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Somebody needs to go over to jail and tell Jodi that she’s in distortion and take away her bed. She wants out because she is sick and doesn’t want to be responsible for her behaviors.
Exactly and it's her attorney that's saying this is a life-threatening illness.😐 is it that this woman being held accountable, & that she just cannot withstand? So disgusting, both of them
I am a licensed therapist and Jodi makes me sick. She is dangerous and I hope she stays incarcerated for years and stripped of her license. She has to be a sociopath. I would never do anything unethical because my client's deserve to heal in a supportive and nurturing process. I feel so sad for Ruby's children as well all of Jodi's victims. This whole case makes me sick.
The neighbor that rescued R.F is my hero when he was upset and struggled to keep his composure reminds me there are good people in the world that care .
The level of control to not cause more damage to that poor boy was AMAZING! When that boy said he deserved it, I don't know how that man had enough strength and composure to say "no you didn't". Because there is no way on the planet I could have not said that. That man was/is amazing!
@@PoodleDoo212 this man kept his composure when it had to be extremely difficult while measuring what he said so as not to scare Russell , don't underestimate the difficulty that man endured because he could have easily scared him away.
As a master of social work student in utah, and as someone who has experienced trauma as a direct result of extremist Mormon beliefs, I want to say thanks to both of you for covering this with so much empathy.
Here’s a small piece of the puzzle. Ruby donated a large amount of money to the private school her kids went to . This provided cover to her. American Heritage is Mormon church affiliated. My daughter went there. At the 2018 charity auction, they were in the top tier of donations, had a special table reserved for them, and were praised several times by the principal and we were encouraged to watch their channel. There is a lot of power at the school. CEO’s were there, usually an apostle or two, community leaders, etc. It would take a significant amount of money to get this praise, as auction items that night went for close to $80,000, well over their value. When I saw the report that many times the police were called to the home, and then child services could not get a search warrant, I thought of the power she gained that night.
Has the school made any statements about the arrest and how deep their connections run with the Frankes and Jodie Hildebrandt? I would be very frightened for the children attending that school if Ruby and Jodie were active supporters. The school and staff should be investigated.
Had this experience out of state. So probably cant just blame “lds power or influence”. Lol.. Reported Non- lds neighbors for years and cps did nothing until the father went to court. Cps is a joke, takes a lot to get them to act and yes they wont act on a missed lunch or a child without a bed.
If anyone's ever questioned the sincerity and the belief in what Lauren and John are trying to do and the people they are trying to help, this is the episode to watch. I love it when they let loose and show us how deeply they feel about this. Its just so hard to believe that these horrific things are happening to children, not by strangers, but by people that are supposed to love them the most.
JH was never a good therapist or a good person and she uses her position for power. I'm a licensed clinical social worker and all this makes me sick. RF and JH are narcissistic and evil. And that's not a diagnosis in my opinion. My father definitely is narcissist. I was emotionally abused by him from my teens to 20s. I'm glad the children were not harmed any more than they were but effects of emotional abuse can be as hard or harder to "resolve" if one survives the physical abuse. I've been subject to a least 2 unethical therapist and doctors in my life. Found you through Mormon Stories.
Oh for the ❤ of PETE!! None of this is OKAY! How about taking a PARENTING CLASS?! (Not from Jodi, for Heaven sakes!!) you are JUSTIFYING YOUR ABUSIVE ACTIONS!
Sorry John & Lauren, I missed the live! (Again!) Okay, Jodi, you’re right! I’m addicted to Fully Leaded Coca Cola! I’m Addicted to General Hospital! I Guess im going to Hell! My Bishop is my Neighbor and good friend, I guess I better confess when he comes and works on our lawn next week!!
A school councillor diagnosed my daughter as a narcissist at the age of 12. I hate how our children are being labelled by non therapists at schools. Only to discover the teachers were bullying my daughter
When Ruby said her child committed SA for years during the custody hearing, it became apparent that she was so under Jodi’s spell and spouting her “therapeutic” ideas; however she epically failed her children way before Jodi. These women are sick in the head and hurting children and families and they MUST be taken off the streets. It is so apparent that Lauren and Dr. John are here to help all of us. I’ve been watching them since the Lori Vallow case, and they are amazing. Thank you for all that you do. We appreciate your time and effort so much to help us all digest these monstrosities
I’m torn about those accusations. Because on one hand she could views innocent touch or normal sexual explorations as SA. But on the other hand this boy has been twisted by his parents for years. Is there a possibility that he did act out in a bad way? Maybe. One thing I do know…we don’t tie up even predators and starve them. The Mormon culture seems to have a really bad tendency of trying to deal with sexual abuse internally though. Usually ineffectually.
@@sallycinnamon5370 I think If that would be the case,how horrible standing there and watching how ur son molested her sisters. These monster creatures so called mothers should be locked up forever
Love it. She professes the importance of truth but dyes her hair. She professes the importance of responsibility but does not take any. She professes that we can't try to control others, but she lashes out horrifically against anyone she can't control who speaks out against her. Responsibility is not the cornerstone of her beliefs, hypocrisy is.
LOL about someone saying dying your hair is dishonest. Is it slightly more honest that my highlights are grown out past my ears so obviously everyone can tell its fake?! LOL!
“Be responsible for your actions” she has a chance now to be responsible for her actions but instead she chooses to blame little ones 🧐 This is the perfect example of “all the rules apply to others but not me”-> Narcissistic Trait
Lauren, I commend you for your integrity & speaking honestly about covering crimes from the faith tradition in which you were raised- even though there are folks out there trying to pressure you to stop. I think you are brave & a great human. I was really moved by what you had to say about that in this episode.
Lauren, I wanted to send this message in support and understanding of what is & has been very clear - the reason & message intended in your efforts to offer info & conversation as we all struggle with why such crimes occur. I do not think you should ever entertain some random accusation as you have reverence for having been raised well & with the good - which is proven in your life, professionalism, and your care for all we witness. It was a sad moment to hear that any comment would upset you or compel an address - because we all do know you through your acts and deeds & do not doubt you.
I've listened to Jessi's interview on Mormon Stories Podcast. What an amazing, intelligent, beautiful, and articulate person. I pray for their continued healing and growth.
I’m so angry that the judge listened to Jody and Ruby’s statements about the children so decided that they were to be put in a home without children. I also hate that these poor children, who have no anonymity, have been accused of horrendous things and will have that over their heads for a long time.
@StinkyDustyBird I completely get your point but if you listen to her neice Interview and listen to Adam Steed Interview you will find out for years Jodi hates men .She has always accused males of SA.She also has a habit of saying people are sex addicts when their not.I can almost quarentee that RF didn't do anything.She tortured her own neice to the point of admitting to things she never did just to stop the torture.
I agree with you 100%. That hearing should have been behind closed doors. I don’t know who I am more angry with Ruby or her Attorney who knew the accusation was going to be made. Either way .. they lot of them need to be held accountable for this accusation, true or not.
@@StinkyDustyBirdit isn’t true. Jodi has a pattern of brainwashing & torturing & dehumanizing kiddoes. And locking them in rooms. Any level of the children being called “monsters” is just Jodi being the biggest monster of all. Survivors of her abuse are speaking out & none of it has to do with the actual sweet kids themselves…
Lauren I’m in my 50s. And was traumatized and sexually abused in the LDS church. My abuser was my father. He was high up in the church and it was all my fault. I have PTSD and can’t have a relationship with a man to this day. The therapist was a LDS guy that also tried things with me. It’s rampant in the Mormon church
I can't believe Jodi made so much money taking advantage of people who really needed mental help, so infuriating, and worst that the system allowed her to do it.
The Mormon Church backed her too and what I found interesting listening to her neice interview Jessi Hildbrandt that if you couldn't afford therapy The Bishop of the church would allow the church to pay for it and she was Their approved therapist.Her money mainly came from the church which obviously is how she got all her patients. She was backed by them even after all the complaints they received!
You know the way Dr. John was describing her. She sounds like a Jim Jones type of person. She's very dangerous. Who knows what this woman would go on to do if she wasn't stopped. These kinds of people get more and more delusional, believing they're some type of "savior" 😇
I have a Certificate in Child Protection as well as education degrees. One of the saddest things about abused children is that they believe they deserve the abuse. We had to look at horrific photos of abused children. One which comes to mind was a child with a burnt and blistered bottom. He had been put in a scalding hot bath. He said "I have to learn not to wet my bed, somehow". These children's statements about their abuse were heartbreaking.
OMG! Jodi reminds me so much of my mormon, controlling father, he used to tell us we were possesed by demons and beat up on us when we went against his authoritarian regime, he called us horrible names and insults, now I know he was DISTORED
My mother abused and neglected me throughout my childhood . When I began healing in therapy in my early thirties and began to make healthy boundaries with her she began seeing a " Christian counselor " who told her that I was not respecting her because I was posessed by demons. So much abuse seems to have a religious flavor to it ☹️
Finally! Someone who can explain Jodi Hildebrandt! Thank you Dr. John as always. Fascinating analysis! So glad to be part of this community where we can all live in "distortion" together. I'm with Lauren- "Proud to be Distorted." Good Grief. They are both horrible women.
This type of abuse really resonates with me growing up with my large mormon family, everything, the beatings, the mental games, the humiliations, the sexual abuse, the mental illness, the hyper-religiosity, extremist people from church sharing craziness with my Dad, all the mental illness we couldn't escape from.
First of all, I am so sorry that you had to experience those things and that your childhood growing up was full of neglect&abuse which im sure resulted in pain&sorrow. I also can't imagine how confusing that must be as a child when your abuser is your own mother or father. 2nd, I liked your comment only because there is not a button for the emotions this topic and your comment as well make me feel. But I wanted you to feel positive support for your strength in sharing your own personal trauma and experiences within a Mormon family. Thank you for sharing & I hope you are healing or healed from your past. ❤
Ruby was the perfect subject for Jodi to get her grips into. A narcissistic, yet insecure person, terrified of being judged for her children's bad behavior. A BYU professor for a husband, temple recommend holding adults, she had to have perfect kids. I started watching Ellie and Jared when they began posting for infertility. I was going thru infertility treatment at the same time they were going thru it. They ended up getting pregnant with their oldest via IVF. From Ellie and Jared each of the sisters began family vlogging too. All their channels grew from the viewership of E&J. 8 Passengers grew so fast. Of all the other family vloggers I'd seen, this woman showed everything. She seemed to need validation. Another sister Bonnie also had a few questionable punishments she showed on their vlog. The response to Bonnie from so many of us caused Bonnie to stop sharing punishment. Ruby didn't stop. She just tried to validate it. When Ruby first began vlogging, E&R did not get punished, they were preschoolers and ran the house. Ruby's sisters and her parents didn't approve, you could see their faces, tongue in cheek, when Ruby had her wild children running around. I'm certain Ruby was humiliated by what seemed to her family to be lax parenting the the outcome it was having. Ruby and Kevin began hanging out with April and Davey Orgill. April and Davey have used Jodi speak on their vlogs before, they definitely got more strict from when they first began vlogging. Chad and their oldest son Zade were good friends. After the group trip they all took to Disney World, Ruby made a vlog talking about a therapy program she was mentoring with. Then things went from more lax, to super strict. As time went on things changed from normal parenting to extreme parenting. Food being held, rooms being taken away, losing phones, for good, being sent to wilderness camp....then Ruby only posted "therapy" advice. Jodi got her grips on this woman and I'm 100% convinced that Ruby is so deeply brainwashed, she herself is going to need therapy before she understands exactly what she has done. It's no excuse, but I truly believe that Ruby is a danger to her own children, however Jodi is a danger to society, extremely, willfully and knowingly choosing to destroy people. Neither is good, however Jodi is so much more culpable and I hope her punishment and sentence shows this.
