As an African myself, born in Ghana and raised in both Ghana and the UK, Black Panther's depiction of African culture is kitsch to say the least. I'm glad that you mentioned it is a Black American's vision of what is African and it makes no sense. There is no such thing as "African culture" because Africa is the most ethnically diverse continent in the world. For example, in Ghana there are over 100 distinct indigenous languages in a population of 30 million people. I found the film to be incredibly ignorant and frankly Wakanda as a nation I didn't like at all because of their haughtiness, xenophobia and racism.
It’s spiritually empty, too. You’d come away thinking all it takes to capture “Africanness” is wearing certain clothes and dancing. No sense of religion, of meaning to the rituals, of tribal culture - it’s just fashion.
@@TheLittlePlatoon but they do show religion and the rituals are indeed Imp in the Black Panther Movie. T'Chala meeting their Panther God after taking the flower, the gods statue all around the nation, the whole ritual of choosing and becoming the king after being buried hin sand and then rising again symbolising Rebirth of a Prince as a King as Black Panther. Please explain what did you mean, I think I'm confused
@@Farhan917 to be fair their location makes it look like they would be in contact with the ethiopians and kushites but if they are based on dahomey that does not make sense like if a place in nothern norway is based on the swedes when the ethnic majority is norwegian and samic/sapmi/samisk mostly samisk but there are a larg majority of norwegian in the southern parts of northern norway around the coast
The entire “infiltrate” the school thing is really funny because you can literally just walk on campus at pretty much any campus in America. You don’t have to be a super spy, you literally just walk up and walk onto campus, it’s super easy, barely inconvenient.
Yep, My cousin was a drug dealer and he used to sell drugs on Campus of universities He literally just walked in and hanged around, He did it for YEAR'S absolutely nobody cared lmao
It seems like the writers have forgotten that. It looks like they just wanted to base it off of historical anger or something now? Its like were taking a step back. I dunno how to explain it, but the whole thing feels like its only about race? I feel it lately more too, that stuff like this only concentrates about that and separates the groups from each other instead of bringing them together, which the end of the first movie wanted to do
In the comics, it was basically always an issue for T'challa. When M'baku usurped Wakanda's throne by killing T'chaka, T'challa fled for America to recruit some of the more publicly-known superheroes to help take his throne back. In the original comics he petitioned the Fantastic Four, while in _Earth's Mightiest Heroes'_ functional remake of this story, he went to the Avengers. In fact, he had a great exchange with Cap, who suggested that it was wrong to usurp a leader that the people approved of and stood behind, only for T'challa to lament that his people were bound by a backwards, brutal tradition that did more to hold them back by allowing such a coup in the first place. It was a great showcase of the values of the two supersoldiers from wildly different cultures. By seeking the help of foreigners to take his throne and country back, it opened T'challa's eyes to how vulnerable Wakanda's isolationism had left them in an increasingly hero-dominated world. In fact, once becoming Black Panther himself, T'challa actually undid a lot of Wakanda's more backwards policies, including the trial by combat. (Though in EMH, he did reinstate it for about a minute to screw with Hawkeye one time because T'challa wasn't above some occasional playful trolling during downtime. He had great chemistry with Hawkeye...) Black Panther actually had one of the longer tenures working with the Avengers, confident that his people could essentially handle things themselves in his absence after his revolutionary decrees. But no, the Wakanda and the Black Panther of the MCU are little more than a flanderized parody, a shadow of the dignity they could have had...
His father was talking about that back in the _Avengers Civil War_ film. "Wakanda cannot stand alone. Wakanda must be part of the wider world." etc They just have to keep hitting that reset button like Skinner's pigeons though.
No the ending of the first one was that the white cop side character saving the world/wakanda , that's called a room of white ppl writing a bad black lead movie..... how convenient
Holy crap, I forgot that T'Challa was one of the Snapped. That's a pretty big plot hole, after a good year or so of his absence they definitely would have chosen another Panther.
@@HeII0_th3r3 yeah. M'Baku, of the great ape tribe, also implies he never sought to take the mantle out of respect for T'Challa's family during that time
The fact that Shuri thought "oh shit, killing an attendant in Talokan is going to start a war" and not "shit, killing a bunch of CIA agents on American soil is going to start a war, especially after they already heavily suspected us of killing a shitload on a vibranium research platform."
@@aezurefx Talokan is way stronger than the US. Right. So despite the fact that Prologue Research Lady actually shot and downed several with a handgun, Talokan's gonna stand up against anti-tank rifles, depth charges, and nuclear weaponry. Before you say "but vibranium," Black Panther 1 establishes that sonics can fuck with the qualities of Vibranium. It's how T'Challa lands the fatal blow on Killmonger despite both having Vibranium suits. Now, water is actually a really good environment for sound to travel. Goes a lot faster than in air due to the density. Means it's a lot more powerful, a lot louder than on the surface. The Wakandans have whole railway systems designed to pump out this frequency on the DAILY for all the transport of vibranium. They aim that shit at Talokan, they are FUCKED.
@@anthonysaylor8120 wait I forgot sonics can do that. We have actually have sound technology that can kill people. That's like an instant lose for the vibrofriends.
@@anthonysaylor8120 Sonics? You misunderstood. Within the train system there were sonic stabilizers in place that sought to disable all vibranium during travel because the metal would heat up moving at those high speeds. Shuri is the developer of this technology alone and a sonic stabilizer is a different composition than a basic sonic wave considering how the sonic waves were focused rather than dispersed as normal sound, we don't have enough information on what "sonic stabilization" entails nor how it differentiates from Sonic waves in general. We've seen Shuri use a smaller application of these sonic stabilizers in her gauntlets against Killmonger, he ended up breaking them within seconds. There are no weapons that other nations weild that can properly combat vibranium within the MCU.
You nailed one of the key plotholes (or piss poor writing decisions): Namor wants the surface world to remain ignorant about his people, and yet decides that an invasion of Wakanda would somehow keep them off of the world's radar. This makes ZERO sense. ZERO.
@@Caffeine_Club As far as im aware this is all taking place within wakanda right? Who knows whats going there? I don't remember the other movies so maybe they have embassy's or spies maybe
His ethnic swap seems as exploitative as the use of "African culture" in this film. Atlantis is a Greek legend, complete with suspected locations, first written about by Plato. Where the hell did the Mayan angle come from? It was forced and extremely superficial.
@@RecluseBootsy Something about "wanting to change his ethnicity because he sounds too similar to DC's Aquaman" And since they're already heavily exploiting Africa, they might as well exploit another culture that got screwed by "white people".
@@andehuimatadamas5643 Well... the thing is, calling any white person who is alive today colonizer can be considered racist because the white elites and their soldiers of the white majority countries did the "colonization"(more like occupation and enslavement and pillaging) hundreds of years ago... the great great great grandfather of the elites so not even them are responsible today let alone the average folk who was toiling away on land and later in factories while all of that took place. There is not much else connecting today's white people to colonization other than their race and heritage. Also what happens to individual thought?... you know your race and heritage does not determine how you think about colonization. So this name-calling is rather rude and sounds condescending from the fictional country who according to them has always been more civilized and more progressive than just about anyone ever... except they elect their king based on stupid ritual hinging on how hard they can punch and practice isolationism and never helped anyone outside their own country... such progressivism such wow... :D Oh and they regularly infiltrate militarily just about any country to get what they want, which is usually something that has to do with vibranium... you know... the rules do not apply to them apparently... which is at least a bit hypocritical when they lecture the rest of the world about their bad potential.
Wakanda Forever *is* a funeral, both for Chadwick Boseman and for any hope of the MCU ever returning to any decent writing standard it may have had at its peak.
How Wakanda works in the comics: The 1st Black Panther has a vision where the panther God tales him he can drink the juice of the heart shaped flower and not die but gain super powers, he does and conquers as much land as he can with the aid of vivranium weapons until he runs into similarly powered shaman king. Only those of his blood line can drink it and not die. Fast forwards several centuries and T'chaka is the Black Panther, realizes that due to differences in tech soon the Black Panther alone wont be enough and breaks with tradition and sends T'chala to study in the US. T'chala excel in sciences and sees that his father is right and they need better technology to survive, T'chaka is then killed and T'chala avenges and replaces him. T'Chala sells a tiny portion of vivranium for a fortune to people he trusts in the US, tests the brightest youth of Wakanda that he then sends to study sciences all over the world. Decades later, those that succeeded return having become leaders of their field at which point they create a think tank and further what they learned with vivranium as a crutch to bypass tech limits. At which point noble houses who fear breaking with traditions are opposed to T'chala's rule but can't do anything because that would break tradition, T'chala also can't abolish the old ways without losing his power as King over these powerful houses. This is how we get the dichotomy of super advance science in Wakanda and also old tribal rules, the older generation pushes for traditionalism to keep their power while newer generations want to modernize. How Wakanda works in the MCU: 1st Black Panther got a vision and drank the juice, unified the tribes and with the help of vivranium the somehow invented magical science, the end. One of these stories makes sense, the other though...
What happened to the comic version where wakanda didn't have vibranium meteor but had a vibranium space ship that already had all the technology made on it. You know the version that makes the most sence when it comes to being secretive and high tech becuase they have space tech.
@@lynxcato3327 Yes and no, basically in it's raw form it's very similar to iron (except with some weird interactions with energy weapons) and it's only once tempered that it gains it's superior hardness. I say no because entry through the atmosphere makes the previous make little sense since the outer shell should be nearly indestructible...
@@stigmaoftherose That was from the Ultimate comics if I'm not mistaken, a Chitauri mothership crashed in Wakanda and the Black Panther powers are purely magical. It's a none canon explanation, the one I cited is the original one.
@@kngt_ldr9853 oh cool. I don't like marvel comics personally so I've never read them I just remeber that explanation being rhe one I was told thanks for the clarification.
Chadwick shouldnt be remembered for one role just because it was his most popular, he has done other roles and actions/quotes that are as much more inspiring than black panther. It makes me incredibly mad that the media AND the public only remembers him for it, the man was even visibly getting exhausted (in each photos) of doing the wakanda salutation pose with fans.
Honestly, the idea that some other source of vibranium is found (perhaps another meteorite) that puts Wakanda’s snooty superiority complex in it’s place and the ramification of this for the nation would’ve actually been a pretty slick plot idea.
I agree. Plus irl there is so much of the oceans that are unexplored. It would be plausible that in the MCU a second meteorite or a fragment broke off from the one that landed in Africa landed in the ocean. And at its depths, the Aztecs prospered from it and remained hidden for centuries because of how deep they were. And if anyone got remotely close would get sunk.
Isn't that literally what the plot in the movie is? That there is another nation that is as strong, if not stronger than Wakanda? It would be a pretty slick plot idea and it already is. Unless you're saying they should've went more in depth with it then I agree. Would've been cool to see more
Welp in the movie the reason for wakanda wanting to maintain the "monopoly" on vibranium is that any other nation would use it to build (and use) horrid weapons, so the point is basically to protect other people from the vibranium's deadly potential and not some superiority complex
Fanboys and shills were so butthurt by that because deep down they know he is right. I love the reaction when he or recently Tarantino gives them a reality check. They are not even Marvel fans, they are mcu fans, big difference.
@@seen921 Indeed he is correct. Capeshit films are far from cinema and in reality a plague onto the West and the ultimate proof that the "diversity is our strength" motto of the past decade has finally taken hold as these moving picture things with loud booms are only acceptable for either children or those who English is not a first language. Paint by number money printing devices which also allow the people in Hollywood that hate all things White, Western and Christian to further subvert things another notch down
I came away from BP2 wondering why the hell is M'Baku not Black Panther. Man has done far more heroic stuff than the main cast and has shown some pretty strong leadership qualities. On top of being charismatic too.
@@benstanfill363 or you know wasn’t next in line for the title of black Panther Because that’s how it worked it was the father then he died then t’challa and if he were to die and he did shuri would be the next black Panther
@@theoneandonlymasterjosh2912 we don't know that's how it always works though. We know 2. What if that family dies out? What if the next person in line is 5? Is there no black panther until they're old enough? None of this is established, otherwise I'd say yes.
I can confirm that Africans are regularly embarrassed by African Americans' depiction of Africans/Africa. I (Kenyan) watch this film with my Gambian girlfriend. We were disappointed. My Kenyan friends didn't care for it too. I have not read the comics but it seems they are trying to include every distinct African tribe just to showcase them, but with no true value. I would much rather they created a new Wakandan culture inspired by Africa rather than having Maasai dancing next Zulus just for the sake of it. It was cool for a brief moment in Black Panther because it's the first time we have seen it but you can't keep playing the same trick. As with Woman King (which my gf doesn't plan on finishing), they don't factor in any authenticity. As Africans, we can tell West Africans from South Africans from East Africans. From how they look to how they sound. When they cast people from different parts of Africa we are immediately removed from the believability of the narrative. Let me not even begin with the accents! They seem to always go with this generic 'Africa Accent' that is just lazy. I can't wait till Africans are telling African stories with the budget of these Hollywood films because moviemakers today are completely misrepresenting us while inserting their woke ideologies. It's almost as if you can't watch a film with a good story and escape into the narrative. It's tiring! One thing I have learnt in all this is I can not trust African Americans with African stories.
I encourage you to start, and you don't need the budget of these Hollywood blockbusters of today. Hollywood got famous making lots of moderate and low budget films for entertainment and they have forgotten that now.
I'm second generation myself and if you went into either Black Panther expecting it to be a true to life representation of African culture and/or an "African" movie you were setting yourself up for disappointment, Wakanda a fictional country as in NOT REAL therefore automatically not representative of reality. Were to be 1:1 realistic then it'd make even less sense because "Why does this fictional country's culture look exactly like its real neighbor, wow such lazy world building." If the exact same movie was set in Senegal for example it still wouldn't be a problem because no giant meteor made of a fictional metal landed there in real life which would've almost certainly changed the trajectory of the country's culture from what it is in reality today. Ryan Coogler researched different countries largely to take only stylistic influence and make an amalgamation nation that, because its fictional and non specific, can be a vessel for any African people to inserts themselves, maybe to one of the individual tribes (river, border, mountain etc.) (And I won't speak to the woman king as i haven't seen it but lets keep in mind not every country depicted in such movies have thriving movie industries with dozens of good actors at the ready to play genuinely accurate characters) The real problem with media and media critique right now is people constantly trying to attach reality to fiction, equating the two is never healthy and we as a generation raised on television and the internet really have a hard time differentiating the two.
If they really wanted to respect Chadwick Boseman by not recasting him, they should have just ended the Black panther saga. His story had already been told, from the moment he showed up in civil War, to his own movie, and finally with wakanda itself playing an intrical role in the final battle against thanos. This new movie felt more like an insult than a tribute to Chadwick.
