@@JustinOutdoors 10 grand to 100 grand to a cool mil. You just watch. Your voice is hypnotic and your knowledge is just about unparalleled in this genre. Keep it up brother. It'll happen. I mentioned this before: I see that most of the big names in backpack vlogs have done a major through hike. Have you any plans for a big 1000-2000 mile hike in the future? Could be a tipping point for you :D
@@JustinOutdoors Just going through some old vids of yours and look: 30,000+ subs already!! AND on your big CDT hike! Things are gonna change for you, sir.
That was the best quilt review ever. I’ve been a quilt user for the last three years and you’ve taught me things no one else even bothered to discuss. Thank you!👍
DUAL CAM! Seriously bro your delivery, concise-ness (is that even a word), and value in all your recent vids has been crazy top notch! Good job! Keep it up... and as always... keep looking shexshy.... I mean... keep moving forward! Here's hoping this is the year I switch to a quilt!
Justin Outdoors I did. Having received an EE 30* last summer, I realized I needed a warmer quilt. I ordered a katabatic flex 22 and got it this week. Haven’t had a chance to use it yet. I got lucky and think I made a good choice.
Great review, thanks. I use a 20 degree Zpacks 7 D and my dog uses a 10 degree 10 D EE. Neither of us use pad straps. If it’s going to get cold, say below 30 I wear my MountBell down pants. I will be taking them on my thru hike of the Colorado Trail. My dog Maggie gets into her quilt and I rap it all around her. I got her a 10 degree because I think she is a bit of cold sleeper. We had some issues before I upped her sleep system and she would end up in my quilt.
Wow, you did an awesome job on describing what a quilt is! I actually feel like I learned something from watching this video! I think you missed your calling, you would be an excellent teacher or instructor! I definitely made a good decision to subscribe to your channel! And what I noticed is your videos keep getting better! As always thanks for the awesome videos you produce! Rick from Virginia
Very helpful video for a first-timer quilter (like me)! There are so many variables to think about and it was great to hit on all of them, even if 10 seems overwhelming. I was leaning towards a zippered footbox for the versatility but I'm also in the US Rockies and realistically will likely never use the quilt open. I'm still researching but excited to purchase a quilt for next season.
I've been committed to only using sleeping bags for the majority of my time as a backpacker, but I've been gaining an interest in quilts and it's overwhelming. I appreciate you taking the time to make a thorough explainer.
Thanks Justin, man you really know your quilt, thanks for the help needed some information about quilts and you certainly gave me a lot of good inputs to make up my mind.
Legit ... 4 days ago I went to order my first quilts for my son and I when I was stopped dead in my tracks on the Enlightened Equipment website by all of the discussed options here. This video is fantastic! The questions I had are being answered here and hopefully with these being answered it will lead to a new set of questions that I am completely ignorant even exist at this point. Good stuff, much appreciated.
Perfect video on quilts honestly, covered every component I had questions about and then some. Can't stand sleeping bags and just picked up an EE custom after watching. Can't wait!
Thank you! I had so many questions when I was looking at ordering a quilt today. You answered them all and I now know which one is right for me now. Love your videos!
For anyone looking for another brand, I ended up ordering from Warbonnet Outdoors. Price wise they were between HG and UGQ, but offered all the same options (and more) as UGQ. Very happy with the quality and warmth so far, hoping to take it into winter with me.
This is the most useful quilt video i found on YT ! loved your comparison vid on neoair, sts and nemo pads too. As a consumer paralysed for choice and too lazy too do in depth research, these vids are exactly what i needed. THANK YOU and i look forward to more educational videos!
DUDE!! That was an excellent and comprehensive video, much appreciated ay. My old down mummy bag made me cold last week at 2 degrees c, so I wanna upgrade, and quilts seem the be a great new idea, and I’am glad there’s an option to customise as I find bags to be too long or too short.
Great video. Sure will help people. I think EE learned a lesson, as did a lot of customers, in that the minimum mathematical amount of down required isn't enough (hence that overstuff many manufacturers use). Another advantage of bumping up an extra ounce or two of down is wind resistance. That thicker density down will keep the wind from cutting through or robbing the quilt of warmth (if you're in a very open shelter or hammock). Of course pairing the quilt with a pad with an R value of 5 or more will allow the quilt to do its job to the rated temp comfortably.
Ya, EE definitely had some issues around reports of cold sleepers. I think the industry and consumers were still figuring things out. The mathematical amount leaves no room for error (bit of moisture, dirt, down migration, etc) and, as we all know, there are always things that come up in the real world! I'm glad to see manufacturers have figured things out! Good point on the wind! I've never really had a problem with wind before, but that makes sense!
what would you recommend as the best quilt to use as an 'overbag' to make your 3 season bag beefed up for colder nights in the fall and milder winter camping trips?
Awesome thanks man I was about to buy TODAY and ur info sent me in a different direction Ive got a EE sleeping bag now Quilt for the AT in April >>DEFINITELY!!! Happy Trails 🥾🔥💪✌️
I got a UGQ Quilt because of this video. I like it, it's nice and warm. I just wish the feathers wouldn't be flying out all the time. By the end of each camping trip, the inside of my tent looks like a snow globe. Not sure if my quilt is defective, or if I just chose the wrong material when designing my quilt.
Wow - wish you had this published 2 years ago when I bought my first quilt 😎 I got luck and the only thing I would change is a sewn foot box. And after seeing your quilt I may have gone with that red on my UGQ Bandit 👍🏼 Great stuff as usual Justin!
As others have said, perfect timing. I’m now not going with 950 fill power. I’m 5’11 and waffling on the regular length. I’ve had many bags and on a couple mummies my feet were tight against the foot box when hunkered down on a colder than expected night. Also what do you think about 20 outer shell and a 7 inner. I hope to do the PCT. THANX!!