I just want to say, you’re the only person I’ve seen saying the same things I’ve been thinking. I’ve seen so many people saying she was, “bad from day one, shouldn’t have ever had kids.” I just never saw that version of her. Granted, I stopped watching her the year before Chad went to desert survival camp because consequences were starting to outweigh the behavior. But… never did I think she’d starve her kids or lock them in a basement. I started watching in 2015, when the channel was under 100,000 subs. She wouldn’t put up with “back talk” from the older kids and music lessons were a requirement… but it wasn’t downright abusive. Regardless of how many 14 year olds online thinking harp lessons are “literally traumatic.” They were a functional family at one point. I remember the funny looks from family when Ruby would let the younger two act like kids. Funny how Bonnie is now praised as the only member of the family that let’s “kids be kids” when she was the strictest of the siblings when they were all broke and trying to make money from TH-cam. I also remember when Ruby was so scared to up the grocery budget. She was having flashbacks of when Kevin was in grad school and they struggled to pay bills. She was crying because she hadn’t eaten dinner in a week. The kids were growing up, they ate more. And Ruby gave her portion to the children. She said, “I have to allocate more money on groceries. I’m tired of going hungry, it I would do anything for my children.” It still makes me tear up. Again, this was the very early days when money was still tight and she was nervous to waste a dime. … that’s not the same mom that would donate $80,000 to a private school to ensure no one rats her out because she’s starving her own children. At some point, Ruby changed. What disturbs me after learning Jodi’s brainwashing techniques is how the majority of the internet does the exact same thing. Jodi equates everything to sex addiction. From occasional porn use to sneaking a peak of someone’s rear end to actual repeat registered offenders. Being equated to a rapist because you choked your chicken makes you snap. Just like how being called a bad mom that should have her kids taken away over posting a video of bra shopping breaks your reality. Should she have posted that? No… I remember my first time bra shopping it was so confusing and embarrassing. I cried in the fitting room. But, there was a time when the videos felt like a family reunion. “Oh, they’re getting so big!” “I know! We had to go BRA SHOPPING.” (Or was that just my mom that said stuff like that?) Mormons have huge families. So the idea of 100 strangers watching your personal life probably didn’t phase them. They’re practically strangers with their own first cousins. So after years of hearing, “you’re a bad mom no matter what you do.” It definitely set the tone for Jodi to swoop in. I do agree she had narcissistic tendencies that stemmed from insecurity. I think it was partly from her childhood. She had to raise her siblings at times. I’m sure that was a lot to process once she had her own family and all the other siblings were much closer to each other than her. I can only imagine how insecure that would make someone. “I did all this work, what else could I have done??” After a while, you accept you’re the black sheep of the family. Again, making Ruby an easy target for Jodi to convince her to cut everyone off. She was always scatter brained maybe that make her insecure, too. Especially compared to her oldest, who had to keep her mom in line. I don’t think it was bad in itself. Some people are better at making lists and sticking to schedules than others. But when your ego gets jealous of your daughter… that’s a problem. This is a multi layered situation and I hate seeing it be over simplified as good vs bad people. Is Ruby bad now? Yupp. She probably needs ten years of institutionalized therapy. But to say the kids should have never been born, like some people say, is disgusting. So again, thanks for your take. I didn’t realize Jodi worked with April and Davey.
@kenanexpress2760 Who cares how long someone's post or comment is? Like actually why do people even bother taking time to care? Why do they take gleeful pride in saying something's too long, as though that's the problem, when the problem is your own patience and attention span. To be able to comment means to be able to communicate. Communication takes time. If you can read, read. If you can't, keep it to yourself and leave people alone.
@@Sanecrist Years ago, I watched a TH-cam video with Mother, Father and children and thought "Wow, in 20 years I'm going to be reading these kids biography about the hell they went through filming TH-cam with their Moms and Dads". It was uncomfortable and parents appeared that they were pumping up their children to be cute and perform. I never have watched another TH-cam with young kids and their parents. UGH
I watched Jessi tell her story on the Mormon stories and honestly I’ve never cried so much watching a live. They told their story with power it blew me away that they survived to be able to tell their truth now 🦋
Dr. John, the summary you read at the end of this video stopped me in my tracks. I am a child ab@se survivor. That summary allowed a perspective shift for me to reframe how I view my childhood. I know I didn’t deserve to be treated badly. But I’ve always wanted to understand why. Thank you for supplying part of that why.
It’s concerning that Jodi had the ‘go ahead & Protection’ from the hierarchy of a powerful church. Imagining how many families & lives she ruined is a frightening thought
and she's got that "trouble" vibe naturally. Some people just radiate that energy and it's the worst feeling when you seek help and get a provider like that.
@@shrutefarms4741 Jessi said how charismatic/convincing Jodi was. I cant imagine the lds church knew about Jodi’s damaging practices/beliefs, obviously she was a professional, she had the credentials to be a therapist . If they did know then yes they royally messed up and should be held accountable. Also, just know that the lds church does not condone abuse in any form, any member that is abusive is not living the teachings of the lds church. There are millions of members that live normal lives, that are good families, good parents/not extreme or abusive. But of course there will always be those members that are abusive but they are not following lds teachings or standards.
I find it very telling that she accused Jesse of having inappropriate relationships and she and Ruby are claiming the same about RF. Its mind blowing that the same types of abuse she subjected Jesse to she is still doing all these years later. I sure hope these kids and all her other victims get the help and healing they need. This is just heartbreaking.
That’s part of her modus operandi, it’s a pattern that she believes works in her favour. She fraudulently accuses all of her victims of being sexual deviants, addicted to masturbation, SA against others, pornography, etc…She is a man hater, she separates all the couples that she is supposed to be helping to…
Anyone else see a similarity between Jodi and Keith Raniere from NXIVM? Keith also had a side-kick, Nancy, who made his ‘teachings’ more palatable and got him a wider audience. A common saying in NVIXM was that there were no ultimate victims, so if you felt like you were a victim of something you were meant to look and see how you were ‘at cause’. This is so similar to Jodi, with her talk about distortion and responsibility. There are no victims in a perps world, because then they are never at fault for what they do.
I had a traumatic childhood and early adulthood, and in my late teens and twenties, I was very much into "alternative therapies". I got sucked into a UK cult which blamed everything on the child. I really struggled with this idea and couldn't make sense of it. I went into a pit of despair, but I came out the other side, realising the cult leader was completely wrong. A child is never responsible for the actions of an abusive adult. I decided that the "alternative therapy" world was full of mentally ill people, the misguided and those who take advantage of the vulnerable.
When Dr. John quoted, "Physician, heal thyself." I literally shouted, "AMEN!" Takin' us to church HTC! It so so so refreshing to see smart and thoughtful people on TH-cam who are educating the masses and using their power for good. PS - and Miss Lauren, you are a shining light that reminds me that not all people in UT or ID are insane. I've never been to that part of the country, but you give it a good name, so thank you for being you!
Sometimes I get so down that there aren't more people with influence who have ethics and heart... and then I come across your video! And I feel better. Thank you 🥰
Most therapists are ethical and do the right thing. They are not perfect, but the good ones are the majority. These dishonest, sick ones like Jodi are just who we hear about b/c their cases are so salacious.
Hello, I wanted to clarify, I was talking about influencers (all media personalities, really). In my experiences, you are correct about therapists. @@neilcampbell4931
HOW is Kevin not being prosecuted too?!? Seriously, he was well aware and appears on camera trying to explain away his poor parenting. And how he stayed silent during the custody hearing … that’s prime evidence of being complicit.
I’m hoping he was told by his attorney not to speak or show any emotion. I know a defense attorney who says that is what he tells all his clients. I’m trying to give him a bit of innocence tell proven guilty. I don’t know.
Kevin may have felt constrained by Jodi's power over his wife and his family. If Jodi ruined Adam Steede's reputation, she could do the same to him as well. He was either equally brainwashed or in fear of what Jodi could do to him. Either way, I'm not convinced he would be a good parent for these children.
@@annjacobs1298 he was standing by ruby long before they met jodi he abused those kids too just because he didn’t help with tying eve and russell and torturing them and starving them recently doesn’t mean his past abusive actions all of a sudden don’t exist
@@ghostface1889. Exactly! You could see it in the 8 Passengers snipits. He was promoting this type of parenting just as much as Ruby was. And this was before Jodi.
The majority of people are good and are of diverse backgrounds, religions and cultures . Unfortunately so are criminals. Love Lauren and Dr John they are two really good people in the right place at the right time doing great work 🙏🙏🙏
I have gone down this rabbit hole of Ruby and Jodi since I saw it on Andrew Gold and Cults to consciousness channels. Then Mormon stories, then your channel. This is so important to bring this out in to the open . Thank you , thank you . They are child abusers and Jodi is the worst of the worst when it comes to a therapist. I hope that the Law in Utah will put them away and away from their children and others that would’ve been harmed from her . Her own children reported her , her own niece just now came out because she was terrified of her . Horrific that they would starve and torture children 😮😮😮 so unforgivable.
Excellent episode. The similarities between Vallow and these two women is erie. The grandiose vibe coming off both groups is terrifying...that deranged certainty that they have it right truly rocks me
She can take responsibility in jail!! She infuriates me! As a chronic pain sufferer with depression. I am so glad her ship is sinking, even if is few years late☺️
There has to be a sector of LDS that truly believes these principles! These aren't the only children out there being abused. People watch your neighbors. Teachers watch your kids. I hope we can wake up and find more kids that are enduring this abuse.
When I was growing up mormon, the messages taught were that mental illness was a result of “not having enough faith”, and not being “righteous enough”. As an undiagnosed Autistic person, growing up in this wildly dysfunctional culture (on a familial and community level), this resulted in an enormous amount of trauma and suffering for me, which has taken me decades to recover from. Mormonism does very real harm. It’s not just Jodi, it’s mormonism as a whole. It’s not a hospital for the sick. It makes people sick and then sells them a faulty cure, which makes them worse.
@@Sarahwithanh444I’m so sorry you went through that. I grew up LDS as well and was taught quite the opposite of what you were. Seems there are some bad apples that do serious harm to people. I hope you find healing and happiness.
I had extensive CBT for my BPD and what Jodi is saying is absolutely untrue. Cognitive therapy was honestly a lifelong saviour for me, I was an addict at the time of starting therapy and never once did my therapist tell me it was my responsibility and my fault for the trauma. After my first few sessions I was off illegal street drugs, my prescription medication was reduced because the GP had me on so many meds at the time, and was actually prescribed a medication that was used for BPD. I’ve been on that medication consistently for the last 12 years. Jodi is the one who’s distorted 😂🙈 she absolutely 💯 exploited vulnerable people
@@JustWhatWatch Thank you, it’s called sertraline but it’s only one out of many medications tried that works for me 🤗 I haven’t had a stint in hospital since that day for BPD. 12 years and still going strong 💪🏼
I noticed something a little interesting last night and Lauren, you began to touch on it! On Dr. John's chart, I believe Jodie believes that if you are "in truth" you do not suffer from mental or physical illness. The funny thing to me is that she is trying to get out of jail due to a serious medical illness. Jodie is either "in distortion" or she is lying about a medical issue... what a piece of work!
I appreciate the way in which you cover these cases. As a member of the LDS church, I love how tactful you both are. There are extremists in every religion, and I hate hearing how people have taken something good and have warped it so awfully…and that applies to all religions. I don’t know of any religion that teaches people to harm children, take advantage of others, etc. Folks still do it…and the harmful acts and extreme beliefs need to stop. We’re all human…let’s just be kind!