I just found it strange how Shuri was like, “don’t kill this one Talocan lady, it’ll mean war!” Despite the fact the Talocan killed something like 30-60 CIA and Navy personnel, which in itself is arguably both worse and could be seen as a declaration of war.
"Because she's not a fish, and black people can't swim." That line made me laugh out loud. It's hilariously ironic to me that I happen to be a black person in my thirties who doesn't know how to swim.
@Rusty Douglas perhaps, but at least in regards to America, that doesn't seem to be sufficient in explaining why so many blacks who grow up in the same locations as whites with water available just can't swim. Simply put, if you know anything about black culture in America you know that they tend to not like going into the wilderness or doing nature stuff. They don't like camping, they don't like going to swim in the local lakes like the white kids do, they just tend to stay put in civilization. Even black made media pokes fun at black Americans not knowing how to swim, like in black dynamite how it said blacks go to the beach to only go waist deep in water, not actually swim in it and how Black Dynamite couldn't swim, despite going to the beach. Black Americans are aware about what they tend to and tend not to do, even they admit a disproportionate amount of them don't swim and don't particularly care to.
I remember having a swim day in high school and my buddy Kelvin wouldn't get in the pool so I jokingly told him he was reinforcing negative stereotypes, but dude didn't budge.
@travissamuels2339 If even socially-rooted act of comedy can be subjective completely (and not, in fact, at least intersubjective) then nothing matters. A house can subjectively be a person. Furniture can be crocodile. Also, taking into consideration the criteria of intent serves as a good denominator of defining comedic acts. Therefore, the video essay is about a poorly made film, all jabs are meant to reinforce the disappointment of wasted potential and bad film work. Not insult black people by allowing deeply rooted, repressed, vile racism to flourish in undertones of some film critique. In short, salient insults in this case are overinterpretation due to narrow context of the essay.
@Travis Samuels the stereotype is neither racist nor is it inherently negative. Stereotypes are only negative when they are untrue, unfairly viewed or are seen to apply universally when they don't. The stereotype in question doesn't inherently fit any of the above nor does the usage of it as a joke in this video. It might be racist for one to blanket assume any black person they see is unable to swim, but it isn't racist for them to recognize the very true trend that westernized black folk are much less likely to know how to swim than their white counterparts
My brother went into this film with the prediction that they would have a CG Black Panther fighting some threat alongside his warriors and he'd sacrifice himself in some way to save his people, becoming a posthumous hero-king who gave his life for Wakanda. I REALLY wish he'd been right.
So true. They have idiots working at Marvel and Disney. They could have kept Black Panther inside the suit for most of the movie. And hired a voice actor who sounds like the actor. And then have him die protecting Wakanda. Or have him fall into another dimension, and have another Black Panther replace him.
Yes, funerals that look like celebrations can be found in Africa. "The boy who harnassed the wind" (an excellent autobiographical film) shows something like this too .
We have something like that in India. But It's less dancing and singing and moreso a bunch of women cry around a casket while it's being moved to a pyre to be burned at, while loud music is playing in the background.
@@demontferrat so how does it work? do you morn first the celebrate or is it the family wich mourn befor celebrating after the day the person died? im very intrested right now
@@oscarandreas1431 most funerals here take a few days. In my particular culture, there are no celebrations on the day the person dies or until the person is buried. But on the 7th day, it’s basically like a party, with alcohol and people dancing. But other tribes and cultures(many in South Africa) even dance and sing in the cemetery around the coffin. But Africa is huge, so it’s not the same in every country or even within a country, each tribe have their own ways, but it’s pretty common to have funerals that look like celebrations, it’s even a meme around here.
if drumming is a Wakandan control interface, it would be so much more fun and confusing to see Shuri "do science" with a drum set rather than the magic ironman hologram swiping.
Wasn't it Ultron in the MCU, who heckled Cap's shield? Saying something along the lines of "Most durable metal on the planet and what they make with it? A Frisbee". Good old Ultron would have a field day if he went on holiday to Wakanda and saw all the vibranium spears
One part of meeting Riri that I hope someone talks about. They wanted to take her with them. She says "oh my god you're the princess am I being scouted?" The best thing at this point a person really wanting to get someone could do is go "Yes. You are now come with me." She would have been excited and gone right ahead. Instead they go "no."
“You’re not being scouted, you’re being recruited”, BOOM, saved that confrontation, but then marvel writers wouldn’t have had a confrontation to make quips off of, instead of breaking the formula and trying to make joke elsewhere.
It's funny how Riri was smart enough to invent a vibranium-detecting machine on a dare but evidently not smart enough to predict that Wakanda (and she knows about Wakanda enough to recognize Shuri from the first glance) won't be happy about it and will probably, CERTAINLY send someone after her. The girl should be under CIA protection, not strolling around campus.
Activism and causes are their priorities. I pose ethical questions to challenge cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias and some are totally thrown by it.
I guess that’s what happens when you relegate art below politics. You don’t have to make a good film, you just have to be seen to convey the right message. Art is good insofar as it accords with political purpose.
@@TheLittlePlatoon when the political agenda is set by the peer group the university and the majority of their media intake it reminds me of state sanctioned art of certain periods and erm… places shall we say? When one student complained I was forcing him to challenge his beliefs and it made him feel uncomfortable I did suggest that Is or perhaps should be what college is for? Silly me
It's so sad they gave T'Challa a straw death instead of a heroic end. He wears a cgi suit that covers his whole body, they could have easily used a stunt man in the BP suit and have him go down in battle. They could have had him die by Namor's hand which could have been used for the story.
I think they wanted to honor Chadwick by having Black Panter die similarly to how he did Maybe they thought it was disrespectful to just pretend hes still in the costume?
@@thefancasthub6862 recasting was preferable but I was referring to how they actually handled it. My point was, if they were determined to kill him, they could have at least given him a heroes death.
Where did Shuri go to school to become the smartest person in the world? Well, until we meet a younger girl, who was even more sheltered and is somehow just as capable even without the benefit of vibranium.
@@aluminiotastynt1577 You're right, but Tony Stark had his dad running Stark Industries and preparing him to pass on the torch, and wasn't portrayed as a super-genius until adulthood. Shuri being the princess of a futuristic nation makes her super-intelligence make *some* sense, but Peter and Riri are just random city kids. You are right that no one questions that though...
The most ridiculous part about namour as a villain, is that he goes from showing shuri a whole new world, to a sudden 180 'I'm going to leave the safety of the entire ocean to attack the world, because...colonizers? War? Humans are bad??? It came out of nowhere, the premise of the two supernations fighting/ building an alliance was interesting but this was so stupid.
Then after getting his butt kicked, he’s like “now she has no friends and she’ll turn to us when the world turns against her.” Like, what the hell? His plan and motives just change because. It’s not intriguing or masterful. Dude just forms half a plan and then changes his mind like a woman choosing dinner spots.
I actually would have RATHER seen them team up to take on the might of the U.S. Army... but it's an American film, and that would be just a tad too transgressive, so instead they did this
It’s worse because Chadwick didn’t want any of this. He wanted someone else to be caster as black panther, he wanted his character to live on and Disney went against his wishes and his families wishes
There were thousands of black male actors who would have loved to audition for, yet alone land, the role of BP. But, no, Marvel decided in favor of the M-She-U. Shame on them.
Rumors around blade make it seem like PG13 is the least of its worry. One version, which I have no doubt will be true, is that his daughter is focal point of the movie and he is just a side character there to be talked down to and compared with to make her seem the best ever!
I watched this movie with my Dad ( who's a writer but doesn't know anything about MCU despite loving hell out of Infinity War & endgame ) He said "This is weird movie about a celebration or tribute to the Real Actor's death rather than a story of fictional characters in a fictional world"
Riri Williams (aka Ironheart in the comics) was used just like America Chavez in Multiverse of Madness. I feel like there was an attempt to make a Young Avengers film with all the tv specials and movies throughout Phase 4 but because of how all the members of the team were shoehorned in as the Maguffins of the film they are in, it fell flat. Really, really hard.
Small correction: when Riri does the copycat moment, her suit doesn't give out. She got hooked by the avatar people. I don't blame you for not catching it because the night time scenes seemed like they were made intentionally hard to see anything.
7:39 Believe me, friend, most of us are quite embarrassed by them more than you realize. Here, no one celebrates Kwanzaa (as it has nothing to do with Africa) and most of us are not foolish enough to promote illiteracy in the name of "respecting our ancestors". This weird obsession with leftist black and white people in the west with viewing us Africans as "noble savages" is genuinely disgusting.
I'm glad you don't have the opportunity to be embarassed by any of this, it's great that you have an understanding of where you came from, what was important to your progenitors, and all of that. What you (anyone that finds Black Americans embarassing) don't seem to understand is that we're starting from nothing. Nobody kept records of what country our great-whatever grandparents came from, so all we have is a continent with at least 54 different cultures to go off of. So that's what Kwanzaa is, it's a celebration, only meant for Black people in the US btw, of the many cultures and traditions of your vast continent. It's an amalgam of everything, so yes it does have to do with Africa, but as a whole, and exclusively from an outside perspective. Also, the language thing is meant to respect our enslaved ancestors, who were forbidden to speak their own languages and then ridiculed for their attempts to speak a new one. A lot of Black Americans feel that they do not owe anybody the language of their oppressors, and much prefer the adapted language of the oppressed. It's not illiteracy, it's literacy in a different form of the language. Lastly, in the US we are habitually misinformed about the modern day lives of people from other places, it's not just Africans who are seen _by some_ as "noble savages" it is everyone, from the people of the Asian continent, to the people of Canada. They sell us on the idea that everyone else is living centuries behind us so that we never want to leave. It's an equal opportunity problem.
Yeah specifically the Kwanzaa thing, we don't celebrate it cuz it's African. It's not African, it's African American.(though I don't personally celebrate it)
@@kenzij friend, no offense, but wasn't Kwanzaa created by some black American racial supremacist with a history of physically abusing women, who said he invented the holiday because he felt Christmas was a "white people holiday"? Really doesn't seem like something that should be used to celebrate African heritage of any kind. Besides, aren't most of you Black Americans Americans? Therefore shouldn't you guys feel proud to embrace that identity? White people born here in Nigeria or any where in Africa usually embrace their national identities regardless of the fact that they are not black. Is that not more important?
@@orboakin8074 I can't, and won't, speak on people who invent holidays, it's just not that important to me. As for the being American thing, part of being American is celebrating your heritage. Since the states were colonized by a lot of countries at around the same time, declaring our heritage has been a thing from the start.
36:27 just as a note, it was established in Captain America: Then First Avenger, that Americans had found small amounts of Vibranium and used it to make Cap's shield
@@StarWarsomania was thought to be yeah, cos only a fragment had been found, but now its just everywhere people look, and every indiginous tribe had it, cept white people. They had to have a totally-smarter-than-Stark-girl-of-colour to help them find even a scrap of it in the modern era, while two other civilizations have had it from the beginning of time
They used Chadwicks death as promotion for the movie, sucked everyone in with the trailer and basically showed the beginning of the movie in the trailer without the casket going up and everyone doing the Wakanda salute. Emotionally manipulative.
Even the post credits scene is about a descendant of T'Challa, get it? He lives and even has his same name. The movie told you like 3 times that ''''he may died but he still here'', there was not necessary doing a post credit scene telling that again. Such manipulative move.
@jennie8355 so a tribute is something you use to make more money? To entice audiences to see your movies? A tribute to a dead person is a cash grab? Silly me, I thought a tribute would be a tribute regardless of how many people see it, that turning it into a paid event would be distasteful. Do you even know what morality is?
Recasting Black Panther is an interesting subject that no one really talked about concerning this movie, which is odd because the MCU isn't new to recasting roles. Rhodey, the Warrior's 3, and Bruce Banner are the biggest ones that come to mind. I think the magnitude of the tragedy would have convinced Marvel Studios/Disney that a simple recast would be perceived as callous and disrespectful to Chadwick Boseman. So I don't think it was possible to recast T'Challa with Wakandian Boogaloo, at least from Disney's point of view. However, something that _was_ possible for them, was simply not releasing this movie at all. Which I understand would be a waste of time, money and effort, but it's not like this hasn't happened before. Batgirl's movie was all set and ready to go, but they never released it and moved on to their next projects, so it's not the end of the world if you decide to just sit an already made and ready movie on the shelf and move on with other movies. I think this would've been the right move for the studio/company, because turning the movie into a clownish parade of tonal schizophrenia is incredibly embarrassing and disrespectful to Chadwick Boseman's memory and the MCU as a whole. What would have been the best and smartest move for everyone, is to simply wait out the mourning period the public and the staff needed for Chadwick Boseman, never release this movie in respect for the incredible loss, and recast T'Challa in a future movie, years from now. And then keep the Black Panther aspect of the MCU going forward with this new actor while remaining respectful and somber about Chadwick Boseman's untimely death. It gives the audience and the staff time to move forward and refocus on the MCU franchise, not on the tragedy and allows any future story with the Black Panther mythos to continue without Chadwick Boseman. Similar to Iron Man's mythos continuing without the original Rhodey actor, Hulk's mythos continuing without the original Bruce Banner actor, and Thor's mythos continuing without the original Warrior's 3 actors. Just sayin', it would have made more sense and it would have saved us from the travesty that was this film. Oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
#recastTchalla started before this movie started filming BP2 should have been delayed. marvel was desperate to make a movie so having it taken place during the 5 years Thanos snap away all life would’ve been a great way to say good bye to Chadwick as Tchalla but not kill Tchalla all together post Endgame. recast Tchalla in Kang Dynasty
@@tmac731 Ah, then I should have qualified. I had not seen nor heard anyone saying Chadwick should have been recast at any time. Your comment is the first I've seen on the subject. So unfortunately, many people like me were unaware of the hashtag and could not share our support of the idea. More unfortunate still, I doubt Disney would have listened/cared if everyone who would have supported the hashtag did support it in time. At this point, I'm not hoping for anything but a swift and merciful end to the MCU. Which again, isn't gonna happen, so I guess I'll just continue to suffer its existence XD
The oddest explanation for the technology is that they had access to vibranium. How does access to a material make people smarter? If a mountain of plastic was discovered by the Romans, would they have been able to create flying machines simply because that had access to plastic?
they were still in "contact" with the outside world, shown in the first movie their country isn't secret just the tech is, they would've gone out into the world (shown by the numerous times they do so) and learned science and technology from other peoples and brought that knowledge back to use with vibranium.
they didnt becuz they were smarter the material is just more maleable and usefull they had what 20k years with the material and they got their tech becuz they had nothing else to do
In the comics it actually has some reasoning that vibranium has some mutagenic qualities, which is where the heart shaped herb comes from and just overall the environment in wakanda has caused some advancement genetically and dietarily, the trade off is wakanda is only more advanced in the use of vibranium and some linked uses to it, but since they are isolationist they didn’t trade and learn everything every other culture did by sharing knowledge, they don’t have things like paper or the wheel even let alone gunpowder but they do have some very advanced tech while also still only having mostly tribal dwellings and customs with anything newer being rather recent since tchaka actually started opening to the outside world and sending select exemplary wakandans to first world nations universities to help wakanda catch up kinda like a wakanda meiji restoration is going on when tchalla becomes king
11:15 I love this entire point, because part of me was hoping this would be the direction with Chadwick passing. Tell a small story, with simple stakes local to Wakanda (perhaps the entire story is about the passing the of Black Panther mantle). Have the cast dealing with the fallout of his loss, reflecting on what he meant as a man and as a title. It could have been a win-win. You get to pay respect to Chadwick in a way that doesn't feel like a cash grab, get to spend some time developing the next BP in a way that would hook in general audiences, and you get to pause the Marvel sludge in a way that would make for a sensible breather from all the non-sensical action. It also could have given an opportunity to do some much needed world building, because I know I'm completely lost as to what is going on basically anywhere in the MCU now. They could have contextualized a lot of how Wakanda dealt with the blip through the lens of dealing with T'challa's death. Maybe the events of IW and the blip caused Wakanda to regress and become apathetic to the world, and BP focused all his efforts on that rather than his health, and his death was the catalyst to cause the internal feuds to cease... Idk, something. Especially given that T'challa's legacy likely would have been Wakanda becoming a relevant player on the world stage.
