Great overview! So glad both the pad and quilt were covered. When folks ask me about my quilt or have complaints about theirs, their pads are usually the culprit. Now that R values are being standardized, I hope quilt makers start referencing their temp statements along with the pad’s R value they tested it on. It might have been a bit too nuanced for your video, but two other quilt features that can make a meaningful difference are cut and baffle design. Catenary cut quilts can wrap more closely around the body (and sometimes aided with internal shock cords). Trapezoidal footboxes allow more room for feet without compressing down. Differential cut keeps insulation lofted even when moving around or sleeping at funny angles.
I got a UGQ Bandit with a footbox that can open completely and I love it. So far, all my backpacking that I have ever done is in Arkansas. We can have days in December and January that dip below freezing, but could also be as warm as 50° for an overnight low. Having the ability to open the quilt up and basically turn it into a big blanket makes it super versatile.
I move around too much and always used my sleeping bag as a quilt anyway. Transitioning to a quilt was awesome and then I had no zippers and hoods in the way. As you say, the sleeping pad is crucial. I lost some ounces by going with a quilt but gained some ounces getting a better R value pad. No weight difference in carrying, but definitely a more restful nights sleep for me and that’s invaluable outdoors.
Love the video! Laughing cause the quilt eliminates the mummy bag claustrophobia but then I need to strap myself onto the pad.... Like a human burrito -, just saying
@@Hikebike365 You can still roll around while the quilt stays in place over you with the use of the straps and helps keep you or any limbs from falling off your pad. I'd still prefer a mummy in sub 20 temps though.
Great video! I have a 20 degree Enlightened Equipment synthetic quilt and it’s one of my favorite pieces of gear. I’ve tested it down to 18 degrees on the Appalachian Trail and slept toasty warm! I use the Nemo Tensor with it and together they’re a fantastic system!
My first night with my quilt I was chilly with draughts and the second night I strapped the sides almost so they were touching eachother, so there was only about a few inches acrossed the mat I was directly sleeping on. It was colder night outside with frost and I was sweating. I absolutely love it now and so glad I ditched my sleeping bag.
To me the only difference when sleeping in a sleeping bag or one of the new quilt's could be considered mostly physiological. It's not that much different then having the compressed material ( loss of insulation ) under you in a closed sleeping bag. . A long time ago before I got my quilts I would just unzip my sleeping bag and use it as a quilt..I replace the bags with quilts and haven't missed the bags at all. Camping with hammocks the quilt's have made getting in and out of the hammock a lot simpler , easier and less of a exercise. In the hammock when it gets cold I just tuck it in along the sides or my mattress and stay warm. I use a full length mummy style self inflating Therm-a-Rest 1/2 to 3/4 inflated. This way is forms to my body and the Hammock.
When I think about a quilt, I think about a rectangle shape. I have several quilts I use for use in the outdoors. I also use them on my beds at home. By building in a foot box, you have eliminated the diversity of carrying a quilt. In effect you have nothing more than a mummy bag with no underside. The draft problem is easy to eliminate by putting the insulated pad and the quilt inside your 16 oz Bivy Bag. Everything is contained and drafts are eliminated. Your sleep system should also include the sleeper's bed time base layer to move moisture away from the body. For cold weather that would be Your Naji suite of Long sleeve wool or poly top and bottoms, wool socks and 15oz down hoodie. The quilt needs a bag liner of alpaca or poly hollow fill fiber to serve the same purpose as the mid layer used for dressing for the trail. Since the whole system is enclosed within the Bivy bag the warm air is trapped and the body vapor can pass through the bivy to escape and keep you warm and dry. My first quilt was a winter bag my wife opened down one side and across the bottom and sewed a nylon sheet to the bag creating a quilt eliminating the draft . It has been in my inventory since the early 1970's. When not outdoors it is on the guest bed.
I actually just got my new Clark Nx-270 Hammock, and new quilt in today. Gonna spend the night out in the rain tonight in the backyard and give it a test.
Another great video! I sleep super warm so I enjoy the occasional breeze to help me cool down. That being said I have tried a quilt yet, but I do tend to unzip my sleeping bag and use it like one.
I prefer the strap system Cedar Ridge Outdoors uses on their quilts. They have small hooks on the quilt itself that catch onto the shock cord you slide over your pad. It's way less fussy and cumbersome to manage when nature calls at 3:00 in the morning. They make incredibly well built quilts too. Tip: use a buff as a draft collar.
Awesome review! I think you were spot on with your suggestions! Your demo was also very informative. As always thanks for taking the time to share your experiences with us! Rick from Virginia
I believe the pad's insulation layer provides a reflective material for avoiding radiation heat loss not conduction which is surface to surface heat transfer
If you inflatable sleeping pad in not insulated, buy a roll of 24 inch wide roll of Reflectix from Lowes to put under it. Packs much smaller and weights less than a folding sleeping pad.
Well said bud! Wish I would have started using a quilt years ago., but I was afraid of drafts. After I started using one, drafts weren't that bad if I used the pad straps right.
Awesome video! I'm looking at the UGQ Bandit but because I'm a cold sleeper, I'm hesitant. I love being able to slide down into my mummy bag when it's cold.
Nice presentation and very helpful info. This gave me some good guidance and will help as I continue my research to buy a quilt. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Nice overview. I bought a quilt from a prior video you did. My experience in cold weather is that I’m significantly warmer with my ccf pad on top of my self-inflating pad. Thanks for sharing.
