To all of you telling me my explanation of the Butterfly Effect is wrong, you could at least be less condescending while you blatantly misinterpret what I said.
Yeah they're being very pedantic. The real issue is that the butterfly effect says any minor event *can* have drastic effects, not that is necessarily always *will*...but yeah your point still stands, the time travel is still stupid, Barry should have still been concerned about it, and it WOULD have probably changed reality a lot.
You could at least be less passive aggressive while trying to chalk up being objectively incorrect about how the butterfly effect got its name to ‘blatantly misinterpreting what you said’.
Not gonna lie, the scene of Ezra microwaving and eating all those babies was quite the highlight of the film. The fact it was improvised on the spot just makes the scene even more impressive to me.
Fun fact, the CGI looks so bad because it wasn’t actually CGI. The directors had a “bring your kid to work day”, and had the cameras rolling when Ezra Miller walked into the same room as the children.
The part of this movie that really pissed me off is when they CGIed a cameo for George Reeves' Superman (the 50s TV Superman). Reeves took his own life because he felt trapped in a failing career where he was constantly typecast as Superman. He couldn't escape Superman in life, ended his life because of it, and now thanks to this movie he can't escape it it in death. Oh, and this movie's release date (June 16, 2023) is the 64th anniversary of his suicide.
I don't think it was intentional.....as many have pointed out, they kinda hamstrung themselves here because Crisis already did all the cool cameos so they had to dig deeper.
Fun fact: They been kicking around the idea of a flash movie since the late 90s - Early 2000s. Originally, Vin Diesel and Rob Cohen were attached to the project. Let that sink in: There's an alternate reality somewhere, where Vin Diesel is Barry Allen or Wally West
George Reeves's scene is so much worse than Christopher Reeve. George didn't just die. He commited seerside. BECAUSE he believed that being cast as Superman ruined his life and completely stunted his acting career (it kinda did). So reviving his character in such a way is just atrocious.
Ikr? People thought it was peak when that scene happened. But it's literally a curse to him. And look at this, the movie came out on the day he died, too. Even in death, he couldn't escape the curse.
As much as I don't want to be disrespectful, I really disagree. We will never know for 100% certain if George Reeves would have agreed to this cameo or not. But regardless of how it ended, his career is Superman inspired a generation. Without George Reeves, it's possible Superman might have Just falling off the radar and became a forgotten comic by the 1960s, and people might not even know who Superman is. Tons of people looked up to this incarnation of Superman, they felt they were with him on his journey. Not sure if you heard the story about a kid who almost shot George Reeves because he wanted to see the bullet bounce off of him, but he talked the kid out of it not by telling him that he wasn't actually Superman, but by telling him that if the bullet did actually bounce off of him, it might strike another innocent bystander. That's probably what Superman would do if he didn't have powers. And as tragic as it is that George Reeves probably did end everything because he thought his life was over because he was typecast as Superman, I can't help but wonder if he would actually be ashamed knowing that his legacy lived on for so long. There are tons of actors who are constantly in debt and the thought of landing such an iconic role that would be remembered for decades to come is considered a jackpot, whether you're type cast or not. Adam West also ran into problems when he was typecast as Batman, and I don't mean to say that he "handled it better" or anything , but he took advantage of his type cast. He mainly played exaggerated versions of himself, and even played an in universe type B forgotten kids superhero in an episode of the Goosebumps tv show, parodying his well-known role as Batman. And I know this is wrong to say, but it's honestly because of this very cameo in this movie that is driving me to wanting me to check out George Reeve's Superman show. Asad as it is to say, a lot of people today. Look down on anything that was made more than a few decades ago, assuming it'll be boring or offensive, but seeing it be put into a scene of such awe in a big movie like this naturally makes me and a lot of other Gen Z losers think to ourselves: "Oh... Well, If a movie made now on such a big budget is saying the show was good, then maybe there is actually something to it." I know a lot of people would have been happier if the cameo just wasn't there at all, but is it really more disrespectful to just pretend like the older incarnations of Superman never even happened, than it is to acknowledge it with perhaps some misguided CGI?
"a lot of other gen z losers" speak for yourself. This gen z loser does not think it was worth it at all. That Reeves' superman inspired a generation does not negate the fact that he was treated unfairly. And you present a false dichotomy in your last paragraph. There are ways to acknowledge previous incarnations exist other than the stunt they pulled here. They used an actor's likeness without their consent. That's wrong. It's really that simple. No amount of pointing out the positive attention it'll bring to the show will absolve the moral bankruptcy of the studio's actions
@@history-jovian What the heck are you talking about? Superman is a fictional character- one that has brought hope and kindness to so many people in the real world, why would we want to forget him? Furthermore, why would we want to forget the main role George Reeves is remembered for? One that brought so many smiles to so many children and adults even to this day? To forget something like that would be to let go of part of the world's soul.
The thing that didn’t make sense to me was the film makes no mention of who killed his mother. Even young Barry doing a lifetime of time travel never thinks to find out his mom’s killer.
You could make an interesting point about that, and about how Barry must accept that he'll never know like he has to accept his mother will die, that there's some things his powers can't do. But that would require a coherent writer on board.
They could have just made her mother die because of a heart attack. Then he learns about what happens and time travels tells her mother to eat healthy and easy. No need to tell who killed her
@@nicholassgobero given how quickly the perpetrator got away I suppose it could be RF. But then on the other hand, his dad being home should have made no difference to RF. I think the reason they never explained or showed her death is because this is a dead-end movie in a dead-end universe and there was no point casting a Thawne. So much so that throughout the movie he was his own worst enemy, figuratively and literally.
@@sahb8091 No, the reason they skipped over it, was that they probably edited the explanation out. Stopping the murder should have been the focus. Not the shopping trip. It makes things "neat" visually when you see the ending scene, but it's incomprehensible. Knowing Barry's Mother is stabbed in the kitchen, requires certain assumptions of time/location/opportunity. It's not as simple as having his dad drive away, the killer had motive/opportunity even if his dad is in the room to stop the killer. Potentially, the killer could have chosen to kill witnesses, ie. Barry's Dad and Barry himself. Barry is after all, a Forensic Assistant, unless Warner Bros / DC changed his career path ?? They recreate the lightning strike in a laboratory ... did they move the lab location so the age of Ezra Miller would work out better ? If Adult Barry, i.e. Barry 1 stays to watch his mother survive or intervenes, Adult (sic) Barry 1 would be a stalker and potential suspect, if the detectives trace the supermarket footage and eyewitnesses of a strange 20 year old watching the house from behind a tree or something. If Barry stays to check that the murder does/does not happen, it could just change the course of events further. Frankly, it's odd that Forensic Detective Barry Allen... would not stay around to observe who the original criminal was. It's been a LONG ASS TIME wondering who the murderer was, enough for it to influence your career choice. Decades of wondering why the police were inept, et al. And ending up in whatever situation the movie would manufacture i.e. foster care or out of state with relatives, etc. If it's Reverse Flash, the story requires certain events to be shown. Namely that Barry 1 AND Barry 2 shows up to allow fate to transpire. ie. Reverse Flash waits for Barry 1 to leave, thinking everything has been set right, Kills his mother, leaves, Barry 1 realises nothing changed, and goes back earlier to intervene with Barry 1, and invoke a showdown with RF. Then there's 3 Barry Allen's, sic. Butterfly effect really does not make sense that Flash affects the Kal'el / Zod timeline if the events happened ... in space. Explanations would require a fundamentally different universe or some prescient use of Fate Magic to resolve how or why this should/could happen if it's consequentialism. Speed Force usually has some kind of Magic effect in place, i.e. will/control of destination, transitive power on real world physics, etc. If Superman is murdered in Smallville, It's an opportunity for Time-Travel to go back and fix this too. Or, at least to rescue Kara from Russia and prevent that Red Son/Red Daughter storyline(s).
Totally agree. I don’t know why the movie felt the need to make the rules for their time travel so convoluted, specially since they couldn’t even avoid contradicting them. The idea of a “time boom” is nice because it’s a simply way of explaining how all of these changes happened to events that occurred prior to what Barry altered.
@@wayothefro3249t doesn’t really work in the established DCEU when most of the characters were born before the Flash. It easy to assume that the time boom can happen in the original story when Barry and the rest of the league were presumably around the same age as Barry when he lost his mother as a child.
In the animated Flashpoint movie, the time boom actually changes things before AND after the point Flash traveled back to. So if this movie had used this explanation, it would make sense ans Berry wouldn't have jumped timelines.
@@comixproviderftw_02 Clearly you did not watch the movie, Zoom explains that a time boom alters everything even slightly and in the animated movie even when he stops himself from saving his mother the present is still changed just slightly despite him having changed nothing. Time boom affects even before Barry was born, and even in the same continuity with crisis on infinite earths Barry quite literally created a time nuke by time travelling.
It’s kinda ironic that despite being in development hell for so many years, the moral of the Flash movie managed to be the complete opposite of Across the Spider-Verse, that being “saving lives makes things worse and you should never fight fate”.
Look, i don't think this movie is good but that not what it was trying to say nor can you say anything about the moral of ATSV since it is not completed
I think that's a better message than spiderverse tbh. Like the idea that miles (who's just a younger 2099) would be right in this instance doesn't make any sense. If the next movie involves him having a happy ever after then that would just be stupid.
Weird thing is, you would think that this movie's Batman, who basically cleaned up Gotham and should be a legendary hero by the 2020s, WOULDN'T have an issue with the police or militsry and they'd be like, "Oh, hey, Batman is here! Let's try to coordinate our attacks and back him up!"
Also still incredibly confusing without that context, since I mean. Sure, Batman's technically a criminal, but he's a criminal who isn't currently attacking them *like the fucking Kryptonians are* and yet they decided "fuck targeting the people trying to kill us and have made their intentions to do so very clear, focus fire on that other guy that just got here and don't even bother confirming whether or not he's a hostile target first."
@@saintcynicism2654 And I'm pretty sure he still works with the police on several occasions in his other iterations, it's just that a lot of his actions are beyond the law because his way is the most effective
@@saintcynicism2654 I think the whole fight is just fascinating anyway. So the US military sends in wave after wave against those unstoppable Kryptonian ships and soldiers? I mean the fight must have been going on for at least an hour at this point if not longer. The Kryptonians just have fun using their powers against people who can't even scratch them, i can get that. But what is the military doing?!? At this point they should have started using their big guns from far away, maybe even drop a tactical nuke (i know, there is a city in the distance (at least i remember that from MoS), but it's not like there isn't a precedent for using nukes in the DCEU). And then Batman arrives and thinks his rockets could damage the Kryptonian ship ... shows what a great tactician he is. At this point in the fight the military has surely fired at those ships with stronger things than his rockets and it's still flying. Just like the smaller fighters. Thanks, Bats, but you are useless ...
@TinyManu77 Eobard Thawne had planned the whole thing from the start. Let's hope the REAL Barry of the flash and ce friends stops Ezra or else we're doomed for another one or even...a cameo
The Christopher Reeve cameo should have just been Brandon Routh. Superman Returns was in continuity with the first two Reeve movies, meaning Routh was playing the same version of Superman as Reeve. They could have easily just called Brandon Routh, put him on a Superman suit, and have him stand there for like a second, instead of metaphorically diging up Christopher Reeve's grave, and it would probably even look better without the uncanny CGI.
