Seriously Eric Wallace was like hey Tom this is your angry character But the fans remember him as a cold calculating sociopath who barely snapped, which is what made him snapping so memorable Nah be angry People don’t bring it up because they wrote Harry Wells out of the show but season 2 Harry vs season 4 Harry had instances where they almost followed this pattern.
@@jac0736 the only time he got angry was when Barry destroyed his time sphere, threatening to kill everyone he cared about out of spite for destroying his time sphere and any chances of him getting home.
the fact that a good reverse flash appearance created arguably the best episode of season 9 and an extremely good episode overall just goes to show how good of a villain he is.
depends on what you're talking about, in the show he's a horrible villain and only really comes back to kill barry 24/7 instead of just trying to do as much damage as possible they milked him so much, gave him random power buffs, ruined how scary he was in the begin im not sorry when i say that the CW ruined reverse flash
It was criminal that he wasn't brought back before season 9. They could've done smth with the time wraith pulling him out of the timeline back in the 100th episode and have him return the next season or smth
@@SLJ957 yeah but honestly I'm somewhat glad he hasn't returned much. Look at reverse flash. I got sick from Tom Cavanagh. He was amazing, yeah no doubt about it, but so overused he became boring asf. And the awful writing didn't help it too
Zoom is easily the best villain in my opinion. He had all the mystery of the Reverse Flash along with the Menace that came from being highly intelligent but he was far more ruthless and brutal, having zero problem murdering anyone whenever he felt like it. Plus the black eyes, the demonic suit, Tony Todd's voice really made you believe he was something inhuman.
Facts. Zoom was the best thing they did in the show. Was legitimately terrifying and brutal. Shame he never got another arc. They could’ve done something with the black flash thing and had him regain his consciousness in the time wraith form
I miss old speedster villians. How Zoom could kill everyone on the room with superspeed. Did we saw scenes like this? Godspeed since his appearence in s6 killed only 1 people(Nora's best friend). In past, you knew that evil speedster could have kill everyone on the room. And everyone had his special thing. Thawne with his vibrations. Zoom with time remnants. Savitar with blades. Now, everyone just throw lightning at each other. Everyone gets plot armor, even NPCs.
@@Darth-vade123 Agreed. I actually loved when Savitar low-key flexed on Godspeed when the evil speedsters were gathered together, though I forgot what season of the CW show it was. I think Godspeed was saying something along the lines of, "I'm the God of Speed!" *Cue Savitar zipping into the room* "No. I AM!" Edit: Found it! th-cam.com/video/WETwICFh5Y4/w-d-xo.html
Cobalt Blue had potential in my opinion. The rivalry he has with Barry was practically there, since of course he is Eddie, and the concept of the NSF choosing him makes perfect sense. but as mentioned the structure of the season, and lack of proper development just ruined the character
Well yes he had so much potential. People have been wanting him to show up as Eddie for years. But the fact that they had a shorter season and STILL decided to do two arcs and like 4 episodes of filler really ruined what the character could have been. I would have loved if we had an episode to focus on each speedster villain he brought back instead of them being effortlessly defeated by all of the side characters, while Barry gets his ass kicked by an inexperienced speedster.
If NSF can return people from death, it doesn't make sense. Then, Zoom or Savitar would be perfect choice. Since, they would gladly accept power and gets revenge on Barry, without turning them to bad guys.
@@ВардотКапрелло the whole blue crystal thing wasn’t really explained too clearly as well. Like how was it created, how did the NSF place itself in it, and why bother using if it literally struck Eddie with red lightning in the first episode of the arc. It was clearly talking to Eddie without the Crystal
I feel maybe if The Flash had been given its usual 20 episode run they could have really fleshed out Cobalt blue and he could have been a really good villain. As they had to try and cram it into a 4 episode arc they really didnt do the character justice
Although Bloodwork didn’t have as much screentime as most of the other villains before him, I think he was executed very well. Honestly I don’t know how else they could have expanded his arc.
I was more than satisfied with what they did with Bloodwork. He was a proper antagonist for his arc. He appeared in Evas arc one time to show how cool and dangerous he is. Best of all, he appeared as the main villain of the last Arrowverse crossover with Oliver Queen. He had great plans, motivations, powers and all. And he was defeated properly as well. Im glad they put him in 3. Sendhil Ramamurthy is a great actor.
bloodwork was probably the only he got to think out very well before the constraints of being a showrunner were upon him (doesn't excuse his future failings).
I think people forget but the actors and their ability to preform in the role matters a lot. I think thr actor for god speed was terrible even without the writing.
@@suryasingh9738 “It was me Barry, I ran back in time to kill and become Eric wallace to make the writing and dialogue of your show terrible! Terrible enough for everyone to appreciate the reverse flash more than you”
It's weird that Matt letscher eobard only got a full season villain story in legends and not in flash is crazy to think about. Grant and Matt work so well together with the little we have seen from them.
Man we took those first 4 seasons for granted, all those villains despite being a slow burn, we’re all built up to well, made very intimidating, and badass and I feel like the flash just never caught that same magic after season 4
Glad to see Devoe getting the respect he deserves, season 4 is easily my favorite season, it was the first time Barry was up against someone who could think faster then he could run and devoe really had a plan for all of Barry’s plans.. really wish they didn’t go down the body swop route as well though. Also something about savitar had me shook, bro was WAY faster then zoom and the way they showed iris “dying”? Nah
@@ImTheReverse dawg it was like the least filler any season ever got wtf u talking about. It had literally not a single filler episode. Every single villain in every episode contributed to the main plot. Tweakin.
I’m glad you mentioned how Grant should have appeared more often as Savitar in Season 3. On its own, the fact that Savitar IS Barry is why I believe, if Grant had been given more of chance, Savitar could have surpassed Thawne and Zoom for the title of best villain. He had the potential!
Blood work is actually my 2nd fav villain behind og thawne. I just love how blood work would tempt Barry in “the last temptation of Barry Allen part 1” he was so menacing and felt like a actual threat
Also it gave us one of the best laugh out loud moments in the entire show with the dinner table scene where everyone has the black shit in their mouth lol
Ahh thank youuu!! The Thinker when played by Neol Sandilands was so gooooood, such underrated actor and character!! It was so refreshing seeing a non speedster villain as the msin one, his origin was so good, and the actor absolutely embodied him perfectly, the soomthing yet disturbing way he talked, his emotions, Just perfect. And Bloodwork is so underrated, I loved his role in season in as well, he outshined the other villains.
Tony Todd as Zoom and Tobin Bell as Savitar is what made those two villains two of my favorites. I’m a big horror movie fan and Tony Todd in Candyman and Tobin Bell in Saw are amazing
I recently watched the first 2 seasons and Zoom is just so much more interesting than I even remember. I'd completely forgotten how much he parallels Barry and how much he pushes Barry's development over the course of the season. Season 1 Thawne was the best villain, but as an antagonistic force I think Zoom is unrivalled, the way he makes Barry suffer and grow over the course of the season, and even by the end he's broken enough to create Flashpoint. But what's even more interesting is the subtle things, like the difference between Hunter and Zoom. Zoom is a monster, he's not a man, he's an unstoppable force, but Hunter is very much a man, and I love how quickly you see his insanity when he takes off the mask. As soon as he starts talking you're like "oh wow this guy is just a maniac", but he's stuck as that little boy that watched his dad murder his mom, that's why he needs to be the monster. He's just like Barry, except different circumstances in Barry's life saved him from becoming Hunter, instead Barry is stuck as that little boy who's mother was murdered, and thats why he needs to be the hero. All of this culminating in Barry using Zoom's signature move, the ability he used to "play hero", and being an actual hero, sacrificing himself to save the multiverse.
