Folks I'm okay with constructive criticism ... HOWEVER if you feel the need to be RUDE and or downright obnoxious then your comment will be REMOVED, and you may be banned from the channel. Please think BEFORE you decide to comment. Enough is enough!
Former firefighter and safety officer. I utilized the deck gun every situation that allowed for a deck gun attack. Knocks the fire down quick if not completely and less hose to screw with.
Deck gun was wanted by command but was out of service ... That radio traffic didn't male the video. It was why I started running after starting the video as I figured quick knockdown ...
apologies to the people and visitors of this town....but hey good knock! .....lady in the gray Nomex hoodie nice job....guy in the thermoplastic fiberglass ball cap with MT1000 radio in rear pocket.....thank you for your service !
Serbian firefighter here, 14 years. No deck gun i our tactic regarding structure fire. For me, it is very wrong. Our engines carry 1088, or 1344, or 806gallons of water and hidrant line is not good, exept in major towns. Ok, water consumptions on deck gun is very high, minimum 200gallons per minute, but with deck gun, we could crush every raging blaze (one that is visible and accessible), with let's say two minues of using deck gun, and during that time, normal line and all other stuff is going on at scene... But no. Strictly prohibited to use deck gun on structure fire's.
@@AirlinersHD I agree ... The deck gun would've been perfect to knock this fire down in around a minute. However while command wanted it, and asked for it, it was out of service on this engine. So they went with what they had. Does it look pretty? No! Most importantly did it get the job done? Yes absolutely! We can talk tactics, and what they should've done ALL day long, but the outcome was the fire went out, and no one was injured, and everyone went home to their families.
Organized, rapid response and an extra shout out to our woman on site! Training, training, training.....and a HUGE dose of passion for your community. I grew up in a rural volunteer FF home and know how many hours are behind every turnout. Naysayers, nitpickers stop and think before you lash out: under 3 mins. I saw steam and that stopped what could have been the whole block. Thank you to all!
I'm glad that in Holland and other European countries engines carry 2,500 to 4,000 Litres of water and 2 pre-attached lines. Gets the wet stuff on the red stuff within a minute while the rest of the crue set up the external water suply from hydrants or a tanker.
Same here in Australia, depending on the appliance we have between 2000-4000 liters of water for initial attack whilst the pumpie and any spare crew start to get water setup from a stand pipe, hydrant etc. If we don't have water onto a job with 60 seconds of the truck stopping we're having an extremely bad day.
If there had been a person entrapped in there they would have been beyond rescue from the beginning as the fire was of this magnitude already prior to the FD arrival. As for training I agree. There are more ways to continue to learn from the mistakes we make on the fireground.
Not sure which apparatus was first but truck or engine do have water tanks on them, any where from 500 to 1000 gallons. Should have used tank water while waiting to be hooked up to a hydrant. No need to wait for a water source. Especially in a city setting.
@@chrishuston1451 These Appalachian cities of PA have ALL VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPT. Some new younger recruits will go on calls. Actually, in PA even Volunteer Fire people need training as the Paid Union ones. Just again, these are all VOLUNTEERS. Many have to go to the firehouse and SUITE-UP. There is no 24-hour manned for instant call in these multiple fire-houses and basically take turns for calls and extra-alarms brings in more and other communities ALL IN THE COUNTY BEING VOLUNTEER. All of them in a small city that is in a depressed former Coal Anthracite Coal Region of Appalachia Pennsylvania. These are poorer cities long past their glory days as we shipped there once prosperous mill jobs overseas or the the sunbelt OVER THEIR BEING UNION TOWNS and that SCOURGE NEVER DIED for Corporate America. Cheap housing here though in old row-home cities dotting Appalachia in PA and this being a former Hard Coal that once fueled home heat and Steel Mills that built our cities in the Northeast.
I’ve said many times that the deck gun is the most underrated and under utilized weapon by many fire departments. You may empty your first due engine tank very quickly (2 minutes +-) but will give you precious time to effect possible rescue and keep the fire at bay until 2nd due can set up hose lines and a good water supply.🇺🇸🚒🐄
@@FDNY8231 it's all good. I'm a firefighter going on 25 + years I have been to fires being the first due engine on 1 room burn out and it turns into cluster fk but when we are first due with multiple calls for fire and turn the block with 2 vacant building fully involved already in the exposures you would think it will be more of cluster fk but it's just the opposite the operation runs so smoothly. One video does not say anything about the fire department if I'm not there it's not for me to say anything I don't see what the IC sees I don't see what the firefighters sees..
@@FDNY8231 It's obvious that pulling pre connects immediately and flowing water is the correct choice while the rest of the manpower gets the supply handled. Seems pretty basic.
@@FDNY8231 - Getting water onto any blaze within seconds of arrival is advantageous, at least they’ve actually started to fight it. I see too many of these videos where the FD takes many minutes before water is flowing.
As a former paid firefighter and volunteer, i appreciate the hardwork. My only issues in this video is the amount of ppl trying to hook up the hose to the base pumper. I'm not sure if they had tank water or not, or a deck gun because that deck gun would've definitely put a good knock on the fire. Once they got water they did knock it down from the outside first before advancing inside. My only other issue is the amount of volunteers showing up without gear, because now commands is limited with manpower so either leave gear in pov or make the trucks before it leaves
Engine had tank water ... Don't know if they used any of it ... Deck gun was wanted by command prior to arrival, but was OOS on this engine, and they were the first arriving engine.
Don't American appliances carry water on them as there seems to be no end of videos with US fire agencies having no sense of urgency getting the wet stuff onto the hot stuff. Water out then water in. Pretty basic really. Our trucks have between 2000 and 400 liters of water on board, god for enough time to get water out before getting a standpipe or similar connected.
@@SteveWilliams-zp1vg Good point and definitely a consideration , but it looked like they were mostly stood well back and not in smoke . Some had sets on their backs and ready to do though if things developed or it was knocked back enough to go inside .
The first thing all these negative commenters should be doing is saying thank you to the firefighters instead for their service and their hard work that they do and if they want to show how they can do it better feel free to upload a video showing them how to do it better and tell them keep their mouth shut!
@@mmal7982 Welcome ... I'd love to come out there sometime and catch some of the fire action. One of my buddies did, and he said it was incredible. I have only been to Michigan one time.
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Wow! I dont know where to start, But Truck work needs to be reevaluated, everyone looked lost. The building and their fire tactics needs a complete overhaul...
Following through with the initial action we see… One member stretching the portable monitor. One breaking the first coupling and making the connection to a discharge. And one pump operator at the panel and ready…. 30 seconds and water would be on the fire from the booster tank.
@@ritirons2726 @thenussbaum44 That would've been nice had it gone that way. It didn't! They stretched that line but it got broke down and never reconnected. at 00:46 you can see the disconnected line laying in the street. The other half got connected to the pump panel and was charged but quickly shut down because it was just spewing water (not seen). The blue 2 1/2" preconnect was the first line stretched that actual put the first water on the fire.
Is this open to criticism? Way too many walking around with no packs on. That guy in the beginning could have helped out a little to get the lines stretched instead of watching the other guys work. Would have ran a lot smoother and quicker in the beginning.
Everything is always open to criticism if we want to Monday morning quarterback. Considering the conditions they met on arrival I think they did an excellent job. The first 15 minutes of ANY working fire are always the most hectic, and there are always reasons to train, and do things better. Thanks for the comments.
Deck gun was out of service ... IMO less than 7 minutes for a knockdown is not bad. Fire was held to building of origin. If their deck gun had been in service there would have been very little fire for me to video as it would've been knocked so in that your are correct.
