The Roman Cults that Rivaled Christianity
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- Could the cults of Sol Invictus or Mithras have replaced Christianity?
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Chapters:
0:00 The god Sol
0:54 Mithras
1:37 Elagabal
1:59 Sol Invictus
4:10 Noble Roman Coins
5:21 Constantine and Sol
6:13 Rivals of Christianity
6:59 Lingering influence
Even the Teletubbies worshipped the sun ☀️
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i think mithraisim a branch of unorthodox zoroastrian religions was growing fast
Ave Sol Invictus
light fire sun is one of the important holy pilars of aryan zoroastrian religion
Praise the sun
"Mithra" is synonym for Sun god in Hinduism also. "Om Mithraya Namah" is an invocation of the Lord Surya , Hindu Sun God.
I was wondering if it was the same Mithra! Makes sense as the romans traded far enough to reach hinduist regions and bring back their beliefs.
No, it's because of the iranian god mithra @BaalFridge
@@BaalFridge I don't think that's the case......these gods were worshipped in central anatolia once ....they found some archeological digs for the god
I can't recall much but I read it a long time ago
So romans probably adapted that
But Iran is even closer to India, how does that preclude them being connected?
@@BaalFridge nah! It could be the other way as the Romans and Indians had old trade culture ..
The Babylonians are not different
I think the evidence shows that Sol was already on the rise during the Severan Dynsasty era and Aurelian is just the one who built a new temple and issued a new feast.
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@@rodionromanovich449 I've always asserted the internet is in reality 4 men and a goat and nothing about my time online has made me waver in that assessment
yo do you kno why it's called gnosis? gnomon are sun dials yeah and you use them to guage relations that are deeply connected like shadows. well then you start to say what is the shadow of form itself not just as light reflects and you see 4d shapes and so on. this also reveals true definitions of words like god as humanity across 4d and as reflected in the universe itself let alone our experience. etc.
i think mithraisim a branch of unorthodox zoroastrian religions was growing fast
"On the Rise" nice
The thing is that these cults were not exclusive, a worshiper of Mithras or Elagabal was not expected to give up the other gods. So religious competition didn't really exist in the modern sense until the advent of exclusive religions like Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. And these religions tend to compete not only among each other but even more between the different sects they tend to split into.
They weren't exclusive in terms requiring one to reject the worship of other gods, but they were competition for the time, money, and passion of worshippers. Those who venerated Mithras did so with all those things that they weren't devoting to any other cults or temple establishments. Obviously, they would still make an offering to Neptune to before a sea voyage or something, but they were putting a lot of personal resources into one particular patron deity.
@@TacticusPrime Most temples of Mithras have altars and shrines to other gods as well so no, they weren't neglecting the other deities.
@@aedesaegypti3129 What are you talking about? Catholics have shrines to saints in their churches. So what? Going to a particular place to primarily focus your religious life is the point. You couldn't be both an Isis cultist and a Mithras cultist. Not that you couldn't respect Isis or whichever Roman deity you conflated her with, but that there wasn't enough time in the day.
@@TacticusPrime Again, mystery cults were not exclusive. And there are multiple examples of people who were members of multiple mystery cults simultaneously.
@@aedesaegypti3129 OK, name them.
I was surprised you did not cover the cult of Antinous, the last Roman pagan god of antiquity. He was the lover of Hadrian and after he died by drowning in the Nile in 130 AD, Hadrian declared him a god and established his cult. He was a bit of a threat to the early church and one mentioned in church writings.
He wasn't the lover of Hadrian, he just got an elaborate mourning.
@@H0mework an elaborate mounting, n'est-ce pas ?
Or apollonius of tyana
The 'lover'-part is contested, that his cult was significant is not.
Me too, first one I thought of.
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Let us not forget Priapism.......
@@billlynn8256what
Stoicism
Cynicism
Sol Invictus
Mithraism
Manichaeism
Cult of Jupiter Dolichensus
Cult of African Saturn
Cult of Isis
Cult of Serapis
Cult of Cybele
Gnosticism
Stoicism and cynicism are philosophies and not necessarily competing with Christianity as, for example, stoicism and neoplatonism have and can be reconciled with the Faith.
@@RuthvenMurgatroyd Thats debateable, the classic stoics appealed to pagan Gods. Their idea of virtue functions completely different than Christian Virtue.
Why u spoil??
