Flash Villain: “I will destroy the whole city😈” Flash and Iris: “you don’t need to do this, I know what you are going through” Flash Villain: “wait, you do?!?😀”
They should’ve use whoever was in the Godspeed costume for episode 16 and the voice because let’s be honest the actor who’s playing him nothing against him but the dude is way too skinny for a costume and the voice is incredibly ridiculous like what the hell
Madvocate wasnt picking apart the fight scenes so much as picking apart the writing that goes into these fight scenes and how it basically ripples throughout all of the Flashs overarcing plot.
Maybe that was his intention, but he basically just talked about the fight scenes, including their setups and endings. Mostly just about how illogical they all are.
Not to mention, his videos also cover things like who lives/dies/gets saved or not, as a direct result of those fights, which also affects the plot and the impact of the emotional moments.
yeah I don't see how you can separate the two things. The fight scenes, how they are written and how they play out have a huge impact on the story. I don't know he thinks these two things are mutually exclusive things that don't impact each other.
CW: "The Speed Force is dead." Me, who's read the comics: ... then how is anybody/anything moving? You know the lore is that the Speed Force in DC is a fundamental force of the universe that effects all momentum, right? CW: "..." Me: Shit like this is why I stopped watching after season 1.
TBF, the speed force breaking has been a topic in the comics since around 2018. And given the foreshadowing of Savitar's prison, it seems it's sticking around as a concept.
@@maninthecamohat2735 Not really. The CW made the distinction in personifying the speed force as a living entity that can die. Meanwhile in the comics, the fear was burning out the speed force, which would have the same result of not being able to access speed.
Bro comics are not the same as the tv show if the show doesn't explain the Speed Force in DC is a fundamental force of the universe that affects all momentum then it's not. Comic and TV Show universes aren't the same.
Producer Guy: So now that the speed forces is dead, it's gonna be really hard for Flash to get his speed back. Screenwriter Guy: Actually it's gonna be super easy, barely an inconvinience. Producer Guy: Oh, really? Screenwriter Guy: Yeah, Barry and Iris's love for each other creates a spark that rebirths the speed force. Producer Guy: The love of two human beings, rebirths a multidimensional entity? Screenwriter Guy: No! Producer Guy: Oh! Screenwriter Guy: It also creates 3 more multidimensional entities. Producer Guy: Oh My God! Screenwriter Guy: And they call Barry and Iris their Mom and Dad! Producer Guy: Please Stop!
I'm just gonna add that the way that it was originally created in the Flash comics is Barry, by creating a paradox, he created it and it expands to all space and time so it could be there when Barry was supposed to obtain his powers. If instead of there love it was Barry sacrificing his speed to recreate the speed force (not an artificial one but the true speed force) and in doing so he found a way to regain it, it would be a better idea and tie into how without Barry there isn't a speed force just like how without the speed force there is no Flash
I just hate that no matter who the villain is, Iris is like “we don’t need to fight them let’s just talk to them for 30mins & they’ll give up and become good guys”. So he’s the “fastest man alive” yet EVERY speedster is faster than him.
no, every speedster is not faster than him. Bart is slower, Nora is slower, Thawne is slower, Iris is slower, Wally is slower, Jesse (was) slower (she's dead now, I guess). this reads like a comment from someone who hasn't watched the show since Season 2 and thinks in the intro you still hear "My name is Barry Allen"
@@sakaririchard8810 I think the complaint is not that Barry remains as the slowest speedster, but that every time a new speedster villain appears its always "guys, he's faster than me, I cant beat him". It doesnt matter that now he is faster than all the previous speedsters that appeared and got beaten. Also, there are plenty of other problems.
@@rickeysanders2106 uuuuh no, villain doesnt have to be more powerful to be a threat. Even the simple fact that a villain is willing to hurt innocent people and the one instigating the conflict are advantageous enough to be a threat while not having any superpowers at all. Add even a weaker speedster power with a few new techniques for Barry to figure out, and that would be more than enough to make the conflict entertaining. Add something more, like actual planning and superior intellect and it will only get better. If the antagonist is a non speedster then either let them have a power that can interfere with Barry's powers, make him ess effective or something like that. If the antagonist doesnt have any of that, they dont qualify as an antagonist and should be either taken down immediately, or maybe even offscreened. Why? Cause no matter what you do with them, they will either be annoying, boring, or worse - both. You can have such villains as comic relief characters, but not as serious antagonists that have actual screentime. Why the criteria are so strict? Cause Barry's superspeed breaks and exploits physics, while also providing him with multiple other bullshit advantages (bullshit reaction speed, healing factor, thought acceleration, etc.). Its a top tier power package, so by default the enemies HAVE to be top tier threats as well, not just some guy who can make a mini hurricane.
Madvocate’s criticisms of season 1 and 2 don’t just break down the fight scenes. They show where the fight scenes break down the plot. If a fight should have been over instantly, as you recognize, then entire episodes just shouldn’t have happened.
Like he said in the video, the fight scenes only serve to push the plot. Ofc Barry would have ended some of the episodes in 5 mins, that fact is being acknowledged and he’s accepted that they won’t make sense. The vid clearly said that in the first 4 minutes.
They just couldn't do something entertaining (at least a lot of people think that it is) and that make sense at same time with a speedster, but honestly, I think it is possible, they just couldn't
18:14 Apparently the Godspeed of the comics is an extreme vigilante type trying to get Barry to see that some evil people deserve to die which sounds better than show Godspeed's cliche "I shall become a god" thing.
Give Jason Todd the Speed Force and you can picture Godspeed... Although this is quite surface level, since even Godspeed himself said he doesn't want to be seen as the "baddie" of the group.
@@therealpat_ nah season 5 atleast had fighting and interesting moments even though Nora was a little annoying along with the villain being lame. But this season removed two of the best characters of the show as regulars, the villains were given no substance, the whole season was talking, and the best episode of the season (the speed thinking one) went literally no where.
@@alius9392 season 6 and 7 are equally as bad, season 5 was when all the chracters started turning stupid and always letting the villains escape. Even Supergirl characters are smarter than them
I understand why they wanted to try something new after 83249 speedster fights. But this... Imagine how cool it could have looked if that happened during a chase, where they threw lightning at each other and then... just caught it - followed by a Lightning saber fight in superspeed (slow-motion).
Fight scenes are pretty indicative of the writing quality of the story tho. For exmaple: if Barry didn't stop to talk to zoom and actually put him in the pipeline his dad wouldn't be dead
I think the problem is they write the story and big plot points first and then insert the fights around them. So the writer's were like, "Barry's dad dies gets killed by Zoom in front of him" and then they work backwards from that, which causes fights to not make sense.
It's hard for me to understand how you can have scenes in a story, have characters blatantly forget their powers to fulfill the plot points they want, and still have proper stakes. I could totally understand if a fight scene is nonsensical but the outcome is the same (for example, you could say that the luke vs darth vader fight isnt well choreographed, but it's logical that vader wins). But in flash, whoever wins seems almost entirely arbitrary and based on the writer's whims. I'm trying to understand how to properly enjoy the show with this in mind, even in season 1 and 2.
Exactly. I didn’t really understand his point when he said “ I don’t care about fight scenes, only the story” when both are the same thing as fight scenes tell a story as well. Overall it’s just a poor excuse fir bad writing honestly
The whole point of speed is being able to surprise your enemies, move before your enemy can react. That's not the case in this show. Barry always has a 5 minute talk with some random meta with normal human reaction time and he still somehow loses. Like if he took a meta power dampening cuff, put it on the meta and then started talking i would understand but nooooo. Not to mention he makes the most stupid decisions despite him being able to think in flash time which by the way can make seconds into hours for barry at minimum. Heck, in comics, barry and wally can count in attosecond time frames which means a second to a human is equivalent to 31 billion years for barry and wally. They still somehow get destroyed because of poor writing
My biggest complaint is that the show seems like "Team Flash, guest starring The Flash" because at this point, side characters who shouldn't even be here anymore get more attention than Barry consistently. Why tf is Cecile still in the show? Why do you waste characters you already have yet continue to add pointless new ones with one episode of relevance at most? This is a problem that has plagued the show for *years* yet they do nothing about it because "hmmm, yes mommy" and all that. This show needs to end before it gets even worse.
And people also shit on shows for not giving side characters enough screentime. It should be more of in the middle, and Barry should be astronomically smarter then he is now. First few episodes, Barry was investigating a crime as a forensic scientist, and his syneastaia was evident, he could physically see the train tracks. He can also speedread a book of 1000 words in secends, WITH comprehension. Like, wtf? Then you have pretentious "scientists" who are somehow much smarter then the guy.
This season successfully obliterate all the barriers there is and ever was 1. They made a speedster villain uninteresting (which wasnt thought possible before) 2. They just ruined one of the most awesome concept and potential storyline from the comics (the forces arc) 3. They literally breaks all the power limitations by bringing the speedforce itself into a human form, turning it from a mysterious force of nature that you cannot control nor understand into just a person that you can bargain or reason with
Its so unfortunate because i actually enjoyed the Godspeed story in the comics but they completely butchered his character in the tv show and made him into some random dude who wants speed (basically a discount Zoom) with cheesy ass lines
In my wholeheartedly opinion, the show should've ended at the Crisis event. Honestly, it would've been a great series finale and if they wanted to keep it going, then they should've done a reboot of some sort and make it to where the event caused the multiverse to reset with new timelines or something like that.
The ballsy choice would've been to kill Barry in Crisis as originally projected, then have the rest of the shows lifetime be with Wally as main character. Kid Flash was wasted in this show, and this would've allowed the character to step up in a big way.
@@MstEli Honestly, that sounds a lot better to do than how the seasons actually progressed. Hell, I was hoping Wally would step up ever since he came back with a more spiritual connection to the Speed Connection.
The stupid part about barry being so much faster than thawne in the end is the fact that thawne seemed as fast as or faster than barry while chasing godspeed
@@alabamii in the comics yes. But in the show it's been stated like twice that barry is so much faster than thawne and the older speedsters now. Theres no mention of thawne getting fast right along side barry in the show, only the comics
@@wamas1234 I know barry is way faster rn, but my point is that thawne was able to keep pace with barry and godspeed and the fact that barry brought in thawne bc he needed help with godspeed
@@Lordship1021 no I understand what you're saying. I'm just laughing at the writers decision to make Barry let Thawne go in such an unlikely way considering who he is and what he can do *cough* *cough* start of season 8.