I preferred Godspeed that Nora defeated. Atleast he was a proper villain, who was a great threat as Nora’s first enemy. Karan Oberoi’s Godspeed was an amnesiac wimp who let his clones wreck havoc only to get his memory and powers from the heroes, cringe for a while, do a Star Wars fight and get stabbed by Thawne.
Wish we saw more of Matt’s reverse flash. Don’t get me wrong I love Tom when he’s reverse flash . But man Just Matt’s energy is so good especially when him and Grant are acting on screen together.
14:42 Eobard mentioned how he put on the Wells face to mess with Barry because he has more of an emotional connection to that face then Matt's Thawne + in the words of Thawne "Hansome"
My ranking of every flash Villians 16)Eric Wallace/Iris West 15)Mirror Monarch 14)The Forces/The Speed Force 13)Cicada 2 12)The Negative Forces/The Negative Speed Force 11)Red Death 10)Cicada 9)Godspeed 8)Cobalt Blue 7)Despero 6)Deathstorm 5)The Thinker 4)Bloodwork 3)Savitar(S3) 2)Zoom(S2) 1)Reverse Flash(S1-S5)
The zoom plot twist was perfect because comic book shows are usually limited by the fact that they usually follow the source material so making a twist that was completely new while still following the main comic source material
I was hoping red death would at least be Bruce Wayne. I mean, come on. He's been missing for a while and they could have easily made this a way to incorporate him into the Arrowverse and possibly make the show better. He could have built his own speedforce and then made the ultimate sacrifice to destroy it and the storyline would have worked better.
There's like some kind of fear of ever putting Bruce Wayne as Batman on TV. Gotham barely got to show him, and Titans used a REALLY alternate version. Guess they just really wanted to pump the Batwoman show...
I'd say that out of all of them, Zoom is my favourite villain. I don't know how to word it but RF to me is more like an "antagonist" and not a villain, like he doesn't compare to Zoom's ruthlessness/brutality when I look back at Seasons 1 & 2. Sure RF was definitely a 'bad guy' but he had clear motives for why he ended up doing what he does, Zoom on the other hand was (as described in S9) a junkie who didn't care who got in his way to get the speed he so desperately wanted. RF was more meticulous and cunning in comparison.
Factssss, Zoom was scary and fucking brutal asf. Remember he came back in season 5 and scared the shit out of Barry and Nora 😂 that's how much of an impact he had on Barry
10:43 They explained in this season that his name changed because of changes in the timeline (Nora stopping the enlightenment, changing the present events causing Cicada to come earlier than when his suppose too) so the original cicada doesn't become Cicada. I would direct swap number 11 and 13, as the younger Cicada did more in few episodes than mirror princess did in 2 seasons.
Reverse has fluctuated so vastly and there’s also different versions and actors playing him; you can’t just do one single ranking for him, I agree it has to be by era or season/arc. At this point, with the finale, even Savitar and Zoom get a second version (which are terrible).
i have to say that i think matt worked best on legends of tomorrow he is such a menace there lord. kills people and is actually kinda scary but also have some good moments of humanity such as when he talks with ray in the space pod. i think it was pretty stupid to keep tom as reverse flash after season 1 tbh i makes zero sense execept when barry time travels back.
I think Cicada was one of the most wasted potential for a villain since he started off REALLY strong and intimidating with just murdering people. And his ability to cancel powers wouldve been really interesting as Barry had grown reliant on his powers. But they just completely threw it away by having Caitlyn be immune and just make him useless so Barry could beat him up. If they had it so Barry had to be smart, use planning, and maybe take fighting lessons from Oliver, it couldve been amazing, but they didnt. Also shouldve let my guy murder more people that was fun to watch
They should have been him a mentally ill cult leader like in the comics. More interesting that whatever this guy was. “Metahuman Jack the Ripper”, my foot.
@@apoorvanand9627 i like his direction, the backstory scene of Gracie getting hit was heart breaking, so why not just combine the two, start a cult of people that are tired of living in fear of metas and want them gone. Have Barry have to deal with his own city turning against him and having to potentially fight just regular people
Facts and when the guy making this vid said changing his name made no sense made me angry , since the reason why Cicada was Orlin Dwyer was because Nora punched the satellite with Barry .
I would say the opposite. The character had no potential, due to the nature of his powers. In any conflict, there's only two reasonable options: 1. Cicada takes everyone's powers and murders them all. (Way too overpowered) 2. Cicada looses his dagger and cannot possibly win against team flash without it. (Way too underpowered) Either of those wouldn't make for a full season villain, so instead every conflict was just interrupted by the winning side making some stupid mistake and letting the loser get away. There was no good way they could have written this. All of the previous villains were powerful, but had actual reasons for not just killing Barry. Grace as Cicada 2 would have been a much better season villain, as she didn't need to rely on a ridiculously overpowered dagger to pose a threat. Her motivation for being a killer also works better than Orlin. He's just upset and wants to lash out, but she is a child growing up her whole life believing metas are evil, and even kills her father for accepting them!
@@theneoreformationist Cicada definitely isn't overpowered, and forcing the team to use strategy instead of powers definitely has potential. Also no way does Grace have a better motivation than Orlin, Orlin lost everything to meta humans, and then lost Grace, but for Grace's timeline she was just salty and angry, yes she lost her parents but she still had Orlin
They did explain why orlin is cicada. Thawne had nora help barry with the satellite because he somehow knew it would make a new cicada so they could beat him. David hersch is cicada in every other universe as sherlouque says.
17:02 I literally called it that Savitar was Barry by about episode 12-13 and later found that so did most fans online at that point, and they waited until episode 20/21 of 23 to reveal him
10:48 they did explain that. David Hersch was the original person struck by a piece of the satellite, and who originally became Cicada, but thanks to Nora’s intervention, it was now Grace who was struck
Agreed Cobalt Blue could’ve been better if he just had more episodes to develop. Aldo fans wanted Cobalt Blue because they wanted him, Eddie to be Barry’s long lost twin brother like in the comics
Genuinely every time Tom Cavanagh appeared as Reverse Flash after season 1 (except the flashback episodes) it made me so mad, because it made no sense, that and, including Legends of Tomorrow, Eobard Thawne is killed on like 4 separate occasions. Matt proved that he could play Eobard perfectly on multiple occasions and it was so sad to see them not using him so many times.
Hot take but Matt Letscher is a better reverse flash than Tom not just because Tom was overused but because the rivalry between Barry and him is truly felt anytime he’s on screen and also the way he portrays thawne feels more natural than anything Tom did after S1
What makes season 1 reverse flash so good, is the fact that no matter what Barry does, he loses. It makes you kinda feel bad for him, and helps him develop as a character.
I feel like not having the rogues led by captain cold as the main villains of season was a missed opportunity, the rivalry between cold and flash would've been so cool to develop over an entire season
Arrowverse Zoom is insanely awesome and underrated, and I genuinely think that should be the go to version of the character from here on out. Comics and otherwise.
I think that the show should've ended at season 8, with the final battle between Flash and Reverse-Flash, which would also be the final battle between the positive and negative Speed Forces. It was a great climactic moment that would've bookended the show with Thawne being the villain of the first and last seasons. But instead we got Cobalt Blue.