Great info! I've been wondering about a quilt vs. bag, mostly looking to downsize/save weight. The strap idea to keep in place is perfect. Thanks for sharing.
I’m pretty sure my body produces ZERO heat when still 🙈 My sleeping pad has an R-value of 4.7 and my sleeping bag a comfort temperature of -10C, but at 0-2C I am shivering 🥶 My body is sooo impractical for sleeping outside 😜 Putting a dog in the sleeping bag usually warms it up though 🐶
Natalie Up North here’s something to consider. What are you eating before bed? Food high in calories will definitely help and is another piece of the puzzle.
Backcountry Exposure I always eat and drink lots. It’s due to a medical issue so not much to do other than put a dog/hot water bottle in the sleeping bag and carry unnecessarily warm gear 🤷♀️
Great info Devin! I don't think you can stress the sleep pad enough. I think the quilt comfort rating is based on using a pad with an R value over 4.5??? My 20 degree quilt and R value 3.5 pad will not keep me comfortable to 20-30 degrees. Using the closed cell pad for extra pad insulation is a great tip - you can also use that pad during the day for your 'butt pad'.
MidLife Adventures nice to have a butt pad. I have a 1/8” closed cell foam pad I wrapped in tyvek that is use as a back panel for my frames less pack, put it under my sleeping pad, and sit on it. Multi use!
Am i just out of touch or old? Just wondering, when i was in the military and i slept in snow in Fairbanks. We just used pine needles under tent or leaves during the non snow times. (Tadpole tent from REI that we tested for northface in the 90s in winter and summer conditions). I am( 60 and out of shape) trying out camping again to slowly get healthy again) so i just bought a tent and a pad which to me cost me an arm and leg at just about $250. Bought a klymit and mongar tent. And now just looking at quilt or old style military issue quilt blanket if they still make them. I have a marine rucksack that someone gave me so that's heavy, so that is why im going light on other things. Going to try to find a place in San Diego where there are no people and hike and camp for 3 days to a week. I use to hump or snowshoe with 45 lbs plus or minus for miles, but i know I'm no where in that shape now. So top roman nuts, hot chocolate and coffee for me this first time out. Camera equipment or phone, still deciding. So are the things I use to do obsolete? Will i look dumb if i meet someone in the woods? ( Not sure that matters ☺️). Any advice will help an old guy like me. Thanks for anything you can advise on. ✌🏼🦁
I hate mummy bags and hoods. UGH! I need to try a quilt, because that's how I end up trying to use my bags anyway. I wish someone made a quilt-pad hybrid, all in one.
I can’t recommend UGQ enough. They upgraded my quilt during this quarantine and wouldn’t charge me because they were shut down and that caused a delay. I’m still trying to figure out a way to pay them.
Ben Boudry obviously really similar, but you are potentially saving a bunch of weight not having all the extra fabric and zippers. Potentially meaning that sometimes quilts don’t save weight depending on what you get.
Ok...pad straps. Thank you for being the ONLY youtuber I've seen to demonstrate pad straps. I've heard quilters say they use down booties and a down beanie to make up for the open foot box or lack of hood. Then I've been told to be careful of tossing and turning, you loosen the quilt and drafts will get in. Now you talk about adding an extra layer of insulation under the pad. "Make sure your quilt is wide enough..." In what way is a quilt better than a sleeping bag????
Tina Couturier using a pad that’s warm enough is required whether you’re using a bag, or quilt. Devin was just showing how to raise the r value by combining pads rather than buying a new expensive one. It’s not specific to quilts. You have to buy the right sized bag or quilt. Most bags come in women’s, reg and long. Quilts come in widths and lengths measured in inches. Using the wrong size is a problem with both. The advantage of a quilt is (usually) lighter weight for equal warmth, less constricting, more customizable, and more versatile temperature range than a sleeping bag. The disadvantage is it takes a little more knowledge and preparation to use it comfortably. Especially, when you get near the temperature limit. They both have their place, and which is better for you depends on which features you value.
I'm so glad you raised this. My gut instinct is that the quilt is the solution to a problem that doesn't really exist. I get the concept that crushed insulation underneath your no longer traps the air needed to provided the insulation but I fail to see how an open backed quilt solves anything. You're no longer have a material barrier between your body and your mat which is a strange sensation and a quilt will always allow draughts to draw heat away from your body by convection. I'm sticking with my rectangular sleeping bag
Tina Couturier I use the same pad as Devin along with an EE Revelation 30, and then a Sea to Summit sleeping bag liner when it gets a bit colder. That is plenty for me down to 25ish. Aside from the weight savings, a quilt is much better when it warms up and you can stick a leg out easier to cool off, or just open up the foot box. Just more versatile in my opinion. I can’t stand mummy bags and I’ve never felt restricted in a quilt.
