Spacedock I swear, if you didn't have the Corvette class frigate in the list, I would have been very upset. 😅 Speaking of upset, if money is tight, is there a way to get this bonus in the future as a special exception?
What if they only pretend to be pacifist, and even hide it from their own personel? *_"Whoa"_* -Ted Logan. They always just seem to have that vital technological development or a few spare ships they can muster to just snatch victory at the last minute. _They're faking it!_ There's a whole bunch of advanced warships they keep hidden and dole out as required. "Oh the Dominion is getting closer… here's another Defiant class, and another. Oh look, we just so happen to have a spare." Enterprise gets destroyed: "What a coincidence, we have a brand new better ship just ready to take it's place". The buggers have time travel, they're able to go ahead and see what is _just_ needed to scrape through. They fine tune it. Look at the odds, that many last minute saves means a fix is in. If a team kept winning match after match with a last second field goal, the bookies would be suspicious.
@@SonsOfLorgar Except that in current naval terminology (and as would have been current as of the filming of Star Wars), a destroyer is the primary surface combat vessel of all blue-water navies.
@@derpimusmaximus8815 Okay, but the name 'imperial star' class doesn't make sense, coupled with the fact that everyone calls them 'star destroyers' colloquially in the movies. It's very obvious that a Star Destroyer, like a Battlestar, is a ship type.
Ah yes, the lancer frigate. Their most-practical and realistically-effective anti-Rebel ship just happened to be the Orkiest in design. This is VERY amusing.
Homeworld ion frigates have the same premise. Ion cannon with a hull wrapped around it. Considering how the UNSC needed as many guns in space as possible. Dunno if majority of frigs are rated for atmo. Think Dubbo commented in Halo 3 asking if the Dawn was rated for atmo
@@uss_04 okay, but what if they were a bit more like the covenant and had solid slug projectile coil and rail gun's as the main weapon's, and using plasma weapon's as a secondary function for close-range/ point defense weapons
I think you mean the Strident-class, the Stalwart was the frigate in Halo 2. TBH, I think that the UNSC lost the plot after the war, though a lot of that is down to 343 being bad when it comes to writing lore in general.
@@ratchet2505 Yeah, the stridents. Not the best looking frigate design, though I think it could have worked if scaled up into a destroyer or light cruiser. Classes where it would have made sense for them to be. The USNC has way too many frigate classes.
@Rising Horizon Gaming The problem is they changed the class of the Forward Unto Dawn herself. I'm fine with them replacing the Stalwart/Paris/Charon class frigates with the Stridents, shows that the UNSC fleet has upgraded since the Covenant war, but the Dawn was already shown as a Charon-class frigate and they arbitrarily changed her to the Strident-class, just like they changed Master Chief's MJOLNIR Mk.VI to the same style as the Spartan-IV's suits, even though Cortana had no access to the IV designs at the time or she would have alerted the Infinity to come and rescue them. Have the new frigates be Stridents and the new Spartans have MJOLNIR Mk.VI Gen II suits, but keep the Chief and the Dawn in the Halo 3 styles until Chief rejoins the UNSC aboard the Infinity.
@Shadowfox 5481 Except the new suit is *exactly* the same as the Gen-II suits the Spartan IV's wear. Also changing the Dawn for that is a terrible excuse. Don't change the ship design simply to add a feature that wasn't there before, use what was there before creatively. There is nothing in the Dawn's arsenal beyond the MAC cannon, currently missing at that point, that could seriously harm a Covenant ship. That's why the Dawn, when fully intact, *ran* from the space battle over the Ark and hid on the surface while the Elites fought the Brutes in orbit.
I'm not really sure I agree with the idea of the Star Trek thing and the hero ship. TOS had several episodes featuring not just one but several other Constitutions, TNG used the Yamato, DS9 used the Valiant and then the Sao Paulo, and Enterprise used the Columbia a lot.
At the risk of earning the wrath of DIS-dissers, Discovery also showed the main ship’s sister vessel Glenn, although they had to blow her up, leaving just the Discovery. No USS Crossfield either, breaking the naming convention.
Daniel is referring to how Star Trek in the TNG era refused to use say, the Constitution class as background starships (other than once in Best of Both Worlds pt2) and later on, refused to use the Sovereign class Enterprise-E or even just another Sovvie during DS9. Stuff like that came from Rick Berman IIRC.
The best part about the Adamant is that even though it’s one of the first ships you unlock, it’s still a viable unit well into the endgame. My standard fleet configurations for most of the campaign always had a flight or two of Adamants, usually escorting either Artemis or Jupiter class battlestars. Very nicely balanced little machine. :D
A _Blake's 7_ ship series, the Liberator deserves its own episode since it had so much tech that was unique in that IP. And there's a lot of source material, even a guidebook/manual. Then a episode on the other major ships, the Federation Pursuit ships they had different marks, Scorpio, Servalan's ship, any others? The Liberator was my favourite childhood ship, *had* the small diecast model. Along with a large Eagle that could drop it's centre module and had shocks in its legs, that iconic ship needs a long episode. *_Had… …_*
Babylon 5 disproved the hero ship nonsense a long time ago. The most they ever did to differentiate Sheridan's ships was to give White Star One a B5 logo.
Frankly, I think how sprawling and bloated the Imperial Fleet was is accurate to a galaxy spanning empire. You had MILLIONS of ship designers and MILLIONS of ship builders. I can see them making hundred upon hundreds of different classes of ships.
Never noticed before but the side profile of the Halo, Paris class frigate looks like a sci-fi rifle. The bridge is the gun scope, the elevator the grip, the aft end the gun stock l, and obviously the forend of the ship looks like the muzzle. Really cool!
Good video Spacedock as always, also you can do a video about the most common propulsion systems in sci-fi, like ion drives in Star Wars, Impulse Drives in Star Trek etc
I'd love for them to do a video about how hyperdrives and warp drives are now actual scientific concepts....but ones that the series that named them do not use. Hyperdrives are supposed to require going into an alternate dimension where you can move faster. Disney retconned hyperdrives into the ship going really fast. Halo uses hyper drives, as does warhammer. Warp drives supposedly fold space to move the ship. Like Event Horizon was supposed to. But that's not how it works in star trek. Star trek uses mass effect rules where a field is created around the ship to make it lighter, thus allowing them to cheat past relativity.
Are you sure about that Star Trek rule? Because there are notable exeptions. The USS Constellation in "TOS Doomsday Machine", the USS Excalibur in "TOS The Ultimate Computer", the USS Yamato in two Episodes of TNG and the Columbia in several episodes of ENT. All ships of the same class as the " heroship" and featured longer and more prominent than the Karakum in The Expanse
@@MrMeldonius True, but the Galaxy ones weren't actually shown along with the Enterprise D, so that doesn't count. Or we had to include every time an Excelsior-class was shown as well. But with the Valiant you are right
and that's putting aside the series that did long before. SG Atlantis with the Daedalus and Apollo doing some tandem 304 ass whooping. A whole fleet of White Stars in Babylon 5.
One minor detail on the New Orleans? In addition to changing the windows and letter box, the saucer and engineering hull are from different scale Ertl Galaxy class kits, which makes the saucer larger in scale to its engineering hull.
03:40 that picture on that background basically makes it look like theres a cutout to be used as a rifle. Wonder if that lengthy lower portion is meant to be used as a magazine for the MAC.
8:31 Star Trek did show the 'hero-ship-class' sometimes though. In early TNG we saw the USS Yamato, a Galaxy class. In Voyager we saw (future) LaForge commanding a Galaxy class. Not to mention, we saw hundreds of Galaxy class ships in the Dominion War. We've also seen another Defiant class (with those arrogant ensigns). Not sure about the Constitution class; been too long. The Intrepid class was shown in DS9 I believe, in s7 ep16. But yeah, except for the Galaxy class, the hero ships are quite rare.
