Well, he's gonna agree with the federal court since they have more knowledge of what's going on. Conservatives are the ones to claim that they know what's going on better than anyone else; he's merely being humble.
“There are always two sides of a story.” A bit simplistic, but let’s go with that. Side one of story: Jeffrey killed and mutilated several men, and partially devoured their bodies. This is against the law and there should be consequences for his actions. Side two of story: It never happened. It’s all a big hoax. Okay, maybe some of it happened, but others have done bad things. It’s not against the law to have someone in your apartment. And it’s all a big hoax, just like the last time, because the police are out to get Jeffery. How do we know that Jeffery didn’t kill them in self defense. It’s not against the law to kill someone who is breaking into your house. Come on... where’s the evidence that Jeffery actually ate any of the dead guys? You personally can’t provide any evidence, only reports from the crooked mainstream media. The cops and prosecutors just hate Jeffery, so you can’t trust anything they say. You have to read alternative news; I read an article on Cannibal Outpost that Hillary Clinton killed and ate those men, because they had “the server.” Those guys were murderers, so Jeffery was just making a citizen’s arrest... and it made him hungry. Jeffery was just kidding when he said he’d do it again. You just hate Jeffery, because you’re a vegetarian. I’m so glad you took the time to read both sides.
"Say Obama and Biden did bad things, can Trump also do bad thing?" "No." Stopped listening. There is the viewpoint summed up. Trump can do no wrong because his predecessor did wrong. Great logic.
What he says next is clearing it up even more, he says the country has a long tradition of executive branch (President) investigating corruption. Completely brainwashed, this one.
Huh? Wtf? He had legal authority to hold aids that already been approved to force a foreign country to investigate his political opponents? Are you seriously saying that? You’re a shill. Actually look at the evidences instead of doing mental gymnastics. If he is concern he should have the DOJ (his own fucking people) investigated it, why solicit foreign power interference? Is this for real right now? Having foreign power under mining the integrity of our elections? This is insane. Comey( our own guy) was even hesitant to release information so close to elections and Trump just ask another country to dig dirt for personal gain and thats fucking ok? If Hilary were to Solicit Chinese government to investigate Trump, her head would be on the fucking stakes, but the fucking president of the United Stares asked fucking hold back APPROVED AIDS to use it as leverage for his own gains is ok?
Huh? “Presumption of corruption” is a standard reserved for concerns based on actual evidence, not *pure circumstantial* evidence. You’ve got that Obama admin concern, the Biden video, and the circumstantial Hunter Biden shit (cuz let’s remember, it’s not illegal to hire a wildly unqualified discharged drunk for a high level position in a private company); if that’s all the evidence they’ve got, after years of both US and Ukraine govs agreeing there’s evidence to warrant a major investigation, and after months and months of Trump goons hunting for actual evidence too? And they’ve only got Giuliani threatening to release some mystery evidence in the near future? Nah dude, there’s no way in hell Republicans would be cool with a Dem president withholding aid to an ally at war with Russia based on that weak of circumstantial facts. This is an insanely dangerous precedent to set, theres a reason he wants these investigations from this country at this time specifically. There’s a reason Congress *already determined* that Ukraine was straight enough to send $400 mill to. There’s a reason he demanded that no one in his admin/State Dept/Justice Dept testify to his innocence, or release documents or the original recordings to prove his innocence. There’s a reason he’s gonna lose his tax returns and Deutsche Bank cases after fighting tooth and nail to keep it all hidden. In the words of a wise meme: “He did that shit, guilty as fuck.” Gl to anyone betting on him being in office in a year, mark my mf words on that one
Huh? 1) “concerns of the Obama admin” those concerns were all very clearly about the optics, and the concerns never elevated to anything more because no evidence emerged that Biden did anything unethical. Feel free to cite quotes of the concerns of actual unethical behavior. This is circumstantial evidence. 2) “Joe holding aid until a prosecutor was fired” is also circumstantial evidence (and a false equivalency for anyone trying to compare this to what Trump did. I can think of 4 key differences right now). VP being ordered by POTUS to pressure the firing of a universally-regarded-as-corrupt-by-our-intel-community prosecutor, Shokin, is not evidence of wrongdoing by Biden. Circumstantial yet again. 3) “the payments to Joe and his son” idk what Joe payments you’re talking about, source would be great for that one. On his son, if you’re referring to his high salary as a Burisma employee, that’s not evidence of criminality. That alone would also be circumstantial evidence, hmu with that Joe payment link tho
“Ukraine is the most corrupt country, that’s why Trump wanted them to investigate Biden! So he could get an honest uncorrupt conclusion!” Doesn’t that make perfect sense?! lol
Duhh....maybe the corrupt Ukraine government would be less corrupt in their investigation than the totally corrupt and totally real deep state! Did you ever thing of that, because I’m sure trump considered that cause he is that smart. God leftys and libtards are so dumb.... I need to stop reading comments in the comment section and hurry up sending all my bank info to that Nigerian prince who emailed me.
“Ukraine is the most corrupt country, that’s why Trump wanted them to announce an investigation into Biden! So he could get an honest uncorrupt conclusion!” FTFY... Makes much more sense now.