Not having a zipper I'd end up kicking it all off, end up freezing, and getting tangled in those straps!🤣🤣 The small foot box would make me feel claustrophobic. I get the idea. And if it works for y'all that is so wonderful! I have different sleeping bags for different seasons. And I get extra wide ones so I have room to move. And I just have one inexpensive, generic inflatable sleeping pad. I don't hike light by any means 🤣🤣🤣 Question. For hammock sleeping, why not just sleep in a bag with the zipper facing up? That way you don't have to have a special, insulated sleeping pad to use with a quilt? (unless it's REALLY cold I guess, then an insulated pad would come in handy anyway). I'm still new to hiking so the info is appreciated 🙂
@@khaskin18 for hammocks it's even more critical to have proper insulation under you (pad or underquilt) because of the free flowing air below you. You can use sleeping bags in hammocks it's just easier to get in/out with a quilt, and the draft issues are a LOT less prominent in a hammock
Just a tip, you dont get better r-value by putting the close cell foam pad on the bottom of an air pad (depend on the insulation) because the order goes like this: (sleeping pad insulation - air - close cell foam insulation), but you do get better r-value if you put the close cell foam on top getting this order (close cell foam insulation - sleeping pad insulation - air). Edit note: Whit self-inflatable pads the orden dosnt matter.
Artys A. Blackwood I don’t know that that is factual. From what I’ve read and seen, the order doesn’t matter. Both orders will accomplish the same effect. If you have something to share that says otherwise I’d actually love to see the testing behind it. Thanks for watching!
@@BackcountryExposure Physics + personal snow camping testing. Talking about conduction heat loss, you are correct, no diference at all, BUT, If you get a mid layer of air (insulation-air-insulation) the sides of that sandwich will have no insulation so you gona get convection heat loss of that mid air layer before the bottom insulation layer. To test this just try a non-insulated sleeping pad whit a close cell foam on the bottom, and then on the top, if possible in snow, the diference is cristal clear.
Except the closed cell pad keeps the air mattress from getting punctures from the ground. Way more important IMO than the questionable order of insulation.
I really cannot grasp why we have different names for quilts and sleeping bags. You can unzip a sleeping bag, turn it over and use it just like a quilt. Im not sure we need a seperate category for something just because you took off the zipper. Quilts are basically unfinished sleeping bags.
I am not really seeing too many differences. My mummy bag unzips down the side just like the quilt you showed. It has zipped vents that I can stick my feet out of. It does have the head insulation as you stated and is a little less roomy but outside of that I don't see any differences. Maybe I am missing something. I guess you are pointing out that with a quilt you can use it like a blanket and not have anything underneath you, I am just not sure why anyone would want that.
The insulation of a sleeping bag that is beneath you is wasted, as it is compressed to nothing by body weight. Quilts are significantly lighter because of getting rid of fabric and insulation beneath you, hood, zipper, and zipper draft baffle. I have both regular mummy bags and quilts, and use the one that fits my trip conditions the best. Don't think I'm ready to use a quilt at -30F yet, but as a restless side/stomach sleeper, I do sleep better when using a quilt than my mummy bags.
Great video! Have you ever experienced condenasation on the lower surface of your nemo tensor insulated pad as it often happens to me? the part in touch with ground somehow get wet. thanks
So, explain again. What is so great about quilts? That's all I seem to hear, quilt this, quilt that. Why is a "quilt" better than a "sleeping bag"? It seemed like you spent a lot of time trying to get the quilt work like a bag. Strapping the sides down so you don't get draughts, toggling it closed around around your neck. Then you said about wearing a beanie hat if worried about your head getting cold. A sleeping bag provides all the answers to those problems. I've been using a mummy bag for years. If and when I get too warm or want a bit more wriggle room I undo the zip and use it "quilt" style. My usual bag has a centre top open/closure zip which makes it ideal for using quilt style. But even when using other bags with side zips it's easy enough to use them "qulit" style. Totally agree about sleep mats though. Quilt or bag a good insulated mat makes all the difference. Each to his own and all that but I'll be sticking with bags. Peace
I think the main reasons come down to price and weight. Typically a quilt can be around 25%-50% cheaper than a down bag with the same temp rating. Also about the same percentage saved in weight. So for budgeters and gram counters it's ideal. A 0 degree down quilt will weigh only 30ish ozs compared to a heavier bag. Personally, living in chilly Canada I prefer a bag to make sure I stay warm, plus if the pad gets faulty and deflates in the night I'm not stranded with a quilt that has no bottom insulation. I also move around a lot in my sleep so I would probably flip myself out of a quilt somehow lol
The trouble with using a sleeping bag as a quilt, assuming you have one with a wide enough foot box and a 3/4 length or more zip, is that everything is at an awkward angle, like the hood. It’s also wider and therefore heavier than it needs to be as it is designed to encircle your body, not to simply cover you.
I have been thinking of getting a quilt for a while, what is your opinion on quilts like the EE convert? best of both worlds or just dead weight? any advice is welcome!
do you recommend a tapered quilt? I like leg room but I do tend to get cold easily. I am also 5'10" tall and have wide shoulders. UGQ bandit has a 72' and a 78" length. What would you recommend.
I like the tapered option to save some weight and not have unnecessary extra fabric, mostly because I never intend to open up my quilts like a blanket. For 5’10” I’d suggest to just go for the 78”, and make sure you do 55” on the width. The Dynamic Tension Control system is smart too.
@@BackcountryExposure I measured around 34" on my side and they say to add about 4 to 6 inches to that on the UGQ site. They have a 60" width and a 65" width. You recommend the 60"?
Or, you can use a sleeping bag. Look at all the things that had to be done to make a quilt work like a sleeping bag: better sleeping pad or a supplemental sleeping pad, straps to hold it in place, snaps around the neck, wear a cap, all to make it harder to get out when you need to use a tree. On the plus side, it is more expensive.
