to be fair, the Aztecs did their fair share of empire building and colonialism. One of the reasons why the Hernan Cortes' conquistadors were so successful against the Aztec Empire, despite being severely outnumbered was that all of the Aztec's neighbors hated the Aztecs because of the chronic warmongering they engaged in. At the siege of Tenochtitlan the Aztecs were outnumbered despite the Spanish only have hundreds of soldiers, because there were tens of thousands of natives fighting with the Spanish against the Aztecs.
Yeah that's why I thought the point was hilarious and agreed with it. They were really pushing the anticolonialism point yet they made their antihero a member of an empire that actively used colonialism. You would think using one of the groups conquered by the Aztecs might have been a better choice.@@colbunkmust
@@colbunkmust And the Aztecs had a cultural "Human sacrifice," problem that hardly made them the good guys when the Conquistadors arrived. That was one cringy problem with the Woke, "Europe Bad, Everyone else, good," problem with historical discussions. There was a scene in Eternals about Cortes sacking Tenochtitlan in 1525 . One eternal called it "genocide," and wanted to intervene to save the human sacrificing Aztecs, from the bad Conquistadors. The others agreed to stay neutral.
It's almost like EVERY DAMN CIVILIZATION THROUGHOUT HISTORY participated in "muh colonialism" if they had the means to do it. But oh no wait only baddy bad whites did, everyone else was a total saint who never attacked and conquered others whatsoever, my bad
@@bl8388Aztec Empire was horrible, but using human sacrifice as an excuse for genocide and plunder is quite a twisted rhetoric. Imagine Chinese Empire genociding Europe because they waged war and burned people at the stake. Not to mention Spaniards didn’t restrict mass murder and enslaving to Aztecs, but they treated the natives they “saved” from Aztecs pretty much the same. Conquistadors are clear cut villains in this story, no matter how bad Aztecs were.
Also, if Namor wanted Talokan to stay hidden...why launch such a violent attack on researchers that would leave them looking for culprits and launch an investigation? Hypnotize them by singing, relocate their ship somewhere far away from the vibranium (without them having any memory of how that even happened), damage their equipment and surveillance cameras, and leave them clueless about WTF was that. Then reach out to Wakanda for help with protecting their secrets and strike a mutually beneficial agreement without having to threaten or kill anyone.
@@junebugsolariswhat if he disappeared in the blip too, we don't know cuz they never actually show us the impact it had on universe in a believable way, just few dialogues here and there. Hell in the very next film after endgame, spiderman 2, they were all joking about it
@Victor Nieves no he wouldn’t have. Namor literally spends all his time in the ocean. Plus, who’s to say Namor wouldn’t be so stricken with grief and anger that he would actively deny what people were saying just to attack the surface world. He attacked the surface for FAR LESS in the comics. No excuses. Shit writing and world building is shit. This movie is a completely crapfest.
Namor's plan was actually pretty straightforward; attack and destabilize the surface world. The only limit is whether his army was actually as large as he claimed it to be. Because if it is, most of the world's population is either coastal or near river/tributary water systems, and Namor would be able to wreck shit basically everywhere until folks figured out the breathers
@@TheLittlePlatoon To be fair, having a slime mold in your comments sections fulfills that criterion equally well, but we appreciate the vote of confidence anyway
I'm not a native English speaker, but I'm pretty sure it's "honoured *by* your statement". I'm taking away one of your honourary brain cells, leaving you with only 3.
@@TheLittlePlatoon I want to admit that I didn't know that Black Panther 1 and 2 was a racist stereotype of indigenous tribes within Africa. I honestly thought they were just keeping in check with the comic book lore and TV show lore of The Black Panther. I honestly thought they were just sticking close to the actual OG lore of Black Panther with some creative liberties taken. I did not know they actually tried to base the fictional country of Wakanda in the fictional Universe of the Marvel series on the actual indigenous tribes within the real country of Africa! That is honestly really distasteful, disrespectful, foolish, and absolutely embarrassing. I'm actually ashamed that I even enjoyed the 1st movie back then. At least I know now and I will try to keep it in mind in the future. Thank you very much @TheLittlePlatoon for letting me know, I appreciate it a lot.😁👍💖☺️🌷🌺
I honestly think they used Bozeman's death just to fill seats. I don't doubt that his costars were saddened by the loss but this feels like "The Crow:City of Angels" all over again but with an insane budget.
I think there’s definitely an aspect of that, and otherwise of them struggling to add it into an existing story without really smoothing out the edges.
@@TheLittlePlatoon "and some how it's awesome and wonderful that white people are crying to." That's story telling today, emotional fluff with no solid story telling. Boseman died, tchalla didn't.
I think so too. It’s incredibly scummy, and the reason I didn’t watch it, I think they actually went ahead and turned his death into a marketing gimmick.
You missed the part where Nakia doesn't let Shuri save the female smurf guard with magical balls because if she had the plot wouldn't have moved forward with waging war
The whole movie would be over if the ambush on the bridge actually led to Riri being killed, the very thing Namor wanted Shurri to do. But nah, Namor changed his mind and wants to war with the surface world instead of stay hidden.
Chadwick shouldnt be remembered for one role just because it was his most popular, he has done other roles and actions/quotes that are as much more inspiring than black panther. It makes me incredibly mad that the media AND the public only remembers him for it, the man was even visibly getting exhausted (in each photos) of doing the wakanda salutation pose with fans.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with remembering Chadwick as the Black Panther in Marvel movies, no doubt he was in better movies than BP1. As long as he got proper tribute for being an accomplished person both as an amazing actor and someone who used his platform to make a positive impact in the lives of young people. I’m still remembering him visiting terminally ill children while he was privately battling that same illness. Chadwick Boseman was a treasure, and he will be missed by fans for sure.
And how the female She-Hulk writers managed to make their female hero have all the worst female stereotypes and claim she is enlightened and empowered. If a man had written that drivel, feminists, and also actual women, would've been pretty upset and justifiably so. Jen is both unprofessional and incompetent while simultaneously being better than Hulk at everything with no effort or training. 🙄
It'd be funny if I didn't like Black Theater so much. They used to actually try to say something. This is Glorified Regression dressed up as Inclusion. Shame on them.
I think that one of the funniest things about Black Panther is that Richard Spencer has come out in full support of Wakanda since he too believes in the idea of a supremacist, isolationist ethno state
@@BWMagus Technically Germany and Japan were allies by circumstances Neither one of them were going to stick their necks out for one another and they even worked in opposition to each other too German officers training Chinese soldiers in the early 1930s is a great example of this
@@Hippo_Hegemony Eh, the 17th century world as a whole could wipe the floor with that; The second half of the 80 Years' War, & the French Wars of Religion- that had begun in the previous century, the 30 Years' War (which Churchill considered the closest thing to a world war, before the Great War- along with the later 7 Years' War); this included the Wars of the Three Kingdoms (which *_also_* included the *3* English Civil Wars- which even expanded into America for a hot minute with the Battle of the Severn, plus the concurrent events in Scotland & Ireland), the Anglo-Dutch Wars, the Franco-Spanish Wars, & the start of the Jacobite Rebellions - & **all** of that is not including all the conflicts *outside* of Great Britain & Central & Western Europe; whatever inter-kingdom conflicts were happening in the East, Africa, the Americas, & Asia- & I have no doubt it was *a lot* I'm not sure there was _a single year_ in the 17th Century where there was no conflict involving one or more major nations - & if I recall correctly, the 19th century was known as the Age of Revolution, so it seems like things were not much better 200 years on...
@@Hippo_Hegemony You kinda get a grudge against everyone ... if other nations continulously use your country as a stage for war and march through it for centuries. "Germany" hadnt existed until 1871 ... mostly because of Austria being a bunch of awful idiots (they proved useless in the early 20th century and lost their big empire due to not being able to "create a feeling of community among the different cultures and instead forcing compliance". Btw. ... Britain went to war with every place they encountered ... and so did Spain when it was their turn in the New World, so why do "you people" only ever mention Germany?
@@Свободадляроссии The French kinda started this almost a century earlier ... when Napoleon started marching through Europe (except Britain and Skandinavia). Incidentally ... the French Revolution is also the birthplace of something that Germany gets also blamed for, because the "EMOTIONAL SOLVING OF PROBLEMS" (by chopping off heads) / eliminating a social caste "because they are that social caste" ... is proto-communism.
Why didnt the film decide to link tchala's death with the main plot? Have him investigate the new under water vibranium source only to be mysteriously killed by vibranium. Then have an arc where they suspect each other then tie it into namor's introduction as a character. Even put a crown on his head or something when hes introduced. Then the audience and the characters both have a reason to see naymore lose.
Because Boseman was the center of the universe built for Wakanda (and a fair bit of the MCU), and Boseman being gone had real consequences that should rightfully be explored. When a patriarch falls, the reverberations from that should be all encompassing. So they did that, and still told their fresh and new story
Also one thing you didn't talk about that bugged the hell out of me, when Shuri and Riri escape from Not Atlantis, neither of them are wearing pressurized suits (which previously allowed them to enter Not Atlantis without being crushed due to water pressure) and they're both kinda just hanging onto the side of the pod. Going up vs going down doesn't change the fact that water pressure is water pressure and will crush you into a fine paste when you go past a certain point.
assuming you survive the crushing pressure and get to relatively shallow depths, it still has huge effects on organs. not to mention the bends and how lethal that is
And even if they somehow could withstand the pressure down there, and even if they were in a pressure suit, the rapid ascend would kill them. Just ask any diver about decompression sickness.
Question that just popped into my head; if Namor and his people were stronger than the Conquistadors, and did beat the ones who came for their village without much of a struggle… then how come the Conquistadors still won?
I took away from the film that namor had decided it was more important to keep building his society in secret during which he did build a massive army so I think he was thinking more long term
@@LyfeWithJoy You need to keep your society a secret if you’re threatened by the outside world. The sea is 95% unexplored, Namor would have a huge advantage, because he can reach depths not even robots can handle, let alone human beings. He can cause tidal waves, he can drown a country’s navy, and he has the advantage that he can pop in and out of the water without any warning, with the same ease. And that’s for the 21st century, it would be even easier back then.
On the "it was smart to burn the magic Wakandan flower", you can see the exact problem with the super soldier serum. It used to be "it only worked on Cap and the only man who could make it was killed". It gave Cap a unique quality and history. But then Disney decided that any random person could make more and now "super soldiers" are a dime a dozen and nobody cares anymore because it's just an excuse to give random schmucks with no backstory superpowers.
Makes a mockery of the red room, Red skull and Red guardian. Captain being subjected to a painful life altering experiment. Fuck it, everyone can be a super soldier. It isn't that special. The one scientist who created the serum is dead but someone else figured it out
it was very special in wwii... but in 60 years why would you think no one would recreate that? super soldiers arent supposed to be special. thats why cap died, his time in is done, he wouldnt be much help now
@johnhughes2124 exactly. Captain America was special bc he was good. Red skull was the first super soldier. Bucky wasnt even the second. Does everyone forget the 6 Russian super soldiers? Cap served to inspire. Remember visions speach in age of ultron?