@@meloderieugif2294 Or Bruce Banner, or just about every other scientist in movies nowadays. Why wouldn't a physicist also be able to do brain surgery, or a geologist be able to create a clone? Just got to use that Movie Science!
People seems to forget Dumbledore's actor being re-cast, people forget Paul Walker being recast and his head being CG-ied onto his brothers. When these happened no one batted an eye. Now all of a sudden it's not "possible" to recast smh.
Well the difference is that black panther acted as a symbol that African Americans could feel proud of and stand behind . Dumbledore and Paul walker weren’t symbols for white people to feel proud of like black panther was if thag makes sense . They were great characters don’t get me wrong but they have different meanings to people
@@drusoescalante1186 so u never saw movie where the main character/ hero/ protagonist was a Person of color. Why only Black panther makes u feel that way?? And what do u mean Dumbledore and Paul Walker doesn't matter? They both were main parts of the story they weren't just some side characters. The moment u said 'white' u lost the fight. Don't make this about race, it doesn't neend to be that way.
They're even recasting Gen. Ross with Harrison Ford even though the actor died more recently than Chadwick. Very curious what their rationale for this is. Why can one be replaced when an actor dies but the other can't be.
@@bjrnhalfhand2258 yup, Remember when people used to make theories of what will happen in the future and who'll be best to play the role. Now they all stopped doing that after G.O.T and Endgame💀💀
He wears a suit that covers his entire body. Just show him fighting Namor, and then being IMPALED through his suit by Namor's weapon. That works on a lot of different levels.
@@haku8135 I assumed that is what they would do to build the comic based animosity between Wakanda and Atlantis, and yet instead we get "oh other vibranium and we gotta kill the one who made the magic detector" and then it immediately escalates to "destroy the whole surface world"
@@bZman Killing the creator doesn't even do anything. The FIRST THING they would do after getting this miracle machine, would be to figure out how it works. They would have THOUSANDS of records detailing every inch of this thing so they could make more.
@@haku8135 Exactly. They would have hired a Reed Richards or paid Riri a shitton of money just to buy the patent/blueprints and she would take the offer cuz we see her berating a guy for paying her for her help on homework
@@bZman Just the fact they stole a vibranium detector from a fucking kid and just IGNORED HER COMPLETELY while SEEKING to piss off Wakanda who they know are really protective of this fucking metal (cause it's their ONLY economic asset). Let's focus on the fact they apparently could NOT reverse engineer this detector. How do they expect to USE VIBRANIUM which the US government has not had ANY of for almost a century. The last time was when they made Cap's shield, and they said explicitly that shield was ALL the Vibranium on the planet (that THEY knew existed obviously) So they've got a machine, they know it works for some reason, I guess they had a paperweight of Vibranium laying around to test it on. Just like REEEEri apparently did. Now they CANNOT take that machine and figure out how it works, which is literally an engineer's fucking job. Yet they're expecting to find a cache of vibranium and.... do what? Can they even MINE the stuff? Apparently fucking not, they found the shit and it broke their drill, so they have no idea how to even mine it apparently! (That also raises the question, how the fuck did Wakandans mine it the FIRST time, when their greatest technological advance was stone spears? The comics figured that out. Their Panther God Bast! Who is the actual originator of the powers and title, and literally guided them into learning how to magically control certain cosmic energies, WHICH BROUGHT THE VIBRANIUM METEOR DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE. As for them being isolationist and not using their absurd technology to help the rest of Africa? Here's an entry from the wiki. "He (T'Chaka) would sell off minimal amounts of the valuable Vibranium while surreptitiously sending the country's best scholars to study abroad, consequently turning Wakanda into one of the world's most technologically advanced nations." WAKANDA IS NOT SOME INSANE FUTURE SOCIETY FROM CENTURIES AGO! They had better weapons thanks to vibranium, they didn't invent space travel when america was being FOUNDED or whatever. They didn't start really advancing until AFTER WORLD WAR TWO! Which by the way, Captain America actually teams up with and fights alongside T'Chaka and they become friendly with one another, which is pretty cool. So Marvel changed this and tried to make them this incredible advanced nation from the get go, RUINING them and turning them into absolute thundercunts.
Plot hole within the first 45 seconds of the movie. Why is Shuri trying to recreate the heart shaped herb to save T’challa when he should already have it within him? He took the last one Nakia stole from the temple before Killmonger burned it all. It revived him and he was a fully powered Black Panther for Infinity War and and Endgame. Now he’s sick for some reason? Where’d his powers go? did he remove them? did it get purged from his system when he was snapped away? did he fight Thanos’ army without the herb? So many questions yet no answers from Disney/Marvel.
Another thing that doesn’t make sense is that Okoye in this film got embarrassed when Riri said her head was ashy because she is bald even though in the first film she is shown to be proud of it as she hated the wig she had to wear in the casino
I didn’t like that scene in the dorms, it seemed a little character breaking. She goes from menacing and intimidating to “oh no she made fun of my head 😭” like? Homegirl she literally just threatened to knock your ass out. She has a spear that can kill you before you blink. *Not* the time to be cracking jokes.
Okoye covered the tattoos on her head with makeup to blend in, but it was the wrong shade. She was asking Shuri about it when they were standing beside the car.
@@brian.jrmontoya3227 people watching a review of a movie haven't seen the movie? What a revelation! It's almost like that's what reviews are there for.
Strange times when critiques of movies are far more entertaining than the movies themselves. This channel is a welcome addition to The Drinker, MauLer, Nerdrotic, Midnight’s Edge, Clownfish and the rest.
Not very entertaining when the critique lies about the movie to its audience to make people think the movie was as bad as it seemed. The only critique I like watching is Madvocate, or G.I GIO, sometimes Little Platoon because he was kinda funny and sounded like he knew what he was doing, but I wasn’t really watching. Its not very entertaining when they actively lie to get views, or make the smallest issues that could’ve been explained with the smallest level of thought seem like plot holes.
Idk about critical drinker anymore man. He bashes on this movie without giving any logical reasoning as to why he thinks it's so bad (unlike this video, which i agree with), but then ignores the plot hole riddled mess of Black Adam and calls it an ok movie. Don't get me wrong, not making this a marvel vs dc thing, and both movies have their flaws, but Marvel did the whole anti-hero thing better with Namor. Black Adam's characters meanwhile feal hollow and one dimensional.
The reason Namor's powers make little sense in the comics is because he has 2 power sets. He's half Atlantean half Mutant, the ankle wings are part of his mutant powers. In the MCU, where he's neither Atlantean nor a mutant, it's just dumb
Considering they didn't want to recast for this movie (which I completely understand), why didn't they just have the movie take place during the snap? They could've had the exact same movie, funeral and all, have Shuri take up the mantle, AND have an organic way of reintroducing T'Challa in the future. Hell, it makes Namor even more of a threat seeing as Wakanda's citizens were probably heavily affected by the snap too. Like you said before I find it super weird that he was dead for 5 years and none of that gets mentioned in the film at all.
50% people were snapped, including shuri & tchalla, i don’t think they metioned it in the movie since wakanda forever takes place in 2025 about a year or 2 after the snap, so i don’t see why it would be metioned
Shuri should never have taken the mantle up. She's not a fighter in any sense of the word - she's the smart one. Personally, I'd have done a Phantom Menace and made Shuri the de jure Queen of Wakanda, with somebody physically *much stronger* than Shuri as the de facto Black Panther.
Had 2 people get completely incredulous when I said I knew Black Panther 2 is bad without having seen it. Then I asked if they had seen Namor and they said “Who?” 🤦♂️
I hate arguments that state that you must give each individual installment of corporate product a chance especially when said corporate product is adhering to a formula that spans multiple installments. There is such a thing as drawing from previous experiences to make decisions.
If phase 4 was about addressing the aftermath of the "Blip" then they failed spectacularly I was actually wondering about this, at the end of Inf war Vanda was Snapped, Vision was killed, then Vanda came back 5y later to a dead vision. Vandavision came to be, then halfway thru Vision just became a tool, a reason for the existence of their imaginary children. Then in Multiverse madness, It was all about the fucking kids.. What is up with VISION ?! Just forgot and Gone. Did Tony really just killed the biggest baddy in the universe and hes just sort of, a graphiti on a random wall for a legacy. It's been YEARS since End Game, and all we have seen is shit shows that don't connect at all. Seriously the last movie that actually felt like it was after End game was Spider Man Far From home.
I disagree a bit with the criticism of the first black panther. At least in the fact that the end message of black panther was that tchalla realized his forefathers were wrong to close themselves of to the world and that in order to truly evolve as a people they needed to open themselves up to the world and play a larger role in supporting it and fixing things wher they could etc.
I turn my critical brain off the first time I watch a movie so I can have fun but even Ri Ri Williams wasn’t safe from me continuously saying “why tf is she in this movie?”. Literally everything she did Tony Stark had shot for shot already done. What a weird decision to have her in the film.
@@kieroncampion120 initially Tony discovered Vibranium in Iron Man 2 (the element replacing Palladium which would power his heart and Iron Man suit) that was canon until they later retconned it to be only Wakanda having Vibranium. So technically he did use a machine he created to discover it.
48:43 To be clear, the guardian of her daughter and head of their strike operation did effectively let the princess be taken away by an opposing nation. This is after their previous history as well. We're also presuming the Michonne had all the authority to requisition whatever she needed to protect the princess. Honestly, her calling this the last straw and kicking Michonne out of their special forces is one of the few things in this mess that made sense.
You actually made an interesting point regarding the blip. T’Cholla was already “dead” for the last 5 years. What was Wakanda doing in his absence before that? Probably his mother was ruling. Who was the Black Panther during that time? Did they have one? Seems like they’d want or need one. Why was this only resolved after T’Cholla came back and then died? Wouldn’t the nation have already mourned his loss and come up with a means of succession?
@@DaSpcWIz So, Shuri wasn’t working on replacing the herbs at any other point in the last 6 years? Still doesn’t solve the question of succession either or why Wakanda hadn’t seemingly changed at all in that time or was affected in any way?
@@LordOfAllusion pretty sure they burned it or put it in the ocean. Plus defeats the respecting the dead if they go and do thay. Plus it's been over 6 years he's probably a skeleton at this point.
I found really funny that before the movie started we got a commercial showing the new Avatar movie and its beautiful colorful underwater world. Then watching Black Panther is just.... dark. 😆
People say something like wakanda makes not sense, I need to remind everyone that this is from the comic, meaning the comics have always been shit and made no fucking sense. Marvel comics has always been shit
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Wakanda Forever has actually introduced the problems of interconnected storytelling for me. Scott Lang discovered, with some time displacement watches invented by Tony Stark, that the Quantum Realm can be used for time travel. Shuri is a super-genius and clearly a better scientist and engineer than those before her. She could have used the Quantum Realm to save T'Challa or kidnap him from another reality and bring him back to hers. Since she's so smart, there's no reason why she can't build her own Quantum Tunnel and Pym Particles. Also, she prays to Bast to save T'Challa. Waititi has established that gods don't give a damn about the people who worship them. While the Wakandans were crying and mourning their king, Bast was scoffing grapes and having orgies with Ninny of the Nonnie.
That’s facts. Ppl seem to overlook that. I got another one for you. T’Challa is personal friends/allies with geniuses, time travelers, gods and reality warpers. One of whom is an actual doctor. Why not contact said doctor (who also is one of the most powerful sorcerers ever) who can also instantaneously teleport himself to Wakanda (or anywhere else in the world), and have him come save the king. Or, cryo freeze T’Challa, until Shuri, or--canonically stated in his own movie--the brilliant doctor, can find the cure to T’Challa’s disease. Even though T’Challa has a healing factor. This movie made no sense..
W video. I hate how people think people are toxic just for disliking a movie that has minority actors in it. Not everything is about race. Sometimes they just dislike a movie.
How would the modern world not know where Wakanda is? You just subtract all of Africa that IS NOT Wakanda. I love that they are the most technically advanced and one of the wealthiest nations on Earth with zero trade and apparently no industry other than thatched roof skyscrapers and super suits.
@@vivaldi6139 How? How would they get rich and learn from the outside world if they never traded goods or knowledge with it? And I guess the magic bullcrap metal got into the water table and made them smarter than other Sub-Saharan Africans. Also, how did they mine the stuff in the first place? And smelt and forge it? Separate from the magical B.S. properties, it must require stupendous heat and force to purify and shape it given it's basic properties like being nearly indestructible with infinite edge retention. Really, how would they have the knowledge to smelt and forge even rudimentary metals without outside influence? By the late Middle Ages, Western Europe had arguably the most advanced weapons and armor on the planet. But the advancement of Western Europe metallurgy and smithing came as a result of far reaching trade and endless cycles of warfare. Wakanda would have had none of that. Perhaps I'm going too far asking for a comic book world to make sense. But I think most of what's gone into the MCU is at least internally consistent. But I've only seen a handful of the movies as they're pretty bad in general.
@@vivaldi6139 I know about the holographic properties, that's why I said you could still figure out where Wakanda was given today's incredibly accurate GPS technology. Just subtract all of Africa that is known from a map. Then investigate any areas you haven't cleared. 4chan neckbeards could have it narrowed down to one area within an hour if properly motivated.