Between this flash movie and cw crisis on infinite earths crossover event, you basically got 100% coverage across all the wb dc movie and TV intellectual properties, from reeves, reeve, routh, cage, Smallville, tyler and we even got kingdom come routh. The only character they did dirty was Henry Cavill. Why would you include 2 dead supermen actors and a cage never had been and a franchise killing George Clooney, but you couldn't kitbash the best most current cavill's superman anywhere except his cape and a dead baby name drop? Really? You basically excluded any and every Nolan related dc property, in your love letter to dc.
@@rjm_17 if only wb could have bought Nolan with a truck load of gold and a blank check. I think Nolan could have outdone kevin feige. Too bad he has too much integrity to be a wb corporate shill.
I don't understand why they would try to adapt Flashpoint, but then not use the explanation for the timeline differences from Flashpoint. Like, Thawn says that when you travel through time by going really fast, you create a shattering of the timeline, a 'time boom' in the same way that there's a sonic boom when you break the sound barrier, and that it ripples in both directions and changes things in both directions. This is a universe where somebody can run so good that they go back in time-- this concept is not the craziest idea
It's a weird concept all around because before that Flash could travel in time and no one really bothered asking why he didn't kill Hitler or save Christ or whatever, it was like a minor aplication rarely used because no one was buying Flash comics to see that. One time Barry was being chased by Death so he ran into the future after all life on Earth was gone and Death couldn't catch him there. Then he went back to finish his sunday with the inlaws. And that's it, no issues or pointless extrapolation.
@@canalsincontenido because going in the future where no one is there doesn't affect anything. He went to the heat death of the universe because Death couldn't exist where nothing lived. Also in Flashpoint Reverse Flash literally bitched Barry by asking why he didn't keep hitler in artschool or save JFK. Barry saved his mom because it was something personal and he thought that one life wouldn't affect the timeline all that much. Also that was Wally, not Barry who ran against Death.
@@theauthor6669 I meant that the first time he went to the far future and back it didn't jumpstart stories about time traveling because everyone knew that wasn't the point of the comic. That happened like 20 years before he though about saving his mom.
One thing that bothers me, is that why didn’t Barry go back in time to find out who murdered his mom, discreetly collect evidence to present against them and then go back to present day and, as the flash, use the evidence to lead police to the real murderer? Henry still gets freed but the timeline doesn’t get changed.
And yet all the marketing is like "Indiana Jones is the biggest movie in the world." They're just trying to gaslight people into thinking it's a good movie 😂
@@CorruptSharkisney was lying these days on twitter by editing reactions on cinema for fucking elementals lol like anyone would be excited on seeing a character from that movie
Fun Fact: The microwaving babies part was just Ezra being authentically himself and was not part of the script. They had to create a scene where the clip can be used. That's why you can see Ezra smiling so much in that scene.
Making Barry's speed affect things around him was always a weird decision to me. The comics' explanation was always "The speed force protects him and everyone from it" And any time his clothes caught fire i assumed it's cuz he's still new and doesn't know how to prevent it
Well it's possible it takes a split second for the speedforce shield to take hold. Therefore he needs to be careful when doing it or he goes too fast at the start this ensuing..bad stuff. Dunno just my headcanon
Good video. “A butterfly flaps its wings in the Amazonian jungle, and subsequently a storm ravages half of Europe.” Is an example of chaos theory from the 80’s. Stepping on a butterfly while time traveling isn’t quite as graceful an image but close enough.
Stepping on a butterfly while time travelling comes from Ray Bradbury's "A Sound of Thunder". Interestingly his use of a butterfly predates the coining of the term "butterfly effect" by about 10 years.
Would have been much better if he called Ezra a he as he should have and not played his pronoun game. Kind of undermines his roaring of HIM, Ezra Miller.
Having his dad face the camera shouldn't actually change anything. It just shows that he bought tomatoes before killing his wife since she didn't actually die till well after he got home.
The way the superior animated Flash film explained it was that Barry broke the timeline which caused the timeline to be distorted instead of the change just making an entire universe
That still makes no sense, how's he changing EVERYONES lives he had nothing to do with? You got Thomas Wayne as Batman which was way before Barry was even born or a baby, Aquaman is a killer Hitler which had nothing to do with Barry, Diana is a mob boss basically that had a relationship with another person that had nothing to do with Barry The butterfly effect only works when the person that changes things, is the same person that directly affects everything, so this Flsshpoint mess is stupid....why did the show do this better? He directly changed things cuz it revolves around the Star Labs and the particle accelerator and THAT affected everyone cuz of Barry's interference through Thawn wanting to go home, something that's been at play since season 1...the looming threat to push the story, that's what's missing from this movie and the whole Flashpoint storyline
The CW show dug themselves out of the burning clothes hole by explaining that as Barry developed his powers, his protective aura of speed force got stronger and therefore cancelled friction burn. Ezra just grooms the clothes off everyone.
@@akashajones6079 Nothing about the flash makes sense. The speedforce is just the magic "get out of jail free" card for the flash to do whatever the writers want. "Oh Barry can move people at superspeed and they won't be harmed because the speedforce said it was okay." "Oh Barry can run at speeds faster than time but it doesn't cause catastrophic damage to the ground he's running on or explode the air around him because the speedforce told us not to worry about it anymore." You can just ask any question about how the flash works and it be answered by "Because speed force 👍"
Honestly the film could've been already trashed due to Ezra being not only involved but involved while being heavily defended by Hollywood against the actual crimes this unhinged piece of fecal sludge commited. But i respect people going above and beyond with making this movie an actual garbage - just so we could trash it based on it's own merits.
To be fair, looking into it, most of the people involved either didn't press charges, or the situation is so complicated that you can't just go "Arrest him on the crime of having a creepy relationship with my son and allegedly asking to sleep in the same bed as him." Like, he was actually charged for burglary, but he wasn't charged for assaulting the woman because she didn't press charges against him. So, there's a level of "Guys, we can't just charge him for being a creep or running a cult, he has to actually commit a crime and have charges pressed against him for that crime."
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917you do know, that cults are mostly illegal, therfore against the law, right? I deadass don't know any country that openly allows them. But then again, I'm not American. So idk how it is there.
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 So like… they’re still a terrible person, but they can’t be charged for their numerous crimes because with the only „concrete“ ones, the people involved didn’t press charges… On another note, we shouldn’t forget that the director also once said that this movie „will change everyone’s perception of [Ezra Miller]“, which is both absolutely insane and ridiculously funny
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 Leaving everything else aside, he got arrested for assault at least 3 times and once for burglary, there's nothing "complicated" about that, you, me, or anyone else who isn't a privileged piece of sht would never get away with that.
Honestly my main thing (besides the main star being a legitimately terrible person while still being defended by the system) is the costume like… someone in the modelling department went wrong somewhere. Say what you will about justice league, but Barry’s costume looked good.
Yeah it's..too shrink wrapped and also too buff. The Justice League suit made sense and was actually really awesome, and it didnt accentuate the muscles because it didnt need to.
No he’s not lmao😂 if u think this video pointing out a few nit picks were bad go watch everyone reviewing the cw lmao. It’s constant hate towards cw Barry character and consistency. Cw Barry fucking died to captain boomerang in season 9😂 beat written flash my ass
@@Schwartzbruder1 Absolutely. 90% of the actors are phenomenal. Grant being one of the best among them. Its just a shame that the writing went from 'meh' to 'OH GOD OH FUCK WHAT THE HELL IS THIS' lmfao
Flashpoint has always been a frustrating storyline because the way they make it work (in the cases I've seen) is just the action of time travel affects all parts of that timeline, so stuff way further back than when they arrived will be different too so to me it doesn't matter if he goes back again to let his mother die because everything's going to change again when he tries to go back to the present day. He would essentially have to constantly travel through time until he lands on a timeline that he likes which is extremely unlikely but movie gotta movie.
In the comics/ animation, he changes the past and then wake up as a regular person, he dit not have to go back to the present, the effects took effet right away, because his mother never died, so he never became the flash, it worked more like regular time travel, he alter the past and became part of it, even when he stoped himself form changing the past, he create a new version of the preset, that started the new 52.
@@SuperKratosgamer Yup. That still has problems but compared to this movie it is cogent and much more simplified. In general, I'd caution writers to avoid time travel and multiverses because unless you know what those are and map out rules and limitations, it can easily break your story. The only exception is like an Isekai style story where you have a character transported to clearly a different world than our own. That works because that premise relatively speaking is a lot easier to conceptualize than multiple timelines or multiverses where it can get really confusing if you aren't clear cut.
@@flashergoldpower15yea. The problem fundamentally comes from DC just using this timetravel plot device to reboot the setting. Even after they started New52 they screwed up again so for the following years they ended up using Dr Manhattan to "fix" the continuity creating an even bigger mess
So with the rules of time travel set up in this movie that would mean the flash never saved the world in justice league and just ran to a univeres were the world was saved.
He got the time travel rules wrong in the video. They don't go to a new universe, going back in time changes the things in the future and the past. He got confused because batman held two strands of spaghetti during the explanation.
The Justice League series of events haven't happened yet. This takes place during the events of Man of Steel which is like 2 years before Batman v Superman and 3 years before Justice League.
I don't understand why its so hard to just write that Barry can transfer the speed force to things that he is touching. His power isn't running super fast, it's accelerating himself by applying a separate force of physics to his body - why couldn't he just do that to his clothes and people he's rescuing? This would also fix the problem of catching people at high speeds = death, because the Speed Force is entirely resetting their momentum rather than just applying an equal and opposite force against it. Is it entirely because the writers want to play wink-wink nudge-nudge with the audience by preempting their stupid gotcha moments? Does that entirely bite their ability to have Barry use his powers creatively in the ass? The world may never know...
Which is funny because the movie does establish that he transfers the powers to others with the vibrating through the door scene. He vibrates his clothes and Barry 2 through the door into the forensics lab which has no detrimental affects to Barry 2 or either of their clothes. What pissed me off is that, during the fight against Zod, Barry 1 goes "they're stronger but we're faster, we can't beat them but we can distract them" and then like 10 seconds into the fight Barry vibrates his arm through the one kryptonian's chest, killing him instantly.
Interesting how Patty Jenkins says everyone sees their movies as a follow up to the Snyder Cut, James Wan himself saying that as promotion for Aquaman, despite the contradictions
Batman uses the word "retrocausal" in order to evoke the comic's explanation of time travel in which changing an event in the "time stream" literally sends ripples forwards *and* *backwards* through time, like literally throwing a rock into a stream which sends ripples in all directions, not just forwards. Whether thats how time works in this film, I'm unsure as I've not seen it, but in the comics it wasn't necessarily an "alternate universe" situation like in Dragon Ball but more that changing the time stream changes things in both directions
They explained it as a sort of... Fulcrum, a sea saw is a way. Where to timelines intersect each other at that point of time, which retroactively changes both future and past... It was... Different at least
Honestly, that's my biggest problem in any DC media that has Batman fight a kryptonian of any kind. Yeah, Batman is a human at the absolute peak, but Superman survives nukes to the face. Batman really should just be breaking his own fist like Deadpool punching Colossus.
From my understanding the kryptonians from Zod's forces hadn't adjusted to the atmosphere and their suits protected them from the sun, which is where they get their powers from. So they aren't at Superman's level yet because they still had their suits on. I remember that scene in Man of Steel where Zod loses his helmet and has to take time to adjust to earth.
@@thedarklordx think they mean an already famous or existing flash villain from his rogues gallery. They just made up their own original character for the movie instead of taking from the Flash’s lore.