I totally agree. I'm a member too and I grew up with the funnest, coolest family and I'm hoping to raise happy, healthy, loved kids. We were/are active Mormons. I hope the world knows not all of us are freaking psychos!
Thank you two again! I’m so glad I never had Jodi as a therapist! Talk about victim blaming and predatory behavior. It’s reminds me when a victim of IPV is told to just leave or someone struggling with depression to snap out of it! Damn pesky distortion everywhere.
I appreciate your exposing all evil people whether Mormon or any other religion. These evil people are not representative of the Mormon people I've known over the years. I was blown away by Bill Gothard and his type of evil. As an Evangelical Christian, I had heard of him in the 1970's, but had no idea what he was doing until Bright Shiny People was aired.
Can i just say Im HERE for the sarcasm in this video. I LOVE how you have Jodi's snakeoil salesman number. On another note, one of Franke's sisters did say that she and her sisters were starved and restrained in their childhood. She even went as far to say that it's a multigenerational behavior. She also said that her family tree from roots to leaves is BLIGHTED. I think what happened between Hildebrandt and Franke was a meeting of like minds. Hildebrandt differs from Franke in that she has a larger vocabulary but redefines words. What she means by 'responsibility' she really means submission. I believe Jodi might be a murderer. Why? Because of what she would do to her niece Jesse. Itbwas too calculating when she took her to a remote mountain and forced her to exercise in the snow and she was already looking a hair's breadth away from dying from hunger. I wonder how many runaways she would have had access to. She had inappropriate relationships with her patients which is why she changed her profession to coach.
What Dr John says about her blaming a person for their depression with his own story of dealing with it … thank you for sharing this ! I’ve dealt with since childhood too and have had people tell me it’s my fault because I’m not spiritual enough. So horrible to blame a person that is suffering.
IMHO, as an armchair psychologist, I’m apt to believe much of Jodi’s psychopathy is related to her being a closeted lesbian. I don’t think she’ll be able to properly heal until she admits this to herself and, more importantly, come out of the closet and make amends to all of the people she has abused.
I thought this since day 1 and think it’s been the driving force behind everything I’ve heard (and continue to learn) about her. I’m surprised it’s not being addressed, as it’s likely where her self-hatred stems from. I think it drives her punishing behavior towards others. I also think she was also jealous of her niece and, again, projected her self-hatred onto Jessie. And while Jodie CLEARLY breached all sorts of ethical violations, with Ruby there’s something else going on. Given their upbringing in a religion that does not approve of homosexuality, I think it’s something worth looking at in this case and yet no one seems to be talking about it.
@@BrassTacks75 Yep. I lived in San Francisco for over a decade and have MANY lesbian friends and colleagues, and my gaydar went off with Jodi before Jessi basically-sorta confirmed it. Go toward the boobies, Jodi!
@@BrassTacks75 re: Ruby… Her motivations seem much more simple: she’s self-absorbed/narcissistic and bratty/entitled. She probably should have never had any children, instead of blaming them for everything/anything that is an inconvenience to her and her pampered lifestyle.
I am just appalled that the church, which runs that state allowed this. People can say whatever they want, but facts remain there were multiple calls to CPS! Nothing was done to help these kids. Not to mention Jodi was on probation due to hippa laws that she chose to ignore. She ruined a man’s life…. His name being Adam Steed.
There is a L O N G history of the LDS Church hierarchy hiding/refusing to report abuse/neglect to law enforcement and CPS. This has received a LOT of publicity several times over MANY years. When a member shares with their Ward Leader, it is then reported to the Bishop--and that is as far as it goes. The victim is told to not discuss it with others because it would bring shame to the family and LDS Church. If the victim or the reporter wants therapy or intervention, they are referred to a therapist or even law enforcement that the Bishop "trusts" and knows will adhere to the religious beliefs of the LDS. But, the Bishop is not to report it outside of the "trusted professionals".
Her probation ended years ago. And yes the Mormon church should step in they are the laws in that state and they ignore it because it conflicts sometimes with the religion i.e spare the rod spoil the child. They don't follow separation of church and state as long as their tithing they ignore the rest.
It feels like as long as they were faithful church attending/meeting attending, calling serving people, then it is presumed that they can not be doing illegal things or harming others…… really sad.
I had a therapist that told me also that everyone was an addict. I immediately felt that that was absolutely the wrong course to help with my issues. I never went back.
I had a therapist who was recommended and paid for by my LDS bishop, who was convinced I was an addict because I smoked weed twice. I was a teenager. I'm 43 now, and I've never had substance abuse isdue
@@jennifermendoza4916 Is it just me or do others think the councilor should meet with you several times before even planning the appropriate therapy approach? It seems many of them follow one school of thought and fit the client's therapy around it instead of fitting the therapy to the needs of the client.
Powerful show. Just when you think you've heard the worst story there's another one to top it. It is so important for Hidden True Crime to continue to peel back the onion on this wretched woman. I can't imagine how many lives she has ruined. People are saying, it's not so severe because there were no deaths. If that poor boy didn't escape who knows what would've happened. Maybe she has caused deaths. Thank you Dr John and Lauren for the deep dive into this horrific story. Most of the news is just on the surface with Ruby. You both do a great job.
I went to see a psychologist when i went through something at 15. She proceeded to tell me what happened to me was my fault. Luckily i knew it wasn't but i could easily have listened to her. It messed me up for a few years though. When i reached 18 i did report her but shes still practicing now. Sad.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for covering this case. I've been obsessed, because I am deeply worried about these children and I fear they are still in peril. There may be no healthy placement available to them. The father was complicit. The entire extended family vlogs in an egregious abuse of the children's privacy. I imagine the sisters and grandparents lining up to broadcast the children's 'healing journey.' And if they don't go to family we've heard of the continued abuse visited on the Turpins in foster care. But I totally agree with Dr. John. With all the abuses and cruelty we can witness on Franke's channel, you can observe that Ruby Franke is vulnerable and extremely in need of real mental health care. Instead, she was preyed upon by Hildebrandt for her 2.3 million subscribers. Having just started some long overdue therapy myself, this story has given me pause. I was steered away from getting help by religious family members who thought it would be a stigma, but I imagine it could have been so much worse if I had entered faith-based therapy, even as a person of faith. As with any Church that would promote this kind of quackery, rather than dealing with scrutiny required for true healing, I hope they are held to account to every one of her victims.
Thank you Dr. John for your vulnerability in this video. I can feel just how impassioned and justifiably angry you are about someone in your profession who holds an ethical responsibility to their vulnerable patients who is causing such harm to them. You care and have compassion for people and their trauma and struggles. Just know how appreciated your voice is!!!!!! ❤
In looking at the similarities between the Lori and Chad Daybell’s cases -being in Distortion/being Zombies, it is true that Rudy & Jodi’s torture and abuse did not result in fatalities but I can’t help but wonder about the myriad of disorders like food addiction, PTSD, depression, anxiety and more that undoubtedly will afflict some of the kids.
No, their abuse didn’t result in any fatalities, however, I don’t think that child would have lived much longer. With the type of wounds he had, it was just a matter of time before severe infection set in and took his life. They would not have been able to take him to get treated by any medical professionals. His lacerations were so deep, they were to his bones, nobody knows what implements were used on him yet, the Police did say that they found implements that matched some of his injuries, we haven’t heard about those yet either. I have no doubt in my mind that he would have been taken out of there in a body bag. I don’t know if we will ever hear the whole story, I just pray that neither of those women sees the outside of a prison cell, at least until after those children are adults…I also pray for those children to heal from all of this, they have been treated horribly all of their lives…🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I’ve never thought merching one’s children’s lives for all to see was remotely a good idea. It’s harmful to kids who can’t consent to the constant filming, and it’s narcissistic in the extreme on the part of parents who do it. And Jodi-OMG how does she still have any kind of license? 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ She’s horrid.
At the very least the children should be paid a percentage for appearing in the youtube videos. Personally I rarely even post photos of my grown son on FB. But I am very protective.
I love how the two of you work together… Thank you for being open about who you are as individuals, the doctor dealing with depression, and your history as a news professional.
The fact that a deeply disturbed person is a mental health therapist is just mind boggling.I wonder does someone who is graduating as a therapist and before they get a licence, do they have to go under any kind of evaluation themself? Thank you Lauren and dr.John for everything you put out there.
Ohhhhhh how I love your channel! I am a member of the church and not once have I ever felt attacked or offended by anything you have said. You and your darling husband are always respectful and kind with your words. I don’t know whether or not you’re a member any longer nor does that matter. Anyone who emails or messages you being hateful or ugly I sincerely apologize. Please PLEASE PLEASE keep pointing out the wrongs and injustices of ALL regardless of what religion they are….heck I will go one further; especially members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints! Merely because no one is above the law and these injustices especially against the most vulnerable our babies need to be stopped. Please don’t let them hide these sins under their bushels any longer be that light shed upon the evil darkness my friend! By the way you and your podcasts and subjects bring my sisters (not blood sisters) and I closer. My girlfriends and I are avid listeners and then we get to get together and chat about your videos. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Lauren, never allow anyone to tell that what you are doing, or how you are doing it, is wrong for the sake of the LDS church! I was so upset when I heard this yesterday! You and Doctor John are fighting for truth and mental health and saving lives. Please never let anyone’s bias one way or another sway you! You are warriors! Keep fighting the good fight! 🌻❤️
Why do I anticipate their lawyers will claim Ruby and Jodi have mental disorders and disabilities just like Lori Vallow? So sad that the LDS church put a lot of people in Jodi's hands, so devastating, I hope more victims come out and share thier stories.
I don’t think Jodi will claim mental illness after positioning herself as the best psychologist ever and the one person in the world with all the answers.
The Morman Church should also be investigated. They brainwash people to! There is something weird & uncomfortable about that churches teachings!!!! Poor innocent children!
I appreciate Lauren's sense of humor! Thanks for lightening the mood and making this difficult material more palatable.. Also, thank you for providing this context, brings understanding to this whole situation. As a philosopher, it's always wild to hear therapists using those ideas like they invented the study of human nature.
Lauren, I was born & raised in the Weber/Davis County area & lived most of my adult life in Salt Lake County (until my family of 8 moved to East Texas 3 yrs ago). I come from a family with deep Mormon roots, even though I, myself, am a born-again Christian, & I can tell you, you’ve been so incredibly respectful in your speech towards the church that after listening to dozens & dozens of your shows, I couldn’t tell if you were still part of it or not. 🤷♀️❤️
Please do, because out of all the many, many ways I’ve witnessed people try to talk on things associated with the church (in one way or another) that doesn’t come across as offensive or lacking in humility, I’ve never seen anyone who came close to comparing to you. Your ability to objective, humble, mindful of all listeners, while being honest & to-the-point at the same time, is both a blessing from the Lord & the result of a heart of full of love & true compassion for the children. 💕
This may sound bizarre but before you even spoke I pegged you as having been raised in the cookie cutter Mormon LDS Church - a Canadian and author of In Polygamy’s Shadow, From a Mormon Childhood to a Life of Choice
@@maggierayner9408 Born in NYC, moved to Bucharest Romania, and settled in downtown Salt Lake City later as a first generation Utahan. So I wouldn’t say raised: cookie cutter. But yes-your Mormondar saw it.