Cicada, is by far, the worst. A guy who can literally be shot with a normal gun(no healing, super durability or superspeed) poses a threat for the whole season. All they needed to do is Barry bringing Joe to Cicada, Joe shooting him - bam. And him being able to fly wouldn't help - bullets are faster.
Man, the amount of rose color glasses with savitar is insane. At the time I remember people calling it was an alternate barry really early on, the reveal dragged on too much and nobody liked it because of how obvious it was while feeling it was smart. But hey, later flash seasons do that to you I guess
I like Matt’s version more then Tom’s because that psychotic side of RF is true to who Eobard is in the comics. Now he is cold and calculating but he goes out of his way to let Barry know he’s tryna destroy his life by acting crazy. And BL what you said about Wellsobard being overused and written poorly in later seasons, I completely agree with that.
Good points, but not every villain needs to have beef with Barry. The secondary characters also exist in the show and a villain focused on them can work.
The thing that killed it for me atleast is that they milked the show and the showdown of barry and thawne so much to the point where im not even exicted to see how it ends... you almost forget all the pain that thawne inflicted to barry and the team where it doesnt feel as impactful because that was many seasons ago. Its just them holding a grudge on eachother or atleast thats what it feels like
Honestly the structure of series villain could of been a bit stronger cause here’s how I would change a few elements S1-Reverse Flash S2-Zoom S3-Savitar S4-Thinkerer S5-Cicada”Orlin S6-Bloodwork&Deathstorm S7-Cicada”grace S8-Godspeed S9-Reverse Flash&Coblat Blue
Zoom should have been as much a recurring villain as reverse flash for 2 reasons 1 zoom and reverse flash are technically the same supervillain alias worn by both thawne and zolomon with the same yellow costume. 2 Zolomon also kiilled Barry's Dad which makes his grudge with Barry almost as personal as Thawne killing his mom.
I didn't quite understand the hate the Thinker got. I know people were sick of constant speedsters so a genius in a wheel chair who made Barry's speed pointless was the perfect choice.
Yeah the potential was there, it was just the filler, motivation, and the season as a whole that was off. If anyone else directed CW they could've made it work.
My Ranking my Main Villains of the Flash: 15.The Speed Force/The Forces 14.The Negative Forces/Negative Speed Force 13. Red Death 12.Negative Flash 11.Godspeed 10.Mirror Monarch 9.Cicada/Cicada 2 8.Cobalt Blue 7.Despero 6.Deathstorm 5.Savitar My Top 4 which are the Best: 4.The Thinker 3.Bloodwork 2.Reverse Flash 1.Zoom And a Plus Bonus as an Honorable Mention:Eric Wallace.
Cavanagh as Reverse Flash actually makes sense as when Thawne took Wells’ body was proof of his pure evil (and also people wouldn’t know he was Thawne, thus protecting himself)
Matt Letscher was great as Thawne and could be one of the best main villains on the show, but I disagree with you that he could surpass Tom Cavanagh’s Thawne, because of the mystery behind it all back in S1 was really well executed. "Wells-Thawne" got in a weird way creepier and creepier throughout the season and I don’t think Matt Letscher could ever replace that feeling if mystery and eerieness, and while he Matt was a great Thawne, Tom’s performance in S1 is unmatched.
15. Speed Force (Season 7A) 14. Negative Still Force (Season 8C 13. Ryan Wilder Red Death (Season 9A) 12. August Heart Godspeed (Season 7B) 11. Eva McCulloch Mirror Monarch (Season 6B) 10. Grace Gibbons Cicada ll (Season 5B) 9. Orlin Dwyer Cicada (Season 5A) 8. Deathstorm (Season 8B) 7. Despero (Season 8A) 6. Eddie Thawne Cobalt Blue (Season 9B) 5. Clifford DeVoe The Thinker (Season 4) 4. Barry Allen Savitar (Season 3) 3. Ramsey Rosso Bloodwork (Season 6A) 2. Eobard Thawne Reverse Flash (Season 1) 1. Hunter Zolomon Zoom (Season 2) So here’s the deal 19 villains just seems to much for me so I decided to only put the villains that were established from the beginning to be the big bads and not all the ones who were arguably unnecessary which 3 of them were the Reverse Flash You can disagree and argue but it won’t change my mind 1-4 are the good villains, 5-8 are the decent villains and 9-15 are the bad villains just for more specificity
Honestly what gets me when I see the later seasons is that the costumes just get more and more restrictive? Like, you can see in the way the actors move, they don’t have the largest range of motion in those costumes, which makes their movements look so robotic and a little bit like a tokusetsu show, but without the fun. Or the physical acting.
I disagree on Savitar. To me, he's one of the most poorly written villains in the entire Arrowverse. His entire backstory revolves around Team Flash shunning him, which is complete character assassination as I'm sure Team Flash wouldn't shut him out because he's a time remanent of Barry. I found his goals throughout the season to be very inconsistent. There are moments when it seems like he's set sights on killing Barry in the first half of the season, but his grand plan is to make him suffer by killing Iris. Then there's him wanting Tracy Brand dead, but later decides to use her speed force bazooka as the key to his plans. He doesn't seem to make up his mind. Also now that I'm thinking back, Savitar's pretty incompetent as a villain. He sends Frost to do errands against Team Flash when there's no reason he can just get the job done more efficiently himself. This plays in to how HR of all people saved Iris and foiled Savitar's endgame. So it makes Savitar a complete idiot.
He had to change his plans because of team flash meddling and he sent killer frost because he thought she’d get the job done and meanwhile he was upgrading and fixing his suit and trying to think of new ways to beat team flash
@@sathi9774 I don’t think you get my point. There are moments when Savitar can get something done without even having to deal with team Flash at all. One example is in episode 20, he didn’t need to send Frost to kill Tracy Brand when she was working in her science lab or whatever. He could’ve just located Brand, speed run in and kill her before Barry, Cisco and HR could get there in time. Another example is when HR freed Iris in Savitar s lair, Savitar had the chance to catch them in a second. But he just sends Frost, which wasted valuable time and gave HR the opening to save Iris. Also it’s not properly shown on screen why Savitar can’t run without his suit. You say he needs to upgrade it, but he doesn’t seem to concerned about wearing it whenever the plot allows it.
@@theflashdcuniverse What I mean is his goal is to kill Iris to make Barry suffer, but his actions in the first half of the season contradicts that since he sends the Rival to kill Barry and he tries to kill both Barry and Wally in episode 9. Also if his way to become a god was to use Tracy Brand’s speed bazooka, then that would mean he would’ve doomed his plan if Frost actually did kill Brand earlier. This is what I mean that his plans are so inconsistent.
Savitar is the #1 villain for me, seeing him as #4 was mind boggling to me. He is the smartest villain of the show, done the most in 1 season, and had most mystery in the show. Season 3 felt like a mystery thriller because of him. Season 1 Thawne didn’t do enough to be 1st place, maybe if you added Thawne from all seasons together.
