As a child, I started noticing people in the congregation who were unreliable, ne're do wells, impulsive. In my early 20's, I noticed that the elders & the org were constantly jerking us around. Then I read the Bible thru & the actions of the Isrealites were enough to drive anyone crazy! And even worse, Jehovah was so petulant, ego maniacal, bi-polar, impulsive, unjust & cruel. Who is going to follow that? The bible says, " You will know them by their fruits"! My real dad demonstrated true stability for me. Thanks dad! Such great reasoning, Surviving! Your biological dad missed out on knowing a great person. 💙
Yo man this one was 🔥! I remember when I was a youngster I asked my parents what happened to people knowing about Jehovah between Jesus’ death and Charles Taze Russell and they couldn’t give me a real answer. Just some bs about Jehovah’s name being lost or something. I used to ask the same questions as you Stacey and never got intelligent answers. I knew once I was 18 I was gonna bounce.
The name "Jehovah" was never lost because it wasn't invented until 1530 A.D. by William Tyndale. Not only invented, but a grammatical impossibility having nothing to do with YHWH. So much for that WT fiction.
As always Stacy....I love your channel....even tho I am no longer a jw....I am still a Christian who tries to love everyone to the best of my ability....but I can not wait for the Watchtower to crumble! They have destroyed so many lives and families
Thank you Stacey! how Simple it is to just Research what these 9 Guys Are feeding there Org. Its all right there, From the Bible and Yet People like my Parents just won't look beyond what they are being told. Very Sad!
On the one hand, they say that Jehovah has always had his own organization, and on the other, that since the 2nd century C.E. until the creation of the modern organization, there were only individuals faithful to God. This is mutually exclusive.
Cow Palace.. oh boy, does that place bring back memories. I went from a “worldly” tween teen going there for rock & metal concerts, to a 20’s/30’s jdub going to 3-4 day conventions, to a 50 something going there for g u n shows. That place has memories all across the board. 😂😂 Okay, going to keep to keep listening.
@@survivingparadisepodcast The last time I went there was for a g u n show. The pics are still on the walls. It was like going back in time. Kinda ghostly in way. KISS played there in 79. I was barely a tween. My Dad (it was his weekend to pretend like he was a dad & cared) dropped my friend & I off for the concert, then forgot to pick us up. We had to use the pay phone across the street at that liquor store to call him. 😂😂😂 I only had one sock left on my feet because I always pushed my way to the front & both shoes & the other sock came off in the crowd. 😂😂 Awesome times. Maybe why I eventually became a security supervisor for live shows. Lmao. But ya, all that evil music right? Playing the albums backwards and all. 😂😈 Once a rebel, always a rebel. I remember the elders telling my ex that I was too dominant. He never cared before we got into the cult. I just told him to act like the husband & not like a wife. 😂😂 Such a wonderful freedom being out of that mind control, gaslighting billion dollar cult. Life … ya just gotta love all the twists & turns. Only a sense of humor & a doctorate degree in sarcasm will get you through in one piece. 💪🏼😂🍻😉
Excellent, podcast this week. Excellent research points utilizing both their bible & historical literature. Last checked, I searched the word “organization” through an archive JW site that has every publication printed from 1879 - present, & that word was mentioned some 11,000 times, which is odd since it appears 0 times in the Bible, & they claim their literature is bible based.
Lol i honestly got confused into thinking we were part Jewish growing up because we were part of "Jehovah’s Organization." Because the Isrealites were "Jehovah’s people" and we were "Jehovah’s people." And no one corrected me until i was 12 😂
While you were an elder did you ever think it was unfair that normal witness didn't have the information in the elders book. Especially people who were niave to certain rules that elders knew about. l was disfellowshiped 40 years ago and one of the most frustrating things to me was that l was told on multiple occasions about 15 years ago that if l had done now(15 years ago) what l had done 40 years ago l would not have been disfellowshipped no apology though. Apparently they changed the condition of something being a one-off thing and 1 meeting of judicial to making a habit of something and having to be asked into several judicials.
That's the way it works. If you wanted to go back to WT, YOU would have to beg for _their_ forgiveness for violating a rule that has been 'new lighted' into obsolescence and is no longer applicable. WT never apologizes to anyone for anything.
YES!!! It was being an elder for many years that woke me up!!! Double standards, lies and more....I'm so sorry for what you've been through! They were DFing married people for oral sex in the 80's....insane!
Thank you to all those witnesses and ex-witnesses who leak any and all documents to the world. You are appreciated and loved. Jesus said your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciple (John 13:35).
If there was always an organization which I know that’s what they do teach, why do they at the same time teach that his modern-day organization was started up under Russell? And here’s the biggie if Jehovah always had an organization which means an organized people under his influence and control, then why did Russell start up an independent organization, why didn’t he just seek out and join God‘s already established existing organization if he has always had one, what would be the point to start up another one on your own when there was always an organization to run to for salvation? So if there was always an organization as they teach that there has been, then wouldn’t Russell have to have gone to God’s existing organization for salvation? It is paradoxical, enigmatic, and makes no sense, does it. You cannot simultaneously have possession of your cake and eat it, too. In other words, Russell cannot start up Jehovah organization as the Watchtower leadership teaches, and at the same time teach that Jehovah has always had an organization even up to Russell’s coming onto the scene. The leaders of JW. Org change the whole paradigm of organization and redefining what the word organization really is. What kind of organization is no organization at all? And that the GB teaches that by faith we must believe always existed but without logical provable evidence, because if God had an organization, surely he would’ve directed Charles Russell to his true active organization, and not start up something new to what Jehovah already had established since before the flood. How do JW’s get around this huge elephant in the room?By saying something moronic, like “it just wasn’t Jehovah‘s time to reveal his organization yet”, which really isn’t addressing the issue because they can’t, it’s like putting a square peg into a round hole trying to forcefully hammer it in where it doesn’t work.