Thank you. This was very interesting. I went thru many many years of therapy .. and I purged many of my inexperienced experiences without my therapist ever referring to me as a sinner. He pretty much just listened to me.. ❤
Oooh my hell…..riveting podcast tonight- just finished. Dr. John …..MIC-DROP sir; mic-FREAKING-drop w/your last quote from Luke. Not sure why that one hit me so hard, but a bucket of tears (and then some Ben & Jerry’s 😬) when you closed with that. Miss Lauren, Thank you! 🙏🏻 Thank you for sharing your ‘non-destructive’ motives about the church. Please, please hear this; That has NEVER been an intention that you have ever emoted. Ever. And I’ve not missed one episode or live. The motives you stated (so beautifully), are absolutely what shines through. Lauren & Dr. John I did my homework all day today prepping for this show; interviews w/Adam Steede and hopped on over to @mormonstories w/Jesse (both blew my freaking mind- please do an interview w/Miss Jesse; what an incredibly inspiring human) and then slid right on into tonight’s show. God bless you both, you and your family are always in our hearts, because of the work you two are doing. Keep going, it’s too damn important! 🤟🏻🙏🏻
Dr. John gives an excellent description of projection in this video. Projection can be innocent and harmless, but in this case, with a deeply psychopathic individual, like Jodi, it becomes very dangerous. She is in her 50's, and I am only imagining the damage she has done, year after year. Physician, heal thyself.
Thank you John! As someone who has been on BOTH SIDES, I went to school and have a Social Work Degree. I’ve also been on the OTHER SIDE, as a Mental Health patient, for MANY YEARS! And what Jodi has done, is DEPLORABLE!! I can see Jodi, being THAT PERSON, in the CE WORKSHOPS. IM GLAD I NEVER CAME ACROSS HER!!!!
For Dr. John: The aspect of LDS that may feed into the pathologies of personalities like Daybell and Hildebrandt is simply its keen emphasis on hierarchy and the strata of sin verses social power/perfection. I don’t believe Chad or Jodi genuinely cared about saving souls; they craved power and prestige. Ultimately, both even appeared to gain something from the torture of innocent children. And that is how we know the belief system was tertiary to the core pathology. The fact that they were Mormon isn’t incidental, but it also isn’t the *reason* for who they are and what they did.
Incredible episode y’all. I got chills with the 2 quotes Dr. John ended with and then 2:00:18 had me cracking up! I applaud y’all so much for the way y’all cover things. And I understand what Lauren was saying about her reasons for covering these things and the righteous refusal to stop being things to light. I have that same fire in myself, so I truly get it. And to Lauren directly, if she happens to read this - I want to assure you that your intentions are very clear. I don’t have to be a member of the LDS to see that; though that truly doesn’t make a difference here because I would hope anyone would understand your reasoning and intention behind covering these cases.
Glad I found your channel. I'm a retired forensic lcsw. This sounds like a really bad child maltreatment mess. All the minor. Kids Require a thorough Evaluation By A Qualified mental health And child welfare specialist.
Two sadistic narcissists found each other. I would not be surprised if they lived out their surpressed sexual fantasies through the torture of the people they "guided". They must hate themselves so much. And making so much money out of it is crazy.
This is so disturbing. I suffer from anxiety and depression and Jodi is totally off base. It really makes me worried and concerned to see a therapist for my PTSD from my past. Jodi's brainwashing is so triggering. Being brought up in the LDS faith has been so damaging to me, I thank God everyday I left that cult. Lauren and Dr. John thank you for your coverage on this. Sure love you guys.
It is very triggering. 😑 There are a lot of good therapists out there, but she does put a stain on the profession. She's a menace, she's needs to be stripped of her ability to counsel anyone.
The interview with Jessie Hilderbrant broke my heart. I cried my eyes out. I just cant imagine how alone she felt. Ruby's children were getting that same treatment. This is abuse in the first degree. Please keep this story alive.
Thank you for sharing Jessi’s interview - I just watched the whole thing, and I’m blown away at her honesty, intelligence, and strength. What a great communicator she is.
1:53:05 Exactly. I was thinking about the Inquisition too. Thank you for the great video. It is hard to stomach the horrific subject, but I love listening to your analysis.
Watched Ruby’s niece on Mormon Stories. Her Mormon parents abandoned her to Ruby and Jodi to duct tape, torture, starve, beat, confine in closet, use brain washing techniques all with the blessings of the LDS/Mormon Church’s Bishops and Top Leaders.
I’m so surprised you watched that whole podcast and came away thinking it was Ruby’s niece. Jodi’s name was mentioned a million times during the episode and also in the clips shared on this podcast. Not a suppprter of either of them but I think it’s important to have the facts right when we discuss 😊
Here's my 5 star review for you both. Love it when you team up. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🧡I hope this information is used in court to help these kids and Jessi. Hope it helps a lawyer representing them. Bless your hearts for all your work. I am personally against extremist of any religion that hurt child/young people and vulnerable adults.
I live in SLC, UT … I love where I live because of the mountains, lakes, & desert. Utah is ran by the LDS church & there is NO separation between church ⛪️ & government! I’ve heard of so many horror stories & the church will cover it up. They deal with everything within the church. A lot of things are covered up here! I discovered at a young age the legal system is BROKEN, CPS has some crooked caseworkers, & if you know elite people in the military you can make anything disappear like it never happened…
Lauren and John -Don't you ever think you are anything but pure brilliance and honesty. I am not religious (because I was raised Catholic), but exposing ANY abuser hiding behind religion makes you my HEROS! This podcast finally outs the insanity of people abusing their positions - BRAVO! Naysayers, take your ire out on the horrible, disgusting, GREEDY people gaining money and power by taking advantage of the weak. PLEASE NEVER STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING. YOU ARE SO REFRESHING AND HONEST. Don't listen to trolls or Russian bots.. you give me hope. plus you are funny! love you to death!
Much appreciation for covering this with sensitivity and finesse, ... quite a brave and difficult task. In some sense, this case is largely important in examining the whole of what is ailing our collective mindset ... Lack of presence and self-awareness that leads to the embrace of "FALSE GODS"
I’ve always found you to be extremely fair and respectful in the way you talk about the church and Mormon culture. More fair and more accurate than any other channel or page actually. So thank you so much for that. It shows integrity and professionalism.
Thankyou both for breaking this down so we can get an accurate insight into this awful case and I truly hope these two people are held accountable for hurting those children. 🇦🇺
Lauren I’m at 1:40 I’m so moved Those of us following along since day one KNOW we know you will always fight for Justice regardless of religious background yours or others. We support you and dr John and appreciate what you do. Big hugs
Wow, this is absolutely disgusting, and disturbing that these women have been able to fly under the radar until the boy managed to get out. I absolutely love Loren and Dr John, one of my top 3 favorite channels is Hidden True Crime, thank you both so much for your work in bringing these stories to us.
I guess the positives are that unlike her niece and her other victims who have likely not been believed when they have complained about her, these kids will be believed.
Thank you for this episode. I don’t care if you were a Mormon or not I’m in the UK and we don’t really have that here I don’t think. But I find that your previous knowledge of the Mormon religion in these cases are extremely helpful and thank you for all you both do! All extremists groups are dangerous in all religions or beliefs and unfortunately people think it’s that religion or belief rather than the extremist that use gods or who’s name for their own power! Xx
I really enjoy your coverage of all true crime. I am a NICU RN with over 37 years experience. I was sad to hear about Lucy Letby and leaned a lot from Dr. John's analysis of her psychological make-up. It saddens me parents are already so worried for their infants in the NICU and this will only add to their stress in the future... as it becomes a movie of the week in the USA. Thank you for covering these cases.
The thing that is so heartbreaking is the child actors from the twenties and thirties fought for laws to protect children , they have laws the kids can only be worked three hours a day have to be provided with three hours of education instruction and there money has to be accounted for but these sleazy parents have found this loophole called reality TV. I can't watch those and think if more people would stop enabling this behavior by giving these sleazy parents views these kids wouldn't need laws to protect them that the sleazy parents ! skirting these laws are disgusting folks stop watching them !
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Somebody needs to go over to jail and tell Jodi that she’s in distortion and take away her bed. She wants out because she is sick and doesn’t want to be responsible for her behaviors.
Exactly and it's her attorney that's saying this is a life-threatening illness.😐 is it that this woman being held accountable, & that she just cannot withstand? So disgusting, both of them
Don’t dish out what you want take, Jodi!
Take her food?
I agree 100% - & while they're at it, take away her food & water for as long as she's 'unrepentant!
She is not sick ..just evil
I am a licensed therapist and Jodi makes me sick. She is dangerous and I hope she stays incarcerated for years and stripped of her license. She has to be a sociopath. I would never do anything unethical because my client's deserve to heal in a supportive and nurturing process. I feel so sad for Ruby's children as well all of Jodi's victims. This whole case makes me sick.
It makes me so angry that I want the same punishments on her although I’m not pro violence. But these are sweet kids for god sake 😭
I want her to endure the same
Both deserve to be in jail for the rest of their natural lives.
Tbh I am more scared of Jodi than Ruby and that says plenty. She’s frightening. The way she manipulated Steed horrified me.
Me too!
The neighbor that rescued R.F is my hero when he was upset and struggled to keep his composure reminds me there are good people in the world that care .
Soooo agree with you! I actually think he’s not been praised enough. 🙏🏻
RF rescued himself!
The level of control to not cause more damage to that poor boy was AMAZING! When that boy said he deserved it, I don't know how that man had enough strength and composure to say "no you didn't". Because there is no way on the planet I could have not said that. That man was/is amazing!
@@PoodleDoo212 this man kept his composure when it had to be extremely difficult while measuring what he said so as not to scare Russell , don't underestimate the difficulty that man endured because he could have easily scared him away.
@@Jerry-tk7hn Absolutely he did! He was incredible! But he didn’t go into the house and physically rescue R. R escaped all by himself 😢😢🥰
As a master of social work student in utah, and as someone who has experienced trauma as a direct result of extremist Mormon beliefs, I want to say thanks to both of you for covering this with so much empathy.
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Here’s a small piece of the puzzle. Ruby donated a large amount of money to the private school her kids went to . This provided cover to her. American Heritage is Mormon church affiliated. My daughter went there. At the 2018 charity auction, they were in the top tier of donations, had a special table reserved for them, and were praised several times by the principal and we were encouraged to watch their channel. There is a lot of power at the school. CEO’s were there, usually an apostle or two, community leaders, etc. It would take a significant amount of money to get this praise, as auction items that night went for close to $80,000, well over their value. When I saw the report that many times the police were called to the home, and then child services could not get a search warrant, I thought of the power she gained that night.
Consider doing some research into the finances of the Mormon church. We're talking tens of billions of TAX FREE dollars. BTW read Hebrews 1: 1-4
@@71suns I left the church and had my records removed in 2020. I’m aware
Has the school made any statements about the arrest and how deep their connections run with the Frankes and Jodie Hildebrandt? I would be very frightened for the children attending that school if Ruby and Jodie were active supporters. The school and staff should be investigated.
Had this experience out of state. So probably cant just blame “lds power or influence”. Lol.. Reported Non- lds neighbors for years and cps did nothing until the father went to court. Cps is a joke, takes a lot to get them to act and yes they wont act on a missed lunch or a child without a bed.
Ugh this is awful they were protected from all the sides those poor children barely ever stood a chance I am so thankful THEY are alive 😢❤
The fact that Jodi claims to have worked with thousands of people is terrifying!!! So much damage spread far and wide
If anyone's ever questioned the sincerity and the belief in what Lauren and John are trying to do and the people they are trying to help, this is the episode to watch. I love it when they let loose and show us how deeply they feel about this. Its just so hard to believe that these horrific things are happening to children, not by strangers, but by people that are supposed to love them the most.
Oh, yeah. I got excited when Lauren got angry. "Get your duct Tape here!"