Arguably, this is a big cluster fuck. Command yelling through the radio pump operators, not knowing what they’re doing too many Chiefs and not enough firefighters and absolutely no hustle whatsoever Not sure if they are paid or volunteer, but that entire department needs to be retrained.
While I can't disagree with the too many chiefs comment because in 40 years it always seems to be the case with volunteer departments. We could find fault with ANY dept at ANY fire posted here even paid departments. Having said that let's review a bit shall we. Within TWO minutes of engine (me) arrival water began being placed on the fire with a proper sized line. Knockdown was quick, but overhaul took much longer. I would say the goals were met in that no one was injured, and everyone went home to their families. NO ONE or department is perfect, and as for training? ALL of us should train, and continue to train to keep our skills as sharp as possible. I'd say they did a great job with what they faced. Fire stayed in original fire building and exposures were not damaged. We can critique later the do's, don'ts, didn'ts and shouldn'ts. Have a nice day and thanks for watching.
I disagree. An 1-1/2 line was not the proper line with that much fire , especially the lower floor. Criticism should not be negative but constructive. Again, in the future, please consider using your tank water with a master stream instead of waiting for hydrant. Furthermore, I saw no attempt at vertical ventilation or more importantly any organized search of upper floors. The National Fire Academy has an enormous amount of information and training available for those serious enough to seek out. I’m not offering advice to embarrass you or anyone else at that Fire. In fact, I applaud everyone of you for caring enough about your community to serve as firefighters. Ben Franklin ( very first Fire Chief ) is quoted as “ Experience keeps a dear school but fools will learn in no other “. Don’t be fools! Learn from this Fire , seek out advice and be safe . God Bless
@@billmoran935 The line they used for initial fire attack was not an 1 1/2" ... It was a 2 1/2" with a smooth bore. I think they had every intention of using the Blitzforce they originally stretched but why that never got first use beats me. Things like this just says to me you can never train enough. Even with close to 50 years in the fire service I still train as hard as I can, because the fires aren't stopping, and there seems to be no relief in sight. Thanks for the comments.
You obviously didn't WATCH the video too closely. The BLUE line (2 1/2") that came off the REAR right side in the first 1 minute IS a preconnected line. It was the first line in operation and to put water on the fire. :o) In the video you see them take the whole line off and the officer gets up and looks and see's it preconnected and carries on.
@@Chris-sac I don't have the answer to that question. You have to ask the pump operator. You seen what I shot, and it leans neither left or right and is unbiased.
Yes, there are plenty of pre connect hose out in the world but without execution they are of no use. This video is like so many others. SLOW water to the fire makes bigger fire.
I need to ask a genuine question since I am not familiar with the goings-on in Shamokin these days, but does Friendship's engine not still have a 1,000 gallon booster tank to put a handline into service until they are able to get hydrant connection, or are things that bad across the bureau right now maintenance-wise? On this note I am assuming they don't train on the pump often with how rusty the first 50 gallons was. This whole thing just looked really bad for them.
Why wouldn’t the first due engine dump their monitor immediately on arrival? Smoke out botyh the second and third floor windows is a pretty good indicator they’ll need the arial. Why the hesitation?
Since the investigation into the fire is ongoing the building is just secured and boarded up with plywood, etc so no access is allowed till they determine what will be done with it. They could demolish the building without too much problems I believe, but I'm hoping they'll save it and restore it. Thanks for the comments.
Why did they not use a deck gun or their biggest line to get water on the fire immediately? Did they just forget that those things exist? Sure fire hydrants are great, but as long as you have an ounce of water in your car it would seem wise to put it on the fire first. They don't have anybody doing an interior attack that could have a problem if their water runs out without any supply from a hydrant. So why not use the water you have right away?
The Deck Gun on the car was OUT OF Service, and not even on the car. There is 500 gals of water in the tank on the car that they could've used. I can not answer why they did or did not do what they did. I can only say that there are always more opportunities to train, train, train. Thanks for the comments.
I will never understand why when you have charged hose lines they are shut down while everyone around wants to discuss what is going on? When you get an established water supply get the lines pulled charged and start making a defensive push so ladder companies can start opening and doing searches!!!
That structure appears to be an old fire station? That’s too bad. We have friends of ours who own one as their primary residence. Their’s still has the fireman pole to slide down from second floor to first floor.
This is why we need high pressure booster lines, fast water on the fire whilst a supply is being set up. But we’d rather continue to fight fire in exactly the same way we did in the 1930’s. That being said these guys did a good job knocking it down pretty darn quickly.
a high pressure booster line would not have done anything to a fire of this magnitude. You need 2 1/2 & 3" lines in service or a deck gun master stream to get the BULK of the fire knocked down. There is a reason why departments don't put "booster" reels on rigs anymore......they are ineffective unless you have a small fire ie: that's usually why they are called trash lines.
@@michaeldomanski9352 Correct! The average booster nozzle is only capable of flowing 30 GPM, and for a fire of this size you need WAY more than that. 2 1/2" smooth bore which they used gives 250-500 GPM ...
i would think you would want a search of the upper floors for life and extension. Two engines nose to nose, why not make a knock with the deck guns while you establish water supply
This is how people get killed. There are a lot of people mad about criticism given but I had 13 years on the job and this video shows the lack of training from even standard NFPA. Notice no one pulled off there pre connect 1 3/4. The were so focused on getting a ground monitor in service. Use the quickest line to get water on the fire. Next due personnel can get everything else. USE the DECK GUN. Then I seen so many people standing around. Also you can tell they didn't flush the hydrant. It's not just criticism some of us have done this for a long time and come from departments that are big on training. No fire department is perfect but we always Monday morning QB fire like these because it shows the importance of training
Deck Gun was out of service, command called for it (prior to me starting the video) on the engines arrival. I can't disagree on the training. VERY important to train and learn from our mistakes. If the pump operator had been more attentive the monitor (because no deck gun) would've been hooked up and charged promptly. Yep more training, never enough.
Good job it is always crazy at first and it always sees like guys aren't doing a lot but that is normal it takes a lot to get things up and going firefighting isn't a race so it is nice to go slow and not get hurt especially if they is not one in the building your life worth more trust you me been doing it for 34 years and still on the front line
..like give this fire crew a break...how many actual fires have they had to respond to...2nd of all as volunteers they coming from all a round ..3rd of all their not sleeping with their firetrucks unlike full time members and for my final comment they did a great job 👏 👍 👌
With such a huge opening at the front it seems strange the fire was not quickly dealt with using deck canon. The risk of a cylinder inside exploding increases the longer the fire continues. Yes I realise that in USA they want a hydrant installed first to ensure full water but a first hit using tank supply I thought would have been a consideration especially considering no one was committed inside.
The deck cannon or "Deck Gun" as we refer to it was out of service on this rig. Due to the size of the building "I" think they really wanted the positive water source. All total fire knockdown in 5 minutes for a volunteer dept is not bad at all. Could it have been quicker? Certainly, but I'm not gonna judge or speculate. They held the fire to the building of origin, and no injuries or deaths occurred so over all a good job I'd say.
These guys seem awfully unorganized. Why she was putting her breathing apparatus on, outside of the truck is beyond me. They mount in the seat they ride in! And why are there people walking around in civilian clothes helping? There are plenty of turnouts around!
There are some departments that use a clean cab initiative where no scba is stored in the cab. This department isn't one of them, but there are some reasons why that might occur.
I have been doing this going on 33 years, I put my bottle on outside of the truck, allows me to get my own perspective on the fireground and to "slow" down my crew. I use the time to get them over the initial adrenalin rush, especially since we dont see many fires.