Something I have learned over the course of the the Eric Wallace era is he goes by this philosophy. "We'll give you what you want. but we don't have to make it good"
My favorites: 1. Zoom 2. Savitar 3. Weather Wizard 4. Trickster 5. King Shark 6. Grodd 7. Reverse Flash My least favorites: 1. Red Death 2. Godspeed 3. Chill-lame 4. Cicada I 5. Mirror Monarch
My ranking from favorite to least favorite: 1) Reverse-Flash 2) Thinker 3) Zoom 4) Bloodwork 5) Savitar 6) Deathstorm 7) Despero 8) Mirror Monarch 9) Cobalt Blue 10) Red Death 11) Godspeed 12) Cicada 13) Negative Forces 14) Speed Force
Cobalt blue was DEFINITELY better than mirror Monarch. I get that they screwed up by not giving him enough time and I would agree that he would be way higher if they gave him more time. But mirror monarch also had some weird pacing issues (granted that’s due to COVID) I would also take cobalt blue over cicada, I mean there wasn’t really anything there for cicada. I definitely see why you’d put deathstorm over him but I don’t know if I would agree I would say cobalt blue and deathstorm are about equal.
Great points made about Thawne being overused. All I could think of is that his back must be hurting from carrying that show all those years. Red Death was an absolute mess. My Idea is that it should've been a multiversal version of S1 Oliver, who became more brutal after his version of the Glades(and tried to steal Barry's speed to be more effective). I liked Cobalt Blue, and I think the whole season should've been about him. Blue bringing back all the speedsters was cool, but waisted. It should've been a more experienced Flash taking them all down(as opposed to team flash helping).
I think maybe they could have made red death better if he was like bloodwork but Reverse flash before he helped Barry against Godspeed and he was just negative speed force went into bloodwork and he became red death with Reverse flash helping him in his mind so he has all of reverse flash knowledge of how to use the negative speed force kind of like firestorm with Jefferson and Martin but blood work is like Jefferson and reverse flash is like martin
When you were talking about how there was a gender twist for Mirror Monarch, but Mirror Master is a different villain than Mirror Monarch. Mirror Master does also make a few appearances in the CW show.
Before watching, here is my top main villains of The Flash: 🥇1. Reverse Flash (10/10) 🥈2. Zoom (10/10) 🥉3. Bloodwork (10/10) 4. Savitar (9/10) 5. The Thinker (8.3/10) 6. Cobalt Blue (7.9/10) 7. Godspeed (6.9/10) 8. Red Death (4/10) 9. Mirror Monarch (3.7/10) 10. Cicada I and II (3/10) 11. The Forces (1/10)
You know what would've been a good episode? If in the speedforce villain arc, they made the flash and friends lose their power and they dedicate one episode without superpowers just their own smarts and they create their own speedforce kinda like what reverse flash did. I havent watched the flash so i m not sure if they did it, but im pretty sure they wouldnt cuz the producers would think "what? An episode without superpowers? That'd be boring"
I find it funny that Thawne’s character has fluctuated so much that you have to rank him by era’s
yes, bt the show was accurate about this timeline\personality change shit!
Seriously Eric Wallace was like hey Tom this is your angry character
But the fans remember him as a cold calculating sociopath who barely snapped, which is what made him snapping so memorable
Nah be angry
People don’t bring it up because they wrote Harry Wells out of the show but season 2 Harry vs season 4 Harry had instances where they almost followed this pattern.
@@jac0736 the only time he got angry was when Barry destroyed his time sphere, threatening to kill everyone he cared about out of spite for destroying his time sphere and any chances of him getting home.
The flash is a pile of shit with a couple of sprinkles on top
Yes and imo it's not fair to bully the actors
the fact that a good reverse flash appearance created arguably the best episode of season 9 and an extremely good episode overall just goes to show how good of a villain he is.
Matt definitely rules this role, sucks he didn’t get much screentime in the actual show.
depends on what you're talking about, in the show he's a horrible villain and only really comes back to kill barry 24/7 instead of just trying to do as much damage as possible
they milked him so much, gave him random power buffs, ruined how scary he was in the begin
im not sorry when i say that the CW ruined reverse flash
@@DremsalMost definitely. As a season 1 main villain, he’s amazing. As a “main villain” He’s completely horrible
@@Dremsal yes. But at his peak he was arguably the show’s best villain, and that’s exactly what he was in 9x10
@@Dremsal He’s talking about episode 10.
zoom was perfect, one of, if not, my favorite villain overall. And season 2 being fantastic as well.
It was criminal that he wasn't brought back before season 9. They could've done smth with the time wraith pulling him out of the timeline back in the 100th episode and have him return the next season or smth
@@SLJ957 yeah but honestly I'm somewhat glad he hasn't returned much. Look at reverse flash. I got sick from Tom Cavanagh. He was amazing, yeah no doubt about it, but so overused he became boring asf. And the awful writing didn't help it too
Zoom is my favourite Speedster villain till date. Thawne is just the nemesis. He is the dark opposite.
Mirror Monarch was very attractive. The mirror gimmick was cool and not a bad B grade villain because of her sympathetic back story
Agree
Zoom is easily the best villain in my opinion. He had all the mystery of the Reverse Flash along with the Menace that came from being highly intelligent but he was far more ruthless and brutal, having zero problem murdering anyone whenever he felt like it.
Plus the black eyes, the demonic suit, Tony Todd's voice really made you believe he was something inhuman.
Facts. Zoom was the best thing they did in the show. Was legitimately terrifying and brutal. Shame he never got another arc. They could’ve done something with the black flash thing and had him regain his consciousness in the time wraith form
Absofuckinglutely Zoom was wayyyyy better than Eobard, dude almost took out the multiverse on his own and everyone seems to forget that 😂
Fax
In my opinion he’s a jumped up V9 junkie 😂😂
WAIT!!! TONY TODD DID HIS VOICE?!?!?!?
I miss old speedster villians. How Zoom could kill everyone on the room with superspeed. Did we saw scenes like this? Godspeed since his appearence in s6 killed only 1 people(Nora's best friend). In past, you knew that evil speedster could have kill everyone on the room. And everyone had his special thing. Thawne with his vibrations. Zoom with time remnants. Savitar with blades. Now, everyone just throw lightning at each other. Everyone gets plot armor, even NPCs.
Zoomgoat>Midspeed
Also whenever they wanted to make a new main villain for Barry, all they had to do was say that he was faster than Barry
Savitar> godspeed
@@vibemasterkorosu2469 😂😂😂
@@Darth-vade123 Agreed.
I actually loved when Savitar low-key flexed on Godspeed when the evil speedsters were gathered together, though I forgot what season of the CW show it was. I think Godspeed was saying something along the lines of, "I'm the God of Speed!"
*Cue Savitar zipping into the room*
"No. I AM!"
Edit: Found it! th-cam.com/video/WETwICFh5Y4/w-d-xo.html
Cobalt Blue had potential in my opinion. The rivalry he has with Barry was practically there, since of course he is Eddie, and the concept of the NSF choosing him makes perfect sense.
but as mentioned the structure of the season, and lack of proper development just ruined the character
Well yes he had so much potential. People have been wanting him to show up as Eddie for years. But the fact that they had a shorter season and STILL decided to do two arcs and like 4 episodes of filler really ruined what the character could have been. I would have loved if we had an episode to focus on each speedster villain he brought back instead of them being effortlessly defeated by all of the side characters, while Barry gets his ass kicked by an inexperienced speedster.
If NSF can return people from death, it doesn't make sense. Then, Zoom or Savitar would be perfect choice. Since, they would gladly accept power and gets revenge on Barry, without turning them to bad guys.
