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- SFB - Onscene - 4/21/24 - READ Further For More Details .. View In "HD"
You are on scene with the Shamokin Fire Bureau as the operate on a Commercial Building Fire on Sunbury St. in the city.
The building is known as Firehouse Winery, and was originally built and used by the Liberty Hose Company #2 for decades.
The building was well involved on arrival of fire units, and a 2nd. Alarm was quickly struck. Out of town ladder companies assisted, and the fire was quickly knocked down. Then extensive overhaul began.
No injuries were reported in this fire.
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I'm glad that in Holland and other European countries engines carry 2,500 to 4,000 Litres of water and 2 pre-attached lines. Gets the wet stuff on the red stuff within a minute while the rest of the crue set up the external water suply from hydrants or a tanker.
Can't argue with that ....
Former firefighter and safety officer. I utilized the deck gun every situation that allowed for a deck gun attack. Knocks the fire down quick if not completely and less hose to screw with.
Deck gun was wanted by command but was out of service ... That radio traffic didn't male the video. It was why I started running after starting the video as I figured quick knockdown ...
apologies to the people and visitors of this town....but hey good knock! .....lady in the gray Nomex hoodie nice job....guy in the thermoplastic fiberglass ball cap with MT1000 radio in rear pocket.....thank you for your service !
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Organized, rapid response and an extra shout out to our woman on site!
Training, training, training.....and a HUGE dose of passion for your community. I grew up in a rural volunteer FF home and know how many hours are behind every turnout. Naysayers, nitpickers stop and think before you lash out: under 3 mins. I saw steam and that stopped what could have been the whole block. Thank you to all!
Amen brother ...
Theres a bunch of them. That's awesome to see.
Thanks for the video. It has everything needet to make a fire service video from the USA entertaining. 😁
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice protective gear... white sneakers and orange croc's !
Fashionable!
Allows water to drain without pooling in shoe.
lol was waiting for the mom and kids to start pulling the supply line! LOL Gotta love the vollys
All in the family! :)
Not sure which apparatus was first but truck or engine do have water tanks on them, any where from 500 to 1000 gallons. Should have used tank water while waiting to be hooked up to a hydrant. No need to wait for a water source. Especially in a city setting.
Truck was first and they have no water tank. Must be engine fed.
@@FDNY8231 got yeah it was one of those set ups
@@chrishuston1451 These Appalachian cities of PA have ALL VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPT. Some new younger recruits will go on calls. Actually, in PA even Volunteer Fire people need training as the Paid Union ones.
Just again, these are all VOLUNTEERS. Many have to go to the firehouse and SUITE-UP. There is no 24-hour manned for instant call in these multiple fire-houses and basically take turns for calls and extra-alarms brings in more and other communities ALL IN THE COUNTY BEING VOLUNTEER.
All of them in a small city that is in a depressed former Coal Anthracite Coal Region of Appalachia Pennsylvania. These are poorer cities long past their glory days as we shipped there once prosperous mill jobs overseas or the the sunbelt OVER THEIR BEING UNION TOWNS and that SCOURGE NEVER DIED for Corporate America. Cheap housing here though in old row-home cities dotting Appalachia in PA and this being a former Hard Coal that once fueled home heat and Steel Mills that built our cities in the Northeast.
That was tough to watch.
Shame for that building ...
Respect to all the firefighters 🚒
Thanks brother!
@25:38 "Shamokin" - the best name for a fire dept ever :D
Best spoken with a Sean Connery accent
Lol
Deck Gun, yesterday! Let's go!
It was OOS on the engine ... They did want it!
I’ve said many times that the deck gun is the most underrated and under utilized weapon by many fire departments. You may empty your first due engine tank very quickly (2 minutes +-) but will give you precious time to effect possible rescue and keep the fire at bay until 2nd due can set up hose lines and a good water supply.🇺🇸🚒🐄
It appears no deck gun on engine 1. Just the connection on top. Either never had it or OOS.
@@FDNY8231 Fair enough, I see that now.
As a former paid firefighter and volunteer, i appreciate the hardwork. My only issues in this video is the amount of ppl trying to hook up the hose to the base pumper. I'm not sure if they had tank water or not, or a deck gun because that deck gun would've definitely put a good knock on the fire. Once they got water they did knock it down from the outside first before advancing inside. My only other issue is the amount of volunteers showing up without gear, because now commands is limited with manpower so either leave gear in pov or make the trucks before it leaves
Engine had tank water ... Don't know if they used any of it ... Deck gun was wanted by command prior to arrival, but was OOS on this engine, and they were the first arriving engine.