@@blackE1114 "thats why cap died, his time in is done, he wouldnt be much help now" Why? Why would a brave, highly trained resourceful, and experienced person , with superhuman strength and stamina, and a vibranium shield, be not much help now?
This is the kind of films that would be considered mediocre 10 years ago. But it is considered decent now a days because of how far our standards have fallen in the quality of movie making.
When the AI tells Rammonda that Shuri's kidnappers spoke "Maya" i almost bursted out laughing cause Maya isn't a single language it is a language family, it would be like getting captured by Russian mobsters and the AI says they spoke "Slavic". Perhaps the silly thing is that according to the producers, Namor and the Talokans speak Yucatec Maya that is the same as the Mayans who still live in the Yucatan peninsula, How an isolated civilization speaks the same way as natives who have been affected by outside influences? It also doesn't help Namor's actor Tenoch Huerta is basically Killmonger but Latino pontificating on how "dark-skinned" people have only been casted as Drug Dealers in American movies.
@@josephwilliams9030 Greek were too white perhaps for this movie? Or they wanted something more relatable for modern audiences in America? They did end up trying to follow Spanish colonists as per history in that area but writer probably just didn't know what Hispanics are and Spanish sound European.
@@josephwilliams9030 honestly I feel that it as its own thing (an Aztec inspired Atlantis) is fine and creatively fresh, it’s not like they said they were THE Atlantians from Greek Myth
Grats on such a perceptive and accurate comment 👍 Apparently, the AI in Phase 4 is also dumber than in previous versions... 🙄 Jarvis would've said something along the lines of: _"They appear to be speaking an archaic dialect of Mayan origins"_ Unfortunately, this film feels the need to "dumb it down" for the audience.
One thing I want to add is. I watched this movie in South Africa the country where the Wakandan language came from. During the death scene people in my theater laughed because of how bad the accent they were speaking with
@@israelhernandez5431 you don't have to know them to cry . it's called being invested to the actors playing the character , just like when fans everywhere cried for spiderman and all the heroes they think died in Infinity War and dont even know them .. they are invested !
Tbh if they spoke in an original African accent I don’t think Americans would be able to understand. I mean here people could speak perfect English but with a thick accent and still be accused of not knowing English
I’ve noticed something about American writers view on Africa. It is completely defined by their own origins or their view in black people of US. Who are in no way, shape or form are representative of African cultures. They tend to view Africa as a continent of black people, not a continent of multiple cultures (except cosmetic differences). They are one in the end, and when they war, it’s civil war. Essentially writers are “Warmongers” - they consider all black people as “black brothers”, while brutality African nations engaged with each other easily exceeds anything Europeans did to them directly (we consider European and American slavery horrific, but African tribes sold slaves centuries before to Arabs in such quantity that buyers practiced castration of slaves with insane mortality rates because of how cheap and plentiful slaves were). There were some line akin to “white people brought immorality to this shores” in Woman King, and that is not true. People were monsters to each other since a dawn of time, and no place were utopian paradise, and less advanced place is, less humane we are there to others.
Furthermore, as much as it sucks to admit this, but the evil white colonialists were the ones that STOPPED alot of that--the British FORCED the African empires to end slavery. They (and other European powers) instituted courts, schools, some concept of public health, and a modern legal system. This isn't to say they weren't also dicks, but indeed, they came to a land where slavery and genocide was the norm and put a stop to it. You can say it was a lateral move, one form of slavery for another, but at least it gave them the tools to follow in Europe's footsteps into a more just future. They sadly are throwing that away because "fuck whitey."
Even though what you said its true,you skipped a very important part, where a lot of those leaders are in power because ,foreign countries and big companies, some directly others through governments, put them there,just a few months ago look at what happen in niger 😂,do you think its just niger,look at what BP is doing in Nigeria?😂😂,and about slavery well,it happen all over the world all races have done it,we are not special.
But for Americans, the world doesn't matter, only America matters. So they think everything begun and ended with them, including slavery. And also American blacks are black supremacists, they are a step away from donning black robes with masks and burning white people alive.
Because he has ruled his people for over 400 years by staying in the shadows, eliminating all threats, and being kept to legends, whispers, and fables to those not any threat. Wakanda will keep to Wakanda, but imagine what would've happened had they been free to talk to even their ally, Everett Ross. US has knowledge of the attack, they now have knowledge of a people present, they know where the detector sent and placed their ship... and they now have reason to head back with a battalion. Battalion gets destroyed, and they lean on dropping a nuke
I'm not a physics major but no way do those wings generate enough thrust to lift a fully grown man. At last Stark's suits have a veneer of plausibility
Okay to add a little context to why M'Baku makes monkey noises: in the comics, M'Baku is the Man-Ape, a man in a gorilla suit much like how Rhino wears a rhino suit. Of course that would be too silly for the MCU, so they changed him.
@@grandarkfang_1482 he got his strength from eating the Ape’s flesh and bathing in his blood and then wore the skin around. Which they left from the movie though that scene may have been really cool.
@@haku8135 his tribe and their attire are all gorilla themed, as a reference to his being Man-Ape. Hell, a gorilla statue is even on the mountain! They're the only ones that do it in the movie, so I think it's fine as a reference to the comics. Believe me, I know this movie has MANY issues, the entire MCU does. But M'Baku and his tribe being gorilla themed is not one of them
I’m an East African and a huge cinefile and I really appreciate your critique, shame there’s not as much criticism coming from within the community. If you can call a billion people spread across multiple places and with many different (mostly stupid) beliefs a community ❤
How can they say Namor means without love? His mother loved him, his people love him, he is surrounded by love and he loves his home and his people. That version of the name makes no sense.
A Spanish priest, seeing this flying child, who came out of the water, utterly destroy everything around him... is supposed to call the boy what? The spawn of Satan. The child without the love of Christ. Namor made utter sense
i think it’s bc some conquistador in the movie when he was a child said “eres un niño sin amor” which means you are a child without love. he just took the “n” from “sin” and placed it in front of “amor” which i didn’t understand fr
Unfortunately the audience is so shallow that the movie did not need to earn any of its crying moments, I have seen in the theatre most people were weeping along while I was rolling my eyes about how revolting it is to use someone's death to sell a movie.....
Damn bro you still go to the movies? unless it's like Tarantino i know it's trash so i don't even bother. I haven't set foot in a cinema since The Force Awakens.
I haven't watched this yet. Because phase 4 has the following formula: 1)Former Male hero now has a highly skilled female hero that outshines them or matches their skill set with none of the 'negative' traits of personality. 2) Every significant female is strong and powerful. 3) The villian has some sort of tragic back story that makes them less villainous. 4) Gender, Sexuality, Non nuclear family structures, race is some woven into the naritive. Not all, but at least one or two of these. 5) the female protagonists only significant flaw is the toxic men surrounding her. Most of the established heros by the end of phase 3 had earned their status. They had flaws that they had to overcome or minimize. Tony Stark started out egotistical and selfish. Even creating the arc reactor and iron man suits were self preservation. In End game his motivations are still slightly selfish, but his preservation and motives now extend to his daughter. An argument could be made that he sacrificed himself willingly to ensure she lived. The rest of the Universe was just an added bonus.
6) There is a pandering scene to lesbians that will easily be cut out for china. Its so often and in your face, it gets absurd. Also no healthy hetro relationships are allowed in these movies. Gay men dont exist in the MCU escept as swish effinate clowns.
It would've been fine if the MCU had decided to BOTCH Iron Heart (Cause her character DOESN'T SELL, nobody wants her around) and decided the successor to Iron Man would be BIG FUCKING SHOCKER, HIS DAUGHTER! If the plan had been to just NOT have an Iron Man so she could grow up, develop along with the other heroes, and then take up an identity INSPIRED by her father, but still her OWN that would have been AWESOME. Instead we'll probably just never see her again, and if we do it'll be Pepper being an action hero all of a sudden and fighting an entire gang by herself to rescue her or something. (Her joining the Endgame fight was fine, it was actually kinda cool even, but she's NOT a soldier or anything on the day to day.) What we're gonna get is insanely genius young black girl out of NOWHERE that before she's even been introduced made an IMPOSSIBLE machine with NO build up, resources or.... Huh. She basically BUILT THIS IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS! Only unlike Tony, she pulled COMPLETELY new technology out of her ass, while Tony had already built an arc reactor way earlier, and in fact needed to make a much better one after he got back to his lab to replace the hunk of junk he built out of scraps. Over time he continued to iterate the design, and eventually he perfected it, removing the last of the damaging traits. A vibranium detector with NO vibranium as a school project? Yeah, just whip that up, sure, why the fuck not? Remember how when Peter was introduced his super suit was basically a modified track suit? Then when Tony provided him with a state of the art suit made from the resources at HIS disposal Peter was so insanely impressed he actually started to lean on the suit's amazing features TOO much to the point Tony took it back, then Peter had to learn it has to be HIM that's amazing, not the suit and went to the big climax of the movie wearing his track suit? Good times.
I’ve actually unwittingly read a few sci fi/fantasy books from feminist authors recently. What I have noticed is a trend of narcissism. In all their books the women are physically and intellectually superior to men, yet they tend to be held back or submissive to the “toxic” make power structure. When reading you get the feeling that the author believes that if it weren’t for men then women and the entire earth would be this perfect utopia. It’s actually hard to finish reading these books because every interaction between man and woman is the same formula (he’s evil, shes virtuous, she’s stronger and smarter, yet she acts like a slave to the male power structure of society,) there’s a lot more in leaving out but when you’re aware of it you see these writers SUCK and are promoted/hired based on pushing this agenda. Same with these movies.
@@bcroyceart as someone who reads quite a lot of fantasy, it's very important to just stay far the fuck away from a book once you catch that scent. And it's not like you CAN'T have a story where PROPER feminism is actually appropriate. There's a series that I very much like called Beneath the Dragon Eye Moons. It's about a girl that's reincarnated into another world, and in this more primitive society women have it pretty shit, almost NO rights. BUT while the main character is understandably pissed about this, especially as she IS a girl, she also just has to accept she can't change it and just opts to live the best life she can. The books aren't preachy, they don't DENIGRATE men either. There are a LOT of really good male role models in this series. Honestly this series is a great example of how to write a feminist character CORRECTLY. That is to have a CLEAR injustice and have her seek out a way to solve it, but also not having that BE the story. This story is NOT about her changing the system, nearly the entire series she's working WITHIN the system and the sexism is just the occasional "for fuck's sake, just let me withdraw my money". The main character also isn't a Mary Sue at all, she has her niche and she's great at THAT, but outside that niche she's basically a chump and she knows it. It's actually a great series, I recommend it. It's lengthy, there's like 7 or 8 books and counting, but it's consistently well written throughout.
I'm a black man from the hood that is conscious and got all the checkmarks you need to be in the club. You are right sir. This film was trash. I concur 🤦
This was a slow moving slog of a story. Those arms on Angela Bassett though...🔥🔥🔥. Didn't like her character arc...but she was the only thing keeping me from falling asleep in the theater. Such a wonderful and gifted actress who is so fit it blows my mind. Much respect!