What about Apollonius of Tyana?
The cult of Artemis Ephesia too.
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Kevin is a great guy but on his most recent lots of semi-cleaned Greek and Roman provincial coins they were initially listed as all being false-desert patina and the listing has been updated to suggest only some of them are. This may have been an oversight but just a buyer beware for new collectors who don't yet have a good eye for an authentic sand-fill patina vs one glued onto the coin by random middle-eastern merchants. Beyond that I can vouch for his other stuff, I've gotten some pretty neat coins from him and he's always pleasant and helpful, his uncleaned coins from the Balkans can turn up neat stuff occasionally too, like an Imperator Victorinus.
The internet’s recent interest with the “sun god” is very peculiar.
Very nice video as always!
current state of the internet always makes me wish i was an anthropologist
The earliest actual documentation we have sees mentions of Christmas well before any mention of the December Sol Invictus celebration. Thus it's much more likely that Christmas actually influenced Sol Invictus, rather than the other way around.
Jesus was not born in December by the way
@@francescofilippi2824John the Baptist was conceived in September, so he would have been born in June. He’s six months older than Jesus. Six months from June is December. Jesus was born in December.
@CybermanKing no he wasn’t
@@jool5941 In Luke’s Gospel, Zechariah is serving in the Temple offering incense at the end of Yom Kippur when the angel Gabriel visited him, telling him his wife will bear a son. 9 months from that is the nativity of John the Baptist. Six months from that is December 24. Christmas Day is the day Jesus was born.
@@francescofilippi2824 When was he born?
Whenever I see a new video from toldinstone I just click on it without looking to see what it’s really about. Excellent
The cult of Mithras still exists. My friend's father is a Magi of Mithras. Los Angeles
In a couple weeks, there will be a total eclipse of the sun over my house in Ohio. I wonder how the Romans would have interpreted this event? Will anyone today act in a similar fashion as the Romans?
Many Romans thought that eclipses were bad omens
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We had the totality in my state - not Ohio -- as well. It was a stunning experience. No wonder our ancestors freaked out about it.
I hope that new sponsorship is legit and not another scam like the nobility titles one...
Kevin is a stand-up guy, I've gotten quite a few coins from him and he's always pleasant and helpful. I will note however that his most recent lots of Greek and Roman semi-cleaned coins were initially listed as being all false desert patina and now have been updated to suggest only some of them are, so if you don't yet have a good eye for that sort of thing stick with stuff from the western provinces or the Balkans that aren't subject to that kind of commercial modification. It was probably an oversight but new numismatists should be aware of what they could potentially be getting.
So Mithras was Roman guys retreating to the man cave to watch NFL.
Pretty close, as I understand it. It was very popular with the Roman soldiers, wasn't it?
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How art thou? Thou lobby bottle of cheap stinking chip oil.
Smashethed.
Pretty annoying, not to mention illiterate.
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So basically even after thousands of years we still worship the sun. Which is honestly not a bad thing, seeing as the sun is the global bringer of life. All hail His radiance!
Very cool topic and mind-blowing visuals, thank you
Thank you for the Noble Roman Coins shout out, I have been looking for something like this
Except that by the early 2nd century Christians were already meeting on Sundays across the Roman empire instead of Saturday and the Didache written in AD52 by the Christians changes the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. So Constantine almost 300 years later probably didn’t have any effect on which day the Christians held as holy.
Well, Not “probably” he definitely didn’t unless he owned and used a time machine
The Sunday ekklesia remained the minority until well into the 4th century.
I'm not sure if you've uploaded one in the past but a video on Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius would be really interesting. Thanks for the content.
Never been here so early! Hello Told In Stone!! I love your videos as they bring back the joy I had taking college courses specifically about The Roman Republic and another about the Empire!
Thank you so much for your take on this story. Your objectivity was very enjoyable. Thanks.
always a pleasure seeing you've uploaded
Kool Vid! In the Loeb translation of his writings Emperor Julian Augustus refers to Helios, he considered himself a greek...
I would love to see more on Roman religious practices. Maybe in a broad video on major gods their commonalities and differences. I know they had temples but did they daily worship. What symbols, colors or offerings came with that etc I enjoyed this video though. Thanks Garrett!
that uncleaned coin lot sales page confuses me... do they sell coins in small lots for the $16 price tag or just one coin from a lot?
