Yea, I also heard people in his community used to watch Hasan because he was chill and have disproportionate body/head ratio. What a really supportive community❤
Agree, he’s a fkn clown. Would argue with the wall if he walked into it and you betchya, after a few hours of him speaking to himself, he’d walk away thinking he won the argument. Destiny is an entertaining debater, but pretty sure he’s never won one. Absolute flop.
Steven saved me I was so (becoming) far right then Steven appeared on Fresh and Fit and I thought he was very logical and he changed my mind on a lot of things. I was a conspiracy theory nut and now I've come out of the rabbit hole. Thanks Steven
There’s a decent chance I would still be a far left chapo trap house fan if it weren’t for Destiny (the fact that leftists had the dumbest takes on Ukraine also helped push me in the right direction tbf tho)
Conservatives only have themselves to blame. They've created an environment where you can say any insane and unhinged BS, and not only will you survive, you'll thrive. Destiny just took that playbook and is trying to use it in a way that still adheres to factual reality. We need more like him.
Number 1 thing Destiny does is match energy, if you know nothing about him, or have only heard about him just keep this in mind and everything makes sense. He matches energy and he is not the aggressor.
So true. He can go into the trenches and argue with a variety of different people. If they're respectful he'll also reciprocate it. And if they're not then fck it he goes in. But it's funny how people portray only one side
All good communicators do. Subconsciously, the person you're talking to generally feels at ease and comfortable when you mimic their overall body language and demeanor.
I know man. Those court documents for the Dominion vs Fox case should've been the end but MAGA truly only seems to care about Trump being the president. As long as you tell MAGA what they want to hear when you are on your platform then you are good.
Destiny inted my masters promo by perma-diving with Tristana jump and dying 10 times before 10 minutes while typing "watch me watch me" in all chat, but he's a cool dude.
@@a1-user Why would he ban Twitch? It's a fine matchup for Tristana and Twitch wouldn't benefit as well from inting as other matchups like Caitlyn or Aphelios. I can tell you're hard stuck silver, maybe even bronze with a suggestion like that.
I think, if I'm being charitable, is the right is really good with having a lot of different people out there debating, even if they're completely crazy, whereas the left a lot of the time seems scared of confrontation. That's the whole reason why Shapiro rose to fame is because he was out there debating, even if it was just against college kids, when no one else was. We're definitely starting to see that switch around now.
@@kingsleebrigade6714 Yeah, 2016 was wacky because most of the left weren't interested in debating anything, which is what gave the right power, they were willing to engage with everything. It's also why Vaush and Destiny gained popularity, they were the first lefties to be willing to engage the ideas that were festering.
Explaining a statistic about something and using a statistic to explain something are 2 very different things. Destiny doesn't use these random facts out of context, every argument he made not only did he offer the statistic to back it, he explained why they actually apply.
Destiny does use random facts out of context. If something doesn't align with his beliefs he doesn't use it. Even the Tucker/Sydney Powell thing. He said on air that she had zero evidence. But he never says that apart of his tucker/dominion rant because that context ruins the vibe.
@@Evan_Infinite he still proported fake allegations and didn't pushback against the claims with 0 evidence that he knew was false. Tucker has 0 credibility and is just a treasonous Russian propogandist
Man this was a really entertaining and interesting interview. He's spot on about the difference in standards between the two parties. The fact that people like Ben Shapiro can acknowledge what Trump tried to do in the 2020 election and still support him is insane! If Obama did that, not only would the Democrats very likely drop support for him, but the Republicans would rightly go NUTS and ring the alarm bells for decades at every opportunity.
Bingo. And there's the double standard of the party, Americans and media. Trump gets a pass, gets graded on a curve while everyone else has to be near perfect.
There has been a few recent disgraceful events in the democrat party in regards to democracy. Bernie got screwed. The appointment of a candidate against the will of the people via primaries. That's just two irrefutable points. But the list goes on. The pearl clutching only works in your echo chamber.
Just starting viewing this and Shane says, "What the right does well is debate." Of course they are good at debating when they are making up facts along the way.
@@atetraxx amateurs don’t enforce any rules, so yes in an environment where there is lax enforcement, debaters can just focus on how they are seen in the moment rather than being logically consistent. Leftist amateurs who just obsess over logical consistency miss the forest for the trees. They allow right wing influencers to dictate the entire conversation, which is more important.
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And on top he lacks a personal grand narrative that like a demanding audience might funnel his opinions in a direction. His main targets of attention are constantly changing and evolving.
Shane and Gavin are such an interesting duality. Two counterculture kids starting an enormous media project together, hitting it big, one growing into a compassionate dad type, and the other becoming a raging alcoholic alt-righter.
