and the style is as usual easy to listen to and really informative. All the best!
I took the gamble of buying a set of CUP1's in late 2020 and I haven't regretted the decision 1 second. Will' review is 100% spot on. They're definitively not cheap, but I'm 100% certain these pedals will last me at least 15 years and probably a lifetime. 1 of the great aspects of the CUP1's is that most parts are generic bolts, nuts, washers, etc. Even if they wear down over time, it'll be easy to replace them. And there's just no way you can destroy the big components like the baseplate, pedal-arms, etc.
Another thing to mention is that even though Meca is a small company in Europe, they're offering amazing customer support. It's easy to get in touch with them and they try everything to make you satisfied. They even offer free upgrades to customers who were early adapters in 2020.
Would I buy these pedals again? 100%.
Probably never gonna have the budget to buy equipment like this, but watching your reviews is amazing! Keep up the good work, genuinely engaging content this
I have these. Bought them when I saw Barry’s review. I absolutely love them.
Great video guys. You guys should do a review on the Simworx 3.1 pedals !!
Wow, these are gorgeous. I really appreciate the thoughtful design and engineering of these, and that clutch mechanism seems so clever. Definitely an attractive option, but also probably way out of anything I'll be able to afford, lmao.
Can't believe you guys don't have experience with manual cars IRL?! Hopefully one day you'll get the chance to learn. ;p
Tom doesn’t, I do. ;)
just got these pedals, THEY ARE AMAZING GUYS, coming from Heusinkveld Sprints, it is night and day!!!
Hi m8, what is better opossite sprint? Todat i order sprint teamredline..
Great review
Good stuff amazing pedals thats for sure lol I love the squish on these pedals they are absolutely my favorite pedals to use and yes even stock load cell like I keep it how it comes and love that it's all preference but for me it's just right lol
When are u testing the new Simagic pedals and simagic Alpha mini base? :D
love all your videos. I've been using Fanatec V3s for about 6 months and heard you mention these feel similar. Would this be a worthy upgrade in how much control you feel?
Can you please do a comparison video between the
Meca Cup1 & Heusinkveld Ultimate+ or can you offer your opinion on which of these are the better option?
great vid. these pedals cost more than 3x what my whole rig costs lol
Tom how do they compare to the SRP GT?
@boostedmedia, any chance we'll see a review of the Meca EVO1?
Looking at the angle of the pedals and the adjustments, it appears that the only way the pedals will adjust is more angle toward 90 degrees. Is that the case or am I looking at it wrong? The pedal set looks great and you did such a thorough review. Keep up the excellent work!
Yes that’s correct.
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Nice review. Now it would be nice to compare these to the BJ Simracing load cell pedals, you liked their hydraulic pedals and the load cell version is the same construction, but even lower price than the Meca CUP1.
Yep. Will do ASAP
@@boostedmedia I'm looking forward to that. Your brother giving his insight as well became a big plus lately. Keep it going.
Could you bolt these directly to a TR80?
Hey Will I am currently in the market for new pedals and would love your opinion on three sets Which of these would you choose. BJ sim hydraulic
HE ultimates
Meca cup 1
Thanks mate your opinion would be greatly appreciated.
Or the new Simagic pedals...
Hard to tell from the camera view but maybe it’s worth trying to offset the throttle back from the brake a bit. I.E. it’s getting closer to being level when brakes are applied. This will reduce the wear on the boots and should help keep brake pressure on / consistent when doing heel and toe (check telemetry and see if your brake pressure reduces when reaching for the throttle, with the arc your foot needs to do to connect with the throttle I imagine you may soften brake pressure unknowingly). Your technique is good though, I think a slight adjustment would help you on all pedal sets.
Good suggesting. Didn’t try that specifically with these pedals but have done in the past with others and found it awkward. But I think that’s just down to inexperience. I need to spend a day just getting used to it I think.
@@boostedmedia as being a Meca Cup1 user for a year now (with very occasional heel'n'toe action) I can second the opinion that offsetting the brake pedal to be in line with throttle when pressed to around 50% is the way to go, at least for me. No issues with cut sole or anything. And thanks for the review, interesting points :)
Great pedals ❤️ love mine
@@WhippyWhipGaming Look in the description, you can choose your location in their shop. There is no option for the UK but for Europe.
Why don’t games have a calibration method using a slider with 3 markers 1st for start, the second start of disk break and 3rd end of break disk
Fantastic pedals it's just a shame there's no official software for people who like adjusting curves etc.
do you recommend using that software to calibrate any type of pedals bro? are they good for fanatec v3? I hope you can answer me 👍
I don't get the point in having a load cell for throttle instead of hall sensor or good potentiometer. Is there any car in the world using pressure based throttle?
Not that I’m aware of.
What do you think of these VS Heusinkveld?
Covered in the video
Would love to see you review the simtrecs pro.
Am looking towards something more high end then Fanatev V3 pedals. Ideally hydraulic but don't want to spend unnecessarily. Price / performance would be very important.
Also want to avoid HE pedals as have had previous bad experiences with reliability.
Any suggestions?
These would probably be a good fit, or the SRP pedals we reviewed recently. The BJ pedals were very good too. We’ll be reviewing their load cell brake soon too.
@@boostedmedia sounds good I'll be sure to keep and eye out for those and rematch the other too. Thanks for the reply!