This show has a lot of good ideas, and fails miserably at all of them. In a good show, bringing back a season one villain to help in a later season because the hero is now completely able to handle them could be such a cool way to show growth and establish an interesting new dynamic. And this show just doesn't.
no but there are other consistent things in this series like iris who never stops talking, all wells are always doomed, Run barry, run and getting hit by things that are a lot slower then a flash
it also doesn't help when they reveal reverse flash to be so much weaker than the Flash that it basically looks like he's moving in slow motion. if godspeed is much faster than flash and Flash is much faster than Reverse Flash than shouldn't reverse flash have gotten his ass beat in that fight? why did it look like they were all comparable to each other when they clearly aren't
@@evenhartwick4422 yeah i thought of that too, i wasn't really necessary and looks like they tried to find a reason to bring him back. I was fine with the fact that reverse flash can't die bc he is an time paradoxon and that he will never be gone forever why not going with that.
I mean, The Flash as a media installment is over 80 years old , so there is a lot of source material and now and than a capable writer made some good storylines and characters for the comic. Hence "the good ideas" the CW Flash show tries to adapt but fails horribly at translating a comic book to an enjoyable TV show. The showwriters are bad, the channel they publish it for probably commands silly stuff yet has little money to spare for higher quality superhero effect stuff and let's be honest, with the execption of very few actors/actresses, the show struggles to get good people.
Why was Thon even there if Barry is SO much faster than him? What could he possibly contribute? It's like Superman calling Batman for help kicking down a door. Sure he's strong in his own right, but what the hell can Batman contribute in comparison?
I'm usually also not the one who complaints about every inconsistency with super-powers. But if the powers of your protagonist are so all over the place that you can't predict how even a single one of those encounter plays out, because the power is dependent on what the writer needs at that point in time, there is absolute no tension especially in a series where almost all conflicts are solved through "super-power"-battles.
I was in 4th grade when The Flash first aired. I remember hyping up to watch it weeks before the release and then settling in the living room every tuesday night to watch it, and then talk about the episode the next day with my best friend. I absolutely loved the show. Season 1 - 4th grade. Season 2 - 5th grade. Season 3 - 6th grade. I loved the show, and so did my best friend since kindergarten. Starting in 7th grade, I began to drift from my best friend and this show started to become progressively bad. The Flash had been a huge part of my life and was one of my favorite things in the world. I stopped having anyone to talk to about it, and watched through season 4 alone. Then came season 5. It sucked, and said friend and I have completely drifted. When season 6 aired, I had no desire what so ever to watch it. Mostly because the previous seasons sucked, but also because I associated The Flash with my best friend and our memories. I managed to watch 3 episodes of the 6th season on Netflix and laughed at how bad it was, but was happy because I felt a twinge of glee thinking about the actors who made part of my childhood and my best friend who i shared those memories with.
killer frost's plot: giving second chances, forgiving people's past mistakes and become a better person CW: Fired Sawyer cause of his long ago tweet that he most likely regretted
Chillblaine feels like a self-insert for a writer with sociopathic tendencies. He kills people, he admits to brutal human experimentation, and Frost still has feelings for him. Not to mention the incredibly cringy dialogue, and the fact that not one plot point of any scene he was in made any sense whatsoever. Oh, and I love the part where he's going on about "Oh, you can't even imagine what I could do with those powers!" And his epic new supervillain ability is putting ice on her face so she can't see... 10/10 reveal.
frrrrr. I love frost but her storyline was so shit especially when thy tried to set her up with chillblaine who should've been a weekly meta villain at most. Her and Cait should've stayed as one whole
@@antm4291 Yeah, when I heard there was a breakout at Iron Heights, I thought about all the villains they could've brought back. Instead, they brought back the worst in the series. Whyyyyyy?
@@vanidas5719 exactly, could’ve had em on the loose and Barry and to capture em again only this time they’re more experienced and mad sicne barry has locked em up for a while but nope let’s bring the most cringe and sexuslized character of all time but it’s the flash ran by Eric Wallace, idk why I even had expectations
@@vanidas5719 super agreed also go watch superman and lois instade I know flash was good ones but saddly I don't even think they can get close to that level now for me the dialogue is just so bad
Quick update well over a year later: the section at the beginning of this video where I low-key talked shit about Madvocate, accused him of being a copy-cat and undermined the importance of coherent fight scenes is all wrong and was frankly out of line. Madvocate is a cool dude and someone I consider a friend, and I’m honestly embarrassed to have ever said any of that stuff. Not taking the video down as this is still one of the vids I’m most proud of, but that section right at the beginning is wrong and in bad taste. My sincerest apologies to the Mad Lad.
You pointed out a good channel to me - and MauLer which I hadn't watched up until that point. Also another fellow Kenobi basher (which is how I got into your channel in first place) so I'd say it's better it was included than not--even if it was a bit of a rough inclusion.
Still disliking you and going right back over to him. Don't care if you're "friends", *we* aren't friends. What an elitist, backhanded, snide remark, too, calling out someone's content that's better than yours with baseless remarks. And then you say "whoopsy doopsy, I'm so sorry, we're fwends now" and that makes it better? How petty can you get?
Well Barry literally erased the original Caitlin and Cisco from the existence by creating Flashpoint, which is considered universal mass genocide, very fucked up right? The timeline we're seeing now is completely altered, it's not the original one that we've seen from S1 and S2, and that makes me feel really uncomfortable, no wonder why this show is beyond repair, they ruined everything.....
Barry might as well be going "Irredeemably evil criminal with no guilt for their actions whatsoever don't do this" then speeds off thinking just saying that will reform them right away.
Exactly, they need to learn in order to defeat the villains --- you have to kill them at times. not all villains can be redeemed by stupid prep talks about "this isn't you, you're better than this".
I genuinely hate what they did with the forces in the show, psych is now just a cringe version of freddy krueger, fuerza is just a damsel in distress and they replaced steadfast with deon. Bro wtf. Fuerza was a badass hero who protected her people against the corrupt government of her country, psych was a bad ass criminal who was a god gambler and a powerful villain in the sort of crime hierarchy and Steadfast was an awesome ally of the flash who also had a cool mystical element to his personality, now Fuerza is a scared girl with amnesia who sometimes turns into an albino hulk, Psych is now a cringe villain with a clunky suit who’s only power is fear or some shit and “Deon” is a scared kid who’s so insecure he just plays god and doesn’t seek help. After that, they instantly become good guys and talk like it's a horrible sibling fetish video on Pornhub. "Hello sister", like fr stfu. (BTW love the Ryan George reference lol). Edit: I also forgot to mention this, why the fuck does the turtle still exist? And how do his powers work if the still force isn’t present in him. (And technically the still force isn’t the same as in the comics but whatever) This storyline raises so many damn questions that kinda ruin the continuity of the show. (With the sage force especially)
Fuerza made me so upset because I LOVED her. I LOVED her. She wanted to arm wrestle superman. She wanted to save her country. This version is barely even a shadow.
Not only that, they also Butchered the Still Force. Still Force isn't a Time Manipulation Force, it was simply a Force that was the opposite of Speed Force, being that it slows Everything Else down instead of Speeding Yourself up. The Force Wars wasn't even about Family, it was about Barry trying to learn more about the different Force while Losing his Speed and protecting every New Force Users from Black Flash. I hope one day, these Characters get a Proper personality and introduction.
Eric Wallace has admitted that when he first came on to the show in Season 4, there were a bunch of new writers that came along with him. You can see Eric slowly replacing Todd's role on the show even ever since S4, as he was part of the writing team and wrote a couple of key episodes, then became an executive producer in S5 and after that, became the sole executive producer AKA the showrunner in S6. The writing is on the wall. Todd Helbing has done so good at Superman & Lois, and he wrote a very very good black character in John Henry Irons. Race isn't the issue here, it's a matter of competence or lack thereof.
man, just resurrect Savitar and have him kill all the villain, he wouldn't have trouble doing that, maybe he's not as fast as the current Barry but who care, not like Barry was using speed to fight anyway.
i'm still fucking salty they "redeemed" so many villains this season but Savitar, the emotionally broken Barry who lost everything, had to be killed off
The fact you think he should kill every villian ONLY is hilarious. He should also kill Cisco, Caitlin, Frost, Chester, Ralph, Iris, Barry, Godspeed, Thawne, Eva Mcculloh, SpeedForce Nora, Deon, Allegra, Timeless Wells, Fuerza, Psych, Cecile, Kristin Kramer and literally EVERYONE ELSE IN CENTRAL CITY (excluding Joe West he's a champ and he should live.)
@@ryannightcore6737 you know Thawne could do the same right, he should be as fast as Savitar at this point, probably because he's not that hearthless and willing to kill innocent people except the flash and everyone he love, oh wait... the flash love the whole city. nevermind, I still don't get why villians like Thawne don't just kill radom civilian in the city, like he's a speedster, he could kill them all within a night and the flash is to blame since he give him a body and let him run away while he HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH speed to capture him in Star Labs, oh wait he was busy set up a wedding out of nowhere.
The potential the show could’ve had if they actually killed off Iris in season 3. This could’ve made things so interesting. Seeing Barry deal with it and trying to avoid turning into how he was in the alternate future where he abandons everyone could’ve been really interesting. Maybe when he fought crime he would’ve been more aggressive and no longer tries to talk down criminals
@@KS-db3we Naw, naw he's on to something. S1 and S2, better then Mr "Killing is bad" daredevil. The Punisher's the best superhero show because he kills people throughout the whole thing. Daredevil overall is better then Arrow, but if we're just looking at when the shows were at their peak, nothing can beat Arrow.
@@nolimitsayy Daredevil is far better than Arrow. It stayed the superhero show it was supposed to be unlike Arrow which ended up all about Oliver and Felicity's out of nowhere relationship.
Also whipping lasso of truth lightning was pretty awful, toss nora west-allen some more trash as if anyone actually ever wanted to see her again after how crap Season 5 was.
