Great channel you should read Manly P Halls secret teachings of all ages 'readers edition' it will clarify the more mystical aspects overlooked in the mainstream
I got lost in a Croatian forest once ,near Dubrovnik, and found a Mithras cave covered up by roots and foliage. One striking feature on the carved rock was the scorpion attacking the bulls testicles. What the hell is that all about ?!
The mother-promise from Hebrew bible: It might strike your heels, you might strike it the head. better translated as: It will spill your testicles, but you will spill it the head. (genesis) Isaac was the manhood (firstborn) of Abram. God demanded Abraham to spill Isaac as a sacrifice. And Abram was willing to do so. Then God stopped Abraham and gives an animal to replace Isaac. (genisis) Jacob (Not the firstborn of Isaac, He stole this right from Esau his brother) had a fight on a riverbank with God. And God smashed Jacobs manhood (always translated as hip, very eufemistic). Jacob not giving up struggled on and no side was gonna win. Then Jacob demanded a blessing and receives it. (genesis)
Mithraism almost sounds like it wasn't even a religion but was more like the masonic lodge of its day, loving symbols and hidden knowledge. And being secret would inspire fear and suspicion among people outside of the group.
anubis2814 In those polytheistic days, many cults were also social clubs. You weren't expected to worship the same gods as everyone around you like in Christian societies.
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but the Rigveda (an ancient Indian collection of Vedic Sanskrit hymns) has complete 28 hymns dedicated to him. In the late vedic texts,he was associated with the light of dawn and morning sun.Later,he evolved into the patron divinity of friendship. Together with Varuna(a Vedic deity associated with waters),they form the 'dvandava' pair. Infact ,the 'Chhath' festival observed in the Nepal,and provinces of India like UP, Bihar and Jharkhand is celebrated till today in the memory of Mitra The 25th december was celebrated as the day of 'Sol Invictus' of the later roman empire in the name of Mithra,the same vedic Mitra,that today we celebrate as Christmas. So basically the world celebrates every year for an ancient Vedic Indian God in disguise :D .Mitra was also one of the deities of Mittani empire(was a Hurrian-speaking state in northern Syria and southeast Anatolia).
In truth there is not a lot of difference between freemasonry and a mystery religion. Many consider freemasonry just a modern manifestation of a mystery religion. Certainly many freemasonic writers take inspiration from whatever knowledge they can glean of ancient mystery religions and even falsely claim that freemasonry originates in one or more ancient religious belief systems.
One of the favorite attacks by those opposed to Christianity is to speak of the similarities it had with Mithraism. Again, these people fail to do their homework. . . - Mitra (Mitra-Itu) was a god spoken of in the Hindu Vedas, though nothing in the Vedas is remotely close to Judaism/Christianity. . . . - The Persian Zoroastrianism borrowed from the Hindu's their own version of that deity that they called Mithra. It is from this particular religion that the vast majority of the similarities can be cited (like a Virgin Birth). What these critics fail to recognize, is that the children of Israel were conquered and taken into captivity into Babylon; which in turn was conquered by the Persians. So their was *direct contact* between the cultures of the Hebrews and Persians. Take the story of the Virgin Birth for an example. The critics say that Christianity borrowed the idea from the Persians. In reality, the first Christians were ALL Jewish. Jesus, his apostles, and all of his disciples were all Jewish. A Hebrew prophet by the name of Isaiah wrote of a virgin giving birth to the Messiah approximately one hundred (100) years before Zoroaster was even born in Persia. Zoroaster is the *founder of the religion* from which Christianity is alleged to have borrowed key elements. . . 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. - Isaiah 7:14 . . Any honest and intelligent person could see that Christianity didn't borrow anything from Zoroastrianism or Hinduism. Their beliefs come directly from Judaism, and originally all Christians were Jews that believed in Jesus Christ. . . . - Mithraism was a secretive religion made up mostly of roman soldiers. Nothing in written form exists from those that practiced it. Some contributions about the religion exist from later times by people that were not practitioners. Virtually *everything known* about the religion is surmised from artwork, sculptures, and reliefs that have survived. That would be akin to looking at the art of Michelangelo and saying: "After studying his sculptures we can conclusively say he believed ...." . . . That *IS* the wisdom of those that use the Mithraism believed it first argument. These very same people will argue that words written by eyewitnesses are unreliable. That scriptures are a conglomeration of other men's thoughts and beliefs. That there's not a shred of evidence to prove that many of the things written in scripture happened. Or, that even Jesus actually lived. But claims that oppose Christianity, that are based upon what is surmised by looking at art (like what we know of Mithraism) . . . that they find reliable! . . . 21 Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God or given thanks: but became vain in their thoughts. And their foolish heart was darkened. 22 For, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. - Romans 1:21,22 .
It's always a delight to stumble across someone on TH-cam who is so sincerely passionate about dispelling misinformation. Not to mention that watching someone who cites their sources is refreshing in these times. Thank you for being you.
Thank you for putting this together. I'm tired of Bill Maher's complete butchery of this subject. It's not like he couldn't afford to hire someone to actually open a couple of books to find out the truth.
Bill Maher isnt exactly known for arguing in good faith. He will willingly use sketchy sources as long as they back up his point, then mock others who do the same
Wow, my history professor in college taught about Mithras coming into being on December 25. I have spent my entire adult life unlearning falsehoods I have learned in school. I just discovered another one here. Thank you.
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If interested. Origins of Mithra. Data is from the Hittite cuneiforms found during 1907 archeological excavations of Ancient Armenia. In the Armenian heathen of Pantheon, Mithra (Mihr) was considered a supreme deity. Mihr/Mithra was the personification of the illuminating rays of the sun. The grand temple of Mithra was located in the town of Bagaharich of ancient Armenia, which covered a great deal more territory during ancient times. The earliest mention of the worship of Mithra has been recorded in the Armenian Kingdom of Hurri-Mitani. The Hittite cuneiform inscriptions mentioned some of the notable Armenian gods and goddesses that made up the Armenian pantheon of gods in the Armenian kingdom of Mitanni, (meaning one home). The Hittite king Suppiluliuma (Reigned 1344 to 1322 BCE,) ordered the recording of a peace treaty between himself and The Armenian king Sattivaz (reigned 1350 - 1320 BCE ) who represented the Hittite and Armenian kingdoms respectively. Suppiluliuma swears upon the great deities of Armenia and specifically calls on Mithra to protect and defend the treaty of friendship and peace between the kingdoms of Hatti and Mitanni. This treaty was made in the 14 century BCE. And this is the earliest recorded inscription that mentions Mithra as one of the supreme gods of Armenia. This is 1000 years before the god Mithra is mentioned in the Iranian inscriptions and the Indian Vedas. From Language as a fingerprint. (V.Setyan).
Actually I agree with your history professor on this case. In Iran still 21st of December ( the longest night in northern hemisphere) is a big celebration for birth of Mithra since ancient times. In Persian call it Shab-e-Yalda or Night of Yalda and as the end of this longest night Mithra or Mehr (Sun) is born ( longest darkness defeated by first arrays of light) we as Persians/Iranians celebrating that night. As You see the date is so close to 25th December. One of the reason is because the Christianity calendar wasn’t accurate and also has big mistakes in naming the few last months too.
@@keyvanshiri4934 That's interesting. The creator of this video does raise some interesting points though. It is always difficult to guess what really happened after 1800 years have passed. My under-educated guess is that 3rd century Roman Christians assigned the birth of Jesus to the birth of Mithras (December 25), and then they created theological arguments to dampen the criticism. My personal belief is that Jesus was born in the spring. Several people have argued that spring time is most likely the time that Romans would have required everyone to return to their place of birth, so they could be counted and taxed. Another thing is that when ewes are giving birth to their lambs in the spring, the shepherds will stay up all night in the field watching over them. They make sure that there are no complications, and they also make sure that the ewes are producing milk. Jesus is symbolic of the sacrificial Lamb of God, born among the lambs. The shepherds were out and about and witness to it.
@@bekimbal9658 The travelling to ones ancestral home to be taxed never happened. The Romans kept meticulous records that make no mention of it. Besides, think about how silly that would have been. The author of Luke saw a problem; how could he rationalize Jesus of Nazareth being born in Bethlehem, to reconcile conflicting prophecies? The taxation thing was his clumsy solution. Two of the other three gospels imply that Jesus was born in Nazareth. Matthew implies that Joseph and Mary lived in a house in Bethlehem. I'm saying this from memory. Check a bible to see if I got the gospels mixed up.
The Catholic Encylopedia admits Mithras was born on December 25 and worshipped on Sunday www.newadvent.org/cathen/10402a.htm th-cam.com/video/qBfAHsUHtiY/w-d-xo.html THX to Ken Humphries th-cam.com/video/HdSJG_aixLI/w-d-xo.html Eliot Nesh Refutation vimeo.com/user5660524 Was Zeitgeist right? th-cam.com/video/8HJ-9KYCtUo/w-d-xo.html I shall be discussing these issues and others extensively on Ex Christian.Net and will post a link to it here when I am done www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Religions/iranian/Mithraism/mithra.htm
I gotta say that I really appreciate the positivity of the comments for this channel's videos. I feel like the overall objectivity of this channel really does a good job or warding off some of the extremely unpleasant interactions that can (Unfortunately and unjustly) arise during discussions of comparitive religion. It really is refreshing!
Agreed in 2022, December 31st, before waiting for a New years dinner! I love learning about all religions and culture, and I'm happy other people share the same mindset! Hope you have the most lovely following year!
It sounds more like a fraternal order. Only male imagery and initiates, strict initiation rituals and hierarchy, discussion and adoration of astrological belief and imagery.
@@egg_bun_ yes but not in that context. Breakfast club is literally just a meeting of people to have breakfast. Not astrology, which is a load of bs anyway
I came here because I'm a fan of Conan the Barbarian and Mithra is seen as a "good god" compared to the others and I always wondered what his inspiration was. Then while playing as Palmyra in Rome Total War 2, I saw "The Cult of Mithras" appear in some of my towns with some nice benefits, so I let them grow. But then it got my brain gears really turning. Now that I know how mysterious the Mithraic cult is, and how little we know, I now understand exactly why Howard put it into Conan
"...He also appears a whit a snake, a dog, a raven, and a scorpion as he stabs a bull..." 6:55. All of these animals are astrological representations of the zodiac. Each are either a major star sign or a decon of a major star constallation. Which is understandable with a group that worship the Sun.
"Each" is singular. "Each is either a major star sign or..." emphasizes what is true of every one, individually, get it? Mark Henry rings his own change on this error at about 13:18 when he says "None of these changes hold water." Sorry, Mark, "none" is even more singular than one -- even if "changes" ends in S. None of those changes holds water would be your claim.
Nupuqi Om-Re Khonectics Chamber 81 Mithra degree Re Zten Amittai Idren Ninu ItaI Ishai Elkhikhi Sidom The Ark of the covenant ! This is wis-om ! Oh it is Mithra the great mother Oxygen. Why was the mother Oxygen called Mithra , the goddess of Light , the oath , and covenant ? Here me now my idren , The principle layers of the Atmosphere of Qi (Earth) 9 cipher Mithra ( Mesosphere , Ionosphere , Thermosphere , Heliosphere )- RA . So It was from the O cult that birthed your sciences and your religions . The great mother Mithra birthed Meso where in the waters of Nu Noah's Ark Floated ! This is wis- om , The Reign (Throne , upper Regions ) of the Sun ( Ra )
Jesus astrological sign was pisces. He devided the two fish for his followers Abraham's ram He had to offer his son but offered the ram instead. The bull was the constellation sign at the time of Adam or Noah. The alphabet the Hebrews inherited first letter is alleph the bull. It's even shaped like a bulls head. Their time begins 5782 years ago about the time of Taurus as the constellation sign in heaven. They were sun worshippers in those days
I used to pass a Temple of Mithras everyday. It's in the middle of a housing estate in Benwell, Newcastle upon Tyne. But then what's left of Hadrian's Wall runs through the city.