As someone that lives in North Carolina, specifically an area affected by hurricane Helene, I can confirm that the lies about FEMA not being here were BS. There were local and federal folks here (that I saw with my own eyeballs. To be fair, I did not attempt to touch them) immediately helping out. Carry on.
its insane that people will pretend the things they can see with their eyes arent real. but can make baseless assumptions and present them as facts. obviously fema was sent out for hurricane relief. i dont know why the right tries to create blatant lies to discredit someone and even more surprised people believe it.
YES BUT you are telling from a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE you are NOT teling/saying from a MAJORITY/BIGGER LOOK. More simplified you are talking about a tree instead about the woods. \For example in my town the minister from then ruling party came to our town that was hit with devastating floods BUT he and the responce team came ONLY TO CERTAIN PART of the town (part where majority voted for that ministers party) BUT in reality RESCUE TEAM SCAME MORE IN NUMBERS AND MORE SWIFTLY SOLY BCS OF THAT RATEHR THAN BEING ON A LARGER SCALE AS IT SHOULD BE. ONLY AFTER A WEEK OR SOit satrted to be come on a more vwi9der/bigger scale. YOU CANT PUT YOUR OWN PERSONAL SIGHTING/FEEING AND CLAIM THAT IT WAS IMMIDIETLY SAME EVERYWHERE ELSE/CANT POTRAY IT AS SUCH.
are you denying that FEMA skipped contacting people with trump signs in florida? you denying that people were denied assistance? what kinda clown are you.
@kenneth.topp. If you think fema avoided people with trump signs you should probably just stay in your shelter you arent wanted in society. First it was democrats somehow stopping fema and now they just avoid trumpers. You guys are disgusting with misinformation
That's a good point actually. Humans isn't really a truth seeking creature cuz our brains. Our human nature care more about self satisfactory truth than "trusting the expert"
That's not just a good point. That's THE point, you can ask almost any person that voted why they voted and it will be a truth seeking response, seriously try it, humans think they are too smart for their own good, anytime you try and explain this to them they just call it pseudo-science, its insane, there has to be a huge reform of the education system if this isn't something that is in people's minds. The consequences of not teaching basic critical thinking skills in this country are becoming increasingly worse
The liberal/conservative quote they attributed to Winston Churchill was actually a quote from Paul Addison of Edinburgh University. Churchill has so many quotes falsely attributed to himself it's fucking wild.
@@wolfwoodnot really, but wouldn't you be mad if you said something profound enough to have people quoting it several decades later yet always have someone attribute it to someone else and not be corrected?
Alternative media definitely has an unearned sense of credibility, generally speaking. There is less chance of them being held accountable for wildy ridiculous or inflammatory reporting or opinions.
This is the quintessential problem we are currently having. Even though people joke about "why would you lie on the internet" they still believe every single AI Instagram reel set before them and every single podcast episode of a conspiracy theorist while simultaneously losing trust in mainstream media because "they" provably lied once or twice. While of course completely ignoring the absolute lack of accountability in alternative media.
It's like how people don't trust pharmaceuticals despite them being tested heavily, but trust random claims on supplements when theres zero oversight or evidence for them. People find evidence and truth boring, but they find fake big claims exciting.
@@m.j.e.5245 what conspiracies does Destiny espouse? Im not a fan of the guy 100%, but he is making sense and able to explain his positions with clarity about 95% of the time
Makes sense, guy seems incredibly ill informed. Vague theories on Covid without providing any actual facts, ‘they could send video from the moon in 1969 but we can’t today’ …uhhh ok VICE hit me up lol or someone else who can actually present an argument, a fact pattern to discuss issues on at least. He’s allowed Destiny to get his ideas over without looking like a muppet so that’s positive anyway
Why doesn’t he try to do a real debate now that he’s gone on the offensive? He’s got the zeal down, but has gotten worse at explaining his own points because he’s so focused on attacking others or framing the debate.
As a Brit I’ve never heard of Shane Smith before and apart from some of his covid views he appears to be a very reasonable chap. He’s very calm, enquiring and relaxing to listen too.
I didn't like him, he seems ignorant on many topics, comes across as spineless with opening every question with "I'm not trying to debate you" dude just ask the fucking question. And he rambles nonsense before asking
Destiny needs to go on more long-form podcasts. Most of what people see of him are these short clips of him owning or getting owned in debates. If people hear him talk, they wouldn’t have this negative impression of him
The supermarket Tucker was talking about is nit Russian. It’s a French chain supermarket Auchan (Ашан). It exists it many European countries including in Ukraine. Everything in that supermarket including the bread theybhave on site, the shoping cart sustem and the escalators that block wheles are part of the Franchise. Lastly the prices are higher than in Poland depite peopele making way more money in Poland. Tucker does what US sellout journalists did in Soviet days.
we also have something similar with the shopping carts from Aldi, a chain that's in america (not like tucker would know, he's never lived like an american)
The left dont debate they just lie and morally grandstand. There are more prominent debaters on the right who actually use facts and logic instead of bad faith emotional arguments.
if you had to list a bunch of good political debaters, more right wingers will pop up. not because the positions they defend are better, but because the woke left abandoned the debate format.