I think it depends on whether you want to pull the quilt over your head while sleeping. At 5'10, I actually find the EE Enigma in regular to be a bit long for me, but I never pull the quilt up. I can easily get it over my head, if needed, though. If it's cold, I try to avoid breathing into the quilt for moisture reasons. I'd be wary of the breathability of the 20d. For me, I find the inner actually sees more abrasion and potential for issues than the outer since that's what I directly interact with. The outer doesn't really get touched by anything other than when packing it up! I think 10d/10d really is a sweet spot but wouldn't hesitate to go 7d/7d if you baby your gear.
Great advice! I just ordered the Revelation quilt since it was in stock for.a trip next weekend here in TN. I originally wanted the Enigma but it was only available in the custom option and I didn't want to wait that long. After watching your video I think I made the right choice. Thank you!
Justin, Great and informative video! I am leaning towards a quilt as I am an active sleeper and don’t like the cocoon feeling with bags. My question is: I do adventure motorcycle camping and space is a premium- Any issues by using a compression sack for quilts? Will this compress smaller than a comparable sleeping bag? Will you damage the down? Thanks!
A quilt would follow the same compression principles as a sleeping bag. You can use a compression bag, but I try not to compress down a ton because you will start to damage the down at some point.
1st class quilt review! As others have said, you raise points to consider that others haven't mentioned. Clear, informative and educational.... for this Brit at least! So glad I watched this vidoe before parting with $$$. I'd urge others to do the same. :-)
@@JustinOutdoors Thanks for listening to the people! This was really informative and easy to understand. And fortunately I feel better about the choices I did make now rather than immense regret, which is what I was afraid of 😆 (still semi-regretting not opting for a draft collar, but I'll live!)
Excellent video Justin - Much appreciated. You on anyone else out there have any experience with Liitle Shop Of Hammocks ? Not sure if a 55" width quilt wil be wide enough for a side sleeper like me.
I've looked at LSOH and they make good stuff. One of the reasons I didn't go with them though is that, other than for a brief period, they haven't offered sewn-insulated footboxes. I'm not a fan of zippered footboxes. I am a side sleeper and the EE 's 58" width works really well for me.
Thank you Justin. I'm wanting to pull the trigger on a quilt and a new pad. For a sleeping pad, Do you recommend a full rectangle sleeping pad or a tapered for use with a quilt?
Really useful vid and nice job on it! Curious about your layered quilt setup. Think in another vid you said it was a EE revelation 50F APEX, did you also get a reg/wide size to go over the same sized enigma or what did you do there and is that what you would recommend? Seems to be a more flexible setup than say a single 10F quilt. Use layered if really cold, the 50F if it is really warm summer camping, and the enigma for everything else.
Thanks! The layering is a super versatile system for sure. I'm using a reg/wide enigma 20 and a reg/wide revelation apex 50. The revelation apex fits perfectly over the enigma. The footbox on the revelation is a bit shallower, so it allows it to spread more. I'm also curious to use the apex 50 over a large winter sleeping bag like the Polar Ranger. If it has troubles fitting, I can just undo the zipper of the footbox a bit. I'm finding the Apex 50F provides about 20F of extra warmth to the system.
Thanks for making this video. It answered a lot of my questions. A quilt looks great. Perfect for arctic winter bikepacking, it being so light weight. The only problem I have is that it looks pretty expensive. For my type of freezing environment, I'd need a 550$ quilt. If you add a normal length sleeping pad with adequate R value, then the money quickly starts to rack up. I prefer to sleep under the starts at sub zero with my 3,5 kg military sleeping bag. The snow doesn't melt and is generally unaffected by any snow during the night and sparks from the camp fire. I assume these quilts react badly to sparks from the camp fire. I'm curious as to how these quilts react to snow during the night? Will it melt the snow that lands on top of it? Cheers.
The Katabatic flex has a little flap that covers up the hole at the bottom so you don’t get drafts. But it’s true, I don’t open it up as much as I thought it would be. I wish I had gone with wide since I use a wide sleeping pad. Also I move around a lot.
Hey justin, thanks for all the nice video's. As you often make budget video's i have a question on wich i would like your advice. Atm I own a aegismax mini quilt (50f) and think i want something warmer. Option 1 is to buy a second aegismax mini quilt (50f) and use the 2 together when i would like to have a warmer sleepsystem. Option 2 is to buy a hammock gear economy burrow quilt (20f), and use that one when i want to stay warmer. My question is, that if i will be even as hot with 2 quilts of 50f, than i will be with one 20f quilt. Both options weigh about the same Option 2 is 100$ more expensive, and weighs 250g less
Two 50F bags equals about 30F, so you'd be warmer with the Hammock Gear. I'd personally go with the Hammock Gear as you will likely really appreciate the extra warmth and lower weight.
This is a great, no b.s. review. I'm looking into a quilt because I'm a bigger dude. I measured my shoulder girth at 60". The EE and UGQ extra-wide quilts have a width of 64" and 65" respectively. Do you think these 4-5" will be wide enough for someone my size?
I haven't really looked at them much as they get pretty expensive once you start speccing them out for colder temps. I've heard great things but don't have any first hand experience. It is kind of hard to mess up a quilt if you nail the specs and both those companies seem to use enough down and the right sized baffles to achieve warmth.
Great video! Thanks for the help. You and I are the same size. Are there any penalties other than weight and cost for going too wide? And are there any possible benefits?