Bright orange Crocs are the best female repellent
Speaking from experience?
It was like watching a Three stooges movie.
We thought we saw you in the background.
Lol ...
Must be cool to have a fire dept named Shamokin !
This City was named that LONG before any of us were thought of ... I think it's cool! :)
Chaos
As is normal at most incidents ... Although from the comments you'd think everyone does it 100% but these guys ... What a shame.
Didn't look good in the beginning but ended up checking the fire.
Good job boys.
Amen Thanks ...
@@FDNY8231 it's all good.
I'm a firefighter going on 25 + years I have been to fires being the first due engine on 1 room burn out and it turns into cluster fk but when we are first due with multiple calls for fire and turn the block with 2 vacant building fully involved already in the exposures you would think it will be more of cluster fk but it's just the opposite the operation runs so smoothly.
One video does not say anything about the fire department if I'm not there it's not for me to say anything I don't see what the IC sees I don't see what the firefighters sees..
These folks need to train some more.
Don’t we all …
@@FDNY8231 Apparently, those who claim that others need more training are perfect at whatever they do in life, especially firefighting.
@@RealityTrailers I would agree!
All firefighter dying from cancer and blame the mayor but not one firefighter wearing scba on fire
@@SteveWilliams-zp1vg Good point and definitely a consideration , but it looked like they were mostly stood well back and not in smoke . Some had sets on their backs and ready to do though if things developed or it was knocked back enough to go inside .
My Grandfather was a fireman but he died a few months before I was born, he passed away from lung cancer. Every person who save lives are TRUE HEROES!
Definitely true heroes.
I was not familiar with this town, what a cool place of Americana. Glad nobody was hurt. I thought it was a great job in a complex situation.
Thanks ...
@@FDNY8231 Subbed. Cool channel! Greetings from metro Detroit!
@@mmal7982 Welcome ... I'd love to come out there sometime and catch some of the fire action. One of my buddies did, and he said it was incredible. I have only been to Michigan one time.
With the limited manpower at first, Stretch and operate one line at a time to actually get water flowing. Get in closer with that 21/2. You did good with initial knockdown, keep it going.
Considering? I'd say they did good. We can always train, and strive to do better. but water on the fire in 2 minutes is good. Too bad the deck gun was OOS on that engine or I would've had no fire to video when I arrived as it would've been knocked or been significantly reduced.
😢are we watching the same video.. they could have used deck gun to knock down the fire until landlines were ready.. so no I don't see what u see
@@terrenceanderson7966 Yes they could have done that too. But in the video all hands are trying to get water to rig while 2 others are stretching a line. Then 2 others start a second line, a blue one. Get one line going then start the second one. Key principle is to try to control the spread. As video moves between rigs you see a 3d team setup with a line but NO water. Blue line moves past them and goes to the left, meanwhile the Red line reappears and also wants water. Blue line which was the 3d one stretched got the first water at 2:10. Not sure which rig got in first, but that was a textbook Deckgun Op if Engine got in first. (But I don't see a gun on top of rig.)
@@FDNY8231 Yeah like I said they did good. But it is the basics that must be done. Otherwise it all goes to crap.
Deck Gun was out of service ... Wasn't even on the rig.
This is why we need high pressure booster lines, fast water on the fire whilst a supply is being set up. But we’d rather continue to fight fire in exactly the same way we did in the 1930’s. That being said these guys did a good job knocking it down pretty darn quickly.
a high pressure booster line would not have done anything to a fire of this magnitude. You need 2 1/2 & 3" lines in service or a deck gun master stream to get the BULK of the fire knocked down. There is a reason why departments don't put "booster" reels on rigs anymore......they are ineffective unless you have a small fire ie: that's usually why they are called trash lines.
@@michaeldomanski9352 Correct! The average booster nozzle is only capable of flowing 30 GPM, and for a fire of this size you need WAY more than that. 2 1/2" smooth bore which they used gives 250-500 GPM ...
There's somethin' smokin' in Shamokin.
Ya hadda go there huh? Lol ....
Hey, that girl got the big line hooked before anyone.
Woman!
Completely capable ... My hats off to the ladies ....
That fire was really pushing on arrival. It started in the rear in the kitchen, kitchen fires are always difficult because of accumlated grease etc. There were a lot of factors in this. The building is old and access looked difficult especially in the rear and none from either side exposure. The building became comprised thus your really relegated to an exterior attack. They did well,no apparent extension to either exposure. Sometimes you have to let the primary go, and focus on life and protecting exposures.