If you lie in a debate and win, you still win. Just because the opponent lied doesn't mean that he's not a good debater. If you can't come with enough facts and put these facts out in a way where you come out on top and people understand. Then you're not a good debater.
cause he gave him criticism years ago. since u already heard what hasan has to say about destiny, search for destiny talking about their past history together and you'll have a fuller picture
Destiny is great. My favorite thing about him is that if he is wrong on something he has no problem admitting it, correcting it and moving forward. He also explains his work, like how he came to the answer that he did. He also does research on stream. He has also been on the ground politically active.
1:56 The LITERAL opposite. Being loud, doing the "I'm calm while you yell" attitude, creating 'gotcha' moments is not debate, it's appealing to mass stupid people. Good debate is rationality supported by evidence.
Destiny is the actual king of common sense if you truly listen to him. Also if dead internet theory interests yall go watch the video "Destiny's schizo arc". its an insane example of it live on destiny's stream.
This was an amazing interview, props to Destiny and Shane. I feel like if intelligent or just even open minded people sat down for/listened to conversations like this half the problems wouldn't exist in this country. We've opened Pandora's Box of post-truth with things like social media and idk what we do about it.
I’ve really come to like Destiny. Especially his humility - sometimes he’s not sure or needs to talk something through, and he does just that instead of just talking louder.
Destiny changed the way I understand media and come to conclusions, I used to be a little bit idealogically captured by my world views until I actually deep dived into my beliefs and why I believed them to be true, it wasn't always a fact based analysis. To say he's changed my mind on a number of topics would be an understatement.
Shane wasn't there right at the beginning. It was Suroosh and Gavin, then they brought Shane in to run marketing and sell ad space. Gavin wrote 80% of the articles. He used to make up names that sounded like "ethnic" or female and tried to write articles from those perspectives. Then in 2007 or so, the New York Times interviewed Gavin, and he basically tried to be as offensive as possible. People were offended, and Suroosh and Shane bought his share of the company for 5 million, I think.
I’ve always heard Destiny is some screaming far left crazy person but oh my gosh this isn’t all of what I expected. I’ll definitely check out more of his content, thanks for this video! Would love to have him and others like this on more!
The fact that Shane has to ask why Tucker really left Fox News having assumed that it was because of advertisers is everything that is wrong with legacy journalists: laziness. People like Shane aren’t evil or malicious. They’re just lazy. They’re not just lazy in their action, they’re lazy in their thinking.
18:00 this is why a lot of pro players in sports/esports are NOT coaches, this is why coaches exist. Just because you are good at something does not mean you can teach it/analyze it. Same with teachers, you can be an amazing math wiz, but that doesn't mean you can accurately teach it to someone, especially if you are many levels more advanced, youd take for granted the things you view as obvious and either overwhelm someone, or completely skip over something. Also, shouldn't be surprising the party of diversity appears diverse even in opinions, compared to the trump party.
Eyy, Shane Smith, I've watched his North Korea documentaries a thousand times. "it's just matter, it's fried matter" has been stuck in my head for 12 years now
Not for this particular video, but I’m really enjoying this new “revival” approach Shane Smith is taking for Vice News. Not that they’ve ever really stopped uploading content on TH-cam, but after the whole “corporate” merger they did, & then the whole bankruptcy thing, everyone thought Vice was done for, including myself, but I’m really glad to see Shane taking back the “reins” so to speak, for Vice News again. I’ve always loved their stance & the way they approach news/ journalism as a whole. Or maybe it’s just the “alternative” media approach I like, but either way, really glad to see Vice making a comeback & giving a big middle finger to “Big Media” & to everyone else who 💩 on Vice when they were on the decline! 💯💯
This guy Shane Smith is far more conspiratorial than he wants to admit. It’s still taboo for him and he knows it is a stain on your character when the world eventually settles. People who are not conspiracy theory believers don’t need to justify it or stammer over their words to constantly find the correct words to get you to express your understanding they are not conspiratorial. People wanting to fit in so badly they seek conspiracies
Shane Smith is a great journalist (and interviewer), who looks to have genuine curiosity for the pulse of the country. Thank you Shane! Makes me re-think my opinion on Vice News. Realistic/practical, down to earth --- and winning the final not-a-debate debate:) lol
Same I used to dislike him and saw him the same way as many of the hater comments describe him until i took some time to listen to him. I do find myself disagreeing with things he says before quickly deleting whatever mental comment I had brewing in my head because he provides great factual and logical arguments on many things.