True, but they are generally lighter/pack smaller and for those that find sleeping bags uncomfortable and/or side or stomach sleepers who find the hood gets in the way they can be a good option and they are easier to avoid overheating when using in warmer weather, making them arguably more versatile. That does not make them 'better' but they are reasons that some may prefer them. Can't argue with the cost element though. Horses for courses.
@@PKWeaver74 If I used a hammock, I would probably go with a quilt. I think that's what they were originally designed for. Unfortunately, I ride a motorcycle, and I don't always know what the terrain will be when I have to stop for the night. A hammock isn't always going to be an option. I really don't see any advantage to the quilt. On a warm night, I will pull about half my sleeping bag out of its stuff sack and drape it over me. As it gets cooler, I'll pull out more of the bag. If it gets cold, I'll climb inside and zip it to what's comfortable. I rarely have everything closed up like you see in pictures, but I can do it if I need to. I am an active sleeper. I roll inside my sleeping bag, just as I would under a quilt. I'm also not saying one is better than the other. Your needs may vary. I am saying the differences are not as dramatic as we may be led to believe.
Great, informative video man! I did end up purchasing a topquilt before understanding comfort v.s. survival rating and lets just say... a 30 degree didn't really keep me warm down to mid-40s.
@@BackcountryExposure well funny thing is; I thought I did, but since the new R-value test came out for manufacturers, I read that mine in particular went from 4.4 all the way down to around 1.8! (Klymit has since removed the updated ratings) So it could have also been that factor as well, but I will give this quilt a good wash with Nikwax, and try to loft it up more and try it out with my Neoair Xlite. Hopefully that works!
Articus, the xlite should hopefully help out. If you bought the quilt from a cottage gear maker, most of them also offer the option to send it in for more down fill (“overstuffing”). Many quilt baffle designs can add up to 5 degrees F of warmth with more down loft and it has the added benefit of having less down shift.
@@jpriddle the xlite is so much warmer than my previous pad! I ended up purchasing a quilt from HammockGear instead and it works much better, and the fabrics are a lot nicer to the touch as well!
It's an insulation and vapor barrier from the housing construction. Can be used as insulation in sleeping systems, for pot coozies, and I make insulation covers for Nalgene bottles in the winter. Easy to find at Lowes or Home Depot
Basically: a quilt is only worth it if you wanna carry 6 pounds of sleeping pads... great. I wish i watched this video before i spent 150 bucks on this trash😭
So many variables....If it's "cold", I sleep in my extra gear so cold air infiltration is not that big a deal. By the way, I use my WM Summerlite as a quilt; no pad straps. Just takes a little practice to keep it tucked around my body. I just got too claustrophobic in my old age to sleep in that "coffin". Makes getting up to pee a lot easier and I am already dressed for the trek to the pottie.
This setup does not wrap the quilt around the pad as some do. The pad cords attach to the pad and then the quilt is attached to the toggles on the cord. Which is better if there is such a thing?
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Great overview! So glad both the pad and quilt were covered. When folks ask me about my quilt or have complaints about theirs, their pads are usually the culprit. Now that R values are being standardized, I hope quilt makers start referencing their temp statements along with the pad’s R value they tested it on.
It might have been a bit too nuanced for your video, but two other quilt features that can make a meaningful difference are cut and baffle design. Catenary cut quilts can wrap more closely around the body (and sometimes aided with internal shock cords). Trapezoidal footboxes allow more room for feet without compressing down. Differential cut keeps insulation lofted even when moving around or sleeping at funny angles.
I got a UGQ Bandit with a footbox that can open completely and I love it. So far, all my backpacking that I have ever done is in Arkansas. We can have days in December and January that dip below freezing, but could also be as warm as 50° for an overnight low. Having the ability to open the quilt up and basically turn it into a big blanket makes it super versatile.
I move around too much and always used my sleeping bag as a quilt anyway. Transitioning to a quilt was awesome and then I had no zippers and hoods in the way. As you say, the sleeping pad is crucial. I lost some ounces by going with a quilt but gained some ounces getting a better R value pad. No weight difference in carrying, but definitely a more restful nights sleep for me and that’s invaluable outdoors.
Love the video! Laughing cause the quilt eliminates the mummy bag claustrophobia but then I need to strap myself onto the pad.... Like a human burrito -, just saying
Exactly!! Is it really less claustrophobic being strapped to the pad???
@@Hikebike365 You can still roll around while the quilt stays in place over you with the use of the straps and helps keep you or any limbs from falling off your pad. I'd still prefer a mummy in sub 20 temps though.
Great video! I have a 20 degree Enlightened Equipment synthetic quilt and it’s one of my favorite pieces of gear. I’ve tested it down to 18 degrees on the Appalachian Trail and slept toasty warm! I use the Nemo Tensor with it and together they’re a fantastic system!
My first night with my quilt I was chilly with draughts and the second night I strapped the sides almost so they were touching eachother, so there was only about a few inches acrossed the mat I was directly sleeping on. It was colder night outside with frost and I was sweating. I absolutely love it now and so glad I ditched my sleeping bag.
The way I use a quilt is simply as an additional element along with my bag, and something mobile around a fire before bed.
