2017 Honda Civic Type R vs. Subaru WRX STI -TRACK REVIEW // ONE TRACK MIND Ep. 6
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2024
- We drag race the Type R, WRX STI and the Ford Focus RS, then I review the STI and Type R on the track. At the end, Colin sets lap times in each.
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Wow a MILLION views! Thanks everyone for watching! I want to address a few things that people keep commenting on. Many of you are right about the vtec in the Type R. It does have vtec, but it doesn't operate in the way that I worded it in the video. It is used to boost torque in lower RPMs to keep smooth torque delivery as the turbo kicks in. Also, the c-diff controller in the STI only controls the centre diff, and yes as may of you have stated, you are better to leave it in "auto" mode. (Which I and Colin did do, I was only trying different things, to create more oversteer). As for the understeer in the STI, sadly this is the reality. Yes, as many of you have said, you can aggressively flick the car in and get it into a bit of a slide, but what I was demonstrating in the video, is that its NOT EASY. The Type R and the Focus RS rotate easily in stock form. Also despite what you saw in the drag race video, we did many takes and got broadly the same result. So whatever launch you saw in any of the cars, thats just the footage I chose for one reason or another. The reality is, the Focus RS wins off the line, followed by the STI, and the type R eventually pulls on the STI. That was consistent. Thanks for watching!!
Good honest review. Credible and honest. thanks
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I used to go to cayuga. With my dc2 type r . I miss the good times.
3 words, “front wheel drive”......... have fun in the winter!
Front wheel drive does ok in the winter, much better than rear wheel drive. My front drive car has plowed through snow, that has shut down the highway, near Lake Tahoe.
Got some advice for people.
1. Buy what you like
2. If you don’t like something and someone else does, let them enjoy whatever their hearts desires without getting bent out of shape
3. Each of these cars are great and whatever suits you, great.
4. Stop arguing like 13 year old about what’s better, writing paragraphs to each other
5. I own an STI and driven my buddies Type R. They are both great cars.
I love you all ✌🏼
These are the reasons I got a Stinger GT. I wanted to be different and try something extremely new
zeno ski amazing machines....all of them.
Most engines blow because of driver error. People would try to go full open throttle at 2k RPM instead of dropping a gear, rev matching and then let it rip. Then they get pissed off at the car and the manufacturer
Thank you sir. I’m now part of the subie gang too
@@LeJunny What do you think about the Stinger GT is it worth the money? does it handle well?
End of the day I think subie is better just cause of multiple changes you can make from stock but also looks better for mass appeal, Honda made that type r to resurrect the crx in my opinion of course
Evo X changes engine
People: “its not an evo, it doesn’t have the heart”
STI keeps same engine
People: “the ej25 has been around for too long”
Boxer engine
You see one of those engines was actually decent and needed no changes. The other makes some nice noise and explodes if you tickle it the wrong way.
Frank Osman it’s called personality, I know evo engines were great but I also think ej are cool in their own way too and I do not understand all the hate on it. Not everything is about how much power can you make in stock internals, it’s about how it feels stock period because that is how the manufacturers intended to feel anyways.
Jose Antonio thats like the worse excuse to justify unreliability in a car lool
godd mode performance engines should be held in a different standard of “reliability”. Some of the best performance cars are not reliable because is not their main goal, the main goal is performance. Do you want reliable but a toyota and a lexus and be happy about it.
May we have a minute of silence to remember the days of the Evo X
**bows head**
Still love the evo
Amazing grace how sweet the sound
F in the chat
What's a Evo X
The Type R is an absolute weapon. Thank you Honda!
Yeah,that's honda,aggresive style while comfort inside,just like a fierce brother..
The Power Of Dreams
Just make sure not to venture out in the wet.
Get the Megane RS, still the fastest FWD and best chassis.
@@skippylegrandgourou2069 fukn bullshit, the type r beats the shitbox megane in 0 to 60, quarter mile and top speed. Stop talking shit you delusional fanboy..
The STi obviously lost because It wasn't WR Blue...
Why do I agree with this???
agreed
Or inexperienced Subaru driver. :)
Ruben Zavala they are making it look bad to fluff the civic fan boys.....I have embarrassed every civic that gets brave. I’ll be making videos this summer
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That type R is fast in a straight line for not being a drag car.
some drivers have hit 60 in under 5 seconds in it.
@@goatzee69420 not with stock tires
This show is awesome guys I love that you guys actually consider the tuning and modifying aspect keep up the great work :)
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In terms of reliability I would take the Type R, sometimes less is more and this is a great example of how a track car with only FWD is very capable without over engineering and all the extra hardware.