I doubt you could get more than one ancient coin for less than $16, even uncleaned $16 for one seems like a steal.
His semi-cleaned and un-cleaned are sold as singles, so it'd be $16 per coin. I'd spend a little more and stick with his cleaned & attributed stuff though, until you've got a good eye for things numismatic-wise.
@@theeccentrictripper3863 & @dodiswatchbobobo thanks for the comments. yeah, I havent been in the hobby in some years. I remember when buying a few uncleaned coins were right around that price point, but that was like a decade ago :P
@@gamingchinchilla7323 I'm newer than some but I really hit the ground running and I'm pretty into it now, there's something magical as hell about holding something from 2000+ years ago, and the magic doubles when you clean a coin, it's like indirectly shaking hands with the last person to touch its bare surface.
Shew thank goodness, I hadn't thought about ancient Rome in days
It’s only been 2 minutes
When on a driving and camping tour of Britain in 1996, I was surprised to find, and visit, a temple of Mithras at Hadrian's Wall, on the very edge of the Roman Empire.
1:13 what is the guy on the right doing?
HOLD ON A SECOND WAIT W H A T
Let a man edge in peace
Exactly what you think he's doing.
Touching his willy
He's clearly pissing on a small overactive dog out of spite, if you've never owned one maybe you wouldn't understand. He's probably thinking "this little shit is gonna get crushed by a bull's hoof and I am entirely over it already..."
Very effective ad for Noble Roman Coins. Good investment on their part. Great video.
The Gospels and the traditions they record, as well as the rest of the New Testament, had already been around a long time before Constantine showed up. These portray Christ having risen from the grave, and His followers regularly meeting to commemorate the event afterwards, on "the Lord's Day," the first day of the week, which the Romans called Sunday.
Does it seem more likely that the Christianizing Constantine selected Sunday because it was part of his attempt to appeal to the growing Christian element in a way that would also not be too offensive to Pagans, *or* that he chose to set aside the day out of actual reverence for the Sun god? Yes, it was Sun-day, but it was also the Lord's Day, a day of Christian reverence, and Constantine was a massive patron of Christianity.
This belies a Christian-centric worldview that had not yet come into being, and would not be fully ushered in until after Constantine's death. It's okay to have been influenced by paganism, you won, take the W and stop trying to rip the bones right out of your religion.
Lord's Day is Sabbath which is Saturday.
In latin Sunday was called "dies Solis", later as they adopted christianity they replaced the name with "dies Dominicus".
@Keskitalo1 ,
Yes, the seventh day was the sabbath. The Bible never calls the first day of the week the sabbath. The only thing in the Church Age referred to as the sabbath is Jesus Christ. Hebrews tells us that *He* is our only sabbath rest. The first day of the week simply became the accustomed day for meeting to celebrate Christ's saving work for us because He rose on that day.
The Bible never uses the New Testament term "the Lord's Day" to refer to the sabbath/seventh day. If the Bible is talking about the sabbath, it just says "sabbath."
The earliest days of the Church saw believers meeting every day, but this quickly changed to an emphasis on the first day. (Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor. 16:2) And it was well after this change that John writes in The Revelation that the vision came to him on "The Lord's Day." If he had meant "on the sabbath," that's what he would have said. The Lord's Day was a distinct concept from the sabbath.
Also, Paul instructed believers not to be concerned with such things as feast days, new moon rituals, *and sabbaths* (Col. 2:16)
The New Covenant Church did not keep to the sabbath (especially the gentile contingent, which the vast majority of us are and who are freed from such things as sabbath observance by the decree of the Apostles in the Jerusalem Council as depicted in Acts). They *did* meet on the first day of the week, but not as a sabbath rest (which we have the fulfillment of in Christ), but as a celebration.
The first day of the week was referred to as The Lord's Day by Christians long before the Roman Empire adopted Christianity. The Romanization of Christianity did impose several accretions onto the faith that would require a Reformation to pry back off, but neither Constantine nor Justinian *invented* Christianity, nor did they invent calling the first day of the week The Lord's Day.
