Hey, had a quick question. Had someone ask me if the owlbot color profile has less dynamic range than the c-log or wide dr profiles. I told them I didn’t see that much of a difference. Can you shed any light on this?
@@alexshotthese OWLCOLOR for the C100 is, at it's base, still Clog so the DR is the same. The black point has been dropped a bit so you might perceive that there's less info in the shadows (maybe "half a stop" or whatever) but based on tests that level in the image was just noise anyway so having it be cleaner took priority. Functionally the DR is identical.
I love my C100 M2. It's just a workhorse with small files that grade remarkably well. That said, the detail compared to 4K is clearly lacking and the 8 bit 4.2.0 codec has limitations, but the ability to shoot practically all day with 2 batteries and tiny files make it hard to dismiss this great camera. Solid for presentations and concerts. I'm not going to sell mine even when I upgrade to 4K - just such a dependable camera with really useful image quality even in 2022. FYI I shoot Wide DR all the time now.
I'm a photographer, not a true videographer, but purchased a C100 Mark II for wedding clients that want video. Before purchasing, I'd hardly ever engaged video mode on any of my too many to count DSLRs. I was amazed at how simple the C100 was to operate. Fortunately, I have an associate that does the color grading for me. It doesn't bother me that it shoots only 1080, and it's a good 1080. I think 4K is overkill for many projects. And, imho, the average person, unless told or looking at exif data, cannot visually tell 1080 from 4k. Just like they can't differentiate a 12MP image from a 45mp image.
Absolutely agree with this statement. That’s why I still tell people to look into this camera. I have a 65in 1080p TV and I tell my brother constantly you can’t tell the difference between 4K or 1080p when you sit at a certain distance so there really isn’t even a need for 4K TV.
@@michaeltuffin8147 I agree content is king! That said the detail and ability to enlarge in 4K is undeniable, but again, people care about your story more that critiquing your technical details. I was recently on the set of movie that was shot 6k Blackmagic - incredibly sharp, but the story sucked so did the camera save it? Of course not.
@@alexshotthese I've never had a client say, "Oh, you're camera is only 1080, so we won't hire you." Most clients don't understand technical specs anyway. Although some of my DSLRs and mirrorless do shoot 4K, I prefer the look the C1002 delivers.
I love my C100 Mark II and the OwlBot PP makes it a lot easier to work with, indeed. Having ND's, XLR's, 4K sensor but small file sizes because of the 1080 output, is such an amazing package. Ergonomics is great as well. Great video.
Excellent video +1 BUT ... You forgot the labels at 4:02 (image Left and Right) Which one is C100 II and which one is the BMPCC4K? Also, with which camera you filmed this video? 🤨😎
@@alexshotthese No, I meant further in the video: please take a look at this time in the video: 4:02 There is just Left and Right shot, no A or B. I meant which camera is on the Left and which on the Right? Also: with which camera did you shoot yourself talking in your "talking head" vlog interior through out this video (for example at 1:00 mark) Thank you!
@@alexshotthese interesting, thanks! While at 3:58 shows on the Left the C100 and on the Right the Pocket cinema camera, correct? This explains the starker contrast in the C100 both at 4:02 (left) and 3:58 (right). While the pocket has greater dynamic range. Thanks subscribed and eager to see more of these "nostalgic" comaprisons between "ancient" Canon C100 vs alternative rebel cinema gear.
Hi Alex! Could you please tell me if the camera on the left at 4:04 is a Canon? The skin tones look really lovely!! Maybe you could help me with taking a decision? I found your video while searching for sample footage from BMP and Canon cameras. I've been struggling for months to find the right camera for my run-and-gun project, where I need to follow my character, who cycles for long distances, then climbs slopes and high ladders on a five-story abandoned grain elevator, to name just one example. If you have any suggestions for a camera I could easily carry over my shoulder, I would really appreciate it!
Sorry I’m just now seeing this! The camera on the left at 4:04 is the Blackmagic actually! Both have really good colors. The canon just has everything built into it which is nice, but the Blackmagic definitely has that more cinematic quality to it. If I had to choose one for what you’re doing I’d go with canon.