It's so cool to see that Thomas is now setting the lap times for the channel. He has become such a good driver.
All of these cars does some things better than the other, but the Type R for me is overall the best
I dare you to rally on a Type R
@@arieldoech why would you rally a type R
@@arieldoech bruh your the toxic part of the car community. they literally explain which car does the best in certain styles of racing. STI kills rally but lacks reliability and flat ground tracking compared to the type r. and it takes less money to make the type r a better car especially since the engine wont be blowing that easily. just shows the sti is outdated. still a great car none the less. They all are competition but at the end of the day it is personal preference.
@@arieldoech
There it goes the toxic comment of the day
I've owned RWD (Mustang GT) FWD (Focus) and AWD (WRX) and I'll likely stick with AWD from here on out.
Dry, rain or snow my WRX is fun 365 days a year.
I don't have the luxury of being able to have 2-3 cars so having a single car that is both fun and practical all year round is very important to me.
+Snadzies yep agreed!
Exactly why subaru is so popular in areas with bad weather, my sti is a beast in the snow and fun all year
Yeah, but where's my damn hatch. Come on Subaru.
Anthony P give this man a medal please!
Until the rust kicks in
I'm a Subaru fanboy and I'm glad that STI lose.
After they made the phenomenon STI years ago, Subaru became lazy and just sit on their hand far too long.
It's normal that the other will catch up one day.
I'm hope this will wake them up and made them step up their game on the next gen STI.
judecca666 Agreed!
This shit is why I bought my GTO instead of an STI subie! Pay attention to what your audience wants!
jimmy_smith27 honestly a STI couldn’t not keep up with me swerving/speeding through traffic on a busy LA highway and I drive a 2.0i Impreza.....
Look, you say that but the reality of it is, The Type R is just a brilliant machine. It's like the Camaro. The engineering of this car just comes together so perfectly, you get an anamoly. A car that just performs better than normal.
@@tappuzzo05 your impreza is garbage compared to an sti, stop trying to feel better by saying it can't keep up
Intro was good, track testing was fun (as Always).. But conclusion was epic
Keep the great work fellas!
Thanks for an unbiased review. Awesome stuff!!
First time watching your channel, gotta say it's very professional. Love the camera work and editing quality!
this is one of the best, most well put together comparison videos in a long time. kudos.
Let’s just appreciate that all the cars that are being showcased are legendary of this generation
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This is like a more... "Amateur" Top Gear.. I LOVE it. Well spoken, beautifully filmed, and amazing quality.
Awesome job!!!
+Xerxes Billimoria thanks for watching!
Its a super generic carbon copy ripoff of motortrends head to head segment. Terrible
Crossing up hands while driving is a no no..bad habit
Why there slow
Dope channel they even have their own stig
I'm definitely subscribing!!
I love the Type R!
eww
@@elpanadani5513 ewwww back to u as well.how do u not like the civic
@@Chirock-dr5gx Richard Hammond said it best. They just never stopped designing it.
@@jackvanepps7301 but the looks r subjective
I love the Type R. I have the FK8. It baffles me how people still get hung up on it’s looks and completely disregard the awesome engineering behind the car.
Civic Type R Nurburgring time 7 minutes 43 seconds
Wrx STI Nurburgring time: 7 minutes 55 seconds
Focus RS Nurburgring time : 8 minutes 6 seconds
Golf R Nurburgring time: 8 minutes 23 seconds
Veloster N Nurburgring time: 10 seconds 1 second
OVERALL THE CIVIC TYPE R IS THE KING OF THE NURBURGRING
You're quoting a pretty inaccurate time for the Vel N. It was a lead/follow lap and there were many times you could tell he wasn't going all out, simply because he couldn't.
You’re right! The Type R with racing slicks would do that
Does it matter? It’s not like the Vel N has a chance against the Civic performance wise.
GSTRification that’s true
Fadic4 But people are saying that the veloster n is a type r killer and they both are fwd
Best review on TH-cam hands down!
Thanks for the details, Nice compare. After a test drive I fell in love with the Type-R. Its amazing. I new though Honda would have such a good come back. Good job Honda.
first time I see your work. well done, so much effort , great and valuable content ! well done! It was a good surprise
Where did you guys find Ford RS that didn't have a blown motor at the 15000 miles
Mike green my friend RS blown his motor last month for racing
😂
@@tommielif found on road dead
22 track days (3-4 sessions each event), and mine is solid as a rock. Yes, Ford f*cked up and put the wrong gasket in, but it was replaced under warranty. Meanwhile, STi/WRX guys still getting bent over by Subie because they refuse to address the ringland issue, and Type R is having tranny issues. Long story short, none of these cars are perfect...they're toys. If you want reliable transportation, buy a Camry. -But if you want entertainment, buy any of the 3 in this video.
