The HUGE Tactical Shooter We've Been Waiting For - Gray Zone Warfare
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Would love it if they did actually implement a feature where you have to spot enemy’s at your LZ and you can hit a button to wave off the little bird pilot
Agreeds
or make it a big bird with AI gunners. if you want to camp LZ good luck dealing with miniguns controlled by AI with X-Ray vision turning you into mince meat.
The little bird pilot is the same guy for the enemy team , h'es working for them >:)
@@danilooliveira6580 honestly having the option to call in a blackhawk with door gunners for extra cash would be cool
Mini guns, or air configured 240s or .50s would be nice and realistic, but you need a copilot on the FLR to spot the enemy or else ambushes are gone. Other options could be armored convoys or parachutes into the combat zone and same options on the way out
I love the fact that there’s no raid timer. I hate when I’m on a time budget in extraction shooters. I love the fact that I’ll be able to hop in and do raids with my buddies at our own pace. Some of us like to play really slow and methodically without being timed.
I’m enjoying the idea of an open world map, as well. This feels like a mix of Arma and Tarkov. Can’t wait to try it
I'm a big Arma player. The persistence is the only reason I'm interested in this!
bro then you can just rat and afk for two hours until its empty. tarkov figured it out, this game looks mid af the ai is laugh out bad.
@@spoon024 there’s a difference between ratting and taking things slow, my guy. There’s lots of different mechanics that game devs can implement to counteract ratting. Don’t be one of those people that. Thinks every game has to be a PvP wet dream all the time, every time, all day. Some people like the slower and more methodical playstyles
@@kinnexion if im gonna be shooting bots all day (which is boring as fuck) they better have decent ai not this shit lol
@@spoon024 Willing to bet you also bitch about extract campers lmao
DMZ already solved the "squad mates hinder my task progression by taking away kills" problem: when a member of your squad does something that meets your mission criteria, that progresses the mission for you. This means helping your friends or new players is easy, and central to the experience
exactly
Then you still need to both have the same tasks unlocked. If I start a week earlier with playing than my friend then you’d still have the problem of not progressing when doing a task that i or him have.
@@2649 yeah fax
Yeah, and also they could give you a portion of the rewards when your squad mate completes a task, that way, you dont feel like it was completely wasted and you are incentivised to help your team mates
Too bad DMZ is dead though.
I've never seen drewski talk so much about fixes. Drewski is in love what this can be and I hope him and these other streamers can show the devs some good direction to take
It definitely has a lot of potential. Hopefully they can pull it off.
Go watch his ghost recon video, equally in depth
I saw his list. It's truly a good, cool list.
It’s amazing how it’s managed to be so complex and tactical while also being pretty accessible compared to something like tarkov since you don’t immediately lose your loot and people at base can help new players with stuff
thats why it will be boring
thats why it will succeed
@@kohnr3381and yet you’ll still play it
@@kohnr3381 Nikita shill right here
@@kohnr3381you do know this was the original vision for Tarkov right. However, Tarkov is slowly turning into just a glorified deathmatch. Nobody does quests, they just kill the first player they come across . Devs decided to profit out of the Esports market and leave it in a beta stage forever.
I belive a dynamic LZ system would be great, along with your suggestion about bigger zones
I would totally be a dedicated pilot if they made it playable. Giving each faction a couple little birds and dedicated pilot roles (in addition to the 16 player teams) while having optional preset AI they have for when there's no/not enough pilots on would be fantastic. Especially if they ever allowed for fire support with the need to go back and take a long time to rearm (essentially like an ability "cooldown")
Edit: As long as they do proper collective flight models and support HOTAS, of course!
To build off that, instead of rearming being just a cooldown at base, you should have to manually go grab ammo from a warehouse and reload the weapons on your bird. It would mean you can have dedicated ground crew if you need it to do rapid air attacks, but also make it simple enough for a solo pilot to do it. It'd be a minor feature for the most part, but also make it interesting for larger groups playing together.
It would awesome to have player helis and gound vehicles like in squad but they are a small team and that's a lot of work. I don't think we'll see that.
