Wakanda Forever - A Fitting End to a Terrible Phase 4
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- Rounding off the Wakanda Forever critique with the film's third act - writing that's fairly typical of the MCU's Phase 4 sludge pipe. Non-characters, Nonsensical motives, non-existent worldbuilding; missed beats and wasted opportunities. But hey, at least we survived Phase 4.
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As a professor of anthropology with an extreme fascination with the appearance of Aztec culture I'm embarrassed by all the people calling it peaceful.
The American public education system is awful, and having gone through it even I understand that the Aztecs were fucking terrible. They did not peacefully rule over the peoples of what would one day become Mexico, they ruled with brutality and fear, as dictators often do
You mean Mayan ? There was no Aztecs bro.
@@misaelestrada5370 If they are meant to be Mayan and not Aztec, why is their civilization named using a Nahuatl (the proper name for the Aztecs) word, using the same name as one of the afterlifes of the Aztec, not Mayan, religion?
The fish people use a Nahuatl/Aztec name for themselves, based on the Nahuatl/Aztec religion. They aren't Mayan, bro.
Let's be real, the fish people aren't Mayan, or even Aztec, the movie creators just robbed a bunch of shit from a bunch of different Mesoamerican cultures and blended it together without any regards or care for the real world Mesoamerican cultures. Much like what they did to make Wakanda out of African cultures.
@@dantallionmccrews3822 They are supposed to be Mayan K'u'uk'ul kaan is a Mayan god and they don't speak Nahuatl, they speak Mayan Yucateco. But I guess you are right, they took random shit from many civilizations, the movie is not bad tho, not the best MCU movie but it's not terrible like this video says.
Yeah, we should not expect historical or even current year accuracy from Marvel.
The hostile attitude of Wakandans towards colonizers ages poorly when you realize Wakanda was around during the colonial period and did nothing to stop it
Not just that they didn't do anything, considering they were not even discovered, you could borderline argue that they already had cloaking technology back during that era and still decided to sit on their arses and watch
And yes, you could actually introduce various interesting questions of "is it entirely ethical for this advanced civilization to interfere with natural order of things as they see fit?" similarly to questions within the Star Trek franchise but I am almost 100% sure that this wasn't the intention because the creators of this dumpsterfire did not even consider that implication
Unless they truly want us to believe that Wakanda was not interfered with and colonized purely because they were too deep within the forests which would be laughable, especially with that mountain of Vibranium in their backyard
It's even worse actually. You see, the trans-Atlantic slave trade would not have existed in the first place were it not for the fact that African kingdoms like Dahomey and the Kongo Kingdom weren't perfectly happy to go to war against neighboring tribes and sell them wholesale into slavery in exchange for European guns and luxury goods. Nations along the Atlantic coast of sub-Saharan Africa in many cases restructured their entire economies to be based around slavery, and their eventual collapse would be directly tied to the Europeans deciding that they no longer needed slaves.
On a related note, slavery wasn't something unique to Africans after they met the Europeans. Slavery was a universal constant throughout most of recorded human history no matter where you look. Native Americans would kidnap people from rival tribes. Africans practiced slavery long before European contact, and by the time the Europeans made contact, they already had specific rituals in place regarding what to do with people spiritually to prepare them for slavery. The Romans depended heavily on slavery, and one of the key causes of the Empire's decline was an inability to keep conquering and expanding indefinitely causing the supply of slaves to dry up. The Vikings, Saxons and Franks all practiced slavery, and later on you had the rise of Serfdom in Europe, which was effectively slavery under a different name. The Turks? Mongols? Chinese? EVERYONE did slavery, because back before the Industrial Revolution, by far the most efficient way to sustain a large society was to get a bunch of unfortunate people and make them do all the hard work that nobody else wanted to do for no pay.
In other words, you bet your ass that if Wakanda was the nation that made first contact with the Portugese, and the Portugese went up to them and said 'Yo, we're kinda running out of Jews on our island plantations, mind selling us some slaves? We've got loads of gold, spices, tobacco, opium... Anything you want really!' the Wakandans would have been 'Spices? Opium? FUCK YEAH! We'll just go bonk some Ashanti or something, how much you want?' and thanks to their Vibranium tech, they would have been far more effective at enslaving their neighbors than the Kongo ever were.
Tl;dr: MCU Africa dodged a massive bullet because Wakanda was landlocked.
Did nothing to stop it and nothing to aide the many African peoples they now pretend to care about at any point before or after the "colonizers" began participating in the already flourishing slave trade between African peoples and Arab traders.
If they had, at any time really, decided to share even a tithe of their technology with the African tribes and kingdoms around them, the colonizers would never have been able to take advantage of them by buying the black slaves from black kings.
Wakanda just makes no sense from top to bottom. It's like they only choose to be compassionate when it lets them be snide to people they look down upon as less scientifically advanced, conveniently ignoring that any of the crimes they want to condemn said primitives for could only happen because the Wakandans made the decision to let them.
Actually it's worse than that, because in the first film we're told Wakanda was one of four tribes around the vibranium... they conquered the others with the power they had, that's the tribes who attend the panther ceremony. They also set up "outreach centers" in the USA to spread wakandan culture but not share vibranium. "You adopt our culture, we keep the power."
They _are_ the colonizers.
That is literally the main point of the first movie, Killmonger's motivation is Wakanda's lack of involvement with world affairs.
M'Baku doesn't want to be Wakanda's leader anymore because he saw how long its leaders tend to live. Since they were introduced in Civil War the Wakandan's leaders have been:
• T'Chaka (2016, killed by Zemo)
• T'Challa (2018, presumably killed by Kilmonger)
• Kilmonger (killed by T'Challa)
• T'Challa (2018, killed by Thanos)
• Unknown person during the blip (presumably killed by T'Challa so he can get the throne back)
• T'Challa (2024, killed again this time by Covid)
• Ramonda (killed by Freaky Fish Person)
• Shuri
That's 7 leadership changes in about 8 years. M'Baku staying away from the throne shows that he's the smartest person in Wakanda.
😂😂😂hilarious but true and cvid 2024 lol
@@ultimatesora4467 whoosh
Covid..the fuck🤣
7 leadership changes in about 8 years? Are we talking about Australia?
@@ctakitimu More like the late Roman Empire.
As a Finnish fan, it warms my heart that our great nation's gift to the world, Nokia Tune, is played several times in this video
Kiitos for Nokia, my friend. I love Finland. ❤️
@@zoebaggins90 Lovely username
@@AcidifiedMammoth thanks, you're the only positive comment I've gotten so far.
lol I’ve been hearing it since about halfway through Review part2. Maybe now I’ve got an ear out for it all the time
You know what's funny? T'Challa had a brother. His name was Jakarra.
He also had a steward who would rule in his stead when he was away. His name was N'Gassi.
I notice both of these high profile male characters are conspicuously absent from the MCU's Wakanda.
Because it's [P R O B LE M A T I C]
Strong whaman
convenient eh?
He also had an adopted brother called White Tiger who was half-White. I’m only mentioning him because I want Ryan Gosling to play him.
well know because girl power
Phase 4 was proof that there was absolutely no plan for the MCU after Endgame
there was a plan MCU >> MSheU
There’s an idea, but no plan.
@@squirrelthegamer8483ood point. Plenty of ideas, but lack of cohesion
There was no plan for Endgame. Reused villain and final fight scene, redoing a death in the same manner, poorly used time travel that doesn't follow it's own preset rules, inconsistent power levels... Endgame was a mess.
@@palladiamorsdeus Yeah. Endgame was disappointing and that was the last MCU movie I saw.
They’re genuinely portraying us as baboons in nice costumes.. i’m an african and you’re spot on, they’re doing the opposite of what they say they want to do.
It's the american ignorance
They essentially think that they are the best and the rest of the world is a borderline unlivable shithole
Because of that they deem it unworthy and/or unnecessary to even learn about the places they want to portray in their movies. They only pick basics that can be easily found through some less than reliable sources, and then they slap it all together
Which is how you end up with the MCU's Wakandan culture, mostly just old traditions from all over the Africa, because that seems very interesting to them from those Buzzfeed articles, slapped together regardless of sense and followed even by what is extremely technologically advanced society, and since they have no idea about how that would look in the Africa, they make it more or less American with patches from those African cultures
That's why Wakanda has skyscrapers with patchwork roofs, because to them rugged/poor=African
I do understand that talking, portraying and imagining very foreign culture can be quite difficult but that's the reason you either do not do it half-assedly at all or you hire experts, preferably some members of that culture, so they can help you out with it...
That’s not very progressive! /s
Dudeee!! I'm African too. That scene on the huge ship when Wakandan's fight Namor's aemy, I felt enraged. Why would the most "advanced nation" on Earth not be able to come up with a better battle strategy or heck even a better diplomacy in times of conflict. If they were gonna fight, the awkward war chants in spears was so unlike what even the least advanced African nation right now will do. Rebels in the Congo are more believable (strategy wise) than all of Wakanda who just lost their QUEEN.
Pardon the rant, had to let it off somehow lol
@@whosasking9655
No need to apologize. You're stating facts.