Glad I got it back in my arsenal. Not knocking my pocket because I love it. Got a video coming on that soon too, but I have been reaching for my C100mkii a lot more recently.
at the moment I'm editing footage shot on 3 x C100mkii's, a Pocket 4K and a Pocket 6K Pro...it was 2 performances of La Boheme, each performance around 2 hours...both the 4K and 6K were shooting at 4K and of course the C100mkii's at 1080p...we will only be exporting out at 1080p so the BMPCC's will be downsized either by cropping or scaling...but the file sizes! one performance from the 6K = 435Gb (high bitrate used evidently), from the 4K = 83GB and from the C100mkii = 21GB...they are colour matching pretty well and the C100 footage (both wide and close up) doesn't look out of place against the BMPCC's as far as sharpness and dynamic range goes either...love my C100mkii's...I also use them for artist interviews and some events...XLR's with decent preamps makes audio not a hassle...feed straight from the desk or using wireless lav mics into camera works for me.
Yeah since using the C100mkii again I’m shocked at how much space my 4K takes up. I shoe something the other day for about 45min and I felt like I didn’t shoot a lot. Ended up being 86GB’s. Blew my mind!
Great video! I agree with all of your points. Another advantage that the C100 Mark II has over the Blackmagic is autofocus. It's a very basic system but it is usable as long as you keep your subject centered in the frame. I am thinking of adding a Blackmagic camera to my kit eventually. I always wanted to try one.
A trick to the AF is programming the grip button to lock AF. So let’s say you’re filming an interview and want to position them left or right side of the frame. Use AF to get your focus, lock it, and pan tripod to your desired spot. I love what blackmagic do for the indie filmmaking community.
Uggggggg!!!! I am 2 Seconds from buying a Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema 6K G2 and after hearing a guy complain about the file sizes, the time it takes to color grade and the fact he said he preferred the C-100mkii I decided to look at more videos and found this video. Now the only think holding me to the BMD is the fact that I plan to use it with my ATEM Mini Extreme ISO.
Definitely comes down to preference, but the reason it has a darker contrast is because of the dynamic range is not as good as the pocket 4K. The pocket holds more detail in the shadows. Still love the C100mkii though! Especially it’s body style.
The only thing holding me back on a C100mk2 is the 4:2:0 8 bit codec. But on the other hand I don't want to have to buy a new computer to deal with 4k files, so maybe I'm just being picky.
Still a pretty robust 8bit 4:2:0. Also, not sure what kind of computer you have, but editing BRAW has been like a breeze for me on multiple different computers.
A cam was Blackmagic and B cam was Canon right? I just sensed a bit more natural and pleasant skin tone by A cam, which makes me think of Blackmagic color science, and maybe even a slightly deeper tactile impression of surfaces in general (including skin itself), with more microshadows and different clarity nuances, due to the wider dynamic range probably.
Enough time has passed to say that you are correct! I know the edit was pretty quick in some instances, but felt it’d be a realistic edit. Showing you can sneak the C100mkii in with bmpcc4k footage and I don’t think most people would notice.
Im rocking that same setup!! C100 mkii with the owl bot profile, and loving the image from it!! Have you usually used the owl bot portra 400 lut as well? or have you found any other luts that you like to use with it?
@@cyrilsindac Hey! Most of the time I do, but I'm not sure if I did on this one. The C100mkii's c-log is barely flat that usually if you add in some saturation and some contrast then you should get to a good point before adding on a creative LUT.
Pocket 4k is more like 12 stops when taking into consideration the signal to noise ratio. Just like I saw with your image, the shadows were muddy on the pocket 4k. I'd say the pocket 4k has maybe 0.5-1 stop over the canon c100.
@@alexshotthese TH-cam doesn't compress the image that much if you know which codec to use. H.264 and especially H.264 are pretty bad. Try Prores 422 or even DNXHR. They're more likely to come out clean. But what's much more important is the source codec. Pocket has a much cleaner codec than the c100 but it would be much more even if you use an external recorder. So record ProRes and export in prores. That should keep the image fairly clean. Do not use LUTs for LOG. Those muddy up the image. Color Space Transform to transform LOG to Rec.709/BT.1886. You'll be suprised by how much better the C100 looks after that. Also look into the middle grey of C-Log and the IRE range of skintones. If you get those right, the image comes out phenomenal. Resolution and color depth doesn't matter that much if you know how the camera OETF works. The blackmagic is a lot more forgiving yes but not necessarily miles better
Thanks for watching Jan. It really depends on how much storage you have at that point. I’ve filmed weddings with both cameras. The pocket I usually leave a wedding day anywhere between 270GB-320GB. The C100mkii I can walk away with like 40GB-50GB and that’s if I’m leaving the camera recording constantly. You get a lot more flexibility in the edit with the pocket 4K if you shoot raw though.