I really appreciate this video a lot. I was one of the people who bought into the "Jesus was modeled after Mithras" notion for a long time, and it's nice to have my own misconceptions dispelled when I'm not even aware they were misconceptions.
@@a.s2205 regardless of what you think of him that dosn't disprove the fact that none of the victorian sources of these rumors have actual sources themselves.
@@juwebles4352 nor did the 70s people denying it. Look up Jason Reza Jorjani, he has way better sources and he's way more articulate than our Bible thumping friend
@@a.s2205 pretty sure he's an atheist, but go ahead and slap on a label if helps you feel success in your cause. Or perhaps he's an atheist bible thumper, because if someone disagrees with your ideological view, truthful or not, they must be in the "other camp," i.e. the Bible thumpers. He's taken sides! And must and will be dismissed. Or better yet, throw us 3 good ancient sources we can quickly look up and verify that contradict the video.
@@histguy101 look up Jason reza jorjani, he has a book called Iranian leviathan all about mithra, there are lectures on TH-cam that you can watch. He uses references in his book. 👋 your mate here is a bible thumper, not an athiest from what I heard from him. Maybe he's changed, idk much about him. I just know he knows nothing about mithraism and it's eastern roots.
About Mithra in Zoroastrianism: you have made a mistake. Mithra is not a god of light who wages war against darkness(personified by Angra-Mainyu, The Evil(Angry) Spirit), but the yazata of trust, credibility and contracts. The God, Eternal Source of Light, Truth and Good, is Ahura Mazda(can be translated as "The Master of Wisdom", or as "The God who named Wisdom"), or Spenta-Mainyu("Holy Spirit). Mithra is a guardian of all contract, as it is said in Mehr-yasht: "Don't break the contract with a person that is good and with the one that bad." In Zoroastrian religion(which I follow) there is a belief in hierarchy of yazatas(which influenced judeo-christian belief in angels a lot), who are the personifications of good personality traits, with God Himself on the top. Yazatas, and Ameshaspentas, the most important of yazatas, are emmanations of Ahura Mazda, like candles, clamped from one fire. And for every yazata there is a symbolical association in physical world, for example, Kshatra Vairya, the Ameshaspenta of masculinity and will to order things, is associated with metals. And Mithra is associated with the Sun. Sorry for my English if it is bad. You can find more information in various Zoroastrian texts which are presented on avesta.org
(can't read your name) The Persian warrior on the bull is Perseus and his compagnion is Saggitarius the Persian archer. His arrow is the key to unbind the living water from the rock.
Thank you for this very interesting video! As an atheist I heard many folks making too many assumptions at this level. Thank you for the clarification.
Bill Maher is a complete joke. You can't him remotely seriously, he's almost always completely wrong, not to mention not funny. Thank you for spilling the facts.
Bill has become a grumpy sheltered man stuck in his era. But will always deserve credit as an advocate for liberalism, an ally against religion and promoter of marijuana legalization
He never mentions that exploitive epic film he starred in "Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death". Look it up. Dude is just a comedian looking for a sarcastic punchline.
I would say the slaying of the bull has to do with the zodiacal signs like mitra representing the sun moving from Taurus to a new zodiac house. The same way jesus feeds the people with two fish then tell his followers to walk with the guy with the water pitcher into his house symbolizing the sun moving at the end of the age from pisces to aquarius zodiac signs.
It's a convenient explanation, except the age of Taurus ended around 2500 BC. That's right, the Age of Taurus was ended more than 2000 years before the Mithraic cult, and the age of Aries itself was already over by 300BC, centuries before the cult. So if anything, they'd be showing the transition from Aries to Pisces, which had already happened half a millennia before the cult rose to prominence.
I'm not religious in the slightest, but I do love these videos. I like approaching religion as a academic pursuit. There's some fascinating stuff to learn. And it definitely informs history. Thanks for the hard work!
I was attracted early, struggled and became more agnostic....but always amazed with folks, even those sent to worship by their families, who just don't get the religion bug. (born agains need not make the adolescent religion vs relationship with Jesus semantic psuedo distinction, we're grownups here)
I came to this video pretty skeptical, expecting the usual internet claptrap about Mithras. I’m really impressed by the level of research behind this video. The only observation that I have is that it might have been useful to start with a description of what a “mystery cult” means in the context of Classical antiquity. Basically, mystery cults were called such because their teachings were expected to be held secret. There are a number of these scattered in the Roman and Hellenistic world, such as the [mystery] cult of Isis (based on the Egyptian goddess), and the more ancient Eleusinian and Orphic mysteries, which were native to Greece. The teachings of these mystery cults were so secretive that scholars still don’t have a definite idea of what they entailed.
I was looking for info about the cult of Mithras for my novel, and your video is of great help, I finally understood how a proper Mithraeum must look like. Thank you!
Chamber 81 Mithra degree Re Zten Amittai Idren Ninu ItaI Ishai Elkhikhi Sidom The Ark of the covenant ! This is wis-om ! Oh it is Mithra the great mother Oxygen. Why was the mother Oxygen called Mithra , the goddess of Light , the oath , and covenant ? Here me now my idren , The principle layers of the Atmosphere of Qi (Earth) 9 cipher Mithra ( Mesosphere , Ionosphere , Thermosphere , Heliosphere )- RA . So It was from the O cult that birthed your sciences and your religions . The great mother Mithra birthed Meso where in the waters of Nu Noah's Ark Floated ! This is wis- om , The Reign (Throne , upper Regions ) of the Sun ( Ra ).
I subscribe to your logic... just as the Christian age or introduction to Christ was represented by Pisces ( the fish god) who brings us into the age of Aquarius... the proverbial fish out of water led towards the waters of life.
@@ryleesoares90 Do you have any evidence for Mithra being female? Where do you get that, religion, a philosopher, history? And you can't just apply your understanding of something to another's perspective or ancient perspective unless what your saying is correct( I don't want to say your wrong I don't really know if Mithra is male or female.) (Well I'm kind of wrong about that) but I'm trying to say you shouldn't apply female and male characteristics to a god who I think is from a different religion than yours if your religious and could be made up (Or is real, I hope my last sentence didn't offend you I don't want to offend you or offend your beliefs.) I don't know what you are when it comes to religion I don't want to know because that is personal information. The internet is the worst place to tell anything about yourself. Also (I don't want to argue with you about the characteristics of souls thing) But because a soul is both male and female doesn't that mean Mithra is also male? Also sorry this doesn't make sense, I don't know if I'm making sense of it I sound crazy, let me know if I sound crazy. If anything offends you let me know and I will try to put what ever it is into a sentence that isn't offensive. I hope I don't do anything to your beliefs I don't want to shatter them.
In Vedas, Mithra is the Sun God. Varuna is the God of Water. In our Morning Offering , Mithra is mentioned several times. My Gothra Rishi is MaithraaVaruna apart from, Vasishta and Koundinya.As Mithra is another name for Sun, He can be surrounded by the 12 Zodiac signs. Mithra also means Friend.
Romans were genius in blending Greek, roman, and pagan gods and their most popular aspects, to actually form spiritual bridges throughout their empire, achieving what even most modern religions can't do, by bringing wide swathes of people together, even those religious factions today that cause so much deviciveness, hurt and bloodshed.
ReligionForBreakfast great work. I have read that a scholar at Cambridge said that Jesus and Mithras are very very different. You are very correct in stating that too! We can’t let bias get in the way.
People are really only convinced by details being the same. Though the whole proto-indo-eruopean origin theory depends more on concepts and tropes than anything else. The specific details of the individual cult don't matter so much especially when considering that a cave is an ancient symbol of the womb then being born of a rock isn't all that weird, nor braking of the tradition of sun deities being born of a pure woman. You simply can't argue that most comic book superhero characters aren't influanced by Superman. Yes some brake the mold so drastically it's hard to find any specifics. But by virtue of being a powered superhero there are themes and tropes that where structured durring superman's time that later comic book artists are innovating on.
They all preached "love and respect your children, your elders and one another". That should be the focal point of these enquiries. How long have we been failing at getting along?
I was a student of Professor Walsh's I'll always remember his lectures about digs on the Roman Frontiers and trying to determine if odd buildings were Mithraea. Glad you found the old boy.
. The Hittite king Suppiluliuma (reigned between 1344 to 1322 BCE) ordered the recording of a peace treaty between himself and the Armenian king Šattivaz (reigned ca. 1350-1320 BCE), who represented the Hittite and Armenian kingdoms respectively. Suppiluliuma swears upon the great deities of Armenia and specifically calls upon Mithra to bless and protect the treaty of friendship and peace between the kingdoms of Hatti and Mitanni.As was noted, this treaty was made in the 14th century BCE, and this is the earliest recorded inscription that mentions Mithra as one of the supreme Gods of Armenia. This is roughly one thousand years before the God Mithra is mentioned in the Iranian inscriptions and the Indian Vedas.
I love Ancient Religions and Spiritual Traditions. Endlessly fascinating.
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let me quote Merrick (2012) All religions are descended from and ancient Vedic cosmology described in the Rib - Veda, originating in Armenia near Mt. Ararat at least 6800 ys ago and the basic concepts of a transcendental mountain extending into space and populated planet Star-gods were developed...he further says...This Astrotheology then migrated with Armenian Aryans to found the Sumerian Ethiopian/Egyptian and Indian civilizations and religions...from Language as a fingerprint Setyan
Nice! You even pull in Zoroastrianism!! Your scholarship continues to impress. It's thorough, deeeeeeply concerned with history and archeology as well as socio political concerns. You are combining a vast array of scholarship. It's something that I tried myself and got a LOT of "Stay in your lane" advice from all my mentors. I'm surprised you have not been chastised by your Ph.d mentor. Either way, keep it up. Also very cool that you are using youtube to "publish" instead of just doing academic papers. Well done :)
Not being a religious scholar, but my understanding of Zoroastrianism, it was Median, as opposed to Persian. It was also one of the first, if not THE first, monotheistic religions, whereas Persian (and everyone else) had pantheons full of gods. Ahura Mazda was the 'senior/creator' god, and Mitra was the 'junior/son' deity. Mitra slayed the bull, and it's blood is what fertilized the earth and allow life to spring forth.Therein the similarity in the roman Mithras... Zoroaster was it's primary 'priest' . Also, the Hebrew's were captured when Babylon sacked Jerusalem, and returned them to Babylon as slaves. There is when they were exposed to monotheistic Zoroaster, or at least his teachings, and also the Persian creation myth, which their(Genesis) creation myth is a copy, only a monotheistic one. but the timeline of it's writing times it at that time. Hence any similarities...
the hebrew mythology was founded prior to their arrival in that area of the world as far back as somewhat verifiable records go let alone the founding of hebrew jerusalem, delving into zoroastrianism is fine but trying to draw meaningful connections based on baseless assumptions derived secondhand at best from ancient events is going to be ultimately meaningless
Thank you! I have always doubted the supposed parallels between Mithras and Christ, they just seemed a little too neat, but I had no facts at hand to dispute the claims. Now my intuition is validated.
This is because the ancient Vedic god Mithra (with separate t and h) and the ancient Iranian god Mithra (with an English th) derive from an older Mithra, revered by the ancestors of both people. What we do not know is how this ancient Mithra is connected to the Roman Mithra cult.
@@stephanpopp6210wrong. Mithras is stolen by the Romans from the Persians. Its a fact. However the vedic Mitra and Persians Mithra are cognates. No other cognate is there in any indo european language. And Roman mithras is a later adaptation of indo iranic God mitra
@@emilyschmidt5630 you have students....???Are you a teacher in Vatican...??? That must be right. I must say that's the most eloquent statement I ever heard. Outstanding. Brilliant. Essential.