The avengers were there, everyone in the world would know where wakanda is after wakanda originally dropped their shields the first time. There would be no "undoing the veil of secrecy"
"If you'd been colonized you'd not be sticking Vibranium in fucking spears" is the most devastatingly true statement of this entire brilliant review Basic in world logic is the downfall of the inept writer
They literally used the same stupid reasoning behind Riri that they used in the comic books, or at least what they tried to portray since in this version she didn't have to bully her teacher into saying that she couldn't.
Given the titanic levels of nonsense we have already seen, MCU cannot be saved. The only thing that could be done is some kind of massive reset, deleting most (if not all) of Phase 4 from existence, and shutting down the multiverse. Start again from Endgame, this time with some kind of plan.
phase 5 will need to be a full reboot at this pace just scrap it and start over. maybe start with deadpool 4 vs marvel and he just kills all of them and clicks the restart button at the end to start building it back up?
@@pyromaniak2736 With the whole secret wars storyline and all of this quantom and multiverse stuff, they have perfect opportunity for this. but something gives me a feeling Marvel is too prideful to go for a reboot, because that would mean acknowledging the fact that they made the universe too convoluted
@@TheFuzzicianyeah! A studio with a bajillion dollars with the X-Men, Dr. Doom, F4, Galactus in their back pocket are doomed from one shitty phase 🙄. Phase 4 was definitely trash lol. Let’s all try not to be shortsighted. The X-Men lore ALONE trumps everything the Avengers EVER were or could be.
I agree totally with your assessment of the original Black Panther. It was garish, often illogical, the fight scenes were meh at best, and the character of Black Panther had been used much better and more effective in Civil War. Had it not been the "cultural moment" it was, that film would not have received the critical accolades it has (the fact that it was nominated for Best Picture was laughable by filmmaking standards). Likewise, had Chadwick Boseman not passed away, this sequel would get much harsher criticism than it does by mainstream critics. And I say all of that just based on the actual filmmaking, I don't have the least thing against the representation of poc (or anyone else, really). It's just kind of sad to see the Black community hold Black Panther in such reverence when they deserved a much better film than it turned out to be.
@@glitchedshinobi9452 It has nothing to do with Black people, it's about filmmaking. Black people can be as happy as they want, that doesn't take away from the fact that BP is objectively speaking not a great movie.
@@TheAsphyx666 we can't speak objectively when talking about a movie a form of entertainment. It's all subjective. Just cause a "film critics" say a movie is bad doesn't make it bad. You and how every many others might view it as a bad movie but just as many people think it's a good one.
@@glitchedshinobi9452 Again, you can think what you want about this or any other film. However, there ARE objective aspects in talking about how well a film is made, about good and bad writing, logical coherence, the quality of camerawork, special effects or other technical aspects, or the quality of dialogue writing or acting performances. Granted, a badly made film can still have huge entertainment value, ironically or unironically, to at least a select audience, but that does not make it a good film. And I did not even call BP a bad film, not did I say that people who like it ar idiots, but what I am saying is that it has very obvious flaws and is not nearly as good a film as popular reception would have you believe. You are free to disagree with that, but I stand by it.
@@TheAsphyx666 the popular reception is that BP is a 10/10 movie. Which I can agree that it's not but it is still on higher tier of movies. It's a 8.5 to 9 /10 at best. But again agree to disagree
It's actually the third time T'Challa's died, or at least been perceived as dead, in universe. At this point, as a character in the film, I'd just assume that it's a temporary setback. Hell, the first time he "died", half the nation, including his best friend, were pretty okay with it. The second time, I have no idea how they coped because they never showed or addressed it, but he was "dead" for a whole five years. Who was in charge then? As badly characterized as Doctor Strange and Wong have been, they at least addressed that Wong became Sorcerer Supreme as a result of Strange being "dead" for five years, and he still holds that position. In-universe, T'Challa was Black Panther and King for a max of 1 year before and 1 year after the snap. And he apparently didn't make any real changes, as in WF things are politically exactly where they left off in BP. He has a max of two years ruling, with *someone* else ruling for five years in the middle of that. In-universe, he just kept the seat warm for a bit, then everything he ever said he wanted to change was reversed as soon as he was out of the way. And, as mentioned, I presume there was no trial by combat to replace him either time. There either was no trial, or no one challenged the ruling family, because screw democracy. In a world where we've almost entirely moved on from royalty, Wakanda follows it almost unquestioningly.
I am black and I don’t like how wakanda is portrayed by these movies…like seriously, I’m an African but I can’t help but feel insulted. To me it’s like this stuff was written by an upper middle class Californian white teenage girl who has never traveled outside the US but recently made a black a friend
whole Wakanda utopia wouldn't make sense either. historically, socially, economically, and military. Even an isolationists like North Korea needs aid from China. In fact, whole NK thing hasn't collapse is because China still give them food and money. "but japan was fine as isolationist". No, Japan was in decline during isolation because of constant war periods. In fact it's probably the US that helped them see that they are waaaaaay behind their neighbors.
@@terrydubuisson4209 which is bizarre because humans always fight each other. Just like how they learned how to use a space rock just because it reached them first.
@@necrosteel5013 I agree that wakanda being able to mine viberainem is an issue. I can believe that wakanda has not had constant civil wars (or at least wars that have had a major impact) because there goal is to protect viberainem from the rest of the world. Fearing that the rest of the world might use it for evil reasons or use it against wakanda. If they were to have wars then that would leave there viberainem susceptible to other nations. So that's why they don't constantly fight each other. Humans will fight each other if they have reason too. But wakanda doesn't have a reason to fight among themselves.
I think they should have recast the character and just had a touching tribute to Chadwick at the beginning, the character was still young to the MCU and had many stories to tell, if Tom Holland died would they kill Spider-Man?
@@XelNaga89 Maybe they could use it to introduce miles morales? conveniently, that's basically what happened in the spider verse movie. But knowing the current trajectory of Marvel, that would make too much sense.
I have 3 other logic questions: 1. Wakanda has stasis-technology, shown in the older movies, why couldn't they just use it to "save" t'challa? 2. Wakanda is supposed to be a central african state, with no connection to the oceans, surrounded by land (marvel lore and maps), how do the oceans people got there? Did they build tunnels? 3. Why does the bodyguard has to return to wakanda to tell that shuri was captured? Maybe its urgent and she should call? And why does a young girl in her garage, without money and resources in shorter times achieve what took Tony years and millions and.....ohhhhh.
48:02 I used to be a swim instructor. The black kids would sink much easier than anyone else. It’s almost like they’re more dense. It was a very odd thing to witness.
Here's the real funny thing: Realistically, the US Gov wouldve found out about Riri's character well before this movie simply because that level of genius would not go unnoticed (literally rivals Tony Stark, though if you go by the comic books, Stark might as well have been a cat with down syndrome compared to her intelligence cause 'empowerment'), and wouldve pretty much conscripted her to work for DARPA or other high security Government organizations. They wouldn't have let her just be an 'ordinary college student'. Not only this, but there wouldve been no way for Shiri or the Wakandans to get within 10 miles of Riri without the US Gov intervening with military presence because shes to big an asset to the US. Particularly after Wakanda Queen decided to tell the rest of the world that theyre to dangerous for Magical McGuffin Metal, thus making Wakanda an existential threat to every other super power on the planet. Oh, and the real kicker? If Wakanda lost their fight with Namor and his group, the rest of the world would (in theory) be genocided or enslaved because they dont have the Magical McGuffin Metal to fight them off. So Wakanda literally gambled the lives of billions out of hubris against an enemy that was technologically similar and could've won if it werent for plot contrivances. Some good guys they really turned out to be.
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T'Chala already had that purple goop flower shyte in his system already because he was already Black Panther, so what good would adding more purple goop flower shyte really do, what made Shuri so sure more would save him??
20:26 - 20:43 OMG This is like the Adam West family guy joke about his bulletproof shield "I should warn you, I've a tiny bulletproof shield the exact size of a bullet somewhere on my body. And if you hit it, I'll be unharmed and your plan will be foiled. You'll be the laughing stock of me"
As an African myself, born in Ghana and raised in both Ghana and the UK, Black Panther's depiction of African culture is kitsch to say the least. I'm glad that you mentioned it is a Black American's vision of what is African and it makes no sense. There is no such thing as "African culture" because Africa is the most ethnically diverse continent in the world. For example, in Ghana there are over 100 distinct indigenous languages in a population of 30 million people. I found the film to be incredibly ignorant and frankly Wakanda as a nation I didn't like at all because of their haughtiness, xenophobia and racism.
It’s spiritually empty, too. You’d come away thinking all it takes to capture “Africanness” is wearing certain clothes and dancing. No sense of religion, of meaning to the rituals, of tribal culture - it’s just fashion.
@@TheLittlePlatoon but they do show religion and the rituals are indeed Imp in the Black Panther Movie. T'Chala meeting their Panther God after taking the flower, the gods statue all around the nation, the whole ritual of choosing and becoming the king after being buried hin sand and then rising again symbolising Rebirth of a Prince as a King as Black Panther. Please explain what did you mean, I think I'm confused
Black panther is built on the Dahomey by the original creators. I do not see my culture as a Cushitic in Black Panther just saying.
@@Farhan917 to be fair their location makes it look like they would be in contact with the ethiopians and kushites but if they are based on dahomey that does not make sense like if a place in nothern norway is based on the swedes when the ethnic majority is norwegian and samic/sapmi/samisk mostly samisk but there are a larg majority of norwegian in the southern parts of northern norway around the coast
i really hope this aint gonna make a controversial comment section for me just talking about my opinion on a matter
The entire “infiltrate” the school thing is really funny because you can literally just walk on campus at pretty much any campus in America. You don’t have to be a super spy, you literally just walk up and walk onto campus, it’s super easy, barely inconvenient.
Ah! He said the thing! People saying the thing is tight!
Yep, My cousin was a drug dealer and he used to sell drugs on Campus of universities
He literally just walked in and hanged around, He did it for YEAR'S absolutely nobody cared lmao
Oh literally just walking onto a school campus is TIGHT!
The thing is i need you to get Allllllll the way of my back about That sir.
Wow, wow, wow.... Wow
Woah the whole ending of the first movie was about T'Challa being annoyed that his people have stayed hidden and not helped the world.
It seems like the writers have forgotten that. It looks like they just wanted to base it off of historical anger or something now? Its like were taking a step back. I dunno how to explain it, but the whole thing feels like its only about race? I feel it lately more too, that stuff like this only concentrates about that and separates the groups from each other instead of bringing them together, which the end of the first movie wanted to do
Well no, he wasnt annoyed. He was actually against wakanda revealing itself until the end, for some reason. His sister was annoyed.
In the comics, it was basically always an issue for T'challa.
When M'baku usurped Wakanda's throne by killing T'chaka, T'challa fled for America to recruit some of the more publicly-known superheroes to help take his throne back. In the original comics he petitioned the Fantastic Four, while in _Earth's Mightiest Heroes'_ functional remake of this story, he went to the Avengers. In fact, he had a great exchange with Cap, who suggested that it was wrong to usurp a leader that the people approved of and stood behind, only for T'challa to lament that his people were bound by a backwards, brutal tradition that did more to hold them back by allowing such a coup in the first place. It was a great showcase of the values of the two supersoldiers from wildly different cultures.
By seeking the help of foreigners to take his throne and country back, it opened T'challa's eyes to how vulnerable Wakanda's isolationism had left them in an increasingly hero-dominated world. In fact, once becoming Black Panther himself, T'challa actually undid a lot of Wakanda's more backwards policies, including the trial by combat. (Though in EMH, he did reinstate it for about a minute to screw with Hawkeye one time because T'challa wasn't above some occasional playful trolling during downtime. He had great chemistry with Hawkeye...) Black Panther actually had one of the longer tenures working with the Avengers, confident that his people could essentially handle things themselves in his absence after his revolutionary decrees.
But no, the Wakanda and the Black Panther of the MCU are little more than a flanderized parody, a shadow of the dignity they could have had...
His father was talking about that back in the _Avengers Civil War_ film.
"Wakanda cannot stand alone. Wakanda must be part of the wider world." etc
They just have to keep hitting that reset button like Skinner's pigeons though.
No the ending of the first one was that the white cop side character saving the world/wakanda , that's called a room of white ppl writing a bad black lead movie..... how convenient
Holy crap, I forgot that T'Challa was one of the Snapped. That's a pretty big plot hole, after a good year or so of his absence they definitely would have chosen another Panther.
didnt they run out of the herb though why shuri had to engineer her own
@@HeII0_th3r3she was growing endo
@@HeII0_th3r3 yeah. M'Baku, of the great ape tribe, also implies he never sought to take the mantle out of respect for T'Challa's family during that time
The fact that Shuri thought "oh shit, killing an attendant in Talokan is going to start a war" and not "shit, killing a bunch of CIA agents on American soil is going to start a war, especially after they already heavily suspected us of killing a shitload on a vibranium research platform."
She didn't silence anyone just escaped from the CIA agents only Talokan did the silencing
there is a difference though talokan is way stronger than the US
@@aezurefx Talokan is way stronger than the US. Right. So despite the fact that Prologue Research Lady actually shot and downed several with a handgun, Talokan's gonna stand up against anti-tank rifles, depth charges, and nuclear weaponry.
Before you say "but vibranium," Black Panther 1 establishes that sonics can fuck with the qualities of Vibranium. It's how T'Challa lands the fatal blow on Killmonger despite both having Vibranium suits.
Now, water is actually a really good environment for sound to travel. Goes a lot faster than in air due to the density. Means it's a lot more powerful, a lot louder than on the surface.
The Wakandans have whole railway systems designed to pump out this frequency on the DAILY for all the transport of vibranium. They aim that shit at Talokan, they are FUCKED.
@@anthonysaylor8120 wait I forgot sonics can do that. We have actually have sound technology that can kill people. That's like an instant lose for the vibrofriends.
@@anthonysaylor8120 Sonics? You misunderstood. Within the train system there were sonic stabilizers in place that sought to disable all vibranium during travel because the metal would heat up moving at those high speeds. Shuri is the developer of this technology alone and a sonic stabilizer is a different composition than a basic sonic wave considering how the sonic waves were focused rather than dispersed as normal sound, we don't have enough information on what "sonic stabilization" entails nor how it differentiates from Sonic waves in general.
We've seen Shuri use a smaller application of these sonic stabilizers in her gauntlets against Killmonger, he ended up breaking them within seconds.
There are no weapons that other nations weild that can properly combat vibranium within the MCU.
You nailed one of the key plotholes (or piss poor writing decisions): Namor wants the surface world to remain ignorant about his people, and yet decides that an invasion of Wakanda would somehow keep them off of the world's radar. This makes ZERO sense. ZERO.