To me the only difference when sleeping in a sleeping bag or one of the new quilt's could be considered mostly physiological. It's not that much different then having the compressed material ( loss of insulation ) under you in a closed sleeping bag. . A long time ago before I got my quilts I would just unzip my sleeping bag and use it as a quilt..I replace the bags with quilts and haven't missed the bags at all. Camping with hammocks the quilt's have made getting in and out of the hammock a lot simpler , easier and less of a exercise.
In the hammock when it gets cold I just tuck it in along the sides or my mattress and stay warm. I use a full length mummy style self inflating Therm-a-Rest 1/2 to 3/4 inflated. This way is forms to my body and the Hammock.
Chuck Littleton thanks for sharing Chuck!
Great job. I am amazed at how many quilt owners don't know about straps or have them but don't use them! Excellent topic!😎😎
Just received my first top quilt. Nice vidoe covering the topic. Will be testing mine and see if like better then a mummy
camp planet camping blanket is also very good!!!!!
When I think about a quilt, I think about a rectangle shape. I have several quilts I use for use in the outdoors. I also use them on my beds at home. By building in a foot box, you have eliminated the diversity of carrying a quilt. In effect you have nothing more than a mummy bag with no underside. The draft problem is easy to eliminate by putting the insulated pad and the quilt inside your 16 oz Bivy Bag. Everything is contained and drafts are eliminated. Your sleep system should also include the sleeper's bed time base layer to move moisture away from the body. For cold weather that would be Your Naji suite of Long sleeve wool or poly top and bottoms, wool socks and 15oz down hoodie. The quilt needs a bag liner of alpaca or poly hollow fill fiber to serve the same purpose as the mid layer used for dressing for the trail. Since the whole system is enclosed within the Bivy bag the warm air is trapped and the body vapor can pass through the bivy to escape and keep you warm and dry. My first quilt was a winter bag my wife opened down one side and across the bottom and sewed a nylon sheet to the bag creating a quilt eliminating the draft . It has been in my inventory since the early 1970's. When not outdoors it is on the guest bed.
Good stuff to know. I use a hammock in spring/summer and a tent in fall/winter. person.
Erobin Outdoors right on, thanks!
I actually just got my new Clark Nx-270 Hammock, and new quilt in today. Gonna spend the night out in the rain tonight in the backyard and give it a test.
Ericsidolmind heck yeah!
Another great video! I sleep super warm so I enjoy the occasional breeze to help me cool down. That being said I have tried a quilt yet, but I do tend to unzip my sleeping bag and use it like one.
David Corbett thanks! Give it a try, you may find them your new outdoor love, ha ha.
love my UGQ quilt. got is ordered 6 inch longer than longest size so i can pull it over my head. Im 6'3
I bought the zero degree revelation quilt, I’m like a warm cinnamon bun when I sleep 😴
I prefer the strap system Cedar Ridge Outdoors uses on their quilts. They have small hooks on the quilt itself that catch onto the shock cord you slide over your pad. It's way less fussy and cumbersome to manage when nature calls at 3:00 in the morning. They make incredibly well built quilts too.
Tip: use a buff as a draft collar.
Awesome review! I think you were spot on with your suggestions! Your demo was also very informative. As always thanks for taking the time to share your experiences with us!
Rick from Virginia
Rick From Virginia thank you Rick! You know me, always trying to share helpful info.
Thank you
I believe the pad's insulation layer provides a reflective material for avoiding radiation heat loss not conduction which is surface to surface heat transfer
But this was very informative since I couldn't figure out an easy way to get in to the quilt with it tied to the pad and the neck synched up
If you inflatable sleeping pad in not insulated, buy a roll of 24 inch wide roll of Reflectix from Lowes to put under it. Packs much smaller and weights less than a folding sleeping pad.
Well said bud! Wish I would have started using a quilt years ago., but I was afraid of drafts. After I started using one, drafts weren't that bad if I used the pad straps right.
I still love my sleeping bags, but quilts have their place and I love my quilts. Acceptable to have two lovers?! 😂
Great tips. Quilts changed my sleeping experience. I like the closed foot box on the bandit.
The Backpack Blazer 👊🏻 you’ve been using quilts for some time haven’t you?
@@BackcountryExposure Four years now and haven't looked back.
Definitely going to look at a quilt for this summer. Especially since I have the good pad. Nice video man!!
Haggard Wilderness go UGQ!!! Hope you’re well man!
Awesome video! I'm looking at the UGQ Bandit but because I'm a cold sleeper, I'm hesitant. I love being able to slide down into my mummy bag when it's cold.
Great informational video Devin, one of the best I've seen on sleeping with a quilt. 👍
Patriot / Kenneth Burlingham appreciate that! 👊🏻
Nice presentation and very helpful info. This gave me some good guidance and will help as I continue my research to buy a quilt. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Nice overview. I bought a quilt from a prior video you did. My experience in cold weather is that I’m significantly warmer with my ccf pad on top of my self-inflating pad. Thanks for sharing.
Adam Affholter thank you!
Great educational video! Simply broken down with clear steps.
Journey on the Trail thank you!
Awesome video and knowledge 👍
Great info! I've been wondering about a quilt vs. bag, mostly looking to downsize/save weight. The strap idea to keep in place is perfect. Thanks for sharing.
Slone's Wilderness Expeditions give it a try! Thanks!
Very smart and informative vid !!!!