@@AeronHale Most of mine have some historical background. For instance, Lansdowne is named after a WWII Gleaves-class destroyer, DD-486. My Nebula-class ship, Chennault, is named after a U.S. Air Force general. My Defiant, Clarence K. Bronson, is named after a WWII Fletcher-class destroyer
What about the Nebulan-B frigate? It was amongst the best of its weight class in Star Wars and often used as command ships for small fleets on both sides. It was also an unconventional ship design and very popular within the SW universe.
A little thing I noticed in the Halo universe is how the technology changed after the war, like example the Muslanne-class frigate is a frigate made after the war, the design is based on the Paris-class heavy frigate but since humanity know’s their MAC guns aren’t very effective against warships, they instead replaced it with a reversed engineered covenant laser weapon this also meant that the under part is removed since they could probably place the battery on where the MAC gun used to be and then the central area that splits between the lower and upper deck is now where the laser comes out. This type of Frigate is meant to support Autumn-class and Strident-class warships. They disable the shields with laser fire and the bigger ships use their MACs
I always loved the look of the Ion Arrays myself, wich are essentially just Kusari raider ion frigates. Oooooh wait wait! The Kadeshi multi beam ion frigates you meet in the nebula, theyre just gorgeous!
I always thought of the Adamant as a mini-Galactica. Such a nice and well-fitting design. Another favorite of mine that gets too little love is the Atlas carrier. As a dedicated carrier, escorted by Adamant frigates Minotaur gunships, it makes a lot more sense as a fleet's central ship than a jack-of-all-trades battlestar. Without Deadlock's fleet size caps I would make the Atlas and Adamant the mainstay of every fleet, to be supported by other specialist ships as necessary.
Star Trek TOS: The Ultimate Computer had 5 Constitution Class ships. Doomsday Weapon had 2. The Tholian Web has the Enterprise and Defiant TNG: Where Silence has Lease had a fake USS Yamato while Contagion has the real Yamato DS9: Don't think it had more than one Defiant class on screen at anyone time but there were 4 ships of that design at least in the show. Defiant, Valiant, São Paulo, Mirror Defiant Voyager: Makes sense to only have one Intrepid. It was alone. Enterprise: First of its class but was shadowed by a future version in Season 3's "E2" and Colombia in season 4
How did Homeworld not make the list? Giant Banana floating through space anyone? But I do think Homeworld got some really nice ships. All Salvage Corvettes launch!
Great video, HOWEVER! How on earth can you miss out any of the frigates in Homeworld? Most of those a thing of beauty (with the exception of the ones that were infected in Cataclysm). HOMEWORLD!
UNSC Pre war frigate types: Paris: Used for Anti Ship engagements. Charon: Used for troop deployments and fleet escort duty. Stalwart: Used for planetary defense, fleet escort duty, troop deployment and when in groups anti ship engagements.
Great list! Glad to see the Paris-class represented. Probably my personal all-time favorite Frigate design. Also, shout-out to Red vs. Blue Season 10 for prominently featuring a Paris-class as a sort-of Hero Ship with a really great looking model and an awesome name ('Mother of Invention')
Homeworld, Multi-Beam Frigate. One chassis with as many ion canons as you can cram into it, pointing all directions. It crushes fighters, it eats corvets, it beats fellow frigates, and a couple of them can easily punch above their weight class.
I happen to love the Excelsior class... My ship in Star Trek Online, USS Gadolin is Excelsior class. The Excelsiors are just a great looking, solid, reliable design and I love that they use them so much... As for the "hero ship" thing the original Star Trek had several episodes with other Constitution class star ships. The ultimate computer, the Doomsday Machine, the Omega Glory... Next Generation had a few appearances of the Yamato, another Galaxy class star ship in the early seasons including Where Silence has Lease...
A great video man but I would argue one thing, and I imagine a few others have done it as well, but Star Trek did show other ships of the same class on screen across pretty much all the shows. There was several occasions in TOS where one or more Constitution class vessels were on screen, TNG showed another Galaxy class in the USS Yamato, DS9 had multiple Galaxys, Defiants and one Intrepid onscreen, Enterprise had the Enterprise and Columbia bumping into each other alot in season 4 and Discovery had another Crossfield class show up early on.
That was only in the original Homeworld. Subsequent games, including the remastered HW sadly nerfed fighters such that they wouldn't do evasive maneuvers when attacking.
Homeworld had some of the best frigates in sci-fi. It feels very weird not having any of them on the list, and instead some frigate from an obscure game wins? Such a weird choice.
5:37 the reason they didn't use this kitbash, and most of the others, is that they were mostly made for the battle of Wolf 359, and thus battle-damaged with a lighter for the graveyard scene, thus making them impossible to use afterwards. Of course, they could have rebuilt it, but that would've been more expensive than breaking out the old Excelsior model for just one more scene.
Star Trek had multiple episodes in TOS when other Constitution-Class ships were seen (including a 4-on-1 war game), TNG encountered the U.S.S. Yamato twice (as well as multiple sightings of the Galaxy-Class throughout the Dominion War), the Defiant was the first in a long line of warships, we even saw another Intrepid-Class being used as a diplomatic transport to Romulus during the Dominion War.
6:50 they called it the "corvette" class because who doesnt like a corvette, even hundreds of years in the future a corvette stingray is still awesome!
(4:48) I actually have one of the same kind of highlighter pens that they used on this kit bash. It's really old and I don't even think it works anymore, but I still keep it around just to show my fellow nerds. ;)
Love all the halo unsc frigates. Charon marine frigate, Paris, stalwart, hermes light carrier frigate. As for the adamant, I remember having a brief time playing deadlock and I spammed these things to great effect
To celebrate this most excellent video, I used the GUPRS Spaceship expansion to design...MY OWN FRIGATE! It's called the Endeavour class and it was designed by some hypothetical future UN that has discovered FTL travel midway through the design of the ship, so they took it and slapped a makeshift FTL drive on it via a deployable FTL "Tug" that sits in the hanger until it's needed for travel. The Endeavour class is 70 meters long and has a dry weight of 700 tons. It uses two .5G fusion torch drives for acceleration and 300 tons of hydrogen for reaction mass, with a spinal 3 gigajoule UV laser, 30 forward mounted 24 centimeter conventional missile tubes and 300 racked missiles. It's defenses are a full hull of hardened fullerine stealth armor with thirty 30 kilojoule gattling UV lasers for missile defense. For utility, it's got a 200 ton hanger bay loaded with a 100 ton multirole corvette that carries 30 marines and 30 tons of cargo, with twin linked forward mounted 3cm railguns (400 round capacity each.) The next 100 tons are occupied by 9 Stinger Drones: Essentially they're 1.5 tons of hydrogen reaction mass strapped to five high thrust fusion torch drives and a single gattling 2.5cm railgun. They've got 350 kps of Delta-V, so they're fully capable of prolonged engagements *and* suicide run fast pass attacks, where they can add their relative velocity to their railguns. And, finally, the FTL tug - which is slower than a dedicated jump drive (taking 500 minutes rather than 60 to fully charge.) however, the FTLT has one huge advantage over an internal jump drive: It can be deployed, then FTL jump itself in a mere 5 minutes (as it doesn't need to create a massive envelope around a 70 meter long ship.) Then it arrives back at a naval supply base, attaches to, say, a cargo canister of missiles or a reaction mass tank, then it can FTL back. It can resupply the Endeavour class with 100 tons of supply every 50 minutes! ...of course, since this is GURPS, I'd never want to actually *play* the game, but the design was fun! And the insane thing? This ship is only 400,000,000 dollars, roughly. The GDP of a TL11 planet in GURPS, according to my calculations, can build 40 of them every year with 0.01% of it's military budget.