The God who made the world and all the things in it, being, as he is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples; 25 nor is he served by human hands as if he needed anything, because he himself gives to all people life and breath and all things.- Acts 17:24-25 I tryed telling the ones I love this and I’ve come to the conclusion that they don’t believe Gods word 😢
A lot of people have trouble accepting that a book based on scrolls that no longer exist and was manipulated by kings and churches only to be selectively canonized with a specific agenda just is NOT the word of any god. He needs a book? Seriously?
@@Eric_01 well that’s the point of this scripture it says he doesn’t need anything in verse 25 … the point of the Bible is to read it and believe in God and he will come to you and tell you the truth and show you the way to him …. But if you don’t believe in him that’s when you get lost in “translation”
Their has to be Organization Somehow Stacy. I will Try to Form a Rebuttal but I have no patience. I want them to be right as the next One. Remember they said there will be things they'll do that don't look Sane or Logical. & What's more illogical the Walking in Circles for 40 yrs in the desert 🏜 but it worked out fine in the End for Were All Here Aren't We!!Well for now Were Here!🎉😂❤
Best youtube yet. Why did Noah not get disfellowshipped or go before the elders because he was drunk? Oh yeah, the elders shredded their tablets so that we won't have proof.😂😂
Lol, I love how busy your childhood brain was! Funny, how children could think right past these pompous men! I always thought it was humorous that Jesus said, "Out of the mouths of babes."! Children tend to see past hypocracy because they are so innocent & pure.
I actually did a chronology calculation as an ex-JW elder too; so I was already familiar with the dates involved in which God had a congregation of people on earth who joined themselves in large numbers to try and obey his laws and speak about him to other nations. So basically, you have 3 periods of "organization". 1. the formation of the Israelite nation under Moses and the old law covenant, 2. the formation of the Christian congregation in the first and 2nd century; and 3. the formation of the modern day organization started by Russel and terminating in the 21st century of our day. And all of the 55 years I was a zealous member I can't figure out why I never questioned that IGNORANT STATEMENT! So, in summary, out of about 6,045 of human existence; only about 1,290 years of it was represented by an organization of followers of the God Jehovah! So for 80% of the period that man has lived on the earth; God has had NO organization on earth representing him and using his name in their worship!
I left in 1999 after 25 years and haven’t looked back. Prior to becoming a JW in 1974 I was raised Lutheran but stopped attending in the Navy. After I left the JW’s I went back to default mode of no religion. It took me a few years of therapy to get all of it behind me. I worry about you content creators dwelling on this and not moving on to live their best lives. By way of example, I became a content creator for close to twenty years after leaving the JW’s but an entirely different type of content. Before I became a JW there was a Sprint Car owner in our family that introduced me to racing. After leaving the JW’s I setup a racing website and bought camera gear. I hooked up with a local racing paper and a magazine and had a lot of fun until I was 65 and shut it all down. Difference being that I did it for myself after sacrificing a quarter century. It’s a recent phenomenon that it seems every “born in” that leaves the JW’s starts a channel. I don’t seek out ex JW content but I’m a TH-cam junky so it finds me. Stacy, you sound like a fun person to have a few beers with and unload on the WT. Your channel is interesting at times and frustrating when I beat myself up for converting to it. I believe I recall you saying that since leaving you have not joined another religion. Likewise for me, I was in “the truth” and found out it wasn’t true. I’m not looking for a version of JW lite or for another religion. I can’t imagine how someone who is no longer religious can “now if you’ll turn with me in your Bible while I read…”. I ran up a pretty healthy therapy bill to erase that stuff from my head. I hope that you know when to bail if this starts affecting you in a negative way.
Please dont ever beat yourself up for joining. We were all fooled at some piont. The important thing is that you figured it out & learned a great life lesson & wont be fooled again! What you said about getting that stuff out of our head has validity. But, in my case, I have all this useless info that hopefully I can use to help others & as long as I still have family in, there is hope I can do something with it. With family in, there is no real escape, & you need to stay honed & prepared.
I have one daughter who is still a JW but it’s not my job to “witness” to JW’s about why they should leave. We got out in 1999 before TH-cam and there was very little about it online. Back then when you left you just went out and lived your best life. That’s what we have done for 25 years and hope to continue into our 80’s. Today the only things I’m “honed and prepared” for is to grow the best herb and enjoy retirement before I go belly up. Hats off to anyone willing to devote their freedom from JW’s to dwelling on them. I got that simple advice from my therapist. It would make no sense to pay for expensive therapy to leave the JW stuff behind while still dwelling on their propaganda. That can’t be good for the old mental health. I don’t care who it is, dwelling on this can cause a lot of problems.
All very good points!!! Trust me, I wanted NOTHING to do with talking about it for well over 10 years. NO interest....at all. I'd get mad when people wanted to engage. I was catching up on lost time. BUT......I turned on the microphone based on the dangers to children. I felt a responsibility to protect future kids from all of this....even in my own small way. My anger flares when it comes to the people who were children....harmed by these scummy organization. I couldn't be silent.....my goal was to help ONE child.....