I swear there needs to be a whole lecture/ memo sent to writers about superpowers and being consistent with limitations. Brandon Sanderson is one of my favorite fantasy writers and the creator of the term "Hard magic": magic with rules. And he gave three rules, and one of them is Limitations > Capabilities. We like it when characters have clear cut limitations because it gives them an obstacle to overcome; instead of ramming through ships, like Captain Marvel or Superman(Seriously, don't ever put that in your story; it reduces tension so much) and reducing stakes/ tension. In the case of the Flash movie, they had an opportunity with caloric intake at the beginning. You could have worked with that. Maybe, Barry's calories are consumed when he taps into the Speed Force? Maybe time traveling or moving very fast in that hyper time speed, consumes them and thus he needs to consume a lot of food. Thus, he's spending most of his money on food or needs specialized caloric bars(which can cost resources) to eat. You create a limitation where Barry may run out of those bars and in turn without the calories, he lacks the stamina to handle the speed force, and thus needs to use his inate skills to save the day. But no; spectacle over substance. How disappointing.
You can have your hero ram through spaceships if you want, you just need to establish a threat that they *can't* ram through. Or in other words, the limitations can be very high as long as they're explained and actually relevant to the plot.
@@basedeltazero714A very valid point. To use the CM example, the film could have established that ships with specialized metal or barriers can resist her strength. The movie makers would need to account for this each time to avoid asking the question of why not exercising said option( I shudder at the bombers and lack of Y wings in TLJ) but it’s as you said, it’s feasible. Combine that with some sort of energy stock or time limit and you got clear cut limitations.
Honestly, while Sanderson's hard fantasy thing is fine as far as it goes, there are tons of movies and works of art which don't follow this and do just fine. It is important to have limitations, but you don't need some kind of resource bar to make this happen.
@@tehy123 I would agree t if we're talking soft-magic. For example, Tolkien was smart to have a lot of Gandalf's wizard abilities suited for him taking down enemies that none of the Fellowship realistically could handle, like a Balrog, instead of say teleporting the Fellowship as close to Mordor as possible. It's more so how you utilize the magic within your story that matters. For example, Cinderella is actually a good example because the Fairy Godmother gives Cinderella the dress, carriage and everything but there's a limit for how long the spell happens. We don't know how the spell works, but we have a ticking time clock that allows for tension to creep up between Cinderella and the Prince.
Tbh after Ezra’s Tour of Terror across the US, I don’t think the movie would’ve ever had a chance to be well received because their actions cast a huge shadow over the production itself given that they’re the star, so seeing them makes you think of all the various crimes instead of the movie itself
I'm one of those rare people who actually watched The Flash tv series in its entirety. I love CW shows though and they knew how to insert just enough drama with their superhero stuff to satisfy me. A great episode line up is season 3 episode 1+2. In episode 1 of season 3, Barry has saved his mother, and the timeline has changed drastically, multiple speedsters and Wally West is on the scene as Kid Flash in this timeline. Barry begins losing memories from the previous timeline as events that didn't happen are slowly getting replaced and destroyed entirely. Near the end of episode 1, we find out that it's Flashpoint. Episode 2 he tries to reset the timeline, let his mother die, and try to see if everything fixes itself, but it doesn't. During season 2 iris and her father had a lot of srama over Wally and Iris's mother and resolved it quickly . In S3E2, we find out they are still fighting over iris's father keeping her mother a secret, and Cisco's brother died in this timeline. Cisco becomes the stupidest character for like 9 episodes until he drops it, all because he wants Barry to create another flashpoint for Cisco's brother. The show did time travel the best they could, alternate timelines, extra dimensions, etc etc. The movie on the other hand was horrible. I tried watching it and the first 5 minutes are pure cringe. When he's doing that weird modeling stance as the flash, and then all those teenage girls start screaming at him, the movie died right there and then for me.
"Just enough" drama?? More like "way too much drama for each season is shoved into every episode". I *want* to like the CW shit, but man... big picture there's some good stuff in most of them, but they just can't resist making every scene, every bit of dialogue, as melodramatic as possible. The writers don't understand the meaning of the word "subtle". To the detriment of the shows.
I continue to think that 22 episodes hurts too; too many episodes. If they cut it to, say, 14, that would help. Maybe cut the season in half and try to essentially make 2 seasons within each season, giving each 11 episodes? Stop relying on the same formula to beat enemies, allow characters and relationships to grow and mature... and if you have any episodes left over (like, you only need 9 and 11 for each "season", so you have 2 left over), instead of filler episodes to bloat the storyline, just shift it to the end and have fun with a "What if...?" storyline that isn't in continuity, just a fun standalone story. (DC, not Marvel, so I guess "Elseworlds", not "What if...?"?)
I remember the animated version of this had the Flash alter events from BEFORE him showing up, too. It was explained with a "time boom," like a sonic boom after you break the sound barrier.
One small objection : in the comics, Batman *IS* an expert in quantum physics, and in basically everything else. Comics' Batman has more knowledge than Marvel's Doctor Strange could ever dream of having because they just had to make him that ludicrously smart to explain the fact that he was able to keep up and outsmart an actually effective Barry using his hyperspeed to think faster, and supervillans whose cunning was their main supernatural ability. He even predicted a time traveler's appearance, and outwits a guy who is literally called BRAINiac. But yeah no this movie is stupid, go ahead, there's no way it's even consistent with the comics remotely.
One, this isn't the comics, you need to explain how or why a character has knowledge they shouldn't Two, it doesn't make sense he'd be an expert at something he had no experience with, Flash is the one that time travels and is a scientist, so only he should have that knowledge, even Superman as smart as he is should have limited knowledge of Quantum physics......Batman just gets all the plot armor and people love to excuse it for bs reasons
7:00 I always assumed the clothing burning thing was something you could prevent by getting good. Like, once a speedster gets sufficiently skilled at using the speed force, they can protect their clothes too. Personally, I'd extend this to being a pre-req for moving people. That way you could still have steaks, but also a possible solution to problems.
7:24 Editing to include the GOT interview clip on "Forgot" to clue a select few on a classic media criticism inside joke really shows how much love went into this video. Amazing job. 💙
The ending of that movie always makes me go WTF since the rules were not the standard time travel rules. Going through so much staff to get this movie made really showed in the presentation.
YOU TOO!? DUUUUUUDE! I TOO was assaulted by the Flash movie, and I TOO went on a crime spree across the continental United States as a result of being metaphorically, mentally, and physically gr@p3d in the movie theater!
"Retrocausality" Is a "Real" quantum-mechanics term, but they really should've.... y'know.... defined it for people who aren't freaks like me? It just means that things in those timeline's futures impact the past.
So glad you made this video. This is the best explanation of the stupid plot. I didn't want to watch the movie to find out myself but this is a really good way to understand the movie without watching it.
I always hated how the dceu chooses to portray his superspeed, like everything around him is moving in slow motion, which should signify him moving faster than anything around him, but like he too is moving in (if slightly less) slow motion and then randomly teleports around, to get wherever he needs to, whenever he needs to, the x men movies used a similar technique for quicksilver, but they made every action well quicker and more fluid, whereas here every single motion is dragged out to an excruciating degree, it makes the scenes that are supposed to depict super speed, the slowest in the film
I really, really hope James Gunn can save the DC movie curse with the reboot. I've been so burnt out on Superhero movies, both Marvel and DC because of how bad they are and it makes me sad since I've been a comic book fan since before I could even read. I don't want to hate these movies, I try to find things I like in everything I watch but Jesus, they really make it hard to now. They're becoming so soulless and corporate, the only things keeping me from giving up are the few gems that pop up like The Suicide Squad, The Batman, ZSJL, No Way Home (which still suffered but not as much), and my optimism. If Superman Legacy turns out to be bad or one of the few good films that comes out of the reboot, I give up man. I'll just stick to reading
Just watched this, and Keaton ruled this movie. He was so badass in this film and all his scenes were just Epic. this wasnt a Flash movie. This was Michael Keatons return as Batman
In the CW show it is explained that he has a layer of the speed force around him when he runs fast. I don't remember when it was, I think it was season 2 but Comic Books vs The World made a video about it years ago
Future generations (provided they actually WATCH The Flash) are going to need a spreadsheet for all the behind-the-scenes f**kery that led to this confused mess
Honestly as a massive fan of Barry Allen's Flash I just have so little interest in this film and probably won't ever see it. From Ezra Miller just... being Ezra Miller, to the shoving in of a Flashpoint style story and all the nostalgia bate of things I don't care about, I just had no interest. The Flash TV show early on began to build out Barry Allen's world, but by the time we got to season 2 things like his regular rogues gallery were being put into other shows or just vanished, and in general I feel like the baseline of Barry Allen's universe or at least what I associated with it from the comics was pretty quickly disappearing from the show. I wish we got a Flash film about Barry Allen's day-to-day life more in-line with the comics, so no team Flash, no Iris as his step-sister, no time travel, just him traversing Central City and balancing his civilian life whilst the Rogues are on the loose. I'm so tired of stories focused around the speed force or his mother, I think its relied on too much for Barry's character and the Rogues are such a fun concept that I feel the show dropped the ball on. It could be a much smaller intimate story whilst also having really inventive and fun action scenes, from Barry's powers to also the Rogues, I mean Mirror Master could be such a cinematic villain.
25:38 They also revived in the movie a dead actor from around the 90s who after being casted for Superman, couldn't find any other job and career and took his life for it. And they revived him to be another alternative of Superman. Pretty fricked up.
I'm just amazed how much pop culture has ingrained just one type of time travel into people's minds...... Endgame didn't create its own time travel, it just used one of the real theories regarding time travel that isn't in line with the vanilla "same timeline" theory which leads to a grandfather paradox
I know this is basically the premise of Flashpoint in all it's incarnations but I hate the idea that changing Barry's mom's murder affects stuff unrelated to it like where Kal's rocket lands. It feels like they're just writing random bullshit and saying "ahh but it's time travel so anything goes"
It makes even less sense when you think about the fact that if we assume Barry and Clark are the same age (I kinda assume Superman is on the older side of the league), his crash happens when he is an infant (or while he is gestating depending on continuity) while Barry’s mom dies when he’s like 10 or something. So saving his mom affects things that happened A DECADE EARLIER somehow. The Batman stuff makes even less sense, like why would Joe Chill shoot the kid in any scenario; he shoots Thomas cuz he thinks he’s a threat, Martha to cover his tracks, but can’t bring himself to kill a kid. In what alternate timeline does he only kill the kid? For what reason? I could go on but you get the point.
@@jackhiggins3936 it could work as an elseworld story or a reality warp, the stuff in it is interesting (the Atlantean-Amazon war, Thomas Wayne as Batman, Superman locked away) but they connected it to time travel in a way that makes no sense
A few fundimentals about this movie that set it up to fail is that Barry's mom isnt guarenteed to live just because he stopped his dad from going to the store. If it was reverse flash who killed her than likely this would either change nothing or both his parents would be dead. If it was just a random person it still isnt guarenteed that his dad can somehow stop this person. Also this film alters the flashes powetset and personality to the point where he's not even the same character anymore. The flash in this universe is demonstrated to have nearly super strength moving cars and objects far too big for what he would normally handle, and his speed is so destructive and reality altering it can't be used for any of the same purposes it is in the comics and cartoons. He can't even save people with it. It has been reduced to basically a time travel power, something the flash does very rarely in other media because 1 it is difficult and it takes him a long time to become that fast and 2 its dangerous. In this film the time travel is so much more prevelant than the speed to the point where when bruce dies in combat his method of saving him is to repeat the battle despite already knowing that time travel to change events is catastrophic, Rather than run at light speed to take him to a hospital or something like the flash probably would in any other media where he hadn't been so agregiously misunderstood. ALLLLSOOO linear time travel is what makes flashpoint matter, it means his history is different and its actually HIS life, no 2 barrys. In this movie if he just travels universes than he could just travel back to his and there's acrually no issue. Anyway my gamer rant is over now but i want to see a flash movie where he is more inline with the classic character and uses hisbpowers creatively to overcome his limitations instead of just giving him random invulnerability and strength and effortless time travel.