With the limited manpower at first, Stretch and operate one line at a time to actually get water flowing. Get in closer with that 21/2. You did good with initial knockdown, keep it going.
Considering? I'd say they did good. We can always train, and strive to do better. but water on the fire in 2 minutes is good. Too bad the deck gun was OOS on that engine or I would've had no fire to video when I arrived as it would've been knocked or been significantly reduced.
@@terrenceanderson7966 Yes they could have done that too. But in the video all hands are trying to get water to rig while 2 others are stretching a line. Then 2 others start a second line, a blue one. Get one line going then start the second one. Key principle is to try to control the spread. As video moves between rigs you see a 3d team setup with a line but NO water. Blue line moves past them and goes to the left, meanwhile the Red line reappears and also wants water. Blue line which was the 3d one stretched got the first water at 2:10. Not sure which rig got in first, but that was a textbook Deckgun Op if Engine got in first. (But I don't see a gun on top of rig.)
Doesn’t that Engine have tank water? I can’t tell if it has a deck gun either. Did you guys perform any primary searches? Why go defensive so soon? Not criticizing but giving you some food for thought.
Tank water, Yes ... Deck gun, OOS, Searches, No one in the building per pd, and occupants ... Due to size and volume of fire they chose to knock the bulk down then made entry.
in the Uk , our fire depts vehicles all carry water, they would have applied water to that fire within 5 minutes of arrival, and not faff about messing around with hoses, while the building burns down. There could have been person inside that building? US fire depts need to get vehicles with water on board.
@@martinedwards7360 We also have water onboard in the Netherlands. Normally 2 firefighters will start putting water on the fire as soon as possible whilst 2 others prepare the hoses and fire hydrants to take water in if necessary.
@@joop1991 Most American fire pumping apparatus have between 500 and 1000 gallons in their tanks. My agency have 750 each. The fireground tactics are up to their agencies policies and commanders. We would pull hose and hit the fire immediately and use the water we have to try to knock it down....if we empty the tank before we can establish a water supply, so be it. We would expect to at least be able to knock it down enough to be safe to make an entry. But each agency, their training and capabilities are different.
@@martinedwards7360 There is water, but they must be supplied with additional water, so there is constant water, otherwise in how many minutes will the car run out of water, and then what do we do without water.
That fire was really pushing on arrival. It started in the rear in the kitchen, kitchen fires are always difficult because of accumlated grease etc. There were a lot of factors in this. The building is old and access looked difficult especially in the rear and none from either side exposure. The building became comprised thus your really relegated to an exterior attack. They did well,no apparent extension to either exposure. Sometimes you have to let the primary go, and focus on life and protecting exposures.
My father was a volunteer for 17 years,Chief for 4. He taught me a lot about fires and firefighting. I am not a firefighter. The town I live in has the same conditions with access etc. I know there was some criticism in the comments. I thought I would defend rather than add to it.
I think that only FF professionals can evaluate this action, I as a layman always imagined firefighters running, shouting and throwing themselves straight into the flames to save the building and people. The more FF videos I watch the more I realize how stupid my idea was! I deeply admire your effort to reply to every single ccomment, you must have nerves of steel.
Actually no it’s not. As you turn the corner, at 00:12 you can see the 3” with the portable monitor being stretched. Had the operator been at the pump and ready, that length could have been attached to discharge on the Officer side panel, charged, and been flowing water in less than 30 seconds. Instead, they stretched it into almost perfect position and left it uncharged, with a member WAITING for water while they stretched and started first water on the fire (02:10) from the 2 1/2” and stretched an 1 3/4” as well. Nearly a full two minutes that water COULD have been applied from the tank. So in reality, yes, it did, and does make sense to worry about tank water when someone’s business is being destroyed.
@@ritirons2726 While that maybe true that line was not connected or charged till after the blue line came off, and when that line (blue) was charged they had a positive water source. That blitzforce was not charged till later after the fire was almost knocked. However no tank water would've made that line because it's not preconnected and wasn't hooked together and you can plainly see that at the 00:46 mark on the video.
@@FDNY8231 As I stated, that line COULD have been connected to a discharge on the pump panel and charged, thus starting the fire attack from tank water utilizing a portable master stream. It does not need to be pre-connected to be placed in service quickly. The portable monitor such as the mercury monitor or the blitzfire is capable of 500 GPM, so if it is big fire, big water they’re thinking then they should have utilized it instead of the 2 1/2”. What was the point of stretching that line first if they weren’t going to use it until later? Intentionally doing so just wasted time and added to the confusion.
@@ritirons2726 I do NOT disagree with you, however that first line never got connected completely till AFTER they got the blue line operating and by then they had a positive water source so no need for the tank. The optimal would've been hit the hydrant lay in hit it with the deck gun till the water source was established. I would've preferred it that way, but their deck gun was out of service. And I wasn't running those pumps ...
Respect aux pompiers pour leurs dévouement toujours aux coeurs de l action pour sauver les gens et les biens merci a vous les anges gardiens de la ville
Wow! Those flaims were huge! I bet you could feel them from where you were filming. It's awesome how they can knock out the windows with the water. But it's sad all that was lost. Looked like the fire went all the way to the third floor.
Yes, it's a shame about the building. Hopefully someday they'll rebuild it. The heat was very intense there in the beginning. The fire only damaged the 1st and a little of the 2nd floor, but there was smoke damage throughout. Thanks for the comments.
Do they or don't they carry water on the vehicles. The building was obviously beyond internal saving but at least use the water you've got whilst finding a hydrant. Seemed to lack competent leadership. Fairly quick knock down once water was on the fire. Whatever the faults if it wasn't for volunteers and professionals. Situations like this could be a lot worse, so thanks must go to the men and women who risk their lives. Eden the UK has volunteer crews in country areas.
Thanks for comments mate. I wonder if your vollies are like the Benny Hill Fire Dept.? Lol Yes they did have tank water on the engine. Just no deck gun as it was out of service.
bull crap, the uk does not have volunteers, there on call/retained and they can paged to the station for a call, they DO NOT turn up to a call using own vehicles and deffo dont turn up in own clothes and start pulling hose lines. second point, the uk as standard check their kit regularly- at the start of their shift or the on call guys at drill night and more often in many cases, if kit is not working then you get it sorted and if not it goes out of service. I appreciate fully volunteers as I was and am one and can honestly say this bs about volunteer training and equipment is total B,S, if you cant do the job as you should then dont as people will die.
Guys forget they have a thank with water for the first attack ,just put a line down and go for it just to cool it of at first .....to bad these guys dont have a better training .....
I was having a bad day. Till I saw the orange crocks on that guy!😅😅😅😅😅 Just scanning the comments in case there's some mischievous mirth to round out the day.
@@FDNY8231 It's just a little humor. Nothing meant. I love my firefighters. My cousin Sammy is one in Rochester NY. It is a dangerous and selfless job, and not enough positive things can be said about folk that do it. I admire and respect our Fire Departments nationwide. Especially on 9/11.
Upon arrival of this, use the deck gun on tank water until hydrant is connected, use the aerial ladder to get to the roof, have a company or two open the front door on the right hand side and check the building for fire, occupants, etc. while bringing a hose into the building. There is obvious fire extension to the upper floors so you might want to check that. Also, there was too many people running around doing too many things and getting in the way. Assign tasks and stage companies if needed so there isn't all this crazy commotion. And why is the guy in the white cap and jeans not wearing PPE if he is having anything to do with fire attack? Don't let big fire stress you out. Calm and organized gets the job done. 35 yr FF
To piggyback. It is also a route in which the local residents and any emergency services can take should any and all other routes or roads be block. The emergency route is one that must and generally should be clear. Road dimensions are usually suitable for equipment and emergency vehicles of different sizes to pass and utilize the road well.