I’m pretty sure my body produces ZERO heat when still 🙈 My sleeping pad has an R-value of 4.7 and my sleeping bag a comfort temperature of -10C, but at 0-2C I am shivering 🥶 My body is sooo impractical for sleeping outside 😜 Putting a dog in the sleeping bag usually warms it up though 🐶
Natalie Up North here’s something to consider. What are you eating before bed? Food high in calories will definitely help and is another piece of the puzzle.
Natalie Up North Clearly you are dead.
Uncle DIm yupp that’s the case 😂
Backcountry Exposure I always eat and drink lots. It’s due to a medical issue so not much to do other than put a dog/hot water bottle in the sleeping bag and carry unnecessarily warm gear 🤷♀️
@@natalieberg2102 Also check your thyroid FT4 Hormone. THats my case.
And suggestions on staying cooler during summer months? I'm in SWFL and am nervous about overheating..
Good video. I just started using quilts and I am still figuring them out. I saw a few things you did in the video that I am going to try.
Joe Seago right on!
Great info Devin! I don't think you can stress the sleep pad enough. I think the quilt comfort rating is based on using a pad with an R value over 4.5??? My 20 degree quilt and R value 3.5 pad will not keep me comfortable to 20-30 degrees. Using the closed cell pad for extra pad insulation is a great tip - you can also use that pad during the day for your 'butt pad'.
MidLife Adventures nice to have a butt pad. I have a 1/8” closed cell foam pad I wrapped in tyvek that is use as a back panel for my frames less pack, put it under my sleeping pad, and sit on it. Multi use!
Am i just out of touch or old?
Just wondering, when i was in the military and i slept in snow in Fairbanks.
We just used pine needles under tent or leaves during the non snow times. (Tadpole tent from REI that we tested for northface in the 90s in winter and summer conditions).
I am( 60 and out of shape) trying out camping again to slowly get healthy again) so i just bought a tent and a pad which to me cost me an arm and leg at just about $250.
Bought a klymit and mongar tent.
And now just looking at quilt or old style military issue quilt blanket if they still make them.
I have a marine rucksack that someone gave me so that's heavy, so that is why im going light on other things.
Going to try to find a place in San Diego where there are no people and hike and camp for 3 days to a week.
I use to hump or snowshoe with 45 lbs plus or minus for miles, but i know I'm no where in that shape now. So top roman nuts, hot chocolate and coffee for me this first time out.
Camera equipment or phone, still deciding.
So are the things I use to do obsolete? Will i look dumb if i meet someone in the woods? ( Not sure that matters ☺️).
Any advice will help an old guy like me.
Thanks for anything you can advise on.
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Should you not put that extra pad Silver Side Up to reflect your heat back to you?
I hate mummy bags and hoods. UGH! I need to try a quilt, because that's how I end up trying to use my bags anyway. I wish someone made a quilt-pad hybrid, all in one.
I love your videos and appreciate your solos advice!
IowaHiker thank you, glad you enjoyed it.
Never Devin!!! lol. Great video.
I can’t recommend UGQ enough. They upgraded my quilt during this quarantine and wouldn’t charge me because they were shut down and that caused a delay. I’m still trying to figure out a way to pay them.
Uncle DIm love this! Some amazing people running that company.
Idk after the pad straps and the snap by your neck seems the same as a mummy bag
Ben Boudry obviously really similar, but you are potentially saving a bunch of weight not having all the extra fabric and zippers. Potentially meaning that sometimes quilts don’t save weight depending on what you get.
Ok...pad straps. Thank you for being the ONLY youtuber I've seen to demonstrate pad straps. I've heard quilters say they use down booties and a down beanie to make up for the open foot box or lack of hood. Then I've been told to be careful of tossing and turning, you loosen the quilt and drafts will get in. Now you talk about adding an extra layer of insulation under the pad. "Make sure your quilt is wide enough..." In what way is a quilt better than a sleeping bag????
Tina Couturier using a pad that’s warm enough is required whether you’re using a bag, or quilt. Devin was just showing how to raise the r value by combining pads rather than buying a new expensive one. It’s not specific to quilts.
You have to buy the right sized bag or quilt. Most bags come in women’s, reg and long. Quilts come in widths and lengths measured in inches. Using the wrong size is a problem with both.
The advantage of a quilt is (usually) lighter weight for equal warmth, less constricting, more customizable, and more versatile temperature range than a sleeping bag.
The disadvantage is it takes a little more knowledge and preparation to use it comfortably. Especially, when you get near the temperature limit.
They both have their place, and which is better for you depends on which features you value.
I'm so glad you raised this. My gut instinct is that the quilt is the solution to a problem that doesn't really exist. I get the concept that crushed insulation underneath your no longer traps the air needed to provided the insulation but I fail to see how an open backed quilt solves anything. You're no longer have a material barrier between your body and your mat which is a strange sensation and a quilt will always allow draughts to draw heat away from your body by convection. I'm sticking with my rectangular sleeping bag
Tina Couturier I use the same pad as Devin along with an EE Revelation 30, and then a Sea to Summit sleeping bag liner when it gets a bit colder. That is plenty for me down to 25ish. Aside from the weight savings, a quilt is much better when it warms up and you can stick a leg out easier to cool off, or just open up the foot box. Just more versatile in my opinion. I can’t stand mummy bags and I’ve never felt restricted in a quilt.
Not having a zipper I'd end up kicking it all off, end up freezing, and getting tangled in those straps!🤣🤣
The small foot box would make me feel claustrophobic.
I get the idea. And if it works for y'all that is so wonderful!