They did fix the ringland issue. That happened for 2018 model year, keep up.
Video is produced at high quality. Great work.
That’s a fair answer at the end.
You put that together well. 👍🏾
Dude I absolutely love your review man you look like you're having a blast out there and you made me really excited for that type R and you make me think I'm going to buy one. I'm about to begin you are kind of unsure and kind of nitpicking a couple things and then suddenly like 2 minutes and suddenly it was like okay this is a good car this is a really good car!
recognized you from Grotto, to build channel this great and big needs a lot of work and time! great job! i enjoy the video very much, keep it up buddy!
Awesome comparison, great quality on the video! Love both the STI and the Type R. Subscribed
You vids are so good right now.
Yup and that's how a review is done! Chris is just the best there is!
To be honest there! I nearly left but hung in and found in the end a very balanced video. Good job!!
Great commentary and insight - subscribed. Your channel name through me initially!
The styling of the Civic is just way too subtle
all hondas are horribly designed
It must suck having a lack of taste!
@@thegoldentheory4383 only Honda I like is the s2k TBH
You’re smoking some good crack my friend
I don't know, I love it myself..
Watched it a year ago when I was driving my S2k. Came back to watch it now that I have a 2020 Type R. I love it and would pick it again over all the others.
Well done sir, looks like you got to have some fun
The Type R is so cool, totally fits what I'm looking for. Hopefully I'll be able to get one!
He won cause VTEC kicked in
+marco bonilla YO
OCD Stig I can't believe you took that serious.
Well it is the quickest car around the track out of the bunch. It killed the ring.
OCD Stig Every type r is a hero wtf you talking about
That Car Guy lol it wasn't the stock car at the ring stop it please
Underrated channel. Great video.
This channel should have a Million Subscribers - brilliant vid' Throttle House
Nice honest comparison ,I had a STI and loved it but a shoulder Injury put me out of the stick shift market because of my long commutes. I can say that the Honda does have impresive numbers but looks like a teenages wet dream not that the STI is pretty but people use to have to put that much ugly on a vehicle ,it never came stock.
Another thing to point out that is that this video was recorded at the Cayuga TMP, racetrack in Ontario, Canada. It has two LOOOONG straights that clearly gives the Focus RS an advantage - hence the laptime. If this was taken at a more balanced race track like Shannonville, the results would be different. But then again if you look at the Nurburgring laptime set by the new Type R (7:43.8) vs. the new Focus RS (8:06), the difference is also huge.
Saw 2 videos before this. I am confident in what car I am going to get. Thanks for the video.
Awesome video, keep on bringing it
Considering the ancient technology inside the STi, I'm actually VERY impressed that it's still able to keep up with the latest and greatest technology inside the RS, Type R and VW R. Very cool. The thing is, Subaru doesn't do straight line driving so they don't really mind (or care) that these other 3 cars are killing the STi on dry pavement/asphalt tracks. Carry on. Great reviews!
Type R is a masterpiece
On dry surfaces, it rains daily in Louisiana and they are about as fast as a Prius when it does.
Mark Fritscher lol i dont race any car on snow or rain, i drive my type r slow in rain bc i dont want another idiot to hit me. Ive launched in rain against a bmw 335i and all i had was some wheel hop, no loss of traction
@@MarkFritscher lmao the hyperbole is dripping off this comment. rain introduces a bit of wheel hop and that's all. lmao suggesting a bit of moisture more than doubles it's 0-60 time
@jazz platinum FWD that's as fast or faster than AWD lol
@@goatzee69420 precisely, and it’s lighter which helps
Man you guys have come a long way
Very good review! Subscribed.
great review. i will still go with type R. :). love the vtec kick in. non alike.
Sadly there's no kick in this one...
Great content man keep up the good work 👌🏻
Why does this channel not have a million subs?!?! Well done!
Loved how he summed it up at the end
I want to see a track episode where you have the Type R vs the Focus RS. I really dont care about drag time or 0-60 but an actual track race from a line and from a rolling start.
There are videos of a rolling start races between the R and RS
I mean they kinda did. They even used the same driver 4 times so no one can use "different driver, different skillset" as an excuse
They showed fastest times on track of the 3 cars, with same driver and RS was way quicker.
