i used sony camcorder when i worked at a local tv station in my city, for news gathering. i really cant imagine using anything else for the purpose... when you need something fast and easy to use for quick shots and interviews on the road, nothing comes close... big production cameras are just to heavy and robust, and using smaller "photography" cameras is just out of the option because you would have to rig them like crazy and it would still not be as functional... camcorders are amazing at what they do and i still miss working with it!
ive been using camcorders since forever and will continue use them. ive done hundreds of weddings on other events using camcorders. they are simply made to just get the job done right the first time.
I have used camcorders a lot. They are so convenient and easy to use. Yes, I have used digital cameras too for video. When I want fast and easy production, then the camcorder is the way to go. Camcorders are work horses. Not everything has to be the most artistic production ever, capable of Sundance. You just want good and fast.
Each barrel of honey should have its own fly in the ointment. *The vaunted autofocus Canon only works with the outdated B.709 color space.* For modern HDR/B.2020 or C.Gamut, both autofocus and focus assistance is not supported (see the manual). In all your focus demonstrations, you use only B.709. Show how it will focus in B.2020 or Log 3/C.Gamut. As a result, you need to choose whether to shoot for old devices, but with a sharp, focused picture, or shoot for modern HDR monitors and TVs, but without focus. Thank you Canon.
Because you need one? Seriously - all cameramen in the TV channel I was working before use camcorders only for work. It's super convenient to have a great focal range with smooth consistent zoom and parfocal lens, to have great battery life and no record limits, to have build-in nd filters, to have xlr mic jacks, etc, etc... all that in a pretty small, specifically designed package, with all additional aids for monitoring picture and audio quality. If there was no need for camcorders, companies wouldn't make them ;)
First let me say, your reviews may perhaps be the very best of all. And there are several others who produce some very good reviews, but the conciseness in your reviews are second to none, in my humble opinion. Now, on with this new offering from Canon. This is arguably the very best 4K Camcorder available! While 5 Grand is a bit steep, its feature set is one as you said that is in effect...COMPLETE!! There really is no other cost you'll have to incur using the Canon XF605, and the image quality is very very good. Yes, when side by side comparisons against the C70 are presented, the difference is several aspects is noticeable. But here is the thing....I use the fantastically versatile JVC GY-LS300, which is a 4K, Super35 Camcorder with an MFT Mount...I don't think you've ever reviewed it as it remains one of the finest Cameras that went well under anyones radar, because it was, or even more accurate was NOT a Sony, RED, Canon, Panasonic camera when it was released in 2015. While it captures in 8bit, it does capture in a LOG profile producing some fantastic images that virtually no one can tell its 8bit because of its "Film-like" quality in the images it produces. With the ability to mount more lenses than any other camera I've ever shot with, having a MFT Mount using adapters....like the XF605, it is a Camcorder Style camera with built in ND Filters and easily accessible buttons for just about everything, with included dual full-size XLR ports. I simply do not like...AT ALL, the form factor of the C70. In fact, I am hopping that this new offering form Canon will prove so successful, that it sparks a 'reversal" of sorts to moving away from the DSLR type Video Cameras. In fact, I too would love to see this camera become the catalyst for a new Super35 Sensor Camera with an interchangeable lens mount, or even a Micro Four Thirds Sensor. I have shot extensively with the C300ii, and always felt uncomfortable with its form factor...its just a CLUNK of a Camera. The JVC GY-LS300 is no longer produced, but to this day, those who shoot with it...LOVE IT, because of its Form Factor and its Image Quality. Matthew Allard did a wonderful piece shot with the LS300, and as others, loved its functionality. Canon's LCD screen implementation here looks to be fantastic and very solid in its operation. I have two of the JVC's, and was on a shoot with them yesterday...but if I was looking to replace them, or was choosing a Camera today, even with its "One Inch" sensor....the Canon XF605 would be my choice!!! Again, fantastic review!!!
Okay guys... you just merged my 2 passions in one video! :D I'm a full time videomaker, and in love with kitesurfing. Great video once again. Keep it comming! :)
That's what keeps me on the fence. Maybe not Arri level as that might be a bit much to ask for, but at least C70 with interchangeable lens type of image quality. I guess to get close to that we might have to think about Sony FX series stuff. But still, this video has shown the convenience of a camcorder. It almost feels like these companies are purposely NOT making a reasonably priced camcorder with photo image tech. Are the trade offs in this video actually trade offs? or are they done purposely as to not cannibalize the lines? Legit asking since I'm not a pro film maker.
@@daltonrandall4348 I like the interface on the side camcorders too. Plus the XLRs are a huge thing for me. Cinema cameras are probably a better choice. It looks like owning a few cameras may be the only option for flexibility as per what you've mentioned. Well, guess I'll have to buy more gear!
@@daltonrandall4348 But if you knew what you were doing chances are your film will look better than any digital. Film is still better. Give me an Arri film camera any day.
@@daltonrandall4348 The Bolex's are pretty awesome with the super 16 conversion. I have an old Kodak 16mm movie camera but the lens may not be the best. Still the colors would be up there in quality.
They're not under rated.....just that most ppl do not shoot live event, sports and conference professionally and think that every shot must have shallow DOF.
@@shem44 those who shoot with a photo camera simply did not try video cameras, video cameras are much better and more convenient, and everything there can be filmed with a shallow depth of field
@@daniellove162 just like that, I shot a wedding video with camcorders such as 605 canon, only much lower level, as with many mirrorless cameras and even movie cameras such as Black Magic. It is video cameras that are out of competition, and it's not just easier to shoot, but the video looks more interesting to the viewer, there are much more beautiful moments and frames. Shooting with mirrorless cameras looks dull and primitive.
Thanks for this review. I have been using the XF605 for only one month and I enjoy its possibilities and its user interface. This is the first time I've shot in 10-bit and I still have a lot to learn about handling this format with Adobe Première. Just a critic at the level of the shutter. Difficult and long to use on the field. 25 years ago I used an analog soviet camcorder with a ring to adjust the shutter and that was great. After two months of use, I'm very disappointed with the XF-605. The AF is random, and the image stabilization doesn't work. I regret having bought the XF605 and have sold it. I wouldn't recommend this camera to anybody.