The name Mithra or Mitra comes from the Vedic texts; he is a diety parallel to Savitr (the diefied form motion) as they are both related to Surya (sun diety). Mitra became mithra from Vedic Sanskrit to Avesta respectively. The word itself comes from the root “mitr̥” which means friend; he is described with qualities according to his name and even had a chant “Aum Mitravē NamaH” (to Mitra I bow) in the Vedas. It’s interesting to see a Vedic and Zoroastrian diety in European grounds.
Even to this day, ‘Aum, Mithraya NamaH’ is the first of the twelve mantras chanted by yoga practitioners in India and it’s neighbouring countries. Traditionally Surya Namaskara starts with chanting of this mantra, with hands folded at chest in namaskara posture. After completing one cycle of surya namaskara asanas, one returns to namaskara posture, before chanting the next manthra, and so on.
It is Kurdish religion and called “Mehr”, we have names of Mihrî, Mehrdad, Mitra names come from and the sun of Kurdistan flag also comes from this Mithat sun.
6:50 The relief image evokes the arrangements of constellations we today call Orion, Taurus, and Eridanus (not a snake, but a river). These are some of the oldest and most recognizable sky images across cultures of the Persian and Roman regions. The association with a scorpion and a dog are also interesting for their parallels in the mythologies. I would like to learn more about any connections between the Mithras Cult and the region of the night sky that includes these figures. Only Taurus and the Scorpion are Zodiacal constellations. Is there is a connection between Mithras and Orion for example?
As a law student myself, i just want to say, that sometimes things just happen but is considered unbelieved or inadmissible because of lack of evidence. Evidence is such an important aspect like mathematics and physics are, evidence is what convinces man to find the truth about certain things. Wish we had a time machine to go back in time to see these things for ourselves man..
I'm convinced that in many cases law study only shows men how to convince themselves of what they want to believe. The amount of Christian lawyers I know of who have either competing views of Christianity or are convinced that the poor evidence leads them confidently to assert Jesus rose from the dead. It doesn't give me much faith in lawyers in general when I see that, since my own studies have only convinced me that there isn't much we can know with certainty.
The sad thing is even with all evidence and testimonies there are people who will continue to be willfuly ignorant to the truth. Creation requires a creator. There is no way random chance and mutations can create everything from nothing. It's called the "impossibility of the contrary." Logically it makes sense.
twoaddictive you have no idea what logic means. Impossibility of the contrary argument is logical fallacy. I can prove it right here, but there is no way to explain mentally ill person anything.
@@babhag5481 someone who tries to defend their position with insults is a sign of a truly weak mind. One not open to others position nor do they use logic themselves. Just infantile ranting because they have no clue to what they are trying to say. At least as a skeptic/atheist/agnostic admit you dont know how creation started. That would be at least a logical truth. Truth isnt subjective but absolute.
In Iran, we still celebrate the winter solstice as the birthday of Sun, calling it Yalda that comes from an Aramaic word for birth. One antient synonym for the common word "sun" is "Mehr" originating from the word "Mitra". We still use the word "Mehr" in different contexts and combine it with other prefixes and suffixes to make other words and proper nouns.
As a freemason (apprentice), I can really see a lot of similarities between Mithraism and a modern-day lodge. The temple, the level system, the fact that only men are allowed (this is not true for every rite in freemasonry, but it is in the Scottish Rite) and astrological signs.
Chamber 81 Mithra degree Re Zten Amittai Idren Ninu ItaI Ishai Elkhikhi Sidom The Ark of the covenant ! This is wis-om ! Oh it is Mithra the great mother Oxygen. Why was the mother Oxygen called Mithra , the goddess of Light , the oath , and covenant ? Here me now my idren , The principle layers of the Atmosphere of Qi (Earth) 9 cipher Mithra ( Mesosphere , Ionosphere , Thermosphere , Heliosphere )- RA . So It was from the O cult that birthed your sciences and your religions . The great mother Mithra birthed Meso where in the waters of Nu Noah's Ark Floated ! This is wis- om , The Reign (Throne , upper Regions ) of the Sun ( Ra ).
@@drjanitor3747 That can be true for some Mason's because in the Bible, it was Lucifer who wanted man to learn, and aquire knowledge. But in reality we don't know who the cast of characters were in the Bible. I am a Freemason of the blue lodge, and Scottish Rite, and I am secretly an Atheist. Most Mason's I know are Deist, and some are Catholics, and Jewish. So you really can't lump us all together with the same beliefs, even though people try. We are forbidden to talk politics, and religion in the Lodge, as not to offend our brothers beliefs. Hope that helps.
I found an Initiation Text in german language: „Du bist der Sohn Mithras, der Neugeborene, der von dem höchsten Gott gezeugt wurde.“ Its not about any god called Mithras, its about the god part in every human beeing. The bull represents the lower natur of every human, that needs to be sacriviced. Good luck my brothers.
@@zetenhap975 In german you can translate it both ways. I think its about Mithras, the son of the highest god. So Mithras is the son. Thats why the church says: I created the human, that is very similar to a god. Or this is why Heros in greek myths are halv human, halv god. Mithras is a symbol for the god part in every human beeing.
Masons created most religions anyway. Thats why they openn withthe bible. its an Cocult cookbook. They have a different version they use codes to find out deeper meanings. There was a real Buddha but the main story is mythology
What a great video to stumble upon as I study the history of London's Roman Temple of Mithras... Thank you for all the references and book recommendations!
The alternative mantra for the Sun deity in Hinduism is "Om Mitraya Namaha" and it is chanted at sunrise [sun salutation/surya namaskar]. Mitra is one of the 108 names of Surya [Sun deity]. It is spelt "Mitra" in Hinduism. The Persian/Zoroastrianism version is "Mithra". The Roman version is "Mithras". You might want to take a look at this video : Mystic Inn of the Seventh Ray - th-cam.com/video/q--nCelpcjM/w-d-xo.html
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All religions are descended from and ancient Vedic cosmology described in the Rib - Veda, originating in Armenia near Mt. Ararat at least 6800 ys ago and the basic concepts of a transcendental mountain extending into space and populated planet Star-gods were developed...he further says...This Astrotheology then migrated with Armenian Aryans to found the Sumerian Ethiopian/Egyptian and Indian civilizations and religions...from Language as a fingerprint Setyan
@ well you're wrong on one thing aryans were from India and arya came from Sanskrit. That Armenia god sculpture could be possible but more research should be done
For the Celts it was Lugio, from Lugion "serment, contract;" thus Lugus / Lugos in Gallic, Lugh in Gaelic and Lleu in Welsh. Thus the axiom from the plates of Chamalières, France: Bissiet Luge dessummiis Luge Dessumíis Luge dessumiis luxe "Be it to Lugus, the righteous, to Lugus, the rightful gold-dark one."
Great video! I had heard the name Mithras bandied about here and there, but was really intrigued when I visited the Mithraeum in San Clemente in Rome. Tried (in an admittedly cursory way) to find out more about this "mystery cult", but came up empty-handed. Now I know why! Thanks very much!
"The name Mithras (Latin, equivalent to Greek "Μίθρας",[1]) is a form of Mithra, the name of an Iranian god,[2] a point acknowledged by Mithras scholars since the days of Franz Cumont.[3] The Greek form of the name appears in Xenophon's biography of Cyrus, the Cyropaedia,[4] a work written in the fourth century BC. The word Mithra occurs as the name of a praiseworthy being in the Zoroastrian text, the Zend Avesta.[5][6] Similar deity names in related Indo-european languages include Mitra, "मित्रः" found in Rig Vedic hymns.[7][8][9] In Sanskrit, "mitra" means "friend" or "friendship".[10] In the inscribed peace treaty of c. 1400 BC between Hittites and the Hurrian kingdom of the Mitanni in the area southeast of Lake Vanin Armenian Highlands, the form mi-it-ra-appears as the name of a god invoked together with four other divinities as witnesses and keepers of the pact.[11] Robert Turcan describes this inscription as "the earliest evidence of Mithras in Asia Minor""
Nupuqi Om-Re Khonectics Chamber 81 Mithra degree Re Zten Amittai Idren Ninu ItaI Ishai Elkhikhi Sidom The Ark of the covenant ! This is wis-om ! Oh it is Mithra the great mother Oxygen. Why was the mother Oxygen called Mithra , the goddess of Light , the oath , and covenant ? Here me now my idren , The principle layers of the Atmosphere of Qi (Earth) 9 cipher Mithra ( Mesosphere , Ionosphere , Thermosphere , Heliosphere )- RA . So It was from the O cult that birthed your sciences and your religions . The great mother Mithra birthed Meso where in the waters of Nu Noah's Ark Floated ! This is wis- om , The Reign (Throne , upper Regions ) of the Sun ( Ra )
Thank you for the work you are doing. I especially appreciate your unbiased and well researched presentations. Each video I have watched feels like food for thought and has broadened my perspectives on the topics.
Thanks for the video, I recall seeing many claims made on various ancient religions, but in my linguistic studies, I saw no such texts. At the time I figured they were simply better read than me. Your video on the gnostics brought me here and you seem to have more authority on the topic than random 'comedians' and writers, Maher among them.
no, rome is a lie. those people are also known as the romim, the kittim - japhethites. same people as the aryans/alans. scythians basically, the northern "lost" tribes of israel. not lost, hidden. "those who say they are jews and are not". today it's israel, russians, the USA. just... look. dont take my word for it.
@@KLG2018 you do know being a "jew" is not ethnic, it is about following the laws, ordinances, and commandments of our creator. Its in the laws, anti-semetism is hating those who follow the laws of our creator. If someone is "born Jewish" and stops following the laws, commandments and ordinances. Does not matter if native nor convert, they are cut off from His People.
Great video and channel, I learned a lot. Humble suggestion: will you make analysis of religious tropes in Raised by Wolves (HBO)? It uses tropes from at least three religions you described on your channel (Sol, Mithraism, Christianity) and could bring more viewers to you (but I'am already sold ofc).
What have we learned from all these videos? "We just don't know". Probably the sincerest battle cry to anyone who's past 24 years old and is well educated. The things we don't know far outweight the things we do. But . . . there's always hope. The thing researchers cling to; that next excavation, that next tomb, that next inscription might just be the answer.
@Keith Davis Okay... I see where we are now. This conversation about an ancient religion has gone off to another mythic system's la-la-land. Thank you Sebastian for having tried to make some sense of my question about a 2000yo non-Judeo-Christian religion, our attempt at a conversation has come to an end, no point in continuing now.
Restored with millions provided by the Rothchild Institute and now used for private parties by the London Elite. Some say they have rituals there for Mithras.
the art in 1:19 and structure in 6:31 is at the Yale art gallery in Connecticut. I've been a few times and its what sparked the interest for me in the cult of Mithras.
Thank you ReligionForBreakfast for this evidence-dominant analysis of the relationship between the roman Mithras cult and Christianity. It's refreshing after searching through much dubious material fond of making statements without invoking sources and the nature of those sources. While I'm not saying YT videos need to have the same methodological rigor of academic history, info-videos whose research doesn't go deeper than someone else's heresay quickly become tiring. Particularly disappointing is Bill Maher's "Jesus exposé" which turned out to be more about a political agenda to discredit various forms of non-rational fanaticism - i.e. his particular flavour of "debunking", than a desire to "get to the bottom of things". While I also consider fighting all forms of toxic fanaticism in today's world a very worthy endeavour, I think he should be honest and declare it as such, and neither try to sell it as debunking myth with scientifically enlightened history, nor be willing to use sloppy research in order to do it. Subscribed! You fill a much needed niche between quickly consumable reporting and academic level material. Thand you and keep it coming.