Absolutely agree. Really can’t beat the pocket image quality for the price. Now that the C100mkii is discontinued completely I’m sure the used market will be cheaper too.
Probably the only thing it can do is film slow and fast mode at 60fps with center autofocus where as the C200 shoots at 120fps and no autofocus. They don’t let you choose anything else. Obviously the work around is shooting 60fps in normal recording and then interpreting the footage to 24fps, but it’s just another unnecessary step. If you don’t need RAW then I still think the C100mkii is a great option. If face detect is something is definitively important to you then C200 all the way.
That’s great! I changed the tint in camera as I felt it also was a little too green. As far as IR pollution, I’ve never really had an issue with that due to using higher end ND filters that cut out IR contamination.
Yo fellow Wichitan, great video! I'm prepping to do our first feature film and I have one shooter friend telling me to use MY C100 mkii and another one saying that's it fine but I should move up to 4K. Your awesome video gave me confidence to possible use my c100 mkii, thank you, Alex! Keep up the great work!
That’s awesome Wade! It really is still a workhorse of a camera. 4K is nice, but still not really needed. A lot of Hollywood movies are still shot with Alexa’s and those aren’t even 4K cameras. Keep making art!
Im a c100 II owner and I can’t praise it enough. BUT, I can’t imagine a better scene than the me getting slapped without even getting a chance to breathe every time I fantasize about the c200 😂
Really depends on what your needs are. If you NEED really good face tracking auto focus then the C200 is your choice. Having owned the C200 and now still rocking the pocket 4K, I can tell you the image out of the pocket 4K is amazing. I’ve never shot ProRes with it and only shoot RAW. The RAW out of the C200 is stunning, but the file sizes are massive. If you need full-size XLR ports then the c200 is the clear winner. If you want built in ND’s then, again, c200 is the winner. Pros and cons to each, but if you’re going off image quality alone then pocket 4K everyday!
Okay makes sense I have a pocket 4k now and it’s good just want a little more I guess and I just feel like the pocket 4k is really uncomfortable to hold even when it’s rigged up and also the internal nd on the c200 is clutch so idk I was gonna upgrade soon to either the c200 or the r5c not sure tho rn I’m rocking the eos r and the bmpcc4k
@@juggernot1556 I'd suggest, if you can, rent the C200 and R5C to see if it's something worth switching over to. After using the C100mkii through my work, I fell in love with that camera again so I purchased a used one off eBay. So kept my pocket, but now I have a canon cinema camera too. I find myself reaching for the canon more, but there have DEFINITELY been projects where I know using the pocket will be better. Then afterwards, when I'm in post production, it shows that it was the right choice. All cameras have their place. Just knowing when to choose the right tool.
Hi Alex, this might be a silly question but here it goes; I typically deliver 1080 to customers shooting on the a7iii. But I came across the c200 rigged out for $2000. My question is if I’m typically shooting 1080, would the c200 be worth it vs. a c100ii for $1000? Is there a noticeable different in the 1080s out of the two cameras? Any info will help. Thanks much!
Well the 1080p out of the C100mkii is downscaled from a 4K sensor and I don’t think the C200 is doing that since it can shoot 4K. If you can get the C200 for $2,000 then that is a damn good deal! I’d probably say go that route. I love my C100mkii but I do know the C200 is kind of future proofing yourself. Gives you a decent codec in 8bit but then have the option for internal RAW too.
if you can still make pleasing images with a camera, its still a good camera! that said, shoot some prores proxy files on the blackmagic and it will save some space.
I run 2 C100 Mark II’s along with a 90D for my company. Although I will say we’re getting ready to move to a 4k workflow. But these 100’s are absolute beast when fed good lighting and you expose properly. And honestly if your end distribution is web, TH-cam, social media etc.. it’s all you truly need. Only have the 90d for when I need that 120fps. Good video!