At this point I'm rooting for Thawne to ruin Barry's life. In the comics Thawne's hatred of Barry is irrational, insane and petty and shown to be such. But through bad writing they've made show Thawne completely justified in hating show Barry. At least when Thawne does evil things they're portrayed as and shown to be evil and unjustified. And Thawne's changing time is shown to be wrong with him admitting that him changing time is selfish and only for his benefit. Whereas Barry has gone from the hero who protected the innocent he was in Season 1 and 2 to a selfish horny prick who only cares about saving Iris. And despite Barry's time changes being just as selfish as Thawne's he was portrayed as heroic and selfless for going back to save his mother when he wasn't.
You gotta understand that the fight scenes being poorly written doesn't just affect those scenes, they have an effect on the entire show because a majority of episodes in the Flash are just a villain of the week story. So if the villain isn't convincing as an antagonist, then the main conflict of the episode doesn't make sense. A villain that Madvocate really hammered this home with was Captain Cold, because as Madvocate says, "he's just a guy with a gun", which is someone who Barry should be able to take down with ease. Yet, he doesn't and Captain Cold goes on to serve as a villain for like 4 episodes in season 1 despite the fact that he should've been captured in his first appearance. These bad fight scenes make it feel as if a majority of the episodes in the show shouldn't have happened, which of course, negatively affects the story.
exactly someone finally said it. We aren't expecting action scenes on par with volume 1 of RWBY. All we are asking for is the plot to not hindge on the flash forgetting that he has super powers.
I blame the CW bad writing etc, Stargirl is a great show by far and has less budget, I hope they do S8 actually good, if not I see S&L and Stargirl going better.
@@kevmasengale6903 Back then, I was thinking that they weren’t gonna be able to stop savitar even if they teamed up. Savitar would’ve killed iris and became a god, and then reverse flash would’ve been like “I know how to stop this from happening... by killing you as a child.” And then they would’ve travelled back in time to the point where his mother died. Would’ve came full circle if they did that. Since they wasted that opportunity we get it so much later in season 7 where it doesn’t make sense at all in the context of things.
I like how they have all of the Wells’ sacrifice themselves in order to create a new Speedforce only for it to be destroyed the next episode and have it be rebuilt the episode after that.
flash season 7 cant even be counted as actual tv, it seems that the script was made by 5 year olds, the acting seems like the actors are actively contemplating suicide and wondering how their life lead them to such a terrible show, and there are like 10 moments in every episode that are so cringe that I feel the urge to bleach my eyes and ears
i genuinely feel sorry for the actors, might just be me but they seemed to put so much more into their performances in seasons 1 - 3(maybe 4), now they just seem miserable
The only thing that I really enjoyed all season was the look on Barry's face when he could not stop smiling because of the new rainbow raider. I didn't like anything about the scene's story or anything like that but with that smile, I could not stop laughing.
You said "the lightsaber fight" and I instantly liked. I've given this show a lot of leeway but that shit made me turn off the finale half way through. Oh yeah, and "Chillblaine" made me want to claw my eyes out every second he and Frost had to do anything on screen
YOU WOULD THINK THE LAST SCENE IS EDITED BUT IT’S DEADASS THAT CRINGE 😂 Holy shit. Honestly for me I got into the Flash a lil late, I binged the 1st 3 seasons, I think they were the best. 4 and up haven’t lived up to the emotions I 1st felt watching this show. It’s gotten to the point I’ll miss weeks, skip parts of the show or just not care. A show you enjoy shouldnt be that way at all. It’s so sad. Cause I think Grant is genuinely great but isn’t given great material. Barry is just a terrible character at this point and the supporting cast has fell off so hard. Should’ve kept and developed the core 3. But oh well, maybe once this show ends we’ll look back and realize the show wasn’t that bad…Nah 😂
agree with everithing but I dont think it will change because a. it's too late b. the writing and plot makes no sense c. the writers are just scared to make a drastic change
The new writers should have modeled the newer material off of what the old writers did. I mean seriously, why would you so drastically change the way you make a show if it’s clear that the entire audience loves it how it already is? The flash used to be a show full of cinematic action sequences, incredible music, intense drama and a moving and emotional story with high stakes involved. Now the show is just so bland, the choices the characters make just make zero sense and Barry feels like a side character in his own show. Even practical things such as the camera angles and the lighting just feel off and don’t give the flash that feeling that it used to have.
Imma be honest, no matter how bad or cringy the show gets, I’m still gonna watch it, not because I enjoy torturing myself but I’m just used to finishing whatever show or movie I start
I remember watching it and thinking at the season finale: "Why do they have lightsabers" and "how do you make objects from lightning?" I know in the comics the speed force could make constructs, like power rings, but what? It just came out of nowhere.
You know, I have always wondered about that rip-off lightsaber fight. So, Barry got Thawne to come back to fight Godspeed, right? And in that little “fight” they used their speed, right? Well, if they said that since Godspeed got faster because he absorbed all of his clones and is now heaps faster than Barry, and it was also shown that Barry is HEAPS faster than Thawne, then why tf even bring him into this???? He shouldn’t have even been able to keep up with them!!!!
18:31 Which is ironic considering all of Barry's big bads keep dying in the season finales. Oliver kills people (sometimes) and he still has Big Bads show up later down the line show wise.
@Raijin I stopped watching the show around Season 5 because Cicada getting away 108293 times made me pissed tf off and I couldn’t take it anymore so I quit. Sometimes I tap in to see what’s the show like and gosh damn seeing Cecil with powers and Barry (THE FLASH AND A FORENSIC SCIENTIST) still relying on a WHOLE TEAM OF PEOPLE in SEASON 7!!!!! To tell him how to run fast. And thawne lost his charm and Barry and his dynamic was flushed down the drain when Barry said “I feel sorry for you thawne because you can’t love.” WHO IS WRITING ALL THIS LOVE AND COMPASSION SHIT. No thanks I’ll watch Arrow.
@Raijin I grew up watching flash and obsessing over it. The irony is the guy who hates the flash the most obsessed over him as much as I did and I ended up hating him. I remember watching arrow for the first time and not liking it but I was a kid so i preferred the goofy and wackiness of the flash. But as I got older I started to like arrow way more and like all the seasons of the arrow even the worst one Season 4 but the flash died for me when cicada got away for the millionth time.
I’m sorry but watching a normal man do all this incredible shit gets old af on the cross over with the Nazis I watched this man stop a construction building from falling using only arrows man get tf outta here but rs the flash is more real then the arrow with all of flash cgi shit is tragic
I at least hope that season 8 does a proper speedster villain. I was hyped to have a speedster be the villain, but they literally have godspeed go toe to toe with normal people. At least Thawnes plot next season will actually involve speed
When they had their lightsaber battle, I honestly started laughing. Also, they have to let Tom Cavanagh (Harrison Wells) go, the writers are overusing him too much just for the character to do nothing. I also skipped Bart’s singing in the last episode because it was too cringey
At this point I'm just rewatching the first season or two plus a few good episodes of The Flash, Supergirl, and Green Arrow and imagining the rest to go the way I want it to go.
honestly, i'm so glad i stopped watching this show after the crisis.. now i'm just enjoying the shitshow from the sidelines and simply being glad that i dodged that bullet. "what are you doing step godspeed" /10
I love how Killer Frost had a "The World isn't Black and White" moment in S5 and when it was Chillblaine's Turn to have that moment she was like "Nah, you're either good or evil"
I think at this point if everyone just accepts that this is a "Flash family team up show" and less of a show about a singular hero going through trials and tribulations to grow stronger, you'll enjoy it more. which, tbh, the show has pretty much been since around S3 when Wally and Jesse were introduced as speedsters and they framed it like Wally would defeat Savitar (even though he never did). it's way easier to do that now as well, considering the whole "My name is Barry Allen" thing isn't even the intro for the show anymore, and instead just a montage of all the characters and snippets from moments in the show's history.
I agree completely with this comment. That mentality carried me as far as the beginning of season 6. The problem is, the show STILL keeps getting worse and worse, and even I, who likes bad shows or movies, couldn't take it anymore.
Wow, you perfectly summed up every opinion I had about this season and why it sucks, thank you. I still can't believe people are saying the Godspeed stuff was good, or any of it for that matter.
The problem with how the flash presents talk no jutsu is that the writers don't understand what makes that concept work in the first place. When Naruto used talk no jutsu it was always AFTER he defeated his enemies. Naruto had ideals which always conflicted with his villains. But he never tried to change their minds mid battle. He did so after he bested them which is how you win an argument in that verse because ur words are empty if you don't have the strength to act on it. Flash will literally try to change his villains mind mid battle and it comes off incredibly jarring
I mean, you can do it mid-battle, cause Spider-Man is a Character who had used "Talk no Jutsu" and it never felt stupid, it always made sense within the story and enhanced the Battle. An Example would be in Marvel's Spider-Man in the final battle against Doctor Octopus. Another example can also be done where The Main Character gets defeated, and because the motivation of the villain is an ideological motive, the MC talks to them to give them their perspective on the Matter.
Baligong Spider-Man's instances of trying to talk down his villains are miles better than the Flash's Talk No Jutsu because 1. Most of the villains he tries to talk down are those that are close to him on a personal level. Doctor Octopus from Marvel's Spider Man was his mentor, idol, and father figure. Eddie Brock from Spectacular Spider-Man was his oldest friend and practically his older brother, etc. 2. He knows when to stop talking and fight. In Marvel's Spider Man, it was when Doctor Octopus revealed he knew his identity the whole time and thus fully knew he was hurting his beloved pupil who he saw as a son. In The Spectacular Spider-Man, it was when Eddie became Venom and Peter, having experienced the symbiote's corruptive influence before, understandably sympathized and tried to save Eddie despite the latter actively putting Gwen's life in danger at the time. But he gave up on trying to talk him down when Eddie established that he was in control and had always secretly resented Peter for having a better life despite similar past circumstances and focused all his effort on saving Gwen.