@@jameswoodard4304In our church teachings (btw i am orthodox christian) Lord died on cross on friday that's why we call it Veliki petak (the great friday), next day is saturday/subota/šabat so it's called Velika Subota (the great saturday/šabat), and with old testament šabat was that seventh day for resting but Lord came to fulfill old testament so now new day for resting is sunday, so on sunday Lord arise from grave and that day we call Vaskrs, Uskrs (and today is that day in our Orthodox church) so from that day we don't celebrate sabbat as day of rest, now it's sunday, and in our tradition we don't connect it with any sun diety or any other sun shit, because in our language name for sunday is nedelja (day on what something cannot be separated) and what can't be separated is Holy Trinity (God Father, God son (Lord) and Holy spirit (the one you catholics do not believe exist) so i hope i cleared things a bit.
@miloscarapic4502 ,
1) I am not a Roman Catholic. I am a Baptist.
2) All Chritians, east and west, believe in the Holy Spirit. Why in the world do you think Catholics don't believe the Holy Spirit exists?!
3) Your tradition is as much descended from the church of Constantine as is the Roman Catholic. All of the Eastern Orthodox communions are descended from the Byzantine culture and religion of Constantinople, founded and ruled by the first Christian Roman Emperor Constantine. The scriptures and liturgies then had to be translated from the Greek and Latin that Constantine spoke into your Slavic language.
My point is that the history I am talking about is shared by all Christian traditions whose history traces back through Constantine, which includes both yours and mine.
4) Western, including English-speaking, Christians don't connect the first day of the week or the celebration of the Resurrection with "any sun sh!t" either. We just never changed the pagan *name* of the day of the week and the time of year. Most non-English-speaking western Christians use more Christian names for both. Resurrection Sunday is often referred to by words based on Pesach, the Jewish festival of Passover which Christ's death and resurrection fulfilled and replaced. In Spanish, for example, the seventh day of the week is called Sabado (Sabbath) and the first is called Domingo (the Lord's).
The pre-Christian tradition of your culture was just as pagan as mine or any in the west. Some cultures kept older names for things while forgetting their pagan meanings and dedicating them to Christ, while others gave them new names. One is not inherently better than the other.
Sol invictus was the 21st of December
I've been on an Esoterica binge lately (Really great channel for anyone interested in Western Mysticism and the occult.) and this is a perfect compliment to that.
If you like religion origin/development videos from the perspective/interpretation of an obvious atheist/secular skeptic reaching for things to deconstruct maybe.
@@archieames1968 excuse me are you able to clarify. Are you saying Justin Sledge from the esoterica channel is an atheist/skeptic?
@@archieames1968 While I don't believe that Dr. Justin Sledge is the most pious and Orthodox Jew to ever live, I find it hard to believe that someone who is a partner to a rabbi and wears a yamaka almost all the time to be a hardcore atheist. I don't think a dyed-in-the-wool atheist could be bothered to do a doctorate in his field without losing their minds.
@@EbonySaintsiirc he is reconstructionist which are basically at least for a significant portion if not majority, atheists/antitheist/secular with yalmukes.Also there is believe it or not an admittedly small faction of atheists and even antitheists that subscribe or at least appear to subscribe to the reverse of conventional wisdom and value the pageantry and trappings of religion over its substance. They usually are found in sects like the unitarians among the christian derived branches. If you're asking what the point is, masking atheism or even in some cases virulent antitheism with religious terminology and ritual.I personally agree there doesn't seem to be any but a few people seem to enjoy the exercise.
@@EbonySaintsHe is though. There’s a video where he says so. There are atheist rabbis. They find value in the teachings and traditions of the religion even though they don’t believe the god of the religion literally exists. Jordan Peterson has essentially the same relationship with Christianity that Sledge does with Judaism.
I love these videos with all my heart and Sol
Theodosius I: "What rivals?"
I get that the video itself mainly focuses on solar cults but from the title I really expected the cult of Isis to be included, as well.
PLEASE PUT SOME SOURCES IN THE DESCRIPTION I WANT TO KNOW
Just visited rome, and one thing that stood out is the amount of mithras statues, paintings, sculptures, etc. Very near to see the knowledge hat. However, more conspiratorially and probably very wrong is when you associate the 8 pointed star to sol, and you will see it present in architecture from today back to ancient time in the roman forum. It was explained to me that the 8 pointed star was a family crest of Papel nobel family. However, my guide was very unsure and dodged the question hard. I'm not sure if the symbolic element is understood or if people just love pointy stars.