Agreed 👍
Oooh I'd love to be a dedicated pilot for these lilbirds
I would absolutely play this game if there was a dedicated pilot role.
Shared tasks are such a no-brainer. MMOs figured that out years ago. Just give 25%, or even 10% of the rewards, anything basically, to all the squad members who don't have that quest active, share the progression within the squad, and it's a totally different experience.
I had doubts but since I learned that the game has an only PVE mode as well, I'll check it out %100
Was that mentioned by devs? Or they said that u dont need to do pvp like all devs of this kind of games keep saying
@@Varitus it's PvEvP so it's more pve to pvp but you can shoot other player but it's not like tarvkov were you have to, you can hide a bush let the player pass or even talk to them that was the dev said for the game now we need to see if they stick to that
Love your work, brother. ❤
With good people like this congregating around, this game could have serious potential.
@@Varitus There’s 2 game modes one is PvEvP and the other one is only PvE and players can’t hurt each other
Muax in the wild let’s goooo
The starter towns being mirrored copy-pasted for "balancing" reasons is the same as me leaving dishes in the sink so there's a balanced amount of tableware in the cupboards and the sink
Exactly, I'm not gonna excuse laziness for "balance".
That kind of excuse from a game dev is PAINFUL to hear. We are not STUPID. 😂😂
Can’t wait to get the full game and see what crazy adventures happen
It sure has a lot of potential. I agree with every point Drew made and if they addressed each of them, this game will likely be the next big thing.
@@Soccerrockker6 hopefully they add some ground vehicles
sounds like a game which is going to be enjoyable in a year or so when the base gameplay mechanics are down
"Hunt: Showdown - the best of the bunch"
Preach, brother!
I have a pretty robust script for Arma3 that Basically does this;
~ I call in transport, pilot targets my actual location, enroute. Tranport tasks radio chatter when close and instructed to 'pop smoke'. Prioritized by color.
~ I had to make poping smoke optional, because i was told sometimes you have a radio and no smoke boss.
~ The AI decides closest to the support caller to land by internally dealing out possible landing location markers like a drunk poker dealer.
~ The smoke just tells the AI pilot where to land. Two things happen here. a) Ai refuse to land there (because it is complicated?) landing instead somewhere else... literally they might even just go back to base and hover until shot down or bingo fuel. or b) They, "OK BOSS" and Bin Landin' the helo tearing out a tail rotor on a fence or natural obsticle.
~ !This resulted in having to add the marker rotation placement triggered by popping smoke correlate to facing me. This way the heli lands on smoke, facing me, not just on smoke tail in the brick wall.
~ Also anytime a heli engine is off the Crew chief will get out and repair heli. No fuel no ammo not his problem. I gave him a steerable parachute because if the engine fails in flight he bails.
So...
Short of going into GZ version of Zeus and controling the pilot's landing yourself, often AI can fumble the stickiest of balls, in all sports.
07:30 The take on Tarkov quest is absolute on point and pure gold.
I don't know if the devs will see this or not, but an easy way to fix the quest system is to have server-side quests, which each faction gets a few of them at a time.
The quests would be separated into four types, blue, red, yellow, and green where blue is quests only your faction can see and they just always seem to be in places where other faction players are also doing quests, but the quests never line up so you don't technically have a reason to kill the other players. XP is shared among the squad that completes the mission and dibs system is implemented where a squad can say they plan on doing the mission but other squads in the faction can still go steal it.
The red missions would be shared by everyone on the server and give massive rewards to the faction members in the general area that got the complete, depending on if they participated in some way allowing multiple friendly teams to try to work together.
The yellow would be the spicy ones, quests that deliberately mess with other factions by needing to steal an item another team got or destroy a truck the team is escorting. The rewards would ideally be slightly less than the rewards for a blue mission so while you can go mess up the other players, it would be more worth it to just focus on your own.
The green missions would be similar to red missions, but everyone in an area gets a small reward for completion by being in the area, allowing several factions to possibly work together to complete the mission without fighting.