As always excellent outstanding brilliant they deserve alot of credit tons of it let's honor and appreciate the paramedics and firemen and police and the dispatcher who proudly serve us your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated great job great team work and great and sweet catches as usual still going strong great team efforts are deeply appreciated stay safe and warm out there stay strong and healthy as well much love and respect and appreciation job well done you should be proud really enjoyed and appreciate the vidoes please keep them safe out there and coming let's stop and hope everyone is doing ok right wonder what started the fire don't work to hard appreciate you guys thanks way to very impressed. !!! Joe
You may not have watched the entire video ... Either way they made entry from the rear to the 2nd and 3rd divisions and also from the front on the 1st division.
Ahh I get ya now ... They had one engine in the rear and limited manpower that's the reason for him saying that to advise command. They sent the 2nd Alarm assignment to the rear to assist him which is on the video ...
appareil photo Thank you for your work, but sorry... just an intervention in the form of a question: Where is the safe distance or starting position for trucks in the event of a fire or explosion?!
Best guess from my years of vast experience. About 1/2 block or more. Do we tend to figure that in when responding in? NO! We always want to be as close as is safe enough to get.
votre appareil photo I thank you very much for this humility and for this answer...but I also have 23 years of experience in the same field. The method of tactical response must be applied after the general history of operations. It begins with identifying the position of the trucks in the intervention for the safety of the interveners and the trucks
That was a nice flow pattern for smoke. I definitely would not open any windows until I had water on the fire. Opening flow path could have endangered any occupants on floors above fire.
I hate when they turn water on the hose...shut it off ..turn it on again shut it off ...turn it on again ..... Leave the water on and knock down the fucking fire.
You ever try and reposition a charged 2 1/2" hand line with the water ON? It's VERY difficult, and much easier to just shut the line down for a few seconds.
Congratulations Pennsylvania fire men that was the biggest fire I have ever seen and glad all you guys got it out quickly whoever is cussing at these firefighters that is not nice to them they worked very hard to put out that winery fire
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Folks I'm okay with constructive criticism ... HOWEVER if you feel the need to be RUDE and or downright obnoxious then your comment will be REMOVED, and you may be banned from the channel. Please think BEFORE you decide to comment. Enough is enough!
Wow hope no budy was hurt
@@MichaelAdams-p2v No injuries!
Why would people be rude in the comment section of a video of Firefighters putting out a fire? There are better places for that kind of behavior.
@@rabidseabee7229 One would think!
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Former firefighter and safety officer. I utilized the deck gun every situation that allowed for a deck gun attack. Knocks the fire down quick if not completely and less hose to screw with.
Deck gun was wanted by command but was out of service ... That radio traffic didn't male the video. It was why I started running after starting the video as I figured quick knockdown ...
apologies to the people and visitors of this town....but hey good knock! .....lady in the gray Nomex hoodie nice job....guy in the thermoplastic fiberglass ball cap with MT1000 radio in rear pocket.....thank you for your service !
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Serbian firefighter here, 14 years. No deck gun i our tactic regarding structure fire. For me, it is very wrong. Our engines carry 1088, or 1344, or 806gallons of water and hidrant line is not good, exept in major towns. Ok, water consumptions on deck gun is very high, minimum 200gallons per minute, but with deck gun, we could crush every raging blaze (one that is visible and accessible), with let's say two minues of using deck gun, and during that time, normal line and all other stuff is going on at scene... But no. Strictly prohibited to use deck gun on structure fire's.
@@AirlinersHD I agree ... The deck gun would've been perfect to knock this fire down in around a minute. However while command wanted it, and asked for it, it was out of service on this engine. So they went with what they had. Does it look pretty? No! Most importantly did it get the job done? Yes absolutely! We can talk tactics, and what they should've done ALL day long, but the outcome was the fire went out, and no one was injured, and everyone went home to their families.
Organized, rapid response and an extra shout out to our woman on site!
Training, training, training.....and a HUGE dose of passion for your community. I grew up in a rural volunteer FF home and know how many hours are behind every turnout. Naysayers, nitpickers stop and think before you lash out: under 3 mins. I saw steam and that stopped what could have been the whole block. Thank you to all!
Amen brother ...
Theres a bunch of them. That's awesome to see.
I'm glad that in Holland and other European countries engines carry 2,500 to 4,000 Litres of water and 2 pre-attached lines. Gets the wet stuff on the red stuff within a minute while the rest of the crue set up the external water suply from hydrants or a tanker.
Can't argue with that ....
Same here in Australia, depending on the appliance we have between 2000-4000 liters of water for initial attack whilst the pumpie and any spare crew start to get water setup from a stand pipe, hydrant etc. If we don't have water onto a job with 60 seconds of the truck stopping we're having an extremely bad day.
Yea that was awful To watch …
@@Claus-y5y especially with that unflushed hydrant hookup
Definitely a good remedial training experience for this department. Just lucky no one was inside the building.
If there had been a person entrapped in there they would have been beyond rescue from the beginning as the fire was of this magnitude already prior to the FD arrival. As for training I agree. There are more ways to continue to learn from the mistakes we make on the fireground.
@25:38 "Shamokin" - the best name for a fire dept ever :D
Best spoken with a Sean Connery accent
Lol
Not sure which apparatus was first but truck or engine do have water tanks on them, any where from 500 to 1000 gallons. Should have used tank water while waiting to be hooked up to a hydrant. No need to wait for a water source. Especially in a city setting.
Truck was first and they have no water tank. Must be engine fed.
@@FDNY8231 got yeah it was one of those set ups
@@chrishuston1451 These Appalachian cities of PA have ALL VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPT. Some new younger recruits will go on calls. Actually, in PA even Volunteer Fire people need training as the Paid Union ones.
Just again, these are all VOLUNTEERS. Many have to go to the firehouse and SUITE-UP. There is no 24-hour manned for instant call in these multiple fire-houses and basically take turns for calls and extra-alarms brings in more and other communities ALL IN THE COUNTY BEING VOLUNTEER.
All of them in a small city that is in a depressed former Coal Anthracite Coal Region of Appalachia Pennsylvania. These are poorer cities long past their glory days as we shipped there once prosperous mill jobs overseas or the the sunbelt OVER THEIR BEING UNION TOWNS and that SCOURGE NEVER DIED for Corporate America. Cheap housing here though in old row-home cities dotting Appalachia in PA and this being a former Hard Coal that once fueled home heat and Steel Mills that built our cities in the Northeast.
Nice work! Thank you men and women for keeping families safe.
Thank You!
Nice protective gear... white sneakers and orange croc's !
Fashionable!
Allows water to drain without pooling in shoe.
It’s like everyone got to put on their costumes for the first time 🎉
Halloween huh?
lol was waiting for the mom and kids to start pulling the supply line! LOL Gotta love the vollys
All in the family! :)
Deck Gun, yesterday! Let's go!
It was OOS on the engine ... They did want it!
I’ve said many times that the deck gun is the most underrated and under utilized weapon by many fire departments. You may empty your first due engine tank very quickly (2 minutes +-) but will give you precious time to effect possible rescue and keep the fire at bay until 2nd due can set up hose lines and a good water supply.🇺🇸🚒🐄
It appears no deck gun on engine 1. Just the connection on top. Either never had it or OOS.
@@FDNY8231 Fair enough, I see that now.