Looks like a nice camera. I use the XF405 and love the picture quality. I don’t really see the Hugh difference between the two for my uses. That is mostly interviews. The only drawback I have is lack of depth of field. However it does everything else great. My next step will be the C70 so I can use my current canon lenses. Great video, thanks
same here, Xf405 user. i was thinking between R6 or C70.. and now with the XF605, i'm thinking i should just go and get this. saves a lot of bag space!
I really want to know what is going on with the high sensitivity mode. Is it just a gimmick for quickly changing the gain settings, or is it a change in the noise reduction processing, or is it actually a new base iso?
Every time a new camcorder comes out, we start over with the same song: "oh, what a small sensor", "oh my DSLR has more dynamic range", "Oh, why a camcorder in 2021? Well, maybe because 99% of what you see on television is still using a 2/3 " camcorder (or studio camera) that is worth about 30 of your beloved DSLRs or mirrorless. if you do not know what it is used at a professional TV production is not our problem. And yes, you won't get the shallow DoF eithe ...
the dynamic range is just greater in such cameras than in any dslr and mirrorless cameras where it is simply terrible and more or less normal only artificial in log where amplification is simply applied to highlight shadows
That explains why 99% of what you see on television looks like bollocks. And what doesn't look like bollocks is shot on Canon and Sony cinema cameras with Super35 sensors, up to Arri Alexa and Amira.
@@raksh9 This camera shoots no worse than Canon super35mm, only it is much more versatile and more convenient, it can simply take more interesting shots and scenes, it is much better and more interesting than all super35 and FullFrame cameras
@@raksh9 what's on TV looks 10x better than all the cinema wanna be's with their full frame cameras. Canon is only present in the broadcast industry through their B4 lenses. You won't see any canon body on a studio.
What color profile were you using at 12:38 and 13:57? Any color grading in post on these shots? These two shots sold me on the cameras potential. Thanks Jake!
Literally bought a used XF300 a couple months back and am really loving shooting with it, the quality to my eye is excellent. It's good to know that Canon have bought out a Camcorder in the XF605, that I might one day be able to afford to upgrade to. The XF705 for me is waaaay waaaay waaaaay too expensive to even look in the direction of. Question: Will there be a cheaper Canon XF600 version without all the BNC connectors like the XF300? Some of us ENG and run-and-gun shooters don't need all that stuff. 🤔
Yes, there is now the XA70/75 cameras. The 605 is a great update to the XF300 which I also owned (and still love). But the 605 is cleaner in lower light and has so many updated user friendly features like SD card, awesome AF, dual SD recording, the list goes on and on. BUT, I still use my XF305 in multi cam shoots where the output is 1080 25p.
I own and shoot on the URSA 12K and Pocket 6K Pro. I still find these so incredible! Looking at picking one up in the next few weeks. Keen to see what NAB introduces in this space. But definitely keen on picking up a Pro Camcorder again. Awesome tools!
I would use the XF605 to film freight trains in 4k for my youtube channel. Trains usually travel at high speeds, so follow focus is essential. I film from sunrise to sundown, so low-light capability is a must. Is the XF605 for me?
these 1/3" to 1" camcorders are still wonderful when filming a documentary in underdeveloped countries. an integrated camera system like them can be useful and more safe in harsh wildland, while extreme weather, and from theft. Also only few lightweight accessories needed to stabilize it more. for example, with a monopod and proper knowhow about steadicam, an operator can use them like a pseudo-steadicam. with arri or red this trick certainly will not work
I have the xf305 and 105 cameras for house of worship live stream. They are decent but the 605 looks like a great step up.. I think the c70 is better for creative uses, but the xf series is a really nice form factor for run and gun a large zoom range.
I too own a XF300 and a XF100 and they have been great for live events and some concerts. I wish they were a bit better in low light etc but great cameras...of course that for corporate videos I have used a C100 mk2 with good lenses and a Canon 90D for b roll but those are more creative uses...run and gun is harder with DSLRs etc...the XF400 looked ok but lacked many controls...the XF705 was too much money....this 605 looks promising...I real upgrade from the XF300 and it looks to share its dna! I hope to see some hands on indepth reviews soon...
@@TheFandangovideoguy Great explanation. They do struggle in low light and pushing the gain up past 6db is basically unusable for me. Another odd problem I have with the 300 and 305 is they will only connect to my blackmagic switchers in 60i. won't work in 24 or 30p. Id rather get a c100 0r c200 with servo lenses, but the budget just isn't there haha. And you're right, the 605 looks promising at this price point.
Thanks for the review. Been looking at the XF605 for a while. For a lot of things, camcorders make sense and I've been using them for a couple decades. May end up getting some Panasonic HC-X2 to either suppliment or replace my HC-X1 / UX180 cams since It will be costly to move to Canon whereas I already have Panasonic batteries etc.. I love Canon color science
You can't beat a decent camcorder for any occasion. I've used various DSLRs for video which have a great choice of lenses and large sensors able to ruse v-log, HLG etc but they are uncomfortable to hold for long periods of time, lack power zoom, built in ND filters, limited zoom range etc, the settings have to be accessed via the screen
Great intro! You absolutely have to have an LCD shade. That monitor is tiny! In log and sun, you won't be able to read it. eBay JJC-S35 is perfect for the 605.
Great video. Do you have any suggestions for reducing the rolling shutter? I shoot a lot of live events and performances so reducing the rolling shutter that comes from overhead lights (like fluorescents and LEDs) and projections it's really important -- thanks in advance :)
@@raampen hmm so I have heard that doubling up the footage and putting the top layer one frame ahead or behind the bottom layer might help (but doesn't work well for dialogue scenes)...been a while since I tried it too. Rolling shutter caused from lights can often be reduced by knowing the Hz of the bulbs and calculating your shutter speed around that too. There are some helpful tutorials on TH-cam :)
Greetings Friend, could you make a comparison between "Canon EOS R5 C" vs "Canon XF605 UHD 4K HDR Pro Camcorder", what do you think of the price of the Canon XF605 UHD 4K HDR Pro Camcorder, is it worth it? because the Canon EOS R5 C, has better features for the same value...