A ragtag bunch of rebels with AK-47s would annihilate the depicted Wakandan forces with minimal effort. They'd annihilate the depicted army of Namor also.
There's a reason that every army on Earth use guns, not shields and spears.
Glory to Hanuman
Grew up with a buddy named Cyrus, he’s from Kenya. He said to me once “I don’t understand why they call themselves African american. They don’t know anything of Africa or how good they have it here” for perspective he was a child solider. There’s deep sadness behind this mans eyes.
It's not unique to blacks in America. They're a country without any real identity, made up of generations of migrants so they all cling to whatever piece of ancestory they can trace in an attempt to be unique.
When I lived in Ireland, I lived in fear of hearing the Accent recounting their genealogy. We called them Plastic Paddies. They were great for the economy in all fairness, but generally a bit thick, highly entitled, and generally very annoying.
African americans are not africans as nothing they do relates with us africans
This is something that is unfortunately often ignored. African Americans are distinctly American - many have ancestors that (tragically) were brought to the US at the time/shortly after European settlers migrated to North America. Their families have been in America for centuries.They have developed their own unique culture, that is, understandably, different to their African roots.
Many Americans seem to feel that the roots of their ancestors inform their identity - as somehow just being American isn't enough. As a European, I find it interesting that people describe themselves as e.g. Italian American, Irish American, etc.. Being African American falls into that category as well.
Look up "General butt naked" he had loads of child soldiers, they would be high off thier tits on drug's, totally naked brandishing AK47's and were cannibalistic by eating the hearts of their enemies.
@@mejuliie The thing is that Africans aren't even the first ones to be brought to America as slaves, the Irish beat them out, were treated just as bad for a long loooong time, and now people don't really care anymore because they're 'white americans'.
Also, why would African Americans want to embrace their African roots? The biggest conquerors, imperialists, enslavers, and sellers of Africans across all of human history were and currently are Africans.
I will still defend that the best MCU depiction of Black panther is in Captain America civil war.
Majority of us agree
It absolutely was. He was pretty awesome there and had a pretty good and full character arc. He and his nation are kind of an embarrassment everywhere else in the MCU.
Yeah, I miss the cold calculate that would do anything and kill anyone to achieve his vengeance... In his movie he is more of a scary little boy and not a warrior King...
Definitely! 💯
He was indeed pretty boss in that one.
I still love how much of a clusterfuck the final fight is:
-Shuri decides the final fight will be in the enemy's preferred terrain
-Shuri decides not to arm her soldiers to move or breathe underwater should they fall from their ship without guard rails
-Shuri decides not to arm her soldiers to deal with the VERY WELL ESTABLISHED healing factor of the fishpeople, basically rendering her army useless
-Shuri's ship has no guard rails protecting people from falling into the ocean
-Shuri makes an actual good plan to try to make Namor bring a small contingency to go investigate a supposed second radar so she has the numbers advantage, Namor however is incredibly paranoid and brings HIS ENTIRE GARRISSON, therefore putting the wakandans at total and complete disadvantage
-The Dora Milaje jumps off ropes being held by other able warriors instead of pulleys or machines, making them incapable of engaging in combat during the combat
-The Wakandan surprise ship only has one weapon underwater to deal with the enemy that acts primarily underwater
-The fishpeople apparently brought 10 thousand waterbombs to what they though was just a random radar
It's just all so absolutely stupid
And to be even more stupid, it’s identical to the final arc in Last of Us 2.
It's about as brain-wrecking as No way home's plot but nonsensical plot is basically what the MCU is known for nowadays.
Yep, absolute rubbish
To be fair, if I were planning on finding and destroying the thingamajig of the day, I‘d bring ten thousand bombs, too. And they‘d only be 1/7th as heavy because of the water, so why not bring seventy thousand? =D
@@ArDeeMee So, you'd bring a bazooka to kill a mosquito?
This is why source material matters. The reason while the "goo" flower is not given to everyone in the comics is because only people with the bashengas bloodline can take it (everyone else dies). There are so many instances where the MCU skips or changes steps only to make Black Panther or Wakanda seem illogical. The writers failed so miserably its inexcusable.
Yup. The two universes are entirely separate, so anything explained in the comics has to be explained in the MCU. The problem is that they selectively forget this, and end up relying on foreknowledge if a comic they’ve otherwise completely discarded.
I honestly don't think it matters in this particular occasion (or on some of the others. There is a lot of accidental brilliance in this stupidity)
Sure, the genetic limitation might serve as a stopgap measure for the future, but remember how Shuri was splicing stuff left and right in this movie, so not inventing a gene therapy to give access to everyone would have looked arbitrary (as it has in the comics).
On the other hand, looking at the past, only the King having access to the power makes perfect sense. The King is special, he gets the best toys, the plebs don't deserve to have super powers. And for all we know, there might exist a political movement in modern Wakanda that argued for exactly that. Now that we are rich, now that we are a modern country, distribute the herb to everyone - and there also could be a faction arguing against it on the basis of them worrying that Wakanda really might become an ethnostate with superpowered wakandans believing themselves superios to the rest of the world.
Lots of interesting story threads this could have provided. And still could, but likely never will.
Don't forget how the Wakandans have their own intergalactic empire, space cruisers, telepotation devices, ect., but all Ryan can do is give them spears/ war rhinos. OMG so Bad. So freaking _incompetent_ .
If we look at how kings spread their seed around I'd be very surprised if there are many families in Wakanda who don't have some royal ancestry.
@@freman007 Presumably, when your dick is literally the key to power, they would teach them to keep it in their pants. ^.^
I have a few friends who are originally from various parts of Africa, and they for the most part find Black America's view of what Africa is rather amusing.
Wakanda is interesting in that it’s a white American’s idea of what black Americans think Africa is.
I think I asked that question in the previous instalment - I think I’d find it cringey and embarrassing, and I had a fair few Africans in my comment section agree!
@@realistic_delinquent
Unfortunately this is also how a significant number of black Americans also view Africa. A few black American TH-camrs have also talked about this issue, and how bizarre they find it that some of their fellow black Americans talk about Wakanda as if it were a real place.
@@TheLittlePlatoon because they see whole Africa as something homogeneous, while nothing is farther from truth. They seem to have trouble with comprehension of how different African-American (or any Europeanised Africans) are. And they are certainly unaware of Liberia experiment. And, quite possibly, existence.
I always found it funny that the soundtrack used for (at least the first) black panther was... Hip Hop...
That's not very... African ?
It’s kinda messed up if Chadwick stood for inclusivity and opening up Wakanda and his death lead to the opposite happening.
if? that is what happened in the film
The good things about MCU Wakanda died with T'Challa.
No racist moron in that reclusive country is and can ever be as virtuous as him.
Well, maybe save for M'Baku. He's the only named character who's not emanating anti-white energy, if I remember correctly.
Well, he let women take over, so...
@@ルクミ-w8mWhat exactly is anti-white energy? Lol. You sound paranoid. 😅😅😅
1:09:42 As a Nigerian, I cannot thank you enough for correctly pointing this out. Wakanda and the Black Panther movies and comics have become a disgusting joke and a platform for glorifying black supremacy and delusional revisionism. Also, the way you highlight how western society, especially the colonialists, did far more positives for humanity, is so true. My country (imperfect as it is) only exists thanks to them and slavery was abolished because the British found it reprehensibly evil and spent a lot of their own money and man-power to abolish it in the parts of Africa hey controlled; something no African tribe or kingdom would have ever done.
you mean the French. Though US and Britain declared they were "abolishing" it, following the Dutch and France, they continued to do and allow it. More so, though they "abolished" it, that didn't stop them from allowing those same people to be subjugated to practices that were essentially slavery; so long as they benefited monetarily from it. I will agree on your one point: colonist helped Africans immensely, considering how many handouts they gave you Africans over the decades.
What about the "indentured labor" aka slavery from India?
Do you think slavery doesn't still exist, even in Africa, and that it's a thing of the past?
Much of the world's coffee, chocolate beans, and mined minerals, and certain manufacturing plants, coming from less developed nations, or less travelled regions of supposedly civilised nations, still uses slavery, sometimes indentured, but far too often just straight up slavery. It is not a thing of the past that disappeared, it still exists, before and after those 'evil' colonists.
You are wrong about why slavery ended. You can correlate the decline of profit from using slaves with the abolishment of slavery. It was never ended out of good will, and even after it ended ex-slaves were never compensated and even expected to be taxed for their own attempts to recuperate a normal life amongst whites in developed habitats. You know absolutely fuck all, and Little Platoon only compared the fact that colonialism had more of a positive effect than it's apparent critic - he never defended colonialism. Get your head out of your ass.
@@TheMassiveGamereah, because it's a myth that slavery ended because people suddenly discovered kindness. They did it because it didn't make profit, but racist attitudes survived and it's why they still dominate society now.
So is Nokia practically indestructible? Even if you drop her from a great height? Can you play snake on her?
She and she alone knows T’Challa’s high score.
Well knowing M-She-U I will attempt to answer: Yes indestructible. And no, no playing Snake ever, created by a Finnish man, can’t be having that.
I LOVED SNAKE. I managed to completely beat snake once.