@@StanMNdirt I agree with you...but my circumstances are different. I dont "witness" to family. They wouldnt listen if I did. I left over 20 yrs ago & very much went my own way. I devoted myself to my love of horses, animals & the outdoors. I had a job that was my dream. I live in a remote area & work outdoors to my hearts content. The day Im not prepared & honed will be the day Im ready to see the view underground. If you feel that way, then I wonder why you are here, listening & commenting?
If it wasn't for people in the Organization, no one else would go out in service to spread the word, that takes a special kind of people. Especially for free, and heartfelt.
There is only one man God commissioned us to listen to: “This is my Son, the beloved, in whom I am well pleased, LISTEN TO HIM” Any denomination or group or individual or even bible writer that ‘does not’ point you to the words of the Christ is misleading you. One God YeHoVaH, one Messiah Yeshua
*"One God YeHoVaH, one Messiah Yeshua"* Nearly 2 BILLION Muslims, 1.2 BILLION Hindus, Orthodox Jews and thousands of other religions would disagree with you on this one.
*"point you to the words of the Christ"* The Bible contains no words of Christ. Not one. What it does contain is *hearsay* written decades after the fictional events occurred and invented by anonymous writers.
You are a deep thinker! JW messed up when loss you! I read 4 books might peek your interest..God Delusion by Rich Dawkins , Recapture the Rapture Rethinking God by Jamie Wheal , Guns Germs and Steel, and Collapse both books by Jared Diamond
Jehovah seems to have a ton of problems. He can't do anything without 'his people' always on deck somewhere around the world. Yet he's supposed to be almighty. Huh? 😂
@@bretherenlee1404 I watched your brain devolve in real time as you go to as many EXJW videos trolling as you can. You're getting worse at it, meaning less effective. Sad that the pile of dying people as a result of the blood doctrine, which was more lenient to those who bought meat in the market than kids dying who need blood, isn't enough to wake you up. The core of any group is how they respect and cultivate the younger generation. Keeping them in a captive organization that uses family contact to blackmail and coerce people into staying. Let's not get into the 2 witness rule and the horrifying damage it has caused over the years. You can't build a religious doctrine that is abusive to kids and doesn't protect them What you've got there is a cult. The rooster has crowed three times. You're cover is blown
@@survivingparadisepodcast you don't believe in God so what are you talking about? It is hypocritical for you to even celebrate Christmas. Romans 14:6 comment Yes to the Lord, and you don't give the Lord what has leaven or lies or paganism which Christmas is full of. You do not makes holy what God has not. As the Bible shows light has nothing to do with darkness. No it is not a personal decision it involves God too.
@bretherenlee Wouldn't it save time if you just lead off with where you're ultimately heading, i.e. judging people and then condemning them to Hell for disagreeing with your claims? Why the facade of sincerity?
@@adamantiumbullet9215 what are you talking about? Do you judge murder and stealing as wrong? Do you judge black people as less than? The Bible condemns murder and stealing and racism. But as long as there is time people can change. Christians are to hate what is bad not hate people.
@renlee1404 So, you're going to lead off with strawman arguments _before_ getting to the judgments? Okay. What does any of your retort have to do with your original post or my question to you? No one here (including your OP) is talking about murder, stealing or racism. Try to follow the bouncing ball. EVERY post I've ever seen from you leads to judging and condemning people who disagree with you. My suggestion was to get there sooner than later and save everyone here a lot of time. *"But as long as there is time people can change",* *"the question is are you in harmony with it"* = your launch pad for sanctimony. Just get to it. We all know where you're headed.
Brethernlee is just a sad troll. He doesn't have the strength of mind or character to think for himself. He's too busy trolling threads to have acquired any accurate understanding of scripture. He seems proud or oblivious to the fact that the action of trolling doesn't just make him look like a callous jerk to you but everyone else as well. Let him proudly stand on the shoulders of the victims of the blood policy, two witness rule and shunning, just to name a few. Totally respect your restraint in not celebrating birthdays but can we deal with the CSA coverup before addressing the policy on facial hair. I mean if you're going to have new light, maybe you could ask xenuhovah to make victims a priority mext time your on the line with him
@@melioratewithnate you must really be upset with the Catholic church? Are you saying a person should be convicted by one accusation? Are you saying no to what the bible says at 2 Corinthians 13:1? Are you an atheist?
@bretherenlee1404 I'm actually saying you have no real purpose commenting other than to cause trouble but now that you mention it...the jw stance on beards is interesting...do you think they'll modernize their other essential doctrines like the 2 witness rule or not reporting abusers to police from the start. What forensic, child psychology, or investigative background do the elders have. What training? I think the 2 witness rule has destroyed more lives then the absolutely senseless blood policy. When the word bloodguilt becomes irony and reality... I don't think elders are in any place to handle CSA and the fact that they don't report predators to police makes them a danger to society in general. I don't cherry pick the Bible or religions. That said, if it was the truth then why are so many lies told in court trying to defend it. Also, I didn't realize the jws use 2 corinthians...after all they don't consider it with regards to their shunning policies
You can say whatever you want regarding religious organizations and I'm with you on that. The Bible is clear that we will be judged individually not based on an affiliation, but I draw the line when you mock God, therefore, as of today, I'm unsubscribed from your "channel of communication." (pun intended:-) I hope for your sake, and for the sake of others that you influence, you will reconsider your place with God before it's too late. The organization's new light implying that we can jump on the bandwagon at the last minute is flawed and misleading, it's equivalent to playing Russian Roulette.