Amazing value! I got rid of the xf705 because of the HVEC. I wish they kept their dual-side monitor but I guess there has to be some reason to buy the 705. What is the actual “street date” though? (Canon only mentioned “mid-October” in their initial press release but camera shops are indicating November). Any word?
Thanks for all tthe great information - only the rolling shutter and your mention of gain getting immediately noisy sound troubling. Can you share any more insight re: the gain & noise side of things please?
The media for this camera isn't that cheap if you want to shoot in XF-AVC. You need to choose H.265 or compressed options for most of situations that you''d choose this type camera.
Just seeing this so forgive me… I notice that with the sample images they have a considerable amount of greenish blueish tint to it. I assume these are images right out of the box, auto white balance on. By comparison the Sony z90 has a much better auto balance. This limits post adjustments. How do you feel about it today? Would you still recommend it today?
The XF605 is IMHO finally the proper successor of XHG1 (and XHA1) camera twins! After Canon 5Dii changed the budget filming and started DSLR-mania for budget video, quickly following Panasonic and than Sony, pro-sumer camcorders suddenly being neglected. Canon did put out the successor XF300/XF305 pair, but I've seen price cutting measures as market was shrinking with those models. While before Canon offered both larger XLH1 camera with interchangeable lenses and compact twin XHA1/XHG1 (the "G" version had pro connectivity), the XF300 replaced both in one. Even the "broken/slanted" design suggested so. I saw XF300 too bulky and too expensive for being true XHA1 replacement, despite having better lens (with less zoom!) and better 4:2:2 codec that was BBC approved. Also I missed that pro connectivity from XHG1 and XF305 was even more "too expensive". While my higher level production friends missed lens interchange with it. It seemed XF300/305 made no one happy. People chattered around upgrading to whatever (even later Canon C100 and other brands. Than Canon released "one ring" XF100/XF105 that were old XM2 replacement and that was it. For next six (6) years no new model. They only kept "XA" line alive, that replaced previous "HV" line. In 2014 Canon released a "two ring" XF200/XF205, which gave hopes, but one ring missing and camera too small. Not a XA, not a XF ... than they released XF400/XF405 in 2017, again same small form factor. I lost hopes to ever get modern replace for camera as was my beloved XHA1 form factor - perfectly balanced and handling with proper three rings for manual operation and not too bulky. I hide camera under rain coat when filming in wild and torrential rain started. F**ck me, camera was saved and seconds after it showered last drops I was filming again, where others were only crawling out from shelters. I thought form factor is dead and than Canon kicked out the XF705 in 2018! The XF305 replacement! Not only that, Canon decided to ditched the "00" skimmed version and just give out the "05" version with all the connectivity. So format is alive at least. And FFWD to 2021, they put out the mighty XF605! It is the most resembling XHA1/G1 even by the price! Finally a perfect all rounder again. Is it perfect at IQ? No, as XHA1 was not, but it is perfect at versatility. Thank you for such a great representation for all those "hybrid shooters" that think they held God for his beard with those awkward still cameras that can shoot video. I see it as taking stills with iPad or even better comparison: To take stills with XHA1/G1 that had that option, even dedicated SD card and no-nonsense features, including flash hot-shoe option!
I was hoping for DGO to compensate for Canon sensor limitations but this is not and Like most things Canon, Dynamic Range is ssub par. Also, it’s a shame this still suffers from bad rolling shutter even with a tiny sensor.
Yeah i think camcorder still got their fair share of market. We used 2 sony MC88 for almost all video coverage in church activities. And usually me and my friend gonna use our own mirrorless to complement the footages.
Thank you for this review. I am keen to see more of the IS quality of this camcorder. Did you try the 'walking test'? Do you have any more input on the IS quality of this camera? The AX 53 BOSS works really well, but the image quality is better on the XF605. Is the IS on the FX605 as good as the BOSS on the AX53, or on the GoPro9 (all in 4K 30 fps at least of course)? Thanks, Paul
Looks so great, and the price is a little lower than I thought it'd be (I was thinking $5-6K). I've had an XF405 for a while now and while it's far from perfect and isn't as sexy as large-sensor cams, it is still very useful and puts out a nice picture, even more so with the recent addition of CLog3. It's super useful for interview setups because it records 4 tracks of audio. I do wish the 605 was a little smaller, closer to the 405 than the 705. And I reallllly wish they kept doing the rotating side grip the XF205 has.
And the Image stabilisation on the xf205 worked better on a tripod. No slight lag when going from a static shot to a pan like with 605/705. But overall it's a wonderful camcorder with a slight cinema look
I'm amazed at how much shoulder-mount camcorders have disappeared from the market. Even if you were to add a shoulder rig to the XF605, the viewfinder placement doesn’t work. At least give people the option by placing the viewfinder on the side of the camera instead of at the back. I know shoulder-mount camcorders still exist, but you almost never hear about them. Shoulder mounting keeps a camera steady!
Last time I used a camcorder was back in 2012 when everyone was in LOVE with the dslr full frame look and companies like Letus and Redrock Micro had “cinema adapters”! I had the M3 from Redrock Micro and used it with the canon XH A1s and that thing looked like a rocket launcher! But was really fun to shoot with.
I’m roughly in the same boat. I had twin Panasonic HMC150’s for weddings and man were those things absolute workhorses. Then I got a GH1 for the artistic shots. I kinda miss these prosumer camcorders.
Thanks for the review. I do regular TH-cam vids and look more and more into camcorders. I did start with DSLR´s and shoot currently on a Canon 90D. This is OK but i think, especically for Events and Interviews and as well smaller presentations and Exhibitions this could be a great alternative. Low light could be sometimes and issue but normally I am also equiped with good lighting. will look a bit more into this one.
does this leave any advantage whatsoever to the xf705? I can't see a single reason why you'd spend so much more on it, unless they plan to upgrade the firmware to allow for H.264 recording. have they decapitated their flagship with this?