Anyine know the painting depicted at 6:41 or who it's by? Really love it
The martyrs at the catacombs Christian religious assembly at the funeral of the first Christians in Rome. Painting by Jules Lenepveu
The martyrs at the catacombs Christian religious assembly at the funeral of the first Christians in Rome. Painting by Jules Lenepveu
Great video
1:00 I visited the London Mithraeum last year. It was a short visit, but definitely worth it.
I went as well, and left an offering.
WHAT ABOUT HADRIAN'S TWINK CULT????
TWINK CULT?! Now I gotta look it up. Sounds like my kind of religion.👀
WHAT DA HELLLLL
Antinous' cult. It actually took off and got very popular. It was another rival cult against Christianity.
1:13 what's with dude taking a leak?
First came mother goddess as depicted in clay sculptures 1000s of years before any recorded history
Does the Elagabalus meteorite still exist? If so, where is it and how big is it? What is its composition? If not, do we know how big it was and what happened to it?
Side-eyes funny black stone in the Kaaba
There may be a connection with the Kaaba as a lot of Islam was codified and elaborated by the Ummayad dynasty who put an end to a long series of inter -Islamic wars known as the Fitna wars. The Ummayad capital was in Damascus in Syria not very far from the city of Emesa or Homs where the emperor Heliogabalus' ancestors came from. In Emesa the black stone was worshiped with rituals similar to those in the Mecca Kaaba. There are even coins of this holy black stone. Just google "Images" - the black stone of Emesa and you will get pictures of this black holy rock.@@theeccentrictripper3863
@@theeccentrictripper3863 I searched on the internet and found an article published in a journal published by the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada. Here is the relevant quote
[Tne stone] was probably smashed to pieces when the temple was converted into a Christian church, some time in the 4th century. The site, now occupied by a mosque, has never been excavated. All that remains of the mysteri- ous black stone are ancient texts and a collection of iconographic documents, mostly coins.
@@professorsogol5824 My comment was a tongue-in-cheek joke but that's quite fascinating, learning stuff every day. It doesn't surprise me that was its eventual fate though
whats that painting in the thumbnail?
I just read the book "The Greatest Lie Ever Told" by WH Uffington.
SUPER interesting, especially as a former evangelical christian........
What is the origin of the pointed "sun crown"? I've definitely seen this motif on many Roman emperors. Even prior to the era depicted on the Constantine coin in the video.
Ave, true to toldinstone
Seeing as how we'd be absolutely boned without the sun, actually probably not exist at all. I can get behind some sol worship.
BLOOD CREEPIN WHILE YOU'RE SLEEPIN STEADY CREEPIN BLOOD CREEPIN
everything on this planet has lived & died under the sun and moon
Good stuff
As a veteran injured during my service, the invocation of Sol Invictus as a patron of people like myself has been a really interesting insight into the durability of ancient beliefs and customs. Its excites me how they evolve over time, yet often retain key elements at their core that reflect the continuity of ancient ideas.
i think mithraisim a branch of unorthodox zoroastrian religions was growing fast and influnced abrahamic religion thought heavily
Thanks for your service, the Unconquered Sun applauds your valor
Is the intro "the lick"?
are there any good vendors for roman coins in Europe?
It’s interesting to note that Elagabal is essentially a version of the Near Eastern god El, so basically, the God of Abrahamic religions and that just like the Kaaba for Islam, a black meteorite was involved in the worship
The Sabbath moved to the first day if the week because it was the day Christ resurrected, was the day he appeared to apostles in the following 40 days. Wad observed by Paul when having communion. And is a statement about how we can now rest in Christ before doing our works, opposite of the Jewish religion.
I understand what you're saying but that is a common articulation that is technically not correct.
The early Church did not move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Instead “The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday, which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ” (CCC 2190). Sunday is the day Catholics are bound to keep, not Saturday.
Only one gospel says Jesus hung around for 40 days. Paul only saw Jesus in a vision not in real life.
Rad! having a beer at the pizza place waiting for my togo and this gem pops up! AVE TOLDINSTONE!
I thought the religious significance of Sunday to Christianity predated Constantine? Perhaps Christ was associated with the Sun god by early Christians, but I didn’t think Constantine conceived of that relationship himself
It does pre exist Constantine. This can be seen from early church patristic writings as well as the bible itself.
Mithra= statute of liberty...holding the sun in its right arm...
What is the thumbnail, does anyone know?