Ernas 343 it can be argued that Manichaeism influenced Christianity with its dualistic theology, St Augustine of Hippo was originally a Manichaen before converting to Christianity so he must have brought some concepts from his old faith along with him
I'd really love to hear about how religious studies scholars determine which belief systems are termed cults and which are religions. Can you do something like this, please?
princesssshortie that would be an interesting topic: cult vs religion. my initial thought is cults are centered around a personality (god, human, or "man-god". that would make early christianity a cult. (forget the modern media use of the term - you were asking about "religious studies scholars". ) I wonder if another distinction might be size? a newer and small religion centered around a specific personality is a cult. once it grows larger and gains a more formal organizational sturcture, it then becomes a "religion". but I also would say that cults are a certain kind of religion, while not all religions are cults. some might argue that cults are not religions (having lesser status than religions), but I think that is prejorative. so, I will be interested to hear how RFB distinguishes between cult and religion and to what degree my observations here about it align with RFB.
The short answer is...ancient historians are a lot more likely to use the term cult. The Latin word "cultus" simply means to "honor/cherish/worship," so the phrase "Cult of Mithras" simply means "The Organized Worship of Mithras." In modern English, the term is way more pejorative. Thanks for bringing this up, I'll definitely do a video on this ASAP.
In Portuguese, a neo-Romance language, evangelical worship is called "culto". It has no pejorative meaning. Just a linguistic trivia to help to understand semantic shifts :]
In his famous text "On the Cave of the Nymphs" Porphyry, a neoplatonic philosopher of the 3. century, gives us a lot of insights into what we could call a Mithraic theology. Not only does he write about Mithras himself and his meaning, but also about the reason, why he is worshipped in a cave and about the grade of "Leontes" (the Lions) and some specific ritual elements ot this grade. For some strange reasons this very important evidence is almost completely ignored by the scientist dealing with the Mithras cult.
Hi, newcomer to the channel. Neat video! ”Mystery cult” seems like a contemporary misunderstanding based solely on the secrecy. As far as I understand it other mystery religions shared some kind of claims to transformation and rebirth on a personal and existential level. And we have no evidence that the Mithras worshippers had anything like that. Is it possible that they were more like a guys club with ranks and initiations; should we perhaps think more in terms of freemasons or hellsangels?
1)The Iranic Mithra which dates way back before Christianity was born of the Virgin Anahita who was a goddess of nobility, water, and so on, 2)was in fact born on Dec 25th the longest night of the year which still is celebrated in Iran and it is called "Yalda" 3) specific tradition back in the day was "Mehr Parasti" literal meaning =worshiping of kindness, in which the one would immerse oneself in water come out and say I'm yet again born, and he would become a "Mehr Salek" literal meaning kindness seeker 4) one of the highest honors in this religion was called "Pedar"=Father who gave out gifts on Yalda nights and wore a very long red Cape symbolizing the length of "Yalda" night. 5)in Mithraism, it is told that Mithra is still alive since its a creator and basically Immortal 6)According to the narratives, the statues and inscriptions left behind when Mitra is born are praised by the shepherds 7)When Mitra reached the end of his duties in the world. "Baghmaz" or the assembly held a feast and a holy "Soor" and spent the last "Soor" or dinner with his companions and then ascended to the sky to join "Ormuzd". They're much more details to the religion but one might enjoy doing their own research. sorry it's super long, peace out
I share a birthday with my grandmother and one great-great grandmother. My daughter shares a birthday with her grandmother. We aren’t the same person. It’s just a really cool coincidence.
I love how you speak. No ADHD here! Speaking FAST, no floppy talking, no sagging snagging tired word whiskers dragging attention away from HOT topic we're hanging on the edge of our seats to learn. Anyway - Joseph Atwill's fairly new Caesar's Messiah is a fascinating topic I've discovered. Hope you will or have covered it. I'm sharing your videos all over my fb sites, and I have LOTS of them. Thanks RFB!
Thank you for doing this research and sharing. I would like to add, however, that it's not believed by Christians that Jesus was born on December 25th, at least not the ones who read their Bibles. That was a date chosen by the Catholic church, with intent. It's commonly held that he was either born in fall (September) or spring (March). Why the Catholic Church chose that day is up to some speculation. It could have been for nefarious reasons, as some conclude there were some very very corrupt popes in those days, or it could have been to overtake another pagan day of worship, such as the one mentioned in this video, or perhaps another held at the same time, Saturnalia.
A Roman emperor decided not to have two maojr holidays so he combined the two. That's why the Armenian church and others, celebrate Jesus's baptism on Jan 6th.
It is speculated that Jesus was born sometime near December 25, a few days off, but the church decided to move the birthday to the 25 because there was a pagan celebration on that day
They adopted December 25 because, at it's core, Catholicism is pagan sun worship. The Reformation was necessary to chisel away at the false system of beliefs introduced into Christianity.
If military mainly practiced this religion, wouldn't it make sense for their Mithraea to become abandoned, after the military unit that practiced there was relocated?
At a lumber yard I asked them if I might take a few complimentary used bricks and broken tiles and the manager replied: 'Sir, I do not believe in Free Masonry!"
One of the most fascinating sites I've ever visited, and several times actually, is the monolithic church of Aubeterre-sur-Dronne, in southwestern France. There is a crypt underneath which is or was supposed to have been dedicated to the cult of Mithras, although that seems to be a matter of debate these days, and I don't find it in the Wikipedia list of French mithraea. Nevertheless, the whole site made a strong impression on me.
Thank you for your informative video! I’ve been to the Mitreo in Santa Maria Capra Vetere (near Caserta in Italy) & recognize some of your images being from there. Did you personally visit as well?? It’s my dad’s home town and I was amazed to find so much history buried underneath all that cobblestone!
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Great channel you should read Manly P Halls secret teachings of all ages 'readers edition' it will clarify the more mystical aspects overlooked in the mainstream
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I got lost in a Croatian forest once ,near Dubrovnik, and found a Mithras cave covered up by roots and foliage. One striking feature on the carved rock was the scorpion attacking the bulls testicles. What the hell is that all about ?!
Sally Bubbles interesting adventure you had. Perhaps the scorpion explains something of the "raging of the bull"..
The mother-promise from Hebrew bible: It might strike your heels, you might strike it the head. better translated as: It will spill your testicles, but you will spill it the head. (genesis)
Isaac was the manhood (firstborn) of Abram. God demanded Abraham to spill Isaac as a sacrifice. And Abram was willing to do so. Then God stopped Abraham and gives an animal to replace Isaac. (genisis)
Jacob (Not the firstborn of Isaac, He stole this right from Esau his brother) had a fight on a riverbank with God. And God smashed Jacobs manhood (always translated as hip, very eufemistic). Jacob not giving up struggled on and no side was gonna win. Then Jacob demanded a blessing and receives it. (genesis)
Dear Sally, could you give me some more info on the location so I could visit & document? Art historian here
Perhaps an esoteric dirty joke? Imagine how a bull sounds when his balls get stung...
Can you recommend any scholarly source that identifies and corrects the many mistranslations in the Bible?@@willempasterkamp862
Mithraism almost sounds like it wasn't even a religion but was more like the masonic lodge of its day, loving symbols and hidden knowledge. And being secret would inspire fear and suspicion among people outside of the group.
anubis2814 In those polytheistic days, many cults were also social clubs. You weren't expected to worship the same gods as everyone around you like in Christian societies.
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but the Rigveda (an ancient Indian collection of Vedic Sanskrit hymns) has complete 28 hymns dedicated to him. In the late vedic texts,he was associated with the light of dawn and morning sun.Later,he evolved into the patron divinity of friendship. Together with Varuna(a Vedic deity associated with waters),they form the 'dvandava' pair. Infact ,the 'Chhath' festival observed in the Nepal,and provinces of India like UP, Bihar and Jharkhand is celebrated till today in the memory of Mitra The 25th december was celebrated as the day of 'Sol Invictus' of the later roman empire in the name of Mithra,the same vedic Mitra,that today we celebrate as Christmas. So basically the world celebrates every year for an ancient Vedic Indian God in disguise :D .Mitra was also one of the deities of Mittani empire(was a Hurrian-speaking state in northern Syria and southeast Anatolia).
In truth there is not a lot of difference between freemasonry and a mystery religion. Many consider freemasonry just a modern manifestation of a mystery religion. Certainly many freemasonic writers take inspiration from whatever knowledge they can glean of ancient mystery religions and even falsely claim that freemasonry originates in one or more ancient religious belief systems.
One of the favorite attacks by those opposed to Christianity is to speak of the similarities it had with Mithraism. Again, these people fail to do their homework.
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- Mitra (Mitra-Itu) was a god spoken of in the Hindu Vedas, though nothing in the Vedas is remotely close to Judaism/Christianity.
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- The Persian Zoroastrianism borrowed from the Hindu's their own version of that deity that they called Mithra. It is from this particular religion that the vast majority of the similarities can be cited (like a Virgin Birth).
What these critics fail to recognize, is that the children of Israel were conquered and taken into captivity into Babylon; which in turn was conquered by the Persians. So their was *direct contact* between the cultures of the Hebrews and Persians. Take the story of the Virgin Birth for an example. The critics say that Christianity borrowed the idea from the Persians. In reality, the first Christians were ALL Jewish. Jesus, his apostles, and all of his disciples were all Jewish.
A Hebrew prophet by the name of Isaiah wrote of a virgin giving birth to the Messiah approximately one hundred (100) years before Zoroaster was even born in Persia. Zoroaster is the *founder of the religion* from which Christianity is alleged to have borrowed key elements.
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14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. - Isaiah 7:14
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Any honest and intelligent person could see that Christianity didn't borrow anything from Zoroastrianism or Hinduism. Their beliefs come directly from Judaism, and originally all Christians were Jews that believed in Jesus Christ.
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- Mithraism was a secretive religion made up mostly of roman soldiers. Nothing in written form exists from those that practiced it. Some contributions about the religion exist from later times by people that were not practitioners. Virtually *everything known* about the religion is surmised from artwork, sculptures, and reliefs that have survived.
That would be akin to looking at the art of Michelangelo and saying: "After studying his sculptures we can conclusively say he believed ...."
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That *IS* the wisdom of those that use the Mithraism believed it first argument. These very same people will argue that words written by eyewitnesses are unreliable. That scriptures are a conglomeration of other men's thoughts and beliefs. That there's not a shred of evidence to prove that many of the things written in scripture happened. Or, that even Jesus actually lived.
But claims that oppose Christianity, that are based upon what is surmised by looking at art (like what we know of Mithraism) . . . that they find reliable!
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21 Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God or given thanks: but became vain in their thoughts. And their foolish heart was darkened.
22 For, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. - Romans 1:21,22
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That's exactly what I was thinking the whole time....especially after saying there were levels that most people never saw
It's always a delight to stumble across someone on TH-cam who is so sincerely passionate about dispelling misinformation. Not to mention that watching someone who cites their sources is refreshing in these times. Thank you for being you.
for real amen
Thank you for putting this together. I'm tired of Bill Maher's complete butchery of this subject. It's not like he couldn't afford to hire someone to actually open a couple of books to find out the truth.
That movie was like 20 years ago... Now Bill just whines about people who are too snarky on Twitter.
Bill Maher isnt exactly known for arguing in good faith. He will willingly use sketchy sources as long as they back up his point, then mock others who do the same
What "truth"?
Bill Maher is a committed atheist type and will never give religion any benefit or courtesy.
"It's not like he couldn't afford to hire someone to actually open a couple of books to find out the truth."
He'd have to open his mind first.
Wow, my history professor in college taught about Mithras coming into being on December 25. I have spent my entire adult life unlearning falsehoods I have learned in school. I just discovered another one here. Thank you.