Keith X sorry, I thought it was obvious my statement was supposed to be stupid. I made a dumb statement followed by how I was going to email all my bank info to a Nigerian prince.
Take note of how many times Destiny keeps asking what Trump has done to benefit regular people, foreign policy, etc...and doesn't get a straight answer.
7 million jobs booming economy least employment rate for African Americans Latino Americans and Asian Americans, exponentially decreasing illegal crossing at the border much more but I don’t know it off the top of the brain
@@wizardsyndicate5505 1. 7 million low wage jobs that don't pay enough to subsidize for the average family's expenses. 2. Low African unemployment rate doesn't mean anything if the jobs aren't paying living wages. How does stopping immigration at the border, benefit the vast majority of Americans? 78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Most Americans can't afford an unexpected $400 bill. The country isn't getting better at all. Nothing is changing for the everyday American. The only ones seeing the effects of Trump's policies(rn at least. His tax bill should be raising taxes on the middle class soon) is the upper class who are currently being treated as royalty
The improvements to the economy and unemployment rates can't reasonably be attributed to Trump. These factors were improving before Trump took office and continued to grow at more or less the same rate before and after Trump even passed his first piece of legislation. Trump not undermining a good trend is not evidence that he is the cause of that trend.
@@NormalAmericawithRobNoerr You have proper channels to do this; you don't have to use a foreign government. We can do public joint investigations between our intelligence agencies. You don't have the right as president to hold aid hostage. p.s. your voice gets higher as you squirm when you get cornered in this debate. Its kind of funny.
@@NormalAmericawithRobNoerr Sure, but you don't circumvent your DOJ by enlisting your own personal defense attorney to investigate. And there's a difference because Biden had backing from the E.U and anti-corruption advocates in Ukraine.
@@NormalAmericawithRobNoerr Let's say my nextdoor neighbor had his TV stolen from his house, and I suspect it's the neighbor across the street. If I dont notify the police or go through proper channels and decide instead to break into the house across the street, even if I believe I have good reason to, IT'S STILL BREAKING THE LAW. Do you understand?
Probably because all of their arguments are so stupid and presented in such blatant bad faith that it requires extraordinarily little effort to expose how dishonest and counterfactual every point is.
The worst thing about politics is listening to debunked republican nonsense roll out of hundreds of mouths, and watching them throw their hands in the air every time Information gets in the way .
It really is far more entertaining than real debate because you slowly fall into a daze of "these fucking Conservatives can't exist can they? For real?" and yes, they do, here they are completely unable to function a real conversation Maybe in 50 years we'll have real debates over policy, taxes, economics, but no, here we are where this is wildly more entertaining because it shines a light on what I think is far more important
@@phoenixpills Yeah my uncle and aunt are close minded conservatives its so painful... Not only can you not have a conversation about anything political. You cant even have a conversation about anything.. Its like they walk around looking at the ground...
Four positions he holds at once: 1) I don’t like deficit spending. 2) I care about the average American. 3) I like tax cuts that have disproportionately helped the rich. 4) I want to cut Social Security and Medicare. And also, he likes that things are getting shook up in Washington by electing a person who hasn’t directly done a single good thing these past three years that he can name. I wish that I could tell him to get real. What a buffoon.
"That's either here or there' or "Regardless" every time he is pushed on something. I swear this dude stood by nothing at the end of this conversation, and was just relying on gut feeling. H-e double hockey sticks this is just like talking with an average voter.
The majority of people agree with all of Bernies platform and his policies, but some (hopefully not too many) have been brainwashed to think that Bernie is somehow bad because he's "too radical" or "too left". Just like Obamacare for example, people are overwhelmingly supportive of the ACAs PROVISIONS with the sole exception of the individual mandate, yet the general approval of "Obamacare" has been historically not great, because people are too easily manipulated by labels. The problem with Bernie is labeling, not substance.
The most interesting parts of the video for me was whenever the conservative says "this is what the democratic believe". Because it might just be me, but I don't seem to hear to see democrats promoting any of those beliefs. An easy example of that is the exchange at 1:15 - 3:00. Are there any democrats that think that bribes are totally cool EXCEPT if you have ill intentions, then and only then are bribes a bad thing?
Well I mean the Dems didn't want to impeach Biden or Obama when Biden withheld already granted money to Ukraine. So it calls their intentions into question. I don't like Trump, like at all, but the fact that there is video evidence of Biden bragging about forcing Ukraine to get rid of an investigator or else they would not receive money the President already approved is worse in my opinion. Mainly because not a single dem gave a single F about it then.