@@ВардотКапрелло the whole blue crystal thing wasn’t really explained too clearly as well. Like how was it created, how did the NSF place itself in it, and why bother using if it literally struck Eddie with red lightning in the first episode of the arc. It was clearly talking to Eddie without the Crystal
If you abbreviate "Negative Speed Force Wins" you get NSFW, which is probably why they didn't let them win XD
I feel maybe if The Flash had been given its usual 20 episode run they could have really fleshed out Cobalt blue and he could have been a really good villain. As they had to try and cram it into a 4 episode arc they really didnt do the character justice
Although Bloodwork didn’t have as much screentime as most of the other villains before him, I think he was executed very well. Honestly I don’t know how else they could have expanded his arc.
I was more than satisfied with what they did with Bloodwork. He was a proper antagonist for his arc. He appeared in Evas arc one time to show how cool and dangerous he is.
Best of all, he appeared as the main villain of the last Arrowverse crossover with Oliver Queen.
He had great plans, motivations, powers and all. And he was defeated properly as well. Im glad they put him in 3.
Sendhil Ramamurthy is a great actor.
@@apoorvanand9627 too bad he was British
I really don't know how Eric Wallace did Bloodwork so well.
I think we can thank the actor on that one
probably because he didn't
bloodwork was probably the only he got to think out very well before the constraints of being a showrunner were upon him (doesn't excuse his future failings).
The actor was definitely a factor, and a amazing choice. Most people remember him as Mohinder from Heroes, and he blossomed in that rule too
I think people forget but the actors and their ability to preform in the role matters a lot. I think thr actor for god speed was terrible even without the writing.
You forgot the worst villian that transcended beyond the show… Eric Wallace
XDDD
I liked season 4 tho
@@akeu754 Yeah but Eric Wallace didn't start running the show until S6, S1 to S5 are so good because Eric had nothing to do with them
@@Ek_Mzs5 sucked, it was just the start of the show going downhill
@@kidpoolV7I’m pretty sure season 5 was co writ by Eric correct me ir I’m wrong tho
Eric Wallace makes Thawne look like a saint. I hope you make a video talking about Eric’s time as the show runner
I have a theory that Eric Wallace is actually Thawne with the REAL Eric Wallace's face.
@@suryasingh9738 Honestly a valid prediction since thawne is known for doing this before
@@MasterCube33 And Ezra Miller is the REAL Red Death from another universe. Why else would he be hanging around with TWO Batmen?
@@suryasingh9738 “It was me Barry, I ran back in time to kill and become Eric wallace to make the writing and dialogue of your show terrible! Terrible enough for everyone to appreciate the reverse flash more than you”
@@Chadius_Thundercock "WTF Thawne? Did you mess up my future in the DCU too?"
It's weird that Matt letscher eobard only got a full season villain story in legends and not in flash is crazy to think about. Grant and Matt work so well together with the little we have seen from them.
Blame Eric Wallace
The first 4 seasons were so good. It's a true shame it ended like this.
first 4? try 2, it went downhill ever since
@@ddk6112 first 2 were for sure best but 3 and 4 were still good, the last good ones
Now season 4 good after ya trash it when it was premiering?
Lol since when are people fans of season 4? Yes, the last few seasons have been ass but NEWS FLASH: Season 4 is still trash
@@ImTheReverse I really liked season 4, season 5 is when the series gets worse for me.
I wish they kept bloodwork longer, the only good villain Eric wrote
I'm glad they didn't keep blood work longer cuz I believe Eric would have ruined the character if blood work appeared more
@@Crosswalkcreation probably, he worked better since he only appeared in 10 episodes.
Leave get out of here
Personally I’m a Godspeed fan but he was in the show for way to little. Like only 5 episodes and the finale… which… ugh
for me he wasn’t the only good villain, i also liked despero and deathstorm
Man we took those first 4 seasons for granted, all those villains despite being a slow burn, we’re all built up to well, made very intimidating, and badass and I feel like the flash just never caught that same magic after season 4
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Glad to see Devoe getting the respect he deserves, season 4 is easily my favorite season, it was the first time Barry was up against someone who could think faster then he could run and devoe really had a plan for all of Barry’s plans.. really wish they didn’t go down the body swop route as well though. Also something about savitar had me shook, bro was WAY faster then zoom and the way they showed iris “dying”? Nah
It was also the first time a Flash season was 2/3rds filler.
@@ImTheReverse I don’t think that’s true
@@ImTheReverse dawg it was like the least filler any season ever got wtf u talking about. It had literally not a single filler episode. Every single villain in every episode contributed to the main plot. Tweakin.
I actually liked how they had different actors as the big bad.
Honesty devoe sucked for me blood work was better
I’m glad you mentioned how Grant should have appeared more often as Savitar in Season 3. On its own, the fact that Savitar IS Barry is why I believe, if Grant had been given more of chance, Savitar could have surpassed Thawne and Zoom for the title of best villain. He had the potential!
I think the reason why Cicadas name is different is because Nora altered the timeline at the end of season 4 and someone else became Cicada
YES, and i think they mentioned this in the show too
@@jinxedyuri5756 they did
Blood work is actually my 2nd fav villain behind og thawne. I just love how blood work would tempt Barry in “the last temptation of Barry Allen part 1” he was so menacing and felt like a actual threat
Also it gave us one of the best laugh out loud moments in the entire show with the dinner table scene where everyone has the black shit in their mouth lol
Ahh thank youuu!! The Thinker when played by Neol Sandilands was so gooooood, such underrated actor and character!! It was so refreshing seeing a non speedster villain as the msin one, his origin was so good, and the actor absolutely embodied him perfectly, the soomthing yet disturbing way he talked, his emotions, Just perfect. And Bloodwork is so underrated, I loved his role in season in as well, he outshined the other villains.
Tony Todd as Zoom and Tobin Bell as Savitar is what made those two villains two of my favorites. I’m a big horror movie fan and Tony Todd in Candyman and Tobin Bell in Saw are amazing
I recently watched the first 2 seasons and Zoom is just so much more interesting than I even remember. I'd completely forgotten how much he parallels Barry and how much he pushes Barry's development over the course of the season. Season 1 Thawne was the best villain, but as an antagonistic force I think Zoom is unrivalled, the way he makes Barry suffer and grow over the course of the season, and even by the end he's broken enough to create Flashpoint. But what's even more interesting is the subtle things, like the difference between Hunter and Zoom. Zoom is a monster, he's not a man, he's an unstoppable force, but Hunter is very much a man, and I love how quickly you see his insanity when he takes off the mask. As soon as he starts talking you're like "oh wow this guy is just a maniac", but he's stuck as that little boy that watched his dad murder his mom, that's why he needs to be the monster. He's just like Barry, except different circumstances in Barry's life saved him from becoming Hunter, instead Barry is stuck as that little boy who's mother was murdered, and thats why he needs to be the hero. All of this culminating in Barry using Zoom's signature move, the ability he used to "play hero", and being an actual hero, sacrificing himself to save the multiverse.
This a beautiful analysis
I really feel Savitar was wasted towards the ending of S3 which is pretty reasonable why he would have been placed in number 4.
I actually like Godspeed, just wish he was treated better and written better
They did him dirty compared to his comic version
@@shadoka9409 IKR
Season 6 episode 18 is the best godspeed adaptation we’ve gotten imo
I preferred Godspeed that Nora defeated. Atleast he was a proper villain, who was a great threat as Nora’s first enemy.
Karan Oberoi’s Godspeed was an amnesiac wimp who let his clones wreck havoc only to get his memory and powers from the heroes, cringe for a while, do a Star Wars fight and get stabbed by Thawne.