I was telling my friend about the plot to this movie, and at some point I got on to the fact that Virbranium seems to also be used as a power source for much of the tech in the movie. We then went down the rabbit hole about how that means it must be radioactive while also being stable, which is impossible. It really is just a magic metal at this point and it is very frustrating how the people who write these movies just hand wave even basic science in their world building.
see I was also stunned by the saying shuri is smarter than tony but not addressing the fact she has magic metal that does everything and tony managed to synthesize an element that can roughly do the equivalent and block the effect of infinity stones. How is that a comparison, there is no doubt shuri is a genius but she is more privileged than tony shes royalty from a rich country with access to magic metal and they regularly send out spies to spy on other countries and take in information they have learned. What the hell are people doing here.
In a way Disneys portrayal of these civilizations is pretty accurate. Self-sustaining civilizations with ridiculous amounts of resource who were conquered or driven away because they were too incompetent.
Actually they might be MORE racist than history this time. Why? Well because as many resources as Africa had, it always missed 1 very important resource. FERTILE LAND. There's a reason Europeans managed to conquer all of the Americas before they got all that far into Africa, and no it's not disease and it most certainly isn't because of Black People's efforts against them, if anything the Iberoamericans had many kingdoms that fought harder. It was irrigation. The colonization of Africa was dammed near impossible until proper irrigation allowed for larger settlements to start being built. So why then do I say this makes Wakanda more racist than you average portrayal of Russia? Well because Irrigation was also a solid reason why precolonial africa was so incompetent at nation building itself. Europeans weren't unique in their need for food and water. EVEYONE needs those things. So nations trying to build in Africa (with the exception of Egypt) found the lack of capacity to make strong cities a major source of societal disarray. And the 1 exception was surrounded by inarable desert on most sides and besieged by foreign powers, specially from the east, making it very hard to expand. But now let's look at Wakanda, they are shown on this film to have plenty of water, a whole damned megalake with input and output rivers that would be more than enough to sustain the country and even export to their neighbors. And not only do they have plenty of arable land, they also have vibranium fed hypercrops that could resist harsher conditions and more than enough of the other resources and tech needed for it. And yet they STILL have most rurals living in mud huts with dirt roads lacking proper connection, unpaved cities with thatch-roofed skyscraper-palaces surrounded by favelas, and a ton of other basic failures at nation building. Furthermore, most of the resources Africa has are similarly very hard to acquire and that's why they didn't matter until much later, but Vibranium practically drived itself to the surface looking for you, it is THE easiest to obtain metal EVER. Wakanda should have become an imperial power in the BRONZE AGE, be a contender for Marvel's version of Alexander the Great. Yet what are we shown? A miniscule, inexplicably isolationist, glorified 3rd world country STILL ruled by a dictatorial absolutist monarchy despite not having any of the issues Africans had historically. Geographical determinism can explain at least a major part of Africa's incapacity to nation build. Yet that same determinism says Wakanda should be as large and powerful as USA.
I’m going out on a limb here and saying that this movie struck a nerve, given the truly brobdingnagian levels of snark coming through here. God, I adore the dry snark. “The standards are so good, you just can’t help but double them.” Thank you again for your efforts to make entertainment entertaining and intelligent again.
funnily enough the actor portraying Namor actually said in an interview that the bulge picture is the doctored photo and that the "shrunk" photo is actually a real on set photo
And yet, Disney is reporting that this movie saved the downward spiral of movies at the theaters. It only goes to show you that there are some people who will eat crap for a meal and walk away thinking they ate a meal fit for a king. People can be very easily manipulated.
Nah, it's underperforming badly. It will make hundreds of millions less than the first movie. While the death of the actor should have made it make more money. Similarly to what happened to Fast and Furious 7.
I assumed they were Sea Mayans, not Sea Aztecs. But if they were so badly defined I guess that point doesn't really matter. They already made a superficial scramble for Wakanda, makes sense they'd do the same on the other side of the Atlantic.
Yeah, they were of Mayan descent or Sea Mayans, but who cares the point is that the movie sucks, although he sounds pretty ignorant about that, he conveys the message.
Damn I was hoping you where going to point out when the freeky fish people say they don't wanna be found out by the world and how ridiculous that is. Due to the fact that shield had a map that we see at the end credits of Iron Man 2 that set up Black Panther and Namor. Just because it happened 11 years ago doesn't mean the fans will just forget
WOAH. this is the first time ive ever heard someone say what i thought about black panther. Its an African Americans pipe dream that Africa is some monolithic monolinguistic fancy land. Don't get me wrong I'm African and love Africa, but its absolutely delirious how that portrayed what looks to central eastern Africa
So I haven't watched Marvel movies in some time now, and EFAP and this channel keeps confirming that I made a good choice. But I have to ask: If I follow what you said correctly, Namor heared Shuri say she wants to burn the world down because her brother died. The writers want to use this as an argument for why he would think it is logical that Namor asks her to help him since he hates the world as well? Because that quite literally translates into "a loved one died of cancer therefore genocide." It is complete insanity.
In the movie she says that, out of nowhere, making her look like a lunatic because she has no justified reason to burn the World down. Her brother died of an illness, not some conflict with another state or smth. She also never acts on it anyways, because marvel heroes these days never do smth wrong (that's why Civil war had gripping plot) - it's a nonsense line. Especially because after that scene she goes to america to save a person she doesnt even know who build the detector. Why? Because you have to please the hero trope and sentences uttered before the plot driving scenes have no meaning anyways...
@@Maggisoo I get being angry at "the world" when bad stuff happens like a loved one dying of disease. There is no real target for the anger so people just project it outwards in a general way. People lash out in those cases and make statements like that as a short-term coping mechanism. But for Namor to take it as "she probably would agree to genociding everyone" would mean the dude has serious issues reading social cues and relating to people.
One thing that bothers me greatly with modern movie and television is how everyone, from the heroes to the villains, seem to just possess knowledge they should not in order to progress and often accelerate the "plot." It is as though they have taken a moment to watch the film before we did. It leads to the whole thing feeling utterly contrived.
To be fair to the little mermaid, it seemed when i watched it that she didn't die from sadness, but just old age (while being sad), and chubby fish child was just still a fish child many years later. Can you imagine puberty lasting for decades? No wonder he wanted to destroy the whole world.
In order to flood Queen Ramonda's thrown which is high up on the Bashenga mountain above the statue of the panther goddess Bast, which Wakanda is already 1100 feet above sea level and landlocked with no river channels (proven in previous MCU movies shown in maps) with only the lake Turkana it shares with Kenya, all of Wakanda would have had to be submerged; effectively killing all its inhabitants. Not to mention there's not enough gallons of water in Lake Turkana to pull that off anyway.
The water explosive was placed directly in the throne room, with each explosive already being shown to have access to enough water to fully displace an automobile going at high speed. 6-8 of those were launched directly at the Queen, breaking the floor glass and largely filling that underneath space in the building with water. The whole city wasn't submerged
@@Igwecala-xm3dg it didn't make sense the water would have flown out. Her throne room was on Mount Bashenga. It was also stupid to have computer screens fixated on th windows that's not strategically logical. Wakanda is several hundred feet above sea level, land locked with only the lake by Kenya close to it. It made no sense for Namor and his people to even GET there from the ocean. If all that water got there inexplicably then many people were drowned and yet they didn't show anything of that sort
The scuba suits thing was actually set up. It was a callback to the earlier scene where the Americans were using them, and Namor killed them. So, normally they wouldn't have equipment to take Shuri to their underwater city, but because they happened to kill two Americans with those suits, Namor could let her use one of them.
PLEASE the bit about harry potter being shot out of the death star yelling “it’s morbin’ time 😈” is one of the funniest thing’s i’ve ever heard uttered on this platform. well done, 10/10 lmao
As mexican, I have to say, once again, aztecs were landlocked. This earthling Na'vi are all mayans, who were actually close to the sea. It's like mixing up greek and roman culture.
Sucks that literally the only character they had slightly developed died before they could use him to make a sequel. So we now have heaps of undeveloped cookie cutter characters to make a movie out of
It still amazes me how good Draco Malfoy is at film critique. I remain distracted by the fact that in the "Rings of Power - Bad Lore and Worse Writing" video our host, Mr. Malfoy, actually exclaimed "Oh my giddy aunt". (Which was awesome, BTW)
It's crazy how if they just wrote riri to NOT get captured and shuri to be alone to exp,ain why namor is being so soft with shuri bc he wants her to convince wakanda to hand her over
“The standards are so good you can’t help but double them” First time I come across this phrase, made me lol at work. I’ll do my best to use it at least once somewhere (I mean, apart from this post).
The solve I would have for the same plant giving slightly different powers would be that one was grown in a dessert and one was basically grown in the water. If they derived their fuel for growth from the biological matter they were exposed to. one got it's supply from decaying mammal and the other largely from fish or other oceanic life.
The movie is so woke that female characters can kill innocent male cops without consequences (Riri), can survive vibranium-smashing water bombs in the face (Okoye), beat up multiple big men easy and continue fighting after a spear impalement right thru the spine (Shuri). Girl power!
Idk bout the cop thing but most male characters have done this and okoye is apart of the Dora Milaje she’s trained to beat down men besides many male characters have fought through impalement
@@henkhenkste6076 When they used Stan Lee's account after he passed to promote what ever it was I was fucking done with Marvel or comics or anyting in that department. Whom ever made that descion is insane...
This actually brings me back to the logic fail of the Winter Soldier show: "So... Wakanda didn't demand the US extradite their leader's assassin to face Wakandan justice. Falcon released said assassin, who subsequently escapes even US justice. Rather than lose their collective sh^^, end cooperation with all US agents, and demand both Falcon and Buckey be taken into custody; Wakanda instead makes a super suit for one of the *US* soldiers responsible; out of their exclusive strategic resource. Where tf is this supposed to make sense?"
Wakanda was a third world country, that had nothing of value, and did nothing but be poor to the world during CA: Winter Soldier. And King T'Chaka wasn't the only one killed by the blast either. On what grounds would the perceived bottom country on the planet have pull to call for an extradition, from the US, above everyone else? Beyond that, let's tell the truth here; Bucky Barnes returned Zemo to Wakanda and The Raft, and in thanks for that, called in his favor to deliver Sam Wilson another Captain America suit. Crying just to cry, smh
You have somehow become one of my favourite unwind channels, love it. I watched this movie knowing there would be a Little Platoon video coming out soon👌🏾
Honestly if I had to choose between saving my country and some random girl I just met I’m choosing my country’s safety first. Sorry riri. Even Killmonger said the old Kings would have let Namor kill her. As they probably should have.
Not really, the past kings have made difficult choices in the past but they wouldn’t hand in an innocent person for slaughter. The government took Riri’s invention and used it beyond its intended purpose, so to have her shoulder the entire blame is idiotic
@@BlueBlazeKingirrelevant, if in the same way she was threatening Wakanda’s existence they would kill her. Only difference is that Wakanda has already came out to the world, and have no reason kill her as her machine wouldn’t be exposing anything not known
I used to be annoyed that marvel acted like New York is the only city that exists, but given what has happened to the mcu since, let them just stay quarantined there!
That's why I adore the Marvel Netflix series, lived in and familiar but big enough for things to happen without breaking everything and small enough for characters to interact
Honestly though, I agree completely with you. What always bothered me is that this society is apparently meant to be extremely advanced, much more so than most other nations on Earth, yet they keep themselves isolated from the entire world, and also choose their rulers by...fighting to the death with spears and loincloths? Seriously? They have flying cars! But they fight with spears?