I'm wondering, if the XF605, like it's smaller Legria/Vixia equivalents, is locked fps wise to the region, it is bought in. The issue I'm having with Canon camcorders, is that a Legria only offers 25 and 50fps, while a Vixia offers 24, 30 and 60 fps and can't be switched.
My issue is that I can never tell the visual difference between a camcorder vs a camera in video. But I could always see the diffrance between still images. Given they're not being heavily edited first. Really feel like the value of camcorders are only at the $1000+ range. Since I haven't seen any camcorders for less then that, that can also outperform a camera in that price bracket. And having really good phits is really important. More so then video if you ask me.
If you're shooting in manual exposure and zoom in, will the image darken, or does the iso/gain compensate for the variable aperture? Never shot with a pro camcorder, but seems like it could be a real problem if you zoom during a take.
Very useful video, thanks for sharing. As a photographer I understand exposure, depth of field, composition etc. I love video, but when it comes to all the codecs, file types and resolutions etc, I have a lot to learn! I desperately want something better than a camcorder on auto, DSLRs and Mirrorless have restricted running times due to overheating when recording video, so the XF605 is on my radar. My question is, where do I learn all the 'tech stuff' involved with shooting video in manual mode. I recently had to shoot a dance show that lasted nearly two hours, so aside from B-roll a DSLR was out, so I hired a Sony video camera. It did the job OK but was only HD. Any advice on good resources to learn the 'tech' stuff? Thanks in anticipation.
I’ve been shooting with a mirrorless slr… I want to make narrative films and do client work on the side… I’m sure I can make this camera work for creative stuff but I’m not sure if I should sell my kit right now and go for this…!?
Please advise if the Push AF/MF button toggles between AF and MF or if it is a PUSH AF button that engages AF only while the button is kept pressed. and reverts to MF as soon as it is released. Tnks
Personally, I think you can use any camera to shoot things and landscapes. I shoot a lot of sitdown interviews and broll on a tripod. I would love to see comparisons of both cameras in an interview situation, even though I have an idea how it would go...:o)
Yes, the camera supports 4 channels, in different configurations. So that setup would be channel 1 for your XLR, and channels 3&4 with the 3.5mm input.
Let us know what you think of the Canon XF605 below as well as any other questions you may have, thanks for watching! Jake
Looks much more efficient and cheaper (in the long run) than the C70. Boom! Looks like I found my next camera! Thanks!
Do you have one we can try out?
i used sony camcorder when i worked at a local tv station in my city, for news gathering.
i really cant imagine using anything else for the purpose... when you need something fast and easy to use for quick shots and interviews on the road, nothing comes close... big production cameras are just to heavy and robust, and using smaller "photography" cameras is just out of the option because you would have to rig them like crazy and it would still not be as functional...
camcorders are amazing at what they do and i still miss working with it!
Sean, we don't have our demo units just yet, please email demo@cvp.com if you would like to book a demo for when the camera comes in! Jake
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ive been using camcorders since forever and will continue use them. ive done hundreds of weddings on other events using camcorders. they are simply made to just get the job done right the first time.
Agreed!
I have used camcorders a lot. They are so convenient and easy to use. Yes, I have used digital cameras too for video. When I want fast and easy production, then the camcorder is the way to go. Camcorders are work horses. Not everything has to be the most artistic production ever, capable of Sundance. You just want good and fast.
Well exposed and in focus is what we tell our new guys at my work. Anything beyond that is a bonus for newgathering.
True. I just picked up another one-The Canon G70. Not the best camera, but it may work out.
Each barrel of honey should have its own fly in the ointment. *The vaunted autofocus Canon only works with the outdated B.709 color space.* For modern HDR/B.2020 or C.Gamut, both autofocus and focus assistance is not supported (see the manual). In all your focus demonstrations, you use only B.709. Show how it will focus in B.2020 or Log 3/C.Gamut. As a result, you need to choose whether to shoot for old devices, but with a sharp, focused picture, or shoot for modern HDR monitors and TVs, but without focus. Thank you Canon.
Because you need one? Seriously - all cameramen in the TV channel I was working before use camcorders only for work. It's super convenient to have a great focal range with smooth consistent zoom and parfocal lens, to have great battery life and no record limits, to have build-in nd filters, to have xlr mic jacks, etc, etc... all that in a pretty small, specifically designed package, with all additional aids for monitoring picture and audio quality. If there was no need for camcorders, companies wouldn't make them ;)
Also you need the SDI and genlock to hook up to the truck or LiveView.
The only video mentioning deficiencies of EVF and rolling shutter. Thank U.
First let me say, your reviews may perhaps be the very best of all. And there are several others who produce some very good reviews, but the conciseness in your reviews are second to none, in my humble opinion. Now, on with this new offering from Canon. This is arguably the very best 4K Camcorder available! While 5 Grand is a bit steep, its feature set is one as you said that is in effect...COMPLETE!! There really is no other cost you'll have to incur using the Canon XF605, and the image quality is very very good. Yes, when side by side comparisons against the C70 are presented, the difference is several aspects is noticeable. But here is the thing....I use the fantastically versatile JVC GY-LS300, which is a 4K, Super35 Camcorder with an MFT Mount...I don't think you've ever reviewed it as it remains one of the finest Cameras that went well under anyones radar, because it was, or even more accurate was NOT a Sony, RED, Canon, Panasonic camera when it was released in 2015. While it captures in 8bit, it does capture in a LOG profile producing some fantastic images that virtually no one can tell its 8bit because of its "Film-like" quality in the images it produces. With the ability to mount more lenses than any other camera I've ever shot with, having a MFT Mount using adapters....like the XF605, it is a Camcorder Style camera with built in ND Filters and easily accessible buttons for just about everything, with included dual full-size XLR ports. I simply do not like...AT ALL, the form factor of the C70. In fact, I am hopping that this new offering form Canon will prove so successful, that it sparks a 'reversal" of sorts to moving away from the DSLR type Video Cameras. In fact, I too would love to see this camera become the catalyst for a new Super35 Sensor Camera with an interchangeable lens mount, or even a Micro Four Thirds Sensor. I have shot extensively with the C300ii, and always felt uncomfortable with its form factor...its just a CLUNK of a Camera. The JVC GY-LS300 is no longer produced, but to this day, those who shoot with it...LOVE IT, because of its Form Factor and its Image Quality. Matthew Allard did a wonderful piece shot with the LS300, and as others, loved its functionality. Canon's LCD screen implementation here looks to be fantastic and very solid in its operation. I have two of the JVC's, and was on a shoot with them yesterday...but if I was looking to replace them, or was choosing a Camera today, even with its "One Inch" sensor....the Canon XF605 would be my choice!!! Again, fantastic review!!!