@@fd502 anyone who uses m she u is just a man that can’t get laid
T'Challa played snake in her.
I’m American and you had me dying from laughter within the first 7 minutes.
Between you mocking that awful Army ad to the James Cameron strategy, I almost couldn’t stop laughing as I was finishing my laundry.
Well Done.
Glad to hear it!
@@TheLittlePlatoon Believe me (or not), I’m an American war veteran (despite my moniker), and I’m just nauseated by that pathetically pandering ad.
We had gay people and people of just about every ethnicity in our unit and (despite certain boneheaded policies like “Don’t ask, don’t tell”) most of us had exactly zero issue with any of it. We were brothers and sisters (and occasionally, lovers) in arms, and that was it. No muss, no fuss.
The exceptionally tiny minority of genuine bigots by and large kept their traps shut because the penalties for demonstrable bigotry were, in a word, incendiary. And it, as it happened, was also a good way to quickly find yourself a pariah in your own unit.
We didn’t need diversity and acceptance cartoons to know the score. All it took was some regulations, the UCMJ, and an absolute bare minimum of common sense not to be an asshole to your fellow soldiers.
Seeing that ad tickled me too, because I've received many cringey Marine recruiter messages and ads while in a community college, and no joke, the latest one was a caller approaching me with like an anime OC avatar, I guess as a "Fellow Kids" tactic. I had my fun, pretending to think it was a friend prank-texting me (I honestly wasn't sure at first), and this recruiter dead-ass called me "sus", because by their own admission, they thought it'd be more relatable to use gamer lingo.
@@scionofdorn9101 Women don’t belong in the military.
@Scion of Dorn "and occasionally, lovers." I'm so tired of hearing about that going on seemingly all the time. Maybe they really do need to bring back widespread segregation by sex in the armed forces.
Those clips of Martin Freeman as Bilbo giving us the bird in various, creative ways every time you mention him make me not just blow air out of my nose, but actually giggle. Maybe the Hobbit trilogy was worth it just for those.
Yeah…Martin Freeman looks like he’s got a great sense of humour! 🤦🏻♂️
The pacing on the Bilbo cuts was perfect to keep me laughing throughout.
29:22 The idea of a community having the means to heal everyone but refusing to do so because they think they're above the rest of the world sounds like a perfect antagonistic society for a good hero to fight.
Here, though, (assuming it ends up being the case), it's Wakanda doing it, and not only are they the good guys, they're the BEST guys.
Reminds me of "the dora milaje have jurisdiction wherever the dora milaje find themselfs to be" and it's considered a cool, badass line.
But change dora milaje to CIA/john walker and suddenly....
They have such a hate boner over things past while doing same or similar in the present. Its like the writers(and those that think like them) don't actually hold on the principles they espouse, they just have a problem with who is abusing their power not that they are abusing it.
What makes you think they owe humanity anything?
@@wiswc That question is also perfect. I can absolutely imagine a sociopathic villain asking that as they watch people die, knowing full well they could have prevented it. Amazing.
@@wiswc well because they criticize the world and humanity for being cruel and unsupportive while not doing anything to help anyone either, so they don't really practice what they preach.
@@wiswc Why do I know what race you are by your attitude alone...?
What I’m wondering is how Shuri and Iron Child didn’t die or get sick due to decompression sickness or pop due to water pressure at the BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN and how they’re just chilling outside the submarine made for ONE PERSON
I actually completely missed that. They magicked a diving suit into existence when Namor took Shuri down, but apparently she, Nokia and Riri could get out without them?
@@TheLittlePlatoon lol how did nokia survive unless she’s a mutant possibly storm
@@TheLittlePlatoon Didn't they take the diving suit from one of the divers they killed at the beginning of the movie?
@@bluelandyaandgreenlandya1788 I think they took one, for no apparent reason as they’ve never brought humans down to Talocan and never had any intention of doing so. That explains how Shuri got down. It doesn’t explain how she, Nakia and Riri made it all the way up again with no diving suits at all.
@@TheLittlePlatoon that’s exactly my point. It makes literally no sense also thank you for the reply, I absolutely love your content :)
One of the biggest disappointments for me from Phase 4 was WandaVision.
It started out quite well, and clearly there was a lot of creativity and thought that went into it. The various eras of sitcoms that they recreated were spot on from an acting style, set, and costuming point of view, as well as Olsen and Bettany clearly being competent actors working excellently with the various styles at play.
For me it all fell apart the minute it was established that Wanda was consciously doing everything that she was, and that it was not a psychotic break from reality. Couple that with the absurd notion of selling what she did as some sort of sympathetic act and sacrifice was patently absurd.
If they had gone with her having a psychological breakdown, and having to be brought to terms with what she was doing to snap out of it, they would have been miles ahead of the ditch they ended up in.
WandVision and Falcon & the Winter Soldier both introduced genuinely interesting ideas and dynamics - TF&WS looked for a few minutes like it’d take a really serious look at fallout from the Blip - then squandered them for their complete lack of imagination. They’re way more disappointing that She-Hulk, imo, because they at least had something to squander. I’m still struggling to accept that Hawkeye might actually be the best of the Phase 4 entries, because it really wasn’t very good, but it at least had a kind of charm and character to it.
@@TheLittlePlatoon At least they had something. She-Hulk had nothing lol.
But she wasn't the one with the guns, General.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Simple, "Hawkeye" was just so-so, not really bad and especially not character-assasinating-franchise-endingly bad.
@@GabesEdtiz She-Hulk started with nothing and managed to have even less then that when they decided to ruin other, better characters in her show
On the point about the Aztecs. Strictly speaking, the Aztecs were the inhabitants of one city (Tenochtitlan), who called themselves Mexica. The name gets applied to the hegemony through which they and two other cities ruled central Mexico. By extension, it gets applied to all the peoples of the empire. Some of the peoples of the empire were culturally assimilated by Tenochtitlan and I think they also built colonies around their empire. It's similar to how "Roman" originally meant someone who was actually from the city of Rome but was slowly applied to a broader and broader group of people.
All of that goes out the window if the merpeople came from the Yucatan, however. The Yucatan was very much Maya land.
To be clear, I haven't watched the movie so i have no idea if the merpeople are supposed to be Aztec or Maya. The filmmakers probably don't know either. I'm just leaving this comment to be clear on what the difference is: the Aztecs were one member of the triple alliance ruling central Mexico in the 15th and early 16th centuries while the Maya were and still are a group of closely related cultures and languages inhabiting the Yucatan peninsula and the lowlands of northern Guatemala/eastern Mexico and Belize.
Just to add to this, their were very much still Mayan kingdoms when the conquistadors arrived. In fact, the first Spaniards to enter a Mayan city were a handful of shipwrecked sailors that were imprisoned, sacrificed, and eaten. The only survivors were those set aside for fattening before snackrificing, two of which escaped to a neighboring Mayan kingdom where they were simply enslaved Vs sacrificed.
And... relations only went down hill from there.
My point being that there were very much many accounts of "Mayans Vs Conquistadors (which Little Platoon fixated upon)" it's just they didn't enter the history books so strongly as Cortes Vs Aztecs or Pizzaro Vs Incans. Probably because there was no one "Mayan" kingdom at the time, nor any large Mayan kingdom with hegemony over the others. IT was just a smattering of petty Mayan lords all squabbling with one another. This was also why it took ~200 years to conquer them all as there was no central authority to take over and replace.
Judging by the soundtrack, and the language chosen, they're definitely mayans. Namor even speaks mayan with the Yucatan accent
Part of the problem is it seems Wakanda Forever didn't bother making that distinction, leaving Little Platoon and others unable to make the distinction, either.
@@duncanlutz3698 Thank you for adding the word "snackrificing" to my mental vocabulary. 😅
@@RanMouri82 That's why I had to make the distinction for them 😉
Phase IV ended less with a bang .. or even a whimper, but more like a like drawn out, high pitched fart with a distinctly squidgy sound at the end.
Not even that because we all usually get a chuckle by the time one of those farts is complete. Phase 4 was just sad.
So more like a drawn out, high pitched fart that slopes down in tone until it finishes with a single puff of sad air from the dedicated anus that produced it.
@@ContemporaryCompendium More an enraged howl of THANK FUCK THIS SHIT IS OVER!!
they marketed Namor as an anti-hero. No! He's a straight up villain in this movie, everything he does is what a villain would do, nothing he does could be remotely consider "for a good reason", invade the world to protect his people? that's what killmonger did, and he is a villain for trying that!
Yes! Black Panther is the only phase 1-3 MCU film that I only watched once and made the conscious decision not to watch again.
I liked it as a better-than-average sci-fi action film, but it was unbearable to "just know" that somewhere in the world, there were people who cheered at the spiteful, venomous and regressive statements made throughout the film.
It was refreshing to see an MCU villain with their own (evil) goals, who was interesting enough to make me think (about how NOT to think about the world).
However, in the back of my mind, it was hard to ignore the subliminal messaging intended to make people rationalize or even agree with Killmonger and all the other garbage being re-presented as brand new insight.
It kinda reminds me of WW2's Eastern Front. 2 irredeemable groups killing each other.