Which why Aquaman villain Orm aka The Ocean Master
It makes sense because wakanda doesn't communicate with anyone else for the most part
@@Mintteacup_ yeah, but intelligence services from other nations are going to notice a full out WAR taking place, it's a little hard to hide.
@@Caffeine_Club As far as im aware this is all taking place within wakanda right? Who knows whats going there? I don't remember the other movies so maybe they have embassy's or spies maybe
Well, he did say now is a sign to strike. So they no longer want to remain hidden. Namor just wants to attack first.
If el Namor is so full of “indigenous rage“ why doesn’t he attack Spain? You’d think he’d be looking for some conquistadors to get some revenge on
I thought the same thing
Super!
His ethnic swap seems as exploitative as the use of "African culture" in this film. Atlantis is a Greek legend, complete with suspected locations, first written about by Plato. Where the hell did the Mayan angle come from? It was forced and extremely superficial.
@@RecluseBootsy Something about "wanting to change his ethnicity because he sounds too similar to DC's Aquaman"
And since they're already heavily exploiting Africa, they might as well exploit another culture that got screwed by "white people".
@@RecluseBootsy Sadly this will become “historical fact” for people who get their education from Hollywood.
As an Aztec, I’m very confused as to how we wound up in this film
Aren't you mad they didn't even care about doing proper research about you?
He’s Mayan
@@iw9472 he’s Mayan
And underwater at that.
@@denissmunoz9353 pretty sure its insinuated if not outright stated that its Aztec not Mayan.
Wakandan calling Bilbo "colonizer" is the most ironic thing in MCU.
Racism is ok when black people do it, weren't you told?
U meant "moronic"
Why? Not disagreeing just haven't seen the movie xd
You don't hold children, halfwits, or Wakandans to the standards expected of real people.
@@andehuimatadamas5643 Well... the thing is, calling any white person who is alive today colonizer can be considered racist because the white elites and their soldiers of the white majority countries did the "colonization"(more like occupation and enslavement and pillaging) hundreds of years ago... the great great great grandfather of the elites so not even them are responsible today let alone the average folk who was toiling away on land and later in factories while all of that took place. There is not much else connecting today's white people to colonization other than their race and heritage. Also what happens to individual thought?... you know your race and heritage does not determine how you think about colonization.
So this name-calling is rather rude and sounds condescending from the fictional country who according to them has always been more civilized and more progressive than just about anyone ever... except they elect their king based on stupid ritual hinging on how hard they can punch and practice isolationism and never helped anyone outside their own country... such progressivism such wow... :D
Oh and they regularly infiltrate militarily just about any country to get what they want, which is usually something that has to do with vibranium... you know... the rules do not apply to them apparently... which is at least a bit hypocritical when they lecture the rest of the world about their bad potential.
Wakanda Forever *is* a funeral, both for Chadwick Boseman and for any hope of the MCU ever returning to any decent writing standard it may have had at its peak.
This is no funeral.
It's desecration of a grave.
@@benjamingrant5970 exactly
yep since Disney became woke company
@@kyotheman69 Looking at their stuff the past couple of years, I can totally agree
The sob bait was real in this movie. I honestly think they should have just recasted T Challa
How Wakanda works in the comics:
The 1st Black Panther has a vision where the panther God tales him he can drink the juice of the heart shaped flower and not die but gain super powers, he does and conquers as much land as he can with the aid of vivranium weapons until he runs into similarly powered shaman king. Only those of his blood line can drink it and not die.
Fast forwards several centuries and T'chaka is the Black Panther, realizes that due to differences in tech soon the Black Panther alone wont be enough and breaks with tradition and sends T'chala to study in the US.
T'chala excel in sciences and sees that his father is right and they need better technology to survive, T'chaka is then killed and T'chala avenges and replaces him.
T'Chala sells a tiny portion of vivranium for a fortune to people he trusts in the US, tests the brightest youth of Wakanda that he then sends to study sciences all over the world.
Decades later, those that succeeded return having become leaders of their field at which point they create a think tank and further what they learned with vivranium as a crutch to bypass tech limits.
At which point noble houses who fear breaking with traditions are opposed to T'chala's rule but can't do anything because that would break tradition, T'chala also can't abolish the old ways without losing his power as King over these powerful houses.
This is how we get the dichotomy of super advance science in Wakanda and also old tribal rules, the older generation pushes for traditionalism to keep their power while newer generations want to modernize.
How Wakanda works in the MCU:
1st Black Panther got a vision and drank the juice, unified the tribes and with the help of vivranium the somehow invented magical science, the end.
One of these stories makes sense, the other though...
Do they explain how they can mine or manipulate vibranium with primitive tools?
What happened to the comic version where wakanda didn't have vibranium meteor but had a vibranium space ship that already had all the technology made on it. You know the version that makes the most sence when it comes to being secretive and high tech becuase they have space tech.
@@lynxcato3327 Yes and no, basically in it's raw form it's very similar to iron (except with some weird interactions with energy weapons) and it's only once tempered that it gains it's superior hardness. I say no because entry through the atmosphere makes the previous make little sense since the outer shell should be nearly indestructible...
@@stigmaoftherose That was from the Ultimate comics if I'm not mistaken, a Chitauri mothership crashed in Wakanda and the Black Panther powers are purely magical. It's a none canon explanation, the one I cited is the original one.
@@kngt_ldr9853 oh cool. I don't like marvel comics personally so I've never read them I just remeber that explanation being rhe one I was told thanks for the clarification.
Chadwick shouldnt be remembered for one role just because it was his most popular, he has done other roles and actions/quotes that are as much more inspiring than black panther. It makes me incredibly mad that the media AND the public only remembers him for it, the man was even visibly getting exhausted (in each photos) of doing the wakanda salutation pose with fans.
Honestly, the idea that some other source of vibranium is found (perhaps another meteorite) that puts Wakanda’s snooty superiority complex in it’s place and the ramification of this for the nation would’ve actually been a pretty slick plot idea.
I agree. Plus irl there is so much of the oceans that are unexplored. It would be plausible that in the MCU a second meteorite or a fragment broke off from the one that landed in Africa landed in the ocean. And at its depths, the Aztecs prospered from it and remained hidden for centuries because of how deep they were. And if anyone got remotely close would get sunk.
@@micpere1991 I know it's cliche, but Bermuda Triangle would've been perfect for that
@@GeraltofRivia22 which would’ve been PERFECT!
Isn't that literally what the plot in the movie is? That there is another nation that is as strong, if not stronger than Wakanda? It would be a pretty slick plot idea and it already is. Unless you're saying they should've went more in depth with it then I agree. Would've been cool to see more
Welp in the movie the reason for wakanda wanting to maintain the "monopoly" on vibranium is that any other nation would use it to build (and use) horrid weapons, so the point is basically to protect other people from the vibranium's deadly potential and not some superiority complex
For all the fuss people made about Scorsese's feelings on comic book movies, Marvel is working so hard to make him seem correct.
Fanboys and shills were so butthurt by that because deep down they know he is right.
I love the reaction when he or recently Tarantino gives them a reality check.
They are not even Marvel fans, they are mcu fans, big difference.
Not seem to be correct . Correct
@@CabezasDePescado many of the real marvel fans gave up on these movies. majority of these shills don't even have one comic book in their house.
It might not be true when he said it, but it seems more and more correct the longer MCU persists beyond endgame
@@seen921 Indeed he is correct. Capeshit films are far from cinema and in reality a plague onto the West and the ultimate proof that the "diversity is our strength" motto of the past decade has finally taken hold as these moving picture things with loud booms are only acceptable for either children or those who English is not a first language.
Paint by number money printing devices which also allow the people in Hollywood that hate all things White, Western and Christian to further subvert things another notch down
As Obi-Wan Kenobi once said with a smile, “Chancellor, one-off contrivance machines are our speciality”
I love it.
@@sithsaiyan4529 Wakanda Forever is a better movie than No Way Home
Wrong video dude.
Why would you say something so nonresponsive? You’re wrong but still, this isn’t the right place to bring your wrong opinions.
Still No way home was so ass
@@clivemancity6499 Glad you get it. Nerds are in the denial stage
I came away from BP2 wondering why the hell is M'Baku not Black Panther. Man has done far more heroic stuff than the main cast and has shown some pretty strong leadership qualities. On top of being charismatic too.
Much more likeable character than Shuri as well
He’s actually the King of Wakanda now apparently
Because he isn't / doesn't identify as a woman.
@@benstanfill363 or you know wasn’t next in line for the title of black Panther
Because that’s how it worked it was the father then he died then t’challa and if he were to die and he did shuri would be the next black Panther
@@theoneandonlymasterjosh2912 we don't know that's how it always works though. We know 2. What if that family dies out? What if the next person in line is 5? Is there no black panther until they're old enough? None of this is established, otherwise I'd say yes.
I can confirm that Africans are regularly embarrassed by African Americans' depiction of Africans/Africa. I (Kenyan) watch this film with my Gambian girlfriend. We were disappointed. My Kenyan friends didn't care for it too.
I have not read the comics but it seems they are trying to include every distinct African tribe just to showcase them, but with no true value. I would much rather they created a new Wakandan culture inspired by Africa rather than having Maasai dancing next Zulus just for the sake of it. It was cool for a brief moment in Black Panther because it's the first time we have seen it but you can't keep playing the same trick.
As with Woman King (which my gf doesn't plan on finishing), they don't factor in any authenticity. As Africans, we can tell West Africans from South Africans from East Africans. From how they look to how they sound. When they cast people from different parts of Africa we are immediately removed from the believability of the narrative. Let me not even begin with the accents! They seem to always go with this generic 'Africa Accent' that is just lazy.
I can't wait till Africans are telling African stories with the budget of these Hollywood films because moviemakers today are completely misrepresenting us while inserting their woke ideologies. It's almost as if you can't watch a film with a good story and escape into the narrative. It's tiring! One thing I have learnt in all this is I can not trust African Americans with African stories.
I encourage you to start, and you don't need the budget of these Hollywood blockbusters of today. Hollywood got famous making lots of moderate and low budget films for entertainment and they have forgotten that now.
Well said!!!! This movie screams stereotype.
I'm second generation myself and if you went into either Black Panther expecting it to be a true to life representation of African culture and/or an "African" movie you were setting yourself up for disappointment, Wakanda a fictional country as in NOT REAL therefore automatically not representative of reality. Were to be 1:1 realistic then it'd make even less sense because "Why does this fictional country's culture look exactly like its real neighbor, wow such lazy world building."
If the exact same movie was set in Senegal for example it still wouldn't be a problem because no giant meteor made of a fictional metal landed there in real life which would've almost certainly changed the trajectory of the country's culture from what it is in reality today.
Ryan Coogler researched different countries largely to take only stylistic influence and make an amalgamation nation that, because its fictional and non specific, can be a vessel for any African people to inserts themselves, maybe to one of the individual tribes (river, border, mountain etc.) (And I won't speak to the woman king as i haven't seen it but lets keep in mind not every country depicted in such movies have thriving movie industries with dozens of good actors at the ready to play genuinely accurate characters)
The real problem with media and media critique right now is people constantly trying to attach reality to fiction, equating the two is never healthy and we as a generation raised on television and the internet really have a hard time differentiating the two.
All of us don't think this way! I am African American please don't put us all in the same bracket.
I hope to see your stories and mythology on the big screen some day! Africa is an extremely interesting continent ☺️
If they really wanted to respect Chadwick Boseman by not recasting him, they should have just ended the Black panther saga. His story had already been told, from the moment he showed up in civil War, to his own movie, and finally with wakanda itself playing an intrical role in the final battle against thanos. This new movie felt more like an insult than a tribute to Chadwick.
Money...
I just found it strange how Shuri was like, “don’t kill this one Talocan lady, it’ll mean war!”
Despite the fact the Talocan killed something like 30-60 CIA and Navy personnel, which in itself is arguably both worse and could be seen as a declaration of war.
Yh well namor is kind off a dick in the comics so I wasn’t surprised when he was killing people without consequences
"Because she's not a fish, and black people can't swim." That line made me laugh out loud. It's hilariously ironic to me that I happen to be a black person in my thirties who doesn't know how to swim.
@Rusty Douglas perhaps, but at least in regards to America, that doesn't seem to be sufficient in explaining why so many blacks who grow up in the same locations as whites with water available just can't swim. Simply put, if you know anything about black culture in America you know that they tend to not like going into the wilderness or doing nature stuff. They don't like camping, they don't like going to swim in the local lakes like the white kids do, they just tend to stay put in civilization. Even black made media pokes fun at black Americans not knowing how to swim, like in black dynamite how it said blacks go to the beach to only go waist deep in water, not actually swim in it and how Black Dynamite couldn't swim, despite going to the beach. Black Americans are aware about what they tend to and tend not to do, even they admit a disproportionate amount of them don't swim and don't particularly care to.
I remember having a swim day in high school and my buddy Kelvin wouldn't get in the pool so I jokingly told him he was reinforcing negative stereotypes, but dude didn't budge.
@travissamuels2339 If even socially-rooted act of comedy can be subjective completely (and not, in fact, at least intersubjective) then nothing matters. A house can subjectively be a person. Furniture can be crocodile. Also, taking into consideration the criteria of intent serves as a good denominator of defining comedic acts. Therefore, the video essay is about a poorly made film, all jabs are meant to reinforce the disappointment of wasted potential and bad film work. Not insult black people by allowing deeply rooted, repressed, vile racism to flourish in undertones of some film critique. In short, salient insults in this case are overinterpretation due to narrow context of the essay.
@Rusty Douglas your comment is what's goofy. Nobody thinks the stereotype means black folk are literally incapable of learning to swim
@Travis Samuels the stereotype is neither racist nor is it inherently negative. Stereotypes are only negative when they are untrue, unfairly viewed or are seen to apply universally when they don't. The stereotype in question doesn't inherently fit any of the above nor does the usage of it as a joke in this video. It might be racist for one to blanket assume any black person they see is unable to swim, but it isn't racist for them to recognize the very true trend that westernized black folk are much less likely to know how to swim than their white counterparts
My brother went into this film with the prediction that they would have a CG Black Panther fighting some threat alongside his warriors and he'd sacrifice himself in some way to save his people, becoming a posthumous hero-king who gave his life for Wakanda.
I REALLY wish he'd been right.
One nice thing about the suit means they wouldn’t even have to CG for most of it, just let his stunt man do the fighting in the suit.
@@TGuard00014 That was another thing he suggested too. "In fact, they wouldn't even have to CG all of it. It's not like his stunt man died too."
@Mister Karmik They could have used his stuntman and did a deepfake.
So true. They have idiots working at Marvel and Disney. They could have kept Black Panther inside the suit for most of the movie. And hired a voice actor who sounds like the actor. And then have him die protecting Wakanda. Or have him fall into another dimension, and have another Black Panther replace him.