If interested. Origins of Mithra. Data is from the Hittite
cuneiforms found during 1907 archeological excavations of Ancient
Armenia. In the Armenian heathen of Pantheon, Mithra (Mihr) was considered a
supreme deity. Mihr/Mithra was the personification of the illuminating
rays of the sun. The grand temple of Mithra was located in the town of
Bagaharich of ancient Armenia, which covered a great deal more territory
during ancient times. The earliest mention of the worship of Mithra
has been recorded in the Armenian Kingdom of Hurri-Mitani. The Hittite cuneiform
inscriptions mentioned some of the notable Armenian gods and goddesses that
made up the Armenian pantheon of gods in the Armenian kingdom of Mitanni,
(meaning one home). The Hittite king Suppiluliuma (Reigned 1344 to 1322
BCE,) ordered the recording of a peace treaty between himself and The
Armenian king Sattivaz (reigned 1350 - 1320 BCE ) who represented
the Hittite and Armenian kingdoms respectively. Suppiluliuma swears upon the
great deities of Armenia and specifically calls on Mithra to protect and defend
the treaty of friendship and peace between the kingdoms of Hatti and Mitanni.
This treaty was made in the 14 century BCE. And this is the earliest
recorded inscription that mentions Mithra as one of the supreme gods of
Armenia. This is 1000 years before the god Mithra is mentioned in the Iranian
inscriptions and the Indian Vedas. From Language as a fingerprint. (V.Setyan).
Actually I agree with your history professor on this case. In Iran still 21st of December ( the longest night in northern hemisphere) is a big celebration for birth of Mithra since ancient times. In Persian call it Shab-e-Yalda or Night of Yalda and as the end of this longest night Mithra or Mehr (Sun) is born ( longest darkness defeated by first arrays of light) we as Persians/Iranians celebrating that night. As You see the date is so close to 25th December. One of the reason is because the Christianity calendar wasn’t accurate and also has big mistakes in naming the few last months too.
@@keyvanshiri4934 That's interesting. The creator of this video does raise some interesting points though. It is always difficult to guess what really happened after 1800 years have passed. My under-educated guess is that 3rd century Roman Christians assigned the birth of Jesus to the birth of Mithras (December 25), and then they created theological arguments to dampen the criticism.
My personal belief is that Jesus was born in the spring. Several people have argued that spring time is most likely the time that Romans would have required everyone to return to their place of birth, so they could be counted and taxed. Another thing is that when ewes are giving birth to their lambs in the spring, the shepherds will stay up all night in the field watching over them. They make sure that there are no complications, and they also make sure that the ewes are producing milk. Jesus is symbolic of the sacrificial Lamb of God, born among the lambs. The shepherds were out and about and witness to it.
@@bekimbal9658 The travelling to ones ancestral home to be taxed never happened. The Romans kept meticulous records that make no mention of it. Besides, think about how silly that would have been. The author of Luke saw a problem; how could he rationalize Jesus of Nazareth being born in Bethlehem, to reconcile conflicting prophecies? The taxation thing was his clumsy solution. Two of the other three gospels imply that Jesus was born in Nazareth. Matthew implies that Joseph and Mary lived in a house in Bethlehem. I'm saying this from memory. Check a bible to see if I got the gospels mixed up.
The Catholic Encylopedia admits Mithras was born on December 25 and worshipped on Sunday
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I gotta say that I really appreciate the positivity of the comments for this channel's videos. I feel like the overall objectivity of this channel really does a good job or warding off some of the extremely unpleasant interactions that can (Unfortunately and unjustly) arise during discussions of comparitive religion. It really is refreshing!
Agreed in 2022, December 31st, before waiting for a New years dinner! I love learning about all religions and culture, and I'm happy other people share the same mindset! Hope you have the most lovely following year!
Just read the replies if you're looking to ruin that notion.
Good mods also help with that tbf.
It sounds like a breakfast club, not the movie but literally a place where people gather to eat and talk about astrology. Its a meetup.
Is that an actual term?
It sounds more like a fraternal order. Only male imagery and initiates, strict initiation rituals and hierarchy, discussion and adoration of astrological belief and imagery.
Clubs for sharing meals with or without social and religious aspects where definitely heard of during the Roman empire, called collegium.
@@egg_bun_ yes but not in that context. Breakfast club is literally just a meeting of people to have breakfast. Not astrology, which is a load of bs anyway
…and without the Saturday detention! 😂
I came here because I'm a fan of Conan the Barbarian and Mithra is seen as a "good god" compared to the others and I always wondered what his inspiration was.
Then while playing as Palmyra in Rome Total War 2, I saw "The Cult of Mithras" appear in some of my towns with some nice benefits, so I let them grow. But then it got my brain gears really turning.
Now that I know how mysterious the Mithraic cult is, and how little we know, I now understand exactly why Howard put it into Conan
Now I wanna play Rome 2
"...He also appears a whit a snake, a dog, a raven, and a scorpion as he stabs a bull..." 6:55. All of these animals are astrological representations of the zodiac. Each are either a major star sign or a decon of a major star constallation. Which is understandable with a group that worship the Sun.
"Each" is singular. "Each is either a major star sign or..." emphasizes what is true of every one, individually, get it?
Mark Henry rings his own change on this error at about 13:18 when he says "None of these changes hold water." Sorry, Mark, "none" is even more singular than one -- even if "changes" ends in S. None of those changes holds water would be your claim.
Nupuqi Om-Re Khonectics
Chamber 81 Mithra degree
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The Ark of the covenant !
This is wis-om ! Oh it is Mithra the great mother Oxygen. Why was the mother Oxygen called Mithra , the goddess of Light , the oath , and covenant ? Here me now my idren , The principle layers of the Atmosphere of Qi (Earth) 9 cipher Mithra ( Mesosphere , Ionosphere , Thermosphere , Heliosphere )- RA . So It was from the O cult that birthed your sciences and your religions . The great mother Mithra birthed Meso where in the waters of Nu Noah's Ark Floated ! This is wis- om , The Reign (Throne , upper Regions ) of the Sun ( Ra )
i recognize the others, but what constellation is a raven?
@@dragonboyjgh Corvus the crow or raven
Jesus astrological sign was pisces.
He devided the two fish for his followers
Abraham's ram
He had to offer his son but offered the ram instead.
The bull was the constellation sign at the time of Adam or Noah.
The alphabet the Hebrews inherited first letter is alleph the bull.
It's even shaped like a bulls head.
Their time begins 5782 years ago about the time of Taurus as the constellation sign in heaven.
They were sun worshippers in those days
I used to pass a Temple of Mithras everyday. It's in the middle of a housing estate in Benwell, Newcastle upon Tyne. But then what's left of Hadrian's Wall runs through the city.
ive been studying so intensely the last few days that I can tell which books and articles this information comes from. what is my life becoming
The Urantia Book has several pages of information, namely 1,081 through 1,084.
Check out new Urantia Book my friend. It will tell you all you need to know at this planetary stage of our spiritual development
I really appreciate this video a lot. I was one of the people who bought into the "Jesus was modeled after Mithras" notion for a long time, and it's nice to have my own misconceptions dispelled when I'm not even aware they were misconceptions.
Samantha, this guy is a bible thumper. Look up Dr Jason Reza jorjani explaining mythraism.
@@a.s2205 regardless of what you think of him that dosn't disprove the fact that none of the victorian sources of these rumors have actual sources themselves.
@@juwebles4352 nor did the 70s people denying it. Look up Jason Reza Jorjani, he has way better sources and he's way more articulate than our Bible thumping friend
@@a.s2205 pretty sure he's an atheist, but go ahead and slap on a label if helps you feel success in your cause. Or perhaps he's an atheist bible thumper, because if someone disagrees with your ideological view, truthful or not, they must be in the "other camp," i.e. the Bible thumpers. He's taken sides! And must and will be dismissed.
Or better yet, throw us 3 good ancient sources we can quickly look up and verify that contradict the video.
@@histguy101 look up Jason reza jorjani, he has a book called Iranian leviathan all about mithra, there are lectures on TH-cam that you can watch. He uses references in his book. 👋 your mate here is a bible thumper, not an athiest from what I heard from him. Maybe he's changed, idk much about him. I just know he knows nothing about mithraism and it's eastern roots.
About Mithra in Zoroastrianism: you have made a mistake. Mithra is not a god of light who wages war against darkness(personified by Angra-Mainyu, The Evil(Angry) Spirit), but the yazata of trust, credibility and contracts. The God, Eternal Source of Light, Truth and Good, is Ahura Mazda(can be translated as "The Master of Wisdom", or as "The God who named Wisdom"), or Spenta-Mainyu("Holy Spirit). Mithra is a guardian of all contract, as it is said in Mehr-yasht: "Don't break the contract with a person that is good and with the one that bad." In Zoroastrian religion(which I follow) there is a belief in hierarchy of yazatas(which influenced judeo-christian belief in angels a lot), who are the personifications of good personality traits, with God Himself on the top. Yazatas, and Ameshaspentas, the most important of yazatas, are emmanations of Ahura Mazda, like candles, clamped from one fire. And for every yazata there is a symbolical association in physical world, for example, Kshatra Vairya, the Ameshaspenta of masculinity and will to order things, is associated with metals. And Mithra is associated with the Sun.
Sorry for my English if it is bad. You can find more information in various Zoroastrian texts which are presented on avesta.org
(can't read your name) The Persian warrior on the bull is Perseus and his compagnion is Saggitarius the Persian archer. His arrow is the key to unbind the living water from the rock.
Is that the glagolitic alfabeth, some letters are the same or look very similar,where are you from?Croatia,Bulgaria,Macedonia or are you Persian?
You are correct. He is mistaken.
Ⰴⱆⰿⱀⱏⰹ Ⱄⱐⰾⱉⰲⰹⰰⱀⰹⱀ Thanks I am always interested in Zoroastrian.
Mitra wasnt zoroaterian. It is false to relate zoroasterian texts to him.
Thank you for this very interesting video! As an atheist I heard many folks making too many assumptions at this level. Thank you for the clarification.
As a Christian, the creator of this video is biased. Better watch unbiased material th-cam.com/video/0E_bRADucBI/w-d-xo.html
Bill Maher is a complete joke. You can't him remotely seriously, he's almost always completely wrong, not to mention not funny. Thank you for spilling the facts.
Maher BLOWS, intentionally.
The most despicable of sellouts.
yeah he sucks not even funny just a joke. my grandma is the only one i know who likes him LOL!
Lilly Dee u forgot the word “take”
Bill has become a grumpy sheltered man stuck in his era. But will always deserve credit as an advocate for liberalism, an ally against religion and promoter of marijuana legalization
He never mentions that exploitive epic film he starred in "Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death". Look it up. Dude is just a comedian looking for a sarcastic punchline.
Almost all rocks are virgins, technically.
Almost.
Not so much back then, lol.
Normie
I would say the slaying of the bull has to do with the zodiacal signs like mitra representing the sun moving from Taurus to a new zodiac house. The same way jesus feeds the people with two fish then tell his followers to walk with the guy with the water pitcher into his house symbolizing the sun moving at the end of the age from pisces to aquarius zodiac signs.
Yeah, I Also Came Here For Astrological Study Cause Mithra Is Associated With Hasta Nakashtra Which Is In The Virgo Zodiac Sign!
Good point! ;)
Remember what the wine was made from? You got it. Water! The fish out of water represent the move into the Age of Aquariums.
It's a convenient explanation, except the age of Taurus ended around 2500 BC. That's right, the Age of Taurus was ended more than 2000 years before the Mithraic cult, and the age of Aries itself was already over by 300BC, centuries before the cult.
So if anything, they'd be showing the transition from Aries to Pisces, which had already happened half a millennia before the cult rose to prominence.
@@JiveDadson Age of Aquariums!? Loved that! Thanks for the giggle.
I'm not religious in the slightest, but I do love these videos. I like approaching religion as a academic pursuit. There's some fascinating stuff to learn. And it definitely informs history. Thanks for the hard work!
Ironically enough, one of my next videos is titled: "You don't need to be religious to study religion." Fascinating stuff to learn indeed.
I was attracted early, struggled and became more agnostic....but always amazed with folks, even those sent to worship by their families, who just don't get the religion bug. (born agains need not make the adolescent religion vs relationship with Jesus semantic psuedo distinction, we're grownups here)
This is Theology not religion
Whats the difference??