So eloquently explained why this film doesn't work. You really nailed it when you said, "why didn't the Talacons just kill the girl on the bride and leave the princess?" 😅 So true. But then we wouldn't have a 3 hour movie. 😂
Because as we find out at the end that was never Namors motive. Namors motive was to use her as leverage to force Wakanda into cooperation because he knows what is coming.
Because the machine was already built, Wakanda had the original machine in hand, and the US government already had RiRi's computer. You kill RiRi and leave the Princess, Shuri has a reason to replicate the detector on her own scale (think Mach 2 Iron Man compared to Mach 1), and the US government now has the outlines, to rebuild the machine that they have now confirmed can and has found Vibranium outside of Wakanda. Namor and the Talokanil, in stepping out on that action and in that way, would've screwed themselves.
29:17 The MCU is in absolute shambles, that crap right there killed me with laughter. I can only imagine the amount of pride the actor mustve had, when he realized his utility hose was so great they cgi-ed it out
It was a quick scene, but I believe Queen Ramunda (potentially) dies due to Michonne ( who we've seen doesn't like using Shuri's tech ) uses old fashioned tried and true chest compressions on her mother vs. Shuri placing the wakandan defibrillators on Riri. Nikea? Finnally touches her bracelet to the queen's To check her vitals but it's too late and Riri revives. Touching upon the failure of rescue attempts and crisis of decision making from the opening of the movie... It's also never addressed in the movie, ( so much drama left unexplored) but Michonne finally learns from her mistake when using the Midnight Angel weapon at the end of her arc.
The resuscitation scene felt weird because...you're supposed to free the drowning victim's nose and mouth from the excess water by tilting their face to the side and keeping their mouth open. It's even recommended to perform a Heimlich maneuver to remove water from their lungs and respiratory tract (and given that Riri started coughing up water after defibrillation, there WAS water in their lungs and mouth). But Okoye went straight to doing CPR on Ramunda without clearing her respiratory tract first (Riri was supposed to be dead too, tbh). This is why I didn't find the scene tragic because I felt like Ramunda's death was totally preventable, the plot just decided she should die for the drama.
Not defending the movie, the movies inability to explain this is a definite failure on it's part and is inexcusable. I just want to point out that, in the comics, a sudden mood or motivation shift for Namor like this is reasonable When Namor is out of the water he is subject to massive mood shifts and stuff, so much so that he can go from Hero to Villain in an incredibly brief period of time Yes the films failure to show this is bad, yes that excuse in the comics in and of itself is pretty dumb, I'm just the messenger boy lol
Fair, but we can't let the movies get away with things by saying "It's in the comics!" when they turn around and throw out so much from the comics. Some changes are expected but they barely try sometimes.
@@BWMagus I 100% agree. As I said the movies inability to explain why Namor changes so much is a failure on the movies part, I'm just explaining why this would be happening *from a comics perspective.* From a movies perspective this is happening because....reasons ig
So Namor does not have to be on a certain day of the month for that? Can it be the pollution in the air? The result of a fish being outside of salty water for too long?
Nothing todo with the film, but the comment: "the next train arriving in clown world will be the 11-51 west bullsh*t service to Wokkanda, , calling at Lol, what the F**k, you can't be serious and wokanda", is an artifact of sarcasm so masterfully delivered, it should be place on a plaque at the British museum where classes of school children can be taken to see it on school trips, so that their teachers can point out exactly what real sarcasm is! Thereby improving the wit and eriudition of an entire generation!
Real history: the Aztecs were not massacred by the Spanish, like most think. The Spanish allied with enemies of the Aztecs, who had been tyrants and genocidal in their own right. When the Spanish gave them the chance for revenge, they literally couldn't stop their allies from massacring the Aztecs because there was decades of hatred towards the Aztec. They were a savage culture, and by the time the Spanish arrived, they were already having crop troubles and making human sacrifices more than ever to try and appease their gods for a good harvest.
I believe it might've been Mauler who first popularized the use of those Marvel gifs - he makes excellent use of the clip of Tony rolling his eyes in Avengers. I know TLP has featured on some podcasts with Mauler - don''t want to assume, but I wonder if this particular technique is TLP expanding on a very efficient (and very amusing) formula used by another British guy.
In Agents Of SHIELD, a faction of agents who had banded together after the agency fell in Cap 2, built a vibranium scanner small enough to fit in an RC model planted in the director's office to find Nick Fury's toolbox. This fall from grace...
for working class take downs of crap movies, TV shows and games we go to Diaspru and The Critical Drinker. For classy upper middle class takedowns complete with a dose of pure sarcasm, philosophical insights and an appreciation of aesthetics we go to Burke's little brother.
30:25 the Death Star suddenly showed up at the end of this film launching Harry Potter on a rainbow unicorn shouting "it's morbin time!!!" I might actually watch it if that happened.
There was ine scene where i wanted to rage out so hard but i couldnt because i was watching with my parent,it was when shuri decides to do a gymnastic flip after being impaled with a big stick 5 seconds ago
I really thought that Juri and namor during her visit to takola where mutual antoginist. Juri wanted to visit NOt Namor's 'city' to try to undersantd him. He was trying to get something out of her and Juri knew this. It was a diplomatic visit, not a shipping one. The gift from Namor was to remind her of that visit and something that they might have had in common, which they didnt of course, but that was Namor's blunder.
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"When the standards are so good, you can't help but double them". Great line mate
Came here to say exactly this! 🙌😄
Imma continue this chain ... I applaud this 👏🏾👏🏾
That caught me off guard and I loved it.
Marvel WISHED that they had enough brains to write that line. It's so fucking brilliant. Infinitely re-quotable
Cheers
"Picking an Aztec for your antihero in your anticolonial tale is, well, it's a choice" is a hilarious point
to be fair, the Aztecs did their fair share of empire building and colonialism. One of the reasons why the Hernan Cortes' conquistadors were so successful against the Aztec Empire, despite being severely outnumbered was that all of the Aztec's neighbors hated the Aztecs because of the chronic warmongering they engaged in. At the siege of Tenochtitlan the Aztecs were outnumbered despite the Spanish only have hundreds of soldiers, because there were tens of thousands of natives fighting with the Spanish against the Aztecs.
Yeah that's why I thought the point was hilarious and agreed with it. They were really pushing the anticolonialism point yet they made their antihero a member of an empire that actively used colonialism. You would think using one of the groups conquered by the Aztecs might have been a better choice.@@colbunkmust
@@colbunkmust And the Aztecs had a cultural "Human sacrifice," problem that hardly made them the good guys when the Conquistadors arrived. That was one cringy problem with the Woke, "Europe Bad, Everyone else, good," problem with historical discussions.
There was a scene in Eternals about Cortes sacking Tenochtitlan in 1525 . One eternal called it "genocide," and wanted to intervene to save the human sacrificing Aztecs, from the bad Conquistadors. The others agreed to stay neutral.
It's almost like EVERY DAMN CIVILIZATION THROUGHOUT HISTORY participated in "muh colonialism" if they had the means to do it. But oh no wait only baddy bad whites did, everyone else was a total saint who never attacked and conquered others whatsoever, my bad
@@bl8388Aztec Empire was horrible, but using human sacrifice as an excuse for genocide and plunder is quite a twisted rhetoric. Imagine Chinese Empire genociding Europe because they waged war and burned people at the stake. Not to mention Spaniards didn’t restrict mass murder and enslaving to Aztecs, but they treated the natives they “saved” from Aztecs pretty much the same. Conquistadors are clear cut villains in this story, no matter how bad Aztecs were.
Thanos *Invades Earth twice. *Kills half the Talokan population
Namor: .......
Girl* invents machine
Namor: "Oh, so you choose death!?"
@Victor Nieves half his population disappearing in ash wouldn’t be cause for concern 🤔
Also, if Namor wanted Talokan to stay hidden...why launch such a violent attack on researchers that would leave them looking for culprits and launch an investigation? Hypnotize them by singing, relocate their ship somewhere far away from the vibranium (without them having any memory of how that even happened), damage their equipment and surveillance cameras, and leave them clueless about WTF was that. Then reach out to Wakanda for help with protecting their secrets and strike a mutually beneficial agreement without having to threaten or kill anyone.
@@junebugsolariswhat if he disappeared in the blip too, we don't know cuz they never actually show us the impact it had on universe in a believable way, just few dialogues here and there. Hell in the very next film after endgame, spiderman 2, they were all joking about it
@Victor Nieves no he wouldn’t have. Namor literally spends all his time in the ocean. Plus, who’s to say Namor wouldn’t be so stricken with grief and anger that he would actively deny what people were saying just to attack the surface world. He attacked the surface for FAR LESS in the comics. No excuses. Shit writing and world building is shit. This movie is a completely crapfest.
Clearly Dr Strange was holding back the Aztec fish in endgame because they would have ruined his plan.
"When a fish and a guy, breeds a child that can fly, that's Namoooore-ay!" I couldn't resist.
Lol
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I’m assuming you know where the door is? :)
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Namor's plan was basically to prevent getting mugged by putting a gun to his own head and threatening the mugger to throw away their gun or he shoots.
Worked in Blazing Saddles.
Namor's plan was actually pretty straightforward; attack and destabilize the surface world.
The only limit is whether his army was actually as large as he claimed it to be.
Because if it is, most of the world's population is either coastal or near river/tributary water systems, and Namor would be able to wreck shit basically everywhere until folks figured out the breathers
@@michaelplowman8674Beat me to it
"most of you have more than 3 braincells"
I actually felt honoured from this statement. Thank you good sir
I am blessed to have an unusually intelligent comment section by TH-cam standards.
@@TheLittlePlatoon To be fair, having a slime mold in your comments sections fulfills that criterion equally well, but we appreciate the vote of confidence anyway
I'm not a native English speaker, but I'm pretty sure it's "honoured *by* your statement". I'm taking away one of your honourary brain cells, leaving you with only 3.
@@Nr4747 Damn it!!
Defeated once again from English vocabulary.
@@TheLittlePlatoon I want to admit that I didn't know that Black Panther 1 and 2 was a racist stereotype of indigenous tribes within Africa. I honestly thought they were just keeping in check with the comic book lore and TV show lore of The Black Panther. I honestly thought they were just sticking close to the actual OG lore of Black Panther with some creative liberties taken. I did not know they actually tried to base the fictional country of Wakanda in the fictional Universe of the Marvel series on the actual indigenous tribes within the real country of Africa! That is honestly really distasteful, disrespectful, foolish, and absolutely embarrassing. I'm actually ashamed that I even enjoyed the 1st movie back then. At least I know now and I will try to keep it in mind in the future. Thank you very much @TheLittlePlatoon for letting me know, I appreciate it a lot.😁👍💖☺️🌷🌺
Turns out it wasn't Wakanda Forever, but Wakanda For a Limited Time Only.
"Wakanda sometimes" - The Cosmonaut Variety Hour.
"Wakanda For Two Hours and 41 Minutes (!?)"
I know I’m watching the right videos when Muff Twerkin is here too
Wakanda Whatever.