Tim Pool was kind of ripping on this guy today so out of curiosity, I looked up his name and found this video. I was preparing to hate Destiny, but so far he seems really level headed and intelligent. I kinda turned into a raging Trump humper over the past few years so it's cool whenever I can find a little bit of balance
Tim pool is not the guy you want to be watching if you want to understand the world around you, people like destiny are not perfect but put way more work into grounding out everything they are saying with good reasoning and statistics, and it can't be understated how important that is
Great interview. I don't particularly agree with Destiny, but what he says is compelling and makes sense. Not an American, but its nice to keep an unbiased perspective of the leader of the free world
This was a great discussion. I've been on the fence about destiny, but that's more about me just not looking for new Internet characters in my life and therefore dismissing him One thing i appreciate about Shane is for example, when Destiny started talking about the most taboo topic of our time, the 19 thing, Shane didnt do the thing i hate most which is to immediately just put up a wall by laughing and saying, "You really believe X??? Omg. Bro. You're so lost" and then any conversation that could have been had is over before it starts
Isn’t this the guy that started Hasans’ career?
Yea, I also heard people in his community used to watch Hasan because he was chill and have disproportionate body/head ratio. What a really supportive community❤
not only did he started hasan career he also spawned vaush, also is the founder of twitch politcs and the first streamer to use tts
Yes sir
To his great regret yes lol
@@erikmajestic8044 OOF 😂 i would be embarrassed to be tied to those people, especially Destiny
If that first question had been “do you love black people” I would have lost it
Destiny would have defended using the N word. He's a clown
Sadly, I have to agree with you. @@ThePulaskiPumper
What's wrong with the "n-word"? @@ThePulaskiPumper
Agree, he’s a fkn clown.
Would argue with the wall if he walked into it and you betchya, after a few hours of him speaking to himself, he’d walk away thinking he won the argument.
Destiny is an entertaining debater, but pretty sure he’s never won one. Absolute flop.
@@ThePulaskiPumper why you have to ruin something funny with soy
Didn't hate this conversation. Maybe my conception of destiny was misconstrued.
You must have never watched more than a few short clips of Destiny to have come to that conclusion. Misconstrued indeed.
Need more people like you to admit stuff like this. No matter what the point. I thought something, gave it a chance and now I think differently.
I think Elon sees each of his 18 kids more in a year than Destiny does his 1 kid.
most people who hate destiny usually just see clips or judge based on what his biggest haters say. the daliban welcomes you
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Destiny talking about Tucker Carlson is SPOT ON 🎯
Steven saved me I was so (becoming) far right then Steven appeared on Fresh and Fit and I thought he was very logical and he changed my mind on a lot of things. I was a conspiracy theory nut and now I've come out of the rabbit hole. Thanks Steven
✊️ nice to hear bro... Stay safe
There’s a decent chance I would still be a far left chapo trap house fan if it weren’t for Destiny (the fact that leftists had the dumbest takes on Ukraine also helped push me in the right direction tbf tho)
That's awesome! Good on you! 🤘🏻
He changed me too. From conspiracies
@@Acidlibu can still be a leftist and disagree with leftists, part of being a leftist is thinking the people on ur side are stupid lmao
Remember guys, Destiny's career has supposedly "died" like 5 times this year, funny how he still gets appearances like this huh?
What do you mean??
Or what are you trying to say
This is the first time I've heard about him. The left doesn't seem to like him either, I heard he's got a $100k bounty on his ass.
it really is funny. no idea how or why
People believe what they want to believe and see what they want to see.
Conservatives only have themselves to blame. They've created an environment where you can say any insane and unhinged BS, and not only will you survive, you'll thrive.
Destiny just took that playbook and is trying to use it in a way that still adheres to factual reality. We need more like him.
Number 1 thing Destiny does is match energy, if you know nothing about him, or have only heard about him just keep this in mind and everything makes sense. He matches energy and he is not the aggressor.
true, always matches good faith people with good faith
So true. He can go into the trenches and argue with a variety of different people. If they're respectful he'll also reciprocate it. And if they're not then fck it he goes in. But it's funny how people portray only one side
All good communicators do. Subconsciously, the person you're talking to generally feels at ease and comfortable when you mimic their overall body language and demeanor.
He really is devious at matching energy.
I'd say he's just devious
can't believe they got lilypichu's league duo partner on here
Someone needs to sweep your hard drive.
Actually it’s MrMouton’s hard carry
@@tjnucnuc no need, everyone already knows that much like destiny himself, his fans are also padeos
Vaush was DESTROYED in this debate
😂😂😂
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Is vaush the guy he's sitting across from?
@@GetEvenNotMad no that's hasan
Dead internet theory is terrible. REAL TERRIBLE
Why are you everywhere?
I'm on to you Egon you little rascal.