Didn't look good in the beginning but ended up checking the fire.
Good job boys.
Amen Thanks ...
@@FDNY8231 it's all good.
I'm a firefighter going on 25 + years I have been to fires being the first due engine on 1 room burn out and it turns into cluster fk but when we are first due with multiple calls for fire and turn the block with 2 vacant building fully involved already in the exposures you would think it will be more of cluster fk but it's just the opposite the operation runs so smoothly.
One video does not say anything about the fire department if I'm not there it's not for me to say anything I don't see what the IC sees I don't see what the firefighters sees..
Respect to all the firefighters 🚒
Thanks brother!
Must be cool to have a fire dept named Shamokin !
This City was named that LONG before any of us were thought of ... I think it's cool! :)
Why did they not get water on that blaze as soon as they arrived? Their delay caused it to get even more established and intense.
I don't think it would have made a big difference. Tell us YOUR solution.
@@FDNY8231 It's obvious that pulling pre connects immediately and flowing water is the correct choice while the rest of the manpower gets the supply handled. Seems pretty basic.
@@TheContentExchange That I agree with ...
@@FDNY8231 - Getting water onto any blaze within seconds of arrival is advantageous, at least they’ve actually started to fight it. I see too many of these videos where the FD takes many minutes before water is flowing.
As a former paid firefighter and volunteer, i appreciate the hardwork. My only issues in this video is the amount of ppl trying to hook up the hose to the base pumper. I'm not sure if they had tank water or not, or a deck gun because that deck gun would've definitely put a good knock on the fire. Once they got water they did knock it down from the outside first before advancing inside. My only other issue is the amount of volunteers showing up without gear, because now commands is limited with manpower so either leave gear in pov or make the trucks before it leaves
Engine had tank water ... Don't know if they used any of it ... Deck gun was wanted by command prior to arrival, but was OOS on this engine, and they were the first arriving engine.
Loved the video with quick knockdown with ground hose !
Thanks 👍
Bright orange Crocs are the best female repellent
Speaking from experience?
My Grandfather was a fireman but he died a few months before I was born, he passed away from lung cancer. Every person who save lives are TRUE HEROES!
Definitely true heroes.
Don't American appliances carry water on them as there seems to be no end of videos with US fire agencies having no sense of urgency getting the wet stuff onto the hot stuff. Water out then water in. Pretty basic really. Our trucks have between 2000 and 400 liters of water on board, god for enough time to get water out before getting a standpipe or similar connected.
There was 500 gallons of water in a tank on this rig.
this is not a typical response.. a lot of hesitation and confusion
That fire looks like it was really Shamokin!
@@FDNY8231500 gallons should last some time. At least long enough to establish a water supply from a hydrant.
@@azschalter00 gallons will be gone in a couple minutes
good coverage
Thanks for watching
Wow! I am going to leave it at Wow! Great video capture!
Many thanks!
Things are smokin' in Shamokin!
This has been commented before too I believe ... ;)
These folks need to train some more.
Don’t we all …
@@FDNY8231 Apparently, those who claim that others need more training are perfect at whatever they do in life, especially firefighting.
@@RealityTrailers I would agree!
All firefighter dying from cancer and blame the mayor but not one firefighter wearing scba on fire
@@SteveWilliams-zp1vg Good point and definitely a consideration , but it looked like they were mostly stood well back and not in smoke . Some had sets on their backs and ready to do though if things developed or it was knocked back enough to go inside .
The know-it-alls came out in force for this video.
Absolutely .... Hard to keep up.
The first thing all these negative commenters should be doing is saying thank you to the firefighters instead for their service and their hard work that they do and if they want to show how they can do it better feel free to upload a video showing them how to do it better and tell them keep their mouth shut!
@@LJT7907
I can see not going in the ground floor with the amount of fire they had, but I hope a crew went to the upper floors at least for a search!
Once it was deemed safe to enter they went in from the rear which had access to the 2nd and 3rd divisions.
great video first time watcher was that a old fire house
Thanks, Yes it was ... The building was 120 years old, and was the former home of the Liberty Fire Co. #2
I was not familiar with this town, what a cool place of Americana. Glad nobody was hurt. I thought it was a great job in a complex situation.
Thanks ...
@@FDNY8231 Subbed. Cool channel! Greetings from metro Detroit!
@@mmal7982 Welcome ... I'd love to come out there sometime and catch some of the fire action. One of my buddies did, and he said it was incredible. I have only been to Michigan one time.
Wow! I dont know where to start, But Truck work needs to be reevaluated, everyone looked lost. The building and their fire tactics needs a complete overhaul...
Thanks for the comments!
I have 32 years as a team leader, but if I let this happen, I will be fired immediately. But there is still something to learn from the clips.
I agree on the training part. You NEVER stop learning on this job.
Thank you for your service. 33 years is a long time
Great video, thanks for sharing. Great job of fire fighting GOB BLESS MEN AND WOMAN WHO DO THAT JOB!
Thanks for watching
Bless the firefighters, they did a great job 👏
Thanks!
How hard is it to pull a line and charge it in under 2-min.?????????
If it's preconnected
@@FDNY8231why no preconnects?
Following through with the initial action we see…
One member stretching the portable monitor.
One breaking the first coupling and making the connection to a discharge.
And one pump operator at the panel and ready….
30 seconds and water would be on the fire from the booster tank.
@@ritirons2726 @thenussbaum44 That would've been nice had it gone that way. It didn't! They stretched that line but it got broke down and never reconnected. at 00:46 you can see the disconnected line laying in the street. The other half got connected to the pump panel and was charged but quickly shut down because it was just spewing water (not seen). The blue 2 1/2" preconnect was the first line stretched that actual put the first water on the fire.
@@Chris-sac The have preconnects at 1 3/4" and one 2 1/2" preconnect. That's the one they ultimately used to make the initial attack
Is this open to criticism? Way too many walking around with no packs on. That guy in the beginning could have helped out a little to get the lines stretched instead of watching the other guys work. Would have ran a lot smoother and quicker in the beginning.
Everything is always open to criticism if we want to Monday morning quarterback. Considering the conditions they met on arrival I think they did an excellent job. The first 15 minutes of ANY working fire are always the most hectic, and there are always reasons to train, and do things better. Thanks for the comments.
If they went any slower the fire may have burnt itself out, It was a deck gun knock down on arrival all day long
Deck gun was out of service ... IMO less than 7 minutes for a knockdown is not bad. Fire was held to building of origin. If their deck gun had been in service there would have been very little fire for me to video as it would've been knocked so in that your are correct.
Arguably, this is a big cluster fuck. Command yelling through the radio pump operators, not knowing what they’re doing too many Chiefs and not enough firefighters and absolutely no hustle whatsoever Not sure if they are paid or volunteer, but that entire department needs to be retrained.
While I can't disagree with the too many chiefs comment because in 40 years it always seems to be the case with volunteer departments. We could find fault with ANY dept at ANY fire posted here even paid departments. Having said that let's review a bit shall we. Within TWO minutes of engine (me) arrival water began being placed on the fire with a proper sized line. Knockdown was quick, but overhaul took much longer. I would say the goals were met in that no one was injured, and everyone went home to their families. NO ONE or department is perfect, and as for training? ALL of us should train, and continue to train to keep our skills as sharp as possible. I'd say they did a great job with what they faced. Fire stayed in original fire building and exposures were not damaged. We can critique later the do's, don'ts, didn'ts and shouldn'ts. Have a nice day and thanks for watching.