“I was a kid when I watched them” Yeah flash has not always been entirely logical and made sense. The show being believable wasn’t why I wanted to watch it, but it’s definitely fallen much worse.
tbh that's how DC was back then during the Silver Age --- most stuff not making any logical sense and such, but i think as time went on it started to make sense in some sorts but at the other half some things just still doesn't make any sense. even though i love DC, they have some improving to do --- especially with CW and with the bad writing and sorts.
i really wanna imagine that every season is a joke and the writers are like "jk, let's restart this show" and then do everything right with the show but i know they're serious
Flash in a nutshell: Thawne: "I WILL get faster than you Barry, and I will destroy you." Barry: "Well, I will get even faster then." Thawne: "Then I will get even faster than THAT!" Barry: "I'll get twice as faster than you after that." Thawne: "I'll get a thousand TIMES as fast then!" Barry: "I'll get infinitely faster then!" Thawne: "Then I'll get faster infinity times two!" Literally anyone watching: "Fucking kill me please."
When I look back (fondly) on Season 1, I realise that it is the nostalgia of it that is what makes me remember it fondly (and I hate nostalgia being used as an argument). The season used a lot of 'mystery box' to drum up intrigue, dropping lots of hints at the deeper story to come. And they worked, because the first time we saw Reverse Flash in the present, the first time we saw Grodd, these were fun and exciting. But the story wasn't that great in the end (it was predictable and stupid in places), and if you rewatch it, it isn't as good, because not only do you know what is coming, the characters have been done to death. For example, when Grodd pitched up in Season 2, was it as exciting as it was in the 1st season? What about in Season 3? Diminishing returns, right? And you said that yourself with Eobard once again turning up. They should have left him out after the Black Flash erased him, ever since then it has just been stupid that he keeps turning up wearing Tom Cavanagh's face with some dumb excuse as to why he is still alive and why he isn't wearing his real face.
The thing is they know people are just gonna keep watching cause cw fans are literally mouth breathers and are why we dc fans don’t get good shit cause they are like why make that expensive shit when we can make another inexpensive cw show.
except viewership for the flash has been dropping significantly, with this season barely cracking 1mil avg, while seasons 1 and 2 were firmly in the 4mil range
9:52 and basically every other time in season 1 and 2 and 5 and 7 has been about daddy issues. Flash has daddy issues. I feel like Mr. Krabs now "Please make it STOP make it STOP!".
I’m so glad that I stopped watching the arrowverse. It just needs to end already aside from Superman and Lois. Everything after Crisis has basically been ran into the ground and it’s all just mediocre television at this point. The only good thing to come from The Flash anymore are the videos you make about it.
Jay Garrick is not even Bart's uncle, he's Barry's friend 😂 If Godspeed is considered Bart's "thawne" for killing his friend, then Zoom is also considered "Thawne" for killing Barry's dad and Savitar is also considered Barry's "Thawne" for killing HR Wells
Madvocates videos are great. I just found your channel recently and your videos while different than Madvocates are also great and I've really been enjoying them. Great video bro and I look forward to more!
“The CW, it’s been seven years, you still owe us better CGI”
Gotta respect this comment. If you disagree I have a lawyer and we’ll send you to the death. and you can’t escape with the SpeedForce this time. 😎
It's better than the gunshots from arrow season 1
Ik
@@JohnGodfrey141 Nice, so I wasn't the only one to get it :)
I'd take better writing over better CGI every time
Flash Villain: “I will destroy the whole city😈”
Flash and Iris: “you don’t need to do this, I know what you are going through”
Flash Villain: “wait, you do?!?😀”
You know what's better?
Flash: Let's talk in the hallway.
Flash Villain:😀
STEVEN UNIVERSE
the flash sooo ass
Damn, never thought naruto would have a live action adaptation
:D “you don’t understand! I will take over this world!”
I wanna be one of those guys in the Godspeed costumes that just...standing there M E N A C I N G LY !
Godspeed: Oh? Your approaching me Flash?
Flash: I can’t beat the s*** out of you without running closer.
@@gmax98 Godspeed: then run as close as you like
They should’ve use whoever was in the Godspeed costume for episode 16 and the voice because let’s be honest the actor who’s playing him nothing against him but the dude is way too skinny for a costume and the voice is incredibly ridiculous like what the hell
@@ansutoure5583 ikr godspped,s voice is so bad he sounds like a power ranger villain lol
Ko
Madvocate wasnt picking apart the fight scenes so much as picking apart the writing that goes into these fight scenes and how it basically ripples throughout all of the Flashs overarcing plot.
Maybe that was his intention, but he basically just talked about the fight scenes, including their setups and endings. Mostly just about how illogical they all are.
@@kingacrisius Because of the writing that goes into it. It wasnt just his intention, he did what he set out to do lol.
Not to mention, his videos also cover things like who lives/dies/gets saved or not, as a direct result of those fights, which also affects the plot and the impact of the emotional moments.
He started doing it in S4 vid
yeah I don't see how you can separate the two things. The fight scenes, how they are written and how they play out have a huge impact on the story.
I don't know he thinks these two things are mutually exclusive things that don't impact each other.
CW: "The Speed Force is dead."
Me, who's read the comics: ... then how is anybody/anything moving? You know the lore is that the Speed Force in DC is a fundamental force of the universe that effects all momentum, right?
CW: "..."
Me: Shit like this is why I stopped watching after season 1.
TBF, the speed force breaking has been a topic in the comics since around 2018. And given the foreshadowing of Savitar's prison, it seems it's sticking around as a concept.
@@johnandrews8312
The speed force breaking is completely different than the speed force dying.
@@maninthecamohat2735 Not really. The CW made the distinction in personifying the speed force as a living entity that can die. Meanwhile in the comics, the fear was burning out the speed force, which would have the same result of not being able to access speed.
season 2 and 3 are bearable dw
Bro comics are not the same as the tv show if the show doesn't explain the Speed Force in DC is a fundamental force of the universe that affects all momentum then it's not. Comic and TV Show universes aren't the same.
Producer Guy: So now that the speed forces is dead, it's gonna be really hard for Flash to get his speed back.
Screenwriter Guy: Actually it's gonna be super easy, barely an inconvinience.
Producer Guy: Oh, really?
Screenwriter Guy: Yeah, Barry and Iris's love for each other creates a spark that rebirths the speed force.
Producer Guy: The love of two human beings, rebirths a multidimensional entity?
Screenwriter Guy: No!
Producer Guy: Oh!
Screenwriter Guy: It also creates 3 more multidimensional entities.
Producer Guy: Oh My God!
Screenwriter Guy: And they call Barry and Iris their Mom and Dad!
Producer Guy: Please Stop!
wow is this really a thing? I havent watched this season
I agree 100
@@przemor1150 pls don't
for your own good just don't
@@przemor1150 if I were you I would just watch episodes 1,2,3 and 15,16,17,18
I'm just gonna add that the way that it was originally created in the Flash comics is Barry, by creating a paradox, he created it and it expands to all space and time so it could be there when Barry was supposed to obtain his powers. If instead of there love it was Barry sacrificing his speed to recreate the speed force (not an artificial one but the true speed force) and in doing so he found a way to regain it, it would be a better idea and tie into how without Barry there isn't a speed force just like how without the speed force there is no Flash
The entire final episode of season 7 is just lightning. No speed just lightning, thor could have replaced barry it wouldn't make a difference
No it would make more sense
@@spiceboyog9083 True. Also I just noticed how everyone shoots lightning and then just sits and waits for everyone else
How dare you not appreciate the lightning shurikens, lightning whip, and lightning sword
@@firesnakex8 Don't forget about the lightning captain america shield/ salad bowl
It was star wars.
I just hate that no matter who the villain is, Iris is like “we don’t need to fight them let’s just talk to them for 30mins & they’ll give up and become good guys”.
So he’s the “fastest man alive” yet EVERY speedster is faster than him.
no, every speedster is not faster than him. Bart is slower, Nora is slower, Thawne is slower, Iris is slower, Wally is slower, Jesse (was) slower (she's dead now, I guess). this reads like a comment from someone who hasn't watched the show since Season 2 and thinks in the intro you still hear "My name is Barry Allen"
@@sakaririchard8810 I think the complaint is not that Barry remains as the slowest speedster, but that every time a new speedster villain appears its always "guys, he's faster than me, I cant beat him". It doesnt matter that now he is faster than all the previous speedsters that appeared and got beaten. Also, there are plenty of other problems.
I mean how is he a villain if he’s not Competition the villain is suppose to make him faster
@@rickeysanders2106 uuuuh no, villain doesnt have to be more powerful to be a threat. Even the simple fact that a villain is willing to hurt innocent people and the one instigating the conflict are advantageous enough to be a threat while not having any superpowers at all. Add even a weaker speedster power with a few new techniques for Barry to figure out, and that would be more than enough to make the conflict entertaining. Add something more, like actual planning and superior intellect and it will only get better. If the antagonist is a non speedster then either let them have a power that can interfere with Barry's powers, make him ess effective or something like that. If the antagonist doesnt have any of that, they dont qualify as an antagonist and should be either taken down immediately, or maybe even offscreened. Why? Cause no matter what you do with them, they will either be annoying, boring, or worse - both. You can have such villains as comic relief characters, but not as serious antagonists that have actual screentime.
Why the criteria are so strict? Cause Barry's superspeed breaks and exploits physics, while also providing him with multiple other bullshit advantages (bullshit reaction speed, healing factor, thought acceleration, etc.). Its a top tier power package, so by default the enemies HAVE to be top tier threats as well, not just some guy who can make a mini hurricane.
Yeah know except wally.... and bart.... and nora... and Jay.... and thawne
"Wells is dead, what are we going to do?"
"No worries, just go get one of the others from storage."
Madvocate’s criticisms of season 1 and 2 don’t just break down the fight scenes. They show where the fight scenes break down the plot. If a fight should have been over instantly, as you recognize, then entire episodes just shouldn’t have happened.
Like he said in the video, the fight scenes only serve to push the plot. Ofc Barry would have ended some of the episodes in 5 mins, that fact is being acknowledged and he’s accepted that they won’t make sense. The vid clearly said that in the first 4 minutes.
@@imallsoupedup But if the entire conflict within the story is built upon narrative contrivances, that's bad writing.