If only there was some kind of simple solution to all this 🤔 if only there was a way we could all…..touch grass
@@Macheako hold scotus hostage until they make social media illegal
Jesus Christ not you😢
>you're a smart cat
A high compliment from a man who sounds exactly like Garfield
i can't unhear it now. thanks
Damn... THAT'S IT 🎯
Really progressive by VICE to allow gnomes on. It always cool to hear about people from all walks of life
Female gnome none the less! Very good!
lol
Lol he ain't scared to go on these interviews. Don't see any others that can do this and hold their own.
@@geniphillits a joke relax
@@geniphill You've been gnomed!
I came in thinking I would hate this guy but he's really funny and made a lot of good points I woulder what his debates look like
DGG psyop LMFAOOO
@@DannyIMCF How is this reply older than the comment??
@@DannyIMCF bro they do this sh- on every video 🤣
they're all over the place. he usually just matches the energy of whoever he's talking to unless the person is completely brain rotted.
@@ericevridge iv heard of him a bit from Friends is he and a allso know hes hated ever were, why is that?
How is that no one seems to lnow the Tucker Carlson story? The guy got exposed in the most embarrassing way and no one seems to be aware.
I know man. Those court documents for the Dominion vs Fox case should've been the end but MAGA truly only seems to care about Trump being the president.
As long as you tell MAGA what they want to hear when you are on your platform then you are good.
No one talks about how his heiress mother left him all of $1 in her will either.
@@SaintKinesso he lied about the election?
Tucker is a Russian asset
"flood the zone with shit"
-Steve Bannon
I feel like Destiny is always on the edge of an aneurysm. Love his passion though.
Destiny inted my masters promo by perma-diving with Tristana jump and dying 10 times before 10 minutes while typing "watch me watch me" in all chat, but he's a cool dude.
What am I even reading. Ban twitch if this is how people write after consuming it.
@@a1-user you're just sad because you don't get any yussy
@@a1-userbro, I’ve been watching Destiny since 2018 and that dude’s comment might as well be Chinese word salad to me
@@a1-user it's a much worse plague than twitch. He's referring to League of Legends.
@@a1-user Why would he ban Twitch? It's a fine matchup for Tristana and Twitch wouldn't benefit as well from inting as other matchups like Caitlyn or Aphelios.
I can tell you're hard stuck silver, maybe even bronze with a suggestion like that.
"what the right does well is debate"
Destiny - 😬 "OK..."
I think, if I'm being charitable, is the right is really good with having a lot of different people out there debating, even if they're completely crazy, whereas the left a lot of the time seems scared of confrontation. That's the whole reason why Shapiro rose to fame is because he was out there debating, even if it was just against college kids, when no one else was. We're definitely starting to see that switch around now.
@@kingsleebrigade6714 Why are Leftists so afraid to debate and have their views challenged in public?
@@kingsleebrigade6714 Yeah, 2016 was wacky because most of the left weren't interested in debating anything, which is what gave the right power, they were willing to engage with everything. It's also why Vaush and Destiny gained popularity, they were the first lefties to be willing to engage the ideas that were festering.
hes emotional. what he does is not debate
It’s pretty true if you only look at mainstream media, which sounds like what he was referencing.
Explaining a statistic about something and using a statistic to explain something are 2 very different things. Destiny doesn't use these random facts out of context, every argument he made not only did he offer the statistic to back it, he explained why they actually apply.
Like when he mentioned mass myocarditis being fake…
@@YourMom-ro1ig He didnt. He gave the numbers from studies. 7 per 100,000.
Every? Let’s not idolize
Destiny does use random facts out of context. If something doesn't align with his beliefs he doesn't use it.
Even the Tucker/Sydney Powell thing. He said on air that she had zero evidence. But he never says that apart of his tucker/dominion rant because that context ruins the vibe.
@@Evan_Infinite he still proported fake allegations and didn't pushback against the claims with 0 evidence that he knew was false. Tucker has 0 credibility and is just a treasonous Russian propogandist
Man this was a really entertaining and interesting interview. He's spot on about the difference in standards between the two parties. The fact that people like Ben Shapiro can acknowledge what Trump tried to do in the 2020 election and still support him is insane! If Obama did that, not only would the Democrats very likely drop support for him, but the Republicans would rightly go NUTS and ring the alarm bells for decades at every opportunity.
Bingo. And there's the double standard of the party, Americans and media. Trump gets a pass, gets graded on a curve while everyone else has to be near perfect.
There has been a few recent disgraceful events in the democrat party in regards to democracy. Bernie got screwed. The appointment of a candidate against the will of the people via primaries. That's just two irrefutable points. But the list goes on. The pearl clutching only works in your echo chamber.
@@StephanieS-f7n Exactly. Trump gets to be lawless, Kamala had to be flawless.
It's probably because the entire media and institutions are on the left, right?
Just starting viewing this and Shane says, "What the right does well is debate." Of course they are good at debating when they are making up facts along the way.
Id argue that's bad at debate but good at lieing
Everyone is good at Calvin ball.