About as much an Anti-Hero as Killmonger. 😂 i still cannot comprehend how someone can see any valid reason or action in either character. They're genocidal, supremacist, and entirely backwards.
Namor is an anti-hero in the comics (he fought alongside Captain America in WWII for example), but the Namor is this movie is basically NINO (Namor in name only). He's an entirely new character.
And even Killmonger had understandable motivation. But so did Loki.
That is what makes a great villain. You understand their position. Where they came from and what they want.
Look at the amount of "Thanos was right" stuff out there. The backstory made him a great villain. His motivation was noble and his goal admirable, but his actions made him a villain.
A great villain doesn't do evil for the sake of evil, they do so because they think they're right. It makes them persuasive. I can give a moment of "in a different life we could've been friends" between the hero and the villain.
As a Mexican, I can confirm drying the backs of our villains one-shots them. Use that knowledge the next time you get mugged by cartel members
Que apropiado es un chiste de mojados con la existencia de Namor
Ive come back after a year and i still dont know what that really means. Im guessing its a sex joke or something, but what is the actual context?
Top tier joke.
@@pricklypear1643 it's not a sex joke, also not that deep tho lol. Have you never heard mexicans referred to as wet backs? I was prompted by something in the video I can't remember anymore, but I just decided to make it canon that mexicans are amphibians and we die if our backs get dry
Prickly, one of the ways to enter the US illegally is though the Rio Grand. The illegals who do this tend to be Mexican and the racist term for it is “wetbacks” because their backs are wet from swimming across the river. The cartels also tend to be Mexican. Since Namor is “Aztec” well you should be able to put it together.
I just never understood why Namor, who didn't want to be found, mad about the vibranium detector, gives it to Wakanda so it can be back engineered and working again. On top of that I never understood why Namor and crew didn't look or try to look at/for any information on the ship as to who built the vibranium detector. They just let Wakanda handle it. Mad at Wakanda for letting people know about vibranium after BP, forgetting about Papa Stark and Captain America's shield
In the words of Ryan: "So the movie can happen"
@@Gorbz
I understood that reference.
Understood references are tight.
Wakanda is based on the country Lesotho but Namor and other smurfs can travel there from South America in no time also Lesotho is landlocked
@@Darkstar_Dayne Wakanda is based also on Ethiopia, it's even right next to it on maps. Both Lesotho and Ethiopia are landlocked countries that weren't colonised during the scramble for Africa.
@@GeraltofRivia22 And thus no advocates in the post-colonial free-for-all .. like Uganda after Idi Amin tossed out the Indians.
This weird thing where women and minorities meet and instantly become close with no regard to differences or circumstance is another feature of woke writing. "You're black? I'm black! White people, am I right?"
A notable example is the girlboss scene during that battle in Endgame. These women have no discernible connection to one another. Through the power of the vag however, they inexplicably assemble for a cringe "you go, girl!" moment.
Part of what makes crew cuts badass is the comraderie built between the crew. If you're a One Piece fan, recall the walk to Arlong park after Nami's emotional breakdown or the standoff in Ennie's Lobby at the tower of justice. Very hype.
Didn't even think about that but wow that makes a lot of sense. Especially regarding the "woman instant bond regardless of any personality differences/circumstances" trope since a lot of women can also be ridiculously judgmental to other women.
In the comics the women are even worse. They're all apparently absolutely best friends with each other and it comes off as obnoxious and totally unrealistic. Apparently it's misogynist to show that women don't absolutely adore every other woman. I understand you don't want to show every woman as being catty with each other but they've gone too far the other way.
God dammit. I know that's a real US Army commercial. It is so damn embarrassing knowing the army I gave 6 of my best years to is such an utter shit show
I'm a 19 year old American female, they advertise to me constantly wit things like TH-cam challenges and I shit you not shit like "join the U.S army! It's like a real life video game!" It's tone deaf and gross
The thing is, the military needs a certain kind of people. Those who can be rational and logical and stable in the face of danger. People who make the right decisions and stay morally clean.
That ad shows all the things that have nothing to do with what the military looks for.
@@HappyBeezerStudiosI’d also like to point out that the type of people that join the (volunteer) military almost never align with liberal political belief, at least initially. I don’t think I’ve run into one anyway
Also kinda unrelated but I still don’t think women should join the military. Not because I don’t think they can serve, I don’t think they should. It sucks ass overall, and the risks for women in combat zones are worse. Wartime is never a particularly nice time for women given, yno, every war has had some rape and female combatants are the minority and you get where I’m going. Obviously some positions are cool but like I’d never let my daughter join if she was gonna work on the frontline in any capacity
"Destroyed in watery but mostly peaceful war" - just killed me... actually full on laugh out loud moment.
The Ironman suit actually looked like it belonged in the scenes it was in. The CG was terrific. This transformers suit looks like a cartoon drawing on a green screen.
They just don't care lol
I actually though it was a clip from the newest Transformer CGI cartoon for a few moments.
@@LWolf12 Feels like an insult to the new trasnformers movies, they have style in a way marvels lacked for years.
@@germyforev4495Didn't age well 💀
I almost lost my mind because you started playing that army commercial and had me think I forgot to put my ad blocker on
You know what the tribal dancing in Wakanda Forever reminded me of? All Night Long by Lionel Richie, with those "african lyrics" partway through the song that are actually just gibberish, and the dancers in the music video doing this stereotypical African hoppity hop while barefoot.
At least the song was a bop. Can't say the same about Wokanda Whatever
"Tam bo li de say de moi ya
Yeah, Jambo, jumbo, Woke-an-duh fo-eva!"
LOL
😆😅🤣
Pretty good song.
I'm briefly reminded of Disney's 1994 Lion King. Even back then the "African lyrics" was just straight Swahili.
Edit: Zulu. I meant to say Zulu. I should know, I tested it by putting the lyrics back into google translate.
Oh, for the love of…
Well, there go my illusions that somebody had actually bothered to write African lyrics for that song that might have said something uplifting and light hearted.
(facepalm) I really should have known better.
The original 1994 Lion King lyrics were also based as fuck. Whilst I'm on the subject, when ran through a translator, you get phrases like:
"Lion, king of all animals"
"Fight"
"Overthrow the tyrant"
"Bring peace to your homeland"
Which I am 1000% certain got whitewashed in the broadway adaptations.
the problem with 'phases' is that at this point what does it even mean anymore, ever since avengers endgame it's just been one long never-ending stream of content
"Phase" in this context is a corporate term that the sudience, for some unknown reason, embraced and started to use. One would think the audience wouldn't be so invested in Marvel's business strategies, and would care about the stories they produce only, but apparently not 🤷🏻♂️
It’s like they didn’t expect phase 3 to finish! They had no road map going forward
I suspect the people responsible for Phase 1-3 all left. They may have seen The Five Year Plan coming up and bailed. I haven't seen the Russo Brothers or Joss Whedon exactly volunteering. Also their current stable of writers are kept in a stable since they emit scads of horse poop. Now add The Spirit of Wokeness and you have a recipe for Phase 4 being an utter disaster.
Phase 4 has been kinda like how I felt leaving the theater after Terminator 3 ended.
Exactly it's like Feige had no plans so now hes letting all the morons do whatever the want in phase four while he spends his time devising his phase five plans... TBH I bet they just reboot the whole thing on secret wars then pick and choose to keep the few things people liked, like Shung-Chi...all the Wakanda stuff is dead without Chadwick and the guy from get out..not to mention they just killed Angela Bassett...thats three phenomenal proven actors gone and replaced by the terrible actress that plays RiRi Williams...with a reboot, especially a Kang reboot it forces them to focus on the fantastic four, who always crossed over with Spiderman BTW, and their corner of Marvel which can then give them an excuse to segway into the X-Men
25:30 “Ramonda’s dead now so Michonne will never get her redemption.”
Same as when Avengers Endgame never gave us any resolution between Tony and Bucky. They killed off Tony just that so Bucky’s redemption was thrown out the window.
And that is actually something that can be worked with. Where is the movie where Bucky is resentful for not getting redeemed in Tony's eyes? Where is the movie where Ramonda is resentful for not getting redeemed in Michonne's eyes?
The only sensible thing to do with Okoye at that point is taking her out of the story and then show her in a post credits scene shaking hands with an enemy in an agreement to take Wakanda down. I mean this woman spent her life in servitude to the throne, even went so far as fighting and arresting her own husband. Why on earth would she try so hard to prove her loyalty after the queen all but questioned her loyalty and capability?
What redemption? The guy had nothing to redeem himself for, all he did to Tony was under mind control.
I JUST realized why this set of videos had a ringtone in the background. I thought it was a mistake, but I can see how it was absolutely intended and why that is is hilarious 😂
Well, if she turned Freaky-Fish-Guy and his people into defeated subjects, that would make her the colonizer and slaver.
That is how Wakanda started, they used the Vibranium and flower-power to conquer and subjugate all the surrounding tribes.
I also wondered why if they've been hidden from the world then why would they have "water grenades"...and living underwater how do these 'grenades' actually work or destroy any military vehicle!?
Acute pressure differentials also work underwater.