Houston Davis potato potato
I came to this video pretty skeptical, expecting the usual internet claptrap about Mithras. I’m really impressed by the level of research behind this video. The only observation that I have is that it might have been useful to start with a description of what a “mystery cult” means in the context of Classical antiquity.
Basically, mystery cults were called such because their teachings were expected to be held secret. There are a number of these scattered in the Roman and Hellenistic world, such as the [mystery] cult of Isis (based on the Egyptian goddess), and the more ancient Eleusinian and Orphic mysteries, which were native to Greece. The teachings of these mystery cults were so secretive that scholars still don’t have a definite idea of what they entailed.
what a shame ;)
I was looking for info about the cult of Mithras for my novel, and your video is of great help, I finally understood how a proper Mithraeum must look like. Thank you!
I've heard that the slaying of the bull was a symbol of the passing from the Age of Taurus to the Age of Aries.
Chamber 81 Mithra degree
Re Zten Amittai Idren Ninu ItaI Ishai Elkhikhi Sidom
The Ark of the covenant !
This is wis-om ! Oh it is Mithra the great mother Oxygen. Why was the mother Oxygen called Mithra , the goddess of Light , the oath , and covenant ? Here me now my idren , The principle layers of the Atmosphere of Qi (Earth) 9 cipher Mithra ( Mesosphere , Ionosphere , Thermosphere , Heliosphere )- RA . So It was from the O cult that birthed your sciences and your religions . The great mother Mithra birthed Meso where in the waters of Nu Noah's Ark Floated ! This is wis- om , The Reign (Throne , upper Regions ) of the Sun ( Ra ).
That is just speculation, though.
I was wondering if this trickled down into Spanish and Mexican culture to become the bull fighting arena
I subscribe to your logic... just as the Christian age or introduction to Christ was represented by Pisces ( the fish god) who brings us into the age of Aquarius... the proverbial fish out of water led towards the waters of life.
@@haigansmith4081 and Gabriel Gonzalez Wow, I think you just found out something important here! ☆
Secret Mithraic Initiation Ritual:
"Welcome to our club! Welcome to our club! Welcome Squidward! Welcome Squidward! Welcome Squidward! Welcome Squidward!"
It does sound like a sort of "male honor group" based solely in the use of ranks and apparent lack of scriptures
@@chronosx7 Mitra is a women. All souls have male and female characteristics. Only the male characteristic of Mitra is acknowledged in history
Where is your evidence for that ?
@@ryleesoares90 Do you have any evidence for Mithra being female? Where do you get that, religion, a philosopher, history? And you can't just apply your understanding of something to another's perspective or ancient perspective unless what your saying is correct( I don't want to say your wrong I don't really know if Mithra is male or female.) (Well I'm kind of wrong about that) but I'm trying to say you shouldn't apply female and male characteristics to a god who I think is from a different religion than yours if your religious and could be made up (Or is real, I hope my last sentence didn't offend you I don't want to offend you or offend your beliefs.)
I don't know what you are when it comes to religion I don't want to know because that is personal information. The internet is the worst place to tell anything about yourself.
Also (I don't want to argue with you about the characteristics of souls thing) But because a soul is both male and female doesn't that mean Mithra is also male? Also sorry this doesn't make sense, I don't know if I'm making sense of it I sound crazy, let me know if I sound crazy.
If anything offends you let me know and I will try to put what ever it is into a sentence that isn't offensive. I hope I don't do anything to your beliefs I don't want to shatter them.
@@peng2816 In modern Iran Mitra is used as a female name.
In Vedas, Mithra is the Sun God. Varuna is the God of Water. In our Morning Offering , Mithra is mentioned several times. My Gothra Rishi is MaithraaVaruna apart from, Vasishta and Koundinya.As Mithra is another name for Sun, He can be surrounded by the 12 Zodiac signs. Mithra also means Friend.
What is the significance of Gotra?
that is just common indoeuropean word origins, indo-iranian specifically
Wasn't Mithra represented friendship and oaths too? the word Mithra also meant "friend/close friend"
@@Mythical.History mitr still means friend in Hindi
Romans were genius in blending Greek, roman, and pagan gods and their most popular aspects, to actually form spiritual bridges throughout their empire, achieving what even most modern religions can't do, by bringing wide swathes of people together, even those religious factions today that cause so much deviciveness, hurt and bloodshed.
True
I've always found the Zeitgeist parallels far too tidy to be taken seriously. Thanks for setting the record straight, and for the overall great work!
Tidy is a good word to describe it. The argument hangs on too many assumptions.
ReligionForBreakfast great work. I have read that a scholar at Cambridge said that Jesus and Mithras are very very different. You are very correct in stating that too! We can’t let bias get in the way.
Did you look at D.M. Murdock/ Acharya S's work that was the source of the section on religion in the film?
probably didn;t
People are really only convinced by details being the same. Though the whole proto-indo-eruopean origin theory depends more on concepts and tropes than anything else. The specific details of the individual cult don't matter so much especially when considering that a cave is an ancient symbol of the womb then being born of a rock isn't all that weird, nor braking of the tradition of sun deities being born of a pure woman.
You simply can't argue that most comic book superhero characters aren't influanced by Superman. Yes some brake the mold so drastically it's hard to find any specifics. But by virtue of being a powered superhero there are themes and tropes that where structured durring superman's time that later comic book artists are innovating on.
Thank you. I find myself at times in a regular state of face-to-palm when listening or conversing about religious history.
They all preached "love and respect your children, your elders and one another". That should be the focal point of these enquiries. How long have we been failing at getting along?
Atlaspower78 you’re assuming the point is to get along.
I'm getting along just fine
Because anyone who becomes an actual figure for peace, love and respecting one another gets clapped 100%
Atlaspower78 cane and Abel.
I was a student of Professor Walsh's I'll always remember his lectures about digs on the Roman Frontiers and trying to determine if odd buildings were Mithraea. Glad you found the old boy.
. The Hittite king Suppiluliuma (reigned between 1344 to 1322 BCE) ordered the recording of a peace treaty between himself and the Armenian king Šattivaz (reigned ca. 1350-1320 BCE), who represented the Hittite and Armenian kingdoms respectively. Suppiluliuma swears upon the great deities of Armenia and specifically calls upon Mithra to bless and protect the treaty of friendship and peace between the kingdoms of Hatti and Mitanni.As was noted, this treaty was made in the 14th century BCE, and this is the earliest recorded inscription that mentions Mithra as one of the supreme Gods of Armenia. This is roughly one thousand years before the God Mithra is mentioned in the Iranian inscriptions and the Indian Vedas.
@@hikeoganessian9729 And you source is...
I love Ancient Religions and Spiritual Traditions.
Endlessly fascinating.
let me quote Merrick (2012) All religions are descended from and ancient Vedic cosmology
described in the Rib - Veda, originating in Armenia near Mt. Ararat at
least 6800 ys ago and the basic concepts of a transcendental mountain extending
into space and populated planet Star-gods were developed...he further
says...This Astrotheology then migrated with Armenian Aryans to found the
Sumerian Ethiopian/Egyptian and Indian civilizations and religions...from
Language as a fingerprint Setyan
You should read the Urantia book, it has in-depth, detailed eyewitness information, including the origins of religion and worship.
@@davidoverstreet2875 urantia is pseudohistoric gobshite
It can't be overstated how admirable the amount of research you do is. These videos are so valuable to me and, I'm sure, many others. Thank you!!
Nice! You even pull in Zoroastrianism!! Your scholarship continues to impress. It's thorough, deeeeeeply concerned with history and archeology as well as socio political concerns. You are combining a vast array of scholarship. It's something that I tried myself and got a LOT of "Stay in your lane" advice from all my mentors. I'm surprised you have not been chastised by your Ph.d mentor. Either way, keep it up. Also very cool that you are using youtube to "publish" instead of just doing academic papers. Well done :)
My department and advisor in particular are very interdisciplinary. I'm part historian, part archaeologist, part sociologist.
I wish you had some insight in psychoanalysis, pharmacology and mysticism, that'd just make you a complete philosopher... ReligionForBreakfast
TechWith Todd Christianity didn't thrive until 3rd century. Check out not the impossible faith by Richard carrier
Not being a religious scholar, but my understanding of Zoroastrianism, it was Median, as opposed to Persian. It was also one of the first, if not THE first, monotheistic religions, whereas Persian (and everyone else) had pantheons full of gods. Ahura Mazda was the 'senior/creator' god, and Mitra was the 'junior/son' deity. Mitra slayed the bull, and it's blood is what fertilized the earth and allow life to spring forth.Therein the similarity in the roman Mithras... Zoroaster was it's primary 'priest' . Also, the Hebrew's were captured when Babylon sacked Jerusalem, and returned them to Babylon as slaves. There is when they were exposed to monotheistic Zoroaster, or at least his teachings,
and also the Persian creation myth, which their(Genesis) creation myth is a copy, only a monotheistic one. but the timeline of it's writing times it at that time. Hence any similarities...
the hebrew mythology was founded prior to their arrival in that area of the world as far back as somewhat verifiable records go let alone the founding of hebrew jerusalem, delving into zoroastrianism is fine but trying to draw meaningful connections based on baseless assumptions derived secondhand at best from ancient events is going to be ultimately meaningless
Thank you! I have always doubted the supposed parallels between Mithras and Christ, they just seemed a little too neat, but I had no facts at hand to dispute the claims. Now my intuition is validated.
i adore everything in this channel. Careful and well prepared approaches . Andrew thank you for posting also your sources. This channel deserves more
It never says Yeshua was born on December 25 in the bible
+Robert Cantarero Right. That is a later tradition. I have another video on that topic.
ReligionForBreakfast your awesome bro! Keep it up
yeah but christianity adopted that later.
S.N. Lee September 11 is the date according astronomers
who says the bible is the only source? there was no canon for the first 400 years, open your eyes
"All over the Mediterranean..." ...shows a map of Germany...
The Mithras-RELIGION was popular in Germany this time.... (all over Germany....)
In India , we chant the name Mithra while worshiping the Sun and while performing Surya namaskar yoga!
This is because the ancient Vedic god Mithra (with separate t and h) and the ancient Iranian god Mithra (with an English th) derive from an older Mithra, revered by the ancestors of both people. What we do not know is how this ancient Mithra is connected to the Roman Mithra cult.
@@stephanpopp6210wrong. Mithras is stolen by the Romans from the Persians. Its a fact. However the vedic Mitra and Persians Mithra are cognates. No other cognate is there in any indo european language. And Roman mithras is a later adaptation of indo iranic God mitra
Its mitra in hinduism . The Romans stole it from the Persians Mithra.
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Shared with my students! Thanks whoever did the captioning!
Emily Schmidt dont you dare to spread delusional view on kids. Mithra predates Christ. Christianity is a copy.
@@babhag5481 You're wrong.
@@emilyschmidt5630 ....carry on....how so....???
@@emilyschmidt5630 you have students....???Are you a teacher in Vatican...??? That must be right.
I must say that's the most eloquent statement I ever heard. Outstanding. Brilliant. Essential.
@@babhag5481 You want my knowledge? Pay me. Teaching is my job.
The name Mithra or Mitra comes from the Vedic texts; he is a diety parallel to Savitr (the diefied form motion) as they are both related to Surya (sun diety). Mitra became mithra from Vedic Sanskrit to Avesta respectively. The word itself comes from the root “mitr̥” which means friend; he is described with qualities according to his name and even had a chant “Aum Mitravē NamaH” (to Mitra I bow) in the Vedas. It’s interesting to see a Vedic and Zoroastrian diety in European grounds.
Yes very much so. Thanks for sharing
In indonesian/malay language, "mitra" means "partner"
Even to this day, ‘Aum, Mithraya NamaH’ is the first of the twelve mantras chanted by yoga practitioners in India and it’s neighbouring countries. Traditionally Surya Namaskara starts with chanting of this mantra, with hands folded at chest in namaskara posture. After completing one cycle of surya namaskara asanas, one returns to namaskara posture, before chanting the next manthra, and so on.