Wakanda must go! Buy buy buy!
I honestly think they used Bozeman's death just to fill seats.
I don't doubt that his costars were saddened by the loss but this feels like "The Crow:City of Angels" all over again but with an insane budget.
I think there’s definitely an aspect of that, and otherwise of them struggling to add it into an existing story without really smoothing out the edges.
@@TheLittlePlatoon "and some how it's awesome and wonderful that white people are crying to." That's story telling today, emotional fluff with no solid story telling. Boseman died, tchalla didn't.
I think so too. It’s incredibly scummy, and the reason I didn’t watch it, I think they actually went ahead and turned his death into a marketing gimmick.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Wakanda Forever is the best Marvel movie of the Year, it's better than no Way Home - Browntable say this as aa Spiderman fanboy
@@suzygirl1843 They were bought and sold by Disney as the newest shill, I guess?
You missed the part where Nakia doesn't let Shuri save the female smurf guard with magical balls because if she had the plot wouldn't have moved forward with waging war
Damn it, you’re right!
The whole movie would be over if the ambush on the bridge actually led to Riri being killed, the very thing Namor wanted Shurri to do. But nah, Namor changed his mind and wants to war with the surface world instead of stay hidden.
The fact that you thought of the "magical balls" yet completely chose to ignore the actual utility of the magical balls is hilarious
literally. i was like wtf is this
Chadwick shouldnt be remembered for one role just because it was his most popular, he has done other roles and actions/quotes that are as much more inspiring than black panther. It makes me incredibly mad that the media AND the public only remembers him for it, the man was even visibly getting exhausted (in each photos) of doing the wakanda salutation pose with fans.
Or he was getting exhausted because cancer drains your energy...
Lmao maybe because it the role that blew it up
I, probably like many others, only knew him in his T'Challa role and clips on TH-cam
@@Onyxxu20Also the Spike Lee Vietnam Film about Gold etc! With Fishbourne & 2 from The Wire (Quality n one of the Best series Ever!) etc!
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with remembering Chadwick as the Black Panther in Marvel movies, no doubt he was in better movies than BP1. As long as he got proper tribute for being an accomplished person both as an amazing actor and someone who used his platform to make a positive impact in the lives of young people. I’m still remembering him visiting terminally ill children while he was privately battling that same illness. Chadwick Boseman was a treasure, and he will be missed by fans for sure.
Its funny in a rather morbid sense to think about how these people in their scramble to appear inclusive and not racist end up being toxic and racist
Brings me back to when Extra Credits did a video on orcs and black people being essentially one in the same 🤣
And how the female She-Hulk writers managed to make their female hero have all the worst female stereotypes and claim she is enlightened and empowered. If a man had written that drivel, feminists, and also actual women, would've been pretty upset and justifiably so. Jen is both unprofessional and incompetent while simultaneously being better than Hulk at everything with no effort or training. 🙄
It'd be funny if I didn't like Black Theater so much. They used to actually try to say something. This is Glorified Regression dressed up as Inclusion. Shame on them.
good old horseshoe theory.
"These people" ... who, exactly? This video calls out tropes and SJW's, seemingly unaware of how it is doing the 'anti-sjw' trope.
I think that one of the funniest things about Black Panther is that Richard Spencer has come out in full support of Wakanda since he too believes in the idea of a supremacist, isolationist ethno state
Which is rather accurate for fascism; Germany never wanted to rule the world, there's a reason they were friends with Japan.
A violent One at that to
@@BWMagus Technically Germany and Japan were allies by circumstances
Neither one of them were going to stick their necks out for one another and they even worked in opposition to each other too
German officers training Chinese soldiers in the early 1930s is a great example of this
@@BWMagus wtf does Fascism have to do with Germany?
@@jon2067 Good question
Germany wasn't Fascist it was National Socialist
Who doesn’t on occasion wake up and randomly want to go to war with the world? That’s like a Monday morning for me.
Thats was all of Germany in the 1900s
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Eh, the 17th century world as a whole could wipe the floor with that;
The second half of the 80 Years' War, & the French Wars of Religion- that had begun in the previous century, the 30 Years' War (which Churchill considered the closest thing to a world war, before the Great War- along with the later 7 Years' War); this included the Wars of the Three Kingdoms (which *_also_* included the *3* English Civil Wars- which even expanded into America for a hot minute with the Battle of the Severn, plus the concurrent events in Scotland & Ireland), the Anglo-Dutch Wars, the Franco-Spanish Wars, & the start of the Jacobite Rebellions - & **all** of that is not including all the conflicts *outside* of Great Britain & Central & Western Europe; whatever inter-kingdom conflicts were happening in the East, Africa, the Americas, & Asia- & I have no doubt it was *a lot*
I'm not sure there was _a single year_ in the 17th Century where there was no conflict involving one or more major nations - & if I recall correctly, the 19th century was known as the Age of Revolution, so it seems like things were not much better 200 years on...
@@Hippo_Hegemony Franco-Prussian war, kinda provoked by a Prussian chancellor but started by the French. What else?
@@Hippo_Hegemony You kinda get a grudge against everyone ... if other nations continulously use your country as a stage for war and march through it for centuries. "Germany" hadnt existed until 1871 ... mostly because of Austria being a bunch of awful idiots (they proved useless in the early 20th century and lost their big empire due to not being able to "create a feeling of community among the different cultures and instead forcing compliance".
Btw. ... Britain went to war with every place they encountered ... and so did Spain when it was their turn in the New World, so why do "you people" only ever mention Germany?
@@Свободадляроссии The French kinda started this almost a century earlier ... when Napoleon started marching through Europe (except Britain and Skandinavia). Incidentally ... the French Revolution is also the birthplace of something that Germany gets also blamed for, because the "EMOTIONAL SOLVING OF PROBLEMS" (by chopping off heads) / eliminating a social caste "because they are that social caste" ... is proto-communism.
Why didnt the film decide to link tchala's death with the main plot? Have him investigate the new under water vibranium source only to be mysteriously killed by vibranium.
Then have an arc where they suspect each other then tie it into namor's introduction as a character. Even put a crown on his head or something when hes introduced.
Then the audience and the characters both have a reason to see naymore lose.
Because Boseman was the center of the universe built for Wakanda (and a fair bit of the MCU), and Boseman being gone had real consequences that should rightfully be explored.
When a patriarch falls, the reverberations from that should be all encompassing.
So they did that, and still told their fresh and new story
@@Igwecala-xm3dg" Story"
Also one thing you didn't talk about that bugged the hell out of me, when Shuri and Riri escape from Not Atlantis, neither of them are wearing pressurized suits (which previously allowed them to enter Not Atlantis without being crushed due to water pressure) and they're both kinda just hanging onto the side of the pod. Going up vs going down doesn't change the fact that water pressure is water pressure and will crush you into a fine paste when you go past a certain point.
assuming you survive the crushing pressure and get to relatively shallow depths, it still has huge effects on organs. not to mention the bends and how lethal that is
And even if they somehow could withstand the pressure down there, and even if they were in a pressure suit, the rapid ascend would kill them. Just ask any diver about decompression sickness.
Like that ocean gate subvessel.... 💀
It’s almost like you missed the person that rescued them bringing in a mini sub💀you don’t need a pressure suit when ur in a submersible
@@Chief_kemosabe Sure, except they were dangling outside of the mini sub which defeats the entire purpose of having a mini sub.
Question that just popped into my head; if Namor and his people were stronger than the Conquistadors, and did beat the ones who came for their village without much of a struggle… then how come the Conquistadors still won?
Ummmm ........
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_Obviously_
another question: What do you think namors' people made of that snap a few years ago that wiped out half their population?
I took away from the film that namor had decided it was more important to keep building his society in secret during which he did build a massive army so I think he was thinking more long term
@@LyfeWithJoy You need to keep your society a secret if you’re threatened by the outside world. The sea is 95% unexplored, Namor would have a huge advantage, because he can reach depths not even robots can handle, let alone human beings. He can cause tidal waves, he can drown a country’s navy, and he has the advantage that he can pop in and out of the water without any warning, with the same ease.
And that’s for the 21st century, it would be even easier back then.
To be fair, the Death Star launching Harry Potter on a rainbow unicorn would probably liven up this film.
It should be the rainbow bridge ... and a regular "winged horse" (not a pegasus, because norse isnt greek mythology).
AS long as Harry goes akimbo too...
If you mod Rainbow Unicorn Attack this could be a reality...
read "HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" on fanfiction.
@@peposo7 double wand double the chaos
"The standards are so good, u can't help but double them"- Literally the reason why I watch this man
On the "it was smart to burn the magic Wakandan flower", you can see the exact problem with the super soldier serum. It used to be "it only worked on Cap and the only man who could make it was killed". It gave Cap a unique quality and history. But then Disney decided that any random person could make more and now "super soldiers" are a dime a dozen and nobody cares anymore because it's just an excuse to give random schmucks with no backstory superpowers.
Makes a mockery of the red room, Red skull and Red guardian. Captain being subjected to a painful life altering experiment. Fuck it, everyone can be a super soldier. It isn't that special. The one scientist who created the serum is dead but someone else figured it out
it was very special in wwii... but in 60 years why would you think no one would recreate that? super soldiers arent supposed to be special. thats why cap died, his time in is done, he wouldnt be much help now
yeah and Hulk being (in the 2008 film at least) a failed attempt to recreate it
@johnhughes2124 exactly. Captain America was special bc he was good. Red skull was the first super soldier. Bucky wasnt even the second. Does everyone forget the 6 Russian super soldiers? Cap served to inspire. Remember visions speach in age of ultron?
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"thats why cap died, his time in is done, he wouldnt be much help now"
Why?
Why would a brave, highly trained resourceful, and experienced person , with superhuman strength and stamina, and a vibranium shield, be not much help now?
This is the kind of films that would be considered mediocre 10 years ago. But it is considered decent now a days because of how far our standards have fallen in the quality of movie making.
When the AI tells Rammonda that Shuri's kidnappers spoke "Maya" i almost bursted out laughing cause Maya isn't a single language it is a language family, it would be like getting captured by Russian mobsters and the AI says they spoke "Slavic".
Perhaps the silly thing is that according to the producers, Namor and the Talokans speak Yucatec Maya that is the same as the Mayans who still live in the Yucatan peninsula, How an isolated civilization speaks the same way as natives who have been affected by outside influences?
It also doesn't help Namor's actor Tenoch Huerta is basically Killmonger but Latino pontificating on how "dark-skinned" people have only been casted as Drug Dealers in American movies.
My thing is why are the Atlantians, of Greek and Roman inspiration Aztec? How does that puzzle together.
they spoke yucatec maya because they were part of an ancient civilization on the surface. they were part of Palenque.
@@josephwilliams9030 Greek were too white perhaps for this movie? Or they wanted something more relatable for modern audiences in America? They did end up trying to follow Spanish colonists as per history in that area but writer probably just didn't know what Hispanics are and Spanish sound European.
@@josephwilliams9030 honestly I feel that it as its own thing (an Aztec inspired Atlantis) is fine and creatively fresh, it’s not like they said they were THE Atlantians from Greek Myth
Grats on such a perceptive and accurate comment 👍
Apparently, the AI in Phase 4 is also dumber than in previous versions... 🙄
Jarvis would've said something along the lines of: _"They appear to be speaking an archaic dialect of Mayan origins"_
Unfortunately, this film feels the need to "dumb it down" for the audience.