@@calemr i completely agree with you, i think the flash is written poorly
They just couldn't do something entertaining (at least a lot of people think that it is) and that make sense at same time with a speedster, but honestly, I think it is possible, they just couldn't
This comment my thoughts exactly
18:14 Apparently the Godspeed of the comics is an extreme vigilante type trying to get Barry to see that some evil people deserve to die which sounds better than show Godspeed's cliche "I shall become a god" thing.
Godspeed is one of the only anti-hero speedsters. Sounds awesome doesn’t it
Yea it woulda been nice
The only thing they kept was his name and his costume, and his costume was his best part (coincidence, I THINK NOT)
@@legolad7477 He was basically Savitar in a spandex suit instead of a robot one.
Give Jason Todd the Speed Force and you can picture Godspeed... Although this is quite surface level, since even Godspeed himself said he doesn't want to be seen as the "baddie" of the group.
@@Xehanort10
And more Stereotypical too, because at least Savitar wasn't just doing evil stuff for the sake of being Evil
The only thing that made Thawn bearable during the finale was Tom Cavanaugh's amazing performance, as always.
Francly im tired of Tom, still love him but its quite burned and Matt should come back
@@dansandoval9330 i agree. Tom’s rf is overused and matt’s performance is soooo much better
Actually I'm only watching because of Cavanaugh
If they keep "using" his cameos like this, it will get old at a point. A good actor can only do so much if the writing is shit.
@Enyaba i say its better. tom’s rf only worked bcs he was playing two personas. after season 1, his rf wasnt really all that impactful to me atleast.
Can't wait for "flash season 8 is the worst season yet" video
Well they keep on outdoing themselves on how bad this shitty show can get
Honesty season 7 wasn t that bad💀 Season 5 may forever be the worst one
@@therealpat_ srry but season 7 was and is that bad
@@therealpat_ nah season 5 atleast had fighting and interesting moments even though Nora was a little annoying along with the villain being lame. But this season removed two of the best characters of the show as regulars, the villains were given no substance, the whole season was talking, and the best episode of the season (the speed thinking one) went literally no where.
@@alius9392 season 6 and 7 are equally as bad, season 5 was when all the chracters started turning stupid and always letting the villains escape. Even Supergirl characters are smarter than them
Barry's mom calls him dad, Barry's foster sister is his wife. The writers couldn't even get basic relationships right.
I still can’t believe they actually thought a speedster lightsaber duel was a good idea and wouldn’t look incredibly stupid
I understand why they wanted to try something new after 83249 speedster fights. But this...
Imagine how cool it could have looked if that happened during a chase, where they threw lightning at each other and then... just caught it - followed by a Lightning saber fight in superspeed (slow-motion).
They could have made it cool by making them fight at hight speed. But noooooo They just stand there and swing them around.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 it would still look goofy. barely anyone likes the idea of speed force constructs. nobody liked them in the comics either
@@ninjafrog6966 Yeah but It would still be alot better if it wasn't just static movement.
Fight scenes are pretty indicative of the writing quality of the story tho. For exmaple: if Barry didn't stop to talk to zoom and actually put him in the pipeline his dad wouldn't be dead
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I think the problem is they write the story and big plot points first and then insert the fights around them. So the writer's were like, "Barry's dad dies gets killed by Zoom in front of him" and then they work backwards from that, which causes fights to not make sense.
It's hard for me to understand how you can have scenes in a story, have characters blatantly forget their powers to fulfill the plot points they want, and still have proper stakes. I could totally understand if a fight scene is nonsensical but the outcome is the same (for example, you could say that the luke vs darth vader fight isnt well choreographed, but it's logical that vader wins). But in flash, whoever wins seems almost entirely arbitrary and based on the writer's whims. I'm trying to understand how to properly enjoy the show with this in mind, even in season 1 and 2.
Exactly. I didn’t really understand his point when he said “ I don’t care about fight scenes, only the story” when both are the same thing as fight scenes tell a story as well.
Overall it’s just a poor excuse fir bad writing honestly
The whole point of speed is being able to surprise your enemies, move before your enemy can react. That's not the case in this show. Barry always has a 5 minute talk with some random meta with normal human reaction time and he still somehow loses. Like if he took a meta power dampening cuff, put it on the meta and then started talking i would understand but nooooo. Not to mention he makes the most stupid decisions despite him being able to think in flash time which by the way can make seconds into hours for barry at minimum. Heck, in comics, barry and wally can count in attosecond time frames which means a second to a human is equivalent to 31 billion years for barry and wally. They still somehow get destroyed because of poor writing
My biggest complaint is that the show seems like "Team Flash, guest starring The Flash" because at this point, side characters who shouldn't even be here anymore get more attention than Barry consistently. Why tf is Cecile still in the show? Why do you waste characters you already have yet continue to add pointless new ones with one episode of relevance at most? This is a problem that has plagued the show for *years* yet they do nothing about it because "hmmm, yes mommy" and all that. This show needs to end before it gets even worse.
And people also shit on shows for not giving side characters enough screentime. It should be more of in the middle, and Barry should be astronomically smarter then he is now. First few episodes, Barry was investigating a crime as a forensic scientist, and his syneastaia was evident, he could physically see the train tracks. He can also speedread a book of 1000 words in secends, WITH comprehension. Like, wtf? Then you have pretentious "scientists" who are somehow much smarter then the guy.
Don't worry one more season!
Eobard Thawn Barry never gets smarter
@@eobardthawn6903 agreed
@@scribbr5730 I hope it's only one more. And that maybe they can do it right.
This season successfully obliterate all the barriers there is and ever was
1. They made a speedster villain uninteresting (which wasnt thought possible before)
2. They just ruined one of the most awesome concept and potential storyline from the comics (the forces arc)
3. They literally breaks all the power limitations by bringing the speedforce itself into a human form, turning it from a mysterious force of nature that you cannot control nor understand into just a person that you can bargain or reason with
wasnt the forces story in the comics already bad?
@@arkamkage7718 it is, but the concept is cool and the potential for the series is huge, atleast until it wasnt
And call Mom
Its so unfortunate because i actually enjoyed the Godspeed story in the comics but they completely butchered his character in the tv show and made him into some random dude who wants speed (basically a discount Zoom) with cheesy ass lines
@@Astro_Mochi what’s the comic series that has Godspeed called?
"I'm Bart Allen AKA Impulse and I'm the dumbest piece of shit alive" that caught me off guard lmao 💀
In my wholeheartedly opinion, the show should've ended at the Crisis event. Honestly, it would've been a great series finale and if they wanted to keep it going, then they should've done a reboot of some sort and make it to where the event caused the multiverse to reset with new timelines or something like that.
agreed bro but instead we got some light saber type shit in the last ep
@@36912conflict Should have ended at the season 3 finale. It was a good ending, the hero sacrificing himself to save the world.
@@phantompillows Yeah, that also would've been a good series finale if they didn't want to do Crisis.
The ballsy choice would've been to kill Barry in Crisis as originally projected, then have the rest of the shows lifetime be with Wally as main character. Kid Flash was wasted in this show, and this would've allowed the character to step up in a big way.
@@MstEli Honestly, that sounds a lot better to do than how the seasons actually progressed. Hell, I was hoping Wally would step up ever since he came back with a more spiritual connection to the Speed Connection.
The stupid part about barry being so much faster than thawne in the end is the fact that thawne seemed as fast as or faster than barry while chasing godspeed
Also, doesn’t Thawne get faster anytime Barry gets faster because of the negative speedforce shit?
@@alabamii in the comics yes. But in the show it's been stated like twice that barry is so much faster than thawne and the older speedsters now. Theres no mention of thawne getting fast right along side barry in the show, only the comics
@@Lordship1021 why do you think that Barry let Thawne go in season 7?
@@wamas1234 I know barry is way faster rn, but my point is that thawne was able to keep pace with barry and godspeed and the fact that barry brought in thawne bc he needed help with godspeed
@@Lordship1021 no I understand what you're saying. I'm just laughing at the writers decision to make Barry let Thawne go in such an unlikely way considering who he is and what he can do *cough* *cough* start of season 8.
This show has a lot of good ideas, and fails miserably at all of them. In a good show, bringing back a season one villain to help in a later season because the hero is now completely able to handle them could be such a cool way to show growth and establish an interesting new dynamic. And this show just doesn't.
no but there are other consistent things in this series like iris who never stops talking, all wells are always doomed, Run barry, run and getting hit by things that are a lot slower then a flash
it also doesn't help when they reveal reverse flash to be so much weaker than the Flash that it basically looks like he's moving in slow motion. if godspeed is much faster than flash and Flash is much faster than Reverse Flash than shouldn't reverse flash have gotten his ass beat in that fight? why did it look like they were all comparable to each other when they clearly aren't
@@evenhartwick4422 yeah i thought of that too, i wasn't really necessary and looks like they tried to find a reason to bring him back. I was fine with the fact that reverse flash can't die bc he is an time paradoxon and that he will never be gone forever why not going with that.
I mean, The Flash as a media installment is over 80 years old , so there is a lot of source material and now and than a capable writer made some good storylines and characters for the comic. Hence "the good ideas" the CW Flash show tries to adapt but fails horribly at translating a comic book to an enjoyable TV show. The showwriters are bad, the channel they publish it for probably commands silly stuff yet has little money to spare for higher quality superhero effect stuff and let's be honest, with the execption of very few actors/actresses, the show struggles to get good people.
Why was Thon even there if Barry is SO much faster than him? What could he possibly contribute?
It's like Superman calling Batman for help kicking down a door. Sure he's strong in his own right, but what the hell can Batman contribute in comparison?
"Doesn't that make thawne the father of all meta humans?"
Yes, Thawne is daddy
Based
Apparently Tom Cavanaugh is a DILF now
@@sabrel4975 always has been
I read that in Veronica Lodge's voice.
*meta daddy
I'm usually also not the one who complaints about every inconsistency with super-powers. But if the powers of your protagonist are so all over the place that you can't predict how even a single one of those encounter plays out, because the power is dependent on what the writer needs at that point in time, there is absolute no tension especially in a series where almost all conflicts are solved through "super-power"-battles.