Great video ,, I’m on the market for a new quilt ,, giving the other one to my girl and trying to find one that would be a really good ultra light and warm quilt ,, my old one was a Paria quilt it works really good keeps u warm but a little on the heavy side
Hi Justin, Thank you for the very thorough guide into quilts. my purchase of a EE enigma is eminent, but I'm vacilating between a 20 degree quilt and a 10 degree quilt. Most of my use is in the high sierra's where temperatures sometimes get down into the 20S. Should I consider going to a 10 degree quilt. Thank you for you time, Phil
You're in a similar position to me and I'd say, if you're a cold sleeper go with the 10. If you are a warm or average sleeper and want to save weight/bulk, go with the 20. Quilts are great because you can dump heat easily, so unless weight/bulk/price is a priority, then you likely won't regret the one that sleeps warmer!
great review Justin!...i'm torn between 800 and 850 fill. 800 is less money but i find most go w/ 850. I'll be motorcycle camping in the summer/fall and considering a 20 or 30 degree (i'm not a hot or cold sleeper) UGQ Bandit. What do you recommend in temp and fill for me?
Such a great video. I own a UGQ quilt that's rated to -6C and have enjoyed it. (Live in Northern BC so lots of time in the Rockies) However I ordered it before I had a ton of knowledge about quilts a few years ago.... So I was recently looking at trying to lighten/update my quilt and was considering EE. However, after trying to figure out why EE would be so much lighter with similar features I read on their website that they are using the limit rating, not the comfort rating like UGQ. This definitely caught my attention bc so many videos state they're both comfort ratings. Have you come across this discrepancy/difference since making this video?
I have found the ratings for UGQ vs HG vs EE the same, which makes sense since all three use the same baffle height for obtaining loft for each of their temp ratings.
Very helpful video! For UGQ quilts do you recommend full taper or no taper? I’m 6’3 220 and on the fence about that as well as width and length, was thinking 60 or 64 inch width and 80 or 82 inch length? What would you recommend? I do toss and turn and sleep on side as well.. Thanks for any advice you can give!
I think that is a personal preference thing. I personally like a good taper to save weight. I usually sleep with my feet close together or crossed though. Even without taper, it's not like your spreading out more than 25 inches, even on a wide pad! At your size, I think you could get away with a 60 inch but may prefer the 64 inch if you toss and turn a lot. Going with the wider quilt will sacrifice weight and packability and, to a degree, warmth (more open air your body needs to heat up under the quilt). If you have really broad shoulders, go with the 64in.
Thanks for the great information. I've been looking at possibly buying a Quilt from UGQ this winter and all the options are kinda overwhelming. This will help decide on some options. Now to decide what temp rating to buy. I have a zpack 10 degrees sleeping bag and I still get cold some nights so not sure if I should get a zero degrees but that seems overkill.
Do you have a warm sleeping pad? If sleeping below 10F, I recommend at least a pad with an r-value above 3 (under the new ASTM standard). If you sleep cold, you could go into the 4s or 5s. Even if sleeping cold, a 4+ r-value pad and a 10F quilt should take you to around freezing or just below temperatures!
Fantastic video! I’m hoping to get an Enigma from Enlightened Equipment. I’m worried about getting caught for taxes getting one sent to Germany. Has anyone had experience in doing so?
Such an informative video, thank you! I will be referring to this when purchasing a quilt, for sure. Do you happen to know a little bit about the specifics of ordering a two-person quilt?
I don't know a whole lot. I know Enlightened Equipment sells the Accomplice, which is a two person quilt. Looks pretty good and has some neat features. I'd check that one out!
Thanks for such an informative and helpful video. I’m looking to get EE’s Revelation Apex to layer over the Enigma. Enigma being short/regular, do you think I should get the same size for Revelation? Or should I size up to short/wide?
What an amazing and educational video! I’ve been using sleeping bags for the last 20 years of my life and I’m finally wanting to get into Tryna quilt. Trying out so many quilts, what would you recommend? Ugq bandit or in Enlightened equipment Enigma?
I'm a big fan of the Enigmas. Well put together and good customization options. You can also get stock versions super quick instead of having to get on a waitlist.
@@JustinOutdoors hey man, thank you very much for the reply! Super cool 🤙🏽 Enigma what was I was leaning towards. Ima pull the trigger! Again thank you for the reply!
Katabatic is in a different price category with their differential cut. I've heard great things about differential cut, but it definitely makes the quilts more expensive. I think the vertical baffles above the knees and horizontal below the knees is really the way to go. I've used both and the down migration in quilts with horizontal baffles above the knees is pretty bad!
@@JustinOutdoors I feel like Katabatic has a rep for being super expensive but the flex 22 was the same or not much more when I looked at a few different brands. Now the flex also has the differential cut not just their other line.
You have friends??? I honestly wish there was something like this when I ordered my quilt. Definitely would have saved alot of time sending emails off to the cottage vendors, to make sure I knew what I was ordering.
"Denier, a unit of measure for the linear mass density of fibers, is the mass in grams per 9000 meters of the fiber." soo denier is not necessarily the thickness of a fiber because something æike polyester or silk is thinner than nylon in the same denier, but as always love your contet!
Definitely once you get into comparing different materials, the thickness factor goes out the window. When comparing within materials though, it should hold true. Great point though and, as a textiles nerd, I definitely want to deep dive on fabric types, denier, CFM, etc in a future video!
@@JustinOutdoors Even when comparing two nylons with the same denier they do not necessarily have the same thickness, but i will look forward to video tho! Love from Denmark 🇩🇰
With quilts, it's easy to dump heat and make them cooler, so I'd lean towards a too warm one than a too cold one! I find them much more versatile than sleeping bags for temperature range.