I don't get what you meant about the Star Trek hero ships, they always showed different ships of the same class. The original series showed like 5 different Constitution classes, TNG showed the Yamato twice, Enterprise had the Columbia and even Discovery showed the Glenn.
Phil Rimmer there’s also the valiant and other defiant class seen after the dominion take ds9, it’s not common but you do see other types of hero class ships often.
Nitpick: when summarizing the New Orleans, you list the torpedo pods as "2 ventral and 1 dorsal," when it should in fact be the other way around -- 2 dorsal and 1 ventral.
Check out the game Nexus: The Jupiter Incident for some cool ship designs. One feature I like is that there are no weapons that fire only forward (except the siege laser, but that one’s special). Instead, turrets are spread out all over the hull, and ships will rotate to bring them to bear. You’ll probably like the Earth designs with rotating sections, main drives on both bow and stern (so you don’t have to flip over to slow down), thrusters firing off to change direction, and weapons usage: kinetics to damage hull, lasers to disable or destroy subsystems, and limited missiles/torpedoes for artillery shots. Native Earth ships don’t have shields, but most others do, so they have “energy shells” to bring down shields before kinetics and lasers come into play. Fighters are laser fodder unless you manage to disable the enemy flak grid first.
The Adamant is not only one of the best looking frigates, is also one of the most efficient and effective ships in Deadlock, I still used them in the late game, and used in tandem with a good Battlestar and some rangers can do wonders
The Lancer Frigate, the ship that could have saved the Empire… - Change my mind. It could have even defeated plot armour if used as the standard escort in numbers.
If memory serves, it was a _good_ ship, but it had some limitations in-universe that kept it from being a truly _great_ one. Granted, they are the premier anti-fighter platform in the galaxy, and really shine when they can stick to that role, but no design is without limits and compromises, and the Lancer's were kind of glaring. They were kind of slow for something designed to chase starfighters, which meant any kind of strung-out convoy could see Lancers get out of position quickly. They were also rather big at 250m long, which made them a turbolaser magnet for enemy capital ships. Between their advanced targeting sensors, fire control computers, and large crew complement, Lancers are expensive to run, too. Could they have saved the Empire? Eh, probably not on their own. Their criminal under-use of Lancers is a symptom of larger problems infecting the Empire: for all their limitations, they were well-designed ships eminently suited for dealing with a fighter-heavy enemy, so it was largely a mix of inefficient bureaucracy, personal vendettas among the Admiralty, and organizational inertia working against projects like the Lancer (and TIE Defender) that would have made the Imperial Fleet more effective.
Really like the Idris class frigate from Star Citizen (last version, not the old one),a long range frigate who can use a massive railgun and small ship bay. The fact the frigate protects it's own ship bay seamlessly in his fuselage is great for visual and strategy.The idris can perform atmospheric flight with 6 rotating VTOL Thrusters. The only weak point of the design of this ship is the bridge,who is above the top of the ship (connects by 3 arms+stairs/elevator).But still cool because of the great view and his own shield generator.
The reason why I love Expanse design is that no other Sci-Fi works incorporate artificial gravity in the same way as Expanse, or rather in the correct way as Expanse. All other designs gave the impression of a modern day maritime ship just flying in space, while Expanse truly build in that solid spaceship architecture in all of its design.
A proper ships without artificial gravity would likely put the floor towards the engines to provide some gravity during acceleration and braking (assuming the ship flips over to decelerate). I believe that’s the case with dreadnoughts in Mass Effect since they’re not meant to land on planets.
Not sure what you mean by that rule, in Trek. I mean, I get what you’re saying. But to all intents and purposes, I believe this “rule” was broken by every single Trek series: TOS - USS Constellation and Defiant, both appear as Constitution-class vessels in scenes with the Enterprise. TNG - USS Yamato appears in “Where Silence Has Lease”; admittedly as an illusion. But that illusion still shared FX scenes with the Enterprise-D. DS9 - Although only the USS Valiant applies, in this case, it couldn’t have been said to “confuse” viewers, when it was destroyed in its eponymous episode. VOY - No other Intrepid-class vessels appear in the series. HOWEVER, one could remark that the appearance of the USS Bellerophon, in the DS9 episode “Inta Arma Enim Silent Leges”, might have risked “confusing” people who watched both shows at the time. But it didn’t. ENT - Only the Columbia NX-02 applies, here. And of course, it specifically shared scenes with the Enterprise after its launch for purely dramatic effect. DSC - The USS Glenn was very deliberately included, as the “sister ship” of the Discovery, not long after Discovery first shows up. In conclusion, I don’t think showrunners in ANY iteration of Star Trek were as worried about “confusing audiences” as you’re claiming. Yes, appearances of identical class vessels were rare; I believe any responsible world-builder would want to show that Starfleet had a diverse range of ships, in all of these eras - even as also one gets to reap the benefit of using duplicate assets and sets, when such ships do appear. But respectfully, I believe this idea that showrunners “wanted to make each hero ship appear distinct and never show another vessel like it on screen” is nonsense. I hope I haven’t misunderstood you, there.
I too love the Rocinante, but you also called it one of your top five corvettes, and now you're classifying it as a frigate. Also, We've seen in the show that only a handful of people can operate it, yet it holds its own against ships with much larger crews, and Holden even calls it a warship. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely an instant classic in ship design, but doesn't it fall into the "ship that can do everything trope"?
From a nomenclature standpoint, it kinda fills the role of both. During the Age of Sail, a corvette was a light warship designed for patrols and small engagements, and a Frigate was the next step up from a corvette, although it was more capable of working in a fleet setting as an escort and flank guard. In each case, however, a Corvette would generally lose to a Frigate in a fight, and a Frigate would be hashed by a Ship of the Line. Both types were revived during WWII as convoy escorts, although the Corvette was eventually superseded by the Frigate due to range and speed issues. The Corvette-Class can work as both a light patrol vessel and warship (although the Morrigan-Class is probably more suited to the patrol role), but given that the Donnager-Class can carry them as escort vessels more puts them into a Frigate role.
@@draco84oz Well the Morrigan-class Patrol Destroyer isn't really an actual Destroyer but a slightly better armed Patrol Torpedo Boat. Other destroyers in the Expanse novels are always much larger and more heavily armed including keel-mounted railguns. The Morrigan seems heavily suited for patroling shipping lanes and performing inspections than for full military actions against hostile fleets
Love your content man just have to call you out on the Star Trek hero ship thing. Conny's where everywhere in TOS. You see the Yamato in TNG and, the Odyssey in DS9 while TNG was still airing, as well as the Belleraphon on DS9 while Voyager was airing.
Homeworld ion cannon frigate, the Kushan variant before they got to Hiigara. Single purpose frigate that just looks amazing in combat especially with three or more focus firing a larger capital ship.
Chuck’s Favorites 5. Hyperion class heavy cruiser (Babylon 5) while this is called a heavy cruiser in relation to the Omega or Warlock classes it's an escort. 4. Airone-class (Starblazers) A a sailor I've always loved the Japanese styled warships among the stars. 3. Miranda-class Heavy Frigate (Star Trek) like this a lot better than the kit bashed ships that came along later. 2. MCRN Corvette-class light frigate (The Expanse) I have to agree with everything you said about this little ship. 1. Consular-class frigate (Star Wars) A good all purpose ship from canon. Replenishment ships next?
I know everyone loves to focus on the ships but the crews are mainly why i love the federation more then any other IP. Very intelligent problem solvers and even with setbacks, they come back stronger. People forget that others feared the federation so much, they banded them from developing cloaking technology. Even in TNG we got a insight into what might happen if they take the kid gloves off and go all out. Starfleed is a sleeping dragon that just wants to have fun flying and exploring.
there is a lot of footage and stuff going on a UNSC Frigate in Red vs Blue.. the UNSC Mother of Invention (including a fight against a Halbert class destroyer)
Great video as always. However, I must say, my heart jumped for a moment when I saw New Orleans frigate name. I thought for a second that you might bring in some not-so-known IP in the fray (Dropfleet/Dropzone Commander in this case), but no - it's Star Trek again. Well, maybe someday...