I was in 4th grade when The Flash first aired. I remember hyping up to watch it weeks before the release and then settling in the living room every tuesday night to watch it, and then talk about the episode the next day with my best friend. I absolutely loved the show. Season 1 - 4th grade. Season 2 - 5th grade. Season 3 - 6th grade. I loved the show, and so did my best friend since kindergarten. Starting in 7th grade, I began to drift from my best friend and this show started to become progressively bad. The Flash had been a huge part of my life and was one of my favorite things in the world. I stopped having anyone to talk to about it, and watched through season 4 alone. Then came season 5. It sucked, and said friend and I have completely drifted. When season 6 aired, I had no desire what so ever to watch it. Mostly because the previous seasons sucked, but also because I associated The Flash with my best friend and our memories. I managed to watch 3 episodes of the 6th season on Netflix and laughed at how bad it was, but was happy because I felt a twinge of glee thinking about the actors who made part of my childhood and my best friend who i shared those memories with.
Season 5 was not so bad, but I agree
@@_Anakin_Skywalker mid at best to be honest
Lol you should watch season 9 and message that friend again asking what they thought of the finale
Jay: We’re not gods. We’re men, who for whatever reasons have been given extraordinary abilities
Godspeed: And I took that personally
**murders Jay**
Haha nice
@@Gundam_JAY what’s more better season 4 Arrow or season 7 flash
@@justinpereira4179 definitely season 7 flash. Flash never got ad a bad as arrow imo
Bruh-
@@jyrahoj152 well the gut isn't wrong
killer frost's plot: giving second chances, forgiving people's past mistakes and become a better person
CW: Fired Sawyer cause of his long ago tweet that he most likely regretted
This is a certified bruh moment
Because being a murderous psychopath is obviously better than saying mean words on the internet, _duh._
@@opinionatortv6457 especially when that was Ralph's character in season 4
Stopped watching after that. Then again, it’s not like the show has been worth watching anyway.
@@roshambo4137 because killer frost is a real person and her victims are real people too, duh /s
Chillblaine feels like a self-insert for a writer with sociopathic tendencies. He kills people, he admits to brutal human experimentation, and Frost still has feelings for him. Not to mention the incredibly cringy dialogue, and the fact that not one plot point of any scene he was in made any sense whatsoever.
Oh, and I love the part where he's going on about "Oh, you can't even imagine what I could do with those powers!" And his epic new supervillain ability is putting ice on her face so she can't see... 10/10 reveal.
frrrrr. I love frost but her storyline was so shit especially when thy tried to set her up with chillblaine who should've been a weekly meta villain at most. Her and Cait should've stayed as one whole
@@antm4291 Yeah, when I heard there was a breakout at Iron Heights, I thought about all the villains they could've brought back. Instead, they brought back the worst in the series. Whyyyyyy?
@@vanidas5719 exactly, could’ve had em on the loose and Barry and to capture em again only this time they’re more experienced and mad sicne barry has locked em up for a while but nope let’s bring the most cringe and sexuslized character of all time but it’s the flash ran by Eric Wallace, idk why I even had expectations
@@antm4291 Or they could've realized that Eric Wallace was the real villain, and banded together to take him down.
The possibilities are endless.
@@vanidas5719 super agreed
also go watch superman and lois instade
I know flash was good ones but saddly I don't even think they can get close to that level now for me the dialogue is just so bad
Quick update well over a year later: the section at the beginning of this video where I low-key talked shit about Madvocate, accused him of being a copy-cat and undermined the importance of coherent fight scenes is all wrong and was frankly out of line.
Madvocate is a cool dude and someone I consider a friend, and I’m honestly embarrassed to have ever said any of that stuff. Not taking the video down as this is still one of the vids I’m most proud of, but that section right at the beginning is wrong and in bad taste.
My sincerest apologies to the Mad Lad.
You pointed out a good channel to me - and MauLer which I hadn't watched up until that point.
Also another fellow Kenobi basher (which is how I got into your channel in first place) so I'd say it's better it was included than not--even if it was a bit of a rough inclusion.
Yeah I was gonna say that in the comments but then I saw your apology lol. Good video!
Yeah that felt really bizarre so I'm glad you addressed this
Still disliking you and going right back over to him. Don't care if you're "friends", *we* aren't friends. What an elitist, backhanded, snide remark, too, calling out someone's content that's better than yours with baseless remarks. And then you say "whoopsy doopsy, I'm so sorry, we're fwends now" and that makes it better? How petty can you get?
@@vampireguy24 👍🏻
Even a person evil as me, wouldn't dare use Flash S7 episodes as a torture method, it is too vile and cruel for my taste.
You thought that your first reply to your comment was gonna be something related but IT WAS I DIO
@@Real_V1nce Ah, DIO my nemesis, wanna go out for a drink, maybe get a steak?
It’s funny how catlin hasn’t properly been in the flash since season fucking 3...
Well Barry literally erased the original Caitlin and Cisco from the existence by creating Flashpoint, which is considered universal mass genocide, very fucked up right? The timeline we're seeing now is completely altered, it's not the original one that we've seen from S1 and S2, and that makes me feel really uncomfortable, no wonder why this show is beyond repair, they ruined everything.....
@@Spidey-oi5sn let’s also remember back in season fucking 1 when he went back in time a day and that was never addressed again.
@Toilet lol
@@Spidey-oi5sn It’d be funny if at the end of the show we find out all of these shit villains and horrible storylines are a result of flashpoint.
@@b3byb4t that would be the best excuse
YES! Finally someone is talking about how cringy those pep talks for villains are! Thank you!
If you hate season 7 of The Flash: th-cam.com/video/gLWocyWOOCE/w-d-xo.html
Barry might as well be going "Irredeemably evil criminal with no guilt for their actions whatsoever don't do this" then speeds off thinking just saying that will reform them right away.
Exactly, they need to learn in order to defeat the villains --- you have to kill them at times. not all villains can be redeemed by stupid prep talks about "this isn't you, you're better than this".
Like seriously, fuck the pep talks
Yeah like THEY DEFEATED THE MAIN VILLAIN OF S6 BY CONVINCING HER TO FUCKING STOP I SWEAR TO GOT I CANT
I genuinely hate what they did with the forces in the show, psych is now just a cringe version of freddy krueger, fuerza is just a damsel in distress and they replaced steadfast with deon. Bro wtf. Fuerza was a badass hero who protected her people against the corrupt government of her country, psych was a bad ass criminal who was a god gambler and a powerful villain in the sort of crime hierarchy and Steadfast was an awesome ally of the flash who also had a cool mystical element to his personality, now Fuerza is a scared girl with amnesia who sometimes turns into an albino hulk, Psych is now a cringe villain with a clunky suit who’s only power is fear or some shit and “Deon” is a scared kid who’s so insecure he just plays god and doesn’t seek help.
After that, they instantly become good guys and talk like it's a horrible sibling fetish video on Pornhub. "Hello sister", like fr stfu. (BTW love the Ryan George reference lol).
Edit: I also forgot to mention this, why the fuck does the turtle still exist? And how do his powers work if the still force isn’t present in him. (And technically the still force isn’t the same as in the comics but whatever) This storyline raises so many damn questions that kinda ruin the continuity of the show. (With the sage force especially)
Fr they felt unnecessary and irrelevant to ne
The mask made Psych look like Ivan Ooze from Power Rangers.
Fuerza made me so upset because I LOVED her. I LOVED her. She wanted to arm wrestle superman. She wanted to save her country.
This version is barely even a shadow.
Amen
Not only that, they also Butchered the Still Force.
Still Force isn't a Time Manipulation Force, it was simply a Force that was the opposite of Speed Force, being that it slows Everything Else down instead of Speeding Yourself up.
The Force Wars wasn't even about Family, it was about Barry trying to learn more about the different Force while Losing his Speed and protecting every New Force Users from Black Flash.
I hope one day, these Characters get a Proper personality and introduction.
Eric Wallace has admitted that when he first came on to the show in Season 4, there were a bunch of new writers that came along with him. You can see Eric slowly replacing Todd's role on the show even ever since S4, as he was part of the writing team and wrote a couple of key episodes, then became an executive producer in S5 and after that, became the sole executive producer AKA the showrunner in S6. The writing is on the wall. Todd Helbing has done so good at Superman & Lois, and he wrote a very very good black character in John Henry Irons. Race isn't the issue here, it's a matter of competence or lack thereof.
"It can't be the worst if there's something worse"- The Flash Season 4
That season is better than 3 imo. Maybe I just think that because he was the first non speedster villain. DeVoe was also quite strong.
“When season 7 is making me nostalgic for season 3”
You know shits bad when we miss Savitar
man, just resurrect Savitar and have him kill all the villain, he wouldn't have trouble doing that, maybe he's not as fast as the current Barry but who care, not like Barry was using speed to fight anyway.
i'm still fucking salty they "redeemed" so many villains this season but Savitar, the emotionally broken Barry who lost everything, had to be killed off
The fact you think he should kill every villian ONLY is hilarious. He should also kill Cisco, Caitlin, Frost, Chester, Ralph, Iris, Barry, Godspeed, Thawne, Eva Mcculloh, SpeedForce Nora, Deon, Allegra, Timeless Wells, Fuerza, Psych, Cecile, Kristin Kramer and literally EVERYONE ELSE IN CENTRAL CITY (excluding Joe West he's a champ and he should live.)
@@ryannightcore6737 you know Thawne could do the same right, he should be as fast as Savitar at this point, probably because he's not that hearthless and willing to kill innocent people except the flash and everyone he love, oh wait... the flash love the whole city. nevermind, I still don't get why villians like Thawne don't just kill radom civilian in the city, like he's a speedster, he could kill them all within a night and the flash is to blame since he give him a body and let him run away while he HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH speed to capture him in Star Labs, oh wait he was busy set up a wedding out of nowhere.
@@ZentoBrinebg One for Symphogear.
The best thumbnail I've seen in awhile. Take this like.
Everytime i see it i wanna laugh
Let's be real- The Flash series died when our hero HR died instead of that annoying Iris sh#t
The potential the show could’ve had if they actually killed off Iris in season 3. This could’ve made things so interesting. Seeing Barry deal with it and trying to avoid turning into how he was in the alternate future where he abandons everyone could’ve been really interesting. Maybe when he fought crime he would’ve been more aggressive and no longer tries to talk down criminals
Which season was it?
@@decadewgame9802 season 3 .