The horizontal and vertical baffles are separated, so no migration there. I do a light adjustment within the vertical baffles (for like 20 seconds) every time I take it out of the bag. I have never had to do a major adjustment of the down in my EE quilt in the last 2 years!
@@JustinOutdoors that's interesting as they told me "The baffles are connected in a U shape!" So a bit confused as there web site doesn't show a seem. That is the only worry I have with there bag.
Hey sir, I'm new to the quilt game. I'm wondering about pad straps keeping your quilt between you and the pad vs. connecting the quilt between the pad and the ground so it wraps around. Do you always go one way or another, is it personal preference, is your quilt going to get beat up too bad doing the latter? (Also, do you have a temp rating suggestion for 9-11,000' in the Colorado Rockies during august and september? I sleep really hot and I'm also an active sleeper.)
I never have the quilt under my sleeping pad. Compressing the down under the sleeping pad would reduce the insulation to almost zero. When I use the quilt, it always connects to the side of the sleeping pad, covering my on top and then creating a seal against the sleeping pad. The quilt never fully encompasses me like a sleeping bag. The quilt provides top insulation and the sleeping pad provides bottom insulation. I think a 20F quilt would probably be good for you in those conditions, but I'd double check the weather for the specific place you are going! I know different places in the Canadian Rockies can have temperatures that vary by up to 10 degrees!
Hey Justin, great video. I also live in yyc and I was wondering if you could shed some light on what it was like to get a quilt from the US to Calgary. Was there a significant tariff, and what was the lead time like to get a quilt? Also how do you find the -5 of the enlightened equipment vs the -5 rating on the thermarest vesper you have?
I didn't get hit with any taxes, tariffs, or brokerage fee when the Enlightened Equipment quilt came in from the US! I had EE ship it USPS, which I had to request special but that I mentioned would be a good permanent option to have on their site. I forget what the lead time was, but EE usually has it listed on their site. The 20F rating for the EE quilt is a true comfort rating and accurate. I've taken it down to -10C and was just starting to hit it's lower limit. The 20F Vesper on the other land cannot go below freezing without it getting chilly. Because it uses 950 CUIN down and doesn't overstuff, it is also a bit more susceptible to moisture through the night and becoming less lofty after a small amount of use.
Hey Justin, how much is duty to Canada when you buy an Enlightened Equipment quilt? I'm just wondering how much I'd have to think about 'adding' to the price if I got one. Thank you so much!!
Hey Justin. Getting ready to order a couple katabatic quilts (alsek 22 for me and sawatch 15 for wife). What’s your take on the dwr treated down debate? Katabatic offers both treated and untreated 900 goose.
@@JustinOutdoors I've was advised by UGQ a treated down quilt loses the natural oils (that exist as a natural water repellant in the down) when the down is treated; and, the DWR will wash and wear off making it better to get untreated down. That is why UGQ stop using treated down. Have you heard this before?
Best quilt review I've seen so far and I've watched at least 2 dozen! He hit on so many extra points that others missed. Well worth watching!
What are you his mother?
Easily the best video to help outfitting the perfect quilt order. Feeling a lot more confident in my order.
Still hands down the best vid for someone in the quilt market. Justin, you're on your way to a million subs.
I appreciate it! No way I'll ever hit 1 million subs though, haha. I find it very cool that I hit 10,000!
@@JustinOutdoors 10 grand to 100 grand to a cool mil. You just watch. Your voice is hypnotic and your knowledge is just about unparalleled in this genre. Keep it up brother. It'll happen. I mentioned this before: I see that most of the big names in backpack vlogs have done a major through hike. Have you any plans for a big 1000-2000 mile hike in the future? Could be a tipping point for you :D
@@JustinOutdoors Just going through some old vids of yours and look: 30,000+ subs already!! AND on your big CDT hike! Things are gonna change for you, sir.
That was the best quilt review ever. I’ve been a quilt user for the last three years and you’ve taught me things no one else even bothered to discuss. Thank you!👍
Awesome to hear! Thanks!
DUAL CAM! Seriously bro your delivery, concise-ness (is that even a word), and value in all your recent vids has been crazy top notch! Good job! Keep it up... and as always... keep looking shexshy....
I mean... keep moving forward!
Here's hoping this is the year I switch to a quilt!
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I’ve been researching quilts for over a year, yet you explained stuff I didn’t know. Well done.
Glad it helped! Going to pull the trigger soon?
Justin Outdoors I did. Having received an EE 30* last summer, I realized I needed a warmer quilt. I ordered a katabatic flex 22 and got it this week. Haven’t had a chance to use it yet. I got lucky and think I made a good choice.
@@barondavis5692 Nice! I've heard good things about katabatic and their differential cut. I hope it works out for you!
Great review, thanks. I use a 20 degree Zpacks 7 D and my dog uses a 10 degree 10 D EE. Neither of us use pad straps. If it’s going to get cold, say below 30 I wear my MountBell down pants. I will be taking them on my thru hike of the Colorado Trail. My dog Maggie gets into her quilt and I rap it all around her. I got her a 10 degree because I think she is a bit of cold sleeper. We had some issues before I upped her sleep system and she would end up in my quilt.
Wow, you did an awesome job on describing what a quilt is! I actually feel like I learned something from watching this video! I think you missed your calling, you would be an excellent teacher or instructor! I definitely made a good decision to subscribe to your channel! And what I noticed is your videos keep getting better! As always thanks for the awesome videos you produce!
Rick from Virginia
Thanks Rick! I try to improve every video!
It's good. I watched it twice.
best, most concise explanation of quilt (and sleeping bag) technology I've seen yet. awesome job
Very helpful video for a first-timer quilter (like me)! There are so many variables to think about and it was great to hit on all of them, even if 10 seems overwhelming. I was leaning towards a zippered footbox for the versatility but I'm also in the US Rockies and realistically will likely never use the quilt open. I'm still researching but excited to purchase a quilt for next season.