Oh man I’ve been watching people play this for days and have enjoyed it, but I’ve been thinking about the design a bunch because it’s got some big changes needed. You’ve absolutely nailed a bunch of stuff here - your thoughts on missions were great
Great idea for the LZs, I like it. There should assuredly also be a mechanic to tell your pilot to abort if there's a hot drop. Maybe a notification system telling you that there are players nearby and then you can chose to land anyway or abort.
Your idea about choosing heli locations within a grid is phenomenal . It would reduce the camping ten fold
Sounds like they should take a page from MWII’s DMZ, anyone on a team can progress any task that anyone on your team has. Allows you to work on tasks together, but also rewards you for helping other earlier tasks
Its a really solid alpha gameplay they showing. On discord u can see that the devs really care for the game and the feedback they get. They look in the game themselves, seek out them bugs and fix them. Also they show what they doing every week. I think this game will be massive in the future
Great feedback. Loved the LZ idea. Would be cool to fast rope down through the trees as well.
that c clamp made my arm burn
Gotta grip it like it's trying to escape from your basement.
@@GibsMeMoney wait what😂
Good to see I'm not the only one who looked at some stuff and went 'that seems kinda boring or done before'. The traders really jumped out at me for being what might as well be just static portraits... Like Tarkov.
A task like "hold a certain town or strongpoint for x amount of time" and the place is completely random, like a clearing for a chopper lz or an ammo depot or something, and when completed, you unlock a temporary thing like accessing stash for like 30 mins from an "ammo depot" or getting a chopper pick up and lz, and rewards for completing the task and killing enemies
With "Unheard" Edition dropping on Tarkov here I am looking for new games
Love how halo music goes so hard with just about every game.
Drew, you led me to Tarkov and that was years ago and to this day you are the best team commander I have seen.
I haven’t played GZW yet but from all the complaints I hear about the helo’s I think the best way to do it would be like the Huey from the ARMA 2 campaign. Where you can call it in and actually designate where it lands. Have it act as an air taxi rather than an air bus stop
A way to get around the team mate location thing, would be a wrist mounted ctab type thing, but have it so its zoomed on location with a span of 20-30m, since your forearm is in view alot of the time, even having a key-bind to just slightly move up your arm to get a quick look.
The quests with team mates thing, because sweats will try and speedrun the quests, have a set of 10-15 quests that are able to do a day, that reset while it will be repetitive, it would be the best way to get players on the same quests.
Thanks to drewski for taking it as what it is,, other streamers hype it so much and even title their video as the tarkov killer or something
thank you for the constant 10/10 uploads drew!
Your system with the helicopter landing, would also help the system of picking up your own body after dying, they could possibly do it so if you die at an inside an LZ zone you won't be able to fly back there if the system you suggested with deciding where to land more precisily were in effect
Your LZ idea is spot on, only to say you should also have the option of fast roping from the heli so you can drop into wooded areas also
the huge early access barebones graphical test streamer only gameplay we've been waiting for
6:20 Like you alluded to I hope they add a feature that you can plan the flight path, as well. Nothing weirder than a helicopter pilot flying right over areas where enemies would be.
These ideas for the issues found in this game are really great! Especially like the LZ idea. My biggest concerns for this game is the LZ system and the working together system. They for sure need a reason to work together like xp for for helping a friend or even if you are in the same party and you are doing the same task it shares the progression between party members.
What you said about tasks with teammates is one of the things I love about CoD DMZ. Sure DMZ has it’s problems, but being able to complete tasks collectively really makes you feel like a team, and is incredibly helpful
Group progression was critical for my DMZ experience. It's difficult to fathom this new game not implementing it. If I had to guess, their current release for streamer testing just didn't have it yet.
Love your take on picking exact Landing Zone. I hope they implement something like that!
you really make the topics come alive, thanks for your passion!
8:30 Simple solution, allow players to do a squad up to 12 people, which I believe is the maximum size a squad element has in the real world, and let them share task progress.