I just love them
JH was never a good therapist or a good person and she uses her position for power. I'm a licensed clinical social worker and all this makes me sick. RF and JH are narcissistic and evil. And that's not a diagnosis in my opinion. My father definitely is narcissist. I was emotionally abused by him from my teens to 20s. I'm glad the children were not harmed any more than they were but effects of emotional abuse can be as hard or harder to "resolve" if one survives the physical abuse. I've been subject to a least 2 unethical therapist and doctors in my life. Found you through Mormon Stories.
Oh for the ❤ of PETE!! None of this is OKAY!
How about taking a PARENTING CLASS?! (Not from Jodi, for Heaven sakes!!) you are JUSTIFYING YOUR ABUSIVE ACTIONS!
Sorry John & Lauren, I missed the live! (Again!)
Okay, Jodi, you’re right! I’m addicted to Fully Leaded Coca Cola! I’m Addicted to General Hospital! I Guess im going to Hell! My Bishop is my Neighbor and good friend, I guess I better confess when he comes and works on our lawn next week!!
A school councillor diagnosed my daughter as a narcissist at the age of 12. I hate how our children are being labelled by non therapists at schools. Only to discover the teachers were bullying my daughter
School counsellors are not necessarily qualified to diagnose. I would ask for her qualifications.
No school counselor should be diagnosing. No 12 year old can have narcissistic PD. I’m sooooo sorry.
When Ruby said her child committed SA for years during the custody hearing, it became apparent that she was so under Jodi’s spell and spouting her “therapeutic” ideas; however she epically failed her children way before Jodi. These women are sick in the head and hurting children and families and they MUST be taken off the streets. It is so apparent that Lauren and Dr. John are here to help all of us. I’ve been watching them since the Lori Vallow case, and they are amazing. Thank you for all that you do. We appreciate your time and effort so much to help us all digest these monstrosities
I’m torn about those accusations. Because on one hand she could views innocent touch or normal sexual explorations as SA.
But on the other hand this boy has been twisted by his parents for years. Is there a possibility that he did act out in a bad way? Maybe.
One thing I do know…we don’t tie up even predators and starve them.
The Mormon culture seems to have a really bad tendency of trying to deal with sexual abuse internally though. Usually ineffectually.
@@sallycinnamon5370 I think If that would be the case,how horrible standing there and watching how ur son molested her sisters. These monster creatures so called mothers should be locked up forever
@@karindellarocca8280 why j
@@karindellarocca8280 why would they have been watching?
@@sallycinnamon5370When she said that he was watching porn as a 3-year-old it was obvious BS.
Love it. She professes the importance of truth but dyes her hair. She professes the importance of responsibility but does not take any. She professes that we can't try to control others, but she lashes out horrifically against anyone she can't control who speaks out against her. Responsibility is not the cornerstone of her beliefs, hypocrisy is.
LOL about someone saying dying your hair is dishonest. Is it slightly more honest that my highlights are grown out past my ears so obviously everyone can tell its fake?! LOL!
“Be responsible for your actions” she has a chance now to be responsible for her actions but instead she chooses to blame little ones 🧐
This is the perfect example of “all the rules apply to others but not me”-> Narcissistic Trait
Isn’t that the truth ! I’m willing to bet they are both sitting in their cells unable to take an ounce of accountability.
I totally agree with you.
Yes! Nail on the head. Their ability to hold everyone accountable, but themselves is narcissistic behavior 101.
This textbook narcissist’s trait of taking zero accountability is called blame shifting. IMO both women are narcissists with sadistic tendencies.
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"That's not best practice....actually it's unthinkable." Thanks for making that distinction, John 💛👍
Lauren, I commend you for your integrity & speaking honestly about covering crimes from the faith tradition in which you were raised- even though there are folks out there trying to pressure you to stop. I think you are brave & a great human. I was really moved by what you had to say about that in this episode.
Lauren, I wanted to send this message in support and understanding of what is & has been very clear - the reason & message intended in your efforts to offer info & conversation as we all struggle with why such crimes occur. I do not think you should ever entertain some random accusation as you have reverence for having been raised well & with the good - which is proven in your life, professionalism, and your care for all we witness. It was a sad moment to hear that any comment would upset you or compel an address - because we all do know you through your acts and deeds & do not doubt you.
I've listened to Jessi's interview on Mormon Stories Podcast. What an amazing, intelligent, beautiful, and articulate person. I pray for their continued healing and growth.
I’m so angry that the judge listened to Jody and Ruby’s statements about the children so decided that they were to be put in a home without children. I also hate that these poor children, who have no anonymity, have been accused of horrendous things and will have that over their heads for a long time.
Well one, if it were true, better they did right? Also, they’re going through so much it’s probably for the best IMO
@StinkyDustyBird I completely get your point but if you listen to her neice Interview and listen to Adam Steed Interview you will find out for years Jodi hates men .She has always accused males of SA.She also has a habit of saying people are sex addicts when their not.I can almost quarentee that RF didn't do anything.She tortured her own neice to the point of admitting to things she never did just to stop the torture.
I agree with you 100%. That hearing should have been behind closed doors. I don’t know who I am more angry with Ruby or her Attorney who knew the accusation was going to be made. Either way .. they lot of them need to be held accountable for this accusation, true or not.
@@rhiannonrose4841Adam literally said when he got accused? His crime was leaving a backpack on the sofa.
@@StinkyDustyBirdit isn’t true. Jodi has a pattern of brainwashing & torturing & dehumanizing kiddoes. And locking them in rooms. Any level of the children being called “monsters” is just Jodi being the biggest monster of all. Survivors of her abuse are speaking out & none of it has to do with the actual sweet kids themselves…
Lauren I’m in my 50s. And was traumatized and sexually abused in the LDS church. My abuser was my father. He was high up in the church and it was all my fault. I have PTSD and can’t have a relationship with a man to this day. The therapist was a LDS guy that also tried things with me. It’s rampant in the Mormon church
I can't believe Jodi made so much money taking advantage of people who really needed mental help, so infuriating, and worst that the system allowed her to do it.
The Mormon Church backed her too and what I found interesting listening to her neice interview Jessi Hildbrandt that if you couldn't afford therapy The Bishop of the church would allow the church to pay for it and she was Their approved therapist.Her money mainly came from the church which obviously is how she got all her patients. She was backed by them even after all the complaints they received!
Karma has come at last. Those kids will need all of their lives to get over this x
You know the way Dr. John was describing her. She sounds like a Jim Jones type of person. She's very dangerous. Who knows what this woman would go on to do if she wasn't stopped. These kinds of people get more and more delusional, believing they're some type of "savior" 😇
@@mad7fisher …the “savior complex”.
Look up Dr. Hazzard.
I have a Certificate in Child Protection as well as education degrees. One of the saddest things about abused children is that they believe they deserve the abuse. We had to look at horrific photos of abused children. One which comes to mind was a child with a burnt and blistered bottom. He had been put in a scalding hot bath. He said "I have to learn not to wet my bed, somehow". These children's statements about their abuse were heartbreaking.
OMG! Jodi reminds me so much of my mormon, controlling father, he used to tell us we were possesed by demons and beat up on us when we went against his authoritarian regime, he called us horrible names and insults, now I know he was DISTORED
im sorry for u.. hope ur great now !
My mother abused and neglected me throughout my childhood . When I began healing in therapy in my early thirties and began to make healthy boundaries with her she began seeing a " Christian counselor " who told her that I was not respecting her because I was posessed by demons.
So much abuse seems to have a religious flavor to it ☹️
Finally! Someone who can explain Jodi Hildebrandt! Thank you Dr. John as always. Fascinating analysis! So glad to be part of this community where we can all live in "distortion" together. I'm with Lauren- "Proud to be Distorted." Good Grief. They are both horrible women.
I love his final line when he has all the pieces together. It Conrad as a crescendo.
This type of abuse really resonates with me growing up with my large mormon family, everything, the beatings, the mental games, the humiliations, the sexual abuse, the mental illness, the hyper-religiosity, extremist people from church sharing craziness with my Dad, all the mental illness we couldn't escape from.
First of all, I am so sorry that you had to experience those things and that your childhood growing up was full of neglect&abuse which im sure resulted in pain&sorrow. I also can't imagine how confusing that must be as a child when your abuser is your own mother or father.
2nd, I liked your comment only because there is not a button for the emotions this topic and your comment as well make me feel. But I wanted you to feel positive support for your strength in sharing your own personal trauma and experiences within a Mormon family. Thank you for sharing & I hope you are healing or healed from your past. ❤
@courtneywilson4939 what a nice reply. Even I felt that though it wasn't directed at me.
"all the mental illness we couldn't escape from..." I felt that in my soul. I can relate so hard.
I'm sorry 😞
Sending you a big virtual hug. Hope you find the mental health services you need to heal from this.
Ruby was the perfect subject for Jodi to get her grips into. A narcissistic, yet insecure person, terrified of being judged for her children's bad behavior. A BYU professor for a husband, temple recommend holding adults, she had to have perfect kids. I started watching Ellie and Jared when they began posting for infertility. I was going thru infertility treatment at the same time they were going thru it. They ended up getting pregnant with their oldest via IVF. From Ellie and Jared each of the sisters began family vlogging too. All their channels grew from the viewership of E&J. 8 Passengers grew so fast. Of all the other family vloggers I'd seen, this woman showed everything. She seemed to need validation. Another sister Bonnie also had a few questionable punishments she showed on their vlog. The response to Bonnie from so many of us caused Bonnie to stop sharing punishment. Ruby didn't stop. She just tried to validate it. When Ruby first began vlogging, E&R did not get punished, they were preschoolers and ran the house. Ruby's sisters and her parents didn't approve, you could see their faces, tongue in cheek, when Ruby had her wild children running around. I'm certain Ruby was humiliated by what seemed to her family to be lax parenting the the outcome it was having. Ruby and Kevin began hanging out with April and Davey Orgill. April and Davey have used Jodi speak on their vlogs before, they definitely got more strict from when they first began vlogging. Chad and their oldest son Zade were good friends. After the group trip they all took to Disney World, Ruby made a vlog talking about a therapy program she was mentoring with. Then things went from more lax, to super strict. As time went on things changed from normal parenting to extreme parenting. Food being held, rooms being taken away, losing phones, for good, being sent to wilderness camp....then Ruby only posted "therapy" advice. Jodi got her grips on this woman and I'm 100% convinced that Ruby is so deeply brainwashed, she herself is going to need therapy before she understands exactly what she has done. It's no excuse, but I truly believe that Ruby is a danger to her own children, however Jodi is a danger to society, extremely, willfully and knowingly choosing to destroy people. Neither is good, however Jodi is so much more culpable and I hope her punishment and sentence shows this.
I just want to say, you’re the only person I’ve seen saying the same things I’ve been thinking. I’ve seen so many people saying she was, “bad from day one, shouldn’t have ever had kids.” I just never saw that version of her. Granted, I stopped watching her the year before Chad went to desert survival camp because consequences were starting to outweigh the behavior. But… never did I think she’d starve her kids or lock them in a basement.
I started watching in 2015, when the channel was under 100,000 subs. She wouldn’t put up with “back talk” from the older kids and music lessons were a requirement… but it wasn’t downright abusive. Regardless of how many 14 year olds online thinking harp lessons are “literally traumatic.” They were a functional family at one point.