Helios on the chariot. Allegory with the coats of arms of Trąby (Woyna) and Nałęcz (Górski)
Wikimedia doesn't attribute the artist, they're anonymous I suppose
@@theeccentrictripper3863 thank you sir
Aurelian is also responsible for all of the sun iconography that we see in Medieval Christianity, especially Byzantine iconography.
It might be told in stone, but I really appreciate having it told by you.
I don't speak stone anyway 😂
If some features of Sol Invictus were attributed to Jesus, is it possible that early christianity (now modernised with the new testament) was also inspired by elements of other religions and beliefs?
Of course it was.
love that Wisconsin accent 👍
The relief 2:14 looks like you
Wasn't Aten more Nefertiti's thing that Akhenaten's? I mean, he was the boss, but I don't think he was the one doing the work, especially in light of his illness and frequent periods of exhaustion.
i think mithraisim a branch of unorthodox zoroastrian religions was growing fast and influnced abrahamic religion thought heavily
According to Adrian Goldsworthy, the rise of Christianity in the Roman Empire was not as traumatic to its people as it may seem to us nowadays.
1) the Romans didn't find Christianity anomalous because it was monotheistic, but because they saw it as atheistic; the popular narrative that Christianity was persecuted for being monotheistic is modern-era propaganda -- probably against the rise of secularism and non-religiousness of the post-WWII period;
2)for practical purposes, the average pagan pretty much only adored two gods in his or her daily life: usually the local god and the empire's god (in Rome's case, Jupiter Optimus Maximus); so paganism in the High Empire already seemed to be de facto bitheistic, borderline monotheistic in the daily routine of the common person;
3)in this transition to “bitheism”, there was a convergent evolution of paganism to adore the Sun as the “universal god” - it was simply common sense to unite the plethora of local religions to what they all have in common, i.e. the Sun;
4) it seemed early adherence to Christianity was very “pagan”, i.e. votive, that is, commoners wanted to have an afterlife, something the pagan religions didn't believe (the only way to have an afterlife was to be deified, which was a privilege of the emperor and the empress), so rich middle class folk from Rome converted to Christianity later in life just to become immortal; in other words, there wasn't a dichotomy between being pagan and christian: God as really just another god;
To which I think it would be worth it to add other points:
a) the rise of Christianity in Rome is clearly linked to the collapse of the Empire. As the local economies started to crumble and, with them, their local elites (therefore, the local gods), in order to keep Rome in one peace, the emperors instinctively realized a centralizing religion, with one single god, was necessary. Elagabalus and Sol Invictus are merely failed iterations before the consolidation of Christianity (and Julian's isolated policy a desperate, very late attempt to restore the status quo ante);
b) the rise of Christianity in this economic and political context seemed to have happened against the will of the Roman elite as a whole, including the imperial office. Archaeological evidence from Rome itself of the Constantinian period indicates Christianity rose organically, occupying the (mainly economic) void of the self-destruction of the Principate system. The (old) Roman elite simply abandoned its citizens, and Christianity -- which seemed to have spread from the rich urban classes -- was the only source left of material goods to co-opt the Roman people. The story was completely different in the Byzantine era, when pagans were actively and systematically persecuted and exterminated with the open purpose of spreading and consolidating Christianity.
Thanks!
Deeply appreciated!
the halo imagery in Christian art seems to come from Roman art
i think mithraisim a branch of unorthodox zoroastrian religions was growing fast
PRAISE SOL!
Sol is a nice cerveza.
Hail Mithra
Hail Christ the king
I like that Judaism, christianity, Islam, hinduism seem like a logical religon to believe in in their time periods. Their rules and general teachings appealed to a lot of people at the time. Its easy to see how these religions grew to be so dominate and survived to our modern times despite splitting up and changing over time (especially Christianity)
It's exactly the opposite. Judaism did not appeal to Gentiles. Too many food rules, circumcision, needing to only marry in the faith, conversion. Christianity appealed to the oppressed and those in dire circumstances. Which is why Christianity did not dominate when the Roman empire was still in good shape. Things were good, people were happy, things were peaceful, why did they need any savior god? Then things went south for the Romans in the 4-5th centuries. Then Christianity starts to take hold, however, and this is a big however, people were still worshipping their pagan gods. Christians finally had to outlaw the other faiths - close academies, temple, shrines, destroy writings, commandeer holidays to stop people from worshipping their old gods. Islam took the same route.