And there it is. "blippity blap...before it's too late." Just how many centuries of people repeating those very words need to pass before you all realize there is no "too late". There will be no Armageddon. There will never even be a period where peace and security is claimed globally. That's required, right? Never going to happen. Certainly wouldn't in the next 1000 years. He didn't mock "your" god. He mocked the Jehovah that the JWs lay claim to. I'm not sure why you'd expect, at the very least an agnostic, to have any respect for a god that there is no evidence of. It's puzzling.
*"but I draw the line when you mock God"* Examples, please. *"I hope for your sake... you will reconsider your place with God before it's too late."* Believers just CANNOT comment on anything without including threats in their comments.
They can keep their bandwagon. I wouldnt jump on it for love nor life! The point is that they are preying on people & cause untold damage to especially children.
"Sky Daddy" and "Talking snake" are played out catch phrases used by Atheists that do in fact mock God and the Bible, ergo, it mocks not only God, but the very people who still believe in Him. A lesser form of mockery but still mockery nonetheless are his references to "Noah part time boat builder zoologist guy" "Garden party" "A guy named Moses" "Jehovah the boss that He is" "We got to get that fuzzy guy Paul involved" are all subtle ways to poke fun at believers by using mockery and sarcasm. What threat? I'm just stating fact. @@adamantiumbullet9215
Heather, if you had to make a split second choice between life and death I have no doubt which one you would choose. Even Lloyd Evans who has vowed to fight God to the bitter end, if he were thrown a life jacket I have zero doubt that he would take it. @@heatherwillson4862
@bretherenlee Wouldn't it save time if you just lead off with where you're ultimately heading, i.e. judging people and then condemning them to Hell for disagreeing with your claims? Why the facade of sincerity?
@@adamantiumbullet9215 no I described people who like their ears tickled therefore easily misled. This is why propaganda and disinformation are so effective. People do not love truth. Those that love truth focus on facts not claims. They thoroughly investigate
Video popped up again and I see that I already watched and liked it 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 I asked where did they come from and was told that they have always been there. Genx born-in and was NEVER baptized because it didn't make sense and that was way before the internet 🫶🫶
As a child, I started noticing people in the congregation who were unreliable, ne're do wells, impulsive. In my early 20's, I noticed that the elders & the org were constantly jerking us around. Then I read the Bible thru & the actions of the Isrealites were enough to drive anyone crazy! And even worse, Jehovah was so petulant, ego maniacal, bi-polar, impulsive, unjust & cruel. Who is going to follow that? The bible says, " You will know them by their fruits"! My real dad demonstrated true stability for me. Thanks dad! Such great reasoning, Surviving! Your biological dad missed out on knowing a great person. 💙
YES.....Jehovah's character is quite a subject...the Israelites would have been a great reality show :) Awww, thank you Heather, that is SO sweet!
Beautifully executed episode
Thank you so much!
As always interesting questions about the need of an organisation !
Thanks Digi!
Yo man this one was 🔥! I remember when I was a youngster I asked my parents what happened to people knowing about Jehovah between Jesus’ death and Charles Taze Russell and they couldn’t give me a real answer. Just some bs about Jehovah’s name being lost or something. I used to ask the same questions as you Stacey and never got intelligent answers. I knew once I was 18 I was gonna bounce.
The name "Jehovah" was never lost because it wasn't invented until 1530 A.D. by William Tyndale. Not only invented, but a grammatical impossibility having nothing to do with YHWH. So much for that WT fiction.
Thank you! I heard the same ridiculous 'explanations'.... that, and the glazed over look in their eyes when you asked the question
Another fantastic presentation Stacy! I hope more people can just stop to think. Freedom is priceless.
Thank you so much, it truly is!!
Wonderfull monday, hello from Austria.
And uk
Me too
Thank you! WOW, would love to visit!
Wow!@@paulathomas2132
Awww yeeaaahhh my Dude Stacy Let's do this 🎉🎉🎉🎉😊
Thanks Munch! :)
As always Stacy....I love your channel....even tho I am no longer a jw....I am still a Christian who tries to love everyone to the best of my ability....but I can not wait for the Watchtower to crumble! They have destroyed so many lives and families
Thanks Robert, we definitely have that in common....the crumbling has begun!!
Thank you Stacey! how Simple it is to just Research what these 9 Guys Are feeding there Org. Its all right there, From the Bible and Yet People like my Parents just won't look beyond what they are being told. Very Sad!
YES!! That is all people need, the Bible and their own literature.....the worst of the worst is under their noses
Always love the way you set things out so simply! Great episode! Hope you are doing well my friend! 🩷
Thank you so much, I hope you're doing well!! :)
@@survivingparadisepodcast ☺️yup!
Well, this one was your best podcast by now, Stacey. Saluti from snowy Italy!
Thank you!! I need to visit ALL of Italy!!!
On the one hand, they say that Jehovah has always had his own organization, and on the other, that since the 2nd century C.E. until the creation of the modern organization, there were only individuals faithful to God. This is mutually exclusive.
YES, this......always individuals, ZERO org
Thank you for the podcast.
Thank you for listening!
Really enjoyed that- thanks for all your hard work
Thank you for being here!!
King David’s “file” LOL
LOL, you get it!
The cow palace! I haven't heard this in years lol
I forgot.. thanks
Did you go there?? Oh yeah, grew up roaming those halls! LOL
Great video! Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱
WOW, I love all these countries checking in!!