Thanks for this video.... I've asked this question of other cinematography TH-camrs so I'll ask it here as well...QUESTION 🎥 I keep hearing it stated that the C100 is "great for shooting documentaries and talking head interviews"...but implying that, somehow, the image quality of the C100 is too "video-ish" and not cinematic looking enough, to make a proper narrative cinematic short film.. those who say this ultimately point to black magic cameras as the only way to make a movie that "looks cinematic enough for narrative" with a camera in this general price range... Others have stated that the C100 IS Cinematic, in its own way... Can you comment on this? I'm definitely leaning towards trying to purchase the c100 due to the MANY positive aspects of this camera, ...IMHO while image quality is extremely important in making a narrative film, having a camera that's enough of a Workhorse to actually HELP get the movie done in a relatively quick time with as little technical roadblocks as possible, also is a major Boon I think towards the CREATION of Cinema for lower budget filmmakers ... AKA if your movie never gets done, then you have no Cinema ....but this question of "cinematic-ness", or an implied lack thereof, of the C100, keeps coming up for some reason. 🎥
Hey J Kapp, thanks for watching and commenting. The C100mkii is a CINEMA CAMERA. Don’t listen to other people calling it “videoish”. It make look that way to other people because they’ve maybe seen a lot of “video” looking footage from it, but ultimately it will come down to lighting. Go watch Film Riot’s short film “U.F.Oh Yeah” and tell me that doesn’t look cinematic. Shot on the C100mkii. The C100mkii is still a great little camera. Now the C200 has dropped in price though to $3500. So you just have to weigh your options. Both would be killer.
@@alexshotthese Major thanks awesome answer... The total combined reasons why I would Go for the C100 would be... Super 35 sensor size which lowers crop factor and is an EF mount (no immediate need off the bat for a spedbooster) , smaller file size which will ultimately make it easier to edit, (I'll be using a 2015 iMac so this will matter) excellent camera in low-light, ND filters, built-in XLR cable mounts for audio, great form factor, double card slots, excellent battery life... there's many other reasons but I'll stop here...all my prior narrative films had been made with the Canon 7D or a grad school documentary short that I made with the Canon T3i believe it or not, so I do have some history with Canon..looking forward to the opportunity to work to make something 👍
C100 would be excellent then. When I first owned it I would edit on a 2015 iMac with no issues. There isn’t any speedboosters available for the c100, but super 35 has been the norm in the film industry for what seems like forever. I’ve had no issues with it.
That’s not really a fair comparison, Black Magic cameras are the cheapest cameras on the market for a reason, most iPhones record in higher quality than a Black Magic.
*SUPER dope Video! I’ve been looking at the c100 MKII. For the money I think it’s a steal!! Jus so many options. I have to find myself a used one, 👀 #RobbArmstrong
Oh wow just saw this. Thanks for the shoutout brotha, glad the profile's working for ya!
Of course. It really has changed this camera and it helps match with newer cameras easier too.
Hey, had a quick question. Had someone ask me if the owlbot color profile has less dynamic range than the c-log or wide dr profiles. I told them I didn’t see that much of a difference. Can you shed any light on this?
@@alexshotthese OWLCOLOR for the C100 is, at it's base, still Clog so the DR is the same. The black point has been dropped a bit so you might perceive that there's less info in the shadows (maybe "half a stop" or whatever) but based on tests that level in the image was just noise anyway so having it be cleaner took priority.
Functionally the DR is identical.
@@Owlbot that’s what I thought but just wanted clarification! Thank you for responding!
Yeah so true. You don't need a 30k camera, what you need is great lighting and set!
I love my C100 M2. It's just a workhorse with small files that grade remarkably well. That said, the detail compared to 4K is clearly lacking and the 8 bit 4.2.0 codec has limitations, but the ability to shoot practically all day with 2 batteries and tiny files make it hard to dismiss this great camera. Solid for presentations and concerts. I'm not going to sell mine even when I upgrade to 4K - just such a dependable camera with really useful image quality even in 2022. FYI I shoot Wide DR all the time now.
That’s awesome to hear. I agree. Such a workhorse even in 2022!
I'm a photographer, not a true videographer, but purchased a C100 Mark II for wedding clients that want video. Before purchasing, I'd hardly ever engaged video mode on any of my too many to count DSLRs. I was amazed at how simple the C100 was to operate. Fortunately, I have an associate that does the color grading for me. It doesn't bother me that it shoots only 1080, and it's a good 1080. I think 4K is overkill for many projects. And, imho, the average person, unless told or looking at exif data, cannot visually tell 1080 from 4k. Just like they can't differentiate a 12MP image from a 45mp image.
Absolutely agree with this statement. That’s why I still tell people to look into this camera. I have a 65in 1080p TV and I tell my brother constantly you can’t tell the difference between 4K or 1080p when you sit at a certain distance so there really isn’t even a need for 4K TV.