Same, wish they wrote him better like his comic book counterpart
Wish we saw more of Matt’s reverse flash. Don’t get me wrong I love Tom when he’s reverse flash . But man Just Matt’s energy is so good especially when him and Grant are acting on screen together.
14:42 Eobard mentioned how he put on the Wells face to mess with Barry because he has more of an emotional connection to that face then Matt's Thawne + in the words of Thawne "Hansome"
My ranking of every flash Villians
16)Eric Wallace/Iris West
15)Mirror Monarch
14)The Forces/The Speed Force
13)Cicada 2
12)The Negative Forces/The Negative Speed Force
11)Red Death
10)Cicada
9)Godspeed
8)Cobalt Blue
7)Despero
6)Deathstorm
5)The Thinker
4)Bloodwork
3)Savitar(S3)
2)Zoom(S2)
1)Reverse Flash(S1-S5)
Iris is the true villain of the show.
@@aversion356 “WE aRe THe FLaSh”-🤓
The zoom plot twist was perfect because comic book shows are usually limited by the fact that they usually follow the source material so making a twist that was completely new while still following the main comic source material
I was hoping red death would at least be Bruce Wayne. I mean, come on. He's been missing for a while and they could have easily made this a way to incorporate him into the Arrowverse and possibly make the show better. He could have built his own speedforce and then made the ultimate sacrifice to destroy it and the storyline would have worked better.
There's like some kind of fear of ever putting Bruce Wayne as Batman on TV. Gotham barely got to show him, and Titans used a REALLY alternate version. Guess they just really wanted to pump the Batwoman show...
I remember when the Bloodwork arc made everyone think Eric Wallace would fix the show. If only we knew…
I'm noticing it's not just the writing but the way they do lighting and lightning in the earlier seasons that look better
I'd say that out of all of them, Zoom is my favourite villain. I don't know how to word it but RF to me is more like an "antagonist" and not a villain, like he doesn't compare to Zoom's ruthlessness/brutality when I look back at Seasons 1 & 2.
Sure RF was definitely a 'bad guy' but he had clear motives for why he ended up doing what he does, Zoom on the other hand was (as described in S9) a junkie who didn't care who got in his way to get the speed he so desperately wanted. RF was more meticulous and cunning in comparison.
What about season 3 that was good too.
@@walquirisosa8430 Everyone has their own opinions - I don't hate S3, but I REALLY don't like Time Loops when it comes to story telling.
Factssss, Zoom was scary and fucking brutal asf. Remember he came back in season 5 and scared the shit out of Barry and Nora 😂 that's how much of an impact he had on Barry
10:43 They explained in this season that his name changed because of changes in the timeline (Nora stopping the enlightenment, changing the present events causing Cicada to come earlier than when his suppose too) so the original cicada doesn't become Cicada. I would direct swap number 11 and 13, as the younger Cicada did more in few episodes than mirror princess did in 2 seasons.
Reverse has fluctuated so vastly and there’s also different versions and actors playing him; you can’t just do one single ranking for him, I agree it has to be by era or season/arc. At this point, with the finale, even Savitar and Zoom get a second version (which are terrible).
i have to say that i think matt worked best on legends of tomorrow he is such a menace there lord. kills people and is actually kinda scary but also have some good moments of humanity such as when he talks with ray in the space pod. i think it was pretty stupid to keep tom as reverse flash after season 1 tbh i makes zero sense execept when barry time travels back.
2049 or season 5 thawne makes sense I believe.
I think Cicada was one of the most wasted potential for a villain since he started off REALLY strong and intimidating with just murdering people. And his ability to cancel powers wouldve been really interesting as Barry had grown reliant on his powers. But they just completely threw it away by having Caitlyn be immune and just make him useless so Barry could beat him up.
If they had it so Barry had to be smart, use planning, and maybe take fighting lessons from Oliver, it couldve been amazing, but they didnt.
Also shouldve let my guy murder more people that was fun to watch
They should have been him a mentally ill cult leader like in the comics. More interesting that whatever this guy was. “Metahuman Jack the Ripper”, my foot.
@@apoorvanand9627 i like his direction, the backstory scene of Gracie getting hit was heart breaking, so why not just combine the two, start a cult of people that are tired of living in fear of metas and want them gone. Have Barry have to deal with his own city turning against him and having to potentially fight just regular people
Facts and when the guy making this vid said changing his name made no sense made me angry , since the reason why Cicada was Orlin Dwyer was because Nora punched the satellite with Barry .
I would say the opposite. The character had no potential, due to the nature of his powers. In any conflict, there's only two reasonable options:
1. Cicada takes everyone's powers and murders them all. (Way too overpowered)
2. Cicada looses his dagger and cannot possibly win against team flash without it. (Way too underpowered)
Either of those wouldn't make for a full season villain, so instead every conflict was just interrupted by the winning side making some stupid mistake and letting the loser get away. There was no good way they could have written this. All of the previous villains were powerful, but had actual reasons for not just killing Barry.
Grace as Cicada 2 would have been a much better season villain, as she didn't need to rely on a ridiculously overpowered dagger to pose a threat. Her motivation for being a killer also works better than Orlin. He's just upset and wants to lash out, but she is a child growing up her whole life believing metas are evil, and even kills her father for accepting them!
@@theneoreformationist Cicada definitely isn't overpowered, and forcing the team to use strategy instead of powers definitely has potential. Also no way does Grace have a better motivation than Orlin, Orlin lost everything to meta humans, and then lost Grace, but for Grace's timeline she was just salty and angry, yes she lost her parents but she still had Orlin
Finding out just now Tony Todd was zooms voice blew me away. I swear I normally pay attention to credits but my gosh did he kills it as always.
You forgot. The main villain of the final season is Eric Wallace
Thawne, savitar and bloodwork are the only villans where i can hear their theme songs just by looking at them
They did explain why orlin is cicada. Thawne had nora help barry with the satellite because he somehow knew it would make a new cicada so they could beat him. David hersch is cicada in every other universe as sherlouque says.
17:02 I literally called it that Savitar was Barry by about episode 12-13 and later found that so did most fans online at that point, and they waited until episode 20/21 of 23 to reveal him
10:48 they did explain that. David Hersch was the original person struck by a piece of the satellite, and who originally became Cicada, but thanks to Nora’s intervention, it was now Grace who was struck
Agreed Cobalt Blue could’ve been better if he just had more episodes to develop. Aldo fans wanted Cobalt Blue because they wanted him, Eddie to be Barry’s long lost twin brother like in the comics
Genuinely every time Tom Cavanagh appeared as Reverse Flash after season 1 (except the flashback episodes) it made me so mad, because it made no sense, that and, including Legends of Tomorrow, Eobard Thawne is killed on like 4 separate occasions. Matt proved that he could play Eobard perfectly on multiple occasions and it was so sad to see them not using him so many times.
Hot take but Matt Letscher is a better reverse flash than Tom not just because Tom was overused but because the rivalry between Barry and him is truly felt anytime he’s on screen and also the way he portrays thawne feels more natural than anything Tom did after S1
It really speaks to how overused Thawn was that they didn’t bring him back again to be the final villain of the series.
What makes season 1 reverse flash so good, is the fact that no matter what Barry does, he loses. It makes you kinda feel bad for him, and helps him develop as a character.
I feel like not having the rogues led by captain cold as the main villains of season was a missed opportunity, the rivalry between cold and flash would've been so cool to develop over an entire season
They should've made them the villains of Season 1 and Wells the Villain of Season 2.