Amen brother!
My father was a volunteer for 17 years,Chief for 4. He taught me a lot about fires and firefighting. I am not a firefighter. The town I live in has the same conditions with access etc. I know there was some criticism in the comments. I thought I would
defend rather than add to it.
The know-it-alls came out in force for this video.
Absolutely .... Hard to keep up.
Jesus! You’ve finally got a knock on the first floor. Get in there and put the thing out! Oh, and while you’re just standing there, go VES the floors above.
There was no one in the building. The upper floors were not used. What does Jesus have to do with anything?
@@FDNY8231 Also it is probably not a good idea or necessary to send in Firefighters into a floor above a fire , especially as the building was unoccupied .
good coverage
Thanks for watching
great video first time watcher was that a old fire house
Thanks, Yes it was ... The building was 120 years old, and was the former home of the Liberty Fire Co. #2
Good job it is always crazy at first and it always sees like guys aren't doing a lot but that is normal it takes a lot to get things up and going firefighting isn't a race so it is nice to go slow and not get hurt especially if they is not one in the building your life worth more trust you me been doing it for 34 years and still on the front line
ABSOLUTELY spot on sir ... A+ Thanks for the comments.
..like give this fire crew a break...how many actual fires have they had to respond to...2nd of all as volunteers they coming from all a round ..3rd of all their not sleeping with their firetrucks unlike full time members and for my final comment they did a great job 👏 👍 👌
Is this open to criticism? Way too many walking around with no packs on. That guy in the beginning could have helped out a little to get the lines stretched instead of watching the other guys work. Would have ran a lot smoother and quicker in the beginning.
Everything is always open to criticism if we want to Monday morning quarterback. Considering the conditions they met on arrival I think they did an excellent job. The first 15 minutes of ANY working fire are always the most hectic, and there are always reasons to train, and do things better. Thanks for the comments.
Loved the video with quick knockdown with ground hose !
Thanks 👍
If they went any slower the fire may have burnt itself out, It was a deck gun knock down on arrival all day long
Deck gun was out of service ... IMO less than 7 minutes for a knockdown is not bad. Fire was held to building of origin. If their deck gun had been in service there would have been very little fire for me to video as it would've been knocked so in that your are correct.
Respect aux pompiers pour leurs dévouement toujours aux coeurs de l action pour sauver les gens et les biens merci a vous les anges gardiens de la ville
Merci pour vos gentils commentaires.
Arguably, this is a big cluster fuck. Command yelling through the radio pump operators, not knowing what they’re doing too many Chiefs and not enough firefighters and absolutely no hustle whatsoever Not sure if they are paid or volunteer, but that entire department needs to be retrained.
While I can't disagree with the too many chiefs comment because in 40 years it always seems to be the case with volunteer departments. We could find fault with ANY dept at ANY fire posted here even paid departments. Having said that let's review a bit shall we. Within TWO minutes of engine (me) arrival water began being placed on the fire with a proper sized line. Knockdown was quick, but overhaul took much longer. I would say the goals were met in that no one was injured, and everyone went home to their families. NO ONE or department is perfect, and as for training? ALL of us should train, and continue to train to keep our skills as sharp as possible. I'd say they did a great job with what they faced. Fire stayed in original fire building and exposures were not damaged. We can critique later the do's, don'ts, didn'ts and shouldn'ts. Have a nice day and thanks for watching.
I disagree. An 1-1/2 line was not the proper line with that much fire , especially the lower floor. Criticism should not be negative but constructive. Again, in the future, please consider using your tank water with a master stream instead of waiting for hydrant. Furthermore, I saw no attempt at vertical ventilation or more importantly any organized search of upper floors. The National Fire Academy has an enormous amount of information and training available for those serious enough to seek out. I’m not offering advice to embarrass you or anyone else at that Fire. In fact, I applaud everyone of you for caring enough about your community to serve as firefighters. Ben Franklin ( very first Fire Chief ) is quoted as “ Experience keeps a dear school but fools will learn in no other “. Don’t be fools! Learn from this Fire , seek out advice and be safe . God Bless
@@billmoran935 The line they used for initial fire attack was not an 1 1/2" ... It was a 2 1/2" with a smooth bore. I think they had every intention of using the Blitzforce they originally stretched but why that never got first use beats me. Things like this just says to me you can never train enough. Even with close to 50 years in the fire service I still train as hard as I can, because the fires aren't stopping, and there seems to be no relief in sight. Thanks for the comments.