@@slaapt oh ,ok why didn't I think of that!? 🤣
I once heard from a video on the Incredibles that an underwater explosion can actually be more destructive than a surface explosion
Because the aquaztecs are actually Pokémon. Because they live in water, they are water benders, like how birds are inherently air benders.
That's more so a lesson in physics. Physics are very complicated but if you can bring yourself to understand the major element of the earth and how they affected by Gravity and pressure, everything else falls into place much easier.
"Because shut up" is basically the mantra of every marvel fan at this point.
& the race baiters
So when you questioned the extinction of the Purple Power Flower, I took to google on whether plants can grow back after being burned. Here's what came up at the top:
_It's hard to believe while surveying the aftermath of a wildfire, but plants can actually recover. Shoots can regrow from parts of the plant that are protected from the fire, such as buds buried beneath thick bark or below a layer of insulating soil._
A lot of wild plants rely on wildfires. They burn the top layers away, clear the ground and fertilise the soil via the ashes. Plants like Heather and Gorse will, without wildfires, strangle themselves and die. It's a part of nature. It's also a reason why fire breaks exist, as a big part of land management in forestry and heathland is to set deliberate burns in specific areas when land becomes too overgrown.
That is also true, as long as the land isnt too scorched and damaged. The ash kann also fertilise plants i believe
@@NiklasAV It can!
A good portion of Australian plants have evolved to need fire. The grevilleas seed pod won’t open until it’s exposed to smoke laden water, like the first rain after a wildfire. Ironically the environmentalists are doing more harm to the natural Australian environment by preventing fires allowing invasive species to thrive. Lol
But didn't Killmonger use a chemical accelerant which could potentially also poison the soil and insulated roots? 🤔
I can't say how much I appreciate this entire channel. It helps that I tend to agree with a lot that is said on this channel, but the community that has been created here is so different. I think that in this comment section, we can have respectful disagreements and actually discuss them as opposed to just yelling at each other. I wish that the people at the university I went to were half as respectful and thoughtful as the least respectful and thoughtful person in this community.
Little Platoon, you've created something special
Thats because it's structured as an actual literary analysis. Not overtly cynical for clicks and not shilling for subpar content.
He genuinely wants to provide a deep dive into why a film does or doesn't work and where these places are. How they come together or work against eachother. It's one of few channels, I've noticed, where the host actually has a deep interest in writing to properly discuss a film on its merits.
@@King63Kobra Meanwhile Marvel likely doesn’t give two shits as long as they can portray white people getting beaten in the streets. That’s Hollywood movies now.
Phase 4 was full of so many bizarre story choices and characterizations that were bizarrely stereotypical one has to wonder if the phase was either a strange meta-trolling, or most of these stories were secretly written by David Duke under various nom de plume.
It's what you get when your writing staff consists almost exclusively of affluent liberal women. No concept of reality.
I don't think it's possible to be so juvenile and historically ignorant on purpose. He'd probably dismiss some of the choices as so on the nose as to be a dead giveaway to the trolling.
Lol
I do have one theory and its that Feige had zero plans past phase three so phase four was them just okaying every garbage rejected script that had somehow made it to his desk while he wrote the outlines for phase five only because he plans to do a mass reboot in Secret Wars so he didn't even care how the.phase four stories effected the world he built because its getting a huge reboot... but ya know in that alternate realities type way where they keep the stuff they like and act like all the pther crap never happened because it was in a different reality
@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu And that is why they should've started phase 4 slowly. Going back go basics. Building up the next heroes. Just how phase 1 started. Introduce heroes, show us their growth, both as a hero and as a person. Then slowly let them meet each other before they come together to oppose an avengers level threat.
No more Marvel until next year. It's like Christmas has come early. The premiere for this video will link to a pop culture livestream I'm taking part in over @MrBrownAlliance. For those watching back later, the link to that stream is here: th-cam.com/video/2nqjG_fHRTc/w-d-xo.html
(Time constraints meant I had to split this review into three but I'll avoid that in future if at all possible. Thanks to those who stuck with it, no blame at all if you didn't!)
I just love the use of Martin Freeman doing the middle finger in the behind the scenes of The Hobbit every time you mention his character in Black Panther. It always puts a smile on my face.
Martin Freeman’s character was the main reason I sat through the first Black Panther movie more than once (I went with different friend groups to watch it). I like him as an actor, and he always has some of the best facial expressions 😂
I want to point out that Shuri's first act of super strength is greater than anything both Captain American and Chadwick's Black Panther ever managed to achieve.
She went straight superman mode lol
@@xL0stKIlah super wokeman mode
Are you surprised tho? The MCU has been on this bullshit since Captain Marvel. Women in the MCU have all achieved some sore of God Mode.
She punched back a mannequin and cracked a wall?
This is why in the evil Overlord list, you are supposed to get a general that is a five-year-old. Because if they can point out the errors in your plan you really need to rework it
The Witch Queen Savathûn, in Destiny, has a rule that her High Coven have to explain their plots to one of their children (her species' children hatch as four-foot tall berserkers with claws), and if the child can understand it, they need to rework it.
@amateur match oh my that is an older reference but it certainly checks out.
As someone who technically fits into the alphabet soup mafia, but wants nothing to do with the identity politics they peddle I am beyond happy I found your channel via Critical Drinker. Thank you for pointing out the nosedive in quality modern entertainment has taken.
You are not in the mafia. We legit got to a point where my best friend who is gay uses gay as an insult and i, the straith man, am the one who get's stunned by it. This all has some positive effects obviously, the problem is that in the war against right wing extremism, left wing extremism somehow ended up as a supported ideology.
@@bencegergohocz5988 I never said I was in the mafia; it's called a "turn of phrase." Furthermore, I don't believe using that word as an insult is hate speech. I think "hate speech" is nebulous and impossible to define. Even if it could be defined, I certainly wouldn't allow the government to be the one to define it. The whole "gay" as an insult thing is severely overblown and in your situation it's clear you're the one with the issue...not your alleged gay friends.
While you're at it, care to define "right-wing extremism"? I'm dying to know what you think that is.
@@pokeme5293 i'm not sure why you came at me with the assumption that i'm a leftist or something... i'm agreeing with your here but sure...
Btw, i have no idea where the fuck you pulled the idea thqt i have a problem with my frined. That one is actually pretty irritating, i'm not ganna lie.
All i said is that the fact that i'm the one who is shocked by it clearly shows things are wierd.... i realy don't get what made you this agro.
Extremeism is extremeism regardless of what "side". I recommand watching the Efap on the synthetic mans shit ass god of war review cause that man is the deffinition of a right wing extremist (basicly a walking talking caricature). Don't fall into the misguided belief that everyone in a large group is a reasonable person.
@@bencegergohocz5988 You led with "you're not in the mafia." Seemed passive aggressive, I don't do passive aggro...I only do full-on aggro. So I responded in kind. I'm willing to walk that back and apologize...sorry. Syntheticman does not represent all right-wing people or their ideals, he's a click-bait grifter on his best day.
I like how you actually pasted in footage of a low budget power rangers cartoon in place of iron girl's suit.
I love the elegance in which you construct your critique. It’s so inspiring that it leads me to reflect on my own personal way of doing the same in my day to day life.
I absolutely love listening to you.
Thank you ❤️
You know, the first film established that Vibranium does not like sonics, Bilbo was made aware of that and it was how Erik died. Couldn't the US military have potentially annihilated their defenses with sound based riot control cannons?
Yes.
At least until they decide that vibranium isn't actually affected by sonic force. Or the energy shields they can create can also actually stop sound. Or whatever else they decide vibranium can suddenly do.
I thought it was electromagnets.
I figured that in order to make vibranium moldable, you have to make an electromagnet with raw vibranium, which can then allow the metal to soften and mold into whatever you want it to be.
@@silverprimus321boi9 No, no, in the scene Ross correctly identifies the trains as maglev, but is blown away by the efficiency. And when he asks about the "light panels" along the sides that move as the trains pass, Shuri's line is:
_"Sonic stabilizers... In its raw form, Vibranium is too dangerous to be transported at those speeds. I developed them to temporarily deactivate it."_
Doesn't like sonics, you say...
How did we miss out on a Doctor Who/Hedgehog (blue)/Wakandan Boogaloo cross-over event!?
@@anthonysaylor8120 oh.
Still, the idea of electromagnets works way better than sound.
If loud shit can make vibranium weak, than there's no point to it.
Often a joke wears thin when repeated too often, but the continuous use of the Nokia sound is absolutely brilliant.
Luckily it's not pointed to with the phrase "LOOK ITS THE NOKIA THEME ARE YOU LAUGHING"
It's even better cuz I didn't even notice it at first until halfway through and since he never calls attention to it, just slips it in without warning I always laugh.
That is how you make a joke, a reference, right. Just have it be there, not obnoxiously point it out. People who get it, get it. People who don't get it, don't notice it.
Every time I buy some thing it comes with a little white packet that says “desiccant do not eat”. If you poured a bunch of that crap over Namor he would dry out instantly.
I act like I don’t know what it is but it is diatomaceous earth and it is quite easy to come by. It is incredibly effective and it would pretty much turn anyone into a dry husk.