I have different sleeping bags for different seasons. And I get extra wide ones so I have room to move.
And I just have one inexpensive, generic inflatable sleeping pad. I don't hike light by any means 🤣🤣🤣
Question. For hammock sleeping, why not just sleep in a bag with the zipper facing up? That way you don't have to have a special, insulated sleeping pad to use with a quilt? (unless it's REALLY cold I guess, then an insulated pad would come in handy anyway).
I'm still new to hiking so the info is appreciated 🙂
@@khaskin18 for hammocks it's even more critical to have proper insulation under you (pad or underquilt) because of the free flowing air below you. You can use sleeping bags in hammocks it's just easier to get in/out with a quilt, and the draft issues are a LOT less prominent in a hammock
Just get a mummy bag.....it can also be used like a quilt.
Just a tip, you dont get better r-value by putting the close cell foam pad on the bottom of an air pad (depend on the insulation) because the order goes like this: (sleeping pad insulation - air - close cell foam insulation), but you do get better r-value if you put the close cell foam on top getting this order (close cell foam insulation - sleeping pad insulation - air).
Edit note: Whit self-inflatable pads the orden dosnt matter.
Artys A. Blackwood I don’t know that that is factual. From what I’ve read and seen, the order doesn’t matter. Both orders will accomplish the same effect. If you have something to share that says otherwise I’d actually love to see the testing behind it. Thanks for watching!
@@BackcountryExposure Physics + personal snow camping testing.
Talking about conduction heat loss, you are correct, no diference at all, BUT, If you get a mid layer of air (insulation-air-insulation) the sides of that sandwich will have no insulation so you gona get convection heat loss of that mid air layer before the bottom insulation layer.
To test this just try a non-insulated sleeping pad whit a close cell foam on the bottom, and then on the top, if possible in snow, the diference is cristal clear.
Except the closed cell pad keeps the air mattress from getting punctures from the ground. Way more important IMO than the questionable order of insulation.
I really cannot grasp why we have different names for quilts and sleeping bags. You can unzip a sleeping bag, turn it over and use it just like a quilt. Im not sure we need a seperate category for something just because you took off the zipper. Quilts are basically unfinished sleeping bags.
Nice bunch of tips, thanks! May I ask you what tent is the one you have there?
Adopanci A it’s the Zerogram Thru Hiker 1P. Thanks!
I am not really seeing too many differences. My mummy bag unzips down the side just like the quilt you showed. It has zipped vents that I can stick my feet out of. It does have the head insulation as you stated and is a little less roomy but outside of that I don't see any differences. Maybe I am missing something. I guess you are pointing out that with a quilt you can use it like a blanket and not have anything underneath you, I am just not sure why anyone would want that.
The insulation of a sleeping bag that is beneath you is wasted, as it is compressed to nothing by body weight. Quilts are significantly lighter because of getting rid of fabric and insulation beneath you, hood, zipper, and zipper draft baffle. I have both regular mummy bags and quilts, and use the one that fits my trip conditions the best. Don't think I'm ready to use a quilt at -30F yet, but as a restless side/stomach sleeper, I do sleep better when using a quilt than my mummy bags.
Do you also strap the closed cell pad and air pad together or just the air pad
Great video! Have you ever experienced condenasation on the lower surface of your nemo tensor insulated pad as it often happens to me? the part in touch with ground somehow get wet. thanks
Canyou provide a link for purchasing those pad straps?
So, explain again. What is so great about quilts? That's all I seem to hear, quilt this, quilt that. Why is a "quilt" better than a "sleeping bag"? It seemed like you spent a lot of time trying to get the quilt work like a bag. Strapping the sides down so you don't get draughts, toggling it closed around around your neck. Then you said about wearing a beanie hat if worried about your head getting cold. A sleeping bag provides all the answers to those problems. I've been using a mummy bag for years. If and when I get too warm or want a bit more wriggle room I undo the zip and use it "quilt" style. My usual bag has a centre top open/closure zip which makes it ideal for using quilt style. But even when using other bags with side zips it's easy enough to use them "qulit" style. Totally agree about sleep mats though. Quilt or bag a good insulated mat makes all the difference. Each to his own and all that but I'll be sticking with bags. Peace
I think the main reasons come down to price and weight. Typically a quilt can be around 25%-50% cheaper than a down bag with the same temp rating. Also about the same percentage saved in weight. So for budgeters and gram counters it's ideal. A 0 degree down quilt will weigh only 30ish ozs compared to a heavier bag. Personally, living in chilly Canada I prefer a bag to make sure I stay warm, plus if the pad gets faulty and deflates in the night I'm not stranded with a quilt that has no bottom insulation. I also move around a lot in my sleep so I would probably flip myself out of a quilt somehow lol
The trouble with using a sleeping bag as a quilt, assuming you have one with a wide enough foot box and a 3/4 length or more zip, is that everything is at an awkward angle, like the hood. It’s also wider and therefore heavier than it needs to be as it is designed to encircle your body, not to simply cover you.
I have been thinking of getting a quilt for a while, what is your opinion on quilts like the EE convert? best of both worlds or just dead weight? any advice is welcome!
Great info! Thanks. Curious what the width on your UGQ is? I have a bandit and am about your size but have issues with drafts. Any tips?
The one in the video is 55” wide. I’ve found a 20” pad to be best for quilts. And really dialing in your pad straps will make a huge difference
Nice overview Devin. What tent is that?