Imagine all the shamokin jokes this department has to hear over and over again 😭
Yeah NOT cool ... :)
There's somethin smokin in Shamokin.
Wow! I am going to leave it at Wow! Great video capture!
Many thanks!
Looks okay to me. Water supply established. Good knockdown. Multiple lines pulled. Ladder up. No one got hurt.
Right on the money ... First few minutes are always the craziest.
I can see not going in the ground floor with the amount of fire they had, but I hope a crew went to the upper floors at least for a search!
Once it was deemed safe to enter they went in from the rear which had access to the 2nd and 3rd divisions.
Just imagine if they had used their tank water upon arrival. What a C.F..
The supply line was connected and charged BEFORE the first line was pulled off the engine. No sense at all in even worrying about tank water ...
Actually no it’s not.
As you turn the corner, at 00:12 you can see the 3” with the portable monitor being stretched.
Had the operator been at the pump and ready, that length could have been attached to discharge on the Officer side panel, charged, and been flowing water in less than 30 seconds.
Instead, they stretched it into almost perfect position and left it uncharged, with a member WAITING for water while they stretched and started first water on the fire (02:10) from the 2 1/2” and stretched an 1 3/4” as well.
Nearly a full two minutes that water COULD have been applied from the tank.
So in reality, yes, it did, and does make sense to worry about tank water when someone’s business is being destroyed.
@@ritirons2726 While that maybe true that line was not connected or charged till after the blue line came off, and when that line (blue) was charged they had a positive water source. That blitzforce was not charged till later after the fire was almost knocked. However no tank water would've made that line because it's not preconnected and wasn't hooked together and you can plainly see that at the 00:46 mark on the video.
@@FDNY8231 As I stated, that line COULD have been connected to a discharge on the pump panel and charged, thus starting the fire attack from tank water utilizing a portable master stream. It does not need to be pre-connected to be placed in service quickly.
The portable monitor such as the mercury monitor or the blitzfire is capable of 500 GPM, so if it is big fire, big water they’re thinking then they should have utilized it instead of the 2 1/2”.
What was the point of stretching that line first if they weren’t going to use it until later?
Intentionally doing so just wasted time and added to the confusion.
@@ritirons2726 I do NOT disagree with you, however that first line never got connected completely till AFTER they got the blue line operating and by then they had a positive water source so no need for the tank. The optimal would've been hit the hydrant lay in hit it with the deck gun till the water source was established. I would've preferred it that way, but their deck gun was out of service. And I wasn't running those pumps ...
Just a question I can't get any higher than 360p that's no where near even HD I have a 4k set what's up with that??!
Sometimes for me it takes about an hour after it's posted to show higher than 360p for me
Should up to 4K now as it's FINALLY done processing.
Ironic how the building on fire has a fire department logo on it
It was an old firehouse which was sold after consolidation of two companies and turned in a winery/restaurant.
You guys did a outstanding job well done
Thank You ....
Liked, subscribed and shared your video and your channel
Thank You VERY much!
@@FDNY8231 You're very welcome matey 👍🏻
'Shamokin' That's a fun name for a FD/Any other fire service agency 😂😅
They really don't have a choice now .. They've had it 185 years now since March 1, 1835.
The guy in the blue shirt must be the Safety Officer.
Ladder Pipes have been replaced by Tower Ladders (Buckets).
Nope not the safety officer.
Man hätte eventuell noch mehr Drehleitern einsetzen können 🤣🤣🤣
Insgesamt wurden 4 Leitern verwendet.
That was a nice flow pattern for smoke. I definitely would not open any windows until I had water on the fire. Opening flow path could have endangered any occupants on floors above fire.
Don't think it mattered in this case because the building was unoccupied on the floors above, and everyone was out on the main floor.
Its easy to be critique when watching film. I can tell you what mike tyson done wrong boxing while watching a film but that doesnt mean i want to step in the ring with the man. 😊
Cool way to put it.
I hate when they turn water on the hose...shut it off ..turn it on again shut it off ...turn it on again .....
Leave the water on and knock down the fucking fire.
You are so manly.
You ever try and reposition a charged 2 1/2" hand line with the water ON? It's VERY difficult, and much easier to just shut the line down for a few seconds.
Great knock down guys! Well done
Thanks
Coolest spot for a LDH INTAKE I’ve ever seen.
I believe it goes right into the tank.