@@CrestOfArtorias So I don't know too too much about the Ukraine situation with Biden so I am going to make a lot of guesses here. I am going to guess that Biden was officially and explicitly part of an authorized attempt to have the prosecutor removed. I am going to guess that non of what Biden did required him to break any rules. I am going to make a hypothetical example. Imagine if a hurricane wrecked Florida, and the governor of Florida or whoever asked the federal government for FEMA aid. Imagine if that governor was told that aid was authorized and scheduled to be released to florida, but then the president said that the FEMA aid is going to be frozen until the governor of Floridia sends the president a photo of the governor's genitals. If the president has no right to freeze that fema aid, the problem wouldn't be that the president asked for pictures of genitals! The problem is that the president acting beyond their limited scope and power. It's front page worthy if the president broke the law, let people suffer, in order to get pictures of genitals but the problem is that the president would be acting beyond their authority for their own personal gain. @no name Lobby is considered "fine" because their are rules and laws about how to do it. Not saying its an ethical or moral good thing, just that its legal. What trump is doing is different because he basically saying "Bribe me with something I am not supposed to have, or else I will do things I am not authorized to do and will prevent you from having the thing congress legally decided to distribute to Ukraine." That is a little different from lobbying.
"you can impeach a past president" WHAT THE FUCK???????? this guy has 0 knowledge on how government works i would of hung up the call right there because i would need to go to the hospital for whip lash for how hard i was jolted back by that.
I dislike the whole ”i don't really care about this impeachment” meme that Destiny keeps going with. I feel like it's insurance in case things don't work out. Just a feel here, but again, seems pretty weasley. Why else bring it up throughout the argument?
I know guys like that in real life: they are always so angry about politic, always supporting Trump, but never able to pinpoint, what they are so angry about, instead they are ranting about Obama/feminism/BLM.
Emily Campbell Yes, I used to like Hearing jimmy because I’m a Bernie supporter.. but jimmy is horrible, his show at some point became - tulsi great, Bernie won’t come on my show bad, and then just example after example of media lying, and Dems are bad/ pushing conspiracies.. I remember reading the comments on his videos of concervatives just saying” see jimmys one of the good ones, watch he will be supporting trump by next year” lots and lots of comments like that.
This dude is pathetically weak. We have no evidence of intent, and no direct quid pro quo. If you demand money of a teller at a bank at gun point and they dont give it to you, you dont get to say I'm innocent because I didnt get the money and It wasn't my intent to steal the money.
Man shut up. Whenever someone tries to have a moderate opinion, they get called a cuck or fencesitter. That just pushes people towards further polarization.
Especially considering that for most wrongdoing, the president can be voted out. The reason for impeachment was for a president who meddles with the mechanism that would vote him out. If this isn't impeachable, almost nothing is.
18:48 this didn't age well. Rob has been saying that Trump shouldn't be impeached due to inciting a riot but Obama should be impeached for something. 🙄😒
@@alexanderacheson2961 I saw his debate with NonCompete, but I thought he handled it badly. I lean towards left anarchism but I always try to find criticism of my positions. Has he done anything past the standard critiques of direct democracy?
@@quiensera9947 I think he's not talked about it very much but I was under the impression it's cus the few ppl he found to debate those positions cudnt answer the surface level questions so he cudnt get very in depth on it (might be wrong haven't watched in a while)
Apparently the black ledger was found in the burnt out remains of the fleeing presidents headquarters: and the signatures and info in it were verified enough by our intelligence agencies that they used it as evidence to execute the Manafort warrants. Sooooo idk why everyone says it’s not credible.
Would it really be so hard to link to the person speaking in the video descriptions? Unless you were present for the stream always have to guess who the person is in the conversation with these videos. It really wouldn't be that hard. Luckily in this case, the guy revealed himself to be a Republican fairly soon into the vid but not everyone Destiny talks to reveals themselves as quickly.
tax cuts didn't lead to job growth at all. It was for stock by-backs, and shareholder pay. There have been multiple new sources where CEOs of companies even said this. They didn't re-invest the tax cuts into their businesses. They used it for stock by-backs. They even said so themselves.
I think Trump meeting with Kim Jong-Un didn't really help make him seem more legitimate... Like, outside of North Korea it's very clear that no one is suddenly like "You know what, Kim Jong-Un met with Trump... Maybe he isn't that bad after all..." Maybe it'd matter for China... And I'm sure he'd use it as propaganda within North Korea, but I don't really think it'd be that much more convincing of anything compared to all the other propaganda present...
If you read a transcript of this debate you will see how one side is all substance and the other all abstractions, "whataboutisms," "fuck Obama and Biden," "The testimony has WAYYY more evidence than anything on Hillary." Etc. That's not how this works. You don't get to have a debate on Impeachment, and when substance doesn't go your way, "I don't really care about this impeachment thing. Can we talk about something else?"
Sean "Heavily against deficit spending and really want to cut the military budget" Hannity. I'd be willing to be you've never watched a video from Sean Hannity in full.
So waaaait, when it comes to immigrants coming to the US, then the GDP increase argument can be used, but it cant be used in this discussion? Why is that?
I dont understand the "Dig up dirt" take. If Biden did something illegal and he ask's for an investigation in the transcript to expose the illegal activity, Is that still considered "dirt"? I dont follow politics much so forgive me if I sound elementary
I really like this conversation. This guy has some great points, and actually has logical conclusions to the points he is presenting. This has been one of the best debates I've seen in quite a while from Destiny-tube. I have as much interest in Impeachment as Destiny, but coming into this without that knowledge was a negative on Team Destiny for sure.