After watching tons of videos on sleeping bags/quilts, this is only one that actually explained fill power so I could understand it!! 👍
Thanks Justin! As always, your video was super helpful and enjoyable to watch. I love your channel.
A very thorough overview of what quilts have to offer. Informative and and honest comments. Thank you!
Thanks Justin for the extremely informative & helpful video on Quilts. Makes it a lot easier ordering a Perfect Quilt.
Cheers from Toronto, Canada.
I've been committed to only using sleeping bags for the majority of my time as a backpacker, but I've been gaining an interest in quilts and it's overwhelming. I appreciate you taking the time to make a thorough explainer.
Glad I could help!
Amazingly thorough while still concise and clear. Thank you for the excellent insights you are sharing thru your channel!
Thanks Justin, man you really know your quilt, thanks for the help needed some information about quilts and you certainly gave me a lot of good inputs to make up my mind.
Legit ... 4 days ago I went to order my first quilts for my son and I when I was stopped dead in my tracks on the Enlightened Equipment website by all of the discussed options here. This video is fantastic! The questions I had are being answered here and hopefully with these being answered it will lead to a new set of questions that I am completely ignorant even exist at this point. Good stuff, much appreciated.
Awesome to hear! Hopefully you don't have too many more questions!
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I’m new to backpacking and just now getting gear. I feel like this is the only channel I need to watch to figure things out! Thanks!
Thanks Todd!
Man, thank you so much. I’ve been really trying to figure this all out.
Perfect video on quilts honestly, covered every component I had questions about and then some. Can't stand sleeping bags and just picked up an EE custom after watching. Can't wait!
Thank you! I think I just decided on all the features I want. Great quilt review.
Thank you! I had so many questions when I was looking at ordering a quilt today. You answered them all and I now know which one is right for me now. Love your videos!
Perfect timing! A quilt is next on my list. Love the thumbnail too!
Thanks! Hopefully the guide helps you out! There are a crazy number of customization options out there! Some might say too many...! haha
For anyone looking for another brand, I ended up ordering from Warbonnet Outdoors. Price wise they were between HG and UGQ, but offered all the same options (and more) as UGQ. Very happy with the quality and warmth so far, hoping to take it into winter with me.
great video, thank you Justin!
This is the most useful quilt video i found on YT ! loved your comparison vid on neoair, sts and nemo pads too. As a consumer paralysed for choice and too lazy too do in depth research, these vids are exactly what i needed. THANK YOU and i look forward to more educational videos!
DUDE!! That was an excellent and comprehensive video, much appreciated ay.
My old down mummy bag made me cold last week at 2 degrees c, so I wanna upgrade, and quilts seem the be a great new idea, and I’am glad there’s an option to customise as I find bags to be too long or too short.
Great video. Sure will help people. I think EE learned a lesson, as did a lot of customers, in that the minimum mathematical amount of down required isn't enough (hence that overstuff many manufacturers use). Another advantage of bumping up an extra ounce or two of down is wind resistance. That thicker density down will keep the wind from cutting through or robbing the quilt of warmth (if you're in a very open shelter or hammock). Of course pairing the quilt with a pad with an R value of 5 or more will allow the quilt to do its job to the rated temp comfortably.
Ya, EE definitely had some issues around reports of cold sleepers. I think the industry and consumers were still figuring things out. The mathematical amount leaves no room for error (bit of moisture, dirt, down migration, etc) and, as we all know, there are always things that come up in the real world! I'm glad to see manufacturers have figured things out! Good point on the wind! I've never really had a problem with wind before, but that makes sense!
Honestly love the video dude, straight to the point and full of information
what would you recommend as the best quilt to use as an 'overbag' to make your 3 season bag beefed up for colder nights in the fall and milder winter camping trips?
You did a very good job explaining each option there is when buying a quilt. Thank you for making this video because I definitely needed it.
Thanks and no problem!
Awesome thanks man
I was about to buy TODAY and ur info sent me in a different direction
Ive got a EE sleeping bag now
Quilt for the AT in April >>DEFINITELY!!!
Happy Trails 🥾🔥💪✌️
Thank you Justin. I will now step out of your head..lol!
Seriously, you explained the footbox question I had very nicely.
haha! Glad the video made sense!
I got a UGQ Quilt because of this video. I like it, it's nice and warm. I just wish the feathers wouldn't be flying out all the time. By the end of each camping trip, the inside of my tent looks like a snow globe. Not sure if my quilt is defective, or if I just chose the wrong material when designing my quilt.
Awesome video, very helpful and well done - thank you!
Outstanding description of the choices, thanks so much. This does make the choices much easier to understand.
Glad you enjoyed!
Duuuude!!! Awesome info and very well done vid!! Thanks!!
I been looking for this video nice!!
!Great video! Thanks!
Best video on this matter! Thank you!
this was hella helpful thank you
Hey Justin, since you seem well versed with Enlightened Equipment do you like the Enigma Apex? What are your thoughts on synthetic quilts in general?
Wow - wish you had this published 2 years ago when I bought my first quilt 😎 I got luck and the only thing I would change is a sewn foot box. And after seeing your quilt I may have gone with that red on my UGQ Bandit 👍🏼 Great stuff as usual Justin!
Thanks! I may need to get my hands on a UGQ one of these days!
As others have said, perfect timing. I’m now not going with 950 fill power. I’m 5’11 and waffling on the regular length. I’ve had many bags and on a couple mummies my feet were tight against the foot box when hunkered down on a colder than expected night. Also what do you think about 20 outer shell and a 7 inner. I hope to do the PCT. THANX!!