One thing I want to add is. I watched this movie in South Africa the country where the Wakandan language came from. During the death scene people in my theater laughed because of how bad the accent they were speaking with
Wish I could go to that theater. Mine was full of people crying for someone they never even knew.
@@israelhernandez5431 you don't have to know them to cry . it's called being invested to the actors playing the character , just like when fans everywhere cried for spiderman and all the heroes they think died in Infinity War and dont even know them .. they are invested !
@@patrickbell5875 yea Idk. I only when cry when someone I know personally dies like friends or family. I just don’t understand but to each his own.
@@israelhernandez5431 well I guess but you can't only think for yourself. Ppl cry during films all the time from different things
Tbh if they spoke in an original African accent I don’t think Americans would be able to understand. I mean here people could speak perfect English but with a thick accent and still be accused of not knowing English
I’ve noticed something about American writers view on Africa. It is completely defined by their own origins or their view in black people of US. Who are in no way, shape or form are representative of African cultures. They tend to view Africa as a continent of black people, not a continent of multiple cultures (except cosmetic differences). They are one in the end, and when they war, it’s civil war. Essentially writers are “Warmongers” - they consider all black people as “black brothers”, while brutality African nations engaged with each other easily exceeds anything Europeans did to them directly (we consider European and American slavery horrific, but African tribes sold slaves centuries before to Arabs in such quantity that buyers practiced castration of slaves with insane mortality rates because of how cheap and plentiful slaves were). There were some line akin to “white people brought immorality to this shores” in Woman King, and that is not true. People were monsters to each other since a dawn of time, and no place were utopian paradise, and less advanced place is, less humane we are there to others.
Furthermore, as much as it sucks to admit this, but the evil white colonialists were the ones that STOPPED alot of that--the British FORCED the African empires to end slavery. They (and other European powers) instituted courts, schools, some concept of public health, and a modern legal system. This isn't to say they weren't also dicks, but indeed, they came to a land where slavery and genocide was the norm and put a stop to it. You can say it was a lateral move, one form of slavery for another, but at least it gave them the tools to follow in Europe's footsteps into a more just future. They sadly are throwing that away because "fuck whitey."
Africa is incredibly culturally rich. Cultures that are not connected to african american culture.
Even though what you said its true,you skipped a very important part, where a lot of those leaders are in power because ,foreign countries and big companies, some directly others through governments, put them there,just a few months ago look at what happen in niger 😂,do you think its just niger,look at what BP is doing in Nigeria?😂😂,and about slavery well,it happen all over the world all races have done it,we are not special.
But for Americans, the world doesn't matter, only America matters. So they think everything begun and ended with them, including slavery. And also American blacks are black supremacists, they are a step away from donning black robes with masks and burning white people alive.
Another question: why does Namor forbid them from saying his name…if he already killed the man who named him?
Because he has ruled his people for over 400 years by staying in the shadows, eliminating all threats, and being kept to legends, whispers, and fables to those not any threat.
Wakanda will keep to Wakanda, but imagine what would've happened had they been free to talk to even their ally, Everett Ross.
US has knowledge of the attack, they now have knowledge of a people present, they know where the detector sent and placed their ship... and they now have reason to head back with a battalion.
Battalion gets destroyed, and they lean on dropping a nuke
"Making Namor the origin of all mutants"...
Apocalypse would like a word.
yes 😂
"Cockless Winged Mexican" is my new favorite phrase.
I'm not a physics major but no way do those wings generate enough thrust to lift a fully grown man. At last Stark's suits have a veneer of plausibility
A debate in the comics for close to a century 😁
theyre magical
They also at super Sonic speeds probably
Asterix's winged helmet makes more sense than namor's winged feet.
@@Nawang013 theyre all based on hermes
Okay to add a little context to why M'Baku makes monkey noises: in the comics, M'Baku is the Man-Ape, a man in a gorilla suit much like how Rhino wears a rhino suit. Of course that would be too silly for the MCU, so they changed him.
So instead of a dude wearing a monkey suit doing such noises it's just a regular black and buffed dude doing monkey noises...
Yup, makes sense.
Didn't he kill and wear the Ape God's skin?
And that would be fine.
If he was still a gorilla based character instead of a seemingly normal african dude.
@@grandarkfang_1482 he got his strength from eating the Ape’s flesh and bathing in his blood and then wore the skin around. Which they left from the movie though that scene may have been really cool.
@@haku8135 his tribe and their attire are all gorilla themed, as a reference to his being Man-Ape. Hell, a gorilla statue is even on the mountain! They're the only ones that do it in the movie, so I think it's fine as a reference to the comics.
Believe me, I know this movie has MANY issues, the entire MCU does. But M'Baku and his tribe being gorilla themed is not one of them
I’m an East African and a huge cinefile and I really appreciate your critique, shame there’s not as much criticism coming from within the community. If you can call a billion people spread across multiple places and with many different (mostly stupid) beliefs a community ❤
Hiding behind the "I'm African, so I can talk shit about Africans in front of White people like a good ol boy" trope is almost sad to see
How can they say Namor means without love? His mother loved him, his people love him, he is surrounded by love and he loves his home and his people. That version of the name makes no sense.
when he is giving the backstory of his name he literally says his name is namor because he has no love for the surface world
A Spanish priest, seeing this flying child, who came out of the water, utterly destroy everything around him... is supposed to call the boy what?
The spawn of Satan. The child without the love of Christ.
Namor made utter sense
@purplehichew well that's fucking convenient, I have no love for rocks should I call myself Namor? Lmao
Which is stupid, considering his name is Roman spelled backwards, because he was modeled after a warped American idea of a generic Roman emperor.
i think it’s bc some conquistador in the movie when he was a child said “eres un niño sin amor” which means you are a child without love. he just took the “n” from “sin” and placed it in front of “amor” which i didn’t understand fr
Unfortunately the audience is so shallow that the movie did not need to earn any of its crying moments, I have seen in the theatre most people were weeping along while I was rolling my eyes about how revolting it is to use someone's death to sell a movie.....
What? Do you believe in ETHICS.
I used to 😔
The absolute state of ________.
Damn bro you still go to the movies? unless it's like Tarantino i know it's trash so i don't even bother. I haven't set foot in a cinema since The Force Awakens.
yet you were in the theater? 😂
Imagine watching this in the theater.
I haven't watched this yet. Because phase 4 has the following formula: 1)Former Male hero now has a highly skilled female hero that outshines them or matches their skill set with none of the 'negative' traits of personality.
2) Every significant female is strong and powerful.
3) The villian has some sort of tragic back story that makes them less villainous.
4) Gender, Sexuality, Non nuclear family structures, race is some woven into the naritive. Not all, but at least one or two of these.
5) the female protagonists only significant flaw is the toxic men surrounding her.
Most of the established heros by the end of phase 3 had earned their status. They had flaws that they had to overcome or minimize. Tony Stark started out egotistical and selfish. Even creating the arc reactor and iron man suits were self preservation. In End game his motivations are still slightly selfish, but his preservation and motives now extend to his daughter. An argument could be made that he sacrificed himself willingly to ensure she lived. The rest of the Universe was just an added bonus.
6) There is a pandering scene to lesbians that will easily be cut out for china. Its so often and in your face, it gets absurd. Also no healthy hetro relationships are allowed in these movies. Gay men dont exist in the MCU escept as swish effinate clowns.
It would've been fine if the MCU had decided to BOTCH Iron Heart (Cause her character DOESN'T SELL, nobody wants her around) and decided the successor to Iron Man would be BIG FUCKING SHOCKER, HIS DAUGHTER! If the plan had been to just NOT have an Iron Man so she could grow up, develop along with the other heroes, and then take up an identity INSPIRED by her father, but still her OWN that would have been AWESOME.
Instead we'll probably just never see her again, and if we do it'll be Pepper being an action hero all of a sudden and fighting an entire gang by herself to rescue her or something. (Her joining the Endgame fight was fine, it was actually kinda cool even, but she's NOT a soldier or anything on the day to day.) What we're gonna get is insanely genius young black girl out of NOWHERE that before she's even been introduced made an IMPOSSIBLE machine with NO build up, resources or.... Huh. She basically BUILT THIS IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!
Only unlike Tony, she pulled COMPLETELY new technology out of her ass, while Tony had already built an arc reactor way earlier, and in fact needed to make a much better one after he got back to his lab to replace the hunk of junk he built out of scraps. Over time he continued to iterate the design, and eventually he perfected it, removing the last of the damaging traits.
A vibranium detector with NO vibranium as a school project? Yeah, just whip that up, sure, why the fuck not?
Remember how when Peter was introduced his super suit was basically a modified track suit? Then when Tony provided him with a state of the art suit made from the resources at HIS disposal Peter was so insanely impressed he actually started to lean on the suit's amazing features TOO much to the point Tony took it back, then Peter had to learn it has to be HIM that's amazing, not the suit and went to the big climax of the movie wearing his track suit?
Good times.
I’ve actually unwittingly read a few sci fi/fantasy books from feminist authors recently. What I have noticed is a trend of narcissism. In all their books the women are physically and intellectually superior to men, yet they tend to be held back or submissive to the “toxic” make power structure.
When reading you get the feeling that the author believes that if it weren’t for men then women and the entire earth would be this perfect utopia. It’s actually hard to finish reading these books because every interaction between man and woman is the same formula (he’s evil, shes virtuous, she’s stronger and smarter, yet she acts like a slave to the male power structure of society,) there’s a lot more in leaving out but when you’re aware of it you see these writers SUCK and are promoted/hired based on pushing this agenda. Same with these movies.
@@bcroyceart as someone who reads quite a lot of fantasy, it's very important to just stay far the fuck away from a book once you catch that scent.
And it's not like you CAN'T have a story where PROPER feminism is actually appropriate. There's a series that I very much like called Beneath the Dragon Eye Moons. It's about a girl that's reincarnated into another world, and in this more primitive society women have it pretty shit, almost NO rights. BUT while the main character is understandably pissed about this, especially as she IS a girl, she also just has to accept she can't change it and just opts to live the best life she can. The books aren't preachy, they don't DENIGRATE men either. There are a LOT of really good male role models in this series.
Honestly this series is a great example of how to write a feminist character CORRECTLY. That is to have a CLEAR injustice and have her seek out a way to solve it, but also not having that BE the story. This story is NOT about her changing the system, nearly the entire series she's working WITHIN the system and the sexism is just the occasional "for fuck's sake, just let me withdraw my money". The main character also isn't a Mary Sue at all, she has her niche and she's great at THAT, but outside that niche she's basically a chump and she knows it. It's actually a great series, I recommend it. It's lengthy, there's like 7 or 8 books and counting, but it's consistently well written throughout.
Not exactly but some of that
“Black Panther 2: Wakandan Boogaloo” is gonna stuck in my head for a long time after this
because you've heard it on like 20 channels probably...
That joke has run its course
@@jd7337No it hasn't . I've just heard it now and love it . Wakandan Boogaloo it is .