Yessss HR could've genuinely saved this show.
I had to rewatch Daredevil all over again just to remind myself that superhero shows can be fantastic and aren't all this bad
Daredevil is miles better than flash but not better than arrow yeah I said it
@@nolimitsayy Deathstroke was great
@@nolimitsayy I think I have just witnessed the dumbest take in the history of mankind.
@@KS-db3we Naw, naw he's on to something. S1 and S2, better then Mr "Killing is bad" daredevil.
The Punisher's the best superhero show because he kills people throughout the whole thing. Daredevil overall is better then Arrow, but if we're just looking at when the shows were at their peak, nothing can beat Arrow.
@@nolimitsayy Daredevil is far better than Arrow. It stayed the superhero show it was supposed to be unlike Arrow which ended up all about Oliver and Felicity's out of nowhere relationship.
Speed Force Lightsabers are THE BAT CREDIT CARD for a whole new generation of fans.
Also whipping lasso of truth lightning was pretty awful, toss nora west-allen some more trash as if anyone actually ever wanted to see her again after how crap Season 5 was.
No they're really not
@@_Anakin_Skywalker Your right, it's more like the batwoman version of the batmobile.
I hope flash season 8 starts with reverse flash killing everyone that berry loves
SAME
🍓 Aproves this
Spoken like a true god of Logic.
At this point I'm rooting for Thawne to ruin Barry's life. In the comics Thawne's hatred of Barry is irrational, insane and petty and shown to be such. But through bad writing they've made show Thawne completely justified in hating show Barry. At least when Thawne does evil things they're portrayed as and shown to be evil and unjustified. And Thawne's changing time is shown to be wrong with him admitting that him changing time is selfish and only for his benefit. Whereas Barry has gone from the hero who protected the innocent he was in Season 1 and 2 to a selfish horny prick who only cares about saving Iris. And despite Barry's time changes being just as selfish as Thawne's he was portrayed as heroic and selfless for going back to save his mother when he wasn't.
I so want that to happen
Fuerza punches Abrakadabra: *dies*
Fuerza punches Cisco: *minor damage*
Cisco had the greatest defence. Plot armour.
The dude took a hit literally everybody takes almost every episode and died
He was polka dot man in suicide squad, they always kill off characters whos actors are in other movies
Cisco is too powerful than Abrakadabra.
@@comixproviderftw_02 Both were humans tho.
Would Godspeed summoning lightning or absorbing his clones be classed as a "Sky Beam"?
Yes
No
Maybe idk
I think so
so we got 5 out of 7 now
"My name is Barry Allen, and I'm the fastest man alive"
*said by a dude running behind someone else*
You gotta understand that the fight scenes being poorly written doesn't just affect those scenes, they have an effect on the entire show because a majority of episodes in the Flash are just a villain of the week story. So if the villain isn't convincing as an antagonist, then the main conflict of the episode doesn't make sense. A villain that Madvocate really hammered this home with was Captain Cold, because as Madvocate says, "he's just a guy with a gun", which is someone who Barry should be able to take down with ease. Yet, he doesn't and Captain Cold goes on to serve as a villain for like 4 episodes in season 1 despite the fact that he should've been captured in his first appearance. These bad fight scenes make it feel as if a majority of the episodes in the show shouldn't have happened, which of course, negatively affects the story.
exactly someone finally said it. We aren't expecting action scenes on par with volume 1 of RWBY.
All we are asking for is the plot to not hindge on the flash forgetting that he has super powers.
I blame the CW bad writing etc, Stargirl is a great show by far and has less budget, I hope they do S8 actually good, if not I see S&L and Stargirl going better.
Thing is: Superman and Lois is essentially being done by HBO and CW just claiming it as their own.
Stargirl's Showrunner is the creator of Stargirl.
^
@@baligong3592 Yup I think that's part of the reasoning why both shows succeed but then again Titans sucks so who knows.
Creator of star girl wouldn’t let the show be trash
Superman and Lois and Stargirl are two masterpieces
Light saber fight threw me off thought I was watching Star Wars
SAMEE
Except I thought it was just a discount version of it
Flash and reverse flash teaming up should’ve been done WAY back in season 3 with savitar
Thawne would've loved to kill Barry
@@kevmasengale6903
Back then, I was thinking that they weren’t gonna be able to stop savitar even if they teamed up. Savitar would’ve killed iris and became a god, and then reverse flash would’ve been like “I know how to stop this from happening... by killing you as a child.”
And then they would’ve travelled back in time to the point where his mother died. Would’ve came full circle if they did that. Since they wasted that opportunity we get it so much later in season 7 where it doesn’t make sense at all in the context of things.
Wasn’t he already erased from the timeline by Black Flash before the Season 3 Finale?
@@ryannightcore6737 I meant he would go to the future to get the reverse flash to help him.
@@Z-A-C that would be fucking amazing
8:26 “that’s the thing about hate watching sheev..the more you do it the less you want to stop”
I like how they have all of the Wells’ sacrifice themselves in order to create a new Speedforce only for it to be destroyed the next episode and have it be rebuilt the episode after that.
flash season 7 cant even be counted as actual tv, it seems that the script was made by 5 year olds, the acting seems like the actors are actively contemplating suicide and wondering how their life lead them to such a terrible show, and there are like 10 moments in every episode that are so cringe that I feel the urge to bleach my eyes and ears
Season 7 is the worst season of the flash ever
i genuinely feel sorry for the actors, might just be me but they seemed to put so much more into their performances in seasons 1 - 3(maybe 4), now they just seem miserable
@@ZentoBrinebg yeah problay because of how bad the show has gotten
@@ZentoBrinebg especially Cisco
Eddie Thawne didn't just kill himself to erase Eobard from existence but because he saw the show's future.
The only thing that I really enjoyed all season was the look on Barry's face when he could not stop smiling because of the new rainbow raider. I didn't like anything about the scene's story or anything like that but with that smile, I could not stop laughing.
OH MY GOD YES
haha funny, 5 panels of barry doing shitty dances funny
How to fix half of the speedster vs speedster battles: Have lightning bolt special effects to show that they are going fast as they attack foes.
Bart in young justice: "that is so crash"
Me watching Bart in season 7: "this is a car crash"
flash fans: we want cooler fight scenes
the writers: have you ever seen the phantom menace before?
You said "the lightsaber fight" and I instantly liked. I've given this show a lot of leeway but that shit made me turn off the finale half way through.
Oh yeah, and "Chillblaine" made me want to claw my eyes out every second he and Frost had to do anything on screen
and it wasn't even a good lightsaber fight, it was essentially a kindergarten stick fight
I honestly thought it was too good of a stick fight because I don’t think any of them have experience but it looks like they are pros
Unlimited power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@ZentoBrinebg lmao
YOU WOULD THINK THE LAST SCENE IS EDITED BUT IT’S DEADASS THAT CRINGE 😂 Holy shit. Honestly for me I got into the Flash a lil late, I binged the 1st 3 seasons, I think they were the best. 4 and up haven’t lived up to the emotions I 1st felt watching this show. It’s gotten to the point I’ll miss weeks, skip parts of the show or just not care. A show you enjoy shouldnt be that way at all. It’s so sad. Cause I think Grant is genuinely great but isn’t given great material. Barry is just a terrible character at this point and the supporting cast has fell off so hard. Should’ve kept and developed the core 3. But oh well, maybe once this show ends we’ll look back and realize the show wasn’t that bad…Nah 😂
agree with everithing but I dont think it will change because
a. it's too late
b. the writing and plot makes no sense
c. the writers are just scared to make a drastic change
The new writers should have modeled the newer material off of what the old writers did. I mean seriously, why would you so drastically change the way you make a show if it’s clear that the entire audience loves it how it already is? The flash used to be a show full of cinematic action sequences, incredible music, intense drama and a moving and emotional story with high stakes involved. Now the show is just so bland, the choices the characters make just make zero sense and Barry feels like a side character in his own show. Even practical things such as the camera angles and the lighting just feel off and don’t give the flash that feeling that it used to have.
&WavvyDavis Same here, I agree
@Herbie Wares yeah..
@@תםצורף-פ7ר well. season 6a did give us a wonderful arc, o lets hope season 8 will be the same and give a wonderful end to the flash
Imma be honest, no matter how bad or cringy the show gets, I’m still gonna watch it, not because I enjoy torturing myself but I’m just used to finishing whatever show or movie I start
I used to be like you. Trust me, it's not worth it.
@@Xasew I know, it’s probably cuz of my OCD lol
Dude same man
@@Phantom-Agent-X ify on that
@@tonybablony2041 what’s "ify"
I haven't watched since season 3 and seeing that lightsabre fight between the 3 speedsters was the most stupidest things I've seen in my life...
I remember watching it and thinking at the season finale:
"Why do they have lightsabers"
and
"how do you make objects from lightning?"
I know in the comics the speed force could make constructs, like power rings, but what? It just came out of nowhere.
"Don't end on a good note, end on a bad note so you can be happy when it ends" - Me 2021
The fact that Cisco did nothing in season 7 made me made
Made me made?
You’re a made man in the mafia?
@@12coolbro yeah
The guy who plays him said he wanted to wrap up his story, that is why he moved to Star City and joined ARGUS
@@taarabishop8137 who, cisco?
You know, I have always wondered about that rip-off lightsaber fight. So, Barry got Thawne to come back to fight Godspeed, right? And in that little “fight” they used their speed, right? Well, if they said that since Godspeed got faster because he absorbed all of his clones and is now heaps faster than Barry, and it was also shown that Barry is HEAPS faster than Thawne, then why tf even bring him into this???? He shouldn’t have even been able to keep up with them!!!!
They probably slowed down so Thawne could keep up 😂
I realized a thing- Flash only came in flashtime in the end of last episode, he could have used flashtime more times so it would be more fun to see.
I love how the thumbnail is just a LEGO figure of Flash.
18:31 Which is ironic considering all of Barry's big bads keep dying in the season finales. Oliver kills people (sometimes) and he still has Big Bads show up later down the line show wise.
I’m loving ALL this criticism on The Flash Featuring The Flash.