I just wish they had brought miller back the final season
It could've worked had captain cold not died in legends of tomorrow or had build up to be a better person
They didn’t really know what they wanted to do with the rouges they were all wasted
@@ontos8914 oh yeah and they wasted Mick on legends.
Arrowverse Zoom is insanely awesome and underrated, and I genuinely think that should be the go to version of the character from here on out. Comics and otherwise.
I think that the show should've ended at season 8, with the final battle between Flash and Reverse-Flash, which would also be the final battle between the positive and negative Speed Forces. It was a great climactic moment that would've bookended the show with Thawne being the villain of the first and last seasons. But instead we got Cobalt Blue.
Yeah, season 9 seams smaller compared to season 8.
Cicada, is by far, the worst. A guy who can literally be shot with a normal gun(no healing, super durability or superspeed) poses a threat for the whole season. All they needed to do is Barry bringing Joe to Cicada, Joe shooting him - bam. And him being able to fly wouldn't help - bullets are faster.
Zoom is my favourite Villain of the series I liked how creepy and quite scary he was in the show.
Man, the amount of rose color glasses with savitar is insane. At the time I remember people calling it was an alternate barry really early on, the reveal dragged on too much and nobody liked it because of how obvious it was while feeling it was smart. But hey, later flash seasons do that to you I guess
I've been believing for years that Bloodwork was a leftover idea. I cannot believe that Wallace came up with his storyline.
Does anybody remember that one scene where Deathstorm just ruthlessly kills a old man? That made me one of my favorite villains
I like Matt’s version more then Tom’s because that psychotic side of RF is true to who Eobard is in the comics. Now he is cold and calculating but he goes out of his way to let Barry know he’s tryna destroy his life by acting crazy. And BL what you said about Wellsobard being overused and written poorly in later seasons, I completely agree with that.
He forgot the negative Nora and the infected flash
Good points, but not every villain needs to have beef with Barry. The secondary characters also exist in the show and a villain focused on them can work.
They did have a reason for naming him orlin Dwyer, because nora changed the timeline and made the dark matter hit orlin instead of David hersh
Eu tava sentindo falta desses tipos de vídeo, saudades
Really good list man but I will say Tom Cavanagh has always been doing incredible acting in my opinion
I'm still confused how eobard ripped his head and went into his fake self
Yeah, I think that was weird too.
The thing that killed it for me atleast is that they milked the show and the showdown of barry and thawne so much to the point where im not even exicted to see how it ends... you almost forget all the pain that thawne inflicted to barry and the team where it doesnt feel as impactful because that was many seasons ago. Its just them holding a grudge on eachother or atleast thats what it feels like
Honestly the structure of series villain could of been a bit stronger cause here’s how I would change a few elements
S1-Reverse Flash
S2-Zoom
S3-Savitar
S4-Thinkerer
S5-Cicada”Orlin
S6-Bloodwork&Deathstorm
S7-Cicada”grace
S8-Godspeed
S9-Reverse Flash&Coblat Blue
Loved this video! Are you doing this villain ranking for the other Arrowverse shows?
Zoom should have been as much a recurring villain as reverse flash for 2 reasons
1 zoom and reverse flash are technically the same supervillain alias worn by both thawne and zolomon with the same yellow costume.
2 Zolomon also kiilled Barry's Dad which makes his grudge with Barry almost as personal as Thawne killing his mom.
I think it would have been cooler if he was named Pollux to reference the first speedster the flash fought on live television in the flash(1997)
Season 1 Reverse Flash is truly terrifying
I didn't quite understand the hate the Thinker got. I know people were sick of constant speedsters so a genius in a wheel chair who made Barry's speed pointless was the perfect choice.
We can all agree with most of if not all of Eric Wallace villains that if they had more then 4 episodes to develop they could've become a lot better.
Javicia is great as earth prime Batwoman. I just think Red Death just wasn’t the role for her
Exactly I didn't mind the change but I think they should have gone with Wallis Day as Kate Kane because she can actually pull off an unhinged villain
Mirror Monarch is a great villain
She had depth and interesting powers that made her threatening.
Unpopular opinion probably but whatever.
Yeah the potential was there, it was just the filler, motivation, and the season as a whole that was off. If anyone else directed CW they could've made it work.
I personally disliked Mirror Monarch and her whole arc as a whole, like with the speed forces as villains.
She had no rivalry with flash
@@theflashdcuniverse She was holding his wife captive in the Mirror world.
My Ranking my Main Villains of the Flash:
15.The Speed Force/The Forces
14.The Negative Forces/Negative Speed Force
13. Red Death
12.Negative Flash
11.Godspeed
10.Mirror Monarch
9.Cicada/Cicada 2
8.Cobalt Blue
7.Despero
6.Deathstorm
5.Savitar
My Top 4 which are the Best:
4.The Thinker
3.Bloodwork
2.Reverse Flash
1.Zoom
And a Plus Bonus as an Honorable Mention:Eric Wallace.
Completely agree with ur opinions on savitar he’s extremely underrated
Cavanagh as Reverse Flash actually makes sense as when Thawne took Wells’ body was proof of his pure evil (and also people wouldn’t know he was Thawne, thus protecting himself)
Matt Letscher was great as Thawne and could be one of the best main villains on the show, but I disagree with you that he could surpass Tom Cavanagh’s Thawne, because of the mystery behind it all back in S1 was really well executed. "Wells-Thawne" got in a weird way creepier and creepier throughout the season and I don’t think Matt Letscher could ever replace that feeling if mystery and eerieness, and while he Matt was a great Thawne, Tom’s performance in S1 is unmatched.
Red death not being bruce Wayne was legit a crime in the show
Zoom is 100% my favorite from the series
15. Speed Force (Season 7A)
14. Negative Still Force (Season 8C
13. Ryan Wilder Red Death (Season 9A)
12. August Heart Godspeed (Season 7B)
11. Eva McCulloch Mirror Monarch (Season 6B)
10. Grace Gibbons Cicada ll (Season 5B)
9. Orlin Dwyer Cicada (Season 5A)
8. Deathstorm (Season 8B)
7. Despero (Season 8A)
6. Eddie Thawne Cobalt Blue (Season 9B)
5. Clifford DeVoe The Thinker (Season 4)
4. Barry Allen Savitar (Season 3)
3. Ramsey Rosso Bloodwork (Season 6A)
2. Eobard Thawne Reverse Flash (Season 1)
1. Hunter Zolomon Zoom (Season 2)
So here’s the deal 19 villains just seems to much for me so I decided to only put the villains that were established from the beginning to be the big bads and not all the ones who were arguably unnecessary which 3 of them were the Reverse Flash
You can disagree and argue but it won’t change my mind
1-4 are the good villains, 5-8 are the decent villains and 9-15 are the bad villains just for more specificity
Honestly what gets me when I see the later seasons is that the costumes just get more and more restrictive? Like, you can see in the way the actors move, they don’t have the largest range of motion in those costumes, which makes their movements look so robotic and a little bit like a tokusetsu show, but without the fun. Or the physical acting.
I disagree on Savitar. To me, he's one of the most poorly written villains in the entire Arrowverse. His entire backstory revolves around Team Flash shunning him, which is complete character assassination as I'm sure Team Flash wouldn't shut him out because he's a time remanent of Barry. I found his goals throughout the season to be very inconsistent. There are moments when it seems like he's set sights on killing Barry in the first half of the season, but his grand plan is to make him suffer by killing Iris. Then there's him wanting Tracy Brand dead, but later decides to use her speed force bazooka as the key to his plans. He doesn't seem to make up his mind. Also now that I'm thinking back, Savitar's pretty incompetent as a villain. He sends Frost to do errands against Team Flash when there's no reason he can just get the job done more efficiently himself. This plays in to how HR of all people saved Iris and foiled Savitar's endgame. So it makes Savitar a complete idiot.