@@atetraxx amateurs don’t enforce any rules, so yes in an environment where there is lax enforcement, debaters can just focus on how they are seen in the moment rather than being logically consistent.
Leftist amateurs who just obsess over logical consistency miss the forest for the trees. They allow right wing influencers to dictate the entire conversation, which is more important.
Like there are only two genders?
Still coping with the loss eh? Haven't learned a thing still eh?
Destiny is Dr. Egon Cholakian's name
Dont talk about me.
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9:33 yes! My dad (an engineer) said the same thing. "Our failures are known, while our successes are not."
Very true. Reminds me of the phrase “good design is obvious, great design is invisible”
Same goes for vfx, people say they hate it, but only recall the times they noticed, not the countless times they did not even know vfx was involved.
Good old toupee fallacy (bad toupees are noticed, good toupees aren't noticed, ergo someone could think all toupees look bad).
One of the few people in media that isn't audience captured. Smart dude
This is one of the main things setting him apart.
He is really good at matching the guy with the beard. I like his beard. It is great he has his own show.
And on top he lacks a personal grand narrative that like a demanding audience might funnel his opinions in a direction. His main targets of attention are constantly changing and evolving.
I don't know about that, his views on Israel - Palestine hint at audience capture.
@@truthbetold8233 how so?
Shane and Gavin are such an interesting duality. Two counterculture kids starting an enormous media project together, hitting it big, one growing into a compassionate dad type, and the other becoming a raging alcoholic alt-righter.
As someone that lives in North Carolina, specifically an area affected by hurricane Helene, I can confirm that the lies about FEMA not being here were BS. There were local and federal folks here (that I saw with my own eyeballs. To be fair, I did not attempt to touch them) immediately helping out. Carry on.
What if you don't have eyeballs how would they know fema was there?
its insane that people will pretend the things they can see with their eyes arent real. but can make baseless assumptions and present them as facts. obviously fema was sent out for hurricane relief. i dont know why the right tries to create blatant lies to discredit someone and even more surprised people believe it.
YES BUT you are telling from a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE you are NOT teling/saying from a MAJORITY/BIGGER LOOK.
More simplified you are talking about a tree instead about the woods.
\For example in my town the minister from then ruling party came to our town that was hit with devastating floods BUT he and the responce team came ONLY TO CERTAIN PART of the town (part where majority voted for that ministers party) BUT in reality RESCUE TEAM SCAME MORE IN NUMBERS AND MORE SWIFTLY SOLY BCS OF THAT RATEHR THAN BEING ON A LARGER SCALE AS IT SHOULD BE. ONLY AFTER A WEEK OR SOit satrted to be come on a more vwi9der/bigger scale.
YOU CANT PUT YOUR OWN PERSONAL SIGHTING/FEEING AND CLAIM THAT IT WAS IMMIDIETLY SAME EVERYWHERE ELSE/CANT POTRAY IT AS SUCH.
are you denying that FEMA skipped contacting people with trump signs in florida? you denying that people were denied assistance? what kinda clown are you.
@kenneth.topp. If you think fema avoided people with trump signs you should probably just stay in your shelter you arent wanted in society. First it was democrats somehow stopping fema and now they just avoid trumpers. You guys are disgusting with misinformation
That's a good point actually. Humans isn't really a truth seeking creature cuz our brains. Our human nature care more about self satisfactory truth than "trusting the expert"
That's not just a good point. That's THE point, you can ask almost any person that voted why they voted and it will be a truth seeking response, seriously try it, humans think they are too smart for their own good, anytime you try and explain this to them they just call it pseudo-science, its insane, there has to be a huge reform of the education system if this isn't something that is in people's minds. The consequences of not teaching basic critical thinking skills in this country are becoming increasingly worse
The liberal/conservative quote they attributed to Winston Churchill was actually a quote from Paul Addison of Edinburgh University. Churchill has so many quotes falsely attributed to himself it's fucking wild.
@@yungxshikaku666 lmao its become a meme at this point
yeah, they were pretty unsure when briefly mentioning that quote. does it really detract from the conversation though?
@@wolfwoodnot really, but wouldn't you be mad if you said something profound enough to have people quoting it several decades later yet always have someone attribute it to someone else and not be corrected?
"Churchill has so many quotes falsely attributed to himself it's fucking wild." - Ben Franklin
I'm waiting for Einstein to catch-up in that record in falsely attributed quotes...
Hearing Shane say “Go” after his speech is hilarious 😂
Alternative media definitely has an unearned sense of credibility, generally speaking. There is less chance of them being held accountable for wildy ridiculous or inflammatory reporting or opinions.
I would even say inexplicable at this point
@@AceofDlamonds Alternative media is worthless.
This is the quintessential problem we are currently having. Even though people joke about "why would you lie on the internet" they still believe every single AI Instagram reel set before them and every single podcast episode of a conspiracy theorist while simultaneously losing trust in mainstream media because "they" provably lied once or twice. While of course completely ignoring the absolute lack of accountability in alternative media.