@@wiry7428 in sanskrit [मित्र] mira also mean same malay got this word from Sanskrit
It is Kurdish religion and called “Mehr”, we have names of Mihrî, Mehrdad, Mitra names come from and the sun of Kurdistan flag also comes from this Mithat sun.
Raised by Wolves brought me here.
Praise Sol
Praise Sol. GUARD MY SOUL!
Ay naku ha!
Knock knock
Sol is the light
6:50 The relief image evokes the arrangements of constellations we today call Orion, Taurus, and Eridanus (not a snake, but a river). These are some of the oldest and most recognizable sky images across cultures of the Persian and Roman regions. The association with a scorpion and a dog are also interesting for their parallels in the mythologies.
I would like to learn more about any connections between the Mithras Cult and the region of the night sky that includes these figures. Only Taurus and the Scorpion are Zodiacal constellations. Is there is a connection between Mithras and Orion for example?
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See this.
th-cam.com/video/ezr71f2z7po/w-d-xo.html
Yes, Mithras is Orion.
As a law student myself, i just want to say, that sometimes things just happen but is considered unbelieved or inadmissible because of lack of evidence. Evidence is such an important aspect like mathematics and physics are, evidence is what convinces man to find the truth about certain things.
Wish we had a time machine to go back in time to see these things for ourselves man..
I'm convinced that in many cases law study only shows men how to convince themselves of what they want to believe. The amount of Christian lawyers I know of who have either competing views of Christianity or are convinced that the poor evidence leads them confidently to assert Jesus rose from the dead.
It doesn't give me much faith in lawyers in general when I see that, since my own studies have only convinced me that there isn't much we can know with certainty.
@@daithiocinnsealach1982 I'm convinced that you have wilfully misunderstood the OP's comment.
The sad thing is even with all evidence and testimonies there are people who will continue to be willfuly ignorant to the truth. Creation requires a creator. There is no way random chance and mutations can create everything from nothing. It's called the "impossibility of the contrary." Logically it makes sense.
twoaddictive you have no idea what logic means.
Impossibility of the contrary argument is logical fallacy.
I can prove it right here, but there is no way to explain mentally ill person anything.
@@babhag5481 someone who tries to defend their position with insults is a sign of a truly weak mind. One not open to others position nor do they use logic themselves. Just infantile ranting because they have no clue to what they are trying to say. At least as a skeptic/atheist/agnostic admit you dont know how creation started. That would be at least a logical truth. Truth isnt subjective but absolute.
Astrotheology is alive and well in the macrocosm as well as the microcosm throughout time
Galaxy brain opinion:
The cult of Mithras never died out and survives to this day in the form of the masons.
Nupuqi Om Re Khonectics chamber degrees will guide you
It's one of the foundations. Certainly is not the same though.
In Iran, we still celebrate the winter solstice as the birthday of Sun, calling it Yalda that comes from an Aramaic word for birth. One antient synonym for the common word "sun" is "Mehr" originating from the word "Mitra". We still use the word "Mehr" in different contexts and combine it with other prefixes and suffixes to make other words and proper nouns.
We worship Mitra in India
As a freemason (apprentice), I can really see a lot of similarities between Mithraism and a modern-day lodge. The temple, the level system, the fact that only men are allowed (this is not true for every rite in freemasonry, but it is in the Scottish Rite) and astrological signs.
Chamber 81 Mithra degree
Re Zten Amittai Idren Ninu ItaI Ishai Elkhikhi Sidom
The Ark of the covenant !
This is wis-om ! Oh it is Mithra the great mother Oxygen. Why was the mother Oxygen called Mithra , the goddess of Light , the oath , and covenant ? Here me now my idren , The principle layers of the Atmosphere of Qi (Earth) 9 cipher Mithra ( Mesosphere , Ionosphere , Thermosphere , Heliosphere )- RA . So It was from the O cult that birthed your sciences and your religions . The great mother Mithra birthed Meso where in the waters of Nu Noah's Ark Floated ! This is wis- om , The Reign (Throne , upper Regions ) of the Sun ( Ra ).
Isaac Bolaños you realise free masonry is based on the worship of Lucifer? TH-cam: Bill Cooper -Mystery Babylon
@@drjanitor3747 Not even once has the name Lucifer been uttered. I don't know where this is coming from
Isaac Bolaños It comes from the writings and teaching of the Masonic leaders themselves. TH-cam: Bill Cooper - Mystery Babylon.
@@drjanitor3747 That can be true for some Mason's because in the Bible, it was Lucifer who wanted man to learn, and aquire knowledge. But in reality we don't know who the cast of characters were in the Bible. I am a Freemason of the blue lodge, and Scottish Rite, and I am secretly an Atheist. Most Mason's I know are Deist, and some are Catholics, and Jewish. So you really can't lump us all together with the same beliefs, even though people try. We are forbidden to talk politics, and religion in the Lodge, as not to offend our brothers beliefs. Hope that helps.
I found an Initiation Text in german language: „Du bist der Sohn Mithras, der Neugeborene, der von dem höchsten Gott gezeugt wurde.“
Its not about any god called Mithras, its about the god part in every human beeing. The bull represents the lower natur of every human, that needs to be sacriviced.
Good luck my brothers.
It's about a god called mithras that has a son. I am native german speaker.
@@zetenhap975 In german you can translate it both ways. I think its about Mithras, the son of the highest god. So Mithras is the son. Thats why the church says: I created the human, that is very similar to a god. Or this is why Heros in greek myths are halv human, halv god. Mithras is a symbol for the god part in every human beeing.
@@Mitras333 Ich kann deutsch.
@@Mitras333 Fast genau wie beim christlichen Jesus, da sieht man wie stark der Mithraismus das Christentum beeinflusst hat.
Light Above School Wow, very interesting! Thanks!
this sounds like an ancient version of a masonic lodge...
No. How many windows? And why does it matter?
Mirror mirror on the wall
Masons created most religions anyway. Thats why they openn withthe bible. its an Cocult cookbook. They have a different version they use codes to find out deeper meanings. There was a real Buddha but the main story is mythology
@@AdonaiZedek oh please Buddha was a historic figure. Lots of people, kings were contemporary of his era ie around 500 BC.
@@uselesshero.official siddhartha gautama yes but the story is a template. Find original sources from his time period.
What a great video to stumble upon as I study the history of London's Roman Temple of Mithras... Thank you for all the references and book recommendations!
How is the study going? Any good books to recommend on London's mithraeum?
"I've never thought of rocks as virginal"
Those stones have some real rockin' parties, eh? Once they get rolling they know how to set up real bangers.
Mithra was the sun god according to Hinduism I would find that by SEEMA ANAND
The alternative mantra for the Sun deity in Hinduism is "Om Mitraya Namaha" and it is chanted at sunrise [sun salutation/surya namaskar]. Mitra is one of the 108 names of Surya [Sun deity]. It is spelt "Mitra" in Hinduism. The Persian/Zoroastrianism version is "Mithra". The Roman version is "Mithras". You might want to take a look at this video :
Mystic Inn of the Seventh Ray - th-cam.com/video/q--nCelpcjM/w-d-xo.html
All religions are descended from and ancient Vedic cosmology
described in the Rib - Veda, originating in Armenia near Mt. Ararat at
least 6800 ys ago and the basic concepts of a transcendental mountain extending
into space and populated planet Star-gods were developed...he further
says...This Astrotheology then migrated with Armenian Aryans to found the
Sumerian Ethiopian/Egyptian and Indian civilizations and religions...from
Language as a fingerprint Setyan
@ well you're wrong on one thing aryans were from India and arya came from Sanskrit. That Armenia god sculpture could be possible but more research should be done
Sun=son
@@ShubhamMishrabro Ayrain is a self designated term for Persian. Now did Persians come out of India?
For the Celts it was Lugio, from Lugion "serment, contract;" thus Lugus / Lugos in Gallic, Lugh in Gaelic and Lleu in Welsh. Thus the axiom from the plates of Chamalières, France: Bissiet Luge dessummiis Luge
Dessumíis Luge dessumiis luxe
"Be it to Lugus, the righteous, to Lugus, the rightful gold-dark one."
Great video! I had heard the name Mithras bandied about here and there, but was really intrigued when I visited the Mithraeum in San Clemente in Rome. Tried (in an admittedly cursory way) to find out more about this "mystery cult", but came up empty-handed. Now I know why! Thanks very much!
"The name Mithras (Latin, equivalent to Greek "Μίθρας",[1]) is a form of Mithra, the name of an Iranian god,[2] a point acknowledged by Mithras scholars since the days of Franz Cumont.[3] The Greek form of the name appears in Xenophon's biography of Cyrus, the Cyropaedia,[4] a work written in the fourth century BC.
The word Mithra occurs as the name of a praiseworthy being in the Zoroastrian text, the Zend Avesta.[5][6] Similar deity names in related Indo-european languages include Mitra, "मित्रः" found in Rig Vedic hymns.[7][8][9] In Sanskrit, "mitra" means "friend" or "friendship".[10]
In the inscribed peace treaty of c. 1400 BC between Hittites and the Hurrian kingdom of the Mitanni in the area southeast of Lake Vanin Armenian Highlands, the form mi-it-ra-appears as the name of a god invoked together with four other divinities as witnesses and keepers of the pact.[11] Robert Turcan describes this inscription as "the earliest evidence of Mithras in Asia Minor""
Nupuqi Om-Re Khonectics
Chamber 81 Mithra degree
Re Zten Amittai Idren Ninu ItaI Ishai Elkhikhi Sidom
The Ark of the covenant !
This is wis-om ! Oh it is Mithra the great mother Oxygen. Why was the mother Oxygen called Mithra , the goddess of Light , the oath , and covenant ? Here me now my idren , The principle layers of the Atmosphere of Qi (Earth) 9 cipher Mithra ( Mesosphere , Ionosphere , Thermosphere , Heliosphere )- RA . So It was from the O cult that birthed your sciences and your religions . The great mother Mithra birthed Meso where in the waters of Nu Noah's Ark Floated ! This is wis- om , The Reign (Throne , upper Regions ) of the Sun ( Ra )
Bro one more thing you don't picked on. In hinduism sun god another name is mitra
Please do a video about the book of Enoch.
Thank you for the work you are doing. I especially appreciate your unbiased and well researched presentations. Each video I have watched feels like food for thought and has broadened my perspectives on the topics.
Glad to hear it. I try my best to be unbiased in my research. The Book of Enoch is definitely on my priority list.
+ReligionForBreakfast Awesome video.
16:14 I didn't know Sylvester Stallone was a Roman emperor
Now I want to see Sylvester Stallone play Constantine
I have a friend who looks just like nero, pull him into this RCU as well
I have to say your videos are extremely valuable .
Thanks for the video, I recall seeing many claims made on various ancient religions, but in my linguistic studies, I saw no such texts. At the time I figured they were simply better read than me. Your video on the gnostics brought me here and you seem to have more authority on the topic than random 'comedians' and writers, Maher among them.
Rome's military soldiers picked up the practices in Persia and brought it back to Rome, where it was modified.
Agree!
no, rome is a lie. those people are also known as the romim, the kittim - japhethites. same people as the aryans/alans. scythians basically, the northern "lost" tribes of israel. not lost, hidden. "those who say they are jews and are not". today it's israel, russians, the USA. just... look. dont take my word for it.
@@KLG2018 I thought that was the Kenites?
@@KLG2018 you do know being a "jew" is not ethnic, it is about following the laws, ordinances, and commandments of our creator. Its in the laws, anti-semetism is hating those who follow the laws of our creator. If someone is "born Jewish" and stops following the laws, commandments and ordinances. Does not matter if native nor convert, they are cut off from His People.
@@jmillykc it is totally ethnic. Read the interview with Harold Wallace Rosenthal.