@@michaeltuffin8147 I agree content is king! That said the detail and ability to enlarge in 4K is undeniable, but again, people care about your story more that critiquing your technical details. I was recently on the set of movie that was shot 6k Blackmagic - incredibly sharp, but the story sucked so did the camera save it? Of course not.
@@alexshotthese I've never had a client say, "Oh, you're camera is only 1080, so we won't hire you." Most clients don't understand technical specs anyway. Although some of my DSLRs and mirrorless do shoot 4K, I prefer the look the C1002 delivers.
I love my C100 Mark II and the OwlBot PP makes it a lot easier to work with, indeed. Having ND's, XLR's, 4K sensor but small file sizes because of the 1080 output, is such an amazing package. Ergonomics is great as well. Great video.
Absolutely agree with all that. Still a great all around camera.
Excellent video +1 BUT ...
You forgot the labels at 4:02 (image Left and Right) Which one is C100 II and which one is the BMPCC4K?
Also, with which camera you filmed this video? 🤨😎
Good point, forgot to say which is which, even in the description. A Cam was pocket and B cam was C100mkii.
@@alexshotthese No, I meant further in the video: please take a look at this time in the video: 4:02 There is just Left and Right shot, no A or B. I meant which camera is on the Left and which on the Right?
Also: with which camera did you shoot yourself talking in your "talking head" vlog interior through out this video (for example at 1:00 mark) Thank you!
Left is Pocket and right is C100mkii. C100mkii filmed me and the talking head portions of the video.
@@alexshotthese interesting, thanks! While at 3:58 shows on the Left the C100 and on the Right the Pocket cinema camera, correct?
This explains the starker contrast in the C100 both at 4:02 (left) and 3:58 (right). While the pocket has greater dynamic range.
Thanks subscribed and eager to see more of these "nostalgic" comaprisons between "ancient" Canon C100 vs alternative rebel cinema gear.
I shoot lately exclusively on Canon C100 Mark 1. This year we shot 4 feature films on this camera and I love it. Perfect camera for a filmmaker.
I think B camera was Canon
Hi Alex! Could you please tell me if the camera on the left at 4:04 is a Canon? The skin tones look really lovely!!
Maybe you could help me with taking a decision?
I found your video while searching for sample footage from BMP and Canon cameras. I've been struggling for months to find the right camera for my run-and-gun project, where I need to follow my character, who cycles for long distances, then climbs slopes and high ladders on a five-story abandoned grain elevator, to name just one example. If you have any suggestions for a camera I could easily carry over my shoulder, I would really appreciate it!
Sorry I’m just now seeing this! The camera on the left at 4:04 is the Blackmagic actually! Both have really good colors. The canon just has everything built into it which is nice, but the Blackmagic definitely has that more cinematic quality to it.
If I had to choose one for what you’re doing I’d go with canon.
Too true. I keep thinking it might be time to let go of my C100 mark ii and I still keep it and I still use it.
Glad I got it back in my arsenal. Not knocking my pocket because I love it. Got a video coming on that soon too, but I have been reaching for my C100mkii a lot more recently.
at the moment I'm editing footage shot on 3 x C100mkii's, a Pocket 4K and a Pocket 6K Pro...it was 2 performances of La Boheme, each performance around 2 hours...both the 4K and 6K were shooting at 4K and of course the C100mkii's at 1080p...we will only be exporting out at 1080p so the BMPCC's will be downsized either by cropping or scaling...but the file sizes! one performance from the 6K = 435Gb (high bitrate used evidently), from the 4K = 83GB and from the C100mkii = 21GB...they are colour matching pretty well and the C100 footage (both wide and close up) doesn't look out of place against the BMPCC's as far as sharpness and dynamic range goes either...love my C100mkii's...I also use them for artist interviews and some events...XLR's with decent preamps makes audio not a hassle...feed straight from the desk or using wireless lav mics into camera works for me.
Yeah since using the C100mkii again I’m shocked at how much space my 4K takes up. I shoe something the other day for about 45min and I felt like I didn’t shoot a lot. Ended up being 86GB’s. Blew my mind!
Great video! I agree with all of your points. Another advantage that the C100 Mark II has over the Blackmagic is autofocus. It's a very basic system but it is usable as long as you keep your subject centered in the frame. I am thinking of adding a Blackmagic camera to my kit eventually. I always wanted to try one.