I absolutely love the map. It's like they plucked a patch of land from Laos or Vietnam, sprinkled in the towns and gear/attire from the Myanmar conflict for the NPCs.. feels real.
With BSG implosing today, this just became a BIG game drop, not just a conpettitive entry.
Almost at 2 mil dreski!!! feels like just yesterday you hit 500k.. You deserve it! love your videos.
The ambient Halo 2 music from Delta Halo mission is literally chilling how nostalgic it hit me after I realized, IS THAT HALO!!??
18:10 you should look into a tiny game called Stalcraft i believe it has run into many of the issues that this game is experiencing and has fixed a lot of them. it is a Stalker/Tarcov game and it had unique quests and gear to each factions , live events in the world for loot that would attract players of both factions to participate in , natural and unnatural weather events that changes how you play , ways to get loot other that combat , a player led economy , etc. The reason gray zone should follow that indie game is because they have worked on in for many years and worked out the kinks the only issue their game isn't big is because it isn't visually stunning but gray zone has that so if it could implement StarCraft's other features this game could be great
drewski actually has a vid on stalcraft, worth checking out
@@fiat4panda206 i hope he would look back on when he played it and would take the good things from that game and give the devs those suggestions since they might actually listen
@@RLXxEpic agreed, stalcraft has some nice things going for it
@RLXxEpic Stalcraft the Grinding simulator game?U clearly are a Russian fan boy of that game lol
@@login4780 Don't just to conclusions i hate that game i have a lot of issues with it but they did somethings right with their unique factions, quests, and way of handling persistent 24/7 map i am hoping gray zone warfare can learn from their mistakes and that dumb grind is one of them , but if Stalcraft followed tarcov/grayzone warfare's loot system it would have been a much better game. i am hoping they learn from the good and bad in Stalcraft here. it was just a suggestion
I really hope the devs catch wind of these ideas. I totally dug the analyses and can't wait to dive into playing this game, whether it's halfway done or fully polished. I'm totally down to play, report bugs, and hang tight for its full release. Even if it takes a while, I'm cool with seeing it evolve over time while still getting to have some fun with it during its development phase. Cheers
Guess this will be my new extraction shooter after the Unheard Edition debacle with EFT
YESSS. I've been waiting for this vid from you! Only person who's opinion I'll take seriously, personally. Much love Drewski
Looks good. Especially your character with a broken arm. Realism wont cease to amaze me.
the one thing COD did better than anyone else in the extraction shooter genre was the missions within DMZ. sure it had some fetch quests, but overall they were actually engaging.
Once again, absolutely invaluable feedback! REALLY hoping they listen to it, as this is the game I've been most excited for in years
If enemies are too close to an extraction it def should block you being able to extract or land. This could prevent dudes from just running from a fight in a cheesy manner at an LZ, and prevent infil camping rats. They could notionally gave the pilots thermals just so you have a realistic reason
Great vid. I liked your suggestions regarding Landing Zones. Let's not forget that this game is only about 20% complete. Huge potential here.
Always love it when drew uploads
Just one thing- if you're behind cover, being shot at from several hundred yards, the crack of the round passing you by will likely be louder than the report from the gunshot. It's been a long time but that's how I remember it.
unrelated edit: at 18:15, the bush you shoot through reacts to the shots. That's pretty cool.
Thinking you can hear someone walking through brush at 150 feet is absolutely hilarious unless it is dead silent and you have active ear pro on and whenever is it silent in the woods/jungle during the day.
ground vehicles would be a fantastic add either armed or non-armed so you can coordinate with your team if you want to do convoys or patrols in enemy territory
great vid. love the breakdown!
The heli feature is something the next Ghost Recon for sure needs haha. That would be so sick!
Agree with it being a bit weird to only have Helis, but also, I don't want ground vehicles.. and have not come up with a better alternative. Your idea on the LZs is the best I've heard by a long shot.
Yeah, the devs should implement something to deal with LZ camping. I like your suggestion of letting you pick a spot within a certain boundary. Another idea would be to allow you to shoot from the bird, or maybe cancel the landing and return to base, etc...