Great video and channel, I learned a lot. Humble suggestion: will you make analysis of religious tropes in Raised by Wolves (HBO)? It uses tropes from at least three religions you described on your channel (Sol, Mithraism, Christianity) and could bring more viewers to you (but I'am already sold ofc).
What have we learned from all these videos? "We just don't know". Probably the sincerest battle cry to anyone who's past 24 years old and is well educated. The things we don't know far outweight the things we do. But . . . there's always hope. The thing researchers cling to; that next excavation, that next tomb, that next inscription might just be the answer.
Are the, so-called, "12 disciples" perhaps the 12 "houses" of the zodiac through which the sun passes? (Legit question, just contemplating.)
Typically, the answer is yes.
Then what are the 12 disciples, Keith, since you have a small opinion.
@Keith Davis I don't think this is about "your pearls". It is entirely about the beliefs of people 2000 years ago who did not share your beliefs.
@Keith Davis Okay... I see where we are now. This conversation about an ancient religion has gone off to another mythic system's la-la-land. Thank you Sebastian for having tried to make some sense of my question about a 2000yo non-Judeo-Christian religion, our attempt at a conversation has come to an end, no point in continuing now.
Which part is the beast?
I visited a couple of Mithraea when I was in central Italy last summer. They were really cool.
There's a Temple of Mithras in London also.
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Restored with millions provided by the Rothchild Institute and now used for private parties by the London Elite. Some say they have rituals there for Mithras.
@@nullarborjack Rome worshiped mithra
what did i say? Fear the unknown
@@nullarborjack this may be true. They cannot live without their rituals, do they?
the art in 1:19 and structure in 6:31 is at the Yale art gallery in Connecticut. I've been a few times and its what sparked the interest for me in the cult of Mithras.
Thank you! It is about time someone publicly debunked the "hype."
Thank you ReligionForBreakfast for this evidence-dominant analysis of the relationship between the roman Mithras cult and Christianity. It's refreshing after searching through much dubious material fond of making statements without invoking sources and the nature of those sources. While I'm not saying YT videos need to have the same methodological rigor of academic history, info-videos whose research doesn't go deeper than someone else's heresay quickly become tiring. Particularly disappointing is Bill Maher's "Jesus exposé" which turned out to be more about a political agenda to discredit various forms of non-rational fanaticism - i.e. his particular flavour of "debunking", than a desire to "get to the bottom of things". While I also consider fighting all forms of toxic fanaticism in today's world a very worthy endeavour, I think he should be honest and declare it as such, and neither try to sell it as debunking myth with scientifically enlightened history, nor be willing to use sloppy research in order to do it.
Subscribed! You fill a much needed niche between quickly consumable reporting and academic level material. Thand you and keep it coming.
Great video. I'm glad to see this myth finally get destroyed in detail.
I've seen few time the Mithreum of San Clemente Basilica, when I was a child, with school and recently, everytime is a big emotion for me.
please do manichaeism next, I currently have an interest in extinct major religions :) great video btw
Manichaeism is very tricky to analyze in it's cosmological sides, even neo-Manichaeans on youtube often misrepresented it as imitation of Christianity
Ernas 343 it can be argued that Manichaeism influenced Christianity with its dualistic theology, St Augustine of Hippo was originally a Manichaen before converting to Christianity so he must have brought some concepts from his old faith along with him
Good idea, I'm planning on getting to Manichaeism, Mandaeism, and Zoroastrianism as soon as possible.
ReligionForBreakfast Mandaeism would be fantastic, one of the most interesting gnostic religions out there. Great work!
Kane Whitehead Manicheanism is no longer extinct, it came back and they call themselves Maninaye.
I'd really love to hear about how religious studies scholars determine which belief systems are termed cults and which are religions. Can you do something like this, please?
princesssshortie that would be an interesting topic: cult vs religion. my initial thought is cults are centered around a personality (god, human, or "man-god". that would make early christianity a cult. (forget the modern media use of the term - you were asking about "religious studies scholars". )
I wonder if another distinction might be size? a newer and small religion centered around a specific personality is a cult. once it grows larger and gains a more formal organizational sturcture, it then becomes a "religion".
but I also would say that cults are a certain kind of religion, while not all religions are cults. some might argue that cults are not religions (having lesser status than religions), but I think that is prejorative.
so, I will be interested to hear how RFB distinguishes between cult and religion and to what degree my observations here about it align with RFB.
The short answer is...ancient historians are a lot more likely to use the term cult. The Latin word "cultus" simply means to "honor/cherish/worship," so the phrase "Cult of Mithras" simply means "The Organized Worship of Mithras." In modern English, the term is way more pejorative. Thanks for bringing this up, I'll definitely do a video on this ASAP.
It's only a religion when people get offended at the word cult. By strict definition they are all cults imo.
In Portuguese, a neo-Romance language, evangelical worship is called "culto". It has no pejorative meaning.
Just a linguistic trivia to help to understand semantic shifts :]
a colt is a kind of horse.
Anyone else’s here cos of Raised by Wolves TV Series?
Praise Sol!
hehehehehehehehehehe history is history
Awesome Video! I subscribed! This helps me out great with my research I'm currently doing. Thanks so much!
In his famous text "On the Cave of the Nymphs" Porphyry, a neoplatonic philosopher of the 3. century, gives us a lot of insights into what we could call a Mithraic theology. Not only does he write about Mithras himself and his meaning, but also about the reason, why he is worshipped in a cave and about the grade of "Leontes" (the Lions) and some specific ritual elements ot this grade. For some strange reasons this very important evidence is almost completely ignored by the scientist dealing with the Mithras cult.
Very interesting, thank you!
Hi, newcomer to the channel. Neat video!
”Mystery cult” seems like a contemporary misunderstanding based solely on the secrecy. As far as I understand it other mystery religions shared some kind of claims to transformation and rebirth on a personal and existential level. And we have no evidence that the Mithras worshippers had anything like that.
Is it possible that they were more like a guys club with ranks and initiations; should we perhaps think more in terms of freemasons or hellsangels?
One thing cannot be denied, - Mithras both pre-dated and also was contemporary with Christendom.
1)The Iranic Mithra which dates way back before Christianity was born of the Virgin Anahita who was a goddess of nobility, water, and so on,
2)was in fact born on Dec 25th the longest night of the year which still is celebrated in Iran and it is called "Yalda"
3) specific tradition back in the day was "Mehr Parasti" literal meaning =worshiping of kindness, in which the one would immerse oneself in water come out and say I'm yet again born, and he would become a "Mehr Salek" literal meaning kindness seeker
4) one of the highest honors in this religion was called "Pedar"=Father who gave out gifts on Yalda nights and wore a very long red Cape symbolizing the length of "Yalda" night.
5)in Mithraism, it is told that Mithra is still alive since its a creator and basically Immortal
6)According to the narratives, the statues and inscriptions left behind when Mitra is born are praised by the shepherds
7)When Mitra reached the end of his duties in the world. "Baghmaz" or the assembly held a feast and a holy "Soor" and spent the last "Soor" or dinner with his companions and then ascended to the sky to join "Ormuzd".
They're much more details to the religion but one might enjoy doing their own research.
sorry it's super long, peace out
Thank you so much for dispelling these common misconceptions! Great scholarship.
I share a birthday with my grandmother and one great-great grandmother. My daughter shares a birthday with her grandmother. We aren’t the same person. It’s just a really cool coincidence.
you're subscriptions have exploded recently
WELL DONE
Thanks! We're growing around 400 new subs per month.
I swear you only had about 11 subs when I subbed, it's awesome to see other people getting interested in this stuff too
I love how you speak. No ADHD here! Speaking FAST, no floppy talking, no sagging snagging tired word whiskers dragging attention away from HOT topic we're hanging on the edge of our seats to learn.
Anyway - Joseph Atwill's fairly new Caesar's Messiah is a fascinating topic I've discovered. Hope you will or have covered it.
I'm sharing your videos all over my fb sites, and I have LOTS of them.
Thanks RFB!
If there are any remaining texts from antiquity on Mithras they are probably in the Vatican archives and way beyond public access.
Thank you for doing this research and sharing. I would like to add, however, that it's not believed by Christians that Jesus was born on December 25th, at least not the ones who read their Bibles. That was a date chosen by the Catholic church, with intent. It's commonly held that he was either born in fall (September) or spring (March). Why the Catholic Church chose that day is up to some speculation. It could have been for nefarious reasons, as some conclude there were some very very corrupt popes in those days, or it could have been to overtake another pagan day of worship, such as the one mentioned in this video, or perhaps another held at the same time, Saturnalia.
A Roman emperor decided not to have two maojr holidays so he combined the two. That's why the Armenian church and others, celebrate Jesus's baptism on Jan 6th.
Dr Taylor Marshall explained why they believe Jesus was born on Dec 25.
th-cam.com/video/b7nuX2F_Cpo/w-d-xo.html
It is speculated that Jesus was born sometime near December 25, a few days off, but the church decided to move the birthday to the 25 because there was a pagan celebration on that day
They adopted December 25 because, at it's core, Catholicism is pagan sun worship. The Reformation was necessary to chisel away at the false system of beliefs introduced into Christianity.
If military mainly practiced this religion, wouldn't it make sense for their Mithraea to become abandoned, after the military unit that practiced there was relocated?
The God of the Hebrews is millitary.
@@moshiacsun6573 The Lord of Hosts, terrible as an army with banners.
Defeated by Roman.
You can not have warring groups worship the same God.
From Mithra, Judisum to CHRIST.
I really like your videos. I'd love to see one covering the Eleusinian Mysteries
I must say. Your channel has impressed me. Good man and good info.
A lot of Mithraism is alive and well in Freemasonry today.
What do you think Mithraism is, Christianity.
@@stykman8391 lol
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@@stykman8391 Zoroastrianism
At a lumber yard I asked them if I might take a few complimentary used bricks and broken tiles and the manager replied: 'Sir, I do not believe in Free Masonry!"
Man the 18th and 19th century writers really loved their wild evidence-lacking elaborations.
Yes they did
Thank you for doing all the research, posting sources and making these great videos!
"Seemingly pulling these notions out his own ... imagination"
Love how you explain these things...pure scholarship.....no agenda...only the truth...at least as we know it today.....keep it up
Overall appreciative, but there does seem to be some downplaying here.
Solar/Astrological connections are not arbitrary.
1:15 *G-d’s announcer voice* “THIS SUMMER, GET READY FOR…… TWO BROTHERS!!!!!!!!” *crowd goes apeshit, destroys the stadium*
5:35 "All over de Mediterranean" showing Germany...
As a Freemason, this almost sounds like influences on the formation of Freemasonry...
Frank Clark jep tru
Frank Clark and Obviously as a member of a secret society, you would divulge such details
Divulge what details?
One of the most fascinating sites I've ever visited, and several times actually, is the monolithic church of Aubeterre-sur-Dronne, in southwestern France. There is a crypt underneath which is or was supposed to have been dedicated to the cult of Mithras, although that seems to be a matter of debate these days, and I don't find it in the Wikipedia list of French mithraea. Nevertheless, the whole site made a strong impression on me.
Truth!!!! I appreciate your attention to historical accuracy!!!! This is one of my new favorite channels!!!!
Thank you for your informative video! I’ve been to the Mitreo in Santa Maria Capra Vetere (near Caserta in Italy) & recognize some of your images being from there. Did you personally visit as well?? It’s my dad’s home town and I was amazed to find so much history buried underneath all that cobblestone!
can you make a video about pre Islamic Arabian paganism:) keep up the good work
Ben The Cat That is a really neat idea :)
Awesome idea indeed. I'll see if I can add it to the "upcoming video" list.
oh yeah i want to know more about Yazidism
I just realized this is newer video and the Arabian paganism video has not been made🙇.. All is well tho, I am binge watching the rest lol.
wearealltubes well there is a pre Islamic historical museum in Saudi Arabia
Throughout the video I was just thinking how Mithrandir is just another name fro Gandalf.