@@survivingparadisepodcast It's like an everlasting international convention💪🏼♥️😊
But better! :) @@EL-IZ-At-BETH-sarim
Thanks for making this video!
Thanks Queen!!
Fantastic work again
Thank you Julie!
Cow Palace.. oh boy, does that place bring back memories.
I went from a “worldly” tween teen going there for rock & metal concerts, to a 20’s/30’s jdub going to 3-4 day conventions, to a 50 something going there for g u n shows. That place has memories all across the board. 😂😂
Okay, going to keep to keep listening.
Remember all the concert pictures on the walls? All that 'debasing music'.....we all had the albums and cassettes LOL!!!
@@survivingparadisepodcast The last time I went there was for a g u n show. The pics are still on the walls. It was like going back in time. Kinda ghostly in way. KISS played there in 79. I was barely a tween. My Dad (it was his weekend to pretend like he was a dad & cared) dropped my friend & I off for the concert, then forgot to pick us up. We had to use the pay phone across the street at that liquor store to call him. 😂😂😂
I only had one sock left on my feet because I always pushed my way to the front & both shoes & the other sock came off in the crowd. 😂😂 Awesome times. Maybe why I eventually became a security supervisor for live shows. Lmao.
But ya, all that evil music right? Playing the albums backwards and all. 😂😈
Once a rebel, always a rebel.
I remember the elders telling my ex that I was too dominant. He never cared before we got into the cult. I just told him to act like the husband & not like a wife. 😂😂
Such a wonderful freedom being out of that mind control, gaslighting billion dollar cult.
Life … ya just gotta love all the twists & turns. Only a sense of humor & a doctorate degree in sarcasm will get you through in one piece. 💪🏼😂🍻😉
LOL, I love it!!!! We were the same dude!! I pushed my way to the front in several concerts.....all debasing music! LOL@@jackijax505
@@survivingparadisepodcast Dudette 😂😂😂😂
@@survivingparadisepodcast With a security shirt I just walk up there now. 😂😂😂
Thank you! 💚
thank YOU
Excellent, podcast this week. Excellent research points utilizing both their bible & historical literature.
Last checked, I searched the word “organization” through an archive JW site that has every publication printed from 1879 - present, & that word was mentioned some 11,000 times, which is odd since it appears 0 times in the Bible, & they claim their literature is bible based.
YES!!! Some great stats on this from Paul Grundy at JWfacts as well!!! Great job!!
Stacy, I never miss an episode. No doubt you have one of the best podcasts on TH-cam. Thanks for your due diligence in getting out the real truth!
Great job Stacey! (43:23) One of my favs to make me feel validated when all my power was depleted.
I'm so glad someone else loves that account!!
@@survivingparadisepodcast 🫂💞🤗
Thank you, Stacy, for another excellent video! Well-reasoned, and hilarious, too! 😄 I look forward to Mondays! Much Appreciated!! 😀⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Thanks Suzie....it's so easy to laugh at ;)
They started as IBS. It all makes sense. Irritating bible students. It's also why they chose Saturday mornings to knock on doors
Irritating is RIGHT!
IBS lol is that for irritable bowel syndrome. Or does it just cause it?
Lol i honestly got confused into thinking we were part Jewish growing up because we were part of "Jehovah’s Organization." Because the Isrealites were "Jehovah’s people" and we were "Jehovah’s people." And no one corrected me until i was 12 😂
LOL, OMG....that is the funniest thing I never considered!!! Am I Jewish?? LOL, I love it!!!
While you were an elder did you ever think it was unfair that normal witness didn't have the information in the elders book. Especially people who were niave to certain rules that elders knew about.
l was disfellowshiped 40 years ago and one of the most frustrating things to me was that l was told on multiple occasions about 15 years ago that if l had done now(15 years ago) what l had done 40 years ago l would not have been disfellowshipped no apology though.
Apparently they changed the condition of something being a one-off thing and 1 meeting of judicial to making a habit of something and having to be asked into several judicials.
That's the way it works. If you wanted to go back to WT, YOU would have to beg for _their_ forgiveness for violating a rule that has been 'new lighted' into obsolescence and is no longer applicable. WT never apologizes to anyone for anything.
YES!!! It was being an elder for many years that woke me up!!! Double standards, lies and more....I'm so sorry for what you've been through! They were DFing married people for oral sex in the 80's....insane!
100%@@adamantiumbullet9215
Thank you to all those witnesses and ex-witnesses who leak any and all documents to the world. You are appreciated and loved. Jesus said your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciple (John 13:35).
Excellent job as always!😊
Thank you!
Thanks Stacey, you've just threw me a life jacket!
I love that, thank you!!
Excellent presentation!!!
Thank you!!
👋🏼Thanks, Stacy! Really appreciate it.👍🏼❤
Thank you!
This one had me laughing, you made it so funny. Also made me ask myself why I didn't figure all of this out sooner.
LOL, thank you, I tried hard not to break out laughing!
If there was always an organization which I know that’s what they do teach, why do they at the same time teach that his modern-day organization was started up under Russell? And here’s the biggie if Jehovah always had an organization which means an organized people under his influence and control, then why did Russell start up an independent organization, why didn’t he just seek out and join God‘s already established existing organization if he has always had one, what would be the point to start up another one on your own when there was always an organization to run to for salvation?
So if there was always an organization as they teach that there has been, then wouldn’t Russell have to have gone to God’s existing organization for salvation? It is paradoxical, enigmatic, and makes no sense, does it. You cannot simultaneously have possession of your cake and eat it, too.