But Obama.... D: I don't care about Obama (Higher voice): But Joe Biden D: We're not talking about Joe Biden (Even higher pitch): Obama D: That doesn't excuse Trump (Teapot whistle): that's neither here nor there, but Obama and Joe... D: We're talking about Trump (Dog whistle): But Obama and Joe... If your strongest defense is "but what about so and so" you know you messed up.
“I’m in favor of wherever things wind up.” Big brain take.
Nomad
Indeed, terrible.
Lol that kinda exactly what I thought about this and the Russia memes
Well, he's gonna agree with the federal court since they have more knowledge of what's going on. Conservatives are the ones to claim that they know what's going on better than anyone else; he's merely being humble.
Sofus Lyngholm or he knows it’s not possible to impeach him currently and he’s just holding out hope.
having strong opinions on stuff you dont know much about isnt a better take
Drama outdated
Socialist debates overrated
Long have we awaited
Conservatives *activated*
FUCK. YES.
Yet he shits on the most popular candidate on left.
this vid is like a throwback to the golden age of destiny three years ago
I think the n word debate was the golden age
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No way, incest age! He was getting attacked from every angle yet he fucked up everyone
I disagree, this guy seems much more cordial and although delusional willing to admit ignorance and being wrong in some situations.
''i liked him back when he was attacking people i dont like''
Skyrim Legend boo, shit take
This dudes debate style is "if I concede on every point, maybe he'll think we're on the same side and I can get him to agree with me on something"
Sounds hasanabi
Destiny was neither here nor there in this debate
Can’t listen to this manic cartoon voice moron anymore. The dipshits that swallow right-wing propaganda are intolerable.
Zed Mann that’s pretty extreme regardless there’s always two sides of a story you should always hear both sides before coming to your own opinion.
@@johnyouiel3247 Yea, I'll leave the story telling to the inquiry. I wouldn't change my opinion on this one till they rule it otherewise.
“There are always two sides of a story.” A bit simplistic, but let’s go with that.
Side one of story:
Jeffrey killed and mutilated several men, and partially devoured their bodies. This is against the law and there should be consequences for his actions.
Side two of story:
It never happened.
It’s all a big hoax.
Okay, maybe some of it happened, but others have done bad things.
It’s not against the law to have someone in your apartment.
And it’s all a big hoax, just like the last time, because the police are out to get Jeffery.
How do we know that Jeffery didn’t kill them in self defense. It’s not against the law to kill someone who is breaking into your house.
Come on... where’s the evidence that Jeffery actually ate any of the dead guys?
You personally can’t provide any evidence, only reports from the crooked mainstream media. The cops and prosecutors just hate Jeffery, so you can’t trust anything they say.
You have to read alternative news; I read an article on Cannibal Outpost that Hillary Clinton killed and ate those men, because they had “the server.”
Those guys were murderers, so Jeffery was just making a citizen’s arrest... and it made him hungry.
Jeffery was just kidding when he said he’d do it again.
You just hate Jeffery, because you’re a vegetarian.
I’m so glad you took the time to read both sides.
@@zedmann1680
Well that's was a bit hyperbolic and is definitely a false equivalence...
this guy sounds like he's gonna sell me vacuum on QVC.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
@iHost brooo i thought that was who this was. I was thinking "this sounds like that dude from armoured skeptic"
"the data I've seen" = the talking points I've seen in my bubble.
LuchaCabre INC ey chill bro dont out me like this pls i have a wife and kids
yep, the whole of the left
"Say Obama and Biden did bad things, can Trump also do bad thing?"
"No."
Stopped listening. There is the viewpoint summed up. Trump can do no wrong because his predecessor did wrong. Great logic.
What he says next is clearing it up even more, he says the country has a long tradition of executive branch (President) investigating corruption. Completely brainwashed, this one.
Huh? Wtf? He had legal authority to hold aids that already been approved to force a foreign country to investigate his political opponents? Are you seriously saying that? You’re a shill. Actually look at the evidences instead of doing mental gymnastics. If he is concern he should have the DOJ (his own fucking people) investigated it, why solicit foreign power interference? Is this for real right now? Having foreign power under mining the integrity of our elections? This is insane. Comey( our own guy) was even hesitant to release information so close to elections and Trump just ask another country to dig dirt for personal gain and thats fucking ok? If Hilary were to Solicit Chinese government to investigate Trump, her head would be on the fucking stakes, but the fucking president of the United Stares asked fucking hold back APPROVED AIDS to use it as leverage for his own gains is ok?
Yeah dude is a totally braindead trumpist
Huh? “Presumption of corruption” is a standard reserved for concerns based on actual evidence, not *pure circumstantial* evidence. You’ve got that Obama admin concern, the Biden video, and the circumstantial Hunter Biden shit (cuz let’s remember, it’s not illegal to hire a wildly unqualified discharged drunk for a high level position in a private company); if that’s all the evidence they’ve got, after years of both US and Ukraine govs agreeing there’s evidence to warrant a major investigation, and after months and months of Trump goons hunting for actual evidence too? And they’ve only got Giuliani threatening to release some mystery evidence in the near future? Nah dude, there’s no way in hell Republicans would be cool with a Dem president withholding aid to an ally at war with Russia based on that weak of circumstantial facts. This is an insanely dangerous precedent to set, theres a reason he wants these investigations from this country at this time specifically. There’s a reason Congress *already determined* that Ukraine was straight enough to send $400 mill to. There’s a reason he demanded that no one in his admin/State Dept/Justice Dept testify to his innocence, or release documents or the original recordings to prove his innocence. There’s a reason he’s gonna lose his tax returns and Deutsche Bank cases after fighting tooth and nail to keep it all hidden.