Same just saw them today
@Raijin I stopped watching the show around Season 5 because Cicada getting away 108293 times made me pissed tf off and I couldn’t take it anymore so I quit. Sometimes I tap in to see what’s the show like and gosh damn seeing Cecil with powers and Barry (THE FLASH AND A FORENSIC SCIENTIST) still relying on a WHOLE TEAM OF PEOPLE in SEASON 7!!!!! To tell him how to run fast. And thawne lost his charm and Barry and his dynamic was flushed down the drain when Barry said “I feel sorry for you thawne because you can’t love.” WHO IS WRITING ALL THIS LOVE AND COMPASSION SHIT. No thanks I’ll watch Arrow.
@Raijin I grew up watching flash and obsessing over it. The irony is the guy who hates the flash the most obsessed over him as much as I did and I ended up hating him. I remember watching arrow for the first time and not liking it but I was a kid so i preferred the goofy and wackiness of the flash. But as I got older I started to like arrow way more and like all the seasons of the arrow even the worst one Season 4 but the flash died for me when cicada got away for the millionth time.
I’m sorry but watching a normal man do all this incredible shit gets old af on the cross over with the Nazis I watched this man stop a construction building from falling using only arrows man get tf outta here but rs the flash is more real then the arrow with all of flash cgi shit is tragic
@@g3orgge788 season 7 is the worst season of the flash ever
I at least hope that season 8 does a proper speedster villain. I was hyped to have a speedster be the villain, but they literally have godspeed go toe to toe with normal people. At least Thawnes plot next season will actually involve speed
I hope there is no season 8
@@anthonysantana2000 I do, to see if they could make it even worse than S7..
@@anthonysantana2000 Dude, there is going to be a season 8.
When they had their lightsaber battle, I honestly started laughing. Also, they have to let Tom Cavanagh (Harrison Wells) go, the writers are overusing him too much just for the character to do nothing. I also skipped Bart’s singing in the last episode because it was too cringey
At this point I'm just rewatching the first season or two plus a few good episodes of The Flash, Supergirl, and Green Arrow and imagining the rest to go the way I want it to go.
honestly, i'm so glad i stopped watching this show after the crisis..
now i'm just enjoying the shitshow from the sidelines and simply being glad that i dodged that bullet.
"what are you doing step godspeed" /10
The only cool thing bout this season is godspeed's costume.
No lmao. Not even that
I like the actor because he just hams it up. It’s like he knew that this was stupid so he might as well have fun with it.
I have a heavy bias for Caitlin but even this season makes her terrible
Even her charm can’t save it
@@harrambou9468 Hopefully he talks about the bad acting as well
yeah, they should've not split caitlin and frost
I love how Killer Frost had a "The World isn't Black and White" moment in S5 and when it was Chillblaine's Turn to have that moment she was like "Nah, you're either good or evil"
esparanza's death was the worst
The flash series is like a curse, every time a new season comes out, our world falls into even more chaos
Somehow... Palpatine has returned
I think at this point if everyone just accepts that this is a "Flash family team up show" and less of a show about a singular hero going through trials and tribulations to grow stronger, you'll enjoy it more. which, tbh, the show has pretty much been since around S3 when Wally and Jesse were introduced as speedsters and they framed it like Wally would defeat Savitar (even though he never did). it's way easier to do that now as well, considering the whole "My name is Barry Allen" thing isn't even the intro for the show anymore, and instead just a montage of all the characters and snippets from moments in the show's history.
So they are the power rangers now?
I agree completely with this comment. That mentality carried me as far as the beginning of season 6. The problem is, the show STILL keeps getting worse and worse, and even I, who likes bad shows or movies, couldn't take it anymore.
The Flash is now a teen drama, fight me
NO ONES GONNA FIGHT BECAUSE ITS TRUE LOL
*Pulls out gun from behind*
Always has been
Tbf, Teen Drama Show is what CW has ALWAYS aimed for... The question is: whether or not it's a good teen drama show
I disagree
It’s a TERRIBLE teen drama
It always was, but now it's a preteen drama.
Wow, you perfectly summed up every opinion I had about this season and why it sucks, thank you. I still can't believe people are saying the Godspeed stuff was good, or any of it for that matter.
The Flash is the pure defenition of missed potential. It could have been amazing but messed up on everything.
Madvocate is the reason I’m here after he did the season 3 I was looking for someone else to do something like this but the other seasons
The problem with how the flash presents talk no jutsu is that the writers don't understand what makes that concept work in the first place.
When Naruto used talk no jutsu it was always AFTER he defeated his enemies. Naruto had ideals which always conflicted with his villains. But he never tried to change their minds mid battle.
He did so after he bested them which is how you win an argument in that verse because ur words are empty if you don't have the strength to act on it.
Flash will literally try to change his villains mind mid battle and it comes off incredibly jarring
I mean, you can do it mid-battle, cause Spider-Man is a Character who had used "Talk no Jutsu" and it never felt stupid, it always made sense within the story and enhanced the Battle. An Example would be in Marvel's Spider-Man in the final battle against Doctor Octopus.
Another example can also be done where The Main Character gets defeated, and because the motivation of the villain is an ideological motive, the MC talks to them to give them their perspective on the Matter.
Baligong Spider-Man's instances of trying to talk down his villains are miles better than the Flash's Talk No Jutsu because
1. Most of the villains he tries to talk down are those that are close to him on a personal level. Doctor Octopus from Marvel's Spider Man was his mentor, idol, and father figure. Eddie Brock from Spectacular Spider-Man was his oldest friend and practically his older brother, etc.
2. He knows when to stop talking and fight. In Marvel's Spider Man, it was when Doctor Octopus revealed he knew his identity the whole time and thus fully knew he was hurting his beloved pupil who he saw as a son. In The Spectacular Spider-Man, it was when Eddie became Venom and Peter, having experienced the symbiote's corruptive influence before, understandably sympathized and tried to save Eddie despite the latter actively putting Gwen's life in danger at the time. But he gave up on trying to talk him down when Eddie established that he was in control and had always secretly resented Peter for having a better life despite similar past circumstances and focused all his effort on saving Gwen.
“I was a kid when I watched them”
Yeah flash has not always been entirely logical and made sense. The show being believable wasn’t why I wanted to watch it, but it’s definitely fallen much worse.
tbh that's how DC was back then during the Silver Age --- most stuff not making any logical sense and such, but i think as time went on it started to make sense in some sorts but at the other half some things just still doesn't make any sense. even though i love DC, they have some improving to do --- especially with CW and with the bad writing and sorts.
my stupid heart is still upset that harry and HR died AGAIN for what ended up to be for literally NO reason. and uh, nash and sherloque, whatever.
i really wanna imagine that every season is a joke and the writers are like "jk, let's restart this show" and then do everything right with the show but i know they're serious
Impulse will always be my favorite flash.
It's a miracle he still is after this garbage.
8:27 Shout outs to s3, my favorite season, it had an amazing vibe, and theme, especially with how flashs enemy was his own self, internal conflicts 👌
Same here!
Cool pfp btw dude
Same. S2 takes it by a small margin (I liked multiverse and zoom) IMO.
The impulse part at the end made me DEAD😂
Flash in a nutshell:
Thawne: "I WILL get faster than you Barry, and I will destroy you."
Barry: "Well, I will get even faster then."
Thawne: "Then I will get even faster than THAT!"
Barry: "I'll get twice as faster than you after that."
Thawne: "I'll get a thousand TIMES as fast then!"
Barry: "I'll get infinitely faster then!"
Thawne: "Then I'll get faster infinity times two!"
Literally anyone watching: "Fucking kill me please."
You know a character that explores the whole "Clones doing what they want" idea, Twice from MHA
When I look back (fondly) on Season 1, I realise that it is the nostalgia of it that is what makes me remember it fondly (and I hate nostalgia being used as an argument). The season used a lot of 'mystery box' to drum up intrigue, dropping lots of hints at the deeper story to come. And they worked, because the first time we saw Reverse Flash in the present, the first time we saw Grodd, these were fun and exciting. But the story wasn't that great in the end (it was predictable and stupid in places), and if you rewatch it, it isn't as good, because not only do you know what is coming, the characters have been done to death.
For example, when Grodd pitched up in Season 2, was it as exciting as it was in the 1st season? What about in Season 3? Diminishing returns, right? And you said that yourself with Eobard once again turning up. They should have left him out after the Black Flash erased him, ever since then it has just been stupid that he keeps turning up wearing Tom Cavanagh's face with some dumb excuse as to why he is still alive and why he isn't wearing his real face.
The thing is they know people are just gonna keep watching cause cw fans are literally mouth breathers and are why we dc fans don’t get good shit cause they are like why make that expensive shit when we can make another inexpensive cw show.
except viewership for the flash has been dropping significantly, with this season barely cracking 1mil avg, while seasons 1 and 2 were firmly in the 4mil range
9:52 and basically every other time in season 1 and 2 and 5 and 7 has been about daddy issues. Flash has daddy issues. I feel like Mr. Krabs now "Please make it STOP make it STOP!".
I’m so glad that I stopped watching the arrowverse. It just needs to end already aside from Superman and Lois. Everything after Crisis has basically been ran into the ground and it’s all just mediocre television at this point. The only good thing to come from
The Flash anymore are the videos you make about it.
Whatever your feelings are towards Arrow, it ended at the right time.
Dc legends of tomorrow isn’t that bad
I personally quits like the legend's, its like cisco's personality put into a whole tv show
@@tylerwilson3507 what? that show should have endeed at s5
Stargirl is also good.
I’ve finally realized it, The Flash is actually The Power Rangers
This
14:42 I hope the writers realize that frost can't kiss anyone because she'll turn them into ice.
Jay Garrick is not even Bart's uncle, he's Barry's friend 😂
If Godspeed is considered Bart's "thawne" for killing his friend, then Zoom is also considered "Thawne" for killing Barry's dad and Savitar is also considered Barry's "Thawne" for killing HR Wells
They really hit Eva with the ✌️🤙🙏🤞👌🙏🖖🤏🙏✊🙏 " talk no jutsu"
can’t believe barry allen learned talk no jutsu
Madvocates videos are great. I just found your channel recently and your videos while different than Madvocates are also great and I've really been enjoying them. Great video bro and I look forward to more!
The suprise Ryan George caught me off guard 😂