They named the most important day of the week after the Sun ☀️🌞☀️
03:56. The globe of the world.
There's a reality that people don't get: Romans worshiped gods from different religion. They could worship a mixture of Egyptian and Roman gods for example. Basically just because one was a Christian, that didn't mean he wasn't worshiping other gods (pagan, as Christians called them).
Sun worship is both ubquitous throughout history and the only rational, by our standards, religion. Unlike gods, its existence cannot be questioned. And it enables all life on earth. And if that was simply that, fine. But, yeah, it gets tied up with all sorts of other nonsense. As for orgiastic sun worship, there were orgiastic Christian cults too as John Romer covered in both his book and documentary series, Testament. Recounting some of its rituals...uh...not in the best taste 😂 Another fine video, Garrett!
Thing I think is the old days for one thing they took a lot of effort and time to worship some kind of god. Romans, Egypt, Mayans, Incas , Greeks, they built massive buildings for some god. Do they not get credit for that?
Sol invictus
Why do uncleaned coins sell for more than cleaned coins?
They don't generally, if you find a guy upcharging on uncleaned coins on the off-chance you might get some silver run for the hills, it's a scam. The cheapest I've gotten stuff that still looked alright, having already been cleaned, is around $20-30, and uncleaned lots can go for as little as $5-10 a coin at times.
Dang, I just bought two lots of darn roman and greek coins…
Sunday, Sol Invictus' Sun-day, Christian the day of rest. Mind blown!
It must be admitted that the Resurrection of the founder of Christianity on a Sunday was especially convenient to Constantine's Solar scheme. Big win for Constantine to swing that!
The Christians of Rome already celebrate Jesus' resurrection on sunday at least since the 150's AD. More than a century before Constantine's birth.
Evola has a good pamphlet on Mithraism.
There is so little certainty on Mithraism to start with, I wouldn't look to a 20th century theosophist to give a proper historical accounting of it. He's fun to read but he's not exactly a stellar scholar, he's got his own Evolean game.
@@theeccentrictripper3863 Naturally, that goes for a lot of his work except I think the books on Hermeticism are very good. It was just a good read I was really into Mithraism at the time and information was incredibly scant.
From my knowledge is seemed to borrow much from the even older mystery cults of antiquity.
@@Teutius That's the impression a lot of people get, it's a mystery cult with possible eastern influences and I think there's evidence for a slow build-up of this tradition as far back as Vespasian's troops turning to cheer the sun at the Second Battle of Bedriacum, but because it's not actually a religion attempting to compete with other religions for total domination over civilization a la Christianity it didn't leave much to really sink our teeth into materially. It will always be a fascinating topic though, and the Earth still hides secrets, we may yet find more information or evidence to substantiate theories on their beliefs and practices.
evola is overrated and usually talks out of his ass lol. maybe dumezil or eliade.
3:23 Illuminati confirmed
Every morning when I get up, I make a sacrifice to the sun. It gives me warmth, it gives me light, it provides countless benefits. And I can see the sun (ha, ha). So I don't blame the Romans for worshiping it. They were ahead of their time. Somewhere over the last 2000+ years, we have lost that.
Found the man who suns his balls
lol jk that's neat
I'm just saying, it would've been hella cool to follow an actual European cult like Mithras or Sol Invictus, but nooo we got the boring Abrahamic ones that everyone else did
Miyazaki also worshipped the sun along with the cult-like devotees of the Dark Souls game trilogy.
I trust the sun only . Not one singular man. Finally I see the light. Not all will and it’s ok each has their journey you can’t force them.
I think the genius of Christianity which made it light years ahead of its rivals was how it integrated the lives of ordinary people into the whole cosmic set up. All the figures in the Christian narrative are people that everyone can relate to -ordinary human beings selected by God to fulfill certain roles as part of a divine plan and they all demonstrate traits of empathy and compassion that the ordinary populace can strive to emulate. The whole nativity story is an excellent exemplar of this -an ordinary woman chosen to fulfill a divine plan -the whole narrative of the birth of Jesus - it all sounds so plausible and on a human level. Contrast this with the rival cults whether of Isis or Mithras or whatever and it is all to vague and obviously mythic with figures that are obviously such archetypes that they are difficult to relate to. Christianity too had such a marked ethical component which "pagan" ideologies often totally lacked. I don't think the devotees of Dionysus or Isis or Mithras after their respective rituals and rites were eager to go out to help the poor and to right the wrongs of the world. These cults were just about stroking the egos and demands of the divinities involved and not on improving the world, of consoling the slave or helping the distressed and underpriviliged. Christianity was qualitatively different. The meek and poor would inherit the earth! Almost universally in paganism the status quo of this world would be repeated in the after life- the slave would remain a slave and serve the master. Christianity reversed all this - a mere fisherman St Peter holds the keys to the pearly gates. A mere humble Jewish woman Mary not proud Athena or Hera becomes the queen of heaven.