Frigates are my all time favorite type of ship but none of my scifi favorites made it onto the list though three of my favorites from their respective navies did. The Paris class, Corvette class, and Adamant class are my favorite ships from their fleets, and the latter two my favorite classes from their franchise but I have a bias against space warships which are either armed exclusively with missiles, torpedoes, and projectile cannons, or have all of their primary weapons consist of such types like the Congress class Frigate from Battletech. And as I've grown older and more certain that humanity will have energy weapons long before we have space battle fleets that bias has only grown. My five favorite Scifi frigate classes in no particular order Kyushu class Frigate (Battletech) Shashore class Frigate (Star Wars Legends) Hellion class Frigate (Rebel Galaxy) Indomitable class Frigate (Renegade Legion) Hunter class Frigate (Starfleet Universe and Starfleet Command I and II)
The Roci every time! Note there is a new Season 4. Trailer dropped on the weekend with her new Paint job - including a far more detailed render and a significant upgrade that the book fans have been itching to see
What's the difference between a frigate and a corvette? Have you ever considering doing a video about the different classes of ships and how they're different (corvette, frigate, destroyer, carrier, battleship, etc)?
I fully agree with you on the diligence that was applied to the Deadlock game ship designs, I own it, it's one of my favorite games and BSG is my fav of all sci-fi IPs, the ships that were put into the game are gorgeous and definitely carry over the design tendencies of both the colonials and the cylons, but the butchery that was done to the Jupiter class... NEEDS to be corrected... hahaha
Star Trek had a a few times with same class ships. TOS had Doomsday Machine, TNG had the Enterprise watch the Yamato explode in season 1, ST:Enterprise had some pretty badass scenes with Columbia and a future Enterprise flying in close formation (respectively) with Enterprise.
I don't think Trek isnearly as strict about "no doubles of the hero ship" as you suggest. The TOS Enterprise encountered Defiant, Constellation, Lexington and a few other Constitution-class ships. The Enterprise D hung out with the Yamato for a little bit in one episode. I think DS9 showed multiple Defiants in some of the big battles. The final season of Enterprise featured the NX-01 alongside the newly launches NX-02 Columbia.
Love to see Battlestar Galactica ships hands down my favorite science fiction series with the expanse as a close second and Expeditionary Force as my third
Star Trek has shown the same class as the hero ship a few times. The Yamato in TNG was another Galaxy-class ship. The Odyssey was also Galaxy-class even though by that time TNG had ended. We've seen quite a few Galaxy-class ships. DS9 also gave us the Bellerophon, an Intrepid-class ship that was shown while Voyager was still airing. And of course the Valiant, another Defiant-class ship also seen in DS9. Enterprise showed the Enterprise and Columbia, two ships of the same class, onscreen at the same time in close formation. So yeah. Star Trek's given us the hero ship model as other ships numerous times. Sometimese onscreen at the same time, even.
I feel like, in general, strategy games are really good for sci-fi because they force the creation of a lot of new units where there are no existing units to fill certain gameplay roles.
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ehm... Star Trek showed the Yamato a Galaxy Class right in Front of the Enterprise D.
Spacedock I swear, if you didn't have the Corvette class frigate in the list, I would have been very upset. 😅
Speaking of upset, if money is tight, is there a way to get this bonus in the future as a special exception?
Ma boi munificent didn't appear, I'm straight up not having a good time.
I like 343'S redesign. They're great
Bro, you forgot the munificent
"As starfleet tripped over it's pacifism for the 900th time"
This times 8000.
@@guerrillaentrepreneur5999 They could REALLY use some advice from the UNSC lol
@@TybrosionMojito I agree..........
What a wonderful quote!
What if they only pretend to be pacifist, and even hide it from their own personel?
*_"Whoa"_* -Ted Logan.
They always just seem to have that vital technological development or a few spare ships they can muster to just snatch victory at the last minute.
_They're faking it!_
There's a whole bunch of advanced warships they keep hidden and dole out as required.
"Oh the Dominion is getting closer… here's another Defiant class, and another. Oh look, we just so happen to have a spare."
Enterprise gets destroyed: "What a coincidence, we have a brand new better ship just ready to take it's place".
The buggers have time travel, they're able to go ahead and see what is _just_ needed to scrape through.
They fine tune it. Look at the odds, that many last minute saves means a fix is in.
If a team kept winning match after match with a last second field goal, the bookies would be suspicious.
Ahem... “IT’S OVER 9000!!!”
Martians cause confusion by calling a Frigate _Corvette class._
The Imperial Star _Destroyer_
*…"Hold my beer".*
Dreadnought-class cruiser : "Hello?"
@@ThachWeave the point is that a "Star Destroyer" is a battleship of the line, not a destroyer.
As destroyer=escort, skirmish and screening role.
@@PaiSAMSEN Frankly speaking, "dreadnought" was never a true ship classification, It was still a battleship. And "Dreadnought" was just a name.
@@SonsOfLorgar Except that in current naval terminology (and as would have been current as of the filming of Star Wars), a destroyer is the primary surface combat vessel of all blue-water navies.
@@derpimusmaximus8815 Okay, but the name 'imperial star' class doesn't make sense, coupled with the fact that everyone calls them 'star destroyers' colloquially in the movies. It's very obvious that a Star Destroyer, like a Battlestar, is a ship type.
Ah yes, the lancer frigate. Their most-practical and realistically-effective anti-Rebel ship just happened to be the Orkiest in design. This is VERY amusing.
I love the halo Frigate, it seem'd awsome in it's own right
It also kind of look like a gun make sense since it build around a rail gun one the coolest ship in sci-fi
Actually a MAC is a coilgun not a railgun. Different operating principles.
@@commanderknight9314 why not utilize both in one ship I wonder, what could go wrong
Homeworld ion frigates have the same premise. Ion cannon with a hull wrapped around it.
Considering how the UNSC needed as many guns in space as possible.
Dunno if majority of frigs are rated for atmo. Think Dubbo commented in Halo 3 asking if the Dawn was rated for atmo
@@uss_04 okay, but what if they were a bit more like the covenant and had solid slug projectile coil and rail gun's as the main weapon's, and using plasma weapon's as a secondary function for close-range/ point defense weapons
"I'm not including the weird 343 redesigns." -Spacedock, 2019
Good man.
I think you mean the Strident-class, the Stalwart was the frigate in Halo 2. TBH, I think that the UNSC lost the plot after the war, though a lot of that is down to 343 being bad when it comes to writing lore in general.
Have you seen the new ones that they've done?
Mix of the old and new. (the ones that the infinity drops off)
@@ratchet2505 Yeah, the stridents. Not the best looking frigate design, though I think it could have worked if scaled up into a destroyer or light cruiser. Classes where it would have made sense for them to be. The USNC has way too many frigate classes.
@Rising Horizon Gaming The problem is they changed the class of the Forward Unto Dawn herself. I'm fine with them replacing the Stalwart/Paris/Charon class frigates with the Stridents, shows that the UNSC fleet has upgraded since the Covenant war, but the Dawn was already shown as a Charon-class frigate and they arbitrarily changed her to the Strident-class, just like they changed Master Chief's MJOLNIR Mk.VI to the same style as the Spartan-IV's suits, even though Cortana had no access to the IV designs at the time or she would have alerted the Infinity to come and rescue them. Have the new frigates be Stridents and the new Spartans have MJOLNIR Mk.VI Gen II suits, but keep the Chief and the Dawn in the Halo 3 styles until Chief rejoins the UNSC aboard the Infinity.