A trick to the AF is programming the grip button to lock AF. So let’s say you’re filming an interview and want to position them left or right side of the frame. Use AF to get your focus, lock it, and pan tripod to your desired spot.
I love what blackmagic do for the indie filmmaking community.
Is it me or does the bmpc4k's blacks look purple/redish?
Uggggggg!!!! I am 2 Seconds from buying a Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema 6K G2 and after hearing a guy complain about the file sizes, the time it takes to color grade and the fact he said he preferred the C-100mkii I decided to look at more videos and found this video. Now the only think holding me to the BMD is the fact that I plan to use it with my ATEM Mini Extreme ISO.
You did watch and comment so I’m not mad lol. Thanks for helping the channel out.
The Door was filmed on more expensive camera. Great video!
I like the c100 more.. good black contrast
Definitely comes down to preference, but the reason it has a darker contrast is because of the dynamic range is not as good as the pocket 4K. The pocket holds more detail in the shadows. Still love the C100mkii though! Especially it’s body style.
The only thing holding me back on a C100mk2 is the 4:2:0 8 bit codec. But on the other hand I don't want to have to buy a new computer to deal with 4k files, so maybe I'm just being picky.
Still a pretty robust 8bit 4:2:0. Also, not sure what kind of computer you have, but editing BRAW has been like a breeze for me on multiple different computers.
owlcolor profile really takes the c100 to another level.
100% agree. It has given this camera new life in my eyes.
A cam was Blackmagic and B cam was Canon right? I just sensed a bit more natural and pleasant skin tone by A cam, which makes me think of Blackmagic color science, and maybe even a slightly deeper tactile impression of surfaces in general (including skin itself), with more microshadows and different clarity nuances, due to the wider dynamic range probably.
Enough time has passed to say that you are correct! I know the edit was pretty quick in some instances, but felt it’d be a realistic edit. Showing you can sneak the C100mkii in with bmpcc4k footage and I don’t think most people would notice.
I think the low light capability is one of the strongest points about this camera
It is pretty good in low light, but newer cameras are getting better. Still, it’s low light is no slouch.
good afternoon, thanks for the review! can you dump the source files from c 100? I really want to twist in the editing program! thank you very much!!
Im rocking that same setup!! C100 mkii with the owl bot profile, and loving the image from it!! Have you usually used the owl bot portra 400 lut as well? or have you found any other luts that you like to use with it?
The talking head in this is the C100mkii with the owlbot profile and then I use Danny Gevirtz LUTs. I used his orange and teal one.
@@alexshotthese Hey man! Did you use a conversion LUT to Rec 709 before slapping on Danny's LUT? 😊
@@cyrilsindac Hey! Most of the time I do, but I'm not sure if I did on this one. The C100mkii's c-log is barely flat that usually if you add in some saturation and some contrast then you should get to a good point before adding on a creative LUT.
@@alexshotthese thanks so much man!
Pocket 4k is more like 12 stops when taking into consideration the signal to noise ratio. Just like I saw with your image, the shadows were muddy on the pocket 4k. I'd say the pocket 4k has maybe 0.5-1 stop over the canon c100.
TH-cam compression doesn’t help either.
@@alexshotthese TH-cam doesn't compress the image that much if you know which codec to use. H.264 and especially H.264 are pretty bad. Try Prores 422 or even DNXHR. They're more likely to come out clean.
But what's much more important is the source codec. Pocket has a much cleaner codec than the c100 but it would be much more even if you use an external recorder.
So record ProRes and export in prores. That should keep the image fairly clean. Do not use LUTs for LOG. Those muddy up the image. Color Space Transform to transform LOG to Rec.709/BT.1886. You'll be suprised by how much better the C100 looks after that.
Also look into the middle grey of C-Log and the IRE range of skintones. If you get those right, the image comes out phenomenal.
Resolution and color depth doesn't matter that much if you know how the camera OETF works. The blackmagic is a lot more forgiving yes but not necessarily miles better
For wedding filmmaking, do you recommend running the pocket 4k and c100 mkii?
Thanks for watching Jan. It really depends on how much storage you have at that point. I’ve filmed weddings with both cameras. The pocket I usually leave a wedding day anywhere between 270GB-320GB. The C100mkii I can walk away with like 40GB-50GB and that’s if I’m leaving the camera recording constantly.
You get a lot more flexibility in the edit with the pocket 4K if you shoot raw though.