@@frankfarago2825 not sure what your point really is but....ok!
Okay guys... you just merged my 2 passions in one video! :D I'm a full time videomaker, and in love with kitesurfing. Great video once again. Keep it comming! :)
I dream of a camcorder with Arri-level image quality and DR.
That's what keeps me on the fence. Maybe not Arri level as that might be a bit much to ask for, but at least C70 with interchangeable lens type of image quality. I guess to get close to that we might have to think about Sony FX series stuff. But still, this video has shown the convenience of a camcorder. It almost feels like these companies are purposely NOT making a reasonably priced camcorder with photo image tech. Are the trade offs in this video actually trade offs? or are they done purposely as to not cannibalize the lines? Legit asking since I'm not a pro film maker.
@@daltonrandall4348 I like the interface on the side camcorders too. Plus the XLRs are a huge thing for me. Cinema cameras are probably a better choice. It looks like owning a few cameras may be the only option for flexibility as per what you've mentioned. Well, guess I'll have to buy more gear!
FILM......
@@daltonrandall4348 But if you knew what you were doing chances are your film will look better than any digital. Film is still better. Give me an Arri film camera any day.
@@daltonrandall4348 The Bolex's are pretty awesome with the super 16 conversion. I have an old Kodak 16mm movie camera but the lens may not be the best. Still the colors would be up there in quality.
Why buy a dedicated video camera? Because they work better than stills cameras being forced to do double duty.
I moved to DSLR style body for the full frame sensor, but man do I ever miss the camcorder body style.
Aside from additional buttons, you could achieve something similar with a shoulder rig like SmallRig 2896B
photo cameras are too limited in terms of ergonomics and shooting
@@csamd9049 Canon camcorder ergonomics were industry leading at one point, from the looks of this camcorder it appears they are still in the game.
@@Iplayitofflegit Yep!!
Camcorders are seriously underrated
They're not under rated.....just that most ppl do not shoot live event, sports and conference professionally and think that every shot must have shallow DOF.
@@shem44 those who shoot with a photo camera simply did not try video cameras, video cameras are much better and more convenient, and everything there can be filmed with a shallow depth of field
I bet, if you shot a wedding with one of these you would capture more MOMENTS. Human moments will always be more effective than EPIC shot compositing.
@@daniellove162 just like that, I shot a wedding video with camcorders such as 605 canon, only much lower level, as with many mirrorless cameras and even movie cameras such as Black Magic. It is video cameras that are out of competition, and it's not just easier to shoot, but the video looks more interesting to the viewer, there are much more beautiful moments and frames. Shooting with mirrorless cameras looks dull and primitive.
Thanks for this review.
I have been using the XF605 for only one month and I enjoy its possibilities and its user interface. This is the first time I've shot in 10-bit and I still have a lot to learn about handling this format with Adobe Première. Just a critic at the level of the shutter. Difficult and long to use on the field. 25 years ago I used an analog soviet camcorder with a ring to adjust the shutter and that was great.
After two months of use, I'm very disappointed with the XF-605. The AF is random, and the image stabilization doesn't work.
I regret having bought the XF605 and have sold it. I wouldn't recommend this camera to anybody.
Looks like a nice camera. I use the XF405 and love the picture quality. I don’t really see the Hugh difference between the two for my uses. That is mostly interviews. The only drawback I have is lack of depth of field. However it does everything else great. My next step will be the C70 so I can use my current canon lenses.
Great video, thanks
same here, Xf405 user. i was thinking between R6 or C70.. and now with the XF605, i'm thinking i should just go and get this. saves a lot of bag space!
Awesome review, thanks and a great price. I currently use an XF200 but would love to upgrade to this.
That was very enjoyable to watch. Thanks CVP for providing these videos for free!!
I really want to know what is going on with the high sensitivity mode. Is it just a gimmick for quickly changing the gain settings, or is it a change in the noise reduction processing, or is it actually a new base iso?
Every time a new camcorder comes out, we start over with the same song: "oh, what a small sensor", "oh my DSLR has more dynamic range", "Oh, why a camcorder in 2021? Well, maybe because 99% of what you see on television is still using a 2/3 " camcorder (or studio camera) that is worth about 30 of your beloved DSLRs or mirrorless. if you do not know what it is used at a professional TV production is not our problem. And yes, you won't get the shallow DoF eithe ...
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the dynamic range is just greater in such cameras than in any dslr and mirrorless cameras where it is simply terrible and more or less normal only artificial in log where amplification is simply applied to highlight shadows
That explains why 99% of what you see on television looks like bollocks. And what doesn't look like bollocks is shot on Canon and Sony cinema cameras with Super35 sensors, up to Arri Alexa and Amira.
@@raksh9 This camera shoots no worse than Canon super35mm, only it is much more versatile and more convenient, it can simply take more interesting shots and scenes, it is much better and more interesting than all super35 and FullFrame cameras
@@raksh9 what's on TV looks 10x better than all the cinema wanna be's with their full frame cameras. Canon is only present in the broadcast industry through their B4 lenses. You won't see any canon body on a studio.