I disagree. An 1-1/2 line was not the proper line with that much fire , especially the lower floor. Criticism should not be negative but constructive. Again, in the future, please consider using your tank water with a master stream instead of waiting for hydrant. Furthermore, I saw no attempt at vertical ventilation or more importantly any organized search of upper floors. The National Fire Academy has an enormous amount of information and training available for those serious enough to seek out. I’m not offering advice to embarrass you or anyone else at that Fire. In fact, I applaud everyone of you for caring enough about your community to serve as firefighters. Ben Franklin ( very first Fire Chief ) is quoted as “ Experience keeps a dear school but fools will learn in no other “. Don’t be fools! Learn from this Fire , seek out advice and be safe . God Bless
@@billmoran935 The line they used for initial fire attack was not an 1 1/2" ... It was a 2 1/2" with a smooth bore. I think they had every intention of using the Blitzforce they originally stretched but why that never got first use beats me. Things like this just says to me you can never train enough. Even with close to 50 years in the fire service I still train as hard as I can, because the fires aren't stopping, and there seems to be no relief in sight. Thanks for the comments.
Are there any depts left that use pre connects? Saves so much time.
You obviously didn't WATCH the video too closely. The BLUE line (2 1/2") that came off the REAR right side in the first 1 minute IS a preconnected line. It was the first line in operation and to put water on the fire. :o) In the video you see them take the whole line off and the officer gets up and looks and see's it preconnected and carries on.
@@FDNY8231why’d it take over 2 minutes to start flowing water?
@@Chris-sac I don't have the answer to that question. You have to ask the pump operator. You seen what I shot, and it leans neither left or right and is unbiased.
Yes, there are plenty of pre connect hose out in the world but without execution they are of no use. This video is like so many others. SLOW water to the fire makes bigger fire.
Here in Denmark we have water on the hose in under 1 minute. Amatures...
And I take it you NEVER had a bad day where maybe you got water in your hose in say 1 minute 30 seconds? Hey it happens ANYONE can have a bad day.
Good for you.
Denmark has to have water in under a minute 90% of that country doesn't have a hydrant system.
@@shanestamball1886 What happens if you don't get water in 60 seconds?
@@FDNY8231 they end up looking like complete fool's, then they face public backlash and scrutiny. Its real simple.
Hey, that girl got the big line hooked before anyone.
Woman!
Completely capable ... My hats off to the ladies ....
Heeeey, I'm Shamokin here!
:>)
You guys did a outstanding job well done
Thank You ....
Man, that was _shamokin'_ 🙆🏼
Yeah it was!
Every fire truck should have an 1.5in quick deploy hose and 500gallon tank. Why have a five minute response time if it takes 10 minutes to rig a hose?
Normally they're called preconnects, and they had both in 1 3/4 and 2 1/2 variety. Don't think that was the issue.
I need to ask a genuine question since I am not familiar with the goings-on in Shamokin these days,
but does Friendship's engine not still have a 1,000 gallon booster tank to put a handline into service until they are able to get hydrant connection, or are things that bad across the bureau right now maintenance-wise? On this note I am assuming they don't train on the pump often with how rusty the first 50 gallons was.
This whole thing just looked really bad for them.
My guess is that rust was from the tank water. They have a 750 Gallon tank.
There's somethin' smokin' in Shamokin.
Ya hadda go there huh? Lol ....
Why wouldn’t the first due engine dump their monitor immediately on arrival? Smoke out botyh the second and third floor windows is a pretty good indicator they’ll need the arial. Why the hesitation?
Deck gun was out of service ....
So what do they do the building after that. Must be a heck of a demo sandwiched between two other buildings. Can't imagine it's salvageable.
Since the investigation into the fire is ongoing the building is just secured and boarded up with plywood, etc so no access is allowed till they determine what will be done with it. They could demolish the building without too much problems I believe, but I'm hoping they'll save it and restore it. Thanks for the comments.
Why did they not use a deck gun or their biggest line to get water on the fire immediately? Did they just forget that those things exist?
Sure fire hydrants are great, but as long as you have an ounce of water in your car it would seem wise to put it on the fire first. They don't have anybody doing an interior attack that could have a problem if their water runs out without any supply from a hydrant. So why not use the water you have right away?
The Deck Gun on the car was OUT OF Service, and not even on the car. There is 500 gals of water in the tank on the car that they could've used. I can not answer why they did or did not do what they did. I can only say that there are always more opportunities to train, train, train. Thanks for the comments.
I will never understand why when you have charged hose lines they are shut down while everyone around wants to discuss what is going on? When you get an established water supply get the lines pulled charged and start making a defensive push so ladder companies can start opening and doing searches!!!
Fortunately searches weren't required as the building only two occupants escaped unharmed ...
No water in the tank? More than 6 guys to tie in to a hydrant?
Don't know where you saw that ... They had a positive water source in like 30 seconds in ... I guess 6 guys did good.
@@FDNY82312:09 to start flowing water.
@@Chris-sac I agree ... how long is 1 minute 39 seconds?
Chaos
As is normal at most incidents ... Although from the comments you'd think everyone does it 100% but these guys ... What a shame.
These companies need to drill more.
Can't argue with that ...
That structure appears to be an old fire station? That’s too bad. We have friends of ours who own one as their primary residence. Their’s still has the fireman pole to slide down from second floor to first floor.
Yes it was the firmer Liberty Hose Co. #2 Firehouse and was 120 years old.
That's too bad! 120 years of history up in flames.
This is why we need high pressure booster lines, fast water on the fire whilst a supply is being set up. But we’d rather continue to fight fire in exactly the same way we did in the 1930’s. That being said these guys did a good job knocking it down pretty darn quickly.
a high pressure booster line would not have done anything to a fire of this magnitude. You need 2 1/2 & 3" lines in service or a deck gun master stream to get the BULK of the fire knocked down. There is a reason why departments don't put "booster" reels on rigs anymore......they are ineffective unless you have a small fire ie: that's usually why they are called trash lines.
@@michaeldomanski9352 Correct! The average booster nozzle is only capable of flowing 30 GPM, and for a fire of this size you need WAY more than that. 2 1/2" smooth bore which they used gives 250-500 GPM ...
more than 2 minutes until water was flowing? And that's just what we see from the video - the Engine has arrived on scene before the video has started
Just barely before I arrived ...
@@FDNY8231 still took more than 2 minutes anyway. That's long, like really long
Definitely long. These guys need to use this video for training purposes.
@@HerpDerpNV facts!
@@EnjoyFirefighting Video: "How to keep the foundations of your building fire salvaged."
Just a question I can't get any higher than 360p that's no where near even HD I have a 4k set what's up with that??!
Sometimes for me it takes about an hour after it's posted to show higher than 360p for me
Should up to 4K now as it's FINALLY done processing.
i would think you would want a search of the upper floors for life and extension. Two engines nose to nose, why not make a knock with the deck guns while you establish water supply
Everyone was out of the building per pd on arrival. One engine the other was a rear mount ladder. Deck Gun was out of service.
Why does it take so long to get water on the fire? That’s the normal for most places
Yep
This is how people get killed. There are a lot of people mad about criticism given but I had 13 years on the job and this video shows the lack of training from even standard NFPA. Notice no one pulled off there pre connect 1 3/4. The were so focused on getting a ground monitor in service. Use the quickest line to get water on the fire. Next due personnel can get everything else. USE the DECK GUN. Then I seen so many people standing around. Also you can tell they didn't flush the hydrant. It's not just criticism some of us have done this for a long time and come from departments that are big on training. No fire department is perfect but we always Monday morning QB fire like these because it shows the importance of training
Deck Gun was out of service, command called for it (prior to me starting the video) on the engines arrival. I can't disagree on the training. VERY important to train and learn from our mistakes. If the pump operator had been more attentive the monitor (because no deck gun) would've been hooked up and charged promptly. Yep more training, never enough.