The RS is the superior car. This is just another one of those foreign car guys talk shit type things and then get bitch slapped buy an outdated American car. Happens regularly. That's why the Mustang sells so well now in a lot of Europe. They are starting to get it.
@@ashes2ashes863 cute, because my type r smokes the 5.0 mustang
The differential switch in the sti doesn’t “send power to the rear”, or the front. It controls the degree of slip in the center differential. So maybe one could say that with it switched all the up to “lock”, then you have 50:50 front/rear. But you can’t control how much torque goes to the front or rear.
Another good one guys!
It all comes down to what you like. I would go with the STI. I love the sound and I live in Colorado. Snow.
your inside vehicle camera made me think i was having acid flashbacks and was tripping
Totally agree with the ending. STi is slow af from factory, but with a new turboback exhaust and tune, youve just unleashed the monster. Its so much better
Til the head gasket blows. Like ford quality!
jvangeel12 That was an early 2000’s issue, you haters aren’t educated 🥱
Morpenex no it’s not moron. They still blow
@@jvangeel12 Head gaskets blow when people don't build their engines properly. The EJ257 already has a higher specific output than the V10 in the Gallardo and R8. With almost any engine making over 120 horsepower per liter, serious stuff needs to be done to it.
Another great video guys
The "You suck" jab after they hear your lap time is really funny and reminds me so much of the movie Clerks.
AWESOME !!!!!
I like that the Type R license plate has "CRX" in it
Good video. Hope you guys get the 2018 versions of the honda and of the RS. Those cars are beasts!
That's what i call driver
He doesn't struggle with steering
He rotates the steering very soft and smooth
Unlike some other famous drivers like tiff needell,who always wrestles with steering wheel,this guy is mind-connected with steering
Absolutely nice,this man is the best driver
The STI was out of it's element.
facts
He discussed it at one point. And it's also the reason he would modify (suspension) the STI: make it worse on loose surfaces, better around a track.
End of the day, the STI is a lot safer on rain, snow and sketchy surfaces; while still being race car-ish fast. Not bad.
EA M The engine needs an update as well. The EJ257 has been in use since the 2004 model year with very little change. It has proven unreliable for the duration of its run and still Subaru continues to slap it in their top of the line car and call it good. It is time for the EJ257 to either be majorly upgraded to accommodate a reliable 350+ hp in stock form or be replaced with an engine that is up to the task.
@@GyroPyro121212 Agree. But the reliability seems more like Subaru simply being cheap; which I fear they'd likely still be even with a more "modern engine" in the STI...
EA M The inherent design and harmonics of the EJ257 and the boxer in general lead to poor oiling on the top side of the piston and imperfect harmonics. The EJ207 is better because the equal length manifolds help even out exhaust pulses which helps reduce stress at the cost of boxer rumble.
Great vid! Didn't realize Canada had Top Gear.
Thomas and James remind me of the original 3 from Top Gear in a great way. They don't try an imitate them at all, but the way they deliver the information and show the cars off in comparisons feels very similar to watching the top gear track tests back in the Top Gear days!
All of the cars are interesting in their own way. I am biased towards the RS, since I have an ST as my daily (I didn't but the RS, as it is a $60,00 car all day in Ontario, even before/without dealer markups). The ST has proven to be an absolute riot almost everytime I drive it, gets reasonable fuel economy, and has been quite mechanically sound. Here in Ottawa, the ST and RS are wayyyyy less common than the others. GTI's, WRX's...they are as common as a Corolla by comparison. The type R is a badass too, but they are also big money around here.
Anyways, awesome content, awesome info, and keep doing what you guys are doing...I would say you guys are one of the fastest growing TH-cam channels for petrolheads, and you deserve it!
wow this is solid content. AutoGuide tried to do a comparison video of the same cars and it's absolute trash.
His videos remind me of the good old top gear
Like a twat you mean?
If a car is going sideways it's slow!
Nick Ito
Lpp
Too bad, Jeremy had to smack that guy in the face.
Luke Skywalker it's also not as scripted thankfully
No
Excellent show gentleman!!!
Im 13 my dad has that Honda and we love it especially me, one of my fav cars
HONDA💪💪🇯🇵🇯🇵
MY FAVORITE CAR IS CIVIC TYPE R
I LOVE CIVIC TYPE R
Please do an evo x review! I'm very curious. I live in Canada too and I absolutely want an awd car for the winter so my options are limited!