In the words of a wise meme: “He did that shit, guilty as fuck.” Gl to anyone betting on him being in office in a year, mark my mf words on that one
Huh?
1) “concerns of the Obama admin” those concerns were all very clearly about the optics, and the concerns never elevated to anything more because no evidence emerged that Biden did anything unethical. Feel free to cite quotes of the concerns of actual unethical behavior. This is circumstantial evidence.
2) “Joe holding aid until a prosecutor was fired” is also circumstantial evidence (and a false equivalency for anyone trying to compare this to what Trump did. I can think of 4 key differences right now). VP being ordered by POTUS to pressure the firing of a universally-regarded-as-corrupt-by-our-intel-community prosecutor, Shokin, is not evidence of wrongdoing by Biden. Circumstantial yet again.
3) “the payments to Joe and his son” idk what Joe payments you’re talking about, source would be great for that one. On his son, if you’re referring to his high salary as a Burisma employee, that’s not evidence of criminality. That alone would also be circumstantial evidence, hmu with that Joe payment link tho
“Ukraine is the most corrupt country, that’s why Trump wanted them to investigate Biden! So he could get an honest uncorrupt conclusion!”
Doesn’t that make perfect sense?! lol
Duhh....maybe the corrupt Ukraine government would be less corrupt in their investigation than the totally corrupt and totally real deep state! Did you ever thing of that, because I’m sure trump considered that cause he is that smart. God leftys and libtards are so dumb.... I need to stop reading comments in the comment section and hurry up sending all my bank info to that Nigerian prince who emailed me.
“Ukraine is the most corrupt country, that’s why Trump wanted them to announce an investigation into Biden! So he could get an honest uncorrupt conclusion!” FTFY... Makes much more sense now.
Lebeau Muni then leave the country if you think your own government is this tinfoil hat conspiracy. You’re a disgrace to civilization.
Keith X sorry, I thought it was obvious my statement was supposed to be stupid. I made a dumb statement followed by how I was going to email all my bank info to a Nigerian prince.
Lebeau Muni ah apologies. It’s hard to tell satire from a Trump supporter.
Take note of how many times Destiny keeps asking what Trump has done to benefit regular people, foreign policy, etc...and doesn't get a straight answer.
7 million jobs booming economy least employment rate for African Americans Latino Americans and Asian Americans, exponentially decreasing illegal crossing at the border much more but I don’t know it off the top of the brain
@@wizardsyndicate5505
1. 7 million low wage jobs that don't pay enough to subsidize for the average family's expenses.
2. Low African unemployment rate doesn't mean anything if the jobs aren't paying living wages.
How does stopping immigration at the border, benefit the vast majority of Americans?
78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Most Americans can't afford an unexpected $400 bill. The country isn't getting better at all. Nothing is changing for the everyday American. The only ones seeing the effects of Trump's policies(rn at least. His tax bill should be raising taxes on the middle class soon) is the upper class who are currently being treated as royalty
Skin Cancer not to mention-the rate of immigration over the mexican border has been decreasing for awhile now.
The improvements to the economy and unemployment rates can't reasonably be attributed to Trump. These factors were improving before Trump took office and continued to grow at more or less the same rate before and after Trump even passed his first piece of legislation. Trump not undermining a good trend is not evidence that he is the cause of that trend.
Depsteiny didn't kill himself in this debate
Slick
Destiny: facts
Republican: but Obama
That tan suit was the final straw. Drip was too strong.
Huh? Exactly! It was the tan suit.
@@ImDougDimmadome don't forget his choice of condiments, truly evil. We should impeach Obama immediately.
if someone commits a crime it automatically exonerates everyone who ever commits that crime again
The crime was actually holding aid as a ransom in exchange for investigating a political opponent, this distinction is CRuCiaL
@@NormalAmericawithRobNoerr You have proper channels to do this; you don't have to use a foreign government. We can do public joint investigations between our intelligence agencies. You don't have the right as president to hold aid hostage.
p.s. your voice gets higher as you squirm when you get cornered in this debate. Its kind of funny.
@@NormalAmericawithRobNoerr Sure, but you don't circumvent your DOJ by enlisting your own personal defense attorney to investigate. And there's a difference because Biden had backing from the E.U and anti-corruption advocates in Ukraine.
@@NormalAmericawithRobNoerr Your profile picture sucks ass. fascist
@@NormalAmericawithRobNoerr Let's say my nextdoor neighbor had his TV stolen from his house, and I suspect it's the neighbor across the street. If I dont notify the police or go through proper channels and decide instead to break into the house across the street, even if I believe I have good reason to, IT'S STILL BREAKING THE LAW. Do you understand?