In other words, Russell cannot start up Jehovah organization as the Watchtower leadership teaches, and at the same time teach that Jehovah has always had an organization even up to Russell’s coming onto the scene. The leaders of JW. Org change the whole paradigm of organization and redefining what the word organization really is. What kind of organization is no organization at all? And that the GB teaches that by faith we must believe always existed but without logical provable evidence, because if God had an organization, surely he would’ve directed Charles Russell to his true active organization, and not start up something new to what Jehovah already had established since before the flood. How do JW’s get around this huge elephant in the room?By saying something moronic, like “it just wasn’t Jehovah‘s time to reveal his organization yet”, which really isn’t addressing the issue because they can’t, it’s like putting a square peg into a round hole trying to forcefully hammer it in where it doesn’t work.
All true and good questions covered in this episode!! It's ABSURD on every level....always has been. Cult.
The God who made the world and all the things in it, being, as he is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples; 25 nor is he served by human hands as if he needed anything, because he himself gives to all people life and breath and all things.- Acts 17:24-25
I tryed telling the ones I love this and I’ve come to the conclusion that they don’t believe Gods word 😢
A lot of people have trouble accepting that a book based on scrolls that no longer exist and was manipulated by kings and churches only to be selectively canonized with a specific agenda just is NOT the word of any god. He needs a book? Seriously?
@@Eric_01 well that’s the point of this scripture it says he doesn’t need anything in verse 25 … the point of the Bible is to read it and believe in God and he will come to you and tell you the truth and show you the way to him …. But if you don’t believe in him that’s when you get lost in “translation”
GREAT reference, thank you for the reminder!
Oh so true.....@@Eric_01
Their has to be Organization Somehow Stacy. I will Try to Form a Rebuttal but I have no patience. I want them to be right as the next One. Remember they said there will be things they'll do that don't look Sane or Logical. & What's more illogical the Walking in Circles for 40 yrs in the desert 🏜 but it worked out fine in the End for Were All Here Aren't We!!Well for now Were Here!🎉😂❤
I'd love to see your rebuttal, thank you for being here!
Best youtube yet. Why did Noah not get disfellowshipped or go before the elders because he was drunk? Oh yeah, the elders shredded their tablets so that we won't have proof.😂😂
LOL, Noah was a lot like many elders I knew.....alcohol was uh.....'okay'.....
Lol, I love how busy your childhood brain was! Funny, how children could think right past these pompous men! I always thought it was humorous that Jesus said, "Out of the mouths of babes."! Children tend to see past hypocracy because they are so innocent & pure.
Right? You don't realize it at the time, but I was thinking this stuff while I was young!
I was exercising patience for this one!
I believe that was a convention theme recently! ;)
And why does it only start at russle?? Where’s the history before that and why aren’t we learning it?! Nope only the Bible’s history
There is no history before Russell. He was part of some small group of students and broke out. The entire history of JWs is only about 130 years old.
Exactly....great question
I actually did a chronology calculation as an ex-JW elder too; so I was already familiar with the dates involved in which God had a congregation of people on earth who joined themselves in large numbers to try and obey his laws and speak about him to other nations. So basically, you have 3 periods of "organization". 1. the formation of the Israelite nation under Moses and the old law covenant, 2. the formation of the Christian congregation in the first and 2nd century; and 3. the formation of the modern day organization started by Russel and terminating in the 21st century of our day.
And all of the 55 years I was a zealous member I can't figure out why I never questioned that IGNORANT STATEMENT! So, in summary, out of about 6,045 of human existence; only about 1,290 years of it was represented by an organization of followers of the God Jehovah! So for 80% of the period that man has lived on the earth; God has had NO organization on earth representing him and using his name in their worship!
(34:56)So the "Darkness" is called, "New World Translation of the "Holy Scriptures"(NOT the Holy Bible)
A horrible translation....but they're ALL translations....
Once you hear Organisation you know it's all about money. So watchtower organisation it's a corporation aka money machine.
Bingo...... $$$
I left in 1999 after 25 years and haven’t looked back. Prior to becoming a JW in 1974 I was raised Lutheran but stopped attending in the Navy. After I left the JW’s I went back to default mode of no religion.
It took me a few years of therapy to get all of it behind me. I worry about you content creators dwelling on this and not moving on to live their best lives.
By way of example, I became a content creator for close to twenty years after leaving the JW’s but an entirely different type of content. Before I became a JW there was a Sprint Car owner in our family that introduced me to racing. After leaving the JW’s I setup a racing website and bought camera gear. I hooked up with a local racing paper and a magazine and had a lot of fun until I was 65 and shut it all down. Difference being that I did it for myself after sacrificing a quarter century.
It’s a recent phenomenon that it seems every “born in” that leaves the JW’s starts a channel. I don’t seek out ex JW content but I’m a TH-cam junky so it finds me. Stacy, you sound like a fun person to have a few beers with and unload on the WT. Your channel is interesting at times and frustrating when I beat myself up for converting to it. I believe I recall you saying that since leaving you have not joined another religion. Likewise for me, I was in “the truth” and found out it wasn’t true. I’m not looking for a version of JW lite or for another religion. I can’t imagine how someone who is no longer religious can “now if you’ll turn with me in your Bible while I read…”. I ran up a pretty healthy therapy bill to erase that stuff from my head. I hope that you know when to bail if this starts affecting you in a negative way.