This movie is essentially just like a giant shart escaping the mangled corpse that is the DCEU. Yeah, you heard me, The Flash is the DCEU shitting itself as it dies. Man I hope James Gunn manages to make something good of all this...
Something that really bothers me is that the movie really tries to eat its cake and have it too when it comes to time travel. It says that Barry time traveled back in time in his own universe so he could bring his mom back but then says that the time that he went to with younger Barry actually has a different past than his own universe which means that he in his own universe his mom still dies. It's basically trying to convince the audience that Barry time traveled when in reality he just hopped timelines but it also implies that by him going back in time to let his mom die the other timeline never occurs so this implies that Barry never actually time travels but rather can bring the multiverse in and out of existence at the snap of a finger and that's super messed up and confuses me so bad since none of it makes sense. (Yes, I have posted this in other comment sections. I just thought that it really pertained to what's mentioned in this particular video.)
i can’t believe the flash movie that got canceled before this was a wally west flash movie made by the same directors as the SPIDERVERSE movies and had ryan reynolds play wally.
This. The Flash has problems, but there are answers, even if as context clues. And this is from someone who HATES the movie, mind you. The reason the babies, dog, and nurse are unaffected is because the Speed Force projects outwards. Normal humans can be affected, but they do suffer side effects... The vomiting, for instance. You can't just whip them around, but you *can* dampen the effect of hyper speed. But "movie bad lmao" is more funny and gets more clicks, I guess.
@@J.HawkerFair point, but is that explained in the move or previous movies, or are you getting this from other sources that have nothing to do with the actual movies version of the speed force?
@@sadchild9478 Context clues within the movie itself, combined with previous movie circumstances that Barry is put through. There's no excuse for it to not have been better-defined or even explained, and I say that having the personal belief that not all things need a direct explanation within a movie. If you notice, when Barry manipulates objects to be on his "timescale", there's a shift in the color of his 'lightning'. They get zapped by blue, rather than his suit's orange/gold. The same blue that normally protects him, if not his clothing, when he's out of the suit. When they do, it seems that they get a small amount of protection from the superspeed he exerts on them. Or, maybe the movie is just inconsistent for a gag about microwaving a baby, I'unnolol.
damn i really like that idea of time travel that you described with help of the graph, it is unique and destroys most of the issues i have with time travel tropes (mainly that it is boring and dumb and the consequences are always boring, dumb, and nonsensical)
@@rainbowsnek Batman said changing something in time creates a new future and a new past. Sheev thought they were traveling to a new universe with a different past when they're really just overwriting the same one.
@@rainbowsnek Well universe hopping to a near identical reality is becoming a more popular method of time travel like in Rick and Morty but some people complain that it kind of ruins the stakes when there are an infinite number of universes you can hop to. The idea that when you change something in a timeline, your universe becomes unstable and is forced to change other random other things in a time ricochet until it stabilizes again was pretty new to me.
Them doing "flashpoint" AGAIN, is a lot like Marvel doing the "Dark Phoenix Saga" in the X-Men OVER AND OVER... Even though Flash and the X-Men have HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of other stories... They just keep harping on one or two of them. Why? Your guess is as good as any. But the LIKELY reason.. Is that company execs don't read comics and ONLY know what's already been tried.
They 100% made all the cgi bad in the speed force to cover up the bad CGI cameos. All so the director could say “oh nah it was all supposed to look bad, it was a style choice I swear”
12:06 i think the point here was that barry knew the tomato can would change things obviously, so he knew that he would cause some kind of damage regardless so he wanted to cause the least amount of damage to the timeline as possible. Any other change might cause more damage than hes willing to let slide.
Re: about moving people. Is it too fucking much to ask that the writers simply say: "When Flash moves people, the Speed Force extends to them so they can move super fast, and it applies to his clothes too. Kinda how Superman's super strength is kind of a pychich field so he can move huge masses without it breaking"
Ya gotta love how neither the writers of the show nor any of the movies actually know how the Speedforce works. But they also don't seem to know anything about Barry Allen either.
8:12 this has led to the best edit I’ve ever seen where it looks like he puts the baby in the mircowave when he’s on the ground and it’s fucking brilliant
10:17 that’s not the butterfly affect at all. The butterfly affect refers to the wings of a butterfly. The pattern on each wing match each other. The idea is that changing the pattern on one wing has to change the pattern on the other wing. Doesn’t matter how small the pattern is, how similar it is to the other pattern. By changing it the second wing must change with it. One wing represents the future and the other the past.
"The term is closely associated with the work of mathematician and meteorologist Edward Norton Lorenz. He noted that the butterfly effect is derived from the metaphorical example of the details of a tornado (the exact time of formation, the exact path taken) being influenced by minor perturbations such as a distant butterfly flapping its wings several weeks earlier." "The butterfly effect concept has since been used outside the context of weather science as a broad term for any situation where a small change is supposed to be the cause of larger consequences." I think you might be thinking of the way it's explained in Until Dawn, where they use the "veins" in the butterfly's wings to represent timelines.
I assumed that barry from the show's clothes stopped burning up because of getting a better handle of the speed force and aura, though admittedly that's just head cannon.
Okay as far as I know they did not use any deepfake or ai stuff for the cameos of the old crossovers. In an article they said they were searching for scenes on youtube and cleaned them up before using them in the film. Idk but that just feels even worse to me Edit: I looked it up again the scenes were cgi it seems like but they were actually using audio clips from youtube videos. The audio team confirmed that they searched old youtube videos and stuff to try and get the audio from them.
Couldn't they have just gotten a Blu-ray or something if they didn't have the footage? Like, every TH-cam has image compression on it to some degree, so you'd think that going to TH-cam would be a last resort. It's why TH-camrs normally buy the DVDs or Blu-rays for their deep dives.
To all of you telling me my explanation of the Butterfly Effect is wrong, you could at least be less condescending while you blatantly misinterpret what I said.
Yeah they're being very pedantic. The real issue is that the butterfly effect says any minor event *can* have drastic effects, not that is necessarily always *will*...but yeah your point still stands, the time travel is still stupid, Barry should have still been concerned about it, and it WOULD have probably changed reality a lot.
It's just semantics it's just nitpicking
I mean what you said is an example of it anyways so its good
You could at least be less passive aggressive while trying to chalk up being objectively incorrect about how the butterfly effect got its name to ‘blatantly misinterpreting what you said’.
@@purplehaze2358I’m not being passive aggressive. I’m being fully aggressive.
Not gonna lie, the scene of Ezra microwaving and eating all those babies was quite the highlight of the film. The fact it was improvised on the spot just makes the scene even more impressive to me.
Love this
"Look! Ezra Miller's filming a scene where he's microwaving babies."
"I don't see any cameras."
Jesus christ my dude
Fun fact: that scene was entirely ad-libbed. He was just eating lunch on set and the camera just happened to be recording at the time.
It revealed so much about actual Hollywood I'm surprised it stayed in.
Fun fact, the CGI looks so bad because it wasn’t actually CGI. The directors had a “bring your kid to work day”, and had the cameras rolling when Ezra Miller walked into the same room as the children.
They trusted him in a room with children? No wonder he looked like he was gonna nut...
The producers said let him cook…
Then Ezra wiped out the microwave
@@fer8353no its not and no he isnt
@@fer8353when and where?
@@fer8353innocent of what, he was caught being reckless
The part of this movie that really pissed me off is when they CGIed a cameo for George Reeves' Superman (the 50s TV Superman). Reeves took his own life because he felt trapped in a failing career where he was constantly typecast as Superman. He couldn't escape Superman in life, ended his life because of it, and now thanks to this movie he can't escape it it in death.
Oh, and this movie's release date (June 16, 2023) is the 64th anniversary of his suicide.
Damn… Whether that was intentionally or not, that’s fucked up.
I don't think it was intentional.....as many have pointed out, they kinda hamstrung themselves here because Crisis already did all the cool cameos so they had to dig deeper.
Jesus Christ they even picked the 64th anniversary for that crap Superman 64 game! 😫😨🥶
An insult so severe even Lex Luthor would be ashamed
Holy fucking shit
Bro when Ezra Miller said "It's Flashing Time" I screamed. Screamed for the cops.
At that moment, all the people in my theater erupted in applause. Truly one of the moments in history
My favorite part of the flash was when the flash said “it’s flashing time!” And flashed all over the place
My favorite part is when he said "It's flashing time" to the teenage girls before dropping his pants and chokeslamming them
Normally I’d shit on someone for using this format, but you had an actually funny spin on it. Here’s a quarter. Thanks for the laugh
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And hide the children away from him.
Fun fact: They been kicking around the idea of a flash movie since the late 90s - Early 2000s. Originally, Vin Diesel and Rob Cohen were attached to the project. Let that sink in:
There's an alternate reality somewhere, where Vin Diesel is Barry Allen or Wally West
That… sounds… hilarious.
Well he *does* care about family
I mean he is fast
@@enn1924 and is furious
@@history-jovianAnd he is Groot.
George Reeves's scene is so much worse than Christopher Reeve. George didn't just die. He commited seerside. BECAUSE he believed that being cast as Superman ruined his life and completely stunted his acting career (it kinda did). So reviving his character in such a way is just atrocious.
Ikr? People thought it was peak when that scene happened. But it's literally a curse to him.
And look at this, the movie came out on the day he died, too. Even in death, he couldn't escape the curse.
As much as I don't want to be disrespectful, I really disagree.
We will never know for 100% certain if George Reeves would have agreed to this cameo or not. But regardless of how it ended, his career is Superman inspired a generation. Without George Reeves, it's possible Superman might have Just falling off the radar and became a forgotten comic by the 1960s, and people might not even know who Superman is. Tons of people looked up to this incarnation of Superman, they felt they were with him on his journey.
Not sure if you heard the story about a kid who almost shot George Reeves because he wanted to see the bullet bounce off of him, but he talked the kid out of it not by telling him that he wasn't actually Superman, but by telling him that if the bullet did actually bounce off of him, it might strike another innocent bystander. That's probably what Superman would do if he didn't have powers.
And as tragic as it is that George Reeves probably did end everything because he thought his life was over because he was typecast as Superman, I can't help but wonder if he would actually be ashamed knowing that his legacy lived on for so long. There are tons of actors who are constantly in debt and the thought of landing such an iconic role that would be remembered for decades to come is considered a jackpot, whether you're type cast or not.
Adam West also ran into problems when he was typecast as Batman, and I don't mean to say that he "handled it better" or anything , but he took advantage of his type cast. He mainly played exaggerated versions of himself, and even played an in universe type B forgotten kids superhero in an episode of the Goosebumps tv show, parodying his well-known role as Batman.
And I know this is wrong to say, but it's honestly because of this very cameo in this movie that is driving me to wanting me to check out George Reeve's Superman show. Asad as it is to say, a lot of people today. Look down on anything that was made more than a few decades ago, assuming it'll be boring or offensive, but seeing it be put into a scene of such awe in a big movie like this naturally makes me and a lot of other Gen Z losers think to ourselves:
"Oh... Well, If a movie made now on such a big budget is saying the show was good, then maybe there is actually something to it."
I know a lot of people would have been happier if the cameo just wasn't there at all, but is it really more disrespectful to just pretend like the older incarnations of Superman never even happened, than it is to acknowledge it with perhaps some misguided CGI?