I remember the funny looks from family when Ruby would let the younger two act like kids. Funny how Bonnie is now praised as the only member of the family that let’s “kids be kids” when she was the strictest of the siblings when they were all broke and trying to make money from TH-cam. I also remember when Ruby was so scared to up the grocery budget. She was having flashbacks of when Kevin was in grad school and they struggled to pay bills. She was crying because she hadn’t eaten dinner in a week. The kids were growing up, they ate more. And Ruby gave her portion to the children. She said, “I have to allocate more money on groceries. I’m tired of going hungry, it I would do anything for my children.” It still makes me tear up. Again, this was the very early days when money was still tight and she was nervous to waste a dime.
… that’s not the same mom that would donate $80,000 to a private school to ensure no one rats her out because she’s starving her own children. At some point, Ruby changed.
What disturbs me after learning Jodi’s brainwashing techniques is how the majority of the internet does the exact same thing. Jodi equates everything to sex addiction. From occasional porn use to sneaking a peak of someone’s rear end to actual repeat registered offenders. Being equated to a rapist because you choked your chicken makes you snap.
Just like how being called a bad mom that should have her kids taken away over posting a video of bra shopping breaks your reality. Should she have posted that? No… I remember my first time bra shopping it was so confusing and embarrassing. I cried in the fitting room.
But, there was a time when the videos felt like a family reunion. “Oh, they’re getting so big!” “I know! We had to go BRA SHOPPING.” (Or was that just my mom that said stuff like that?) Mormons have huge families. So the idea of 100 strangers watching your personal life probably didn’t phase them. They’re practically strangers with their own first cousins.
So after years of hearing, “you’re a bad mom no matter what you do.” It definitely set the tone for Jodi to swoop in.
I do agree she had narcissistic tendencies that stemmed from insecurity. I think it was partly from her childhood. She had to raise her siblings at times. I’m sure that was a lot to process once she had her own family and all the other siblings were much closer to each other than her. I can only imagine how insecure that would make someone. “I did all this work, what else could I have done??”
After a while, you accept you’re the black sheep of the family. Again, making Ruby an easy target for Jodi to convince her to cut everyone off.
She was always scatter brained maybe that make her insecure, too. Especially compared to her oldest, who had to keep her mom in line. I don’t think it was bad in itself. Some people are better at making lists and sticking to schedules than others. But when your ego gets jealous of your daughter… that’s a problem.
This is a multi layered situation and I hate seeing it be over simplified as good vs bad people.
Is Ruby bad now? Yupp. She probably needs ten years of institutionalized therapy.
But to say the kids should have never been born, like some people say, is disgusting. So again, thanks for your take. I didn’t realize Jodi worked with April and Davey.
Congrats for the longest post I have ever seen
@@kenanexpress2760 not unique anymore. I'm getting used to them! 😆
@kenanexpress2760 Who cares how long someone's post or comment is? Like actually why do people even bother taking time to care? Why do they take gleeful pride in saying something's too long, as though that's the problem, when the problem is your own patience and attention span. To be able to comment means to be able to communicate. Communication takes time. If you can read, read. If you can't, keep it to yourself and leave people alone.
@@Sanecrist Years ago, I watched a TH-cam video with Mother, Father and children and thought "Wow, in 20 years I'm going to be reading these kids biography about the hell they went through filming TH-cam with their Moms and Dads". It was uncomfortable and parents appeared that they were pumping up their children to be cute and perform. I never have watched another TH-cam with young kids and their parents. UGH
I watched Jessi tell her story on the Mormon stories and honestly I’ve never cried so much watching a live. They told their story with power it blew me away that they survived to be able to tell their truth now 🦋
Same. Such a powerful interview, I was blown away too
Same here!!!
Dr. John, the summary you read at the end of this video stopped me in my tracks. I am a child ab@se survivor. That summary allowed a perspective shift for me to reframe how I view my childhood. I know I didn’t deserve to be treated badly. But I’ve always wanted to understand why. Thank you for supplying part of that why.
It’s concerning that Jodi had the ‘go ahead & Protection’ from the hierarchy of a powerful church. Imagining how many families & lives she ruined is a frightening thought
I bring this up every time. When we will hold LDS responsible for their spread of abusive practices.
and she's got that "trouble" vibe naturally. Some people just radiate that energy and it's the worst feeling when you seek help and get a provider like that.
@@shrutefarms4741they need to be held accountable too
@@shrutefarms4741 Jessi said how charismatic/convincing Jodi was. I cant imagine the lds church knew about Jodi’s damaging practices/beliefs, obviously she was a professional, she had the credentials to be a therapist . If they did know then yes they royally messed up and should be held accountable.
Also, just know that the lds church does not condone abuse in any form, any member that is abusive is not living the teachings of the lds church. There are millions of members that live normal lives, that are good families, good parents/not extreme or abusive. But of course there will always be those members that are abusive but they are not following lds teachings or standards.
@@shrutefarms4741 👏🏼
I find it very telling that she accused Jesse of having inappropriate relationships and she and Ruby are claiming the same about RF. Its mind blowing that the same types of abuse she subjected Jesse to she is still doing all these years later. I sure hope these kids and all her other victims get the help and healing they need. This is just heartbreaking.
That’s part of her modus operandi, it’s a pattern that she believes works in her favour. She fraudulently accuses all of her victims of being sexual deviants, addicted to masturbation, SA against others, pornography, etc…She is a man hater, she separates all the couples that she is supposed to be helping to…
Anyone else see a similarity between Jodi and Keith Raniere from NXIVM? Keith also had a side-kick, Nancy, who made his ‘teachings’ more palatable and got him a wider audience.
A common saying in NVIXM was that there were no ultimate victims, so if you felt like you were a victim of something you were meant to look and see how you were ‘at cause’.
This is so similar to Jodi, with her talk about distortion and responsibility. There are no victims in a perps world, because then they are never at fault for what they do.
I had a traumatic childhood and early adulthood, and in my late teens and twenties, I was very much into "alternative therapies". I got sucked into a UK cult which blamed everything on the child. I really struggled with this idea and couldn't make sense of it. I went into a pit of despair, but I came out the other side, realising the cult leader was completely wrong. A child is never responsible for the actions of an abusive adult. I decided that the "alternative therapy" world was full of mentally ill people, the misguided and those who take advantage of the vulnerable.
When Dr. John quoted, "Physician, heal thyself." I literally shouted, "AMEN!" Takin' us to church HTC! It so so so refreshing to see smart and thoughtful people on TH-cam who are educating the masses and using their power for good. PS - and Miss Lauren, you are a shining light that reminds me that not all people in UT or ID are insane. I've never been to that part of the country, but you give it a good name, so thank you for being you!
Our family is from Windermere Florida. Are you as well?
Since this is not the first issue, No child under 18 should be exploited by parents in any way shape or form on social media. In my humble opinion.
Sometimes I get so down that there aren't more people with influence who have ethics and heart... and then I come across your video! And I feel better. Thank you 🥰
Amen!!! Thank you #Lauren + #DrJohn
Beautifully stated and I 100% agree. Thank you Lauren and Dr John!
Most therapists are ethical and do the right thing. They are not perfect, but the good ones are the majority. These dishonest, sick ones like Jodi are just who we hear about b/c their cases are so salacious.
Hello, I wanted to clarify, I was talking about influencers (all media personalities, really). In my experiences, you are correct about therapists. @@neilcampbell4931
HOW is Kevin not being prosecuted too?!? Seriously, he was well aware and appears on camera trying to explain away his poor parenting. And how he stayed silent during the custody hearing … that’s prime evidence of being complicit.
I’m hoping he was told by his attorney not to speak or show any emotion. I know a defense attorney who says that is what he tells all his clients. I’m trying to give him a bit of innocence tell proven guilty. I don’t know.
I think he’s a coward, and wouldn’t stand up to his wife and protect his kids!
Kevin may have felt constrained by Jodi's power over his wife and his family. If Jodi ruined Adam Steede's reputation, she could do the same to him as well. He was either equally brainwashed or in fear of what Jodi could do to him. Either way, I'm not convinced he would be a good parent for these children.
@@annjacobs1298 he was standing by ruby long before they met jodi he abused those kids too just because he didn’t help with tying eve and russell and torturing them and starving them recently doesn’t mean his past abusive actions all of a sudden don’t exist
@@ghostface1889. Exactly! You could see it in the 8 Passengers snipits. He was promoting this type of parenting just as much as Ruby was. And this was before Jodi.
The majority of people are good and are of diverse backgrounds, religions and cultures . Unfortunately so are criminals. Love Lauren and Dr John they are two really good people in the right place at the right time doing great work 🙏🙏🙏
I have gone down this rabbit hole of Ruby and Jodi since I saw it on Andrew Gold and Cults to consciousness channels. Then Mormon stories, then your channel. This is so important to bring this out in to the open . Thank you , thank you . They are child abusers and Jodi is the worst of the worst when it comes to a therapist. I hope that the Law in Utah will put them away and away from their children and others that would’ve been harmed from her . Her own children reported her , her own niece just now came out because she was terrified of her . Horrific that they would starve and torture children 😮😮😮 so unforgivable.
Please allow me to give you an astounding 5 star review! love you guys!
Excellent episode. The similarities between Vallow and these two women is erie. The grandiose vibe coming off both groups is terrifying...that deranged certainty that they have it right truly rocks me
She can take responsibility in jail!! She infuriates me! As a chronic pain sufferer with depression. I am so glad her ship is sinking, even if is few years late☺️
Oh gosh ! Me too and sorry to hear you suffer chronic pain & depression too! ❤
There has to be a sector of LDS that truly believes these principles! These aren't the only children out there being abused. People watch your neighbors. Teachers watch your kids. I hope we can wake up and find more kids that are enduring this abuse.
When I was growing up mormon, the messages taught were that mental illness was a result of “not having enough faith”, and not being “righteous enough”. As an undiagnosed Autistic person, growing up in this wildly dysfunctional culture (on a familial and community level), this resulted in an enormous amount of trauma and suffering for me, which has taken me decades to recover from.
Mormonism does very real harm. It’s not just Jodi, it’s mormonism as a whole. It’s not a hospital for the sick. It makes people sick and then sells them a faulty cure, which makes them worse.
@@Sarahwithanh444I’m so sorry you went through that. I grew up LDS as well and was taught quite the opposite of what you were. Seems there are some bad apples that do serious harm to people. I hope you find healing and happiness.
the whole mormon religion is weird........... some guy , finds tablets in the woods........omg, what ever !!!!!!!! CULT
Wish i could have given Jody a no-star review.
I had extensive CBT for my BPD and what Jodi is saying is absolutely untrue. Cognitive therapy was honestly a lifelong saviour for me, I was an addict at the time of starting therapy and never once did my therapist tell me it was my responsibility and my fault for the trauma. After my first few sessions I was off illegal street drugs, my prescription medication was reduced because the GP had me on so many meds at the time, and was actually prescribed a medication that was used for BPD. I’ve been on that medication consistently for the last 12 years. Jodi is the one who’s distorted 😂🙈 she absolutely 💯 exploited vulnerable people
@terrhammond547 Congrats! 🎊Please tell me the name of the medication for BPD. Thanks 💐
Well done.
@@JustWhatWatch Thank you, it’s called sertraline but it’s only one out of many medications tried that works for me 🤗 I haven’t had a stint in hospital since that day for BPD. 12 years and still going strong 💪🏼
@@ir9567 Thank you ☺️
That's great. 🩵
I noticed something a little interesting last night and Lauren, you began to touch on it! On Dr. John's chart, I believe Jodie believes that if you are "in truth" you do not suffer from mental or physical illness. The funny thing to me is that she is trying to get out of jail due to a serious medical illness. Jodie is either "in distortion" or she is lying about a medical issue... what a piece of work!
The techniques used by Jodi is the very definition of brainwashing😊
Good point.
What did she mean an RF and EF?