16:06 Those were some crazy good flight skills, the squad you were picking up mustve been freaking out watching you pull in 😂. I wonder how hard the flight is in that game and how long it took you to achieve those skills.
if the players had to clear a landing zone when they arrived at their destination, i think it would solve a ton of problems too. you could create your own LZ (almost ) anywhere. fast roping could be another mechanic to allow infil in areas that aren't good to land in, like dense jungle, over water, or on top of buildings.
2:32 I did not expect that name to ever be uttered in a Drewski video, literal jumpscare
verbal nine-banger
FR as someone who got up to rank 402 on Phantom Forces, I literally never thought I'd hear this from Drewski or any other large TH-camr I watch.
@@mistahsoul4077 honestly I still play it occasionally for nostalgia and it’s just as god as I remember
2003 Vietcong, loved that game. Calling in an airstrike was so cool back then.
A way to improve LZ would be to add weapons to the littlebirds like minigun etc, so that who's ok the helicopter has a big advantage conpared to those on the ground.
Another could be add taxi from amoured vehicles instead which would be less predictable and visible from far away.
You should get Story Quests in large batches, so you get like 20 quests that you can do all in the same town, and when you complete them all you unlock the next area, so at best you can catch people up quicker
I will be excitedly awaiting light vehicles with teammates and running our own small convoys in an out of towns. The possibilities here are endless, I hope they succeed in making it come true.
For the tasking, an “assist” system might be a good middle ground. Yes you could progress solo, but if you have teammates with you, that “assist” you, maybe it could reward them either XP or hear pulled from a separate “assist reward” pool or something along those lines.
i’m not a game dev so i don’t know how this would be implemented, but it’s an idea to prevent hindrance.
YOU MISSED THE SHOT! his head was moving to the left and he flinched!
Jeeps, bikes, and other vehicles would be so fun
Arma reforger with the sound mod is actually pretty good, there is a few kinks for sure but overall it’s better than most!
You know that little green/red light on all the BF2042 player models?
I feel like that’s a pretty unintrusive way to identify a friendly. Make it so there’s a little green light on all your buddies chest and backpack but the enemy can’t see the green light.
Yep, it's usually an IR blinker for night ops.
World Events would be great actually they could do bosses with that and maybe some areas could be blown up or have timers on explosives people could team up and clear out the place to get to the defuser etc. maybe a Supply Drop can drop in and have a few AI protecting it stuff like that would be amazing! (its early access tbh i expect those kinda things to come eventually, as its quite a easy and obvious content additions) and also being able to choose your LZ like you said sorta like Helldivers would be sick.....
(not exactly tho as you shouldnt be able to spawn inside a building, only outside in the jungle etc)
excited to see what they do with it tho in the future, as right now its really early access
like for instance the running/jumping feels like Call of Duty arcade-ish and not smooth/realistic-ish like Tarkov/Extraction Shooters
that mosin shot was like the scene from pulp fiction haha.
Would be cool if they implemented your idea of picking a spot inside a zone to land, and If they added the MH60 aswell, maybe make the littlebird come if you're landing in a clear spot and if you wanna land between trees the black hawk to fast rope out of into the trees?
From what you say, maybe they should implement a "Fireteam" system. Basically you can split up the larger team into four man squad and any mission completed by the fireteam results in all members of said fireteam getting the rewards. The balance is that the other three team members are now linked to your mission menu and cannot do their own missions while on yours.
This system could be useful as well in fixing the issue with the helicopter, your fireteam IC (The player who's mission you are doing) gets a military map brought up in front of their screen marked with where they can and cannot land. Only the IC can decide the specific landing zone.
Also maybe they could add a circling feature to the helicopters where the team can inspect the ground before landing say if the helicopter arrives before the IC making a decision or even a divert course where you can change where the helicopter goes mid flight. Say you have a maximum of two change courses before the pilot has to head back to base.
I've been calling for a ever-ongoing "extraction" map/server like game since early BF days, no one has quite implemented the concept yet, but it's only a question of time because it is close to what an actual area or zone of "conflict/war" et cetera would work like. The concept will prob work the best for "catastrophe" environments, like some sort of fallout or stalker setting.