"a lot of other gen z losers" speak for yourself. This gen z loser does not think it was worth it at all. That Reeves' superman inspired a generation does not negate the fact that he was treated unfairly. And you present a false dichotomy in your last paragraph. There are ways to acknowledge previous incarnations exist other than the stunt they pulled here. They used an actor's likeness without their consent. That's wrong. It's really that simple. No amount of pointing out the positive attention it'll bring to the show will absolve the moral bankruptcy of the studio's actions
@@carealoo744It would have been great for people to forget that that superman does exist, mainly because he would have gotten his peace.
@@history-jovian What the heck are you talking about? Superman is a fictional character- one that has brought hope and kindness to so many people in the real world, why would we want to forget him? Furthermore, why would we want to forget the main role George Reeves is remembered for? One that brought so many smiles to so many children and adults even to this day? To forget something like that would be to let go of part of the world's soul.
The thing that didn’t make sense to me was the film makes no mention of who killed his mother. Even young Barry doing a lifetime of time travel never thinks to find out his mom’s killer.
You could make an interesting point about that, and about how Barry must accept that he'll never know like he has to accept his mother will die, that there's some things his powers can't do.
But that would require a coherent writer on board.
I have a feeling they'll say It was reverse flash If that ever happens, The scene where she dies kinda implied it
They could have just made her mother die because of a heart attack. Then he learns about what happens and time travels tells her mother to eat healthy and easy. No need to tell who killed her
@@nicholassgobero given how quickly the perpetrator got away I suppose it could be RF. But then on the other hand, his dad being home should have made no difference to RF. I think the reason they never explained or showed her death is because this is a dead-end movie in a dead-end universe and there was no point casting a Thawne. So much so that throughout the movie he was his own worst enemy, figuratively and literally.
@@sahb8091 No, the reason they skipped over it, was that they probably edited the explanation out.
Stopping the murder should have been the focus. Not the shopping trip.
It makes things "neat" visually when you see the ending scene, but it's incomprehensible.
Knowing Barry's Mother is stabbed in the kitchen, requires certain assumptions of time/location/opportunity. It's not as simple as having his dad drive away, the killer had motive/opportunity even if his dad is in the room to stop the killer. Potentially, the killer could have chosen to kill witnesses, ie. Barry's Dad and Barry himself.
Barry is after all, a Forensic Assistant, unless Warner Bros / DC changed his career path ?? They recreate the lightning strike in a laboratory ... did they move the lab location so the age of Ezra Miller would work out better ?
If Adult Barry, i.e. Barry 1 stays to watch his mother survive or intervenes, Adult (sic) Barry 1 would be a stalker and potential suspect, if the detectives trace the supermarket footage and eyewitnesses of a strange 20 year old watching the house from behind a tree or something. If Barry stays to check that the murder does/does not happen, it could just change the course of events further.
Frankly, it's odd that Forensic Detective Barry Allen... would not stay around to observe who the original criminal was. It's been a LONG ASS TIME wondering who the murderer was, enough for it to influence your career choice. Decades of wondering why the police were inept, et al. And ending up in whatever situation the movie would manufacture i.e. foster care or out of state with relatives, etc.
If it's Reverse Flash, the story requires certain events to be shown. Namely that Barry 1 AND Barry 2 shows up to allow fate to transpire. ie. Reverse Flash waits for Barry 1 to leave, thinking everything has been set right, Kills his mother, leaves, Barry 1 realises nothing changed, and goes back earlier to intervene with Barry 1, and invoke a showdown with RF.
Then there's 3 Barry Allen's, sic.
Butterfly effect really does not make sense that Flash affects the Kal'el / Zod timeline if the events happened ... in space. Explanations would require a fundamentally different universe or some prescient use of Fate Magic to resolve how or why this should/could happen if it's consequentialism. Speed Force usually has some kind of Magic effect in place, i.e. will/control of destination, transitive power on real world physics, etc.
If Superman is murdered in Smallville, It's an opportunity for Time-Travel to go back and fix this too. Or, at least to rescue Kara from Russia and prevent that Red Son/Red Daughter storyline(s).
Personally I prefer the 'Time Boom' explanation from the animated Flashpoint. Feels much more like proper comic book BS instead of regular BS.
Totally agree. I don’t know why the movie felt the need to make the rules for their time travel so convoluted, specially since they couldn’t even avoid contradicting them. The idea of a “time boom” is nice because it’s a simply way of explaining how all of these changes happened to events that occurred prior to what Barry altered.
@@wayothefro3249t doesn’t really work in the established DCEU when most of the characters were born before the Flash. It easy to assume that the time boom can happen in the original story when Barry and the rest of the league were presumably around the same age as Barry when he lost his mother as a child.
In the animated Flashpoint movie, the time boom actually changes things before AND after the point Flash traveled back to. So if this movie had used this explanation, it would make sense ans Berry wouldn't have jumped timelines.
@@comixproviderftw_02 Clearly you did not watch the movie, Zoom explains that a time boom alters everything even slightly and in the animated movie even when he stops himself from saving his mother the present is still changed just slightly despite him having changed nothing.
Time boom affects even before Barry was born, and even in the same continuity with crisis on infinite earths Barry quite literally created a time nuke by time travelling.
It’s kinda ironic that despite being in development hell for so many years, the moral of the Flash movie managed to be the complete opposite of Across the Spider-Verse, that being “saving lives makes things worse and you should never fight fate”.
Miles: nah, imma do my own thing
Look, i don't think this movie is good but that not what it was trying to say nor can you say anything about the moral of ATSV since it is not completed
I think that's a better message than spiderverse tbh. Like the idea that miles (who's just a younger 2099) would be right in this instance doesn't make any sense. If the next movie involves him having a happy ever after then that would just be stupid.
@@KOFUNLOADEDWe aren’t supposed to think Miles is the objectively right party. His morals are just, but saying his father puts billions at risk.
But Barry is confirmed to be in the wrong trying to save his mama. Weather or not Davis needs to die is yet to be established
Weird thing is, you would think that this movie's Batman, who basically cleaned up Gotham and should be a legendary hero by the 2020s, WOULDN'T have an issue with the police or militsry and they'd be like, "Oh, hey, Batman is here! Let's try to coordinate our attacks and back him up!"
My guess was that, writer thought about it but said "BORING" and jut made it that military and police wants to kill him
Also still incredibly confusing without that context, since I mean. Sure, Batman's technically a criminal, but he's a criminal who isn't currently attacking them *like the fucking Kryptonians are* and yet they decided "fuck targeting the people trying to kill us and have made their intentions to do so very clear, focus fire on that other guy that just got here and don't even bother confirming whether or not he's a hostile target first."
@@saintcynicism2654 And I'm pretty sure he still works with the police on several occasions in his other iterations, it's just that a lot of his actions are beyond the law because his way is the most effective
@@saintcynicism2654 I think the whole fight is just fascinating anyway. So the US military sends in wave after wave against those unstoppable Kryptonian ships and soldiers? I mean the fight must have been going on for at least an hour at this point if not longer.
The Kryptonians just have fun using their powers against people who can't even scratch them, i can get that. But what is the military doing?!? At this point they should have started using their big guns from far away, maybe even drop a tactical nuke (i know, there is a city in the distance (at least i remember that from MoS), but it's not like there isn't a precedent for using nukes in the DCEU).
And then Batman arrives and thinks his rockets could damage the Kryptonian ship ... shows what a great tactician he is. At this point in the fight the military has surely fired at those ships with stronger things than his rockets and it's still flying. Just like the smaller fighters. Thanks, Bats, but you are useless ...
A reminder that this film only happens because Evil Flash has the memories of a version of Flash that doesn't exist yet at that point.
That's how a paradox works
That bit isn’t actually a plot hole since the entire timeline exists at once
@@greanbeen2816 couldn't have said it better
Time travel is a whore
@TinyManu77 Eobard Thawne had planned the whole thing from the start. Let's hope the REAL Barry of the flash and ce friends stops Ezra or else we're doomed for another one or even...a cameo
The Christopher Reeve cameo should have just been Brandon Routh. Superman Returns was in continuity with the first two Reeve movies, meaning Routh was playing the same version of Superman as Reeve. They could have easily just called Brandon Routh, put him on a Superman suit, and have him stand there for like a second, instead of metaphorically diging up Christopher Reeve's grave, and it would probably even look better without the uncanny CGI.
superman returns is its own universe but still a donnerverse variant
Between this flash movie and cw crisis on infinite earths crossover event, you basically got 100% coverage across all the wb dc movie and TV intellectual properties, from reeves, reeve, routh, cage, Smallville, tyler and we even got kingdom come routh. The only character they did dirty was Henry Cavill. Why would you include 2 dead supermen actors and a cage never had been and a franchise killing George Clooney, but you couldn't kitbash the best most current cavill's superman anywhere except his cape and a dead baby name drop? Really? You basically excluded any and every Nolan related dc property, in your love letter to dc.
@@DragonHunter-oq3zi blame nolan himself for not letting anyone revisit his universe in any like multiversal crossovers or whatever
@@NobleRaider2747With how DC has turned out, I don’t blame him. His trilogy is honestly the single greatest DC related media there is.
@@rjm_17 if only wb could have bought Nolan with a truck load of gold and a blank check. I think Nolan could have outdone kevin feige. Too bad he has too much integrity to be a wb corporate shill.
I don't understand why they would try to adapt Flashpoint, but then not use the explanation for the timeline differences from Flashpoint. Like, Thawn says that when you travel through time by going really fast, you create a shattering of the timeline, a 'time boom' in the same way that there's a sonic boom when you break the sound barrier, and that it ripples in both directions and changes things in both directions. This is a universe where somebody can run so good that they go back in time-- this concept is not the craziest idea
It's a weird concept all around because before that Flash could travel in time and no one really bothered asking why he didn't kill Hitler or save Christ or whatever, it was like a minor aplication rarely used because no one was buying Flash comics to see that.
One time Barry was being chased by Death so he ran into the future after all life on Earth was gone and Death couldn't catch him there. Then he went back to finish his sunday with the inlaws. And that's it, no issues or pointless extrapolation.
@@canalsincontenido I think the fact is simple, too many jews and Christianity is no longer here
@@history-jovian ._. and you think those are bad things?
/j, but fr fr read over your comment, you sound messed up XD
@@canalsincontenido because going in the future where no one is there doesn't affect anything. He went to the heat death of the universe because Death couldn't exist where nothing lived. Also in Flashpoint Reverse Flash literally bitched Barry by asking why he didn't keep hitler in artschool or save JFK.
Barry saved his mom because it was something personal and he thought that one life wouldn't affect the timeline all that much. Also that was Wally, not Barry who ran against Death.
@@theauthor6669 I meant that the first time he went to the far future and back it didn't jumpstart stories about time traveling because everyone knew that wasn't the point of the comic. That happened like 20 years before he though about saving his mom.
One thing that bothers me, is that why didn’t Barry go back in time to find out who murdered his mom, discreetly collect evidence to present against them and then go back to present day and, as the flash, use the evidence to lead police to the real murderer? Henry still gets freed but the timeline doesn’t get changed.
There's is a time-travel book I read where the detective goes back in time to collect evidence of a crime and the solve the crime in present day.
@@rosestar1324Can you please tell me the name?
@@Tibli13Following
@@rosestar1324i definitely want to read that book
Wait…done tell me it wasn’t even reverse flash?
The Flash: “I’m gonna be the biggest flop of the summer.”
Indiana Jones 5: “Hold my idol, kid.”