Good job it is always crazy at first and it always sees like guys aren't doing a lot but that is normal it takes a lot to get things up and going firefighting isn't a race so it is nice to go slow and not get hurt especially if they is not one in the building your life worth more trust you me been doing it for 34 years and still on the front line
ABSOLUTELY spot on sir ... A+ Thanks for the comments.
..like give this fire crew a break...how many actual fires have they had to respond to...2nd of all as volunteers they coming from all a round ..3rd of all their not sleeping with their firetrucks unlike full time members and for my final comment they did a great job 👏 👍 👌
With such a huge opening at the front it seems strange the fire was not quickly dealt with using deck canon. The risk of a cylinder inside exploding increases the longer the fire continues. Yes I realise that in USA they want a hydrant installed first to ensure full water but a first hit using tank supply I thought would have been a consideration especially considering no one was committed inside.
The deck cannon or "Deck Gun" as we refer to it was out of service on this rig. Due to the size of the building "I" think they really wanted the positive water source. All total fire knockdown in 5 minutes for a volunteer dept is not bad at all. Could it have been quicker? Certainly, but I'm not gonna judge or speculate. They held the fire to the building of origin, and no injuries or deaths occurred so over all a good job I'd say.
These guys seem awfully unorganized. Why she was putting her breathing apparatus on, outside of the truck is beyond me. They mount in the seat they ride in! And why are there people walking around in civilian clothes helping? There are plenty of turnouts around!
There are some departments that use a clean cab initiative where no scba is stored in the cab. This department isn't one of them, but there are some reasons why that might occur.
I have been doing this going on 33 years, I put my bottle on outside of the truck, allows me to get my own perspective on the fireground and to "slow" down my crew. I use the time to get them over the initial adrenalin rush, especially since we dont see many fires.
With the limited manpower at first, Stretch and operate one line at a time to actually get water flowing. Get in closer with that 21/2. You did good with initial knockdown, keep it going.
Considering? I'd say they did good. We can always train, and strive to do better. but water on the fire in 2 minutes is good. Too bad the deck gun was OOS on that engine or I would've had no fire to video when I arrived as it would've been knocked or been significantly reduced.
😢are we watching the same video.. they could have used deck gun to knock down the fire until landlines were ready.. so no I don't see what u see
@@terrenceanderson7966 Yes they could have done that too. But in the video all hands are trying to get water to rig while 2 others are stretching a line. Then 2 others start a second line, a blue one. Get one line going then start the second one. Key principle is to try to control the spread. As video moves between rigs you see a 3d team setup with a line but NO water. Blue line moves past them and goes to the left, meanwhile the Red line reappears and also wants water. Blue line which was the 3d one stretched got the first water at 2:10. Not sure which rig got in first, but that was a textbook Deckgun Op if Engine got in first. (But I don't see a gun on top of rig.)
@@FDNY8231 Yeah like I said they did good. But it is the basics that must be done. Otherwise it all goes to crap.
Deck Gun was out of service ... Wasn't even on the rig.
I'm sorry, but that is a very poor show. Far too much time taken to get water on that fire. I don't know what else to say really....
Think you've said it ... Thanks!
Doesn’t that Engine have tank water? I can’t tell if it has a deck gun either. Did you guys perform any primary searches? Why go defensive so soon? Not criticizing but giving you some food for thought.
Tank water, Yes ... Deck gun, OOS, Searches, No one in the building per pd, and occupants ... Due to size and volume of fire they chose to knock the bulk down then made entry.
I'm wondering if they were saving the tank water for the parade...😂
You have to see the other video from the beginning. The ladder truck was the first truck to show up for quite a long time. No pump no tank
Why does it take ages to put water on the fire? Don't they have water on board of those vehicles?
in the Uk , our fire depts vehicles all carry water, they would have applied water to that fire within 5 minutes of arrival, and not faff about messing around with hoses, while the building burns down. There could have been person inside that building? US fire depts need to get vehicles with water on board.
@@martinedwards7360 We also have water onboard in the Netherlands. Normally 2 firefighters will start putting water on the fire as soon as possible whilst 2 others prepare the hoses and fire hydrants to take water in if necessary.
This unit has 500 gallons of water in an onboard tank. Uncertain if they used any of it on the fire or waited for hydrant water.
@@joop1991 Most American fire pumping apparatus have between 500 and 1000 gallons in their tanks. My agency have 750 each. The fireground tactics are up to their agencies policies and commanders. We would pull hose and hit the fire immediately and use the water we have to try to knock it down....if we empty the tank before we can establish a water supply, so be it. We would expect to at least be able to knock it down enough to be safe to make an entry. But each agency, their training and capabilities are different.
@@martinedwards7360
There is water, but they must be supplied with additional water, so there is constant water, otherwise in how many minutes will the car run out of water, and then what do we do without water.
That fire was really pushing on arrival. It started in the rear in the kitchen, kitchen fires are always difficult because of accumlated grease etc. There were a lot of factors in this. The building is old and access looked difficult especially in the rear and none from either side exposure. The building became comprised thus your really relegated to an exterior attack. They did well,no apparent extension to either exposure. Sometimes you have to let the primary go, and focus on life and protecting exposures.
Amen brother!
My father was a volunteer for 17 years,Chief for 4. He taught me a lot about fires and firefighting. I am not a firefighter. The town I live in has the same conditions with access etc. I know there was some criticism in the comments. I thought I would
defend rather than add to it.
I think that only FF professionals can evaluate this action, I as a layman always imagined firefighters running, shouting and throwing themselves straight into the flames to save the building and people. The more FF videos I watch the more I realize how stupid my idea was! I deeply admire your effort to reply to every single ccomment, you must have nerves of steel.
Thank You for your comments ... I like to call it nerves of OCD with a TON of patience.
Where's the deck gun?
It was out of service ... Command wanted it.
Was it savable? . They should invest in a deckgun for that engine .
They have it boarded up so no telling at this point yet.
Thanks for the video. It has everything needet to make a fire service video from the USA entertaining. 😁
Glad you enjoyed it
Just imagine if they had used their tank water upon arrival. What a C.F..
The supply line was connected and charged BEFORE the first line was pulled off the engine. No sense at all in even worrying about tank water ...
Actually no it’s not.
As you turn the corner, at 00:12 you can see the 3” with the portable monitor being stretched.
Had the operator been at the pump and ready, that length could have been attached to discharge on the Officer side panel, charged, and been flowing water in less than 30 seconds.
Instead, they stretched it into almost perfect position and left it uncharged, with a member WAITING for water while they stretched and started first water on the fire (02:10) from the 2 1/2” and stretched an 1 3/4” as well.
Nearly a full two minutes that water COULD have been applied from the tank.
So in reality, yes, it did, and does make sense to worry about tank water when someone’s business is being destroyed.
@@ritirons2726 While that maybe true that line was not connected or charged till after the blue line came off, and when that line (blue) was charged they had a positive water source. That blitzforce was not charged till later after the fire was almost knocked. However no tank water would've made that line because it's not preconnected and wasn't hooked together and you can plainly see that at the 00:46 mark on the video.
@@FDNY8231 As I stated, that line COULD have been connected to a discharge on the pump panel and charged, thus starting the fire attack from tank water utilizing a portable master stream. It does not need to be pre-connected to be placed in service quickly.
The portable monitor such as the mercury monitor or the blitzfire is capable of 500 GPM, so if it is big fire, big water they’re thinking then they should have utilized it instead of the 2 1/2”.