I have the Simtrecs Pro and am very happy with them so far. My previous set were HE Sprints, which are also very good pedals and I had no reliability issues other than using PTFE very two weeks for the clutch squeal. The one thing I have noticed is that the throttle spring is light and a couple of reviewers have mentioned it already. They are developing a stiffer spring, which will be a welcome addition for me, personally. That being said, I did set a personal best with these pedals within a couple of hours of using them. The only thing I adjusted were the angle of the pedals and reduced the throttle range to 80% to achieve that.
The pedals are smooth around the edges and have reduced the amount of dirt left behind from my shoes. With the HE Sprints, I would have to vacuum twice a week as the pedal edges would eat into my shoes.
Many people don't care about software, but it was a major selling point for me. If they didn't have software, I wouldn't have considered them.
Also, all of the electronics are contained within the pedal unit, which makes for a cleaner presentation.
For me, I cannot justify the price jump to a hydraulic setup when there is no software included and the increased maintenance required for them. I've had project cars in the past, and I'm at stage in my life where I don't want the hassle. You mentioned you had issues with HE reliability so maybe you might feel the same way.
@@timt8199 thanks for that! The rounded off edges are a big selling point for me. And the rest of the design is beautiful too. Shouldn't really make a diff but they look incredible. But from the reviews I've seen they seem to be incredibly good and also reliable.
Yes I believe they now offer a stiffer spring on the website.
But thanks again for the insight!
Are these xbox compatible?
This pedals vs HE sprints?
Thse are better then the Sprints any day. More like the Pros but at less then half the price. Simply excellent pedals! I have had them over a year and I love them even more now then when I got them!
I really think it would be a good idea if you did a quick 10 minute review also as an alternative :)
Sorry. That’s not what’s we do. Skip to the conclusion if you like.
How does its throttle feel and experience compare to something cheap like a G920? How important are these differences? My impression based on reviews seems it's not as important as the difference between the load cell to non-load cell brakes.
Armin, you are correct. In terms of lap time, the most important component is the brake pedal, not the throttle. The difference between even a cheap load cell brake and a potentiometer brake as in the G920, is worth more that an second per lap at at track like Imola, even more as you progress in your skills. I am speaking from direct experience. When I went from the G920 to a load cell pedal, I picked up more than a second on my best lap time within 4 laps.
Mate you're asking what the feel will be like between a product that costs 10 times more than the other, of course the Cup pedals are going to be better in every conceivable way possible
If your in the states guys , someone on eBay is selling Ascher Racing F28 V2 Brand new in box for $629 plus $20 for shipping he’s got 10 of them
Hi Will. You mentioned that you were used to Hydraulic pedals,, What make and model pedals are they? And are hydraulics a better pedal than load cell pedals ?
He's been using a set of the HE Ultimates + for a couple of months now I believe and yes they will almost always be better than load cell pedals
I bought these peddles and they feel great.
Best non-hydraulic set on the market.
i AGREE 100%!
Would they work on a csl elite ps edition?
I thought the VRS DirectForce Pro pedals are slightly better. Where do you see the advantages?
I would hope the manufacturer wouldn’t use cut off hose on such a high end pedal set. Pretty’s sure its pinch weld.
I am torn between these or the new vrs .
That setup of dampers does not make sense (you even see it when the pedal compresses), may be 2 blue ones and one black
I believe you do the math wrong in the calibration in diview according to the instruction. You add the min to the max and divide by 2. Your supposed to subtract the minimum from the maximum then divide by 2 then add the minimum to find the middle.
Same result
Sure enough lol great review just added these to the rig
Haha don’t worry mate. It had me scratching my head too. Had to get Tom to check I wasn’t missing something. No idea why they did the math that’s way in the manual.
There is a new software, one click setup.
Is the new software pretty good mate? Cheers
"load cells measure pressure" - a fallacy spoken by many
No - load cells actually measure deflection.
Yes and no. Internally it’s converting deflection of the strain gauge into a varying voltage, but externally, a load cell measures force in the form of pressure, torque, compression or tension. It doesn’t inherently measure deflection, although it can be implemented in such a manner as we see with the throttle and clutch here.
A better way to explain it would be “a load cell uses deflection to measure force”.
Neils Heusinkveld has a great explanation here:
th-cam.com/video/SEWrTv9t0nM/w-d-xo.html
@@boostedmedia
Agreed,
a load cell uses a change in the state of a metal to give a voltage which can then be read as an applied force, in pretty much the same way as does a Hall sensor - i.e to read change in a voltage an an applied force.
Normal wire wound potentiometers are the true readers of distance as a reading depends on the distance travelled along a conductor by a moving contact.
I'm building my own pedals using Hall sensors, but as with the load cell here in your excellent review the true feel comes from the mechanism used to resist the movement of the brake pedal - not the load cell itself.
My main critism of the brake pedal here is the lack of the initial pedal dead zone as the pads close on the brake discs - unforgivable to me at this level.
Interesting debate and thanks for the link.
1500+ shipping and import tax👍
Made a loadcell brake on my G29 using loadcell from 5$ "smiley" electronic scale :)
User error I'm sure, but I could never get the brake dialed into a place where it felt good and consistent to me. I ended up swapping them out for a set of SimCoach pedals and have found exactly what was missing for me in the Meca and the V3 and I don't know why. My braking is so much more consistent to the point that I almost never think about it. They seem to have fixed the problems Will found with the hydraulics, I've had no issues. The thought and design that went it to the Meca pedals is very impressive though. Company c!early cares about putting something great into their customers hand and not just HE knock offs.
Goes to show how much of this is subjective. I loved the Simcoaches too. Looking forward to testing another set hopefully soon.
I have these. Bought them when I saw Barry's review. I absolutely love them.