What color profile were you using at 12:38 and 13:57? Any color grading in post on these shots? These two shots sold me on the cameras potential. Thanks Jake!
can you put a fisheye on this camera? will the xlr hub be seen in the shot with a fisheye?
Literally bought a used XF300 a couple months back and am really loving shooting with it, the quality to my eye is excellent. It's good to know that Canon have bought out a Camcorder in the XF605, that I might one day be able to afford to upgrade to. The XF705 for me is waaaay waaaay waaaaay too expensive to even look in the direction of. Question: Will there be a cheaper Canon XF600 version without all the BNC connectors like the XF300? Some of us ENG and run-and-gun shooters don't need all that stuff. 🤔
Yes, there is now the XA70/75 cameras. The 605 is a great update to the XF300 which I also owned (and still love). But the 605 is cleaner in lower light and has so many updated user friendly features like SD card, awesome AF, dual SD recording, the list goes on and on. BUT, I still use my XF305 in multi cam shoots where the output is 1080 25p.
I still use my xf305 on a weekly basis. It is an absolute workhorse. Hopefully will be upgrading to this soon.
I don't know why other people bashing this camcorder, it does look pretty solid and good to me.
Who is bashing it and with what rhetoric?
I own and shoot on the URSA 12K and Pocket 6K Pro. I still find these so incredible! Looking at picking one up in the next few weeks. Keen to see what NAB introduces in this space. But definitely keen on picking up a Pro Camcorder again. Awesome tools!
I would use the XF605 to film freight trains in 4k for my youtube channel. Trains usually travel at high speeds, so follow focus is essential. I film from sunrise to sundown, so low-light capability is a must. Is the XF605 for me?
of course
Fantastic camera 🎥
This looks beautiful and fun to work with!
If you're gonna buy one, might as well buy two to take advantage of the timecode in/out. Such a good feature on a camcorder to go to waste.
What a great review, thank you 🙏🏻
Honestly I am extremely impressed with the image. I have always hated camcorders but this has made me reconsider
camcorders are ideal for video and they always have been, and fireworks are also more convenient and best for filming
these 1/3" to 1" camcorders are still wonderful when filming a documentary in underdeveloped countries. an integrated camera system like them can be useful and more safe in harsh wildland, while extreme weather, and from theft. Also only few lightweight accessories needed to stabilize it more. for example, with a monopod and proper knowhow about steadicam, an operator can use them like a pseudo-steadicam. with arri or red this trick certainly will not work
I have the xf305 and 105 cameras for house of worship live stream. They are decent but the 605 looks like a great step up.. I think the c70 is better for creative uses, but the xf series is a really nice form factor for run and gun a large zoom range.
I too own a XF300 and a XF100 and they have been great for live events and some concerts. I wish they were a bit better in low light etc but great cameras...of course that for corporate videos I have used a C100 mk2 with good lenses and a Canon 90D for b roll but those are more creative uses...run and gun is harder with DSLRs etc...the XF400 looked ok but lacked many controls...the XF705 was too much money....this 605 looks promising...I real upgrade from the XF300 and it looks to share its dna! I hope to see some hands on indepth reviews soon...
@@TheFandangovideoguy Great explanation. They do struggle in low light and pushing the gain up past 6db is basically unusable for me. Another odd problem I have with the 300 and 305 is they will only connect to my blackmagic switchers in 60i. won't work in 24 or 30p. Id rather get a c100 0r c200 with servo lenses, but the budget just isn't there haha. And you're right, the 605 looks promising at this price point.
Thanks for the review. Been looking at the XF605 for a while. For a lot of things, camcorders make sense and I've been using them for a couple decades. May end up getting some Panasonic HC-X2 to either suppliment or replace my HC-X1 / UX180 cams since It will be costly to move to Canon whereas I already have Panasonic batteries etc.. I love Canon color science
2:18 one wrong move and the camera is in the water. The XF605 looks great but would love to see how good it does in low light.
You can't beat a decent camcorder for any occasion. I've used various DSLRs for video which have a great choice of lenses and large sensors able to ruse v-log, HLG etc but they are uncomfortable to hold for long periods of time, lack power zoom, built in ND filters, limited zoom range etc, the settings have to be accessed via the screen
Great intro! You absolutely have to have an LCD shade. That monitor is tiny! In log and sun, you won't be able to read it. eBay JJC-S35 is perfect for the 605.
great video as always❤
Great Video! Any new canon camcorders in 2022?
Great video. Do you have any suggestions for reducing the rolling shutter? I shoot a lot of live events and performances so reducing the rolling shutter that comes from overhead lights (like fluorescents and LEDs) and projections it's really important -- thanks in advance :)
Hi! Did you get any solution or advice for this? I'm looking for a camcorder for sports events
@@raampen hmm so I have heard that doubling up the footage and putting the top layer one frame ahead or behind the bottom layer might help (but doesn't work well for dialogue scenes)...been a while since I tried it too. Rolling shutter caused from lights can often be reduced by knowing the Hz of the bulbs and calculating your shutter speed around that too. There are some helpful tutorials on TH-cam :)
@@raampen We shoot sport. Long days with AF always on. 1080 50p. The X30 advanced zoom is pretty good
Can we see the different between the XF605 and XF705?
A parfocal lens as standard is perhaps the biggest reason to buy a camcorder rather than a DSLR.
Yes, that is a great advantage.
Greetings Friend, could you make a comparison between "Canon EOS R5 C" vs "Canon XF605 UHD 4K HDR Pro Camcorder", what do you think of the price of the Canon XF605 UHD 4K HDR Pro Camcorder, is it worth it? because the Canon EOS R5 C, has better features for the same value...
I’m currently using the Canon XA50, do you think the XF605 is worth the upgrade?
Amazing value! I got rid of the xf705 because of the HVEC. I wish they kept their dual-side monitor but I guess there has to be some reason to buy the 705.
What is the actual “street date” though? (Canon only mentioned “mid-October” in their initial press release but camera shops are indicating November). Any word?