"It's a bit like going to your best friends funeral and having the service periodically interrupted by a passing circus" Perfect
I'm a black man from the hood that is conscious and got all the checkmarks you need to be in the club. You are right sir. This film was trash. I concur 🤦
The Nokia tune faintly in the background whenever you talk about Nakia is a great addition that I had fun solving ;)
This was a slow moving slog of a story. Those arms on Angela Bassett though...🔥🔥🔥. Didn't like her character arc...but she was the only thing keeping me from falling asleep in the theater. Such a wonderful and gifted actress who is so fit it blows my mind. Much respect!
Isn’t she in her 60s? It’s really quite impressive.
@@TheLittlePlatoon yes she is money and good genes I'd guess
She's always had my eye since I was a child, she's been nothing but consistent in who she is and how she looks, especially her acting
Angela's arms are the best part of the movie. Also liked the movie where she had 3 breasts.
not bad for such an old guy
I was telling my friend about the plot to this movie, and at some point I got on to the fact that Virbranium seems to also be used as a power source for much of the tech in the movie. We then went down the rabbit hole about how that means it must be radioactive while also being stable, which is impossible. It really is just a magic metal at this point and it is very frustrating how the people who write these movies just hand wave even basic science in their world building.
They also hand wave logic, human nature, how people talk, etc etc. Besides, science is hard!
"But but but I said I love the Science! That's enough to make it all sciencey, right?"
I'd guess vibranium probably has some stable and some radioactive isotopes?
see I was also stunned by the saying shuri is smarter than tony but not addressing the fact she has magic metal that does everything and tony managed to synthesize an element that can roughly do the equivalent and block the effect of infinity stones. How is that a comparison, there is no doubt shuri is a genius but she is more privileged than tony shes royalty from a rich country with access to magic metal and they regularly send out spies to spy on other countries and take in information they have learned. What the hell are people doing here.
@@yourmumschancla3953 I caught that too, it’s all over the place man smh
I love how every clip of Bilbo is him flipping off the camera 😂😂
i hate that wakanda goes from seeming a world power nation to a tiny village of 200 people over and over
In a way Disneys portrayal of these civilizations is pretty accurate. Self-sustaining civilizations with ridiculous amounts of resource who were conquered or driven away because they were too incompetent.
Disney pretty much made a movie about a race war between Mexican and Black people. Oaxaca Forever!
@@vtecanddohc 😂😂
Actually they might be MORE racist than history this time. Why? Well because as many resources as Africa had, it always missed 1 very important resource. FERTILE LAND.
There's a reason Europeans managed to conquer all of the Americas before they got all that far into Africa, and no it's not disease and it most certainly isn't because of Black People's efforts against them, if anything the Iberoamericans had many kingdoms that fought harder.
It was irrigation. The colonization of Africa was dammed near impossible until proper irrigation allowed for larger settlements to start being built.
So why then do I say this makes Wakanda more racist than you average portrayal of Russia? Well because Irrigation was also a solid reason why precolonial africa was so incompetent at nation building itself. Europeans weren't unique in their need for food and water. EVEYONE needs those things. So nations trying to build in Africa (with the exception of Egypt) found the lack of capacity to make strong cities a major source of societal disarray. And the 1 exception was surrounded by inarable desert on most sides and besieged by foreign powers, specially from the east, making it very hard to expand.
But now let's look at Wakanda, they are shown on this film to have plenty of water, a whole damned megalake with input and output rivers that would be more than enough to sustain the country and even export to their neighbors. And not only do they have plenty of arable land, they also have vibranium fed hypercrops that could resist harsher conditions and more than enough of the other resources and tech needed for it.
And yet they STILL have most rurals living in mud huts with dirt roads lacking proper connection, unpaved cities with thatch-roofed skyscraper-palaces surrounded by favelas, and a ton of other basic failures at nation building.
Furthermore, most of the resources Africa has are similarly very hard to acquire and that's why they didn't matter until much later, but Vibranium practically drived itself to the surface looking for you, it is THE easiest to obtain metal EVER. Wakanda should have become an imperial power in the BRONZE AGE, be a contender for Marvel's version of Alexander the Great. Yet what are we shown? A miniscule, inexplicably isolationist, glorified 3rd world country STILL ruled by a dictatorial absolutist monarchy despite not having any of the issues Africans had historically.
Geographical determinism can explain at least a major part of Africa's incapacity to nation build. Yet that same determinism says Wakanda should be as large and powerful as USA.
As a Latin, I couldn't agree more with you
Eeeeeeee so so
"The standards are so good, you can't help but double them" Mate, that line was amazing XD
Agreed. A modern classic.
My dumb ESL ass took way too long to get it, but I‘m gonna steal it nonetheless.
I’m going out on a limb here and saying that this movie struck a nerve, given the truly brobdingnagian levels of snark coming through here. God, I adore the dry snark. “The standards are so good, you just can’t help but double them.” Thank you again for your efforts to make entertainment entertaining and intelligent again.
"The standards are so good you just can't help but double them." Brilliant.
funnily enough the actor portraying Namor actually said in an interview that the bulge picture is the doctored photo and that the "shrunk" photo is actually a real on set photo
And yet, Disney is reporting that this movie saved the downward spiral of movies at the theaters. It only goes to show you that there are some people who will eat crap for a meal and walk away thinking they ate a meal fit for a king. People can be very easily manipulated.
Nah, it's underperforming badly. It will make hundreds of millions less than the first movie. While the death of the actor should have made it make more money. Similarly to what happened to Fast and Furious 7.
I am willing to bet it’s just propaganda. “Everything is great here! Come watch the movie, everyone loves it!”
They are probably trying to save face. I doubt they would admit if they were shocked and disappointed.
I like to compare it to an ice cream sundae: some people will eat anything if it's warm and brown. I personally care how it actually tastes.
or they just wanna watch it idk? whats wrong w people watching a movie for the sake of watching it 💀
I assumed they were Sea Mayans, not Sea Aztecs. But if they were so badly defined I guess that point doesn't really matter. They already made a superficial scramble for Wakanda, makes sense they'd do the same on the other side of the Atlantic.
Still a genocide and slave empire
Yeah, they were of Mayan descent or Sea Mayans, but who cares the point is that the movie sucks, although he sounds pretty ignorant about that, he conveys the message.
Damn I was hoping you where going to point out when the freeky fish people say they don't wanna be found out by the world and how ridiculous that is. Due to the fact that shield had a map that we see at the end credits of Iron Man 2 that set up Black Panther and Namor. Just because it happened 11 years ago doesn't mean the fans will just forget
"When the standards are so good, you can't help but double them" One of the best lines I've ever heard.
WOAH. this is the first time ive ever heard someone say what i thought about black panther. Its an African Americans pipe dream that Africa is some monolithic monolinguistic fancy land. Don't get me wrong I'm African and love Africa, but its absolutely delirious how that portrayed what looks to central eastern Africa
When T’Challa lowered his lightsaber and let Kylo Ren cut him down was when the movie really lost me.
Because he became more powerful than you can imagine....thanks to the purple bs extract?
So I haven't watched Marvel movies in some time now, and EFAP and this channel keeps confirming that I made a good choice.
But I have to ask:
If I follow what you said correctly, Namor heared Shuri say she wants to burn the world down because her brother died. The writers want to use this as an argument for why he would think it is logical that Namor asks her to help him since he hates the world as well? Because that quite literally translates into "a loved one died of cancer therefore genocide."
It is complete insanity.
Tchalla didn't want that. The queen should have said "that's not good".
In the movie she says that, out of nowhere, making her look like a lunatic because she has no justified reason to burn the World down. Her brother died of an illness, not some conflict with another state or smth.
She also never acts on it anyways, because marvel heroes these days never do smth wrong (that's why Civil war had gripping plot) - it's a nonsense line.
Especially because after that scene she goes to america to save a person she doesnt even know who build the detector. Why? Because you have to please the hero trope and sentences uttered before the plot driving scenes have no meaning anyways...
watching efap is way more shamefull than watching mcu....
Plus the whole "We just want to stay hidden" thing flies right out the window.
@@Maggisoo I get being angry at "the world" when bad stuff happens like a loved one dying of disease. There is no real target for the anger so people just project it outwards in a general way. People lash out in those cases and make statements like that as a short-term coping mechanism.
But for Namor to take it as "she probably would agree to genociding everyone" would mean the dude has serious issues reading social cues and relating to people.
All the behind the scene footage of Bilbo flipping off the camera gives me life.
One thing that bothers me greatly with modern movie and television is how everyone, from the heroes to the villains, seem to just possess knowledge they should not in order to progress and often accelerate the "plot." It is as though they have taken a moment to watch the film before we did. It leads to the whole thing feeling utterly contrived.
7:24 “The standards are so good, you just can’t help but double them” 😂😂😂 has me ROLLING
To be fair to the little mermaid, it seemed when i watched it that she didn't die from sadness, but just old age (while being sad), and chubby fish child was just still a fish child many years later. Can you imagine puberty lasting for decades? No wonder he wanted to destroy the whole world.
In order to flood Queen Ramonda's thrown which is high up on the Bashenga mountain above the statue of the panther goddess Bast, which Wakanda is already 1100 feet above sea level and landlocked with no river channels (proven in previous MCU movies shown in maps) with only the lake Turkana it shares with Kenya, all of Wakanda would have had to be submerged; effectively killing all its inhabitants. Not to mention there's not enough gallons of water in Lake Turkana to pull that off anyway.
The water explosive was placed directly in the throne room, with each explosive already being shown to have access to enough water to fully displace an automobile going at high speed.
6-8 of those were launched directly at the Queen, breaking the floor glass and largely filling that underneath space in the building with water.
The whole city wasn't submerged
@@Igwecala-xm3dg it didn't make sense the water would have flown out. Her throne room was on Mount Bashenga.
It was also stupid to have computer screens fixated on th windows that's not strategically logical.
Wakanda is several hundred feet above sea level, land locked with only the lake by Kenya close to it. It made no sense for Namor and his people to even GET there from the ocean.
If all that water got there inexplicably then many people were drowned and yet they didn't show anything of that sort
The scuba suits thing was actually set up. It was a callback to the earlier scene where the Americans were using them, and Namor killed them. So, normally they wouldn't have equipment to take Shuri to their underwater city, but because they happened to kill two Americans with those suits, Namor could let her use one of them.
Which they kept around for...reasons.
@@BWMagus Trophies? Or, to study them or something?
I mean, I'd keep them. It isn't a plot hole that they decided to keep the high-tech suits.
Wherent the suits broken and how would they fit her the size dont match up.
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 Yup, and they know how to operate them XD
@@TryingToWakeUp-qb7iu Yeah... the script did say so...
PLEASE the bit about harry potter being shot out of the death star yelling “it’s morbin’ time 😈” is one of the funniest thing’s i’ve ever heard uttered on this platform. well done, 10/10 lmao
As mexican, I have to say, once again, aztecs were landlocked. This earthling Na'vi are all mayans, who were actually close to the sea.
It's like mixing up greek and roman culture.
Sucks that literally the only character they had slightly developed died before they could use him to make a sequel. So we now have heaps of undeveloped cookie cutter characters to make a movie out of
It still amazes me how good Draco Malfoy is at film critique.