Please dont ever beat yourself up for joining. We were all fooled at some piont. The important thing is that you figured it out & learned a great life lesson & wont be fooled again! What you said about getting that stuff out of our head has validity. But, in my case, I have all this useless info that hopefully I can use to help others & as long as I still have family in, there is hope I can do something with it. With family in, there is no real escape, & you need to stay honed & prepared.
I have one daughter who is still a JW but it’s not my job to “witness” to JW’s about why they should leave. We got out in 1999 before TH-cam and there was very little about it online. Back then when you left you just went out and lived your best life. That’s what we have done for 25 years and hope to continue into our 80’s. Today the only things I’m “honed and prepared” for is to grow the best herb and enjoy retirement before I go belly up. Hats off to anyone willing to devote their freedom from JW’s to dwelling on them. I got that simple advice from my therapist. It would make no sense to pay for expensive therapy to leave the JW stuff behind while still dwelling on their propaganda.
That can’t be good for the old mental health. I don’t care who it is, dwelling on this can cause a lot of problems.
All very good points!!! Trust me, I wanted NOTHING to do with talking about it for well over 10 years. NO interest....at all. I'd get mad when people wanted to engage. I was catching up on lost time. BUT......I turned on the microphone based on the dangers to children. I felt a responsibility to protect future kids from all of this....even in my own small way. My anger flares when it comes to the people who were children....harmed by these scummy organization. I couldn't be silent.....my goal was to help ONE child.....
Such kind and important words!@@heatherwillson4862
@@StanMNdirt
I agree with you...but my circumstances are different. I dont "witness" to family. They wouldnt listen if I did. I left over 20 yrs ago & very much went my own way. I devoted myself to my love of horses, animals & the outdoors. I had a job that was my dream. I live in a remote area & work outdoors to my hearts content. The day Im not prepared & honed will be the day Im ready to see the view underground.
If you feel that way, then I wonder why you are here, listening & commenting?
If it wasn't for people in the Organization, no one else would go out in service to spread the word, that takes a special kind of people. Especially for free, and heartfelt.
I want to be sure I'm understanding: are you saying the organization is necessary? Or just good hearted people? Thanks for being here!
Not today
Am late...but I made it!!!
There he is!
I will enter into the spiritual paradise shortly and hope I “survive “😆
Watch where you step ;)
@@survivingparadisepodcast 😄😀it was wonderful, thank you!
There is only one man God commissioned us to listen to:
“This is my Son, the beloved, in whom I am well pleased, LISTEN TO HIM”
Any denomination or group or individual or even bible writer that ‘does not’ point you to the words of the Christ is misleading you.
One God YeHoVaH, one Messiah Yeshua
I'm so sorry. None of that happened. It'll take a while for that to sink in.
@@Eric_01 you don’t need to ‘apologise’ or patronise, I am not a child, God is real.
@@fLUKEYdNb
*"God is real"*
Please post your most compelling argument here proving this CLAIM is true.
*"One God YeHoVaH, one Messiah Yeshua"*
Nearly 2 BILLION Muslims, 1.2 BILLION Hindus, Orthodox Jews and thousands of other religions would disagree with you on this one.
*"point you to the words of the Christ"*
The Bible contains no words of Christ. Not one. What it does contain is *hearsay* written decades after the fictional events occurred and invented by anonymous writers.
You are a deep thinker! JW messed up when loss you! I read 4 books might peek your interest..God Delusion by Rich Dawkins , Recapture the Rapture Rethinking God by Jamie Wheal , Guns Germs and Steel, and Collapse both books by Jared Diamond
Jehovah seems to have a ton of problems. He can't do anything without 'his people' always on deck somewhere around the world. Yet he's supposed to be almighty. Huh? 😂
Jehovah is co-dependent ;)
Evolution is defeated
Wrong.
@@Eric_01 when did you see some evolution so we all can believe?
Is it? How so?
@@survivingparadisepodcast when did you see some evolution so we all can believe?
@@bretherenlee1404 I watched your brain devolve in real time as you go to as many EXJW videos trolling as you can. You're getting worse at it, meaning less effective. Sad that the pile of dying people as a result of the blood doctrine, which was more lenient to those who bought meat in the market than kids dying who need blood, isn't enough to wake you up. The core of any group is how they respect and cultivate the younger generation. Keeping them in a captive organization that uses family contact to blackmail and coerce people into staying. Let's not get into the 2 witness rule and the horrifying damage it has caused over the years. You can't build a religious doctrine that is abusive to kids and doesn't protect them What you've got there is a cult. The rooster has crowed three times. You're cover is blown
Is this a no to Christmas for that word is not in the bible?
Everyone already knows that Christmas is made up and not even remotely the birthdate of JC.
@@Eric_01
brethrenlee likes the Saturnalia. It makes him feel good.
Romans 14:6 is a good place to reason on all celebrations.... not mentioned, nor condemned.....up to each person
@@survivingparadisepodcast
Including Arbor Day? Awesome!
@@survivingparadisepodcast you don't believe in God so what are you talking about? It is hypocritical for you to even celebrate Christmas.
Romans 14:6 comment
Yes to the Lord, and you don't give the Lord what has leaven or lies or paganism which Christmas is full of. You do not makes holy what God has not. As the Bible shows light has nothing to do with darkness. No it is not a personal decision it involves God too.
Are you against rebellion?
Are you bored and have nothing important to do with your life? I'll answer that - YES!
God's organization is in the heavens the question is are you in harmony with it.
Wrong.