Congratulations Pennsylvania fire men that was the biggest fire I have ever seen and glad all you guys got it out quickly whoever is cussing at these firefighters that is not nice to them they worked very hard to put out that winery fire
Thank You for your comments.
How hard is it to pull a line and charge it in under 2-min.?????????
If it's preconnected
@@FDNY8231why no preconnects?
Following through with the initial action we see…
One member stretching the portable monitor.
One breaking the first coupling and making the connection to a discharge.
And one pump operator at the panel and ready….
30 seconds and water would be on the fire from the booster tank.
@@ritirons2726 @thenussbaum44 That would've been nice had it gone that way. It didn't! They stretched that line but it got broke down and never reconnected. at 00:46 you can see the disconnected line laying in the street. The other half got connected to the pump panel and was charged but quickly shut down because it was just spewing water (not seen). The blue 2 1/2" preconnect was the first line stretched that actual put the first water on the fire.
@@Chris-sac The have preconnects at 1 3/4" and one 2 1/2" preconnect. That's the one they ultimately used to make the initial attack
Looked like an old fire station
It was ... 120 years old
That structure appears to be an old fire station? That’s too bad. We have friends of ours who own one as their primary residence. Their’s still has the fireman pole to slide down from second floor to first floor.
Yes it was the firmer Liberty Hose Co. #2 Firehouse and was 120 years old.
That's too bad! 120 years of history up in flames.
i would think you would want a search of the upper floors for life and extension. Two engines nose to nose, why not make a knock with the deck guns while you establish water supply
Everyone was out of the building per pd on arrival. One engine the other was a rear mount ladder. Deck Gun was out of service.
Did anyone do a search of the inside... someone should vent thst roof..get that stick in the air.. what a mess.. hope everyone got out of the building.
No search 😞..
No venting😮
You much like the average person probably only watched seven of the 32 minutes of the video (according to analytics). If you had watched further you'd have seen the rear of the fire building operations which INCLUDED entry, search (No one was in from the beginning as PD advised) and venting.
All this and then some in the greatest country in the world......
There ya are ...
At ease keyboard warriors…. I’m sure anybody can pick apart anybody’s fire after the fact. I remember that firehouse when I was a kid! Classic looking! I was up there and just drove by it the week after Easter. What a shame.
I would usually agree about the key board warriors but they had a hydrant feed before a line stretched? Lol
Haaaa They are ALL fired up now ... No stopping them when they get going. I wish they'd watch more than the average 7 minutes of the video as it answers a whole lot more of the story than just the first few minutes of setup and initial operations. That was also my favorite city firehouse.
Unbelievable how fast it was spreading. What darn shame. Blessings to all. The guy in the blue t-shirt needs a uniform and helmet. Is he a firefighter??? So sorry for the owners. 😞😢❤
Thanks for the comments ... Shame 120 year old former firehouse ...
The first thing to do,is put water in the fire,US fire engines carry at least 4 minutes constant water fire fighting.
That depends on the size tank, line and gallonage of nozzle, and pressure. My 500 gallon tank last right around 2 minutes with 2 small 1 3/4" lines at 95GPM.
...I don't know a whole lot about putting out house fires but it seems like everybody in this situation is panicking nobody knows where they're supposed to be the guy in the civilian clothes seems to be barking orders at everybody while everybody else is running around with their heads cut off you have guys tripping over hoses water isn't staying on steadily they're not using a wider spray and many other questions.... maybe I'm wrong but with all of the experience these guys have everybody in there seems to be rookies
Thank You for your comments.
Just incase it is not known? These small Appalachian PA cities ALL have Volunteer Fire Depts that really are not like a Union 24-hour staffed one. They do have to go thru training in PA as Union Dept Fire personal. I actually was in one of the Fire Stations as they have BARS in them as Clubs. When this call went out. The Trucks do not go out instantly as some Fire-people need to arrive and suit up. It would appear still this fire had a good start and once got air was fully engulfed.
Irony has it it was a closed fire-station turned into a Wine-bar. I think the small city and surrounding township has 6-All volunteer stations left. 5 still have a Bar that is a Club one has to be a member, just not a fireman. I was in the one Fire station that had a Call to go just blocks away. Still though some were in the firehouse and bar at the time. Not sure if it had to wait a bit for more at first to arrive? Other stations from nearby communities and in-city were called also as ALL-Volunteer County-wide and most of Appalachia smaller cities, towns and villages.
Are there any depts left that use pre connects? Saves so much time.