What was the point of stretching that line first if they weren’t going to use it until later?
Intentionally doing so just wasted time and added to the confusion.
@@ritirons2726 I do NOT disagree with you, however that first line never got connected completely till AFTER they got the blue line operating and by then they had a positive water source so no need for the tank. The optimal would've been hit the hydrant lay in hit it with the deck gun till the water source was established. I would've preferred it that way, but their deck gun was out of service. And I wasn't running those pumps ...
That fire is really ShaMokin. LOL I like those 2 older KME engines very nice condition.
More flame than schmoke lol
chaos springs to mind
Normally is in the first few minutes.
Respect aux pompiers pour leurs dévouement toujours aux coeurs de l action pour sauver les gens et les biens merci a vous les anges gardiens de la ville
Merci pour vos gentils commentaires.
Wow! Those flaims were huge! I bet you could feel them from where you were filming. It's awesome how they can knock out the windows with the water. But it's sad all that was lost. Looked like the fire went all the way to the third floor.
Yes, it's a shame about the building. Hopefully someday they'll rebuild it. The heat was very intense there in the beginning. The fire only damaged the 1st and a little of the 2nd floor, but there was smoke damage throughout. Thanks for the comments.
Great knock down guys! Well done
Thanks
Greets from Poland💪👊
Greetings!
A few learning points for the responding department in this video.
Never too old or serving too long to learn something and from our mistakes.
Do they or don't they carry water on the vehicles. The building was obviously beyond internal saving but at least use the water you've got whilst finding a hydrant. Seemed to lack competent leadership. Fairly quick knock down once water was on the fire. Whatever the faults if it wasn't for volunteers and professionals. Situations like this could be a lot worse, so thanks must go to the men and women who risk their lives. Eden the UK has volunteer crews in country areas.
Thanks for comments mate. I wonder if your vollies are like the Benny Hill Fire Dept.? Lol Yes they did have tank water on the engine. Just no deck gun as it was out of service.
bull crap, the uk does not have volunteers, there on call/retained and they can paged to the station for a call, they DO NOT turn up to a call using own vehicles and deffo dont turn up in own clothes and start pulling hose lines. second point, the uk as standard check their kit regularly- at the start of their shift or the on call guys at drill night and more often in many cases, if kit is not working then you get it sorted and if not it goes out of service. I appreciate fully volunteers as I was and am one and can honestly say this bs about volunteer training and equipment is total B,S, if you cant do the job as you should then dont as people will die.
The ladder truck showed up first way before any engine ever got there.
Guys forget they have a thank with water for the first attack ,just put a line down and go for it just to cool it of at first .....to bad these guys dont have a better training .....
Thanks for the comments!
I was having a bad day. Till I saw the orange crocks on that guy!😅😅😅😅😅
Just scanning the comments in case there's some mischievous mirth to round out the day.
Glad your day is better now. :)
@@FDNY8231 It's just a little humor. Nothing meant.
I love my firefighters. My cousin Sammy is one in Rochester NY. It is a dangerous and selfless job, and not enough positive things can be said about folk that do it. I admire and respect our Fire Departments nationwide. Especially on 9/11.
@@11BInfantry-l8z Thanks brother!
The guy in the blue shirt must be the Safety Officer.
Ladder Pipes have been replaced by Tower Ladders (Buckets).
Nope not the safety officer.
I hope they use the video to improve themselves.
Would be nice to think they have.
Upon arrival of this, use the deck gun on tank water until hydrant is connected, use the aerial ladder to get to the roof, have a company or two open the front door on the right hand side and check the building for fire, occupants, etc. while bringing a hose into the building. There is obvious fire extension to the upper floors so you might want to check that. Also, there was too many people running around doing too many things and getting in the way. Assign tasks and stage companies if needed so there isn't all this crazy commotion. And why is the guy in the white cap and jeans not wearing PPE if he is having anything to do with fire attack? Don't let big fire stress you out. Calm and organized gets the job done. 35 yr FF
Deck gun was OOS, Entry to the upper floors was made from the rear, The front door leads directly where the old carriage room was and hence the fire.
what is a Snow Emergency Route ?
Whenever a snow emergency is declared no vehicles can on that road without tire chains, and local vehicles can't park there during the emergency.
To piggyback. It is also a route in which the local residents and any emergency services can take should any and all other routes or roads be block. The emergency route is one that must and generally should be clear. Road dimensions are usually suitable for equipment and emergency vehicles of different sizes to pass and utilize the road well.
As always excellent outstanding brilliant they deserve alot of credit tons of it let's honor and appreciate the paramedics and firemen and police and the dispatcher who proudly serve us your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated great job great team work and great and sweet catches as usual still going strong great team efforts are deeply appreciated stay safe and warm out there stay strong and healthy as well much love and respect and appreciation job well done you should be proud really enjoyed and appreciate the vidoes please keep them safe out there and coming let's stop and hope everyone is doing ok right wonder what started the fire don't work to hard appreciate you guys thanks way to very impressed. !!! Joe
Thank You for your comments Joe!
So, no interior attack, on any level?
You may not have watched the entire video ... Either way they made entry from the rear to the 2nd and 3rd divisions and also from the front on the 1st division.
Anything happening in the rear?
"We have 1 line stretched, No manpower, Were doing all we can"
If you watched longer than 9 minutes you'd have your answer without me saying anything.
@@FDNY8231 I was quoting the video.
Ahh I get ya now ... They had one engine in the rear and limited manpower that's the reason for him saying that to advise command. They sent the 2nd Alarm assignment to the rear to assist him which is on the video ...
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Thank you for your work, but sorry... just an intervention in the form of a question: Where is the safe distance or starting position for trucks in the event of a fire or explosion?!
Best guess from my years of vast experience. About 1/2 block or more. Do we tend to figure that in when responding in? NO! We always want to be as close as is safe enough to get.
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I thank you very much for this humility and for this answer...but I also have 23 years of experience in the same field. The method of tactical response must be applied after the general history of operations. It begins with identifying the position of the trucks in the intervention for the safety of the interveners and the trucks
That was tough to watch.
Shame for that building ...
Ironic how the building on fire has a fire department logo on it
It was an old firehouse which was sold after consolidation of two companies and turned in a winery/restaurant.
Much loved
Thanks!
That was a nice flow pattern for smoke. I definitely would not open any windows until I had water on the fire. Opening flow path could have endangered any occupants on floors above fire.
Don't think it mattered in this case because the building was unoccupied on the floors above, and everyone was out on the main floor.
I hate when they turn water on the hose...shut it off ..turn it on again shut it off ...turn it on again .....
Leave the water on and knock down the fucking fire.
You are so manly.
You ever try and reposition a charged 2 1/2" hand line with the water ON? It's VERY difficult, and much easier to just shut the line down for a few seconds.
Congratulations Pennsylvania fire men that was the biggest fire I have ever seen and glad all you guys got it out quickly whoever is cussing at these firefighters that is not nice to them they worked very hard to put out that winery fire
Thank You for your comments.
I volunteered with independence for a while. I loved it. I remember that company before it closed. All that history. Really sucks to see it.
I agree it was a shame considering they were trying to save the building by putting in a business and preserving the heritage.
1”3/4 line up the stairs to the 2nd floor as soon as the first floor knocked down a bit?
That line came in from the rear, and one to the 3rd division too.
Volunteer fire department??
Yup
Yes ...
It was pretty obvious from the get-go.
Haaa I've seen BIG city depts mess up and delay a water source and push to 4 or 5 Alarms ... It's not obvious ...