“Augh! The silica gel packet from a bag of beef jerky, my one weakness! Who ever thought a little girl could desiccate a flying fish man like me? I’m melting, melllltiiing… oh, what a world, what a world…..”
He would die to da well aimed bag of dust...
@@doughauck57And afterwards he gets salted and dried and displayed.
How does Namor know about technology and know who created the device? They conveniently went where the bridge to get Riri also they travel underwater on whales by night(which is cold by night time), so why is both Shuri and Riri not dead by hypothermia?
To quote the video shut up that's why
Because it’s a terrible movie
I'm still baffled by the ludicrous choices Marvel made in stage 4. They had a blueprint for success with what had come before: a dangerous allover villain building up to a big confrontation, with pieces of each movie featuring a bit of the puzzle. Instead we got disjointed stand alone films which sidelined the titular heroes, relegating them to second fiddles in their own films. Tonally they're a mess, with no logic. This phase has sucked big time, but it didn't have to.
Given what they're trying to do they greatly reduced their chances of success. We know you can tell good stories about Iron Man, Captain America (the real one) and T'challa because those characters have worked for decades. Riri Willaims, Captain Falcon, and Shuri don't have everything already worked out for the movie writers. There aren't any really classic stories featuring those characters either. Not that it matters because the movies have almost entirely moved on from adapting stories from the comics too. Once again it's easy to know what stories work when you can look at the decades worth of comics to see which ones people remember. The MCU (and even Marvel Comics) also has a surprisingly few memorable villains. That's especially true if you're talking about villains that are a potential world ending threat. They've done Ultron and Thanos with the Infinty Guantlet and already screwed up Kang. I guess Galactus would be next then maybe Annihlus and the Annihilation Wave. Then what?
They've already given us Kang, who would make up for a great next main villain. Especially with the council of Kangs and the fact that a Kang can never really die for good.
Okay, let's go with the following:
- Phase 4 introduces new heroes, tell us their origin stories. Show us their growth. Make us care about them. Bring the Sokovia Accords into play. Show us the result of the snap and the blip. Start it slow.
- The last movie before the finale of Phase 4 is Ant Man 3, but Kang escapes in the end. Kangs plan is a threat to the multiverse because among his kind he is considered insane. Instead of joining the council he wants to rule by himself and shut the main universe off from the outside. Since he can't properly die (and the Kangs know that), they imprisoned him.
- He is the big villain of that phase, he gets beaten in the next movie, but the heroes now know that there is the council out there. Kang told them. He proclaims he isn't a villain, but the only rescue for that universe.
- After his event, make the old and the new heroes come together and figure out a solution. More hijinks ensues. That is phase 5. The main focus is on figuring out solutions do deal with the council of Kangs and working as a big team. Have every villain somehow connected to a different Kang who wants to take over or destroy the main universe in the absence of it's Kang.
- Phase 6 starts with the arrival of the other Kangs. Have them appear everywhere. But start with the weaker ones. They are individually beaten. The big finale is the entirety of the council attacking at once. We don't have one individual villain, we have an army of near identical villains. (Ultron anyone?)
What would've elevated this movie would be a scene in which Namor approaches Queen Ramonda Velaryon (First of her Name) and says "You cannot say Namor(rrrr) without Amor(rrrr)" and plays castanets to emphasize the point.
I think i would have just jizzed so much at the cinemas
"Black Panther 2: Wakandan Boogaloo." I just about shot iced coffee out of my nose. 😂😂
I will also never get tired of the phone ringing every time you say Nakia's name.
They could have done so much more with Namor...
This is even more ironic now that Jason Momoa is being removed from the role of Aquaman, so the need to avoid comparison has been removed.
Hell they could have brought in Jim Hammond to help bounce off of Namor
They could've, but it's already pretty fucking stupid to decide to crown a character as your next main villian, that you don't own most of the copyrights to 😅 the added pseudo-inclusion/ -profundity to the name "Namor" (el niño siN AMOR) is just the icing on the cake
I had hope for this movie and I was 100% on board with Aztec Namor until they unashamedly advertise him as yet another vessel for identity politics bullshit with no real character.
The actor even said he gets to play a character that represents his culture. The audacity!
Dude, are you from Talocan? Or are you saying Mexicans live in deep sea and worship a man with tiny wings on his ankles? And where's the Mexican filter in Talocan?
@@tantalizingfgc Yep, they somehow thought casting a Mexican man, to play a supposed Aztec/Mayan was "pRoGrEsSiVe!!!111!!!!11", when all three are different peoples all together. Funny, that.
Ah well, the real tragedy here is that we waited this long to see how the MCU would handle Namor, and now we're never gonna see him. We're stuck with Kukulkan.
I agree with you, but the one thing that aggravates me that the writer or the director didn't realize. Was that in the first movie the Spears? They have shoot concussion blast out of it just like the iron Man suit, throughout the movie they didn't once used those weapons like they never existed to begin with.
The thing I liked about Kate Bishop is that she fucked up repeatedly and her fucked up's had consequences and Even when she succeeded early on it was entirely a fluke, They made a point of emphasizing certain things, Like how the pipe broke which caused her to fall on an enemy.
It's actually one of the few MCU shows I like.
Figures Hawkeye show and the one avenger they don't do much with comes out unscathed.
Yet they can't do better with the more popular heroes in phase 4?
I notice those woke fucks never mention Hawkeye despite it having a skilled and rather successful female main protagonist. Is it because she walks beside her male idol/mentor instead of outright replacing him?
Also, Layla from Moon Knight. (And to some extent, the Hippo goddess.) They go apeshit about how we hate the likes of Captain Marvel and She-Hulk but they don't seem to acknowledge how people go crazy over the "strong" women who are likable.
@@Thomasmemoryscentral It's the fact that they have more eyes on those popular characters that makes them ripe for ruining. It's like how the new Star Wars show massively screwed up, except for the one that barely has any established/popular characters (Andor).
As intellectually challenging, complex, and fulfilling as your works always are, I found that one thing in particular in this episode stood out. It must, therefore, be mentioned, and appropriately lauded. I am a YUGE fan of the Venture Brothers. The subtle musical background tone of "Sphinx!!" every time the secret organization's name was ever mentioned never failed to amuse me. In addition, though American, I lived in Germany from 1987 until 2002. This means that I was, indeed, the proud owner of several Nokia phones in the late 90s. Your relentless playing of the ringtone during the entirety of this 6 hour episode was entirely warranted. Well done, sir .. Well done.
my question is: if he was gonna nuke the world, wouldn't that affect the landscape, poison nature in the process and has a good chance of affecting the marine lives as well? Namor did not think that through.
Organic nukes, duh!
And that is the least of his issues.
If he wants to stay hidden, then why not stay hidden. oh but there are threats to that? how about sending in people undercover to manipulate the outside world to keep his country hidden.
And Wakanda is in a slightly different position. They've already shown themselves, and that they have the means to defend themselves. They can say "if you mess with us, you'll regret it"
So Namor, king of an hidden, isolationist country never had the idea to contact the other isolationist country in secret for an alliance? The Wakandans are the perfect tool to keep is country secret. Go into a mutually beneficial alliance and employ wakandan agents with the manipulation.
The writers didn’t think this through. Seems to be a post-Endgame thing.
Why isn't Michone (I have no idea how to spell it) the new Black Panther? She is established over two movies as an incredibly bad ass fighter already, one who has already proven she'd be a very effective protector. The first movie made it clear that Black Panther and King/Queen are two separate roles, so make her the defender of Wakanda; it's more believable and she's earned it, and it'd fit as some sort of redemption for her earlier "failure" to take on that mantle.
Because it's never said in the movies but only people of a certain bloodline can drink the purple flower and not die. Also I guarantee you this was not the reason she wasn't black panther and the writers did not even consider this. They basically went into this movie with "how can we make Shuri Black Panther, and also introduce mutants and make it make sense?"
Your conclusion was beyond anything I've heard anyone say so directly and correctly in a long time. Cheers!
You are quickly becoming my favorite reviewer. You bring so much more to the table than just "woke is bad m'kay" like some others do, and it is. But you offer a much wider perspective and insight. I really enjoy your content.
So, you like being emasculated? Plus, let’s be real, these movies are just advocates for black supremacy and the genocide of white people, which is what Marvel wants. Maybe segregation doesn’t sound so bad after all if niggas don’t want to be subjugated under America’s laws.
the difference in story consistancy and development between just 20 years ago and now is astonishing
Calling him “freaky fish guy” has to be a yugioh the abridged series reference.
My deck is full of internet references.
Another top notch video! Great work. Your video essays are very very well done. Thank you!
love how consistent the nokia joke is
you would think after a dozen time you would stop as it was getting old
but you stuck with it and it worked
My issue is not with black panther being successful, it is the bullshit that it is the first black lead superhero movie, that was “allowed” to happen… (Blade was)
This makes as much sense as Jennifer Lawrence saying she broke the mould by being the first female action lead actress… 🙄🤦🏼♂️
1:06:38 - 1:07:35 Genuinely, thank you for including such a well-worded look at this topic. Because far too many people I've come across JUST hate diversity because "must be some agenda ig", or JUST applaud diversity because doing anything else would make them look bad.