So people need to act like robots and can't change their minds now? Be serious
He had to change his plans because of team flash meddling and he sent killer frost because he thought she’d get the job done and meanwhile he was upgrading and fixing his suit and trying to think of new ways to beat team flash
its almost like a smart person adapts to new circumstances.....
@@sathi9774 I don’t think you get my point. There are moments when Savitar can get something done without even having to deal with team Flash at all. One example is in episode 20, he didn’t need to send Frost to kill Tracy Brand when she was working in her science lab or whatever. He could’ve just located Brand, speed run in and kill her before Barry, Cisco and HR could get there in time. Another example is when HR freed Iris in Savitar s lair, Savitar had the chance to catch them in a second. But he just sends Frost, which wasted valuable time and gave HR the opening to save Iris. Also it’s not properly shown on screen why Savitar can’t run without his suit. You say he needs to upgrade it, but he doesn’t seem to concerned about wearing it whenever the plot allows it.
@@theflashdcuniverse What I mean is his goal is to kill Iris to make Barry suffer, but his actions in the first half of the season contradicts that since he sends the Rival to kill Barry and he tries to kill both Barry and Wally in episode 9. Also if his way to become a god was to use Tracy Brand’s speed bazooka, then that would mean he would’ve doomed his plan if Frost actually did kill Brand earlier. This is what I mean that his plans are so inconsistent.
Savitar is the #1 villain for me, seeing him as #4 was mind boggling to me. He is the smartest villain of the show, done the most in 1 season, and had most mystery in the show. Season 3 felt like a mystery thriller because of him. Season 1 Thawne didn’t do enough to be 1st place, maybe if you added Thawne from all seasons together.
Imagine if they had done a season arc with Black Flash instead of the speedforce forces family, the mirror monarch or the red death
17: Speed Force (Season 7A: God Complex)
16: Grace Gibbons/Cicada II (Season 5)
15: Negative Still Force (Season 8C: It’s All Negative)
14: Mirror Mistress (Season 6B: Reflections and Lies)
13: Negative Speed Force (Season 9B: A New World)
12: Cicada (Season 5)
11: Red Death (Season 9A: Rogue War)
10: Negative Thawne (Season 9C: It’s All Negative)
9: Goodspeed (Season 7B: Godspeed Imperative)
8: Cobalt Blue (Season 9B: A New World)
7: The Thinker (Season 4)
6: Deathstorm (Season 8B: Death Revisted)
5: Despero (Season 8A: Armageddon)
4: Savitar (Season 3)
3: Bloodwork (Season 6: Blood and Truth)
2: Zoom (Season 2)
1: Reverse Flash (Season 1, 5, 9)
Something I have learned over the course of the the Eric Wallace era is he goes by this philosophy. "We'll give you what you want.
but we don't have to make it good"
Nobody wanted the forces arc
@@TheBlackLion001 the flash s10 canceled plans make a video on it please
@@TheBlackLion001 or the interludes 🤣
@@TheBlackLion001 yea but people begged for Godspeed, Red Death, and Cobalt Blue and look how that turned out
my to 5 is:
5: Bloodwork
4: The Thinker
3: Reverse Flash (season 1)
2: Zoom
1: Savitar
My favorites:
1. Zoom
2. Savitar
3. Weather Wizard
4. Trickster
5. King Shark
6. Grodd
7. Reverse Flash
My least favorites:
1. Red Death
2. Godspeed
3. Chill-lame
4. Cicada I
5. Mirror Monarch
I’m gonna add Cecile to your worst list. The villain that brought down this whole show.
@@Mythowars Replace her with Eric Wallace, the man that gave her this much screen time over the main character.
My ranking from favorite to least favorite:
1) Reverse-Flash
2) Thinker
3) Zoom
4) Bloodwork
5) Savitar
6) Deathstorm
7) Despero
8) Mirror Monarch
9) Cobalt Blue
10) Red Death
11) Godspeed
12) Cicada
13) Negative Forces
14) Speed Force
Zoom was the scariest 😳
Now that the show has ended you should do a full ranking video for the 9 seasons. Your Arrowverse rankings are really nostalgic.
Cobalt blue was DEFINITELY better than mirror Monarch. I get that they screwed up by not giving him enough time and I would agree that he would be way higher if they gave him more time.
But mirror monarch also had some weird pacing issues (granted that’s due to COVID)
I would also take cobalt blue over cicada, I mean there wasn’t really anything there for cicada.
I definitely see why you’d put deathstorm over him but I don’t know if I would agree I would say cobalt blue and deathstorm are about equal.
Great points made about Thawne being overused. All I could think of is that his back must be hurting from carrying that show all those years.
Red Death was an absolute mess. My Idea is that it should've been a multiversal version of S1 Oliver, who became more brutal after his version of the Glades(and tried to steal Barry's speed to be more effective).
I liked Cobalt Blue, and I think the whole season should've been about him. Blue bringing back all the speedsters was cool, but waisted. It should've been a more experienced Flash taking them all down(as opposed to team flash helping).
I think maybe they could have made red death better if he was like bloodwork but Reverse flash before he helped Barry against Godspeed and he was just negative speed force went into bloodwork and he became red death with Reverse flash helping him in his mind so he has all of reverse flash knowledge of how to use the negative speed force kind of like firestorm with Jefferson and Martin but blood work is like Jefferson and reverse flash is like martin
Thawne’s always at his best when he’s being absolutely petty.
Also, I think Savitar’s suit looks better when it’s CGI than when it’s practical.
Season 1 was the greatest season and one of the best in all TV Shows I have ever watched. Season 1 Thawne was def the best villain on the show for me
same
When you were talking about how there was a gender twist for Mirror Monarch, but Mirror Master is a different villain than Mirror Monarch. Mirror Master does also make a few appearances in the CW show.
original cicada isnt David but Orlin because of the changes in the timeline when XS helping Barry punch the satellite
Yeah but that wasn't a cool twist or anything, they just kinda mentioned it, it was unnecessary.
@@TheBlackLion001 u said In your review for episode 5x03 it was good that they changed cicada name
@@flashseason82ndbestericdid bruh that was like 5 years ago
Before watching, here is my top main villains of The Flash:
🥇1. Reverse Flash (10/10)
🥈2. Zoom (10/10)
🥉3. Bloodwork (10/10)
4. Savitar (9/10)
5. The Thinker (8.3/10)
6. Cobalt Blue (7.9/10)
7. Godspeed (6.9/10)
8. Red Death (4/10)
9. Mirror Monarch (3.7/10)
10. Cicada I and II (3/10)
11. The Forces (1/10)
Barry Allen or Wally West; who would be the front-and-center Flash in the DCU?
WW
You know what would've been a good episode?
If in the speedforce villain arc, they made the flash and friends lose their power and they dedicate one episode without superpowers just their own smarts and they create their own speedforce kinda like what reverse flash did.
I havent watched the flash so i m not sure if they did it, but im pretty sure they wouldnt cuz the producers would think "what? An episode without superpowers? That'd be boring"
Thawne is Barry's arch nemesis dummy and javicia leslie isnt a bad actress in batwoman