The colors of the Pocket and image quality are just superior but the ND filter AF and full XLR are sucha luxury and the image of C100 is not terrible
Absolutely agree. Really can’t beat the pocket image quality for the price. Now that the C100mkii is discontinued completely I’m sure the used market will be cheaper too.
Hmm, what’s does the c100 do that the c200 can’t do?
Probably the only thing it can do is film slow and fast mode at 60fps with center autofocus where as the C200 shoots at 120fps and no autofocus. They don’t let you choose anything else. Obviously the work around is shooting 60fps in normal recording and then interpreting the footage to 24fps, but it’s just another unnecessary step.
If you don’t need RAW then I still think the C100mkii is a great option. If face detect is something is definitively important to you then C200 all the way.
i can recognize bmpcc footage from the moon. That green tint and pink blacks IR issue hard to unsee.
That’s great! I changed the tint in camera as I felt it also was a little too green. As far as IR pollution, I’ve never really had an issue with that due to using higher end ND filters that cut out IR contamination.
Yo fellow Wichitan, great video! I'm prepping to do our first feature film and I have one shooter friend telling me to use MY C100 mkii and another one saying that's it fine but I should move up to 4K. Your awesome video gave me confidence to possible use my c100 mkii, thank you, Alex! Keep up the great work!
That’s awesome Wade! It really is still a workhorse of a camera. 4K is nice, but still not really needed. A lot of Hollywood movies are still shot with Alexa’s and those aren’t even 4K cameras. Keep making art!
@@alexshotthese Will do and thank you for the inspiration, Alex!
Im a c100 II owner and I can’t praise it enough. BUT, I can’t imagine a better scene than the me getting slapped without even getting a chance to breathe every time I fantasize about the c200 😂
Hey what would you say is better the c200 or bmpcc4k ?
Really depends on what your needs are. If you NEED really good face tracking auto focus then the C200 is your choice. Having owned the C200 and now still rocking the pocket 4K, I can tell you the image out of the pocket 4K is amazing. I’ve never shot ProRes with it and only shoot RAW. The RAW out of the C200 is stunning, but the file sizes are massive.
If you need full-size XLR ports then the c200 is the clear winner. If you want built in ND’s then, again, c200 is the winner. Pros and cons to each, but if you’re going off image quality alone then pocket 4K everyday!
Okay makes sense I have a pocket 4k now and it’s good just want a little more I guess and I just feel like the pocket 4k is really uncomfortable to hold even when it’s rigged up and also the internal nd on the c200 is clutch so idk I was gonna upgrade soon to either the c200 or the r5c not sure tho rn I’m rocking the eos r and the bmpcc4k
@@juggernot1556 I'd suggest, if you can, rent the C200 and R5C to see if it's something worth switching over to. After using the C100mkii through my work, I fell in love with that camera again so I purchased a used one off eBay. So kept my pocket, but now I have a canon cinema camera too. I find myself reaching for the canon more, but there have DEFINITELY been projects where I know using the pocket will be better. Then afterwards, when I'm in post production, it shows that it was the right choice. All cameras have their place. Just knowing when to choose the right tool.
Thank you for all the information man really appreciate it 💯
Debating with myself between C100mk2 and the C200. I primarily film weddings and cinematic shorts.
Honestly since the C200 has dropped in price a decent amount I’d go for that. Even on the used market you can get a good one.
Hi Alex, this might be a silly question but here it goes; I typically deliver 1080 to customers shooting on the a7iii. But I came across the c200 rigged out for $2000. My question is if I’m typically shooting 1080, would the c200 be worth it vs. a c100ii for $1000? Is there a noticeable different in the 1080s out of the two cameras? Any info will help. Thanks much!
Well the 1080p out of the C100mkii is downscaled from a 4K sensor and I don’t think the C200 is doing that since it can shoot 4K. If you can get the C200 for $2,000 then that is a damn good deal! I’d probably say go that route. I love my C100mkii but I do know the C200 is kind of future proofing yourself. Gives you a decent codec in 8bit but then have the option for internal RAW too.
@@alexshotthese thank you! I’m sold on the c200. Can’t wait to start creating with it! Thanks again for the info. Cheers!
No problem man! Glad I could help!
if you can still make pleasing images with a camera, its still a good camera! that said, shoot some prores proxy files on the blackmagic and it will save some space.
True, never tried that, but I’ve also seen proxies end up looking kind of crappy. I might have to try it out and do a side by side comparison.