You obviously didn't WATCH the video too closely. The BLUE line (2 1/2") that came off the REAR right side in the first 1 minute IS a preconnected line. It was the first line in operation and to put water on the fire. :o) In the video you see them take the whole line off and the officer gets up and looks and see's it preconnected and carries on.
@@FDNY8231why’d it take over 2 minutes to start flowing water?
@@Chris-sac I don't have the answer to that question. You have to ask the pump operator. You seen what I shot, and it leans neither left or right and is unbiased.
Jesus saves
Amen brother ....
Why wouldn’t the first due engine dump their monitor immediately on arrival? Smoke out botyh the second and third floor windows is a pretty good indicator they’ll need the arial. Why the hesitation?
Deck gun was out of service ....
Great catch D.Y read some of the comments, though I am not a firefighter or based in the US, but here in the UK, I have watched many videos from your buddy JJ, and have a grasp on ways crews operate, but for the fact that there was a line in use and another guy waiting for water on the deck gun, who could only though his hands up in amazement and they pushed the line over, the charged line should have been moved and the deck gun brought into use... stay safe pal and thanks again
Thanks Brother ... JJ is a great fella, and I'm so glad he does well. Unfortunately things on the fireground don't always go as preplanned or the way you figured they may. I have found that usually the first 15 minutes are a cluster till you work out all the kinks (Literally). Having said that in this case the outcome is the best that could be achieved in that the fire went out, and everyone went home. Take care my friend. GSTK
Welcome to PA UGH!
Glad to have you Bill.
Busting on bill? He is right. ugh is right. coming from an FDNY fella. wow
@@jerrywoods5146 The FDNY is just my channel name ... Read my BIO and you'll get the whole story. I buff FDNY when I can get up there. Used to be 5 days a week.
Do they or don't they carry water on the vehicles. The building was obviously beyond internal saving but at least use the water you've got whilst finding a hydrant. Seemed to lack competent leadership. Fairly quick knock down once water was on the fire. Whatever the faults if it wasn't for volunteers and professionals. Situations like this could be a lot worse, so thanks must go to the men and women who risk their lives. Eden the UK has volunteer crews in country areas.
Thanks for comments mate. I wonder if your vollies are like the Benny Hill Fire Dept.? Lol Yes they did have tank water on the engine. Just no deck gun as it was out of service.
bull crap, the uk does not have volunteers, there on call/retained and they can paged to the station for a call, they DO NOT turn up to a call using own vehicles and deffo dont turn up in own clothes and start pulling hose lines. second point, the uk as standard check their kit regularly- at the start of their shift or the on call guys at drill night and more often in many cases, if kit is not working then you get it sorted and if not it goes out of service. I appreciate fully volunteers as I was and am one and can honestly say this bs about volunteer training and equipment is total B,S, if you cant do the job as you should then dont as people will die.
The ladder truck showed up first way before any engine ever got there.
Anything happening in the rear?
"We have 1 line stretched, No manpower, Were doing all we can"
If you watched longer than 9 minutes you'd have your answer without me saying anything.
@@FDNY8231 I was quoting the video.
Ahh I get ya now ... They had one engine in the rear and limited manpower that's the reason for him saying that to advise command. They sent the 2nd Alarm assignment to the rear to assist him which is on the video ...
There are some who thinks they are experts just by watching a few minutes of video, but when it comes to put it into action they are no where to be seen.
Couldn't agree more!
Unfortunately, the "keyboard experts" are everywhere on social media.
Maybe 27 years on fdny ladder u learn a little
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Thank you for your work, but sorry... just an intervention in the form of a question: Where is the safe distance or starting position for trucks in the event of a fire or explosion?!
Best guess from my years of vast experience. About 1/2 block or more. Do we tend to figure that in when responding in? NO! We always want to be as close as is safe enough to get.
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I thank you very much for this humility and for this answer...but I also have 23 years of experience in the same field. The method of tactical response must be applied after the general history of operations. It begins with identifying the position of the trucks in the intervention for the safety of the interveners and the trucks
No water in the tank? More than 6 guys to tie in to a hydrant?
Don't know where you saw that ... They had a positive water source in like 30 seconds in ... I guess 6 guys did good.
@@FDNY82312:09 to start flowing water.
@@Chris-sac I agree ... how long is 1 minute 39 seconds?
Don't cross the steams!
Why?
Imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
Total pro-tonic reversal.
Okay, thanks for that. Good safety tip.
Thanks for the tip! 😂
Quoting Egon Spengler... 🤣 Who you gonna... 👻
Where's the deck gun?