Destiny was caught colluding in this debate
why is he so much more chill when debating conservatives
He used to be one. He knows conservative talking points.
Probably because all of their arguments are so stupid and presented in such blatant bad faith that it requires extraordinarily little effort to expose how dishonest and counterfactual every point is.
@BlackSphinxx I think you live in an alternate reality
The worst thing about politics is listening to debunked republican nonsense roll out of hundreds of mouths, and watching them throw their hands in the air every time Information gets in the way .
Dude said trickle down economics has been proven to work lmao
Destiny should do this more often, its obvious the fans want to hear him debate conservatives, ive missed this so much
I missed the endless conservative/republican conspiracy theories
It really is far more entertaining than real debate because you slowly fall into a daze of "these fucking Conservatives can't exist can they? For real?" and yes, they do, here they are completely unable to function a real conversation
Maybe in 50 years we'll have real debates over policy, taxes, economics, but no, here we are where this is wildly more entertaining because it shines a light on what I think is far more important
@@phoenixpills Yeah my uncle and aunt are close minded conservatives its so painful... Not only can you not have a conversation about anything political. You cant even have a conversation about anything.. Its like they walk around looking at the ground...
The cognitive dissonance show.
Four positions he holds at once:
1) I don’t like deficit spending.
2) I care about the average American.
3) I like tax cuts that have disproportionately helped the rich.
4) I want to cut Social Security and Medicare.
And also, he likes that things are getting shook up in Washington by electing a person who hasn’t directly done a single good thing these past three years that he can name. I wish that I could tell him to get real. What a buffoon.
Could this guy be anymore out of touch with reality? He definitely hasn't been listening to the same testimony as me. Sounds like a "ditto head"!
"That's either here or there' or "Regardless" every time he is pushed on something. I swear this dude stood by nothing at the end of this conversation, and was just relying on gut feeling. H-e double hockey sticks this is just like talking with an average voter.
Destiny defeats every single point conservative brings up, and conservative doesn't change his mind one bit.
You obviously didn’t listen to the debate. I love destiny but if that’s all you got from this debate your below average iq.
Shade Of Ape this is a comment section dawg not a summary section.
Destiny doesn't know about 90% of the things the guy mentioned. He even admitted he needs to do research. Do you people not watch the full debates?
It's so funny to listen to people talking about Ukraine, when they have no idea what is actually going on there.
now they do
This debate is INCONCEIVABLE
The majority of people agree with all of Bernies platform and his policies, but some (hopefully not too many) have been brainwashed to think that Bernie is somehow bad because he's "too radical" or "too left".
Just like Obamacare for example, people are overwhelmingly supportive of the ACAs PROVISIONS with the sole exception of the individual mandate, yet the general approval of "Obamacare" has been historically not great, because people are too easily manipulated by labels.
The problem with Bernie is labeling, not substance.
The most interesting parts of the video for me was whenever the conservative says "this is what the democratic believe". Because it might just be me, but I don't seem to hear to see democrats promoting any of those beliefs. An easy example of that is the exchange at 1:15 - 3:00. Are there any democrats that think that bribes are totally cool EXCEPT if you have ill intentions, then and only then are bribes a bad thing?
Well I mean the Dems didn't want to impeach Biden or Obama when Biden withheld already granted money to Ukraine. So it calls their intentions into question.
I don't like Trump, like at all, but the fact that there is video evidence of Biden bragging about forcing Ukraine to get rid of an investigator or else they would not receive money the President already approved is worse in my opinion. Mainly because not a single dem gave a single F about it then.
@@CrestOfArtorias So I don't know too too much about the Ukraine situation with Biden so I am going to make a lot of guesses here. I am going to guess that Biden was officially and explicitly part of an authorized attempt to have the prosecutor removed. I am going to guess that non of what Biden did required him to break any rules.
I am going to make a hypothetical example.
Imagine if a hurricane wrecked Florida, and the governor of Florida or whoever asked the federal government for FEMA aid. Imagine if that governor was told that aid was authorized and scheduled to be released to florida, but then the president said that the FEMA aid is going to be frozen until the governor of Floridia sends the president a photo of the governor's genitals. If the president has no right to freeze that fema aid, the problem wouldn't be that the president asked for pictures of genitals! The problem is that the president acting beyond their limited scope and power. It's front page worthy if the president broke the law, let people suffer, in order to get pictures of genitals but the problem is that the president would be acting beyond their authority for their own personal gain.
@no name Lobby is considered "fine" because their are rules and laws about how to do it. Not saying its an ethical or moral good thing, just that its legal. What trump is doing is different because he basically saying "Bribe me with something I am not supposed to have, or else I will do things I am not authorized to do and will prevent you from having the thing congress legally decided to distribute to Ukraine." That is a little different from lobbying.
Of course you dont hear them because this dude is a lying trumpist.
"you can impeach a past president" WHAT THE FUCK???????? this guy has 0 knowledge on how government works i would of hung up the call right there because i would need to go to the hospital for whip lash for how hard i was jolted back by that.