@@nerychristian I’m SO glad you aren’t in the film industry
Yes, funerals that look like celebrations can be found in Africa. "The boy who harnassed the wind" (an excellent autobiographical film) shows something like this too .
We have something like that in India.
But It's less dancing and singing and moreso a bunch of women cry around a casket while it's being moved to a pyre to be burned at, while loud music is playing in the background.
I am an African and can confirm.
@@silverprimus321boi9 in my area Women stay at home while the deceased's sons or brothers or both carry him to the pyre while loud drums play along
@@demontferrat so how does it work? do you morn first the celebrate or is it the family wich mourn befor celebrating after the day the person died? im very intrested right now
@@oscarandreas1431 most funerals here take a few days.
In my particular culture, there are no celebrations on the day the person dies or until the person is buried. But on the 7th day, it’s basically like a party, with alcohol and people dancing.
But other tribes and cultures(many in South Africa) even dance and sing in the cemetery around the coffin.
But Africa is huge, so it’s not the same in every country or even within a country, each tribe have their own ways, but it’s pretty common to have funerals that look like celebrations, it’s even a meme around here.
"The suit is a relic"
You... you DESIGNED it!
I hate that they use Colonizer when they never experienced it cause they were hidden
if drumming is a Wakandan control interface, it would be so much more fun and confusing to see Shuri "do science" with a drum set rather than the magic ironman hologram swiping.
No, everyone in Wakanda except the royal family lives in primitive squalor in their thatch roof huts beside skyscrapers.
Wakanda is a terrible nation.
Don't forget booty dancing. I'm sure that's a critical component of Wakandan science as well! Lol...
You saw that Tim Pool episode, didn't you?
@@thedudewashere1987 No. But I'm sure it was on point. Lol.
@@haku8135 Not really, we only see a glimpse of what the area looks like
Wasn't it Ultron in the MCU, who heckled Cap's shield? Saying something along the lines of "Most durable metal on the planet and what they make with it? A Frisbee".
Good old Ultron would have a field day if he went on holiday to Wakanda and saw all the vibranium spears
An hour long rant dissing with Iron Man's intellect, I would like to see that.
One part of meeting Riri that I hope someone talks about. They wanted to take her with them. She says "oh my god you're the princess am I being scouted?" The best thing at this point a person really wanting to get someone could do is go "Yes. You are now come with me." She would have been excited and gone right ahead. Instead they go "no."
“You’re not being scouted, you’re being recruited”, BOOM, saved that confrontation, but then marvel writers wouldn’t have had a confrontation to make quips off of, instead of breaking the formula and trying to make joke elsewhere.
bec why on earth would someone go with people they dont know bffr
It's funny how Riri was smart enough to invent a vibranium-detecting machine on a dare but evidently not smart enough to predict that Wakanda (and she knows about Wakanda enough to recognize Shuri from the first glance) won't be happy about it and will probably, CERTAINLY send someone after her. The girl should be under CIA protection, not strolling around campus.
Not one of my students has seen this film but all of them have praised it.
That sounds horrible, it’s sad to see todays youth so easily pleased by mediocrity or garbage simply because of branding.
Activism and causes are their priorities. I pose ethical questions to challenge cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias and some are totally thrown by it.
@@sarcatstix such wise words with intelligent actions
I guess that’s what happens when you relegate art below politics. You don’t have to make a good film, you just have to be seen to convey the right message. Art is good insofar as it accords with political purpose.
@@TheLittlePlatoon when the political agenda is set by the peer group the university and the majority of their media intake it reminds me of state sanctioned art of certain periods and erm… places shall we say? When one student complained I was forcing him to challenge his beliefs and it made him feel uncomfortable I did suggest that Is or perhaps should be what college is for? Silly me
It's so sad they gave T'Challa a straw death instead of a heroic end. He wears a cgi suit that covers his whole body, they could have easily used a stunt man in the BP suit and have him go down in battle.
They could have had him die by Namor's hand which could have been used for the story.
THIS
I think they wanted to honor Chadwick by having Black Panter die similarly to how he did
Maybe they thought it was disrespectful to just pretend hes still in the costume?
Or, yknow, do the better thing to honor him, and recast T'Challa. Seriously, killing him off just ripped a lot of young black boys of a role model.
@@thefancasthub6862 recasting was preferable but I was referring to how they actually handled it. My point was, if they were determined to kill him, they could have at least given him a heroes death.
@@bjrnhalfhand2258 recasting wouldve been just wrong since this novie is a tribute for chadwick
Bilbo flipping the double bird was my favorite part of Wakanda Forever! Thanks for a legit/hilarious review.
Where did Shuri go to school to become the smartest person in the world? Well, until we meet a younger girl, who was even more sheltered and is somehow just as capable even without the benefit of vibranium.
Think Moon Girl in the comics.
funny how no one thinks the same of petter parker or iron man , oh right
@@aluminiotastynt1577 You're right, but Tony Stark had his dad running Stark Industries and preparing him to pass on the torch, and wasn't portrayed as a super-genius until adulthood. Shuri being the princess of a futuristic nation makes her super-intelligence make *some* sense, but Peter and Riri are just random city kids. You are right that no one questions that though...
The most ridiculous part about namour as a villain, is that he goes from showing shuri a whole new world, to a sudden 180 'I'm going to leave the safety of the entire ocean to attack the world, because...colonizers? War? Humans are bad??? It came out of nowhere, the premise of the two supernations fighting/ building an alliance was interesting but this was so stupid.
Even namor costume design is stupid
@@MegaDynamiteDanit’s not (to me)
Then after getting his butt kicked, he’s like “now she has no friends and she’ll turn to us when the world turns against her.” Like, what the hell? His plan and motives just change because. It’s not intriguing or masterful. Dude just forms half a plan and then changes his mind like a woman choosing dinner spots.
I actually would have RATHER seen them team up to take on the might of the U.S. Army... but it's an American film, and that would be just a tad too transgressive, so instead they did this
It’s worse because Chadwick didn’t want any of this. He wanted someone else to be caster as black panther, he wanted his character to live on and Disney went against his wishes and his families wishes
His family wanted to kill the Black Panther tho. Only Chadwick wanted the character to live, and was right to think so.
But they would have missed out on the extra diversity of making a woman the lead
But then how could they have used his death as free marketing? We’re not dealing with honest, morally upstanding people here.
There were thousands of black male actors who would have loved to audition for, yet alone land, the role of BP. But, no, Marvel decided in favor of the M-She-U. Shame on them.
@@rebornpheonix1016 so his family and Disney went against his wishes, that doesn't make it better
No recast for T'Challa, She-Hulk's version of Daredevil and PG13 Blade. The downward soar has already started and is going to be steeper, yet.
Wait until Deadpool comes out.
Rumors around blade make it seem like PG13 is the least of its worry. One version, which I have no doubt will be true, is that his daughter is focal point of the movie and he is just a side character there to be talked down to and compared with to make her seem the best ever!
@@XelNaga89 Is this anti-woke propoganda or has a real basis?
I watched this movie with my Dad ( who's a writer but doesn't know anything about MCU despite loving hell out of Infinity War & endgame )
He said "This is weird movie about a celebration or tribute to the Real Actor's death rather than a story of fictional characters in a fictional world"
You got surprised by basic observational skill? Is your family IQ single digit? Does your father use crayons to write?
Riri Williams (aka Ironheart in the comics) was used just like America Chavez in Multiverse of Madness.
I feel like there was an attempt to make a Young Avengers film with all the tv specials and movies throughout Phase 4 but because of how all the members of the team were shoehorned in as the Maguffins of the film they are in, it fell flat. Really, really hard.
Those characters couldn’t carry their own comics, much less a film franchise.
As an African I'd like to say that this has to be one of the most overrated movies in history and most of my friends agree.
I agree to
@@AmandaOfili to dunk on it
Small correction: when Riri does the copycat moment, her suit doesn't give out. She got hooked by the avatar people. I don't blame you for not catching it because the night time scenes seemed like they were made intentionally hard to see anything.
It was pretty clear to me that she was hooked. I mean, in the next scene she’s pulled toward the river, and we see the line get pulled into the water…
Maybe he just saw the cam version, i did too, i promisef myself to not give disney any of my money anymore since i got scammed with endgame.
@@CabezasDePescado and even if he did watch it at the cinema, he'd still need the cam version for reference after the fact.
He also ignored Ree-Ree drone striking a bunch of cops.
7:39 Believe me, friend, most of us are quite embarrassed by them more than you realize. Here, no one celebrates Kwanzaa (as it has nothing to do with Africa) and most of us are not foolish enough to promote illiteracy in the name of "respecting our ancestors". This weird obsession with leftist black and white people in the west with viewing us Africans as "noble savages" is genuinely disgusting.
Guys, I promise that barely any of us think that, it's a loud minority
I'm glad you don't have the opportunity to be embarassed by any of this, it's great that you have an understanding of where you came from, what was important to your progenitors, and all of that. What you (anyone that finds Black Americans embarassing) don't seem to understand is that we're starting from nothing. Nobody kept records of what country our great-whatever grandparents came from, so all we have is a continent with at least 54 different cultures to go off of. So that's what Kwanzaa is, it's a celebration, only meant for Black people in the US btw, of the many cultures and traditions of your vast continent. It's an amalgam of everything, so yes it does have to do with Africa, but as a whole, and exclusively from an outside perspective. Also, the language thing is meant to respect our enslaved ancestors, who were forbidden to speak their own languages and then ridiculed for their attempts to speak a new one. A lot of Black Americans feel that they do not owe anybody the language of their oppressors, and much prefer the adapted language of the oppressed. It's not illiteracy, it's literacy in a different form of the language. Lastly, in the US we are habitually misinformed about the modern day lives of people from other places, it's not just Africans who are seen _by some_ as "noble savages" it is everyone, from the people of the Asian continent, to the people of Canada. They sell us on the idea that everyone else is living centuries behind us so that we never want to leave. It's an equal opportunity problem.
Yeah specifically the Kwanzaa thing, we don't celebrate it cuz it's African. It's not African, it's African American.(though I don't personally celebrate it)
@@kenzij friend, no offense, but wasn't Kwanzaa created by some black American racial supremacist with a history of physically abusing women, who said he invented the holiday because he felt Christmas was a "white people holiday"? Really doesn't seem like something that should be used to celebrate African heritage of any kind. Besides, aren't most of you Black Americans Americans? Therefore shouldn't you guys feel proud to embrace that identity? White people born here in Nigeria or any where in Africa usually embrace their national identities regardless of the fact that they are not black. Is that not more important?
@@orboakin8074 I can't, and won't, speak on people who invent holidays, it's just not that important to me. As for the being American thing, part of being American is celebrating your heritage. Since the states were colonized by a lot of countries at around the same time, declaring our heritage has been a thing from the start.
36:27 just as a note, it was established in Captain America: Then First Avenger, that Americans had found small amounts of Vibranium and used it to make Cap's shield
That was supposedly the only vibranium in the entire WORLD. Enough to make a frisbee.
@@StarWarsomania was thought to be yeah, cos only a fragment had been found, but now its just everywhere people look, and every indiginous tribe had it, cept white people. They had to have a totally-smarter-than-Stark-girl-of-colour to help them find even a scrap of it in the modern era, while two other civilizations have had it from the beginning of time
"When everyone is racist, no one will be." - Syndrome
I guess thats what they're going for?
The Little Platoon always spits the most eloquent slaps
They used Chadwicks death as promotion for the movie, sucked everyone in with the trailer and basically showed the beginning of the movie in the trailer without the casket going up and everyone doing the Wakanda salute. Emotionally manipulative.
Even the post credits scene is about a descendant of T'Challa, get it? He lives and even has his same name. The movie told you like 3 times that ''''he may died but he still here'', there was not necessary doing a post credit scene telling that again. Such manipulative move.
Babe this is a tribute towards chadwick, maybe that’s why it’s the only scenes they use in trailers because it’s a tribute toward him
@jennie8355 so a tribute is something you use to make more money? To entice audiences to see your movies? A tribute to a dead person is a cash grab? Silly me, I thought a tribute would be a tribute regardless of how many people see it, that turning it into a paid event would be distasteful. Do you even know what morality is?
Recasting Black Panther is an interesting subject that no one really talked about concerning this movie, which is odd because the MCU isn't new to recasting roles. Rhodey, the Warrior's 3, and Bruce Banner are the biggest ones that come to mind. I think the magnitude of the tragedy would have convinced Marvel Studios/Disney that a simple recast would be perceived as callous and disrespectful to Chadwick Boseman. So I don't think it was possible to recast T'Challa with Wakandian Boogaloo, at least from Disney's point of view.
However, something that _was_ possible for them, was simply not releasing this movie at all. Which I understand would be a waste of time, money and effort, but it's not like this hasn't happened before. Batgirl's movie was all set and ready to go, but they never released it and moved on to their next projects, so it's not the end of the world if you decide to just sit an already made and ready movie on the shelf and move on with other movies. I think this would've been the right move for the studio/company, because turning the movie into a clownish parade of tonal schizophrenia is incredibly embarrassing and disrespectful to Chadwick Boseman's memory and the MCU as a whole.
What would have been the best and smartest move for everyone, is to simply wait out the mourning period the public and the staff needed for Chadwick Boseman, never release this movie in respect for the incredible loss, and recast T'Challa in a future movie, years from now. And then keep the Black Panther aspect of the MCU going forward with this new actor while remaining respectful and somber about Chadwick Boseman's untimely death. It gives the audience and the staff time to move forward and refocus on the MCU franchise, not on the tragedy and allows any future story with the Black Panther mythos to continue without Chadwick Boseman. Similar to Iron Man's mythos continuing without the original Rhodey actor, Hulk's mythos continuing without the original Bruce Banner actor, and Thor's mythos continuing without the original Warrior's 3 actors. Just sayin', it would have made more sense and it would have saved us from the travesty that was this film. Oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
#recastTchalla started before this movie started filming BP2 should have been delayed. marvel was desperate to make a movie so having it taken place during the 5 years Thanos snap away all life would’ve been a great way to say good bye to Chadwick as Tchalla but not kill Tchalla all together post Endgame. recast Tchalla in Kang Dynasty
@@tmac731 Ah, then I should have qualified. I had not seen nor heard anyone saying Chadwick should have been recast at any time. Your comment is the first I've seen on the subject. So unfortunately, many people like me were unaware of the hashtag and could not share our support of the idea. More unfortunate still, I doubt Disney would have listened/cared if everyone who would have supported the hashtag did support it in time. At this point, I'm not hoping for anything but a swift and merciful end to the MCU. Which again, isn't gonna happen, so I guess I'll just continue to suffer its existence XD
"A funeral or a circus?"
Why not both?
That's what the Christians said back in the day.
@@anaclararodas4833 And those days are coming back. 😅🦁
@@RanMouri82 In some places they never left 🥲
A fucus?