This is a great channel!
i love how you include the speedometer and dual screen for both cars when the second driver gave it a shot! awesome learning opportunity right there
Great job guys. I live in Toronto. If you see a black on black '14 GT500 or a Stealth Gray Focus RS give a wave.
CurseTheDawn quit your lying
I mean, he does look middle-aged, so there's a good chance he isn't lying.
I remember the time when comparing the predecesors of these three cars was just a joke you could tell at a car meet or something
U sir know what u are talking about have lots of knowledge ur among the few👏👏👌👍
Great review and I’m still get the RS
It's been a year did you buy it
Great video, gives a good honest comparison, would liked to see the Evo X and the Evo 9 thrown in there just for kicks
So - I just purchased STi Final Edition in WR blue. Before that, I was test driving all three of them three times each as I had hard times to decide… to cut a long story short, to me it comes down to what you want to use the car for. In my garage the STi will be a 3rd car, being used seldom on track days and more often on mountain roads, on sunny and wet days. Therefore the super sticky, real 4 - wheel drive, the frenetic brakes, the very special boxer engine layout and sound, combined with true heritage and pedigree made it for me. Shame on me, but I also think it looks best 🙃.
jogu123 Must be nice
@@sea_bass right?? I'd kill to have that as my only car lol
I agree with you being the best looking among the 3 cars, but a class action law suit for engine failure, kept me from buying a 2019 STI thats something the Subaru knew and kept building around the engine EJ 25
@Preparation H First time I'm hearing this. I keep finding stuff about engine problems for RS so that took that car out of the running for me. I google this STI problem that you mentioned and its true marking this as the first proven engine issue I've found for the STI. So far I've found no serious complaints about the Type R. If I continue finding problems with the STI then my decision will be made for me and I will be marching towards my nearest Honda dealer to have them order me a Type R built from the factory(You know.,.. to bypass those insane dealer markups! lol)
The hell is a Final Edition?
Had a BASE 718 Cayman PDK as a loaner with ONLY 300HP and raced a RS from both standing still and highway pulls from about 50mph and the base Cayman killed it EVERY TIME ! didn't seem possible from specs but yup absolutely killed it
My 2018 ra has put down every focus, civic, vw, & just Friday a nismo 370z that has flexed......this was my first wrx and my first tuner that I bought instead of built and I couldn’t be happier!!! #171 of 500
You should have called David Higgins for the Sub
It’s settled I’m getting the type r
your review and comments along with seemingly non bias statements got a sub.
great video mate👍
The new Evo without the all wheel drive.. As a G37 owner I still prefer the Evo
I wish everyone who down votes a video had to explain why... Disagreeing with someone on their point of view isn't a good reason to down vote a video. You may not agree but that doesn't invalidate the work put into it.
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Old school vtec was on the intake side to allow in more air. But thanks to the turbo thats not needed, so the vtec is on the exhaust side to aid in removing the exhaust gasses, allowing for greater turbo efficiency
Good shit yall do the best track reviews, looks like yall have the most fun, yall actually love n like to drive theses cars nd try yall best to have fun thru the hole video. Thanks nd keep up with the awesome videos. Nd if it's not too much to ask 4 if yall could try and do a ac cobra vs boss 302 vs jaguar project 8 vs alfa romeo stelvio quadrifoglio track test that would be fucking awesome nd grate views 💪🏽👏🏽 keep up the grate work yall
dealers will kill the type r like they did the RS. Dealers marked up the hell out of the rs and people stayed away and ford thinks no one wants the car because they are sitting on lots. SO ford decides to end the RS line but its not because people didn't want them its because people didn't want them for 10grand over msrp
memphis407 they are actually at the end of the production of the current global focus, wait and see, there will be a new one when the next production focus comes out. Every one I saw was under msrp so don't know where you're looking but. I can agree I saw a lot sitting bc price wise you can buy a mustang gt cheaper...
memphis407 I think dealers are starting to realize that no one is gonna pay that much for a civic. The ones on Autotrader are now going for 37-38k and I saw one for 40k. Still above msrp but that's expected
memphis407 except for the idiots who are Honda fanboys are willing to pay those high prices for the R type.
Greg Guerra I'm a honda fanboy and would never pay that for a glorified civic. I would pay like 35g tops...
Not true.
You have to agree, that ford focus rs is an amazing bang for buck
Unfortunately, Ford will no longer be building Focus. But you can still contact your local dealer about availability and check out our other vehicles that might be perfect for you and your family.
Oops
I really love the filter you used
This video basically told me to look into finding a decent focus rs since it has the best of both worlds with 45 more hp