I just felt it was unnecessary for The queen to die, especially since there were poles for her to lift herself up. Also the Queen Just standing there.. awful
She probably didn't wanna be in anymore sequels
Yeah, she could have just pulled Riri aside, grabbed onto something, and waited for the water to come through.
@@ROCKit2gravethat is the exact reason
I think Nah More is Aztec as well. But there are literally STILL Mayans now. The society collapsed, the people didn't just keel over and die all of a sudden
dont worry, phase 5 will be worse. now they will have tv shows based on extras.
**cough** Echo! **cough**
I heard the actor who plays fish-guy didn’t know how to swim prior to this movie…
Why isn't Shuri blue if she created a hybrid using her brother's blood, dead leaves of five years and a strand? Make that makes sense.
Love your Jeremy Clarkson’s clips. This is without question the best review on Wakanda Forever ‘In.The.World”.
Platoon never fails to disappoint. I wish I had more friends like you around here.
That’s what the internet is for!
Yeah but we don’t get to hang out and drink port and go to movies together and laugh our asses off. And debate philosophy by the fireplace until the wee hours of the night.
For whatever reason I had high hopes for this film, the villain and his motivations really let this down i feel. I think they were going for Namor being an opportunist who changes his plans depending on the situation (like his character in the comics) but I think they couldn’t execute that because they didn’t give him a strong enough goal in the first place so we understand his ultimate motivations when he changes his plans.
Him not killing the girl at first opportunity was basically what broke his entire character. That was his entire goal. he wanted to keep his country hidden and she was the only known threat to that. And he got her captured. He could've won right then, right there.
His plan B of seeking an alliance with Wakanda also seems plausibe. Both are isolationist, but Wakanda has already made it's existence known. So why not ally and use Wakandas agents to keep himself hidden.
But he acts like a stereotypical James Bond villain.
After capturing Bond he doesn't shoot him. No, he explains his plan, then straps Bond to some complicated machinery that will kill Bond slowly. Especially when they have no common history that would give a reason to make it personal and painful.
That is so stereotypical, that even the Bond movies don't do it anymore for decades.
That editing tho. Absolutely masterful. The ":Don't worry, there will be time for that later" with iron man was perfect.
I found this review series of the movie more entertaining than the actual movie itself.
I found your Channel back few months ago, subbed but only now i started consuming a lot of your long form content.
I have to say you know your stuff, not just the source materials and not just in regards to Marvel of course, but just genuine knowledge about writing, about how people read into these things.
The sentiments are consistent across franchises, i can draw a line from your ROP, Star wars, Marvel videos and it's still consistent. I really liked one such sentiment in one of your ROP video is that LOTR was Universal, Narrative, the characters, their struggles, desires, achievements and heroism awoke emotions universal among us, something that we can share among the many distinctive but often oppositional views and beliefs, despite all these there is a way to not generalize yet still be Universal on a rudimentary level and have that shared experience across communities. While ROP is localizing its characters, it's narrative while pretending to be bigger in scope then LOTR on the "social" front. Ultimately, separating it's viewers
That sentiment is transferable, a American company, with American Actors and Writers creating a story set in Africa, doing the stereotypes of WHAT THEY think Africa is, then injecting the corrupted spirit of modern America. Because They surely know it better then the Local people. The endeavor itself is set to fail, the idea of Wakanda is localized either way, you either Fail to impress the Africans wich they did but when did covering your ears and blame shifting didn't help ? Or you fail to impress your Americans on delivering the premise of portraying a Fictional place set in Africa, even tho.. That Portrayal is dictated by the minds of Americans, of what they think Africa must be like, they must be like them, African Americans, after all Americans are just American Africans.. Wait what ? not gonna lie, the more i think about it the more sickening it is.
I just wanna say if you read this, i appreciate your work.
Ah yes.. calling agent Everett ''colonizer'' multiple times because the acts of his ancestors. That would be like calling a German a ''nazi'' or calling a Japanese ''japanese imperial soldier''. It wouldn't sound okay, right? So why is suppose to be funny when black people apply this kind of humor?
Because they're Black, and it's impossible for Black people to be racist.
I'm actually from Africa (Benin to be precise), and personally, I think it's pretty cool for more black people to play in more movies ! But like... I rather the movies where black people are starred in be good...
If I had to choose between a good movie with a white protagonist and a bad movie with a black protagonist, I'd choose the good one, without hesitation. Which is a shame, because I shouldn't have to choose, there should be as much good movies with white actors as good movies with black actors if people really wanted equality n all
So please make good movies and not just make pseudo-political-messages movies 😕
(Also, sorry if I've been messy, I'm still learning English, but even so, I really like this channel ! Please continue to do your best !)
Unfortunately, these days good movies are in such short supply, you'll be hard pressed to find one with ANY protagonist.
No apologies necessary, you put a lot of native English speakers to shame! And yep, I completely agree. It’s the same with female and gay characters. Would I like to see more of them? Well, yes, if they’re *good*. You do these groups no service if they’re just represented by terrible writing.
It DID bother how the film was trying to make us root for the Wakandans yet they were written to be needlessly hostile.
In BP 1 and 2 every time I heard “coloniser” I thought “shut the fuck up, this is just forced.”
And the namor people were just as bad as them
Both were fucked up civilizations
Finally getting a chance to listen to your stuff as I work around the house, I’m never bored or disappointed in your points in your reviews. Cynic, despot, Gary..etc.. have given me all the rest of the entertainment I shall need. Thank you
When I heard that Coates took over for the Black Panther comics, that sent chills down my spine
I know. I knew that was the end, for T'Challa. Then he somehow got Captain America.
They also had John Ridley, who wrote the screenplay for _12 Years a Slave,_ write Black Panther. But to me John Ridely will always be known as the guy who wrote a comic where Superman gets raped.
@@BiggieTrismegistus Makes things even worse, somehow
@@jonathanhargraves2241 The most annoying thing is how little outrage about the story there was. Can you imagine the absolute shit storm that would erupt if DC published a comic book where Wonder Woman got raped?
According to Ridely he was trying to make a point about how personal and societal trauma isn't adequately dealt with and people just try to forget unpleasant things happened. There are certainly stories to be told from that perspective but do we really need to tell them with Superman?
Well done. This was such a good video. Well put together and elegantly put. I always enjoy your videos! Keep up the good work! 👍
Thank you very much!
Hello again Platoon. I wont lie, the first teaser for this movie actually got me hyped. So sad to see it was the same as the other phase 4 movies.
Lets hope they sort things out in phase 5.
I think this one had a couple of moments that were above the Phase 4 average in terms of quality. But if it weren’t for the Chadwick memorials that bookend it, it’d have been indistinguishable from generic Phase 4 sludge.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Dude, just say you didn't get it. I personally didn't understand why everyone thought Tony Stark was amazing. Ironman was awesome but Stark was a dick. Glad they humbled him when Captain America came along
@@suzygirl1843 Um, I’m confused, he didn’t mention Tony at all.
@@suzygirl1843 Tony Stark being a snarky and egotistical dick, and - here’s the important part - constantly getting bitten in the ass by it, is an important part of the MCU canon.
Tony’s ego is what gets him captured by terrorists in Iron Man 1. It causes him to reveal his secret identity, leading to his almost getting killed in IM2, and the resulting PTSD that he starts off with in IM3. In that movie, his egotistical “come and get me” dare gets his house blown up and Pepper almost killed, by a guy who was only his enemy because he’d been a snarky dick to him in the past. It drives the plot of Age of Ultron, and by extension, Civil War.
The truth is, he got humbled again and again and again. If you don’t see that, or understand why that would make him human and likable in spite of his snark, then maybe you’re the one who doesn’t get it.
@@suzygirl1843 Childish AND pointless whataboutism?....it is going to be a good day.
I'm sorry I have to add one more thing. If they stayed with the comic book slightly, they could have explain that the first king of that tribe that found the plant that gives the black panther strength. When he consumed it nearly killed them and the only reason why I survived he might have been a mutant could be used for future purposes or inhuman could be used to future purposes. And that's why it can only be taken by his bloodline hence killmonger and then add it in when the first king tried to use it for his people. Those who volunteered instantly died excruciating painful deaths and he realized only his bloodline can handle it after his son ate the fruit trying to be like his dad.
Given how the purple goo works as a superhuman dispenser. I'm shocked they haven't retconned captain americas super soldier syrum to have wakanda be somewhat involved, probably stolen goo.
Fits well within the worldview, surprised they've yet to do that.
The comics featured a story called _Truth: Red, White and Black_ where during WWII the US government carries out unethical experiments on black men trying to recreate the super soldier serum. It actually works on one guy named Isiah Bradley but the US government doesn't want a black Captain America so they don't reveal his existence. Bradley goes off and fights anyway and becomes a legend...but only to black Americans. And I don't mean white people don't rate him as highly as Steve Rogers, they've literally never heard of Isiah Bradley. How in the hell someone can be a hero to black Americans but *completely unknown* to white Americans *for decades* is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in comics.