Hold my bud light kid 😂
PIXARS ELEMENTAL COMES IN WITH THE STEEL CHAIR!
And yet all the marketing is like "Indiana Jones is the biggest movie in the world." They're just trying to gaslight people into thinking it's a good movie 😂
At least Indiana Jones has the moral high ground
@@CorruptSharkisney was lying these days on twitter by editing reactions on cinema for fucking elementals lol like anyone would be excited on seeing a character from that movie
I love when Barry said "it's flashing time" and proceeded to flash the girls before Batman had to stop him
Nah that was just Ezra being a social deviant, and the director loved it so much that he got the cameras to record Ezra being Ezra.
Fun Fact:
The microwaving babies part was just Ezra being authentically himself and was not part of the script. They had to create a scene where the clip can be used. That's why you can see Ezra smiling so much in that scene.
No wonder the scene looked so authentic 💀
That was such a weird ass scene
Top 10 times actors weren’t acting
Lmao
Making Barry's speed affect things around him was always a weird decision to me. The comics' explanation was always "The speed force protects him and everyone from it" And any time his clothes caught fire i assumed it's cuz he's still new and doesn't know how to prevent it
I wanna know how he does ngl
Well it's possible it takes a split second for the speedforce shield to take hold. Therefore he needs to be careful when doing it or he goes too fast at the start this ensuing..bad stuff. Dunno just my headcanon
Good video. “A butterfly flaps its wings in the Amazonian jungle, and subsequently a storm ravages half of Europe.” Is an example of chaos theory from the 80’s. Stepping on a butterfly while time traveling isn’t quite as graceful an image but close enough.
If you step on a butterfly, it can't flap it's wings and cause a storm.
Moral of the story, step on all the butterflies
Stepping on a butterfly while time travelling comes from Ray Bradbury's "A Sound of Thunder". Interestingly his use of a butterfly predates the coining of the term "butterfly effect" by about 10 years.
It happened in a Simpsons treehouse of horror
Would have been much better if he called Ezra a he as he should have and not played his pronoun game. Kind of undermines his roaring of HIM, Ezra Miller.
@@petrie911fuckin schooled him God damn
Having his dad face the camera shouldn't actually change anything. It just shows that he bought tomatoes before killing his wife since she didn't actually die till well after he got home.
That's not how the force works.
lmao it makes so much sense
No. He returns home and she's already dead, meaning she was killed while he was at the store.
@@mrmistyeyed_ The flashback scene shows the parents crying together as she bleeds out and Flash running away instead of calling 911.
@@mrmistyeyed_ no he returns home and shes bleeding out on the floor alive
The way the superior animated Flash film explained it was that Barry broke the timeline which caused the timeline to be distorted instead of the change just making an entire universe
He didn't make an entire universe, he messed up the timeline, just like in the animated film
He didn't mess up the timeline, he jumped to a different universe.
@@NobleRaider2747this!!
That still makes no sense, how's he changing EVERYONES lives he had nothing to do with? You got Thomas Wayne as Batman which was way before Barry was even born or a baby, Aquaman is a killer Hitler which had nothing to do with Barry, Diana is a mob boss basically that had a relationship with another person that had nothing to do with Barry
The butterfly effect only works when the person that changes things, is the same person that directly affects everything, so this Flsshpoint mess is stupid....why did the show do this better? He directly changed things cuz it revolves around the Star Labs and the particle accelerator and THAT affected everyone cuz of Barry's interference through Thawn wanting to go home, something that's been at play since season 1...the looming threat to push the story, that's what's missing from this movie and the whole Flashpoint storyline
@ninjanibba4259 exactly and that is eobard Thawne! That's the one piece that has been missing throughout that entire movie
“my name is barry allen, and i am the fastest baby microwaver alive”
My favorite part was when ezra miller said "it's baby microwaving time" and started microwaving babies
Definitely the Ezra Millist moment of film history
Morbius sweep memes will never die, keep up the good work.
The CW show dug themselves out of the burning clothes hole by explaining that as Barry developed his powers, his protective aura of speed force got stronger and therefore cancelled friction burn. Ezra just grooms the clothes off everyone.
....That makes no sense.
@@akashajones6079 Nothing about the flash makes sense. The speedforce is just the magic "get out of jail free" card for the flash to do whatever the writers want. "Oh Barry can move people at superspeed and they won't be harmed because the speedforce said it was okay." "Oh Barry can run at speeds faster than time but it doesn't cause catastrophic damage to the ground he's running on or explode the air around him because the speedforce told us not to worry about it anymore."
You can just ask any question about how the flash works and it be answered by "Because speed force 👍"
Honestly the film could've been already trashed due to Ezra being not only involved but involved while being heavily defended by Hollywood against the actual crimes this unhinged piece of fecal sludge commited.
But i respect people going above and beyond with making this movie an actual garbage - just so we could trash it based on it's own merits.
To be fair, looking into it, most of the people involved either didn't press charges, or the situation is so complicated that you can't just go "Arrest him on the crime of having a creepy relationship with my son and allegedly asking to sleep in the same bed as him."
Like, he was actually charged for burglary, but he wasn't charged for assaulting the woman because she didn't press charges against him.
So, there's a level of "Guys, we can't just charge him for being a creep or running a cult, he has to actually commit a crime and have charges pressed against him for that crime."
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917you do know, that cults are mostly illegal, therfore against the law, right?
I deadass don't know any country that openly allows them. But then again, I'm not American. So idk how it is there.
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917
So like… they’re still a terrible person, but they can’t be charged for their numerous crimes because with the only „concrete“ ones, the people involved didn’t press charges…
On another note, we shouldn’t forget that the director also once said that this movie „will change everyone’s perception of [Ezra Miller]“, which is both absolutely insane and ridiculously funny
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 Leaving everything else aside, he got arrested for assault at least 3 times and once for burglary, there's nothing "complicated" about that, you, me, or anyone else who isn't a privileged piece of sht would never get away with that.
@@KeDe1606 He*
Honestly my main thing (besides the main star being a legitimately terrible person while still being defended by the system) is the costume like… someone in the modelling department went wrong somewhere. Say what you will about justice league, but Barry’s costume looked good.
Yeah it's..too shrink wrapped and also too buff. The Justice League suit made sense and was actually really awesome, and it didnt accentuate the muscles because it didnt need to.
The biggest issue is the helmet is too big compared to the rest of the suit. If the helmet looked the same, you'd be less annoyed
@@HappyLarry. it's also that the line of the shoulders to the neck while in the costume just looks straight up wrong, that bitch is like 45 degrees
@@HappyLarry. it looked alot l;ike Cisco created the suit rather then an actual Designer
I'll stick to the show's suits, I never the movies suits
Say what you will about CW's Flash, but Grant Gustin is probably the best Flash we've gotten in recent years.
No he’s not lmao😂 if u think this video pointing out a few nit picks were bad go watch everyone reviewing the cw lmao. It’s constant hate towards cw Barry character and consistency. Cw Barry fucking died to captain boomerang in season 9😂 beat written flash my ass
Although I agree, still gotta say it, the competition is very fierce with a literal criminal being basically the only other participant
Making some good points
Grants not the problem its the writing....
@@Schwartzbruder1 Absolutely. 90% of the actors are phenomenal. Grant being one of the best among them. Its just a shame that the writing went from 'meh' to 'OH GOD OH FUCK WHAT THE HELL IS THIS' lmfao
I loved when movie called "Flash" has more Batman than Flash, really tells what is selling and what has more "hope" for WB.
Wdym? The movie literally have 3 Flashes but only 2 Batmans 😂 But yea, DC is milking Batman and Superman to death at this point
@@aimanrashidi2426where is the third one unless you are talking about Garrick Cameo
@@history-jovian the older barry, the younger barry and the evil barry
Flashpoint has always been a frustrating storyline because the way they make it work (in the cases I've seen) is just the action of time travel affects all parts of that timeline, so stuff way further back than when they arrived will be different too so to me it doesn't matter if he goes back again to let his mother die because everything's going to change again when he tries to go back to the present day. He would essentially have to constantly travel through time until he lands on a timeline that he likes which is extremely unlikely but movie gotta movie.
In the comics/ animation, he changes the past and then wake up as a regular person, he dit not have to go back to the present, the effects took effet right away, because his mother never died, so he never became the flash, it worked more like regular time travel, he alter the past and became part of it, even when he stoped himself form changing the past, he create a new version of the preset, that started the new 52.
@@SuperKratosgamer Yup. That still has problems but compared to this movie it is cogent and much more simplified. In general, I'd caution writers to avoid time travel and multiverses because unless you know what those are and map out rules and limitations, it can easily break your story. The only exception is like an Isekai style story where you have a character transported to clearly a different world than our own. That works because that premise relatively speaking is a lot easier to conceptualize than multiple timelines or multiverses where it can get really confusing if you aren't clear cut.
@@Avarn388and if you can’t figure out a way to make a good way to make a story including time travel and multiverse, best to do other stories
@@flashergoldpower15yea. The problem fundamentally comes from DC just using this timetravel plot device to reboot the setting. Even after they started New52 they screwed up again so for the following years they ended up using Dr Manhattan to "fix" the continuity creating an even bigger mess
I liked the part when Ezra Miller said "it's flashing time" and flashed everybody in the state of Hawaii
So with the rules of time travel set up in this movie that would mean the flash never saved the world in justice league and just ran to a univeres were the world was saved.
He got the time travel rules wrong in the video. They don't go to a new universe, going back in time changes the things in the future and the past. He got confused because batman held two strands of spaghetti during the explanation.
If things are changed both in the past and the future, wouldn't that be a different universe by default?
@@SkanaNo that's the rules for the original Flashpoint. They changed the rules for this movie then ignored them.
The Justice League series of events haven't happened yet. This takes place during the events of Man of Steel which is like 2 years before Batman v Superman and 3 years before Justice League.
Using a quick shot of Dan (Dave? whichever) from GoT as the narration says "maybe they just forgot" is perfect. Never forget.
I don't understand why its so hard to just write that Barry can transfer the speed force to things that he is touching. His power isn't running super fast, it's accelerating himself by applying a separate force of physics to his body - why couldn't he just do that to his clothes and people he's rescuing? This would also fix the problem of catching people at high speeds = death, because the Speed Force is entirely resetting their momentum rather than just applying an equal and opposite force against it. Is it entirely because the writers want to play wink-wink nudge-nudge with the audience by preempting their stupid gotcha moments? Does that entirely bite their ability to have Barry use his powers creatively in the ass? The world may never know...
"It's called the Speed Force, not the Momentum Force."
@@basedeltazero714 its called the speed force, not the "travel through time by running on a treadmill" force
The speed force literally breaks the rules of reality, there is no downside to it it is literally DC 101 but none can can seen to apply it
Which is funny because the movie does establish that he transfers the powers to others with the vibrating through the door scene. He vibrates his clothes and Barry 2 through the door into the forensics lab which has no detrimental affects to Barry 2 or either of their clothes.
What pissed me off is that, during the fight against Zod, Barry 1 goes "they're stronger but we're faster, we can't beat them but we can distract them" and then like 10 seconds into the fight Barry vibrates his arm through the one kryptonian's chest, killing him instantly.