It's like how people don't trust pharmaceuticals despite them being tested heavily, but trust random claims on supplements when theres zero oversight or evidence for them. People find evidence and truth boring, but they find fake big claims exciting.
Just here to say that Destiny and Sarah Longwell changed me from a stupid conspiracy bro Trump voter to a proud democrat.
How did you get exposed to them? What made you listen or give it a chance?
Sarah Longwell sounds like a Harry Potter character
You just got into new conspiracies. dont switch teams, quit the sport.
@@m.j.e.5245 You are not an intellectual because you are apolitical.
@@m.j.e.5245 what conspiracies does Destiny espouse?
Im not a fan of the guy 100%, but he is making sense and able to explain his positions with clarity about 95% of the time
Shane repeatedly telling destiny every couple minutes that he doesn't want to debate him is hilarious
Makes sense, guy seems incredibly ill informed. Vague theories on Covid without providing any actual facts, ‘they could send video from the moon in 1969 but we can’t today’ …uhhh ok
VICE hit me up lol or someone else who can actually present an argument, a fact pattern to discuss issues on at least. He’s allowed Destiny to get his ideas over without looking like a muppet so that’s positive anyway
Just comes across as spineless to me tbh. Just ask your questions you hack
I hope Destiny keeps up going on shows like this.
Why doesn’t he try to do a real debate now that he’s gone on the offensive? He’s got the zeal down, but has gotten worse at explaining his own points because he’s so focused on attacking others or framing the debate.
@@AjaxDGonzo debating whomstve tho? Nobody on the right wants to debate, unless its against college students who will have 20 sec of mic time
Destiny is doing the work, and I applaud him for that. His channel needs to reach 1 million followers soon!! 👏🏾👏🏾
As a Brit I’ve never heard of Shane Smith before and apart from some of his covid views he appears to be a very reasonable chap. He’s very calm, enquiring and relaxing to listen too.
If i recall, this is the vice reporter that went to North Korea
I didn't like him, he seems ignorant on many topics, comes across as spineless with opening every question with "I'm not trying to debate you" dude just ask the fucking question. And he rambles nonsense before asking
Destiny needs to go on more long-form podcasts. Most of what people see of him are these short clips of him owning or getting owned in debates. If people hear him talk, they wouldn’t have this negative impression of him
Thats the problem, he does plenty, Hasan and the leftists on twitch will continue to do the same thing though
You can search up a lot of in depth conversations he has had, Tom Bilyeu, Lex Fridman, Alex O' Connor, Chris Williamson
The supermarket Tucker was talking about is nit Russian. It’s a French chain supermarket Auchan (Ашан). It exists it many European countries including in Ukraine. Everything in that supermarket including the bread theybhave on site, the shoping cart sustem and the escalators that block wheles are part of the Franchise. Lastly the prices are higher than in Poland depite peopele making way more money in Poland. Tucker does what US sellout journalists did in Soviet days.
we also have something similar with the shopping carts from Aldi, a chain that's in america (not like tucker would know, he's never lived like an american)
“The right is good at debating” 🤣🤣🤣 good at lying!!!
The left dont debate they just lie and morally grandstand. There are more prominent debaters on the right who actually use facts and logic instead of bad faith emotional arguments.
if you had to list a bunch of good political debaters, more right wingers will pop up. not because the positions they defend are better, but because the woke left abandoned the debate format.
Give ur kid some more female hormones while you laugh 😂
If you lie in a debate and win, you still win. Just because the opponent lied doesn't mean that he's not a good debater. If you can't come with enough facts and put these facts out in a way where you come out on top and people understand. Then you're not a good debater.
@@opensocietyenjoyer its often because right wing debaters are primarily entertainers, thier goal isnt a logical argument but to entertain the crowd
Why is Destiny informing Shame Smith about the Dominion lawsuit?! Isn't Smith the journalist?
Strangely smith doesn’t seem to know 😂
yeh, I was thinking the same thing...🤣 or he was role playing... idk. Proves his point on media bias. "Nothing to see here... brushes it under a rug"
Did you miss him saying "Let's get this out for them?" as in us the viewers.
I loved this interview and the sanity is just so refreshing. It’s like I took my first breath since November 6th 😢
Love this interview! Hope more people see it 🙌🙌
Oh man, I didn't even think about it until it was explicitly mentioned at the end;
This was filmed before the election results
im a hasan fan and this destiny guy is nothing like hasan describes him as, why does he hate him so much?
Exactly what a Destiny fan would say 😂
cause he gave him criticism years ago. since u already heard what hasan has to say about destiny, search for destiny talking about their past history together and you'll have a fuller picture
hasan cant handle any pushback
Why are you a fan of a nepo baby?
rethink your life
Destiny is great. My favorite thing about him is that if he is wrong on something he has no problem admitting it, correcting it and moving forward. He also explains his work, like how he came to the answer that he did. He also does research on stream. He has also been on the ground politically active.