@Shadowfox 5481 Except the new suit is *exactly* the same as the Gen-II suits the Spartan IV's wear. Also changing the Dawn for that is a terrible excuse. Don't change the ship design simply to add a feature that wasn't there before, use what was there before creatively. There is nothing in the Dawn's arsenal beyond the MAC cannon, currently missing at that point, that could seriously harm a Covenant ship. That's why the Dawn, when fully intact, *ran* from the space battle over the Ark and hid on the surface while the Elites fought the Brutes in orbit.
I'm not really sure I agree with the idea of the Star Trek thing and the hero ship. TOS had several episodes featuring not just one but several other Constitutions, TNG used the Yamato, DS9 used the Valiant and then the Sao Paulo, and Enterprise used the Columbia a lot.
parallaxgames Thankyou! I’ve made a similar comment above, in more detail - also accounting for an intrepid-class ship showing up in a DS9 episode 👍
At the risk of earning the wrath of DIS-dissers, Discovery also showed the main ship’s sister vessel Glenn, although they had to blow her up, leaving just the Discovery. No USS Crossfield either, breaking the naming convention.
The Odessey in DS9 as well numerous other galaxy class ships. And DS9 had a sister station.
Ah you beat me to it. Wish i had read down. Also I forgot the Valiant! Likewise we also saw the USS Glen in Disco which is a crossfield class.
Daniel is referring to how Star Trek in the TNG era refused to use say, the Constitution class as background starships (other than once in Best of Both Worlds pt2) and later on, refused to use the Sovereign class Enterprise-E or even just another Sovvie during DS9.
Stuff like that came from Rick Berman IIRC.
The best part about the Adamant is that even though it’s one of the first ships you unlock, it’s still a viable unit well into the endgame. My standard fleet configurations for most of the campaign always had a flight or two of Adamants, usually escorting either Artemis or Jupiter class battlestars. Very nicely balanced little machine. :D
"The Grafton is dust! We need to get out of here, now!" - Carter-A259
Addison Cooke they didn't do there math 😂
The Adamant is absolutely gorgeous! They definitely nailed the aesthetics of the show
Top Five Battlecruisers next? Still waiting for the Blake's 7 Liberator to get some long overdue love.
i wonder if he would consider the starcaft battlecruisers in that video.
A _Blake's 7_ ship series, the Liberator deserves its own episode since it had so much tech that was unique in that IP. And there's a lot of source material, even a guidebook/manual.
Then a episode on the other major ships, the Federation Pursuit ships they had different marks, Scorpio, Servalan's ship, any others?
The Liberator was my favourite childhood ship, *had* the small diecast model.
Along with a large Eagle that could drop it's centre module and had shocks in its legs, that iconic ship needs a long episode.
*_Had… …_*
Scorpio?
D-7 would win.
Hope the Preator gets show off in that video.
Babylon 5 disproved the hero ship nonsense a long time ago.
The most they ever did to differentiate Sheridan's ships was to give White Star One a B5 logo.
They also have some really cool frigates in the canon B5Wars supplements. That I personally would put in my list of favorite frigates.
Actually that was White Star #2 LOL
Frankly, I think how sprawling and bloated the Imperial Fleet was is accurate to a galaxy spanning empire. You had MILLIONS of ship designers and MILLIONS of ship builders. I can see them making hundred upon hundreds of different classes of ships.
Never noticed before but the side profile of the Halo, Paris class frigate looks like a sci-fi rifle. The bridge is the gun scope, the elevator the grip, the aft end the gun stock l, and obviously the forend of the ship looks like the muzzle. Really cool!
9:27 100% agree. The Morrigan is my favourite Expanse ship also
"Amun Ra"
"Moment in the sun"
I see what you did there.
All hail Ra, may he reign forever, or until Ego and Ultron blow him up.
Word of advice, don’t let your browser autocorrect to “Morrigan expansion” when searching for “Morrigan The Expanse”!
That's why I always put the name of the IP before the specific thing I want to search
Fadel Sukoco Rule 34 man, nothing is safe!
LMAO
Good video Spacedock as always, also you can do a video about the most common propulsion systems in sci-fi, like ion drives in Star Wars, Impulse Drives in Star Trek etc
Didn't he had one on the Epstein Drive? Also one on the K-F Drive out of the Battletech/Mechwarrior IP would be great to see.
I'd love for them to do a video about how hyperdrives and warp drives are now actual scientific concepts....but ones that the series that named them do not use.
Hyperdrives are supposed to require going into an alternate dimension where you can move faster. Disney retconned hyperdrives into the ship going really fast. Halo uses hyper drives, as does warhammer.
Warp drives supposedly fold space to move the ship. Like Event Horizon was supposed to. But that's not how it works in star trek. Star trek uses mass effect rules where a field is created around the ship to make it lighter, thus allowing them to cheat past relativity.
Yes, adore the adamant. It's a fantastic ship, both in design and during combat.
Adamant definitely deserves its place in this list. A great looking (and deceptively capable) design which was perfectly implemented in terms of lore.
Are you sure about that Star Trek rule? Because there are notable exeptions. The USS Constellation in "TOS Doomsday Machine", the USS Excalibur in "TOS The Ultimate Computer", the USS Yamato in two Episodes of TNG and the Columbia in several episodes of ENT. All ships of the same class as the " heroship" and featured longer and more prominent than the Karakum in The Expanse
Glenn in DIS.
@@artembentsionov true, had forgotten that one. Thanks
Also Valiant in DS9 and there were some Galaxy-class ships in DS9
@@MrMeldonius True, but the Galaxy ones weren't actually shown along with the Enterprise D, so that doesn't count. Or we had to include every time an Excelsior-class was shown as well. But with the Valiant you are right
and that's putting aside the series that did long before. SG Atlantis with the Daedalus and Apollo doing some tandem 304 ass whooping. A whole fleet of White Stars in Babylon 5.
One minor detail on the New Orleans? In addition to changing the windows and letter box, the saucer and engineering hull are from different scale Ertl Galaxy class kits, which makes the saucer larger in scale to its engineering hull.
03:40 that picture on that background basically makes it look like theres a cutout to be used as a rifle.
Wonder if that lengthy lower portion is meant to be used as a magazine for the MAC.
At 3:55 it's labelled as "Main Loading Elevator"
Yea it's for carrying Vehicles and Cargo
8:31 Star Trek did show the 'hero-ship-class' sometimes though. In early TNG we saw the USS Yamato, a Galaxy class. In Voyager we saw (future) LaForge commanding a Galaxy class. Not to mention, we saw hundreds of Galaxy class ships in the Dominion War. We've also seen another Defiant class (with those arrogant ensigns). Not sure about the Constitution class; been too long. The Intrepid class was shown in DS9 I believe, in s7 ep16.
But yeah, except for the Galaxy class, the hero ships are quite rare.
why do I feel like the USS Yamato is like the real thing that being it was created due to corruption
Lol “the Federation had tripped over their pacifism for the 950th time”… Truer words were never spoken.
I use a New Orleans in STO.
It's such a sweetheart.
Flies great, plenty of firepower, and stupidly strong shields.
Nice! What do you call her? I command an Ambassador-class cruiser, USS Lansdowne (NCC-26486)
U.S.S. Starblind
After the Iron Maiden song.
@@AeronHale Lansdowne approves
Most of my ships are named after songs.
@@AeronHale Most of mine have some historical background. For instance, Lansdowne is named after a WWII Gleaves-class destroyer, DD-486. My Nebula-class ship, Chennault, is named after a U.S. Air Force general. My Defiant, Clarence K. Bronson, is named after a WWII Fletcher-class destroyer
Regarding ship design The Expanse/MCRN and Babylon 5Earth Force FTW always.
What about the Nebulan-B frigate? It was amongst the best of its weight class in Star Wars and often used as command ships for small fleets on both sides. It was also an unconventional ship design and very popular within the SW universe.