Facts… my uncle used some of those techniques on me when I was a child .
@@sula1529 they are the children’s initials.
@@sharaharper2253oh ok thank you
I appreciate the way in which you cover these cases. As a member of the LDS church, I love how tactful you both are. There are extremists in every religion, and I hate hearing how people have taken something good and have warped it so awfully…and that applies to all religions. I don’t know of any religion that teaches people to harm children, take advantage of others, etc. Folks still do it…and the harmful acts and extreme beliefs need to stop. We’re all human…let’s just be kind!
The first problem with the Mormon church was supporting Jodi.
I totally agree. I'm a member too and I grew up with the funnest, coolest family and I'm hoping to raise happy, healthy, loved kids. We were/are active Mormons. I hope the world knows not all of us are freaking psychos!
Thank you two again! I’m so glad I never had Jodi as a therapist! Talk about victim blaming and predatory behavior. It’s reminds me when a victim of IPV is told to just leave or someone struggling with depression to snap out of it! Damn pesky distortion everywhere.
I appreciate your exposing all evil people whether Mormon or any other religion. These evil people are not representative of the Mormon people I've known over the years. I was blown away by Bill Gothard and his type of evil. As an Evangelical Christian, I had heard of him in the 1970's, but had no idea what he was doing until Bright Shiny People was aired.
Can i just say Im HERE for the sarcasm in this video. I LOVE how you have Jodi's snakeoil salesman number. On another note, one of Franke's sisters did say that she and her sisters were starved and restrained in their childhood. She even went as far to say that it's a multigenerational behavior. She also said that her family tree from roots to leaves is BLIGHTED. I think what happened between Hildebrandt and Franke was a meeting of like minds. Hildebrandt differs from Franke in that she has a larger vocabulary but redefines words. What she means by 'responsibility' she really means submission. I believe Jodi might be a murderer. Why? Because of what she would do to her niece Jesse. Itbwas too calculating when she took her to a remote mountain and forced her to exercise in the snow and she was already looking a hair's breadth away from dying from hunger. I wonder how many runaways she would have had access to. She had inappropriate relationships with her patients which is why she changed her profession to coach.
What Dr John says about her blaming a person for their depression with his own story of dealing with it … thank you for sharing this ! I’ve dealt with since childhood too and have had people tell me it’s my fault because I’m not spiritual enough. So horrible to blame a person that is suffering.
IMHO, as an armchair psychologist, I’m apt to believe much of Jodi’s psychopathy is related to her being a closeted lesbian. I don’t think she’ll be able to properly heal until she admits this to herself and, more importantly, come out of the closet and make amends to all of the people she has abused.
I thought this since day 1 and think it’s been the driving force behind everything I’ve heard (and continue to learn) about her. I’m surprised it’s not being addressed, as it’s likely where her self-hatred stems from. I think it drives her punishing behavior towards others. I also think she was also jealous of her niece and, again, projected her self-hatred onto Jessie. And while Jodie CLEARLY breached all sorts of ethical violations, with Ruby there’s something else going on. Given their upbringing in a religion that does not approve of homosexuality, I think it’s something worth
looking at in this case and yet no one seems to be talking about it.
@@BrassTacks75 Yep. I lived in San Francisco for over a decade and have MANY lesbian friends and colleagues, and my gaydar went off with Jodi before Jessi basically-sorta confirmed it. Go toward the boobies, Jodi!
@@BrassTacks75 re: Ruby… Her motivations seem much more simple: she’s self-absorbed/narcissistic and bratty/entitled. She probably should have never had any children, instead of blaming them for everything/anything that is an inconvenience to her and her pampered lifestyle.
First thing I thought when I looked at the two of them on the couch.
@@susanbaker3480 exactly, they look like a couple in every photo.
I am just appalled that the church, which runs that state allowed this. People can say whatever they want, but facts remain there were multiple calls to CPS! Nothing was done to help these kids. Not to mention Jodi was on probation due to hippa laws that she chose to ignore. She ruined a man’s life…. His name being Adam Steed.
Church does NOT run the State...that is so weird to say.
There is a L O N G history of the LDS Church hierarchy hiding/refusing to report abuse/neglect to law enforcement and CPS. This has received a LOT of publicity several times over MANY years. When a member shares with their Ward Leader, it is then reported to the Bishop--and that is as far as it goes. The victim is told to not discuss it with others because it would bring shame to the family and LDS Church. If the victim or the reporter wants therapy or intervention, they are referred to a therapist or even law enforcement that the Bishop "trusts" and knows will adhere to the religious beliefs of the LDS. But, the Bishop is not to report it outside of the "trusted professionals".
Her probation ended years ago. And yes the Mormon church should step in they are the laws in that state and they ignore it because it conflicts sometimes with the religion i.e spare the rod spoil the child. They don't follow separation of church and state as long as their tithing they ignore the rest.
It feels like as long as they were faithful church attending/meeting attending, calling serving people, then it is presumed that they can not be doing illegal things or harming others…… really sad.
Yep… I discovered at a young age CPS has some crooked case workers & higher ups working in the system. It’s heartbreaking!
I had a therapist that told me also that everyone was an addict. I immediately felt that that was absolutely the wrong course to help with my issues. I never went back.
I had a therapist who was recommended and paid for by my LDS bishop, who was convinced I was an addict because I smoked weed twice. I was a teenager.
I'm 43 now, and I've never had substance abuse isdue
@@jennifermendoza4916 Is it just me or do others think the councilor should meet with you several times before even planning the appropriate therapy approach? It seems many of them follow one school of thought and fit the client's therapy around it instead of fitting the therapy to the needs of the client.
Cheers for you both! You both are so strong and compassionate and I really appreciate Dr. John’s psychological insights.
Jodi says that we can't control others. So how does she think restraining children is NOT controlling others!?
Powerful show. Just when you think you've heard the worst story there's another one to top it. It is so important for Hidden True Crime to continue to peel back the onion on this wretched woman. I can't imagine how many lives she has ruined. People are saying, it's not so severe because there were no deaths. If that poor boy didn't escape who knows what would've happened. Maybe she has caused deaths. Thank you Dr John and Lauren for the deep dive into this horrific story. Most of the news is just on the surface with Ruby. You both do a great job.
On point
I went to see a psychologist when i went through something at 15. She proceeded to tell me what happened to me was my fault. Luckily i knew it wasn't but i could easily have listened to her. It messed me up for a few years though. When i reached 18 i did report her but shes still practicing now. Sad.
Was this therapist referred through LDS Leadership?
@@jeannemarie5908 Not Lds, I'm in the uk.... Catholic Church however 😂
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I wish you well and hope you enjoy the simplicities of life; and the complexities also!!
I am so sorry that happened to you holding you in my heart ♥️
I never tire of hearing Lauren introduce her Dr Babe! So much love and respect evident❤
Thank you, thank you, thank you for covering this case. I've been obsessed, because I am deeply worried about these children and I fear they are still in peril. There may be no healthy placement available to them. The father was complicit. The entire extended family vlogs in an egregious abuse of the children's privacy. I imagine the sisters and grandparents lining up to broadcast the children's 'healing journey.' And if they don't go to family we've heard of the continued abuse visited on the Turpins in foster care.
But I totally agree with Dr. John. With all the abuses and cruelty we can witness on Franke's channel, you can observe that Ruby Franke is vulnerable and extremely in need of real mental health care. Instead, she was preyed upon by Hildebrandt for her 2.3 million subscribers.
Having just started some long overdue therapy myself, this story has given me pause. I was steered away from getting help by religious family members who thought it would be a stigma, but I imagine it could have been so much worse if I had entered faith-based therapy, even as a person of faith. As with any Church that would promote this kind of quackery, rather than dealing with scrutiny required for true healing, I hope they are held to account to every one of her victims.
Thank you Dr. John for your vulnerability in this video. I can feel just how impassioned and justifiably angry you are about someone in your profession who holds an ethical responsibility to their vulnerable patients who is causing such harm to them. You care and have compassion for people and their trauma and struggles. Just know how appreciated your voice is!!!!!! ❤
In looking at the similarities between the Lori and Chad Daybell’s cases -being in Distortion/being Zombies, it is true that Rudy & Jodi’s torture and abuse did not result in fatalities but I can’t help but wonder about the myriad of disorders like food addiction, PTSD, depression, anxiety and more that undoubtedly will afflict some of the kids.
No, their abuse didn’t result in any fatalities, however, I don’t think that child would have lived much longer. With the type of wounds he had, it was just a matter of time before severe infection set in and took his life. They would not have been able to take him to get treated by any medical professionals. His lacerations were so deep, they were to his bones, nobody knows what implements were used on him yet, the Police did say that they found implements that matched some of his injuries, we haven’t heard about those yet either. I have no doubt in my mind that he would have been taken out of there in a body bag.
I don’t know if we will ever hear the whole story, I just pray that neither of those women sees the outside of a prison cell, at least until after those children are adults…I also pray for those children to heal from all of this, they have been treated horribly all of their lives…🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@janshe3597 I totally 💯 agree!
I’ve never thought merching one’s children’s lives for all to see was remotely a good idea. It’s harmful to kids who can’t consent to the constant filming, and it’s narcissistic in the extreme on the part of parents who do it. And Jodi-OMG how does she still have any kind of license? 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ She’s horrid.
At the very least the children should be paid a percentage for appearing in the youtube videos. Personally I rarely even post photos of my grown son on FB. But I am very protective.
Apparently she was on a church approved list and LDS bishops recommended her and wards could use ward funds for people couldn’t afford therapy,
So, Catholics, Mormons what other religious ‘cults’ abuse children?
Lock her up and throw away the key!
She lost her licence in 2014
Horrid is the understatement of the year, regarding this supposed therapist.
I love how the two of you work together… Thank you for being open about who you are as individuals, the doctor dealing with depression, and your history as a news professional.
Thank you both for a fantastic episode. I’ve been glued to this case all week and appreciated both of your perspectives.
The fact that a deeply disturbed person is a mental health therapist is just mind boggling.I wonder does someone who is graduating as a therapist and before they get a licence, do they have to go under any kind of evaluation themself? Thank you Lauren and dr.John for everything you put out there.
Ohhhhhh how I love your channel! I am a member of the church and not once have I ever felt attacked or offended by anything you have said. You and your darling husband are always respectful and kind with your words. I don’t know whether or not you’re a member any longer nor does that matter. Anyone who emails or messages you being hateful or ugly I sincerely apologize. Please PLEASE PLEASE keep pointing out the wrongs and injustices of ALL regardless of what religion they are….heck I will go one further; especially members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints! Merely because no one is above the law and these injustices especially against the most vulnerable our babies need to be stopped. Please don’t let them hide these sins under their bushels any longer be that light shed upon the evil darkness my friend!
By the way you and your podcasts and subjects bring my sisters (not blood sisters) and I closer. My girlfriends and I are avid listeners and then we get to get together and chat about your videos. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Lauren, never allow anyone to tell that what you are doing, or how you are doing it, is wrong for the sake of the LDS church! I was so upset when I heard this yesterday! You and Doctor John are fighting for truth and mental health and saving lives. Please never let anyone’s bias one way or another sway you! You are warriors! Keep fighting the good fight! 🌻❤️
Why do I anticipate their lawyers will claim Ruby and Jodi have mental disorders and disabilities just like Lori Vallow? So sad that the LDS church put a lot of people in Jodi's hands, so devastating, I hope more victims come out and share thier stories.
Ruby’s niece (Mormon stories)
Actually, it was Jodi’s niece, Jessi Hildebrandt. An incredible podcast worth the watch and listen. @MormonStoriesPodcast
I don’t think Jodi will claim mental illness after positioning herself as the best psychologist ever and the one person in the world with all the answers.