I dislike the whole ”i don't really care about this impeachment” meme that Destiny keeps going with. I feel like it's insurance in case things don't work out. Just a feel here, but again, seems pretty weasley. Why else bring it up throughout the argument?
UselessCritical I was disappointed by that myself.
UselessCritical whether he cared or not is irrelevant regardless
How many times do we have to tell conservatives that whataboutism doesn't exonerate a crime that was committed?
Everytime the dude pivoted to obama, hillary, biden I took a shot. My liver failed
Why is destiny's outro music so sad ;(
it accurately depicts what destiny feels during his debates
This is a discussion, not a fucking baseball stadium. Tone it down.
He's doing the Crowder vocal pitch rise thing
Bob Jenkins I can’t un-hear this now
Destiny is debating righties again!!!!! I’m so happy
Its good to see Destiny debating Rex from Toy Story
Why not debate crowder or Shapiro?
Fiddyy crowder only debates college students who don’t know as much about topics as destiny. #coldfeetcrowder
29:08 This guy is a crypto gnome
jesus fucking christ I wasn't expecting that
I fcking hate you for being right.
He is like a good and honest version of Alex Jones
If someone is impeached can they run again ?
I know guys like that in real life:
they are always so angry about politic, always supporting Trump, but never able to pinpoint, what they are so angry about, instead they are ranting about Obama/feminism/BLM.
Yep. Trump good any left leaning person is satan himself.
I think they are just actually angry about Obama/feminism/BLM
This sounded like the IRL version of Charlie Kelly in front of his conspiracy board.
THERE IS NO PEPE SILVIA
This video should be titled : "A lesson in whataboutism"
It was nice of Desteny to use whataboutism all video long just to so we could learn what hypocrisy is too.
Destiny got impeached in this debate.
estiny got impeached in this debate.
this joke isnt funny anymore....
@@YemYum whether it is or isn't, it's not going away anytime soon.
Destiny wants nothing in this debate.
How is extorting a foreign government for assistance in one’s upcoming political campaign NOT for personal gain!?!
It's annoying hearing the Tim Pool's of the world dance around the only salient point of these impeachment hearings.
This guy knows absolutely Nothing.
One of the best destiny debates, please debate again with this guy. Less debates about psychology and sociology more politics please!
I don’t know why Wes was so mad this whole video
>Trump good.
>But why is Trump good?
>Uhhh... Trump good.
Destiny got what abouted in this debate
What happened to your other vid on jaystation?
Conservatives looooooove jimmy dore, and I don’t even like him anymore .
wait really lol? I'm guessing it's because he shits on the democratic party? he's pretty far left, but he's the definition of "morally lucky"
This guy sounded like every Jimmy Dore fan I have spoken with. When he said he was a Republican, I did a double take.
Emily Campbell Yes, I used to like Hearing jimmy because I’m a Bernie supporter.. but jimmy is horrible, his show at some point became - tulsi great, Bernie won’t come on my show bad, and then just example after example of media lying, and Dems are bad/ pushing conspiracies.. I remember reading the comments on his videos of concervatives just saying” see jimmys one of the good ones, watch he will be supporting trump by next year” lots and lots of comments like that.
Who is this guy? Billy Mays?
Destiny asked a foreign power to inivestigate his political opponent in this debate
Well it definitely favored destiny in this debate.
I really like that dude, I want to check out his channel, but I can't find any info on him. Anyone know who he is?
Wow, this guy is nuts
This dude is pathetically weak. We have no evidence of intent, and no direct quid pro quo. If you demand money of a teller at a bank at gun point and they dont give it to you, you dont get to say I'm innocent because I didnt get the money and It wasn't my intent to steal the money.
Man shut up. Whenever someone tries to have a moderate opinion, they get called a cuck or fencesitter. That just pushes people towards further polarization.
Isely Mills “stop being reasonable because it hurts my feelings” fuck off
22:17 so he's saying he doesn't care about the constitution
Especially considering that for most wrongdoing, the president can be voted out. The reason for impeachment was for a president who meddles with the mechanism that would vote him out. If this isn't impeachable, almost nothing is.
Destiny got held to a double standard in this debate
I would love to hear what exskillsme has to say about this.
Why do these trumpers and conservertives always yell, wtf
"If I'm louder, it must mean I'm right!"
to be fair, Hassan and mike yell louder than this dip head.
eh, destiny yells a fair bit too; its usually justified, but still yelling nonetheless
"We know that (something we don't know)" That's his schtick. lol
This guys only defence is Whatabout the other guys.
18:48 this didn't age well. Rob has been saying that Trump shouldn't be impeached due to inciting a riot but Obama should be impeached for something. 🙄😒
Has Destiny ever uploaded onto TH-cam any of his opinions on Chomsky or anarchism as an ideology?
You wouldn't want to watch that.
He's talked about anarcho communism not sure if they're the same or similar
@kong kong yup but aren't most of the topics/motions he has to debate against
@@alexanderacheson2961 I saw his debate with NonCompete, but I thought he handled it badly. I lean towards left anarchism but I always try to find criticism of my positions. Has he done anything past the standard critiques of direct democracy?