It was out of service ... Command wanted it.
Radio straps go under the turnout gear there, Chief
Normally!
Makes no difference
All those people running around and they can't get one line in operation..very unorganized..
Go figure .... If they had you wouldn't be able to comment from your armchair. Things do not always go as planned on the fireground. First few minutes of any fire are the most hectic. Give them a break or come help out. :)
Why a re you people always compelled to criticize?
Thought they were filming a Tom &Jerry show
Jerry always wins in the end ...
Doesn’t that Engine have tank water? I can’t tell if it has a deck gun either. Did you guys perform any primary searches? Why go defensive so soon? Not criticizing but giving you some food for thought.
Tank water, Yes ... Deck gun, OOS, Searches, No one in the building per pd, and occupants ... Due to size and volume of fire they chose to knock the bulk down then made entry.
I'm wondering if they were saving the tank water for the parade...😂
You have to see the other video from the beginning. The ladder truck was the first truck to show up for quite a long time. No pump no tank
what is a Snow Emergency Route ?
Whenever a snow emergency is declared no vehicles can on that road without tire chains, and local vehicles can't park there during the emergency.
To piggyback. It is also a route in which the local residents and any emergency services can take should any and all other routes or roads be block. The emergency route is one that must and generally should be clear. Road dimensions are usually suitable for equipment and emergency vehicles of different sizes to pass and utilize the road well.
Smh do have a deck gun you have tank water send it
That question was answered a LOT ... Deck gun was out of service ...
@@FDNY8231 appreciate that, however if A LOT of fire fighter are asking it then its probably a valid point, in the uk we dont normally have "deck guns" however we have water on our pumps and 2 high pressure reels and lots of times will pull them to get the wet stuff on the red stuff in under 2 minutes of arrival and thats for full time and retained/on call.
So, no interior attack, on any level?
You may not have watched the entire video ... Either way they made entry from the rear to the 2nd and 3rd divisions and also from the front on the 1st division.
Wow this has to be the worst ladder response ever. Should called in for a tower truck so the nozzle can be aimed properly. Got two ladder trucks that are useless and blocking access onsite and dumping assloads of water into holes instead of one fire
You must have missed Tower 54 ... In any case they are 15 Miles away, and take minimum 25 minutes give or take to get there. So you do what you can with what you have. By the time that tower ladder arrived the fire was pretty much knocked and overhaul was in progress. The city used to have a tower ladder but they opted for just the ladder when they bought the KME.
Good job overall … always chaotic in beginning stages of fire attack, this one no different. Just couldn’t figure what the ladder truck in the rear was trying to do . They weren’t even remotely close to reaching the rear of the structure
I believe they were setup for exposure protection with their monitor. Not really a way to reach the building from where they were.
Me to you me to you 😂 ohh god it’s a fire 🔥 someone call 911 fire dept oops we are the fire department 😂😂 command make pumps 15 😂 jeez more public helping than firefighters
It musta been a everyone pitches in kinda situation ... At least your comment made me laugh .. Thanks brother :) Set condition SQ spin up water missiles 1-3 all attack :)
more than 2 minutes until water was flowing? And that's just what we see from the video - the Engine has arrived on scene before the video has started
Just barely before I arrived ...
@@FDNY8231 still took more than 2 minutes anyway. That's long, like really long
Definitely long. These guys need to use this video for training purposes.
😮😢 it just seems like it’s very unorganized and a chaotic scene. Nobody knows the job everybody’s running around. Ladder truck is in position did not deploy ladder until another lighter truck arrived. just don’t know your job or what you should be doing or training is needed
Join the Monday Morning quarterback crowd ... Oh that's right it IS Monday. :)
I've never understood why buildings were allowed to be so connected or so close....seems like one good fire would wipe everything out.
That's just how they were built back in the day. The fire loads on some of these old buildings is just incredible.
Why does a city??? (town) of under 7,000 need 5 fire bureaus? One truly professional company could do the job and it would probably be much cheaper.
Also, I've never seen rusty water come out of a fire truck before. I guess truck maintenance is on the same schedule as their fitness routine... NEVER.
they most likely did not purge the hydrant first. anytime i have seen when they first open a hydrant it comes out brown and rusty looking but clears up after a few sec. then they hook to it, I don't think that was from the tank as it appears the truck may not have onboard water.
The engine does have onboard water ... I have no clue if they started with that or hydrant water. I was watching the camera not the pump operator. I don't think they used tank water tho. The water company has just begun flushing operations so normally prior to that the water will come out crap brown.