I'd guess A cam is C100 mark II and B is the pocket 4k
Thanks for watching and commenting. Time to give away the answer! A Cam was Pocket 4K and B Cam was C100mkii!
@@alexshotthese oh really? Nice xD
@@dimitris.tsakalas in the right scenario it’s still a solid camera. It’s also a really wonderful run n gun camera too.
I run 2 C100 Mark II’s along with a 90D for my company. Although I will say we’re getting ready to move to a 4k workflow. But these 100’s are absolute beast when fed good lighting and you expose properly. And honestly if your end distribution is web, TH-cam, social media etc.. it’s all you truly need. Only have the 90d for when I need that 120fps. Good video!
@@vincentduke7212 Exactly! Actually filmed the talking head bit with the C100mkii. I just exported everything in 4K. What are you all upgrading to?
Thanks for this video.... I've asked this question of other cinematography TH-camrs so I'll ask it here as well...QUESTION 🎥 I keep hearing it stated that the C100 is "great for shooting documentaries and talking head interviews"...but implying that, somehow, the image quality of the C100 is too "video-ish" and not cinematic looking enough, to make a proper narrative cinematic short film.. those who say this ultimately point to black magic cameras as the only way to make a movie that "looks cinematic enough for narrative" with a camera in this general price range... Others have stated that the C100 IS Cinematic, in its own way... Can you comment on this? I'm definitely leaning towards trying to purchase the c100 due to the MANY positive aspects of this camera, ...IMHO while image quality is extremely important in making a narrative film, having a camera that's enough of a Workhorse to actually HELP get the movie done in a relatively quick time with as little technical roadblocks as possible, also is a major Boon I think towards the CREATION of Cinema for lower budget filmmakers ... AKA if your movie never gets done, then you have no Cinema ....but this question of "cinematic-ness", or an implied lack thereof, of the C100, keeps coming up for some reason. 🎥
Hey J Kapp, thanks for watching and commenting.
The C100mkii is a CINEMA CAMERA. Don’t listen to other people calling it “videoish”. It make look that way to other people because they’ve maybe seen a lot of “video” looking footage from it, but ultimately it will come down to lighting. Go watch Film Riot’s short film “U.F.Oh Yeah” and tell me that doesn’t look cinematic. Shot on the C100mkii.
The C100mkii is still a great little camera. Now the C200 has dropped in price though to $3500. So you just have to weigh your options. Both would be killer.
@@alexshotthese Major thanks awesome answer... The total combined reasons why I would Go for the C100 would be... Super 35 sensor size which lowers crop factor and is an EF mount (no immediate need off the bat for a spedbooster) , smaller file size which will ultimately make it easier to edit, (I'll be using a 2015 iMac so this will matter) excellent camera in low-light, ND filters, built-in XLR cable mounts for audio, great form factor, double card slots, excellent battery life... there's many other reasons but I'll stop here...all my prior narrative films had been made with the Canon 7D or a grad school documentary short that I made with the Canon T3i believe it or not, so I do have some history with Canon..looking forward to the opportunity to work to make something 👍
C100 would be excellent then. When I first owned it I would edit on a 2015 iMac with no issues. There isn’t any speedboosters available for the c100, but super 35 has been the norm in the film industry for what seems like forever. I’ve had no issues with it.
@@alexshotthese awesome and much thanks
excellent video!!!
Thank you! I really appreciate that.
dude your frickn awesome haha nice
That’s not really a fair comparison, Black Magic cameras are the cheapest cameras on the market for a reason, most iPhones record in higher quality than a Black Magic.
good job :)
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed this video.
It was an 8yr old camera vs a 4yr old camera
Well the 4yr old camera is still punching well above its class. Definitely was when it was released and still is today.
@@alexshotthese Only after firmware updates did it got better.
As do most things.
C100MK2 has 14 stops. shoot in log than send it to davinci youll see.
It was always advertised as 12 stops of dynamic range. I’ll find it very hard to believe a camera this old has better stops of DR than the pocket 4k.
*SUPER dope Video! I’ve been looking at the c100 MKII. For the money I think it’s a steal!! Jus so many options. I have to find myself a used one, 👀
#RobbArmstrong
Thank you! It’s still a workhorse of a camera and it’s fun to use. Definitely go used! A lot of them are still in great shape used.
Both shoots look like home videos ... lol 😆 so bad
Hey thanks for watching and commenting. Helping that algorithm out. 👍