Now of only we had a single-player game like this with competing factions on the map would be amazing but this is still great obviously
Haven't even finished the video, but have to thank Drewski for sharing your thoughts and experiences. We'll done. I'll wait on this game.
Let's Goooooo. Love the content. I can't wait to get out there and make sum clips myself.
Or they just build a feature that you can direct the little bird to anywhere. And the way you exit changed, based on whether or not it can actually land. And if it can't, you can instead fast rope out. That way it could drop you in the middle of a forest or on a mountain ledge.
I think I'll probably wait to play this game and save myself the headache.
I hope the devs listen to people like you & others & fix these things to make this game perfect! It looks super awesome can’t wait for it to be open to everyone
their rendition of the c-clamp just triggers me lmao. Devs, if you read this somehow, please let the thumb point in line with the barrel on the handrail. You see, it helps immensely to intuitively point the the thumb towards the threat. It really helps the brain to quickly align the rifle into the right direction. Completely grabbing that handguard like the largest Cock imagineable reduces the abillity of the thumb to actually counteract the recoil.
And it requires the wrist to be overflexed OR you have to grab the rifle awkwardly from the side, like in the game, which then eliminates your abillity to use your back muscles to stabilize the gun, and forces you to use the Biceps, which is super unstable and inefficient.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk, and now you cant unsee it too.
great review, though not surprised given your appreciation of hunt showdown, particularly the binaural audio, a masterclass in audio both for gameplay audio and soundtrack.
will be interesting to see if Gray Zone will run in vr with uevr mod as its unreal engine (i think?), until then back to the masterpiece that is hunt.
Look at all those trails... add armored transport trucks that can drop off or pickup anywhere along a road.
I would like to see something akin to the Blackwater battle in Najaf where an unexpected massive wave of npc hostiles roll in to an area a team is at, and they could radio the rest of their team to come in and back them up or exfil them to a safer position. It could be a story mission or allow for a unique event or be some sort of consequence for botching certain missions or playing too aggressive. Would especially work well if noncombatant NPCs were mixed to that crowd. They could pull wounded and dead into buildings or have a slight chance of picking the weapons up off the dead and fighting, forcing shoot/no shoot decisions that have some sort of in game consequences.
Video six of telling drewski I edge to his videos
I edge to your videos.
Keep going: you may yet achieve satisfaction.
One solution to the IFF issue could be faction patches. Each team has a different patch on their shoulder, in the sput that US uniforms have the flag on them. It's not a perfect fix but it keeps immersion while also providing an IFF solution
EFT also has some tasks that you excel at solo vs team. It's ok to have a mix imo.
IRL any LZ would be minimum 5 clicks from target AO. Also, 'false insertions' (2 or 3) help to throw off any enemies that may be inside combat area. That would be a sick feature.
i feel that since your a big influential mil sim youtuber i think they will actually listen to this information
i think this is the best critique this game has had since early showcase! very good constructive criticism shown here, i agree with all of it and it is the best list of features and QOL improvements i have seen on youtube for this game so far, i am optimistic that the devs feel the same way you do and they implement something to the nature described in this video
By chance have you had an inkling to play some more Reforger Deadzone matches?
I've lowkey been jonesin for some more of that myself, cant really explain it but its a vibe.
Dynamic Landing would be a very good addition.
I want to see this succeed, hope they find a groove, finding solutions to all the feedback I've seen in reviews. Like you compared with them specific Arma/BF, just more lore and objectives. Could see this in a Squad/PS/HLL maps, deploy as a squad (helo/parachute/truck), do things for your team as a squad, in a long running server, find personal progression, extract back to HQ.
Want to fix the quest system? You and upto 2 friends go upto the traders, the lead or whoever wants to do the quest opens the traders and selects "invite squad mate". Your mates accept. You do this for all quests you want help on. All friends helping get +35% of that quests bonus. Done.
Love the game idea so far for where it is at in development
Love the Halo music in the background