Kind of annoying when folks say "filmed" when digital cameras have nothing to do with film ! That said good review
Very comprehensive. I didn’t catch any review on the inbuilt sound recording? Is it any good?
Hi, do you think it's possible to use an anamorphic adaptor in this camera? Thanks for your time and congrats for the great work.
Thanks for all tthe great information - only the rolling shutter and your mention of gain getting immediately noisy sound troubling. Can you share any more insight re: the gain & noise side of things please?
The only thing I see missing is the electronic variable ND found on Sony FX line.
Sony Z280
@@csamd9049 True. FS line has it too.
The media for this camera isn't that cheap if you want to shoot in XF-AVC. You need to choose H.265 or compressed options for most of situations that you''d choose this type camera.
How does this stack up against the less expensive Panasonic HC-X1500E / HC-X2000E?
Dude, I just realized, have you lost a lot of weight? Looking at your old videos compared to now, you look awesome dude.
Just seeing this so forgive me…
I notice that with the sample images they have a considerable amount of greenish blueish tint to it. I assume these are images right out of the box, auto white balance on. By comparison the Sony z90 has a much better auto balance. This limits post adjustments.
How do you feel about it today? Would you still recommend it today?
Perfect camera for those who shoot documentary most of the time.
The XF605 is IMHO finally the proper successor of XHG1 (and XHA1) camera twins! After Canon 5Dii changed the budget filming and started DSLR-mania for budget video, quickly following Panasonic and than Sony, pro-sumer camcorders suddenly being neglected. Canon did put out the successor XF300/XF305 pair, but I've seen price cutting measures as market was shrinking with those models. While before Canon offered both larger XLH1 camera with interchangeable lenses and compact twin XHA1/XHG1 (the "G" version had pro connectivity), the XF300 replaced both in one. Even the "broken/slanted" design suggested so. I saw XF300 too bulky and too expensive for being true XHA1 replacement, despite having better lens (with less zoom!) and better 4:2:2 codec that was BBC approved. Also I missed that pro connectivity from XHG1 and XF305 was even more "too expensive". While my higher level production friends missed lens interchange with it. It seemed XF300/305 made no one happy. People chattered around upgrading to whatever (even later Canon C100 and other brands. Than Canon released "one ring" XF100/XF105 that were old XM2 replacement and that was it. For next six (6) years no new model. They only kept "XA" line alive, that replaced previous "HV" line.
In 2014 Canon released a "two ring" XF200/XF205, which gave hopes, but one ring missing and camera too small. Not a XA, not a XF ... than they released XF400/XF405 in 2017, again same small form factor. I lost hopes to ever get modern replace for camera as was my beloved XHA1 form factor - perfectly balanced and handling with proper three rings for manual operation and not too bulky. I hide camera under rain coat when filming in wild and torrential rain started. F**ck me, camera was saved and seconds after it showered last drops I was filming again, where others were only crawling out from shelters. I thought form factor is dead and than Canon kicked out the XF705 in 2018! The XF305 replacement! Not only that, Canon decided to ditched the "00" skimmed version and just give out the "05" version with all the connectivity. So format is alive at least. And FFWD to 2021, they put out the mighty XF605! It is the most resembling XHA1/G1 even by the price! Finally a perfect all rounder again. Is it perfect at IQ? No, as XHA1 was not, but it is perfect at versatility.
Thank you for such a great representation for all those "hybrid shooters" that think they held God for his beard with those awkward still cameras that can shoot video. I see it as taking stills with iPad or even better comparison: To take stills with XHA1/G1 that had that option, even dedicated SD card and no-nonsense features, including flash hot-shoe option!
I was hoping for DGO to compensate for Canon sensor limitations but this is not and Like most things Canon, Dynamic Range is ssub par. Also, it’s a shame this still suffers from bad rolling shutter even with a tiny sensor.
The colors are gorgeous. This camera is a monster
What color profile were you using at @ and @? Any color grading in post on these shots? These two shots sold me on the cameras potential.
Excellent review.
Ha! Until almost a couple of years ago, I was still using my Sony Ex-3 for pressers, plays, and riots. I would love to have another camcorder.
EX-3 Is my favorite camera of all time. it was so great.
Sony Z280 is a great option
What about using the Canon XF605 in independent film production?
Yeah i think camcorder still got their fair share of market. We used 2 sony MC88 for almost all video coverage in church activities. And usually me and my friend gonna use our own mirrorless to complement the footages.
Thank you for this review. I am keen to see more of the IS quality of this camcorder. Did you try the 'walking test'? Do you have any more input on the IS quality of this camera? The AX 53 BOSS works really well, but the image quality is better on the XF605. Is the IS on the FX605 as good as the BOSS on the AX53, or on the GoPro9 (all in 4K 30 fps at least of course)? Thanks, Paul
Hello, does anybody know, at what focal length the lens changes from f2.8 to f4.5, and in which steps?
As a casual windsurfer - damn, those are some high winds!
Looks so great, and the price is a little lower than I thought it'd be (I was thinking $5-6K). I've had an XF405 for a while now and while it's far from perfect and isn't as sexy as large-sensor cams, it is still very useful and puts out a nice picture, even more so with the recent addition of CLog3. It's super useful for interview setups because it records 4 tracks of audio.
I do wish the 605 was a little smaller, closer to the 405 than the 705. And I reallllly wish they kept doing the rotating side grip the XF205 has.
And the Image stabilisation on the xf205 worked better on a tripod. No slight lag when going from a static shot to a pan like with 605/705.
But overall it's a wonderful camcorder with a slight cinema look
@@DuffTV Huh??? Tripod-Stabilization?? You use IS when you don't have a tripod.
I'm amazed at how much shoulder-mount camcorders have disappeared from the market. Even if you were to add a shoulder rig to the XF605, the viewfinder placement doesn’t work. At least give people the option by placing the viewfinder on the side of the camera instead of at the back.
I know shoulder-mount camcorders still exist, but you almost never hear about them. Shoulder mounting keeps a camera steady!
Great video and explanation!