The Morman Church should also be investigated. They brainwash people to! There is something weird & uncomfortable about that churches teachings!!!! Poor innocent children!
Got it straight. Thanks
I appreciate Lauren's sense of humor! Thanks for lightening the mood and making this difficult material more palatable.. Also, thank you for providing this context, brings understanding to this whole situation. As a philosopher, it's always wild to hear therapists using those ideas like they invented the study of human nature.
Lauren, I was born & raised in the Weber/Davis County area & lived most of my adult life in Salt Lake County (until my family of 8 moved to East Texas 3 yrs ago).
I come from a family with deep Mormon roots, even though I, myself, am a born-again Christian, & I can tell you, you’ve been so incredibly respectful in your speech towards the church that after listening to dozens & dozens of your shows, I couldn’t tell if you were still part of it or not. 🤷♀️❤️
I don’t want people to know. I want to be objective and fair and non biased without an obvious agenda,, so I take this as a compliment.
Please do, because out of all the many, many ways I’ve witnessed people try to talk on things associated with the church (in one way or another) that doesn’t come across as offensive or lacking in humility, I’ve never seen anyone who came close to comparing to you. Your ability to objective, humble, mindful of all listeners, while being honest & to-the-point at the same time, is both a blessing from the Lord & the result of a heart of full of love & true compassion for the children. 💕
This may sound bizarre but before you even spoke I pegged you as having been raised in the cookie cutter Mormon LDS Church - a Canadian and author of In Polygamy’s Shadow, From a Mormon Childhood to a Life of Choice
@@maggierayner9408 Born in NYC, moved to Bucharest Romania, and settled in downtown Salt Lake City later as a first generation Utahan. So I wouldn’t say raised: cookie cutter.
But yes-your Mormondar saw it.
So glad to see you both!! You’re the best, love your take on all these horrid crimes
Thank you. This was very interesting. I went thru many many years of therapy .. and I purged many of my inexperienced experiences without my therapist ever referring to me as a sinner. He pretty much just listened to me.. ❤
Oooh my hell…..riveting podcast tonight- just finished. Dr. John …..MIC-DROP sir; mic-FREAKING-drop w/your last quote from Luke. Not sure why that one hit me so hard, but a bucket of tears (and then some Ben & Jerry’s 😬) when you closed with that. Miss Lauren, Thank you! 🙏🏻 Thank you for sharing your ‘non-destructive’ motives about the church. Please, please hear this; That has NEVER been an intention that you have ever emoted. Ever. And I’ve not missed one episode or live. The motives you stated (so beautifully), are absolutely what shines through. Lauren & Dr. John I did my homework all day today prepping for this show; interviews w/Adam Steede and hopped on over to @mormonstories w/Jesse (both blew my freaking mind- please do an interview w/Miss Jesse; what an incredibly inspiring human) and then slid right on into tonight’s show. God bless you both, you and your family are always in our hearts, because of the work you two are doing. Keep going, it’s too damn important! 🤟🏻🙏🏻
Just an FYI, Jessi actually uses they/them pronouns (so no Miss Jessi). ♥️
Thank you; yes I was aware; hence the reference of, ‘inspiring human’.
Dr. John gives an excellent description of projection in this video. Projection can be innocent and harmless, but in this case, with a deeply psychopathic individual, like Jodi, it becomes very dangerous. She is in her 50's, and I am only imagining the damage she has done, year after year. Physician, heal thyself.
Thank you John! As someone who has been on BOTH SIDES, I went to school and have a Social Work Degree. I’ve also been on the OTHER SIDE, as a Mental Health patient, for MANY YEARS! And what Jodi has done, is DEPLORABLE!! I can see Jodi, being THAT PERSON, in the CE WORKSHOPS. IM GLAD I NEVER CAME ACROSS HER!!!!
For Dr. John: The aspect of LDS that may feed into the pathologies of personalities like Daybell and Hildebrandt is simply its keen emphasis on hierarchy and the strata of sin verses social power/perfection. I don’t believe Chad or Jodi genuinely cared about saving souls; they craved power and prestige. Ultimately, both even appeared to gain something from the torture of innocent children. And that is how we know the belief system was tertiary to the core pathology. The fact that they were Mormon isn’t incidental, but it also isn’t the *reason* for who they are and what they did.
Incredible episode y’all. I got chills with the 2 quotes Dr. John ended with and then 2:00:18 had me cracking up!
I applaud y’all so much for the way y’all cover things. And I understand what Lauren was saying about her reasons for covering these things and the righteous refusal to stop being things to light. I have that same fire in myself, so I truly get it. And to Lauren directly, if she happens to read this - I want to assure you that your intentions are very clear. I don’t have to be a member of the LDS to see that; though that truly doesn’t make a difference here because I would hope anyone would understand your reasoning and intention behind covering these cases.
I read this. Thank you ❤
I love that you start with Jodie. The media only talk about Ruby and miss the whole dynamic of this tragedy
Glad I found your channel. I'm a retired forensic lcsw. This sounds like a really bad child maltreatment mess. All the minor. Kids Require a thorough Evaluation By A Qualified mental health And child welfare specialist.
Two sadistic narcissists found each other. I would not be surprised if they lived out their surpressed sexual fantasies through the torture of the people they "guided". They must hate themselves so much. And making so much money out of it is crazy.
It’s pretty obvious that that’s a huge part of their own and every else’s sadists distortion
From what I’ve read, narcissists have no empathy…..NO empathy.
She was very touchy feely with Ruby. She says everyone is a sex addict, she should look in the mirror.
This is so disturbing. I suffer from anxiety and depression and Jodi is totally off base. It really makes me worried and concerned to see a therapist for my PTSD from my past. Jodi's brainwashing is so triggering. Being brought up in the LDS faith has been so damaging to me, I thank God everyday I left that cult. Lauren and Dr. John thank you for your coverage on this. Sure love you guys.
Ditto from the author of In Polygamy’s Shadow, From a Mormon Childhood to a Life of Choice.
It is very triggering. 😑 There are a lot of good therapists out there, but she does put a stain on the profession. She's a menace, she's needs to be stripped of her ability to counsel anyone.
The interview with Jessie Hilderbrant broke my heart. I cried my eyes out. I just cant imagine how alone she felt. Ruby's children were getting that same treatment. This is abuse in the first degree. Please keep this story alive.
"You must work out your own salvation diligently. Do not rely on Jodi Hildebrandt." --The Buddha
You both did a great job of covering Jodi Hildebrandt. It' amazing she doesn't follow her own words. And justifies hurting people.
She promotes self responsibility but she used excessive forms of discipline on kids to “make them responsible”
The opposite of her ideas.
Thank you for sharing Jessi’s interview - I just watched the whole thing, and I’m blown away at her honesty, intelligence, and strength. What a great communicator she is.
Thank you Lauren and Dr. Matthias for all you both do to expose this extremist system that harms children 😢
1:53:05 Exactly. I was thinking about the Inquisition too. Thank you for the great video. It is hard to stomach the horrific subject, but I love listening to your analysis.
Watched Ruby’s niece on Mormon Stories. Her Mormon parents abandoned her to Ruby and Jodi to duct tape, torture, starve, beat, confine in closet, use brain washing techniques all with the blessings of the LDS/Mormon Church’s Bishops and Top Leaders.
I’m so surprised you watched that whole podcast and came away thinking it was Ruby’s niece. Jodi’s name was mentioned a million times during the episode and also in the clips shared on this podcast. Not a suppprter of either of them but I think it’s important to have the facts right when we discuss 😊
Got it!
Here's my 5 star review for you both. Love it when you team up. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🧡I hope this information is used in court to help these kids and Jessi. Hope it helps a lawyer representing them. Bless your hearts for all your work. I am personally against extremist of any religion that hurt child/young people and vulnerable adults.
I live in SLC, UT … I love where I live because of the mountains, lakes, & desert. Utah is ran by the LDS church & there is NO separation between church ⛪️ & government! I’ve heard of so many horror stories & the church will cover it up. They deal with everything within the church. A lot of things are covered up here! I discovered at a young age the legal system is BROKEN, CPS has some crooked caseworkers, & if you know elite people in the military you can make anything disappear like it never happened…
Lauren and John -Don't you ever think you are anything but pure brilliance and honesty. I am not religious (because I was raised Catholic), but exposing ANY abuser hiding behind religion makes you my HEROS! This podcast finally outs the insanity of people abusing their positions - BRAVO! Naysayers, take your ire out on the horrible, disgusting, GREEDY people gaining money and power by taking advantage of the weak.
PLEASE NEVER STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING. YOU ARE SO REFRESHING AND HONEST. Don't listen to trolls or Russian bots.. you give me hope. plus you are funny! love you to death!
Much appreciation for covering this with sensitivity and finesse, ... quite a brave and difficult task.
In some sense, this case is largely important in examining the whole of what is ailing our collective mindset ...
Lack of presence and self-awareness that leads to the embrace of "FALSE GODS"
I’ve always found you to be extremely fair and respectful in the way you talk about the church and Mormon culture. More fair and more accurate than any other channel or page actually. So thank you so much for that. It shows integrity and professionalism.
They’d some of the most professional people on this website! But I do know that Lauren is a member of the LDS.
@@lindseyhendrix2405 I don’t think it’s our place to speculate on their religious beliefs
Thankyou both for breaking this down so we can get an accurate insight into this awful case and I truly hope these two people are held accountable for hurting those children. 🇦🇺
Lauren I’m at 1:40 I’m so moved Those of us following along since day one KNOW we know you will always fight for Justice regardless of religious background yours or others. We support you and dr John and appreciate what you do. Big hugs
Wow, this is absolutely disgusting, and disturbing that these women have been able to fly under the radar until the boy managed to get out. I absolutely love Loren and Dr John, one of my top 3 favorite channels is Hidden True Crime, thank you both so much for your work in bringing these stories to us.
No news for awhile on this case, so listening again. This case is huge…it involves many more people than Jodi, Ruby and her family.
Dr. John said the children are okay. I’m sure he meant physically. Emotionally they are scarred for life.
I guess the positives are that unlike her niece and her other victims who have likely not been believed when they have complained about her, these kids will be believed.
Thank you for this episode. I don’t care if you were a Mormon or not I’m in the UK and we don’t really have that here I don’t think. But I find that your previous knowledge of the Mormon religion in these cases are extremely helpful and thank you for all you both do!
All extremists groups are dangerous in all religions or beliefs and unfortunately people think it’s that religion or belief rather than the extremist that use gods or who’s name for their own power!
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Thank you both for a fantastic analysis! This discussion felt about 10 minutes long.
Holy cow, I could’ve gone another hour easily!! 🎉✌️😂
I really enjoy your coverage of all true crime. I am a NICU RN with over 37 years experience. I was sad to hear about Lucy Letby and leaned a lot from Dr. John's analysis of her psychological make-up. It saddens me parents are already so worried for their infants in the NICU and this will only add to their stress in the future... as it becomes a movie of the week in the USA. Thank you for covering these cases.
The thing that is so heartbreaking is the child actors from the twenties and thirties fought for laws to protect children , they have laws the kids can only be worked three hours a day have to be provided with three hours of education instruction and there money has to be accounted for but these sleazy parents have found this loophole called reality TV. I can't watch those and think if more people would stop enabling this behavior by giving these sleazy parents views these kids wouldn't need laws to protect them that the sleazy parents ! skirting these laws are disgusting folks stop watching them !
Any kid in front of a camera deserves child labor laws, protection policies and a Coogan account.