Interesting how Patty Jenkins says everyone sees their movies as a follow up to the Snyder Cut, James Wan himself saying that as promotion for Aquaman, despite the contradictions
Batman uses the word "retrocausal" in order to evoke the comic's explanation of time travel in which changing an event in the "time stream" literally sends ripples forwards *and* *backwards* through time, like literally throwing a rock into a stream which sends ripples in all directions, not just forwards. Whether thats how time works in this film, I'm unsure as I've not seen it, but in the comics it wasn't necessarily an "alternate universe" situation like in Dragon Ball but more that changing the time stream changes things in both directions
They explained it as a sort of... Fulcrum, a sea saw is a way. Where to timelines intersect each other at that point of time, which retroactively changes both future and past... It was... Different at least
@@mr.miscellaneous9144 Yeah thats definitely different 😂
@@mr.miscellaneous9144 Sheev got confused because batman was holding two different spaghetti strands and assumed they were different universes.
Babe wake up... new Sheev Talks video...
Right? I legit love this guy’s reviews.
@@hispanicyoutubeperson6100 His titles are also super goofy
Babe wakeup ..... bitch who tf are you im single affff
@@hispanicyoutubeperson6100 same
@everyonenumberaccount7452 one of the reasons I love him
Honestly, that's my biggest problem in any DC media that has Batman fight a kryptonian of any kind. Yeah, Batman is a human at the absolute peak, but Superman survives nukes to the face. Batman really should just be breaking his own fist like Deadpool punching Colossus.
From my understanding the kryptonians from Zod's forces hadn't adjusted to the atmosphere and their suits protected them from the sun, which is where they get their powers from. So they aren't at Superman's level yet because they still had their suits on. I remember that scene in Man of Steel where Zod loses his helmet and has to take time to adjust to earth.
I appreciate the hours of actual suffering and effort you and madvocate put into your videos. Keep it up!
Legit surprised they haven’t collabed considering they’re basically the only ones doing a bit more flash stuff than others
@thataintfalco7106 they did a live stream together with a few others for the premiere of Madvocates Season 4 video
“Not every hero wears a mask” - Barry Allen
P.S Great work as always Sheev 🙏
My favorite part of The Flash movie about The Flash is how it has no other Flash characters and doesn’t have a Flash villain
The evil speedster is definitely a flash villain, there's tons of evil speedsters and evil versions of the flash.
@@thedarklordx think they mean an already famous or existing flash villain from his rogues gallery. They just made up their own original character for the movie instead of taking from the Flash’s lore.
I swear there needs to be a whole lecture/ memo sent to writers about superpowers and being consistent with limitations. Brandon Sanderson is one of my favorite fantasy writers and the creator of the term "Hard magic": magic with rules. And he gave three rules, and one of them is Limitations > Capabilities. We like it when characters have clear cut limitations because it gives them an obstacle to overcome; instead of ramming through ships, like Captain Marvel or Superman(Seriously, don't ever put that in your story; it reduces tension so much) and reducing stakes/ tension. In the case of the Flash movie, they had an opportunity with caloric intake at the beginning. You could have worked with that. Maybe, Barry's calories are consumed when he taps into the Speed Force? Maybe time traveling or moving very fast in that hyper time speed, consumes them and thus he needs to consume a lot of food. Thus, he's spending most of his money on food or needs specialized caloric bars(which can cost resources) to eat. You create a limitation where Barry may run out of those bars and in turn without the calories, he lacks the stamina to handle the speed force, and thus needs to use his inate skills to save the day. But no; spectacle over substance. How disappointing.
You can have your hero ram through spaceships if you want, you just need to establish a threat that they *can't* ram through. Or in other words, the limitations can be very high as long as they're explained and actually relevant to the plot.
@@basedeltazero714A very valid point. To use the CM example, the film could have established that ships with specialized metal or barriers can resist her strength. The movie makers would need to account for this each time to avoid asking the question of why not exercising said option( I shudder at the bombers and lack of Y wings in TLJ) but it’s as you said, it’s feasible. Combine that with some sort of energy stock or time limit and you got clear cut limitations.
Honestly, while Sanderson's hard fantasy thing is fine as far as it goes, there are tons of movies and works of art which don't follow this and do just fine. It is important to have limitations, but you don't need some kind of resource bar to make this happen.
when Barry's low on calories at the start of the movie i thought to myself, "bet they'll never bring that up again", and i was right lol
@@tehy123 I would agree t if we're talking soft-magic. For example, Tolkien was smart to have a lot of Gandalf's wizard abilities suited for him taking down enemies that none of the Fellowship realistically could handle, like a Balrog, instead of say teleporting the Fellowship as close to Mordor as possible. It's more so how you utilize the magic within your story that matters. For example, Cinderella is actually a good example because the Fairy Godmother gives Cinderella the dress, carriage and everything but there's a limit for how long the spell happens. We don't know how the spell works, but we have a ticking time clock that allows for tension to creep up between Cinderella and the Prince.
Tbh after Ezra’s Tour of Terror across the US, I don’t think the movie would’ve ever had a chance to be well received because their actions cast a huge shadow over the production itself given that they’re the star, so seeing them makes you think of all the various crimes instead of the movie itself
>their
Opinion discarded 🚮
@@tadpolegaming4510 >cringe videos
>unoriginal breaking bad meme icon
>mad about pronouns
ok loser, i bet you kiss your dad on the lips
I really wish that in this movie they would just say that michael Keaton is Thomas Wayne Batman, but I guess that wouldn’t bring in the big bucks.
Bro I laughed so hard when you described how every person in the baby scene we definitely dead
“Damn this baby gonna taste good.” *microwaving noises*
“MY BABY! NOOOOOO!” 😭😭
I'm one of those rare people who actually watched The Flash tv series in its entirety.
I love CW shows though and they knew how to insert just enough drama with their superhero stuff to satisfy me.
A great episode line up is season 3 episode 1+2.
In episode 1 of season 3, Barry has saved his mother, and the timeline has changed drastically, multiple speedsters and Wally West is on the scene as Kid Flash in this timeline. Barry begins losing memories from the previous timeline as events that didn't happen are slowly getting replaced and destroyed entirely.
Near the end of episode 1, we find out that it's Flashpoint.
Episode 2 he tries to reset the timeline, let his mother die, and try to see if everything fixes itself, but it doesn't.
During season 2 iris and her father had a lot of srama over Wally and Iris's mother and resolved it quickly .
In S3E2, we find out they are still fighting over iris's father keeping her mother a secret, and Cisco's brother died in this timeline.
Cisco becomes the stupidest character for like 9 episodes until he drops it, all because he wants Barry to create another flashpoint for Cisco's brother.
The show did time travel the best they could, alternate timelines, extra dimensions, etc etc.
The movie on the other hand was horrible. I tried watching it and the first 5 minutes are pure cringe.
When he's doing that weird modeling stance as the flash, and then all those teenage girls start screaming at him, the movie died right there and then for me.
I just wish that the flashpoint storyline could’ve been a bit longer
"Just enough" drama?? More like "way too much drama for each season is shoved into every episode".
I *want* to like the CW shit, but man... big picture there's some good stuff in most of them, but they just can't resist making every scene, every bit of dialogue, as melodramatic as possible. The writers don't understand the meaning of the word "subtle". To the detriment of the shows.
I continue to think that 22 episodes hurts too; too many episodes. If they cut it to, say, 14, that would help. Maybe cut the season in half and try to essentially make 2 seasons within each season, giving each 11 episodes? Stop relying on the same formula to beat enemies, allow characters and relationships to grow and mature... and if you have any episodes left over (like, you only need 9 and 11 for each "season", so you have 2 left over), instead of filler episodes to bloat the storyline, just shift it to the end and have fun with a "What if...?" storyline that isn't in continuity, just a fun standalone story.
(DC, not Marvel, so I guess "Elseworlds", not "What if...?"?)
Don't fotget that the CW shows were making it on low budget, and it's 100 times better than what the dceu ever made
I remember the animated version of this had the Flash alter events from BEFORE him showing up, too. It was explained with a "time boom," like a sonic boom after you break the sound barrier.
One small objection : in the comics, Batman *IS* an expert in quantum physics, and in basically everything else. Comics' Batman has more knowledge than Marvel's Doctor Strange could ever dream of having because they just had to make him that ludicrously smart to explain the fact that he was able to keep up and outsmart an actually effective Barry using his hyperspeed to think faster, and supervillans whose cunning was their main supernatural ability. He even predicted a time traveler's appearance, and outwits a guy who is literally called BRAINiac.
But yeah no this movie is stupid, go ahead, there's no way it's even consistent with the comics remotely.
One, this isn't the comics, you need to explain how or why a character has knowledge they shouldn't
Two, it doesn't make sense he'd be an expert at something he had no experience with, Flash is the one that time travels and is a scientist, so only he should have that knowledge, even Superman as smart as he is should have limited knowledge of Quantum physics......Batman just gets all the plot armor and people love to excuse it for bs reasons
7:00 I always assumed the clothing burning thing was something you could prevent by getting good. Like, once a speedster gets sufficiently skilled at using the speed force, they can protect their clothes too. Personally, I'd extend this to being a pre-req for moving people. That way you could still have steaks, but also a possible solution to problems.
mm steak
7:24 Editing to include the GOT interview clip on "Forgot" to clue a select few on a classic media criticism inside joke really shows how much love went into this video. Amazing job. 💙
The ending of that movie always makes me go WTF since the rules were not the standard time travel rules. Going through so much staff to get this movie made really showed in the presentation.
YOU TOO!? DUUUUUUDE!
I TOO was assaulted by the Flash movie, and I TOO went on a crime spree across the continental United States as a result of being metaphorically, mentally, and physically gr@p3d in the movie theater!
"Retrocausality" Is a "Real" quantum-mechanics term, but they really should've.... y'know.... defined it for people who aren't freaks like me? It just means that things in those timeline's futures impact the past.
Quantum mechanics says bullshit sometimes
My condolences for enduring all that agony.
So glad you made this video. This is the best explanation of the stupid plot. I didn't want to watch the movie to find out myself but this is a really good way to understand the movie without watching it.
Its a pretty good summary but he totally misinterpreted the rules of time travel in the movie. There was no universe hopping.
You're the master of funny ass titles, you know that? 😂
I always hated how the dceu chooses to portray his superspeed, like everything around him is moving in slow motion, which should signify him moving faster than anything around him, but like he too is moving in (if slightly less) slow motion and then randomly teleports around, to get wherever he needs to, whenever he needs to, the x men movies used a similar technique for quicksilver, but they made every action well quicker and more fluid, whereas here every single motion is dragged out to an excruciating degree, it makes the scenes that are supposed to depict super speed, the slowest in the film
I really, really hope James Gunn can save the DC movie curse with the reboot. I've been so burnt out on Superhero movies, both Marvel and DC because of how bad they are and it makes me sad since I've been a comic book fan since before I could even read.
I don't want to hate these movies, I try to find things I like in everything I watch but Jesus, they really make it hard to now. They're becoming so soulless and corporate, the only things keeping me from giving up are the few gems that pop up like The Suicide Squad, The Batman, ZSJL, No Way Home (which still suffered but not as much), and my optimism.