I think it depends on whether you want to pull the quilt over your head while sleeping. At 5'10, I actually find the EE Enigma in regular to be a bit long for me, but I never pull the quilt up. I can easily get it over my head, if needed, though. If it's cold, I try to avoid breathing into the quilt for moisture reasons. I'd be wary of the breathability of the 20d. For me, I find the inner actually sees more abrasion and potential for issues than the outer since that's what I directly interact with. The outer doesn't really get touched by anything other than when packing it up! I think 10d/10d really is a sweet spot but wouldn't hesitate to go 7d/7d if you baby your gear.
This is an AWESOME video. Thank you! I've been researching for the past week but this video summed up everything perfectly
Glad it helped!
What are your thoughts on the UGQ "dynamic tension control" option?
Great advice! I just ordered the Revelation quilt since it was in stock for.a trip next weekend here in TN. I originally wanted the Enigma but it was only available in the custom option and I didn't want to wait that long. After watching your video I think I made the right choice. Thank you!
Thanks Justin, this was great! Explained quite a lot.
No problem! Glad you enjoyed it :)
Also, you can get non-down quilts. Important since many people are allergic or have ethical reasons for avoiding down.
Thank you for this very informative video! Professional and concise. I feel very confident in ordering a custom made UGQ now 🙂
Awesome video! Great information for anyone wanting to purchase a quilt. Well cone Justin. Crow
Great review exactly what was needed.
Very informative… thanks!
when used as an Overbag for a down sleeping bag in cold wet weather. would you Rec a 7 d inside and a 10 d outside?
Justin, Great and informative video! I am leaning towards a quilt as I am an active sleeper and don’t like the cocoon feeling with bags.
My question is: I do adventure motorcycle camping and space is a premium- Any issues by using a compression sack for quilts? Will this compress smaller than a comparable sleeping bag? Will you damage the down? Thanks!
A quilt would follow the same compression principles as a sleeping bag. You can use a compression bag, but I try not to compress down a ton because you will start to damage the down at some point.
1st class quilt review! As others have said, you raise points to consider that others haven't mentioned. Clear, informative and educational.... for this Brit at least! So glad I watched this vidoe before parting with $$$. I'd urge others to do the same. :-)
grateful for the guidance
Aw man I just ordered a quilt last week. I wish I had this video then! It was so hard to make decisions on features!
That's what I heard from a lot of people who were looking to buy quilts and what prompted this video!
@@JustinOutdoors Thanks for listening to the people! This was really informative and easy to understand. And fortunately I feel better about the choices I did make now rather than immense regret, which is what I was afraid of 😆 (still semi-regretting not opting for a draft collar, but I'll live!)
Excellent video Justin - Much appreciated. You on anyone else out there have any experience with Liitle Shop Of Hammocks ?
Not sure if a 55" width quilt wil be wide enough for a side sleeper like me.
I've looked at LSOH and they make good stuff. One of the reasons I didn't go with them though is that, other than for a brief period, they haven't offered sewn-insulated footboxes. I'm not a fan of zippered footboxes. I am a side sleeper and the EE 's 58" width works really well for me.
Incredibly helpful video, thank you!
Thank you Justin. I'm wanting to pull the trigger on a quilt and a new pad. For a sleeping pad, Do you recommend a full rectangle sleeping pad or a tapered for use with a quilt?
I personally like mummy shaped pads for the way I sleep. Some people love square though. Both will work!
Really useful vid and nice job on it! Curious about your layered quilt setup. Think in another vid you said it was a EE revelation 50F APEX, did you also get a reg/wide size to go over the same sized enigma or what did you do there and is that what you would recommend? Seems to be a more flexible setup than say a single 10F quilt. Use layered if really cold, the 50F if it is really warm summer camping, and the enigma for everything else.
Thanks! The layering is a super versatile system for sure. I'm using a reg/wide enigma 20 and a reg/wide revelation apex 50. The revelation apex fits perfectly over the enigma. The footbox on the revelation is a bit shallower, so it allows it to spread more. I'm also curious to use the apex 50 over a large winter sleeping bag like the Polar Ranger. If it has troubles fitting, I can just undo the zipper of the footbox a bit. I'm finding the Apex 50F provides about 20F of extra warmth to the system.
Great video… you da man👍
This was so helpful. Thank you.
Thanks for making this video. It answered a lot of my questions.
A quilt looks great. Perfect for arctic winter bikepacking, it being so light weight. The only problem I have is that it looks pretty expensive. For my type of freezing environment, I'd need a 550$ quilt. If you add a normal length sleeping pad with adequate R value, then the money quickly starts to rack up.
I prefer to sleep under the starts at sub zero with my 3,5 kg military sleeping bag. The snow doesn't melt and is generally unaffected by any snow during the night and sparks from the camp fire. I assume these quilts react badly to sparks from the camp fire. I'm curious as to how these quilts react to snow during the night? Will it melt the snow that lands on top of it?
Cheers.
The quilts definitely would not do well with fire or snow!
Excellent excellent vid !!
The Katabatic flex has a little flap that covers up the hole at the bottom so you don’t get drafts. But it’s true, I don’t open it up as much as I thought it would be. I wish I had gone with wide since I use a wide sleeping pad. Also I move around a lot.
Hey justin, thanks for all the nice video's. As you often make budget video's i have a question on wich i would like your advice.
Atm I own a aegismax mini quilt (50f) and think i want something warmer.
Option 1 is to buy a second aegismax mini quilt (50f) and use the 2 together when i would like to have a warmer sleepsystem.
Option 2 is to buy a hammock gear economy burrow quilt (20f), and use that one when i want to stay warmer.