@@Eric_01 are you saying God does not run an organization in heaven that He does not have order there? prove that
@bretherenlee
Wouldn't it save time if you just lead off with where you're ultimately heading, i.e. judging people and then condemning them to Hell for disagreeing with your claims?
Why the facade of sincerity?
@@adamantiumbullet9215 what are you talking about? Do you judge murder and stealing as wrong? Do you judge black people as less than?
The Bible condemns murder and stealing and racism. But as long as there is time people can change. Christians are to hate what is bad not hate people.
@renlee1404
So, you're going to lead off with strawman arguments _before_ getting to the judgments? Okay.
What does any of your retort have to do with your original post or my question to you? No one here (including your OP) is talking about murder, stealing or racism. Try to follow the bouncing ball.
EVERY post I've ever seen from you leads to judging and condemning people who disagree with you. My suggestion was to get there sooner than later and save everyone here a lot of time.
*"But as long as there is time people can change",* *"the question is are you in harmony with it"* = your launch pad for sanctimony. Just get to it. We all know where you're headed.
Is this a no to atheism and the trinity?
No such thing as a trinity.
We are all born atheists. You only become a theist when you give in to religious propaganda and stop thinking critically.
Brethernlee is just a sad troll. He doesn't have the strength of mind or character to think for himself. He's too busy trolling threads to have acquired any accurate understanding of scripture. He seems proud or oblivious to the fact that the action of trolling doesn't just make him look like a callous jerk to you but everyone else as well. Let him proudly stand on the shoulders of the victims of the blood policy, two witness rule and shunning, just to name a few. Totally respect your restraint in not celebrating birthdays but can we deal with the CSA coverup before addressing the policy on facial hair. I mean if you're going to have new light, maybe you could ask xenuhovah to make victims a priority mext time your on the line with him
@@melioratewithnate you must really be upset with the Catholic church? Are you saying a person should be convicted by one accusation? Are you saying no to what the bible says at
2 Corinthians 13:1? Are you an atheist?
@bretherenlee1404 I'm actually saying you have no real purpose commenting other than to cause trouble but now that you mention it...the jw stance on beards is interesting...do you think they'll modernize their other essential doctrines like the 2 witness rule or not reporting abusers to police from the start. What forensic, child psychology, or investigative background do the elders have. What training? I think the 2 witness rule has destroyed more lives then the absolutely senseless blood policy. When the word bloodguilt becomes irony and reality... I don't think elders are in any place to handle CSA and the fact that they don't report predators to police makes them a danger to society in general. I don't cherry pick the Bible or religions. That said, if it was the truth then why are so many lies told in court trying to defend it.
Also, I didn't realize the jws use 2 corinthians...after all they don't consider it with regards to their shunning policies
You can say whatever you want regarding religious organizations and I'm with you on that. The Bible is clear that we will be judged individually not based on an affiliation, but I draw the line when you mock God, therefore, as of today, I'm unsubscribed from your "channel of communication." (pun intended:-) I hope for your sake, and for the sake of others that you influence, you will reconsider your place with God before it's too late. The organization's new light implying that we can jump on the bandwagon at the last minute is flawed and misleading, it's equivalent to playing Russian Roulette.
And there it is. "blippity blap...before it's too late." Just how many centuries of people repeating those very words need to pass before you all realize there is no "too late". There will be no Armageddon. There will never even be a period where peace and security is claimed globally. That's required, right? Never going to happen. Certainly wouldn't in the next 1000 years.
He didn't mock "your" god. He mocked the Jehovah that the JWs lay claim to. I'm not sure why you'd expect, at the very least an agnostic, to have any respect for a god that there is no evidence of. It's puzzling.
*"but I draw the line when you mock God"*
Examples, please.
*"I hope for your sake... you will reconsider your place with God before it's too late."*
Believers just CANNOT comment on anything without including threats in their comments.
They can keep their bandwagon. I wouldnt jump on it for love nor life! The point is that they are preying on people & cause untold damage to especially children.
"Sky Daddy" and "Talking snake" are played out catch phrases used by Atheists that do in fact mock God and the Bible, ergo, it mocks not only God, but the very people who still believe in Him. A lesser form of mockery but still mockery nonetheless are his references to "Noah part time boat builder zoologist guy" "Garden party" "A guy named Moses" "Jehovah the boss that He is" "We got to get that fuzzy guy Paul involved" are all subtle ways to poke fun at believers by using mockery and sarcasm.
What threat? I'm just stating fact. @@adamantiumbullet9215
Heather, if you had to make a split second choice between life and death I have no doubt which one you would choose. Even Lloyd Evans who has vowed to fight God to the bitter end, if he were thrown a life jacket I have zero doubt that he would take it. @@heatherwillson4862
God is a God of order this He organizes His people. Your focus is on claims not reality.
Order? There are 45,000 different Christian religions globally. That's organization?!
@bretherenlee
Wouldn't it save time if you just lead off with where you're ultimately heading, i.e. judging people and then condemning them to Hell for disagreeing with your claims?
Why the facade of sincerity?
*"Your focus is on claims not reality."*
LOL. You just described RELIGION.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 no I described people who like their ears tickled therefore easily misled. This is why propaganda and disinformation are so effective. People do not love truth. Those that love truth focus on facts not claims. They thoroughly investigate
*"God is a God of order this He organizes His people"*
*"God's organization is in the heavens"*
THESE ARE CLAIMS.
Video popped up again and I see that I already watched and liked it 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 I asked where did they come from and was told that they have always been there. Genx born-in and was NEVER baptized because it didn't make sense and that was way before the internet 🫶🫶