I wasn't aware that Nokia had a dedicated Superheroics Division. You learn something new every day.
Hey so I'm new to your channel and I've listened to the advice you gave during your review of Rings of Power and I'm actually going to try my hand at writing a novel series
I have no idea if it will be any good or succeed but I agree, let's tell our own stories rather than wait for Hollywood to stop crapping out terrible movies
Love your content and I look forward to new videos
P.S. Would you consider reviewing John Wick?
Definitely have a go! Honestly, the most important advice is “finish it”. “F- it” are the two most useful words in the English language. I know plenty of very talented people who write 5 brilliant pages, get stuck, and abandon it. Ultimately, a finished book could be terrible - and still be better than that brilliant 5 pages. You learn persistence, you formulate, you develop styles and ideas; it may be that you reach the end and hate it, but your next one will be better, and your ideas can be repurposed.
This channel is turning out to be one of my favourite.
...in the world.
"And he has no penis." Sound like a typical current year marvel male character.
I really like your style. Thanks for your work! I think it would be very interesting to see you talking to for example “F.D Signifier”. Smart people from different povs having a well spirited discussion is a rare thing and you two might make a nice match.
18:55 - In defense of the movie, I think I understand the intention. At the start of the film, Shuri was trying to synthesize the flower from scratch. DNA and all.
Having another ancient plant grown from Vibranium supplied enough genetic information to make it work.
Doesn't excuse the contrivance that he gave her a plant no real reason.
The end of that movie where the kid says he is a prince feel so cringe when you view it not only in the way Wakanda does its line of succession (through combat), but also how more regular monarchies operate. If you married someone in secret (did they even mentioned they got married, or just that it's the guy's son?) and not have a state ceremony for it, chances are the kid would be viewed as a bastard with no legitimacy... Not like you needed that anyway to become a challenger to the throne...
If there was a legitimate heir, sure. But when there isn't a direct one, it actually could be considered a fair claim; in real life, you'd have various relatives and in-laws lining up behind different claimants.
Given how bad the first Black Panther was and how much Marvel has declined since, the chance Wakanda Forever would be other than garbage was vanishingly small.
Then again, the very fact that the fish people are now "under Wakanda's protection" kinda makes them colonized and Wakanda the colonizers. Classy M-She-u.
Yes sir part 2 with Platoon, def happy to see this in my feed my guy!!! Been lookin forward to this
Woke Phase Four:
WandaVision: Female-led show that introduces two more major female characters, Agatha Harkness
(who will get her own series) and Monica Rambeau. A cameo by Dr. Strange intended to explain all the
commercials as his efforts to contact her through the Hex was written out despite the fact that it would
make perfect sense and tie the series into the larger MCU because it was thought that even the
appearance of a major male character would somehow detract from Wanda’s journey. That leaves the
show’s only white male as the villain, naturally. We are also introduced to Wanda’s two children, one of
which we know will grow up to be gay (future box checked).
Falcon & the Winter Soldier: The first half of the show largely involves lecturing the audience on how
racist America is, even though there was not a single MCU fan who didn’t cry or cheer (or both) when
Steve handed over his shield to Sam. Towards the end the show shifts gears to start lecturing the
audience on immigration and open borders instead. The villain is a female POC, but we find out she’s
not really a bad guy after all, with the darkest acts actually committed by the new white male Captain
America. We also get introduced to a major new female character in Contessa Valentina.
Loki: The series is promoted as being about the male character Loki, but the plot is actually centered
around the new female version of Loki (a theme that will continue). Male Loki spends most of the film
trying to catch up with or figure out the machinations of female Loki who is always two steps ahead,
giving us a female character who is better than the show’s main male character at whatever the male
character is supposedly the best at (another theme that will continue). Kang the Conqueror, a major
character and descendant of white Reed Richards, is race-swapped to be black.
Black Widow: Female-led movie that introduces several new major female characters in Yelena Belova
and the Iron Maiden. Taskmaster was inexplicably gender-swapped to female as well, retconning the
character’s powers and entire origin story to do so. The only males in the film are a simp desperate for
Natasha’s approval, a deadbeat Dad who only succeeds at being a punchline for the basest forms of
toxic masculinity and a two-dimensional misogynist white male villain so over-the-top and cartoony that
he actually says out loud that the world has too many little girls in it.
Shang-Chi: Another obscure character that no one was asking for is introduced so that he can be touted
as the first Chinese super-hero, crossing off another box on the identity politics bingo card. We meet
multiple new female characters, including Shang-Chi’s sister, who is given little plot development and
seems to only be in the film to kick Shang-Chi’s ass, giving us a female character who is better than the
show’s main male character at whatever the male character is supposedly the best at. She may be
getting her own series.
Eternals: A movie about an obscure super team that no one asked for and one that has massive
implication in the MCU but is then completely ignored by all other MCU productions. The team
predominantly features gay members, handicapped members, race-swapped members and gender-
swapped members. Despite it being the most ‘diverse and inclusive’ cast ever, the movie was watched
by literally no one.
Hawkeye: The series is promoted as being about the male character Hawkeye, but the plot is actually
centered around the new female version of Hawkeye. It also features the female anti-hero Yelena
Belova and introduces a major new female character, the Native American and handicapped Echo (who
will get her own series).
Spider-Man - No Way Home: The only MCU film not owned by Disney. There is no identity politics in it
whatsoever, instead focusing on nostalgia and great story-telling. Consequently, it became far and away
the biggest hit of the entire MCU post-Endgame.
Dr. Strange and the Multi-Verse of Madness: The movie was promoted as being about the male
character Stephen Strange, but the plot is centered around Wanda Maximoff. Strange spends the entire
movie running from or unsuccessfully trying to hold off Wanda’s powerful magic, giving us a female
character who is better than the show’s main male character at whatever the male character is
supposedly the best at. It also introduces us to a major new female character in Hispanic America
Chavez, who has two gay moms and manages to lecture the audience on how food (and presumably
healthcare) should be free for all. After Dr. Strange repeatedly fails to save the day, Wanda ends up
redeeming her own self and seemingly sacrificing herself in the process. A post-credit cameo also
introduces us to yet another major female character in Clea.
Ms. Marvel: Female-led show that introduces us to the major female character and first-ever Muslim
character (another box checked), the otherwise obscure and un-asked for Ms. Marvel. This show will tie
in to the upcoming all-female movie The Marvels, featuring Captain Marvel and Monica Rambeau.
Thor: Love and Thunder: This show is promoted as being about the male character Thor but the plot is
actually centered around the new female Thor (Jane Foster) and her battle with cancer. Female Thor,
dubbed ‘The Mighty Thor’, is also able to command the loyalty and powers of Mjolnir (which reforms
solely for her) better than male Thor, giving us a female character who is better than the show’s main
male character at whatever the male character is supposedly the best at. We are also introduced to a
brand-new female character in ‘Love’ at the movie’s end. The movie is a wealth of identity box-checking
as it features bisexual Norse-but-somehow-still-black Valkyrie, the non-binary son of Norse-but-
somehow-still-black Heimdall (who manages to lecture the audience on the evils of ‘dead-naming’), gay
Korg, gay Korg’s two gay dads and even a cross-dressing Miek. The phenomenal performance of the evil
alien-but-somehow-still-whiter-than-white villain is unfortunately wasted and the virtues of the rainbow
coalition are even further promoted by giving us an evil realm whose main distinctive feature is its
oppression and exclusion of diverse colors. Also, the legendary God Zeus is depicted as overly-
effeminate (complete with a flouncy little skirt) and the subtext of the entire film is essentially a scathing
indictment of religion and, by extension, anyone who would be foolish enough to actually be religious.
She-Hulk - Attorney at Law: Female-led series that introduces us to the major female character Jennifer
Walters Her origin story is inexplicably changed away from having Bruce Banner save her life to it merely
being an accident in a canon-shredding case of Hulk’s blood simply touching hers. Unlike Bruce, Jennifer
immediately has full control of her mental faculties and can combine her power and her intelligence in a
way that it took Bruce years and years to master (even though he was one of the world’s leading
scientific geniuses), giving us a female character who is better than the show’s male character at
whatever the male character is supposedly the best at. The series shifted away from its intended
premise of court-room procedural when the showrunner realized that no one in the writer’s room ‘knew
how to write courtroom drama’ (?) and instead leaned into token female empowerment in every way
imaginable, from having a beloved male hero forced to take the ‘walk of shame’ to making the ultimate
villains be cartoonish white male incels and internet trolls.
Black Panther - Wakanda Forever: Namor’s backstory and origins are completely retconned so that Marvel
can have its first Mexican character (another box checked) and of course we replace male Black Panther with
female Black Panther and introducing a black female Ironheart (who will get her own series) to replace the white male
Iron Man. Continuing the well-established trend, both will undoubtedly be better at whatever the male hero they are
replacing was best at. Interestingly, somehow the Aztec-born Namor managed to be around for his original culture to be
subjugated by white slave owners but somehow missed the rape, murder, enslavement, human sacrifice and cannibalism
that the Aztec themselves were notorious for for centuries.
I think I spot a theme