My question is, that if i will be even as hot with 2 quilts of 50f, than i will be with one 20f quilt.
Both options weigh about the same
Option 2 is 100$ more expensive, and weighs 250g less
Two 50F bags equals about 30F, so you'd be warmer with the Hammock Gear. I'd personally go with the Hammock Gear as you will likely really appreciate the extra warmth and lower weight.
@@JustinOutdoors thank you so much!!! greetings from Belgium!
This is a great, no b.s. review. I'm looking into a quilt because I'm a bigger dude. I measured my shoulder girth at 60". The EE and UGQ extra-wide quilts have a width of 64" and 65" respectively. Do you think these 4-5" will be wide enough for someone my size?
Shouldn't be a problem for you! Unless any part of you is greater than 26in in depth/width, you'll be comfortable.
Is the enlightened equipment enigma, or the hammock gear premium burrow better?
Thank you 🙏, what do think of quilt made by Nunatak and katabatic?
I haven't really looked at them much as they get pretty expensive once you start speccing them out for colder temps. I've heard great things but don't have any first hand experience. It is kind of hard to mess up a quilt if you nail the specs and both those companies seem to use enough down and the right sized baffles to achieve warmth.
Great video! Thanks for the help. You and I are the same size. Are there any penalties other than weight and cost for going too wide? And are there any possible benefits?
You will potentially have more space under the quilt you need to heat up if going too wide.
Interested in where you got your pad cover. Any info? I am looking for ONR for my Nemo Tensor Insulated wide long.
I don't use a pad cover
Thanks for the great information.
Great video ,, I’m on the market for a new quilt ,, giving the other one to my girl and trying to find one that would be a really good ultra light and warm quilt ,, my old one was a Paria quilt it works really good keeps u warm but a little on the heavy side
Great to hear that the Paria worked well for you! I actually have one coming in to try out. It is on the heavy side though :)
Hi Justin,
Thank you for the very thorough guide into quilts. my purchase of a EE enigma is eminent, but I'm vacilating between a
20 degree quilt and a 10 degree quilt. Most of my use is in the high sierra's where temperatures sometimes get down into the 20S. Should I consider going to a 10 degree quilt. Thank you for you time, Phil
You're in a similar position to me and I'd say, if you're a cold sleeper go with the 10. If you are a warm or average sleeper and want to save weight/bulk, go with the 20. Quilts are great because you can dump heat easily, so unless weight/bulk/price is a priority, then you likely won't regret the one that sleeps warmer!
Thank you Justin for your quick and thoughtful response, a couple of more ounces for comfort is no big deal for 2 to 3 trips a year.
great review Justin!...i'm torn between 800 and 850 fill. 800 is less money but i find most go w/ 850. I'll be motorcycle camping in the summer/fall and considering a 20 or 30 degree (i'm not a hot or cold sleeper) UGQ Bandit. What do you recommend in temp and fill for me?
The difference is marginal with 800 vs 850 - either one would be a great choice!
Such a great video. I own a UGQ quilt that's rated to -6C and have enjoyed it. (Live in Northern BC so lots of time in the Rockies) However I ordered it before I had a ton of knowledge about quilts a few years ago.... So I was recently looking at trying to lighten/update my quilt and was considering EE. However, after trying to figure out why EE would be so much lighter with similar features I read on their website that they are using the limit rating, not the comfort rating like UGQ. This definitely caught my attention bc so many videos state they're both comfort ratings. Have you come across this discrepancy/difference since making this video?
I have found the ratings for UGQ vs HG vs EE the same, which makes sense since all three use the same baffle height for obtaining loft for each of their temp ratings.
Very helpful video! For UGQ quilts do you recommend full taper or no taper? I’m 6’3 220 and on the fence about that as well as width and length, was thinking 60 or 64 inch width and 80 or 82 inch length? What would you recommend? I do toss and turn and sleep on side as well.. Thanks for any advice you can give!
I think that is a personal preference thing. I personally like a good taper to save weight. I usually sleep with my feet close together or crossed though. Even without taper, it's not like your spreading out more than 25 inches, even on a wide pad! At your size, I think you could get away with a 60 inch but may prefer the 64 inch if you toss and turn a lot. Going with the wider quilt will sacrifice weight and packability and, to a degree, warmth (more open air your body needs to heat up under the quilt). If you have really broad shoulders, go with the 64in.
Fantastic video, friend.
Thank you sire!
Thanks for the great information. I've been looking at possibly buying a Quilt from UGQ this winter and all the options are kinda overwhelming. This will help decide on some options. Now to decide what temp rating to buy. I have a zpack 10 degrees sleeping bag and I still get cold some nights so not sure if I should get a zero degrees but that seems overkill.
Do you have a warm sleeping pad? If sleeping below 10F, I recommend at least a pad with an r-value above 3 (under the new ASTM standard). If you sleep cold, you could go into the 4s or 5s. Even if sleeping cold, a 4+ r-value pad and a 10F quilt should take you to around freezing or just below temperatures!
Bro great vid thank you 🙏
Are you a stomach sleeper as well? Or mostly side and back?
I’m debating between regular and long length for the EE Revelation.
side sleeper!
Fantastic video! I’m hoping to get an Enigma from Enlightened Equipment. I’m worried about getting caught for taxes getting one sent to Germany. Has anyone had experience in doing so?
Such an informative video, thank you! I will be referring to this when purchasing a quilt, for sure. Do you happen to know a little bit about the specifics of ordering a two-person quilt?
I don't know a whole lot. I know Enlightened Equipment sells the Accomplice, which is a two person quilt. Looks pretty good and has some neat features. I'd check that one out!