I remain distracted by the fact that in the "Rings of Power - Bad Lore and Worse Writing" video our host, Mr. Malfoy, actually exclaimed "Oh my giddy aunt". (Which was awesome, BTW)
Isn't Draco's aunt Bellatrix LeStrange? 😂
@@dronesclubhighjinks Yes, which made the exclamation extra amusing. 😂
Don't need to add context these grifters are just looking to hate on things.
It's crazy how if they just wrote riri to NOT get captured and shuri to be alone to exp,ain why namor is being so soft with shuri bc he wants her to convince wakanda to hand her over
“The standards are so good you can’t help but double them”
First time I come across this phrase, made me lol at work. I’ll do my best to use it at least once somewhere (I mean, apart from this post).
The solve I would have for the same plant giving slightly different powers would be that one was grown in a dessert and one was basically grown in the water. If they derived their fuel for growth from the biological matter they were exposed to. one got it's supply from decaying mammal and the other largely from fish or other oceanic life.
The movie is so woke that female characters can kill innocent male cops without consequences (Riri), can survive vibranium-smashing water bombs in the face (Okoye), beat up multiple big men easy and continue fighting after a spear impalement right thru the spine (Shuri). Girl power!
at least okoye got beat in the 1st attuma fight
Male American cops are rarely innocent really lol
That's movies these days... Feminism and not gender equality...
Idk bout the cop thing but most male characters have done this and okoye is apart of the Dora Milaje she’s trained to beat down men besides many male characters have fought through impalement
@@draiocht1979 I like how OP thinks no male characters in existence ever did those things listed too lol
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." And that's exactly what this movie is... if you believe people behind it.
Which, naturally, we do not.
that is one big if
@@henkhenkste6076 When they used Stan Lee's account after he passed to promote what ever it was I was fucking done with Marvel or comics or anyting in that department. Whom ever made that descion is insane...
This actually brings me back to the logic fail of the Winter Soldier show: "So... Wakanda didn't demand the US extradite their leader's assassin to face Wakandan justice. Falcon released said assassin, who subsequently escapes even US justice. Rather than lose their collective sh^^, end cooperation with all US agents, and demand both Falcon and Buckey be taken into custody; Wakanda instead makes a super suit for one of the *US* soldiers responsible; out of their exclusive strategic resource. Where tf is this supposed to make sense?"
Forcibly extraditing people (Riri Williams for instance) from US soil is tight! 👍😀
Wait, which TH-cam channel am I watching?
Wakanda was a third world country, that had nothing of value, and did nothing but be poor to the world during CA: Winter Soldier.
And King T'Chaka wasn't the only one killed by the blast either.
On what grounds would the perceived bottom country on the planet have pull to call for an extradition, from the US, above everyone else?
Beyond that, let's tell the truth here; Bucky Barnes returned Zemo to Wakanda and The Raft, and in thanks for that, called in his favor to deliver Sam Wilson another Captain America suit.
Crying just to cry, smh
That Nokia ringtone every time she was mentioned took me a bit to catch, but was priceless.
I'm sorry yall im black but when he said "monkey noises when they're angry" I was rolliin!! LOL hahahaha!!! hilarious
You have somehow become one of my favourite unwind channels, love it. I watched this movie knowing there would be a Little Platoon video coming out soon👌🏾
Honestly if I had to choose between saving my country and some random girl I just met I’m choosing my country’s safety first. Sorry riri. Even Killmonger said the old Kings would have let Namor kill her. As they probably should have.
If she hadn't of been black, they would have.
Not really, the past kings have made difficult choices in the past but they wouldn’t hand in an innocent person for slaughter. The government took Riri’s invention and used it beyond its intended purpose, so to have her shoulder the entire blame is idiotic
@@BlueBlazeKingirrelevant, if in the same way she was threatening Wakanda’s existence they would kill her. Only difference is that Wakanda has already came out to the world, and have no reason kill her as her machine wouldn’t be exposing anything not known
I used to be annoyed that marvel acted like New York is the only city that exists, but given what has happened to the mcu since, let them just stay quarantined there!
That's why I adore the Marvel Netflix series, lived in and familiar but big enough for things to happen without breaking everything and small enough for characters to interact
Honestly though, I agree completely with you. What always bothered me is that this society is apparently meant to be extremely advanced, much more so than most other nations on Earth, yet they keep themselves isolated from the entire world, and also choose their rulers by...fighting to the death with spears and loincloths? Seriously? They have flying cars! But they fight with spears?
The Aztecs were peaceful and non violent before those terrible Spaniards arrived. It was a utopia…said no one ever lol
The sapient use of bilbo giving the finger footage is cracking me up
I admire Bilbo's absolute commitment to that bit.
So eloquently explained why this film doesn't work. You really nailed it when you said, "why didn't the Talacons just kill the girl on the bride and leave the princess?" 😅 So true. But then we wouldn't have a 3 hour movie. 😂
Because as we find out at the end that was never Namors motive. Namors motive was to use her as leverage to force Wakanda into cooperation because he knows what is coming.
Because the machine was already built, Wakanda had the original machine in hand, and the US government already had RiRi's computer.
You kill RiRi and leave the Princess, Shuri has a reason to replicate the detector on her own scale (think Mach 2 Iron Man compared to Mach 1), and the US government now has the outlines, to rebuild the machine that they have now confirmed can and has found Vibranium outside of Wakanda.
Namor and the Talokanil, in stepping out on that action and in that way, would've screwed themselves.
29:17 The MCU is in absolute shambles, that crap right there killed me with laughter. I can only imagine the amount of pride the actor mustve had, when he realized his utility hose was so great they cgi-ed it out
Prince Namor of Atlantis is actually, in the comics, an awesomely powerful character.
I thought the idea about the blue and purple fruits was that they were regular fruits but possessed extra nutrients from the Vibranium meteors
It was a quick scene, but I believe Queen Ramunda (potentially) dies due to Michonne ( who we've seen doesn't like using Shuri's tech ) uses old fashioned tried and true chest compressions on her mother vs. Shuri placing the wakandan defibrillators on Riri. Nikea? Finnally touches her bracelet to the queen's To check her vitals but it's too late and Riri revives. Touching upon the failure of rescue attempts and crisis of decision making from the opening of the movie... It's also never addressed in the movie, ( so much drama left unexplored) but Michonne finally learns from her mistake when using the Midnight Angel weapon at the end of her arc.
This is such a good catch! I didn’t notice that, damn 😮
The resuscitation scene felt weird because...you're supposed to free the drowning victim's nose and mouth from the excess water by tilting their face to the side and keeping their mouth open. It's even recommended to perform a Heimlich maneuver to remove water from their lungs and respiratory tract (and given that Riri started coughing up water after defibrillation, there WAS water in their lungs and mouth). But Okoye went straight to doing CPR on Ramunda without clearing her respiratory tract first (Riri was supposed to be dead too, tbh). This is why I didn't find the scene tragic because I felt like Ramunda's death was totally preventable, the plot just decided she should die for the drama.
Not defending the movie, the movies inability to explain this is a definite failure on it's part and is inexcusable. I just want to point out that, in the comics, a sudden mood or motivation shift for Namor like this is reasonable
When Namor is out of the water he is subject to massive mood shifts and stuff, so much so that he can go from Hero to Villain in an incredibly brief period of time
Yes the films failure to show this is bad, yes that excuse in the comics in and of itself is pretty dumb, I'm just the messenger boy lol
Fair, but we can't let the movies get away with things by saying "It's in the comics!" when they turn around and throw out so much from the comics. Some changes are expected but they barely try sometimes.
@@BWMagus I 100% agree. As I said the movies inability to explain why Namor changes so much is a failure on the movies part, I'm just explaining why this would be happening *from a comics perspective.*
From a movies perspective this is happening because....reasons ig
So Namor does not have to be on a certain day of the month for that? Can it be the pollution in the air? The result of a fish being outside of salty water for too long?
this mf has periods when he's out of the water lmao
Nothing todo with the film, but the comment: "the next train arriving in clown world will be the 11-51 west bullsh*t service to Wokkanda, , calling at Lol, what the F**k, you can't be serious and wokanda", is an artifact of sarcasm so masterfully delivered, it should be place on a plaque at the British museum where classes of school children can be taken to see it on school trips, so that their teachers can point out exactly what real sarcasm is! Thereby improving the wit and eriudition of an entire generation!
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Real history: the Aztecs were not massacred by the Spanish, like most think. The Spanish allied with enemies of the Aztecs, who had been tyrants and genocidal in their own right. When the Spanish gave them the chance for revenge, they literally couldn't stop their allies from massacring the Aztecs because there was decades of hatred towards the Aztec.
They were a savage culture, and by the time the Spanish arrived, they were already having crop troubles and making human sacrifices more than ever to try and appease their gods for a good harvest.
I’m still shook every time I am reminded that agent ROSS was BILBO. I keep forgetting that that’s the same person for some reason. 😂
I love the way you use MCU clips to convey your emotions during criticisms
I believe it might've been Mauler who first popularized the use of those Marvel gifs - he makes excellent use of the clip of Tony rolling his eyes in Avengers. I know TLP has featured on some podcasts with Mauler - don''t want to assume, but I wonder if this particular technique is TLP expanding on a very efficient (and very amusing) formula used by another British guy.
The best part of the M-SHE-U currently are the reviews...I thank you sir 🧡👑
It's increasingly the way people (myself included) engage with this content.
The ringtone....I can't 💀
this with his standards line prove that some people are way too clever for their own good😂
In Agents Of SHIELD, a faction of agents who had banded together after the agency fell in Cap 2, built a vibranium scanner small enough to fit in an RC model planted in the director's office to find Nick Fury's toolbox. This fall from grace...
I loved every single moment you used a clip of Martin Freeman flipping the bird.
The amount of times martin freeman flips off the camera is hilarious
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The hierarchical next Step by that logic would then probably be van doomcock from overlord dvd
lol drinker you kidding right?
Diaspru, the dude with the intense teeth and distinctive hate for she hulk? I think I know him
@@GaudiaCertaminisGaming Nahhh That's Shad over at Knight's Watch
Love the content. You are ruthless in your criticism, and your editing is so clever. Props
I am so grateful to drinker and the Efap guys for introducing me to you. These videos are a blast to watch.
The only thing more baffling than the plot of this movie is the belief by so many people that it is a culturally relevant and important movie.
The next train from clown world part had me in tears. 😂
30:25 the Death Star suddenly showed up at the end of this film launching Harry Potter on a rainbow unicorn shouting "it's morbin time!!!"
I might actually watch it if that happened.
There was ine scene where i wanted to rage out so hard but i couldnt because i was watching with my parent,it was when shuri decides to do a gymnastic flip after being impaled with a big stick 5 seconds ago
This guy's accent is mystifying and never gets old to listen to.
It's an ai voice
I really thought that Juri and namor during her visit to takola where mutual antoginist. Juri wanted to visit NOt Namor's 'city' to try to undersantd him. He was trying to get something out of her and Juri knew this. It was a diplomatic visit, not a shipping one. The gift from Namor was to remind her of that visit and something that they might have had in common, which they didnt of course, but that was Namor's blunder.