Joe Shanks texted you
do you recommend a tapered quilt? I like leg room but I do tend to get cold easily. I am also 5'10" tall and have wide shoulders. UGQ bandit has a 72' and a 78" length. What would you recommend.
I like the tapered option to save some weight and not have unnecessary extra fabric, mostly because I never intend to open up my quilts like a blanket. For 5’10” I’d suggest to just go for the 78”, and make sure you do 55” on the width. The Dynamic Tension Control system is smart too.
@@BackcountryExposure I measured around 34" on my side and they say to add about 4 to 6 inches to that on the UGQ site. They have a 60" width and a 65" width. You recommend the 60"?
Or, you can use a sleeping bag. Look at all the things that had to be done to make a quilt work like a sleeping bag: better sleeping pad or a supplemental sleeping pad, straps to hold it in place, snaps around the neck, wear a cap, all to make it harder to get out when you need to use a tree. On the plus side, it is more expensive.
True, but they are generally lighter/pack smaller and for those that find sleeping bags uncomfortable and/or side or stomach sleepers who find the hood gets in the way they can be a good option and they are easier to avoid overheating when using in warmer weather, making them arguably more versatile.
That does not make them 'better' but they are reasons that some may prefer them.
Can't argue with the cost element though.
Horses for courses.
@@PKWeaver74 If I used a hammock, I would probably go with a quilt. I think that's what they were originally designed for. Unfortunately, I ride a motorcycle, and I don't always know what the terrain will be when I have to stop for the night. A hammock isn't always going to be an option.
I really don't see any advantage to the quilt. On a warm night, I will pull about half my sleeping bag out of its stuff sack and drape it over me. As it gets cooler, I'll pull out more of the bag. If it gets cold, I'll climb inside and zip it to what's comfortable. I rarely have everything closed up like you see in pictures, but I can do it if I need to. I am an active sleeper. I roll inside my sleeping bag, just as I would under a quilt.
I'm also not saying one is better than the other. Your needs may vary. I am saying the differences are not as dramatic as we may be led to believe.
How long do you have to wait for your UGQ bandit quilt order? Thank you!
Check the lead times on their website .
Who the same hill could sleep so restrictively
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What backpack is that?
Great, informative video man! I did end up purchasing a topquilt before understanding comfort v.s. survival rating and lets just say... a 30 degree didn't really keep me warm down to mid-40s.
Articus did you have a good pad with it? That’s the kicker for a lot of people.
@@BackcountryExposure well funny thing is; I thought I did, but since the new R-value test came out for manufacturers, I read that mine in particular went from 4.4 all the way down to around 1.8! (Klymit has since removed the updated ratings) So it could have also been that factor as well, but I will give this quilt a good wash with Nikwax, and try to loft it up more and try it out with my Neoair Xlite. Hopefully that works!
Articus, the xlite should hopefully help out. If you bought the quilt from a cottage gear maker, most of them also offer the option to send it in for more down fill (“overstuffing”). Many quilt baffle designs can add up to 5 degrees F of warmth with more down loft and it has the added benefit of having less down shift.
@@jpriddle the xlite is so much warmer than my previous pad! I ended up purchasing a quilt from HammockGear instead and it works much better, and the fabrics are a lot nicer to the touch as well!
What is the ground cloth you use in the video?
Eagle One it’s the footprint for the tent behind me, which is the Zerogram Thru Hiker 1P.
ok, thankyou
To get TONS of insulation, stay home in your heated house!
What tent in the back?
Zerogram Thru Hiker 1P
What’s the tent behinds you?
Zero Gram tent - Thru-Hiker 1P
喬治野郞 yeah it’s the Zerogram Thru Hiker 1P.
A quilt is apparently an unzipped mummy bag?
WHAT IS THAT TENT? :)
Zerogram Thru Hiker 1P. It’s a rad tent!
What is this word Reflectix? Do you intend to say the word Reflective?
Reflectix is a material such as Mylar that is used in sleeping pads.
It's an insulation and vapor barrier from the housing construction. Can be used as insulation in sleeping systems, for pot coozies, and I make insulation covers for Nalgene bottles in the winter. Easy to find at Lowes or Home Depot
Seems like when you're cold and hands numb dealing with pad straps and trying to connect etc could become a challenge.
What are the dimensions of your quilt here? I ordered a UGQ 20degree a few weeks ago. I selected a 55inch by 78 inch, draw cord style.
This is a 55”x72”. I am 5’9”.
There's no such thing as "pushing cold back" just as light does not "push darkness back"
Okay, technicalities aside, the point was made. :)
None of his gear looks like it has ever been used.
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Basically: a quilt is only worth it if you wanna carry 6 pounds of sleeping pads... great. I wish i watched this video before i spent 150 bucks on this trash😭
What did you buy? You shouldn’t need 6 pounds in pads. Just a properly insulated pad.
So many variables....If it's "cold", I sleep in my extra gear so cold air infiltration is not that big a deal. By the way, I use my WM Summerlite as a quilt; no pad straps. Just takes a little practice to keep it tucked around my body. I just got too claustrophobic in my old age to sleep in that "coffin". Makes getting up to pee a lot easier and I am already dressed for the trek to the pottie.
This setup does not wrap the quilt around the pad as some do. The pad cords attach to the pad and then the quilt is attached to the toggles on the cord. Which is better if there is such a thing?