A ficus.
Imagine telling a whole race they can't see a movie for the 1st weekend it's in theaters. Who are these people!?!
The oddest explanation for the technology is that they had access to vibranium. How does access to a material make people smarter? If a mountain of plastic was discovered by the Romans, would they have been able to create flying machines simply because that had access to plastic?
Shhh, vibranium best, wakanda advanced, don't think too hard about it.
they were still in "contact" with the outside world, shown in the first movie their country isn't secret just the tech is, they would've gone out into the world (shown by the numerous times they do so) and learned science and technology from other peoples and brought that knowledge back to use with vibranium.
they didnt becuz they were smarter the material is just more maleable and usefull they had what 20k years with the material and they got their tech becuz they had nothing else to do
In the comics it actually has some reasoning that vibranium has some mutagenic qualities, which is where the heart shaped herb comes from and just overall the environment in wakanda has caused some advancement genetically and dietarily, the trade off is wakanda is only more advanced in the use of vibranium and some linked uses to it, but since they are isolationist they didn’t trade and learn everything every other culture did by sharing knowledge, they don’t have things like paper or the wheel even let alone gunpowder but they do have some very advanced tech while also still only having mostly tribal dwellings and customs with anything newer being rather recent since tchaka actually started opening to the outside world and sending select exemplary wakandans to first world nations universities to help wakanda catch up kinda like a wakanda meiji restoration is going on when tchalla becomes king
My issue with how vibration is handled is that it’s just a soft magic McMuffin that does whatever it needs to do to look cool or move the plot along.
11:15 I love this entire point, because part of me was hoping this would be the direction with Chadwick passing. Tell a small story, with simple stakes local to Wakanda (perhaps the entire story is about the passing the of Black Panther mantle). Have the cast dealing with the fallout of his loss, reflecting on what he meant as a man and as a title. It could have been a win-win.
You get to pay respect to Chadwick in a way that doesn't feel like a cash grab, get to spend some time developing the next BP in a way that would hook in general audiences, and you get to pause the Marvel sludge in a way that would make for a sensible breather from all the non-sensical action.
It also could have given an opportunity to do some much needed world building, because I know I'm completely lost as to what is going on basically anywhere in the MCU now. They could have contextualized a lot of how Wakanda dealt with the blip through the lens of dealing with T'challa's death. Maybe the events of IW and the blip caused Wakanda to regress and become apathetic to the world, and BP focused all his efforts on that rather than his health, and his death was the catalyst to cause the internal feuds to cease... Idk, something. Especially given that T'challa's legacy likely would have been Wakanda becoming a relevant player on the world stage.
I'm confused. Is shuri a doctor or a scientist? What is her speciality? She seems to just know everything science related
Thats how poorly educated woke people believe science women behave.
Smart...Science...Doctor...Did I say smart?
Just like Iron Man
@@meloderieugif2294 Tony Stark is an Engineer, he has no medical expertise.
@@meloderieugif2294 Or Bruce Banner, or just about every other scientist in movies nowadays. Why wouldn't a physicist also be able to do brain surgery, or a geologist be able to create a clone? Just got to use that Movie Science!
She is a strong, independent female victim
People seems to forget Dumbledore's actor being re-cast, people forget Paul Walker being recast and his head being CG-ied onto his brothers. When these happened no one batted an eye. Now all of a sudden it's not "possible" to recast smh.
Well the difference is that black panther acted as a symbol that African Americans could feel proud of and stand behind . Dumbledore and Paul walker weren’t symbols for white people to feel proud of like black panther was if thag makes sense . They were great characters don’t get me wrong but they have different meanings to people
@@drusoescalante1186 so u never saw movie where the main character/ hero/ protagonist was a Person of color. Why only Black panther makes u feel that way?? And what do u mean Dumbledore and Paul Walker doesn't matter? They both were main parts of the story they weren't just some side characters. The moment u said 'white' u lost the fight. Don't make this about race, it doesn't neend to be that way.
They're even recasting Gen. Ross with Harrison Ford even though the actor died more recently than Chadwick. Very curious what their rationale for this is. Why can one be replaced when an actor dies but the other can't be.
@@bjrnhalfhand2258 Exactly
@@bjrnhalfhand2258 yup, Remember when people used to make theories of what will happen in the future and who'll be best to play the role. Now they all stopped doing that after G.O.T and Endgame💀💀
The LEAST Marvel could've done was give T'Challa a heroic death. Not death by *[Unspecified Virus of Unknown Origin].*
He wears a suit that covers his entire body. Just show him fighting Namor, and then being IMPALED through his suit by Namor's weapon.
That works on a lot of different levels.
@@haku8135 I assumed that is what they would do to build the comic based animosity between Wakanda and Atlantis, and yet instead we get "oh other vibranium and we gotta kill the one who made the magic detector" and then it immediately escalates to "destroy the whole surface world"
@@bZman Killing the creator doesn't even do anything.
The FIRST THING they would do after getting this miracle machine, would be to figure out how it works. They would have THOUSANDS of records detailing every inch of this thing so they could make more.
@@haku8135 Exactly. They would have hired a Reed Richards or paid Riri a shitton of money just to buy the patent/blueprints and she would take the offer cuz we see her berating a guy for paying her for her help on homework
@@bZman Just the fact they stole a vibranium detector from a fucking kid and just IGNORED HER COMPLETELY while SEEKING to piss off Wakanda who they know are really protective of this fucking metal (cause it's their ONLY economic asset).
Let's focus on the fact they apparently could NOT reverse engineer this detector. How do they expect to USE VIBRANIUM which the US government has not had ANY of for almost a century. The last time was when they made Cap's shield, and they said explicitly that shield was ALL the Vibranium on the planet (that THEY knew existed obviously)
So they've got a machine, they know it works for some reason, I guess they had a paperweight of Vibranium laying around to test it on. Just like REEEEri apparently did. Now they CANNOT take that machine and figure out how it works, which is literally an engineer's fucking job. Yet they're expecting to find a cache of vibranium and.... do what? Can they even MINE the stuff? Apparently fucking not, they found the shit and it broke their drill, so they have no idea how to even mine it apparently! (That also raises the question, how the fuck did Wakandans mine it the FIRST time, when their greatest technological advance was stone spears?
The comics figured that out. Their Panther God Bast! Who is the actual originator of the powers and title, and literally guided them into learning how to magically control certain cosmic energies, WHICH BROUGHT THE VIBRANIUM METEOR DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE. As for them being isolationist and not using their absurd technology to help the rest of Africa? Here's an entry from the wiki.
"He (T'Chaka) would sell off minimal amounts of the valuable Vibranium while surreptitiously sending the country's best scholars to study abroad, consequently turning Wakanda into one of the world's most technologically advanced nations."
WAKANDA IS NOT SOME INSANE FUTURE SOCIETY FROM CENTURIES AGO! They had better weapons thanks to vibranium, they didn't invent space travel when america was being FOUNDED or whatever. They didn't start really advancing until AFTER WORLD WAR TWO! Which by the way, Captain America actually teams up with and fights alongside T'Chaka and they become friendly with one another, which is pretty cool.
So Marvel changed this and tried to make them this incredible advanced nation from the get go, RUINING them and turning them into absolute thundercunts.
Plot hole within the first 45 seconds of the movie. Why is Shuri trying to recreate the heart shaped herb to save T’challa when he should already have it within him? He took the last one Nakia stole from the temple before Killmonger burned it all. It revived him and he was a fully powered Black Panther for Infinity War and and Endgame. Now he’s sick for some reason? Where’d his powers go? did he remove them? did it get purged from his system when he was snapped away? did he fight Thanos’ army without the herb? So many questions yet no answers from Disney/Marvel.
"No civilians got killed" I laughed out loud at that one
Shad put more thought into his episode about sticks than the writers did in both movies.
I still think about that rant every time I see nunchuks, and it always makes me smile.
your best script yet.
that warcrim Barry punchline was golden
"magazine" "rounds"
Refreshing to hear a movie review that doesn't call them "clips" and "bullets"
Another thing that doesn’t make sense is that Okoye in this film got embarrassed when Riri said her head was ashy because she is bald even though in the first film she is shown to be proud of it as she hated the wig she had to wear in the casino
I didn’t like that scene in the dorms, it seemed a little character breaking. She goes from menacing and intimidating to “oh no she made fun of my head 😭” like? Homegirl she literally just threatened to knock your ass out. She has a spear that can kill you before you blink. *Not* the time to be cracking jokes.
Okoye covered the tattoos on her head with makeup to blend in, but it was the wrong shade. She was asking Shuri about it when they were standing beside the car.
@@BlueMoon-io9eh it makes me wonder if people even watched the fucking movie…oh wait most of these people didn’t
@@brian.jrmontoya3227 people watching a review of a movie haven't seen the movie? What a revelation! It's almost like that's what reviews are there for.
@@GeraltofRivia22 no shit Sherlock, I’m not arguing the purpose of a review, more so calling out people talking out of their ass.
Wankanda Forever didn't feel like a phase ending movie
That's because it isn't.
Actually it does right
@@joshentertainment2 how so?
Certainly not of a phase that claimed to delve into multiversal plot lines.
@@RanMouri82 they only "delved" into that for only two movies
Strange times when critiques of movies are far more entertaining than the movies themselves. This channel is a welcome addition to The Drinker, MauLer, Nerdrotic, Midnight’s Edge, Clownfish and the rest.
Seriously! These channels provide far more entertainment than most recent movies and TV shows.
Exactly. I love watching movie reviews nowadays. I just realize that this generation's mainstream movie writers are dumb as F (not all of course).
Not very entertaining when the critique lies about the movie to its audience to make people think the movie was as bad as it seemed. The only critique I like watching is Madvocate, or G.I GIO, sometimes Little Platoon because he was kinda funny and sounded like he knew what he was doing, but I wasn’t really watching. Its not very entertaining when they actively lie to get views, or make the smallest issues that could’ve been explained with the smallest level of thought seem like plot holes.
@@zqninja3334 Tell us what he lied about.
Idk about critical drinker anymore man. He bashes on this movie without giving any logical reasoning as to why he thinks it's so bad (unlike this video, which i agree with), but then ignores the plot hole riddled mess of Black Adam and calls it an ok movie. Don't get me wrong, not making this a marvel vs dc thing, and both movies have their flaws, but Marvel did the whole anti-hero thing better with Namor. Black Adam's characters meanwhile feal hollow and one dimensional.
Shuri not wanting the Black Panther suit makes even less sense when you realize she fucking made it. Twice.
"It was the worst of times, it was the stupidest of times." -Darles Chickens
RESPECT CHADWICK his black panther legacy didnt deserve to go down like this. rip
Crazy statement
Exactly
@@glitchedshinobi9452 it called truth, bud
It’s a good job Will Smith wasn’t around for that bald joke! 👋🏼
The reason Namor's powers make little sense in the comics is because he has 2 power sets. He's half Atlantean half Mutant, the ankle wings are part of his mutant powers.
In the MCU, where he's neither Atlantean nor a mutant, it's just dumb
Considering they didn't want to recast for this movie (which I completely understand), why didn't they just have the movie take place during the snap? They could've had the exact same movie, funeral and all, have Shuri take up the mantle, AND have an organic way of reintroducing T'Challa in the future. Hell, it makes Namor even more of a threat seeing as Wakanda's citizens were probably heavily affected by the snap too.
Like you said before I find it super weird that he was dead for 5 years and none of that gets mentioned in the film at all.
unfortunately, they decided to kill off shuri in the captain marvel end credits scene
50% people were snapped, including shuri & tchalla, i don’t think they metioned it in the movie since wakanda forever takes place in 2025 about a year or 2 after the snap, so i don’t see why it would be metioned
Shuri should never have taken the mantle up. She's not a fighter in any sense of the word - she's the smart one. Personally, I'd have done a Phantom Menace and made Shuri the de jure Queen of Wakanda, with somebody physically *much stronger* than Shuri as the de facto Black Panther.
Had 2 people get completely incredulous when I said I knew Black Panther 2 is bad without having seen it. Then I asked if they had seen Namor and they said “Who?” 🤦♂️
what you said and what they said is both stupid. Namor is a awesome looking character thou!
I hate arguments that state that you must give each individual installment of corporate product a chance especially when said corporate product is adhering to a formula that spans multiple installments. There is such a thing as drawing from previous experiences to make decisions.
You mean lay-mor
@@dwaynesilva9203 Namor looks stupid
No no no not Namor
Namoore!
If phase 4 was about addressing the aftermath of the "Blip" then they failed spectacularly
I was actually wondering about this, at the end of Inf war Vanda was Snapped, Vision was killed, then Vanda came back 5y later to a dead vision. Vandavision came to be, then halfway thru Vision just became a tool, a reason for the existence of their imaginary children. Then in Multiverse madness, It was all about the fucking kids..
What is up with VISION ?! Just forgot and Gone. Did Tony really just killed the biggest baddy in the universe and hes just sort of, a graphiti on a random wall for a legacy. It's been YEARS since End Game, and all we have seen is shit shows that don't connect at all.
Seriously the last movie that actually felt like it was after End game was Spider Man Far From home.
That mako tsunami reference cought me off guard platoon is apparently a man of culture haha
Indeed. "I am NOT a freaky fish guy!"
@@RanMouri82 hes THE freaky fish guy!
I disagree a bit with the criticism of the first black panther. At least in the fact that the end message of black panther was that tchalla realized his forefathers were wrong to close themselves of to the world and that in order to truly evolve as a people they needed to open themselves up to the world and play a larger role in supporting it and fixing things wher they could etc.
So they go and offer help in America not Africa...yeah right
I turn my critical brain off the first time I watch a movie so I can have fun but even Ri Ri Williams wasn’t safe from me continuously saying “why tf is she in this movie?”. Literally everything she did Tony Stark had shot for shot already done. What a weird decision to have her in the film.
Did Tony create a machine that could detect vibranium?
@@kieroncampion120 initially Tony discovered Vibranium in Iron Man 2 (the element replacing Palladium which would power his heart and Iron Man suit) that was canon until they later retconned it to be only Wakanda having Vibranium. So technically he did use a machine he created to discover it.
good god i bet if riri was a male u wouldnt say that😑
@@sulafmaher8037
Okay colonizer
@@sulafmaher8037 good god i bet if riri was a male u WOULD say what he said😑
48:43 To be clear, the guardian of her daughter and head of their strike operation did effectively let the princess be taken away by an opposing nation. This is after their previous history as well. We're also presuming the Michonne had all the authority to requisition whatever she needed to protect the princess. Honestly, her calling this the last straw and kicking Michonne out of their special forces is one of the few things in this mess that made sense.