If Superman Legacy turns out to be bad or one of the few good films that comes out of the reboot, I give up man. I'll just stick to reading
Just watched this, and Keaton ruled this movie. He was so badass in this film and all his scenes were just Epic. this wasnt a Flash movie. This was Michael Keatons return as Batman
when ezra miller microwaved those babies, i cried, truly one of the scenes of all time
400k in 7 mins congrats bro keep the good work up
You have quickly become my favorite TH-camr (don't ask why but I have watched your stream about the Menu like 5 times)
In the CW show it is explained that he has a layer of the speed force around him when he runs fast. I don't remember when it was, I think it was season 2 but Comic Books vs The World made a video about it years ago
Comics explain that 2. Same as superman and his telekinesis barrier. Have to explain why people don't explode
@@MM-hf6omyeah, but comics are a different continuity from the Arrowverse
Future generations (provided they actually WATCH The Flash) are going to need a spreadsheet for all the behind-the-scenes f**kery that led to this confused mess
Honestly as a massive fan of Barry Allen's Flash I just have so little interest in this film and probably won't ever see it. From Ezra Miller just... being Ezra Miller, to the shoving in of a Flashpoint style story and all the nostalgia bate of things I don't care about, I just had no interest. The Flash TV show early on began to build out Barry Allen's world, but by the time we got to season 2 things like his regular rogues gallery were being put into other shows or just vanished, and in general I feel like the baseline of Barry Allen's universe or at least what I associated with it from the comics was pretty quickly disappearing from the show.
I wish we got a Flash film about Barry Allen's day-to-day life more in-line with the comics, so no team Flash, no Iris as his step-sister, no time travel, just him traversing Central City and balancing his civilian life whilst the Rogues are on the loose. I'm so tired of stories focused around the speed force or his mother, I think its relied on too much for Barry's character and the Rogues are such a fun concept that I feel the show dropped the ball on. It could be a much smaller intimate story whilst also having really inventive and fun action scenes, from Barry's powers to also the Rogues, I mean Mirror Master could be such a cinematic villain.
“My name is Ezra Miller, and I am the fastest baby-eater alive.”
25:38 They also revived in the movie a dead actor from around the 90s who after being casted for Superman, couldn't find any other job and career and took his life for it.
And they revived him to be another alternative of Superman. Pretty fricked up.
George Clooney does look like a good Bruce Wayne
I agree
He played batman before and everyone hated that movie
I'm just amazed how much pop culture has ingrained just one type of time travel into people's minds...... Endgame didn't create its own time travel, it just used one of the real theories regarding time travel that isn't in line with the vanilla "same timeline" theory which leads to a grandfather paradox
I know this is basically the premise of Flashpoint in all it's incarnations but I hate the idea that changing Barry's mom's murder affects stuff unrelated to it like where Kal's rocket lands. It feels like they're just writing random bullshit and saying "ahh but it's time travel so anything goes"
It makes even less sense when you think about the fact that if we assume Barry and Clark are the same age (I kinda assume Superman is on the older side of the league), his crash happens when he is an infant (or while he is gestating depending on continuity) while Barry’s mom dies when he’s like 10 or something. So saving his mom affects things that happened A DECADE EARLIER somehow. The Batman stuff makes even less sense, like why would Joe Chill shoot the kid in any scenario; he shoots Thomas cuz he thinks he’s a threat, Martha to cover his tracks, but can’t bring himself to kill a kid. In what alternate timeline does he only kill the kid? For what reason? I could go on but you get the point.
@@jackhiggins3936 it could work as an elseworld story or a reality warp, the stuff in it is interesting (the Atlantean-Amazon war, Thomas Wayne as Batman, Superman locked away) but they connected it to time travel in a way that makes no sense
A few fundimentals about this movie that set it up to fail is that Barry's mom isnt guarenteed to live just because he stopped his dad from going to the store. If it was reverse flash who killed her than likely this would either change nothing or both his parents would be dead. If it was just a random person it still isnt guarenteed that his dad can somehow stop this person. Also this film alters the flashes powetset and personality to the point where he's not even the same character anymore. The flash in this universe is demonstrated to have nearly super strength moving cars and objects far too big for what he would normally handle, and his speed is so destructive and reality altering it can't be used for any of the same purposes it is in the comics and cartoons. He can't even save people with it. It has been reduced to basically a time travel power, something the flash does very rarely in other media because 1 it is difficult and it takes him a long time to become that fast and 2 its dangerous. In this film the time travel is so much more prevelant than the speed to the point where when bruce dies in combat his method of saving him is to repeat the battle despite already knowing that time travel to change events is catastrophic, Rather than run at light speed to take him to a hospital or something like the flash probably would in any other media where he hadn't been so agregiously misunderstood.
ALLLLSOOO linear time travel is what makes flashpoint matter, it means his history is different and its actually HIS life, no 2 barrys. In this movie if he just travels universes than he could just travel back to his and there's acrually no issue.
Anyway my gamer rant is over now but i want to see a flash movie where he is more inline with the classic character and uses hisbpowers creatively to overcome his limitations instead of just giving him random invulnerability and strength and effortless time travel.
Faith is what is asked of you when your best interest is not at heart.
This movie is essentially just like a giant shart escaping the mangled corpse that is the DCEU.
Yeah, you heard me, The Flash is the DCEU shitting itself as it dies. Man I hope James Gunn manages to make something good of all this...
"i pirated it of course"
Good boy, here, have a cookie.
When you're hearing cheering whenever the main character gets maimed, you know how rough it's gonna be
It's funny how the film studio thought anyone would give a crap about the flash. Especially after Ezra's escapades
Something that really bothers me is that the movie really tries to eat its cake and have it too when it comes to time travel. It says that Barry time traveled back in time in his own universe so he could bring his mom back but then says that the time that he went to with younger Barry actually has a different past than his own universe which means that he in his own universe his mom still dies. It's basically trying to convince the audience that Barry time traveled when in reality he just hopped timelines but it also implies that by him going back in time to let his mom die the other timeline never occurs so this implies that Barry never actually time travels but rather can bring the multiverse in and out of existence at the snap of a finger and that's super messed up and confuses me so bad since none of it makes sense.
(Yes, I have posted this in other comment sections. I just thought that it really pertained to what's mentioned in this particular video.)
Its kinda funny how they copied several plot points from the Flashpoint animated movie and did it all worse.
i can’t believe the flash movie that got canceled before this was a wally west flash movie made by the same directors as the SPIDERVERSE movies and had ryan reynolds play wally.
I think the teason why Barry's clothes didn't burn when he saved iris was because he barely ran in that scene
This. The Flash has problems, but there are answers, even if as context clues. And this is from someone who HATES the movie, mind you.
The reason the babies, dog, and nurse are unaffected is because the Speed Force projects outwards. Normal humans can be affected, but they do suffer side effects... The vomiting, for instance. You can't just whip them around, but you *can* dampen the effect of hyper speed.
But "movie bad lmao" is more funny and gets more clicks, I guess.
@@J.HawkerFair point, but is that explained in the move or previous movies, or are you getting this from other sources that have nothing to do with the actual movies version of the speed force?
@@sadchild9478 Context clues within the movie itself, combined with previous movie circumstances that Barry is put through. There's no excuse for it to not have been better-defined or even explained, and I say that having the personal belief that not all things need a direct explanation within a movie.
If you notice, when Barry manipulates objects to be on his "timescale", there's a shift in the color of his 'lightning'. They get zapped by blue, rather than his suit's orange/gold. The same blue that normally protects him, if not his clothing, when he's out of the suit. When they do, it seems that they get a small amount of protection from the superspeed he exerts on them.
Or, maybe the movie is just inconsistent for a gag about microwaving a baby, I'unnolol.
Man I love the titles of your videos.
damn i really like that idea of time travel that you described with help of the graph, it is unique and destroys most of the issues i have with time travel tropes (mainly that it is boring and dumb and the consequences are always boring, dumb, and nonsensical)
He created a cool idea but he totally misinterpreted batman's explanation.
@@Skana what's batman's explanation?
i haven't seen the movie, just reviews of it, also i don't remember if it was in the vid or not
@@rainbowsnek Batman said changing something in time creates a new future and a new past. Sheev thought they were traveling to a new universe with a different past when they're really just overwriting the same one.
@@Skana oh that's kinda boring, that's basically the exact same as what every time-travel shenanigans in media are like
@@rainbowsnek Well universe hopping to a near identical reality is becoming a more popular method of time travel like in Rick and Morty but some people complain that it kind of ruins the stakes when there are an infinite number of universes you can hop to. The idea that when you change something in a timeline, your universe becomes unstable and is forced to change other random other things in a time ricochet until it stabilizes again was pretty new to me.
Bro is really so traumatized by The Flash show that he literally said that he enjoyed this film and still kept looking for mistakes ;-;
Is there an explanation on why Barry's lightning is yellow now, instead of blue?
You can't make 2 universes off of a distinctly similar *DIRECTORS* Cut with minor additions
its insane
Them doing "flashpoint" AGAIN, is a lot like Marvel doing the "Dark Phoenix Saga" in the X-Men OVER AND OVER... Even though Flash and the X-Men have HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of other stories... They just keep harping on one or two of them. Why? Your guess is as good as any. But the LIKELY reason.. Is that company execs don't read comics and ONLY know what's already been tried.
They 100% made all the cgi bad in the speed force to cover up the bad CGI cameos.
All so the director could say “oh nah it was all supposed to look bad, it was a style choice I swear”
Best explanation of the multiverse/ time travel by a You Tube creater in a thorough and aeasily understandable way! 10/10
He totally misinterpreted the movie's time travel rules. Barry wasn't hopping dimensions.
12:06 i think the point here was that barry knew the tomato can would change things obviously, so he knew that he would cause some kind of damage regardless so he wanted to cause the least amount of damage to the timeline as possible. Any other change might cause more damage than hes willing to let slide.
Re: about moving people. Is it too fucking much to ask that the writers simply say: "When Flash moves people, the Speed Force extends to them so they can move super fast, and it applies to his clothes too. Kinda how Superman's super strength is kind of a pychich field so he can move huge masses without it breaking"
Ya gotta love how neither the writers of the show nor any of the movies actually know how the Speedforce works. But they also don't seem to know anything about Barry Allen either.
is there a lore reason why man tried to leave super behind? is he stupid??
8:12 this has led to the best edit I’ve ever seen where it looks like he puts the baby in the mircowave when he’s on the ground and it’s fucking brilliant
10:17 that’s not the butterfly affect at all. The butterfly affect refers to the wings of a butterfly. The pattern on each wing match each other. The idea is that changing the pattern on one wing has to change the pattern on the other wing. Doesn’t matter how small the pattern is, how similar it is to the other pattern. By changing it the second wing must change with it. One wing represents the future and the other the past.
"The term is closely associated with the work of mathematician and meteorologist Edward Norton Lorenz. He noted that the butterfly effect is derived from the metaphorical example of the details of a tornado (the exact time of formation, the exact path taken) being influenced by minor perturbations such as a distant butterfly flapping its wings several weeks earlier."
"The butterfly effect concept has since been used outside the context of weather science as a broad term for any situation where a small change is supposed to be the cause of larger consequences."
I think you might be thinking of the way it's explained in Until Dawn, where they use the "veins" in the butterfly's wings to represent timelines.
I assumed that barry from the show's clothes stopped burning up because of getting a better handle of the speed force and aura, though admittedly that's just head cannon.
The flash and my unrelenting pain for the fumble of DC
What a sick joke
These video titles keep getting more and more unhinged as time goes on.
Okay as far as I know they did not use any deepfake or ai stuff for the cameos of the old crossovers.
In an article they said they were searching for scenes on youtube and cleaned them up before using them in the film.
Idk but that just feels even worse to me
Edit: I looked it up again the scenes were cgi it seems like but they were actually using audio clips from youtube videos. The audio team confirmed that they searched old youtube videos and stuff to try and get the audio from them.
Couldn't they have just gotten a Blu-ray or something if they didn't have the footage?
Like, every TH-cam has image compression on it to some degree, so you'd think that going to TH-cam would be a last resort. It's why TH-camrs normally buy the DVDs or Blu-rays for their deep dives.
Subbed. These video titles are just too good not to. The videos are equally as fun and entertaining.