A little thing I noticed in the Halo universe is how the technology changed after the war, like example the Muslanne-class frigate is a frigate made after the war, the design is based on the Paris-class heavy frigate but since humanity know’s their MAC guns aren’t very effective against warships, they instead replaced it with a reversed engineered covenant laser weapon this also meant that the under part is removed since they could probably place the battery on where the MAC gun used to be and then the central area that splits between the lower and upper deck is now where the laser comes out. This type of Frigate is meant to support Autumn-class and Strident-class warships. They disable the shields with laser fire and the bigger ships use their MACs
Homeworld 2 Ion Frigate
SHOOOOOP DA WHOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I always loved the look of the Ion Arrays myself, wich are essentially just Kusari raider ion frigates.
Oooooh wait wait! The Kadeshi multi beam ion frigates you meet in the nebula, theyre just gorgeous!
The Homeworld series has plenty of cool frigates. I like the Dervish multi-beam frigates from Cataclysm. Likely inspired by the Kadeshi design.
Homeworld is kinda misrepresented here.. maybe he never stumbled upon it which is a shame if that's the case. Easily in my top 5 sci fi of all time.
Glad you put in the Paris Class, beautifully iconic design.
I always thought of the Adamant as a mini-Galactica. Such a nice and well-fitting design.
Another favorite of mine that gets too little love is the Atlas carrier. As a dedicated carrier, escorted by Adamant frigates Minotaur gunships, it makes a lot more sense as a fleet's central ship than a jack-of-all-trades battlestar.
Without Deadlock's fleet size caps I would make the Atlas and Adamant the mainstay of every fleet, to be supported by other specialist ships as necessary.
Star Trek TOS: The Ultimate Computer had 5 Constitution Class ships. Doomsday Weapon had 2. The Tholian Web has the Enterprise and Defiant
TNG: Where Silence has Lease had a fake USS Yamato while Contagion has the real Yamato
DS9: Don't think it had more than one Defiant class on screen at anyone time but there were 4 ships of that design at least in the show. Defiant, Valiant, São Paulo, Mirror Defiant
Voyager: Makes sense to only have one Intrepid. It was alone.
Enterprise: First of its class but was shadowed by a future version in Season 3's "E2" and Colombia in season 4
How did Homeworld not make the list? Giant Banana floating through space anyone? But I do think Homeworld got some really nice ships. All Salvage Corvettes launch!
Great video, HOWEVER! How on earth can you miss out any of the frigates in Homeworld? Most of those a thing of beauty (with the exception of the ones that were infected in Cataclysm). HOMEWORLD!
UNSC Pre war frigate types:
Paris: Used for Anti Ship engagements.
Charon: Used for troop deployments and fleet escort duty.
Stalwart: Used for planetary defense, fleet escort duty, troop deployment and when in groups anti ship engagements.
Great list! Glad to see the Paris-class represented. Probably my personal all-time favorite Frigate design.
Also, shout-out to Red vs. Blue Season 10 for prominently featuring a Paris-class as a sort-of Hero Ship with a really great looking model and an awesome name ('Mother of Invention')
Plus a great use of the Halberd-class Destroyer as the Mother of Invention's nemesis, the Staff of Charon.
Homeworld, Multi-Beam Frigate.
One chassis with as many ion canons as you can cram into it, pointing all directions. It crushes fighters, it eats corvets, it beats fellow frigates, and a couple of them can easily punch above their weight class.
Star Trek showed other Constitution-class ships in TOS, like the USS Constellation in The Doomsday Machine.
And TNG had other galaxy class ships in the first few seasons at least.
@@adamkenway7308 The Yamato
I happen to love the Excelsior class... My ship in Star Trek Online, USS Gadolin is Excelsior class. The Excelsiors are just a great looking, solid, reliable design and I love that they use them so much...
As for the "hero ship" thing the original Star Trek had several episodes with other Constitution class star ships. The ultimate computer, the Doomsday Machine, the Omega Glory...
Next Generation had a few appearances of the Yamato, another Galaxy class star ship in the early seasons including Where Silence has Lease...
Really enjoyed listening to the piece on the Adamant while I was dumpstering a Saggitaron Adamant with 100 Viper MkII.
4:26 Star Trek Enterprise did it too with the NX-02 Columbia although even then the NX-01 and NX-02 were colored slightly differently.
A great video man but I would argue one thing, and I imagine a few others have done it as well, but Star Trek did show other ships of the same class on screen across pretty much all the shows. There was several occasions in TOS where one or more Constitution class vessels were on screen, TNG showed another Galaxy class in the USS Yamato, DS9 had multiple Galaxys, Defiants and one Intrepid onscreen, Enterprise had the Enterprise and Columbia bumping into each other alot in season 4 and Discovery had another Crossfield class show up early on.
I like the frigate designs from Homeworld. Enough beam frigates could burn down just about anything but a fighter swarm.
That was only in the original Homeworld. Subsequent games, including the remastered HW sadly nerfed fighters such that they wouldn't do evasive maneuvers when attacking.
Multi-beam frigates in Cataclysm can shred fighter swarms
Homeworld had some of the best frigates in sci-fi. It feels very weird not having any of them on the list, and instead some frigate from an obscure game wins? Such a weird choice.
Fully agree about everything you said about the Lancer and the Raider Corvette
5:37 the reason they didn't use this kitbash, and most of the others, is that they were mostly made for the battle of Wolf 359, and thus battle-damaged with a lighter for the graveyard scene, thus making them impossible to use afterwards. Of course, they could have rebuilt it, but that would've been more expensive than breaking out the old Excelsior model for just one more scene.
Star Trek had multiple episodes in TOS when other Constitution-Class ships were seen (including a 4-on-1 war game), TNG encountered the U.S.S. Yamato twice (as well as multiple sightings of the Galaxy-Class throughout the Dominion War), the Defiant was the first in a long line of warships, we even saw another Intrepid-Class being used as a diplomatic transport to Romulus during the Dominion War.
6:50 they called it the "corvette" class because who doesnt like a corvette, even hundreds of years in the future a corvette stingray is still awesome!
(4:48) I actually have one of the same kind of highlighter pens that they used on this kit bash. It's really old and I don't even think it works anymore, but I still keep it around just to show my fellow nerds. ;)
Dude. I complete agree about the Morrigan ship. I love it and it reminds me of a muscle car, like a dodge challenger. I also like #2 and #3.
I'm pretty sure the Lancer Class is in RotJ as a background ship during the Falcon flyby before the fleet jumps.
I'm afraid you are wrong. There had been some very low quality ships in the background on Fleet in jump scene but none of them was Lancer.
Love all the halo unsc frigates. Charon marine frigate, Paris, stalwart, hermes light carrier frigate.
As for the adamant, I remember having a brief time playing deadlock and I spammed these things to great effect
To celebrate this most excellent video, I used the GUPRS Spaceship expansion to design...MY OWN FRIGATE!
It's called the Endeavour class and it was designed by some hypothetical future UN that has discovered FTL travel midway through the design of the ship, so they took it and slapped a makeshift FTL drive on it via a deployable FTL "Tug" that sits in the hanger until it's needed for travel. The Endeavour class is 70 meters long and has a dry weight of 700 tons. It uses two .5G fusion torch drives for acceleration and 300 tons of hydrogen for reaction mass, with a spinal 3 gigajoule UV laser, 30 forward mounted 24 centimeter conventional missile tubes and 300 racked missiles. It's defenses are a full hull of hardened fullerine stealth armor with thirty 30 kilojoule gattling UV lasers for missile defense.