Just ignore the lines that come through my message - I just don't know how that happens!
@@kaloarepo288well said. Thank you. A tree is known by its fruit.
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Are you saying compassion didn't exist before Christianity? Uh, don't think so. Nativity story is ridiculous on at least 3 levels. Mary wasn't a woman, she was at most 13-15 the age at which most girls got married in early Hebrew society. She was in no mature mental state to make any kind of important 'choice'. She was still a child. NO administrator in his right mind would make people go back to the place of their ancestors for a census. You do know WHY census' are held, right? And NO ONE would put a nearly full term pregnant woman on a donkey to take a road trip.
Glory to ☀️sun.
I think Mithraism and Christianity fused over time. There's some early depictions of Jesus being related to the sun in some ways
🔥🔥🔥 SUNDAY 🔥🔥🔥
You really should state more clearly when you're getting into the sponsored part of your video. You used to do that.
They are all mystery school myths. Highly complex symbolic allegories
You forgot to cover the cult of Littelus Caeserus, a group of people who worshipped & primarily ate small discs of baked bread covered in a type of sauce, perhaps made of tomatoes, and melted cheese. It was said that they had lost their minds to such madness & devotion to this food that the only word they could utter was the name of their beloved dish twice.
Isn't tomato 🍅 a New World plant?
Lmao
Woosh@@hieratics
There was also the cult of Artemis Ephesia that seemed to rival Christianity quite well until the late 3rd century AD. According to several scholars, the cult of Artemis in Ephesus might've influenced some of the pastoral epistles, such as 1st Timothy. Also not to mention that in Acts 19 that the cult of Artemis Ephesia was quite strong in the 1st century.
I recommend Richard Oster's Ephesian "Artemis as an Opponent of Early Christianity", James Rietveld's "Artemis of the Ephesians", and "Spirituality as "good Christian citizenship" in the Pastoral Epistles?" by Lloyd K. Pietersen.
In Acts, Paul dissed Artemis and all the people of that area ran them out saying "Artemis is the greatest!" Very interesting, though in the end, Artemis was not the greatest.
@@AkrafenaOh, yeah, iconoclasm proves divine favor, that’s why Calvinism is the only TRUE Christianity! Anyone who says otherwise can, of course, be said to be inhabited by the same lying spirit as inhabited those priestesses of Artemis.
Artemis, the Mother of Gods, who brought sudden death with her arrow to women in childbirth, had her temple at Ephesus burned down by Herostratus while she was away attending the birth of Alexander. It was rebuilt. She was identified by the Romans with their Diana, the virgin huntress. Christians had destroyed the image of Diana at Ephesus before the Council of Ephesus declared the Virgin Mary to be the Mother of God. Artemis triumphed!
Artemis's twin brother was Apollo, some of whose characteristics were transferred to Jesus Christ. Was there some overlap with Sol Invictus, whose crown Jesus apparently took over?
@@faithlesshound5621 The Council of Ephesus's ruling is unrelated to the destruction to the goddess's temple. Ephesus was about a centuries long debate about the nature of the Virgin Mary. Was she the mother of God (Theotokos), or the mother of Christ (Christotokos)? It was ruled she was Theotokos.
Also, what characteristics did Jesus get from apollo?
@@Akrafena A tall blonde man with blue eyes in Western European art. His sister/mother became a white woman in a blue dress. Back in Palestine, both would have been brown-skinned Jews with black hair and brown eyes. I doubt that the Ephesians were concerned about theological mumbo-jumbo. What mattered was that their goddess became Queen of Heaven!
Elagabal- Syrian god represented by a black meteorite.
I wonder if that is the same black stone that the muslims kiss in Mecca and they just adopted the pagan rituals.
Ra was the Egyptian sun god for millennia.