Thanks for such an informative and helpful video. I’m looking to get EE’s Revelation Apex to layer over the Enigma. Enigma being short/regular, do you think I should get the same size for Revelation? Or should I size up to short/wide?
I went with the same width for both and it's working out great!
What an amazing and educational video! I’ve been using sleeping bags for the last 20 years of my life and I’m finally wanting to get into Tryna quilt. Trying out so many quilts, what would you recommend? Ugq bandit or in Enlightened equipment Enigma?
I'm a big fan of the Enigmas. Well put together and good customization options. You can also get stock versions super quick instead of having to get on a waitlist.
@@JustinOutdoors hey man, thank you very much for the reply! Super cool 🤙🏽 Enigma what was I was leaning towards. Ima pull the trigger! Again thank you for the reply!
This was super helpful
Great review. Would love to get your thoughts on katabatic vs ugq and ee. Also vertical vs horizontal baffles
Katabatic is in a different price category with their differential cut. I've heard great things about differential cut, but it definitely makes the quilts more expensive. I think the vertical baffles above the knees and horizontal below the knees is really the way to go. I've used both and the down migration in quilts with horizontal baffles above the knees is pretty bad!
@@JustinOutdoors I feel like Katabatic has a rep for being super expensive but the flex 22 was the same or not much more when I looked at a few different brands. Now the flex also has the differential cut not just their other line.
You have friends???
I honestly wish there was something like this when I ordered my quilt. Definitely would have saved alot of time sending emails off to the cottage vendors, to make sure I knew what I was ordering.
At ;east the cottage guys are easy to get a hold of and discuss things with :)
If you are in Edmonton go with Kluane Mountaineering. Custom down goods, Canadian.
"Denier, a unit of measure for the linear mass density of fibers, is the mass in grams per 9000 meters of the fiber." soo denier is not necessarily the thickness of a fiber because something æike polyester or silk is thinner than nylon in the same denier, but as always love your contet!
Definitely once you get into comparing different materials, the thickness factor goes out the window. When comparing within materials though, it should hold true. Great point though and, as a textiles nerd, I definitely want to deep dive on fabric types, denier, CFM, etc in a future video!
@@JustinOutdoors Even when comparing two nylons with the same denier they do not necessarily have the same thickness, but i will look forward to video tho! Love from Denmark 🇩🇰
Justin, do you think having a quilt to warm would be bad?
Thanks, Trail Flea..
With quilts, it's easy to dump heat and make them cooler, so I'd lean towards a too warm one than a too cold one! I find them much more versatile than sleeping bags for temperature range.
Nice job, thank you!
Does the down migrate down to the vertical baffles to the horizontal baffles much? How often do need to redistribute the down?
The horizontal and vertical baffles are separated, so no migration there. I do a light adjustment within the vertical baffles (for like 20 seconds) every time I take it out of the bag. I have never had to do a major adjustment of the down in my EE quilt in the last 2 years!
@@JustinOutdoors that's interesting as they told me "The baffles are connected in a U shape!" So a bit confused as there web site doesn't show a seem. That is the only worry I have with there bag.
Hey sir, I'm new to the quilt game. I'm wondering about pad straps keeping your quilt between you and the pad vs. connecting the quilt between the pad and the ground so it wraps around. Do you always go one way or another, is it personal preference, is your quilt going to get beat up too bad doing the latter? (Also, do you have a temp rating suggestion for 9-11,000' in the Colorado Rockies during august and september? I sleep really hot and I'm also an active sleeper.)
I never have the quilt under my sleeping pad. Compressing the down under the sleeping pad would reduce the insulation to almost zero. When I use the quilt, it always connects to the side of the sleeping pad, covering my on top and then creating a seal against the sleeping pad. The quilt never fully encompasses me like a sleeping bag. The quilt provides top insulation and the sleeping pad provides bottom insulation. I think a 20F quilt would probably be good for you in those conditions, but I'd double check the weather for the specific place you are going! I know different places in the Canadian Rockies can have temperatures that vary by up to 10 degrees!
Hey Justin, great video. I also live in yyc and I was wondering if you could shed some light on what it was like to get a quilt from the US to Calgary. Was there a significant tariff, and what was the lead time like to get a quilt? Also how do you find the -5 of the enlightened equipment vs the -5 rating on the thermarest vesper you have?
I didn't get hit with any taxes, tariffs, or brokerage fee when the Enlightened Equipment quilt came in from the US! I had EE ship it USPS, which I had to request special but that I mentioned would be a good permanent option to have on their site. I forget what the lead time was, but EE usually has it listed on their site. The 20F rating for the EE quilt is a true comfort rating and accurate. I've taken it down to -10C and was just starting to hit it's lower limit. The 20F Vesper on the other land cannot go below freezing without it getting chilly. Because it uses 950 CUIN down and doesn't overstuff, it is also a bit more susceptible to moisture through the night and becoming less lofty after a small amount of use.
Hey Justin, how much is duty to Canada when you buy an Enlightened Equipment quilt? I'm just wondering how much I'd have to think about 'adding' to the price if I got one. Thank you so much!!
I just payed brokerage and taxes. No duties or tariffs. Was around $30-40 I think (Alberta doesn't have a provincial sales tax)
Hey Justin. Getting ready to order a couple katabatic quilts (alsek 22 for me and sawatch 15 for wife). What’s your take on the dwr treated down debate? Katabatic offers both treated and untreated 900 goose.
My understanding is that the treated versions are worth it if you are in very moist environments.
@@JustinOutdoors I've was advised by UGQ a treated down quilt loses the natural oils (that exist as a natural water repellant in the down) when the down is treated; and, the DWR will wash and wear off making it better to get untreated down. That is why UGQ stop using treated down. Have you heard this before?