All those firefighters did a nice job at putting out that winery fire sad that it burnt because that winery probably made wine a wrong way or a faulty air conditioning window system because that is what I could tell by the video it was
Каждый мнит себя стратегом, видя бой со стороны!
Для начала не было особого смысла туда заходить, поскольку там никого не было.
Use foam its faster better 😜
Can't disagree, but time and availability dictate what is/was used. On my rig we have it ready to go right off.
It would have no quicker impact and is not really for use on this type of fire.
@@andyoxleyonhistravelswest coast fire departments use it on all fires. compressed air foam systems. that fire will go out fast.
not great environmentally , and is expensive .
Foam causes cancer. More departments are against using it unless it’s a Hazmat Fire.
Any idea who the manufacturer of that first-in engine company was? I haven't seen one with a flat nose like that in a long time!
This is a KME engine ...
@@FDNY8231 Thanks, it certainly doesn't look like any KME I've ever seen!
@@Msradell It's their Renegade Chassis, and the city has two of them. The other is shorter than this one.
@@FDNY8231 How old is it? I'm guessing it's quite old, it looks like some of the ones that were around in the 70s and 80s.
@@Msradell I believe it's a 1997 ...
Seems like the whole town is burning down
Lotta old buildings ...
Volunteer fire department??
Yup
Yes ...
It was pretty obvious from the get-go.
Haaa I've seen BIG city depts mess up and delay a water source and push to 4 or 5 Alarms ... It's not obvious ...
So the rig should have been taken out of service. That's like pulling up to a fire, and u have no handlines on ur rig.
Taken out of service for no deck gun? You can't be serious.
@FDNY8231 u can't be serious... it was needed at a fire and it was not available.. so if it was out of service then the reserve would have been in its place and I'm thinking it would have had a deck gun available at the time it was needed.. how can u not see the importance of having emergence fire equipment that is 100 percent ready 24-7 anytime that alarm sounds.. I find it disturbing that u don't take this seriously. This could have been a matter of life and death all because an engine was in service that was not fully operational..
There is another video out there from the beginning where the ladder truck showed up first due, which carries no pump or tank. Then they basically sit around and waited for the engine to show up a couple minutes later
@@terrenceanderson7966 There are NO reserve engines as this is a Volunteer Fire Co. and to take an engine out of service for no deck gun is completely insane. They have a working pump, handlines, blitzforce nozzle (could've charged sooner), but there's no reason to take an engine out of service for that. Heck if another company had a spare deck gun they might have lent it but I guess they didn't. A deck gun is not an absolute imperative piece of equipment.
These videos always make me grateful I do not live in the US. It is so ridiculous to see how long they need to get water on the fire....
If you DID live in the US maybe you'd come show us how it's done. We are always looking for volunteers.
@@FDNY8231 Why not look up video's on you tube from Dutch fire stations like fire 24/7 and brandweer lunteren.
Какая зарплата у пожарных в Америке?
Это варьируется от штата к штату и муниципалитетам.
@@FDNY8231 спасибо 👍
Not even close to 4K resolution. Nice video anyway.
For some odd reason the video is still processing. It won't be 4K till it completes processing .... Nothing I could do about that. 32GB upload so I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I shot it and uploaded it in 4K.
Why they not using the deck gun until the landlines are ready
I thought the same thing but was also thinking they wanted to blast a stream in that first floor door with an upwards angle. I am from the Detroit area - for all the bad comments on Detroit Fire they love to "dump the monitor (deck gun)" and it is effective but maybe for this job it wouldn't have been or its not part of this area's culture. Just a buff not a FF so what do I know.
Because the KME engine doesn’t have a deck gun fitted, kinda hard to use one when you don’t have one….
@Jimmythefish577 so a fire department uses an engine that doesn't have a deck gun equipped with it.. someone, please make that make sense. Why get buy a fire engine without a deck gun..
The deck gun would have knocked this down but the one thing they lack is a flexible Line of Sight on all the burning material. It would also be overkill for this one. This fire had easy access, in a confined location with great ventilation. A booster line set with a tight cone sweeping the lower level of the space would have coated most of the burning material and the fog and steam created would cycle up and out while coating everything else.
@@terrenceanderson7966 Right? That makes no sense at all. An engine should be the Multi Tool of all departments.
Paid or Volunteer?
Volly I believe
All Volunteer
have you watched the video ? its pretty clear LOL
@@robertwiggler4193 Yep
What difference does it make?