You actually made an interesting point regarding the blip. T’Cholla was already “dead” for the last 5 years. What was Wakanda doing in his absence before that? Probably his mother was ruling. Who was the Black Panther during that time? Did they have one? Seems like they’d want or need one. Why was this only resolved after T’Cholla came back and then died? Wouldn’t the nation have already mourned his loss and come up with a means of succession?
Did you watch the movie? All the herbs were gone
@@DaSpcWIz So, Shuri wasn’t working on replacing the herbs at any other point in the last 6 years? Still doesn’t solve the question of succession either or why Wakanda hadn’t seemingly changed at all in that time or was affected in any way?
@@LordOfAllusion she needed DNA to even attempt to recreate the herb and of he is gone for the last 5 years of snap, how they Finna recreate it?
@@DaSpcWIz They got Killmonger’s body somewhere.
@@LordOfAllusion pretty sure they burned it or put it in the ocean. Plus defeats the respecting the dead if they go and do thay. Plus it's been over 6 years he's probably a skeleton at this point.
The end of phase bore was...what we expected.
I found really funny that before the movie started we got a commercial showing the new Avatar movie and its beautiful colorful underwater world. Then watching Black Panther is just.... dark. 😆
In the now immortal words of Nick Fury, "Black girl magic!"
Hey brother, I just love these in-depth reviews . I know it’s a pain, but keep them coming as long as you can. & thank you.
I have no plans of stopping any time soon!
People say something like wakanda makes not sense, I need to remind everyone that this is from the comic, meaning the comics have always been shit and made no fucking sense. Marvel comics has always been shit
@@TheLittlePlatoon Clearly this movie upsets insecure nerds. It's an African fiction. Get over yourselves.
@@suezcontours6653 “African fiction?” Lmfao.
@@TheLittlePlatoon why is that funny? Africa doesn't deserve its own nationalist property like Top Gun?
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That’s very kind, thank you!
Wakanda Forever has actually introduced the problems of interconnected storytelling for me.
Scott Lang discovered, with some time displacement watches invented by Tony Stark, that the Quantum Realm can be used for time travel.
Shuri is a super-genius and clearly a better scientist and engineer than those before her. She could have used the Quantum Realm to save T'Challa or kidnap him from another reality and bring him back to hers. Since she's so smart, there's no reason why she can't build her own Quantum Tunnel and Pym Particles.
Also, she prays to Bast to save T'Challa. Waititi has established that gods don't give a damn about the people who worship them.
While the Wakandans were crying and mourning their king, Bast was scoffing grapes and having orgies with Ninny of the Nonnie.
That’s facts. Ppl seem to overlook that. I got another one for you. T’Challa is personal friends/allies with geniuses, time travelers, gods and reality warpers. One of whom is an actual doctor. Why not contact said doctor (who also is one of the most powerful sorcerers ever) who can also instantaneously teleport himself to Wakanda (or anywhere else in the world), and have him come save the king. Or, cryo freeze T’Challa, until Shuri, or--canonically stated in his own movie--the brilliant doctor, can find the cure to T’Challa’s disease. Even though T’Challa has a healing factor. This movie made no sense..
Lol gottem. Marvel have thoroughly fucked themselves.
Or Disney could've pulled his (Bosman's) 3D scan and done a Carrie Fisher...
Shhhhhhh
You're putting logic into a phase that doesn't care about itself on it's continuity nor it's consequences
Although Moon Knight shows that the Egyptian ones at least seem to care what's happening on Earth, of whom Bast is one.
You loved going off on that tangent in the beginning. What a drag.
W video. I hate how people think people are toxic just for disliking a movie that has minority actors in it. Not everything is about race. Sometimes they just dislike a movie.
It's projection. Those people see everything through a lens of race, so they think everybody else does also.
How would the modern world not know where Wakanda is? You just subtract all of Africa that IS NOT Wakanda.
I love that they are the most technically advanced and one of the wealthiest nations on Earth with zero trade and apparently no industry other than thatched roof skyscrapers and super suits.
We've already established that the US advanced rapidly with global free trade. Not a nation on earth is 100% self sufficient in resources.
Both films show that the city is hidden with holographic technology + the vibranium, gold, and other materials is what made them advanced 🤷
@@vivaldi6139 How? How would they get rich and learn from the outside world if they never traded goods or knowledge with it?
And I guess the magic bullcrap metal got into the water table and made them smarter than other Sub-Saharan Africans.
Also, how did they mine the stuff in the first place? And smelt and forge it? Separate from the magical B.S. properties, it must require stupendous heat and force to purify and shape it given it's basic properties like being nearly indestructible with infinite edge retention. Really, how would they have the knowledge to smelt and forge even rudimentary metals without outside influence?
By the late Middle Ages, Western Europe had arguably the most advanced weapons and armor on the planet. But the advancement of Western Europe metallurgy and smithing came as a result of far reaching trade and endless cycles of warfare. Wakanda would have had none of that.
Perhaps I'm going too far asking for a comic book world to make sense. But I think most of what's gone into the MCU is at least internally consistent. But I've only seen a handful of the movies as they're pretty bad in general.
@@vivaldi6139 I know about the holographic properties, that's why I said you could still figure out where Wakanda was given today's incredibly accurate GPS technology. Just subtract all of Africa that is known from a map. Then investigate any areas you haven't cleared. 4chan neckbeards could have it narrowed down to one area within an hour if properly motivated.
The avengers were there, everyone in the world would know where wakanda is after wakanda originally dropped their shields the first time. There would be no "undoing the veil of secrecy"
"If you'd been colonized you'd not be sticking Vibranium in fucking spears" is the most devastatingly true statement of this entire brilliant review
Basic in world logic is the downfall of the inept writer
They literally used the same stupid reasoning behind Riri that they used in the comic books, or at least what they tried to portray since in this version she didn't have to bully her teacher into saying that she couldn't.
MCU Phase 5 would need to be the biggest course correction in the history film & TV
Given the titanic levels of nonsense we have already seen, MCU cannot be saved. The only thing that could be done is some kind of massive reset, deleting most (if not all) of Phase 4 from existence, and shutting down the multiverse. Start again from Endgame, this time with some kind of plan.
phase 5 will need to be a full reboot at this pace just scrap it and start over. maybe start with deadpool 4 vs marvel and he just kills all of them and clicks the restart button at the end to start building it back up?
@@pyromaniak2736 With the whole secret wars storyline and all of this quantom and multiverse stuff, they have perfect opportunity for this. but something gives me a feeling Marvel is too prideful to go for a reboot, because that would mean acknowledging the fact that they made the universe too convoluted
@@pyromaniak2736 Or just kill capeshit altogether, let another genre rise to prominence.
@@TheFuzzicianyeah! A studio with a bajillion dollars with the X-Men, Dr. Doom, F4, Galactus in their back pocket are doomed from one shitty phase 🙄. Phase 4 was definitely trash lol. Let’s all try not to be shortsighted. The X-Men lore ALONE trumps everything the Avengers EVER were or could be.
I agree totally with your assessment of the original Black Panther. It was garish, often illogical, the fight scenes were meh at best, and the character of Black Panther had been used much better and more effective in Civil War. Had it not been the "cultural moment" it was, that film would not have received the critical accolades it has (the fact that it was nominated for Best Picture was laughable by filmmaking standards). Likewise, had Chadwick Boseman not passed away, this sequel would get much harsher criticism than it does by mainstream critics. And I say all of that just based on the actual filmmaking, I don't have the least thing against the representation of poc (or anyone else, really). It's just kind of sad to see the Black community hold Black Panther in such reverence when they deserved a much better film than it turned out to be.
Bro thinks black people shouldn't be happy about black panther. But it and it's sequal are fantastic. Nothing more to be said
@@glitchedshinobi9452 It has nothing to do with Black people, it's about filmmaking. Black people can be as happy as they want, that doesn't take away from the fact that BP is objectively speaking not a great movie.
@@TheAsphyx666 we can't speak objectively when talking about a movie a form of entertainment. It's all subjective. Just cause a "film critics" say a movie is bad doesn't make it bad. You and how every many others might view it as a bad movie but just as many people think it's a good one.
@@glitchedshinobi9452 Again, you can think what you want about this or any other film. However, there ARE objective aspects in talking about how well a film is made, about good and bad writing, logical coherence, the quality of camerawork, special effects or other technical aspects, or the quality of dialogue writing or acting performances. Granted, a badly made film can still have huge entertainment value, ironically or unironically, to at least a select audience, but that does not make it a good film. And I did not even call BP a bad film, not did I say that people who like it ar idiots, but what I am saying is that it has very obvious flaws and is not nearly as good a film as popular reception would have you believe. You are free to disagree with that, but I stand by it.
@@TheAsphyx666 the popular reception is that BP is a 10/10 movie. Which I can agree that it's not but it is still on higher tier of movies. It's a 8.5 to 9 /10 at best. But again agree to disagree
It's actually the third time T'Challa's died, or at least been perceived as dead, in universe. At this point, as a character in the film, I'd just assume that it's a temporary setback. Hell, the first time he "died", half the nation, including his best friend, were pretty okay with it. The second time, I have no idea how they coped because they never showed or addressed it, but he was "dead" for a whole five years. Who was in charge then? As badly characterized as Doctor Strange and Wong have been, they at least addressed that Wong became Sorcerer Supreme as a result of Strange being "dead" for five years, and he still holds that position. In-universe, T'Challa was Black Panther and King for a max of 1 year before and 1 year after the snap. And he apparently didn't make any real changes, as in WF things are politically exactly where they left off in BP. He has a max of two years ruling, with *someone* else ruling for five years in the middle of that. In-universe, he just kept the seat warm for a bit, then everything he ever said he wanted to change was reversed as soon as he was out of the way. And, as mentioned, I presume there was no trial by combat to replace him either time. There either was no trial, or no one challenged the ruling family, because screw democracy. In a world where we've almost entirely moved on from royalty, Wakanda follows it almost unquestioningly.
+1 for that Sowell addition. Well done, sir. 🥃
I owe that guy a lot.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Don't we all. 👍
@@RanMouri82 indeed
"Drone strikes: the voice of the unheard."
That's going on the fridge.
I am black and I don’t like how wakanda is portrayed by these movies…like seriously, I’m an African but I can’t help but feel insulted. To me it’s like this stuff was written by an upper middle class Californian white teenage girl who has never traveled outside the US but recently made a black a friend
And it probably was!
whole Wakanda utopia wouldn't make sense either. historically, socially, economically, and military. Even an isolationists like North Korea needs aid from China. In fact, whole NK thing hasn't collapse is because China still give them food and money.
"but japan was fine as isolationist". No, Japan was in decline during isolation because of constant war periods. In fact it's probably the US that helped them see that they are waaaaaay behind their neighbors.
@@KoeSeer wakanda haven't had those constant war periods though.
@@terrydubuisson4209 which is bizarre because humans always fight each other. Just like how they learned how to use a space rock just because it reached them first.
@@necrosteel5013 I agree that wakanda being able to mine viberainem is an issue. I can believe that wakanda has not had constant civil wars (or at least wars that have had a major impact) because there goal is to protect viberainem from the rest of the world. Fearing that the rest of the world might use it for evil reasons or use it against wakanda. If they were to have wars then that would leave there viberainem susceptible to other nations. So that's why they don't constantly fight each other. Humans will fight each other if they have reason too. But wakanda doesn't have a reason to fight among themselves.
I love how these show flashbacks to the great MCU films in first 3 phases! Dang, I miss those days.
Why were none of the other avengers at t-challa funeral?
The budget for the actors went into the cocaine.
I think they should have recast the character and just had a touching tribute to Chadwick at the beginning, the character was still young to the MCU and had many stories to tell, if Tom Holland died would they kill Spider-Man?
No, they would milk his death and make MJ spider(wo?)man somehow! Of course, she would be much better at it.
@@XelNaga89 Maybe they could use it to introduce miles morales? conveniently, that's basically what happened in the spider verse movie. But knowing the current trajectory of Marvel, that would make too much sense.
That’s too much to hope for.
@@XelNaga89 calm down it aint that deep
I have 3 other logic questions: 1. Wakanda has stasis-technology, shown in the older movies, why couldn't they just use it to "save" t'challa? 2. Wakanda is supposed to be a central african state, with no connection to the oceans, surrounded by land (marvel lore and maps), how do the oceans people got there? Did they build tunnels? 3. Why does the bodyguard has to return to wakanda to tell that shuri was captured? Maybe its urgent and she should call?
And why does a young girl in her garage, without money and resources in shorter times achieve what took Tony years and millions and.....ohhhhh.
48:02 I used to be a swim instructor. The black kids would sink much easier than anyone else. It’s almost like they’re more dense. It was a very odd thing to witness.
DEAR LORD my Sunday just became EPIC!!
Chipotle Foreveryone
There’s a good chance this video will get me in at least as much trouble as that damn Chipotle joke…
@@TheLittlePlatoon Don't tease me with a good time!!
Here's the real funny thing:
Realistically, the US Gov wouldve found out about Riri's character well before this movie simply because that level of genius would not go unnoticed (literally rivals Tony Stark, though if you go by the comic books, Stark might as well have been a cat with down syndrome compared to her intelligence cause 'empowerment'), and wouldve pretty much conscripted her to work for DARPA or other high security Government organizations. They wouldn't have let her just be an 'ordinary college student'.
Not only this, but there wouldve been no way for Shiri or the Wakandans to get within 10 miles of Riri without the US Gov intervening with military presence because shes to big an asset to the US. Particularly after Wakanda Queen decided to tell the rest of the world that theyre to dangerous for Magical McGuffin Metal, thus making Wakanda an existential threat to every other super power on the planet.
Oh, and the real kicker? If Wakanda lost their fight with Namor and his group, the rest of the world would (in theory) be genocided or enslaved because they dont have the Magical McGuffin Metal to fight them off. So Wakanda literally gambled the lives of billions out of hubris against an enemy that was technologically similar and could've won if it werent for plot contrivances. Some good guys they really turned out to be.
Unrelated to the video, but I just have to say that your channel is truly incredible. The things you have to say are WAY more insightful than other movie reviewers, and your editing is great. You have a really pleasant voice to listen to. I'm really glad I found your channel and I am really excited to see where it goes.
That’s lovely to hear!
He’s got more content on his other YT channel, LostChord, totally rec it
T'Chala already had that purple goop flower shyte in his system already because he was already Black Panther, so what good would adding more purple goop flower shyte really do, what made Shuri so sure more would save him??
20:26 - 20:43 OMG This is like the Adam West family guy joke about his bulletproof shield
"I should warn you, I've a tiny bulletproof shield the exact size of a bullet somewhere on my body. And if you hit it, I'll be unharmed and your plan will be foiled. You'll be the laughing stock of me"
I was waiting and knowing you were going to do this. The dry humor and hopefully dark humor incoming!!!! I'm sure I'm going to love this.