@@quiensera9947 I think he's not talked about it very much but I was under the impression it's cus the few ppl he found to debate those positions cudnt answer the surface level questions so he cudnt get very in depth on it (might be wrong haven't watched in a while)
What about destiny in this debate
More debates with brain dead conservatives, please. I live for this. We need to find the next Tonka Saw.
it's good that we bailed out the banks we had to. we should have prosecuted more of the people responsible though
This guy sounds like the guy Rachel was having a date with when she realized she was in love with Ross.
I think if destiny had at least watched fiona hill's testimony he would've been able to handle this guy a bit better
Lispin Lunatic delusional
Apparently the black ledger was found in the burnt out remains of the fleeing presidents headquarters: and the signatures and info in it were verified enough by our intelligence agencies that they used it as evidence to execute the Manafort warrants.
Sooooo idk why everyone says it’s not credible.
@@lispinlunatic9205 I cant tell if you're actually insane or memeing
Destiny got "well, i mean" in this debate.
Is this the pilot to the new season?
Holy fuck I’m only 28 mins in & this guys voice is making me run a cheese-grater over my head
You know it's going to be an interesting convo if steve opens with "hello hello"
this thumbnail was up close and personal in this debate
Would it really be so hard to link to the person speaking in the video descriptions? Unless you were present for the stream always have to guess who the person is in the conversation with these videos. It really wouldn't be that hard. Luckily in this case, the guy revealed himself to be a Republican fairly soon into the vid but not everyone Destiny talks to reveals themselves as quickly.
what word is used most when you talk about trump's crimes?
obama
~70:10 - The countries that are directly threatened by Russia pay the 2% of their annual budget to self-defence.
This guy's voice is ...is he voice actor? Episode 21 Dexter Laboratory.
This debate made me want to give my teacher homework.
tax cuts didn't lead to job growth at all. It was for stock by-backs, and shareholder pay. There have been multiple new sources where CEOs of companies even said this. They didn't re-invest the tax cuts into their businesses. They used it for stock by-backs. They even said so themselves.
Is this guest capable of having a conversation without yelling at his conversation partner the whole time?
Destiny should talk to kyle about bernie
I think Trump meeting with Kim Jong-Un didn't really help make him seem more legitimate... Like, outside of North Korea it's very clear that no one is suddenly like "You know what, Kim Jong-Un met with Trump... Maybe he isn't that bad after all..." Maybe it'd matter for China... And I'm sure he'd use it as propaganda within North Korea, but I don't really think it'd be that much more convincing of anything compared to all the other propaganda present...
If you read a transcript of this debate you will see how one side is all substance and the other all abstractions, "whataboutisms," "fuck Obama and Biden," "The testimony has WAYYY more evidence than anything on Hillary." Etc.
That's not how this works. You don't get to have a debate on Impeachment, and when substance doesn't go your way, "I don't really care about this impeachment thing. Can we talk about something else?"
destiny mined uranium in this debate
Ded😭
This guy is spewing Sean Hannity’s talking points Word for Word. Go back to your demagogue Master.
Sean "Heavily against deficit spending and really want to cut the military budget" Hannity. I'd be willing to be you've never watched a video from Sean Hannity in full.
So waaaait, when it comes to immigrants coming to the US, then the GDP increase argument can be used, but it cant be used in this discussion? Why is that?
Imagine arguing Trump impeachment with Dan vs.
I dont understand the "Dig up dirt" take. If Biden did something illegal and he ask's for an investigation in the transcript to expose the illegal activity, Is that still considered "dirt"?
I dont follow politics much so forgive me if I sound elementary
You answer your own question. You say “if Biden did something illegal..”. Well there is no proof he did, so obviously that is the problem.
@@wisetrollman So digging up dirt is when it was questionable and an opponent then "digs" into it and discovers illegal action?
@@NormalAmericawithRobNoerr I still dont get what "digging up dirt" means tho
@usucdik Yeah sure im not here to argue about that but whats the "dig up dirt" notion? Whats it mean exactly?
@usucdik How is info dirt? He was looking for illegal activity?
I really like this conversation. This guy has some great points, and actually has logical conclusions to the points he is presenting. This has been one of the best debates I've seen in quite a while from Destiny-tube. I have as much interest in Impeachment as Destiny, but coming into this without that knowledge was a negative on Team Destiny for sure.
This guy sounds like a Melvin
Levvy
Melvin from PA
Destiny got BITCH’D in this Debate
Audio levels were shit in this debate.
But Obama....
D: I don't care about Obama
(Higher voice): But Joe Biden
D: We're not talking about Joe Biden
(Even higher pitch): Obama
D: That doesn't excuse Trump
(Teapot whistle): that's neither here nor there, but Obama and Joe...
D: We're talking about Trump
(Dog whistle): But Obama and Joe...
If your strongest defense is "but what about so and so" you know you messed up.
Destiny debated a conservative in this debate
There was a lot of leaky shit in this debate
Destiny needed spend less time eating and more time debunking Cleetus from GA’s conspiracy theories like Crowdstrike and the physical server bullshit.
He’s not the worst guest.
Get him on the Big Brain Podcast.
He should moderate a Tree of Logic debate.