For utility, it's got a 200 ton hanger bay loaded with a 100 ton multirole corvette that carries 30 marines and 30 tons of cargo, with twin linked forward mounted 3cm railguns (400 round capacity each.) The next 100 tons are occupied by 9 Stinger Drones: Essentially they're 1.5 tons of hydrogen reaction mass strapped to five high thrust fusion torch drives and a single gattling 2.5cm railgun. They've got 350 kps of Delta-V, so they're fully capable of prolonged engagements *and* suicide run fast pass attacks, where they can add their relative velocity to their railguns.
And, finally, the FTL tug - which is slower than a dedicated jump drive (taking 500 minutes rather than 60 to fully charge.) however, the FTLT has one huge advantage over an internal jump drive: It can be deployed, then FTL jump itself in a mere 5 minutes (as it doesn't need to create a massive envelope around a 70 meter long ship.) Then it arrives back at a naval supply base, attaches to, say, a cargo canister of missiles or a reaction mass tank, then it can FTL back. It can resupply the Endeavour class with 100 tons of supply every 50 minutes!
...of course, since this is GURPS, I'd never want to actually *play* the game, but the design was fun!
And the insane thing? This ship is only 400,000,000 dollars, roughly. The GDP of a TL11 planet in GURPS, according to my calculations, can build 40 of them every year with 0.01% of it's military budget.
what number is the Ion Cannon frigate from Homeworld 1? if its not in the top 5
"The Corvette class is my second-favourite ship in The Expanse behind the one I made" - Daniel, 2019 (paraphrased).
I don't get what you meant about the Star Trek hero ships, they always showed different ships of the same class. The original series showed like 5 different Constitution classes, TNG showed the Yamato twice, Enterprise had the Columbia and even Discovery showed the Glenn.
Phil Rimmer there’s also the valiant and other defiant class seen after the dominion take ds9, it’s not common but you do see other types of hero class ships often.
Phil Rimmer Thankyou! I’ve made a similar comment above, in more detail - also accounting for an intrepid-class ship showing up in a DS9 episode 👍
Agreed. It's mainly the movies that follow the "no duplicated hero ship" rule. Trek on TV had plenty of duplicates if you looked for them.
You even see Admiral Ross's flagship, the Intrepid-class USS Bellopheron. Sure, it wasn't on Voyager, but it's a hero ship duplication nonetheless.
Nitpick: when summarizing the New Orleans, you list the torpedo pods as "2 ventral and 1 dorsal," when it should in fact be the other way around -- 2 dorsal and 1 ventral.
Check out the game Nexus: The Jupiter Incident for some cool ship designs. One feature I like is that there are no weapons that fire only forward (except the siege laser, but that one’s special). Instead, turrets are spread out all over the hull, and ships will rotate to bring them to bear.
You’ll probably like the Earth designs with rotating sections, main drives on both bow and stern (so you don’t have to flip over to slow down), thrusters firing off to change direction, and weapons usage: kinetics to damage hull, lasers to disable or destroy subsystems, and limited missiles/torpedoes for artillery shots. Native Earth ships don’t have shields, but most others do, so they have “energy shells” to bring down shields before kinetics and lasers come into play. Fighters are laser fodder unless you manage to disable the enemy flak grid first.
The Adamant is not only one of the best looking frigates, is also one of the most efficient and effective ships in Deadlock, I still used them in the late game, and used in tandem with a good Battlestar and some rangers can do wonders
The Lancer Frigate, the ship that could have saved the Empire…
- Change my mind.
It could have even defeated plot armour if used as the standard escort in numbers.
As Rey proved: Nothing can defeat plot armor.
If memory serves, it was a _good_ ship, but it had some limitations in-universe that kept it from being a truly _great_ one. Granted, they are the premier anti-fighter platform in the galaxy, and really shine when they can stick to that role, but no design is without limits and compromises, and the Lancer's were kind of glaring.
They were kind of slow for something designed to chase starfighters, which meant any kind of strung-out convoy could see Lancers get out of position quickly. They were also rather big at 250m long, which made them a turbolaser magnet for enemy capital ships. Between their advanced targeting sensors, fire control computers, and large crew complement, Lancers are expensive to run, too.
Could they have saved the Empire? Eh, probably not on their own. Their criminal under-use of Lancers is a symptom of larger problems infecting the Empire: for all their limitations, they were well-designed ships eminently suited for dealing with a fighter-heavy enemy, so it was largely a mix of inefficient bureaucracy, personal vendettas among the Admiralty, and organizational inertia working against projects like the Lancer (and TIE Defender) that would have made the Imperial Fleet more effective.
The Lancer is ridiculously overrated.
"Tripped over it's pacifism"
OOF...too accurate
Really like the Idris class frigate from Star Citizen (last version, not the old one),a long range frigate who can use a massive railgun and small ship bay.
The fact the frigate protects it's own ship bay seamlessly in his fuselage is great for visual and strategy.The idris can perform atmospheric flight with 6 rotating VTOL Thrusters.
The only weak point of the design of this ship is the bridge,who is above the top of the ship (connects by 3 arms+stairs/elevator).But still cool because of the great view and his own shield generator.
The reason why I love Expanse design is that no other Sci-Fi works incorporate artificial gravity in the same way as Expanse, or rather in the correct way as Expanse. All other designs gave the impression of a modern day maritime ship just flying in space, while Expanse truly build in that solid spaceship architecture in all of its design.
A proper ships without artificial gravity would likely put the floor towards the engines to provide some gravity during acceleration and braking (assuming the ship flips over to decelerate). I believe that’s the case with dreadnoughts in Mass Effect since they’re not meant to land on planets.
Artem Bentsionov I think it depends on which faction dreadnaught you are referring to. Most of them still looks like maritime ship though.
No other? Forgot about Babylon 5. Shame on you.
It is understandable with things like mass effect and halo, where they belong in shooter games already known for ship combat in space.
I broke out laughing when he said gravametric space gentlemen, lmao 🤣
When I saw Aliens, I thought of the Sulaco as looking like a giant rifle also. It is cool to see that others thought that too.
I thought the same!
I can't help but adore the scene in Halo reach when the frigate in atmosphere gets absolutely beaned by a covenant corvette. Crazy scene.
@Shadowfox 5481 ok yeah that makes sense because I remember the ship being absolutely massive and that didn't make sense being called a Corvette
Not sure what you mean by that rule, in Trek. I mean, I get what you’re saying. But to all intents and purposes, I believe this “rule” was broken by every single Trek series:
TOS - USS Constellation and Defiant, both appear as Constitution-class vessels in scenes with the Enterprise.
TNG - USS Yamato appears in “Where Silence Has Lease”; admittedly as an illusion. But that illusion still shared FX scenes with the Enterprise-D.
DS9 - Although only the USS Valiant applies, in this case, it couldn’t have been said to “confuse” viewers, when it was destroyed in its eponymous episode.
VOY - No other Intrepid-class vessels appear in the series. HOWEVER, one could remark that the appearance of the USS Bellerophon, in the DS9 episode “Inta Arma Enim Silent Leges”, might have risked “confusing” people who watched both shows at the time. But it didn’t.
ENT - Only the Columbia NX-02 applies, here. And of course, it specifically shared scenes with the Enterprise after its launch for purely dramatic effect.
DSC - The USS Glenn was very deliberately included, as the “sister ship” of the Discovery, not long after Discovery first shows up.
In conclusion, I don’t think showrunners in ANY iteration of Star Trek were as worried about “confusing audiences” as you’re claiming. Yes, appearances of identical class vessels were rare; I believe any responsible world-builder would want to show that Starfleet had a diverse range of ships, in all of these eras - even as also one gets to reap the benefit of using duplicate assets and sets, when such ships do appear. But respectfully, I believe this idea that showrunners “wanted to make each hero ship appear distinct and never show another vessel like it on screen” is nonsense.
I hope I haven’t misunderstood you, there.
The most Iconic ships in Halo are the Frigates the Halberd and the Spirit of Fire. Those are the ships I think of when Halo comed to mind
The Adamant class is ADORABLE, it's like a little baby battlestar.