Me while watching in 144p: I don't see any difference, what's the fuss about
Last time I used a camcorder was back in 2012 when everyone was in LOVE with the dslr full frame look and companies like Letus and Redrock Micro had “cinema adapters”! I had the M3 from Redrock Micro and used it with the canon XH A1s and that thing looked like a rocket launcher! But was really fun to shoot with.
I’m roughly in the same boat. I had twin Panasonic HMC150’s for weddings and man were those things absolute workhorses. Then I got a GH1 for the artistic shots. I kinda miss these prosumer camcorders.
Oh man. Imagine a XC15 style camera with 1-inch DGO 4K sensor and a nice bright screen and internal ND. Canon please!
Nice review anyway, what type of shooting to use this camera?
eg.. News, broadcast, live or any other??
Yes 😅 - literally all of them
Hi Jake
How does this compare to the Sony nx3 for low light and picture quality please?
Thanks in advance
Simon
Great camera. Thank You for this video. Best regards, Kai the bee filmer ;)
Thanks for the review. I do regular TH-cam vids and look more and more into camcorders. I did start with DSLR´s and shoot currently on a Canon 90D. This is OK but i think, especically for Events and Interviews and as well smaller presentations and Exhibitions this could be a great alternative.
Low light could be sometimes and issue but normally I am also equiped with good lighting. will look a bit more into this one.
what about a relevant choice in 2024 - 2025 thinking of buying this for next year for our school so we can record sports.
12:43 De highlights on skin seems very different from the two sensors. I don't like it on the XF605.
On the frame with XF605, on the contrary, the image and color are better, and the brightness there is removed by adjusting the contrast
the XF605 image looks a little overexposed to me.....
@@brmoogma it can be easily removed in the settings
@@brmoogma That would explain...
does this leave any advantage whatsoever to the xf705? I can't see a single reason why you'd spend so much more on it, unless they plan to upgrade the firmware to allow for H.264 recording. have they decapitated their flagship with this?
Wondering the same thing. I always felt the XF705 was priced a bit steep at $7000, but at $4500 this is very compelling.
The LCD is smaller at 3.5 inch. I wonder if the VF is also smaller?
It’s already mentioned in several videos that the XF705 will most likely become EOL this year. So the XF605 is a perfect successor.
I'm wondering, if the XF605, like it's smaller Legria/Vixia equivalents, is locked fps wise to the region, it is bought in. The issue I'm having with Canon camcorders, is that a Legria only offers 25 and 50fps, while a Vixia offers 24, 30 and 60 fps and can't be switched.
do you think there will be a new model coming to replace this soon ?
My issue is that I can never tell the visual difference between a camcorder vs a camera in video. But I could always see the diffrance between still images. Given they're not being heavily edited first.
Really feel like the value of camcorders are only at the $1000+ range. Since I haven't seen any camcorders for less then that, that can also outperform a camera in that price bracket. And having really good phits is really important. More so then video if you ask me.
Will this be good for documentary?
I would like to know which camera would be good to start my own talk show in my house.i know I'm going to need two camera's
XF605 is already a global camera or there are PAL and NTSC versions?
Yes you can change the system frequency in the menu. You can see full formats here - www.canon.co.uk/video-cameras/xf605/specifications/
If you're shooting in manual exposure and zoom in, will the image darken, or does the iso/gain compensate for the variable aperture? Never shot with a pro camcorder, but seems like it could be a real problem if you zoom during a take.
Very useful video, thanks for sharing. As a photographer I understand exposure, depth of field, composition etc. I love video, but when it comes to all the codecs, file types and resolutions etc, I have a lot to learn! I desperately want something better than a camcorder on auto, DSLRs and Mirrorless have restricted running times due to overheating when recording video, so the XF605 is on my radar. My question is, where do I learn all the 'tech stuff' involved with shooting video in manual mode.
I recently had to shoot a dance show that lasted nearly two hours, so aside from B-roll a DSLR was out, so I hired a Sony video camera. It did the job OK but was only HD.
Any advice on good resources to learn the 'tech' stuff?
Thanks in anticipation.
The camera looks soft???
Hi, is this footage raw, i have a panasonic HC-X1 and footage is too grainy. I was wondering how grainy this one gets on low light
Thanks
I’ve been shooting with a mirrorless slr… I want to make narrative films and do client work on the side… I’m sure I can make this camera work for creative stuff but I’m not sure if I should sell my kit right now and go for this…!?
Please advise if the Push AF/MF button toggles between AF and MF or if it is a PUSH AF button that engages AF only while the button is kept pressed. and reverts to MF as soon as it is released. Tnks
Personally, I think you can use any camera to shoot things and landscapes. I shoot a lot of sitdown interviews and broll on a tripod. I would love to see comparisons of both cameras in an interview situation, even though I have an idea how it would go...:o)
Excuse me，Do you know when i use PP HLG, why does not have autofocus square point display ? thx....
when is the arri hi-5 review coming?
We are still waiting to get our hand unit in, as soon as we get it, production will start! Jake
@@CVPTV good luck on getting one soon😊
How long can you record on a full charge of the standard A30 battery, in 4k or 1080p?
Can you copy media files from SD card A to SD card B?
Does XLR audio have Limiter and Compressor?
Miuto show essa canom xf605 proficional com todos os programas des ponivel para os comamdo desa camara muito usada no brasil
1" sensor with 8 Mp seems okay?
It’s a ‘video’ camera, so yes, it’s more than good enough to do 4K video.
@@RamSarup I actually meant that low light should not be a big problem pixels are still big enough
13.4mp, but the sensitivity is pretty good.
Can you record audio from 1 XLR input PLUS the 2 channel 3.5mm input at the same time?
Yes, the camera supports 4 channels, in different configurations.
So that setup would be channel 1 for your XLR, and channels 3&4 with the 3.5mm input.
Is it compatible with a lanc remote like the varizoom?
Yes it has LANC for control. Jake
hi, nice video. question, if I don't want to color graded what's the best picture profile? thanks for the help
Thanks for watching! I would use WideDR! Jake