I too love the Rocinante, but you also called it one of your top five corvettes, and now you're classifying it as a frigate. Also, We've seen in the show that only a handful of people can operate it, yet it holds its own against ships with much larger crews, and Holden even calls it a warship. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely an instant classic in ship design, but doesn't it fall into the "ship that can do everything trope"?
From a nomenclature standpoint, it kinda fills the role of both. During the Age of Sail, a corvette was a light warship designed for patrols and small engagements, and a Frigate was the next step up from a corvette, although it was more capable of working in a fleet setting as an escort and flank guard. In each case, however, a Corvette would generally lose to a Frigate in a fight, and a Frigate would be hashed by a Ship of the Line. Both types were revived during WWII as convoy escorts, although the Corvette was eventually superseded by the Frigate due to range and speed issues.
The Corvette-Class can work as both a light patrol vessel and warship (although the Morrigan-Class is probably more suited to the patrol role), but given that the Donnager-Class can carry them as escort vessels more puts them into a Frigate role.
@@draco84oz Well the Morrigan-class Patrol Destroyer isn't really an actual Destroyer but a slightly better armed Patrol Torpedo Boat. Other destroyers in the Expanse novels are always much larger and more heavily armed including keel-mounted railguns.
The Morrigan seems heavily suited for patroling shipping lanes and performing inspections than for full military actions against hostile fleets
It's a corvette class frigate I say it can be on both lists
"ship that can do everything trope" is called "hero ship" and he used the expression a number of times in the video.
Love your content man just have to call you out on the Star Trek hero ship thing. Conny's where everywhere in TOS. You see the Yamato in TNG and, the Odyssey in DS9 while TNG was still airing, as well as the Belleraphon on DS9 while Voyager was airing.
The Martian Corvette Class Light Frigtate is simply beautiful, and it has real coffee...
Vaygr Assault Frigate, Vaygr Heavy Missile Frigate, and the Hiigaran Ion Cannon Frigate looked really nice.
Homeworld ion cannon frigate, the Kushan variant before they got to Hiigara. Single purpose frigate that just looks amazing in combat especially with three or more focus firing a larger capital ship.
Yes! I was also hoping to see the HW1 Ion Cannon frigate here.
I would like to give an honorable mention to the Kushan and Taidan assault frigates from the 1st Homeworld. Love those things.
Yes! Was missing Homeworld here :) Though, I'd give it to the Ion Frigate, just for its huge role in revolutionizing your fleets.
Starfleet frigate at 5:51. "550 officers".
Geez! Who's going to do the work?
Yeah, a small slip.
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5. Hyperion class heavy cruiser (Babylon 5) while this is called a heavy cruiser in relation to the Omega or Warlock classes it's an escort.
4. Airone-class (Starblazers) A a sailor I've always loved the Japanese styled warships among the stars.
3. Miranda-class Heavy Frigate (Star Trek) like this a lot better than the kit bashed ships that came along later.
2. MCRN Corvette-class light frigate (The Expanse) I have to agree with everything you said about this little ship.
1. Consular-class frigate (Star Wars) A good all purpose ship from canon.
Replenishment ships next?
I know everyone loves to focus on the ships but the crews are mainly why i love the federation more then any other IP. Very intelligent problem solvers and even with setbacks, they come back stronger. People forget that others feared the federation so much, they banded them from developing cloaking technology. Even in TNG we got a insight into what might happen if they take the kid gloves off and go all out. Starfleed is a sleeping dragon that just wants to have fun flying and exploring.
BSG Deadlock did such a great job with its ship design. And it's just a damn good game on top of it.
Nice to see the New Orleans getting some well deserved love
there is a lot of footage and stuff going on a UNSC Frigate in Red vs Blue.. the UNSC Mother of Invention (including a fight against a Halbert class destroyer)
Great video as always. However, I must say, my heart jumped for a moment when I saw New Orleans frigate name. I thought for a second that you might bring in some not-so-known IP in the fray (Dropfleet/Dropzone Commander in this case), but no - it's Star Trek again. Well, maybe someday...
You really should do stuff from Homeworld and Freespace
Frigates are my all time favorite type of ship but none of my scifi favorites made it onto the list though three of my favorites from their respective navies did.
The Paris class, Corvette class, and Adamant class are my favorite ships from their fleets, and the latter two my favorite classes from their franchise but I have a bias against space warships which are either armed exclusively with missiles, torpedoes, and projectile cannons, or have all of their primary weapons consist of such types like the Congress class Frigate from Battletech. And as I've grown older and more certain that humanity will have energy weapons long before we have space battle fleets that bias has only grown.
My five favorite Scifi frigate classes in no particular order
Kyushu class Frigate (Battletech)
Shashore class Frigate (Star Wars Legends)
Hellion class Frigate (Rebel Galaxy)
Indomitable class Frigate (Renegade Legion)
Hunter class Frigate (Starfleet Universe and Starfleet Command I and II)
I just happen to be playing Battlestar Galactica Deadlock when I put this video on. The Adamant is definitely a nice ship.
The Roci every time! Note there is a new Season 4. Trailer dropped on the weekend with her new Paint job - including a far more detailed render and a significant upgrade that the book fans have been itching to see
Check out them Homeworld Frigate Space-frames. Gorgeous.
What's the difference between a frigate and a corvette? Have you ever considering doing a video about the different classes of ships and how they're different (corvette, frigate, destroyer, carrier, battleship, etc)?
My favorite frigate is the munificent-class star frigate from star wars, it has a good look and is very powerful for a frigate.
I fully agree with you on the diligence that was applied to the Deadlock game ship designs, I own it, it's one of my favorite games and BSG is my fav of all sci-fi IPs, the ships that were put into the game are gorgeous and definitely carry over the design tendencies of both the colonials and the cylons, but the butchery that was done to the Jupiter class... NEEDS to be corrected... hahaha
I personally love looking at concept art for starships from Star Wars, Star Trek, etc...
What's your favorite ones?
I agree the adamant class frigate makes up the bulk of my fleets on dead lock..
Star Trek had a a few times with same class ships. TOS had Doomsday Machine, TNG had the Enterprise watch the Yamato explode in season 1, ST:Enterprise had some pretty badass scenes with Columbia and a future Enterprise flying in close formation (respectively) with Enterprise.
"Where the frick is the Rocina... ah... there it is" *calms down*
I don't think Trek isnearly as strict about "no doubles of the hero ship" as you suggest. The TOS Enterprise encountered Defiant, Constellation, Lexington and a few other Constitution-class ships.
The Enterprise D hung out with the Yamato for a little bit in one episode.
I think DS9 showed multiple Defiants in some of the big battles. The final season of Enterprise featured the NX-01 alongside the newly launches NX-02 Columbia.
Love to see Battlestar Galactica ships hands down my favorite science fiction series with the expanse as a close second and Expeditionary Force as my third
I was always under the impression that the pods on New Orleans-class were sensor pods.
But yeah, she's one of those kitbashing done right.
The Adamant is truly amazing. Backbone of many a colonial fleet!
Star Trek has shown the same class as the hero ship a few times. The Yamato in TNG was another Galaxy-class ship. The Odyssey was also Galaxy-class even though by that time TNG had ended. We've seen quite a few Galaxy-class ships. DS9 also gave us the Bellerophon, an Intrepid-class ship that was shown while Voyager was still airing. And of course the Valiant, another Defiant-class ship also seen in DS9. Enterprise showed the Enterprise and Columbia, two ships of the same class, onscreen at the same time in close formation.
So yeah. Star Trek's given us the hero ship model as other ships numerous times. Sometimese onscreen at the same time, even.
I feel like, in general, strategy games are really good for sci-fi because they force the creation of a lot of new units where there are no existing units to fill certain gameplay roles.