I like how he refuses to admit racial slurs are bad and threatens to make AI porn of girls if they are friends with his enemies
@@nutrition9578 I like how ur mum gay
Im glad non of that is true LOLLL@@nutrition9578
doing tricks on it, weirdo. wikipedia research lmao
@@nutrition9578 nice fanfiction you wrote there, can you add some furries into it?
Egon Chalokian sends his regards. 👋
1:56 The LITERAL opposite. Being loud, doing the "I'm calm while you yell" attitude, creating 'gotcha' moments is not debate, it's appealing to mass stupid people. Good debate is rationality supported by evidence.
Yes and they only debate college kids
@@MagnusReardon They challenge college kids for their misinformed views which are fed to them by their partisan professors. Thats not a bad thing.
Great host and great interview!
Ben says the guardrails held while actively removing them.
Destiny is the actual king of common sense if you truly listen to him. Also if dead internet theory interests yall go watch the video "Destiny's schizo arc". its an insane example of it live on destiny's stream.
I'd say rationality. Common sense is a term that essentially just means intuition and has been heavily weaponized by anti-intellectuals.
@@-47- you are right common sense probably wasn't the right term.
Your attempts at a psyop are so lame, it's hilarious
This was a great interview
This was far too short and very interesting, hope they meet up again for more common sense conversation that the world needs.
something something hasan vaush destiny ludwig something something girls name
Ha! Good one
Mr Redacted
kinda makes sense the very top comment here is from a destiny fan bitterly crying about hasan, lol
@hannibalb8276 who?
@@KaseyBottomB what?
This was an amazing interview, props to Destiny and Shane. I feel like if intelligent or just even open minded people sat down for/listened to conversations like this half the problems wouldn't exist in this country. We've opened Pandora's Box of post-truth with things like social media and idk what we do about it.
I’ve really come to like Destiny. Especially his humility - sometimes he’s not sure or needs to talk something through, and he does just that instead of just talking louder.
Google what he's got to say about 14yo girls. See if you still like him.
@@christopherjones929 you mean that kids should get their advice from adults instead of other kids? He's right
I enjoyed this a lot
Destiny changed the way I understand media and come to conclusions, I used to be a little bit idealogically captured by my world views until I actually deep dived into my beliefs and why I believed them to be true, it wasn't always a fact based analysis. To say he's changed my mind on a number of topics would be an understatement.
hahahahahahahaha
@@inversebrah least schizo destiny hater
Steven Kenneth Bonnell II is a girl's name.
Totally.. what a girl 😅
So many bots in here, claiming the same. Weird.
@@jozefkovac6858 It's an inside-joke.
I can't believe Gavin McGinnis founded Vice with a guy this chill.
Shane wasn't there right at the beginning. It was Suroosh and Gavin, then they brought Shane in to run marketing and sell ad space. Gavin wrote 80% of the articles. He used to make up names that sounded like "ethnic" or female and tried to write articles from those perspectives. Then in 2007 or so, the New York Times interviewed Gavin, and he basically tried to be as offensive as possible. People were offended, and Suroosh and Shane bought his share of the company for 5 million, I think.
I’ve always heard Destiny is some screaming far left crazy person but oh my gosh this isn’t all of what I expected. I’ll definitely check out more of his content, thanks for this video! Would love to have him and others like this on more!
Shane asks about the Jubilee 1v20, "Like chess, like Bobby Fisher." Destiny responds, "A little bit, except more personal insults." LMAO
This is an incredible interview. Well done vice
The fact that Shane has to ask why Tucker really left Fox News having assumed that it was because of advertisers is everything that is wrong with legacy journalists: laziness. People like Shane aren’t evil or malicious. They’re just lazy. They’re not just lazy in their action, they’re lazy in their thinking.
Exactly! What a hack this guy is, ignorant and opianiated
Fantastic interview!
Great interview! More of these debates
Let's go Destiny!!!!
Damn Destiny changed my mind on some things.
psyops comment
@@inversebrah "People saying they changed their mind when presented with new arguments is a psyop!"
You people are ridiculous.
@@ThePurplemaneater yea destiny orbiters doing what they always do is totally not a psyops, cope harder lil bro
@@inversebrah Anything that doesn't fit what you want to hear is a "psyops". I suggest you engage in self-reflection. You are seriously flawed.
Destiny? That's a video game name
But before that it’s a stripper name lol
Its also a girls name 😂
@@kamii_999hahahaha, you salty. 😂😂😂
@@jozefkovac6858 Salty? Because my name is actually masculine unlike this cuk u look up to?💀
Why do you losers constantly harp on his name?...who cares. Critique his position, not his name
I hate how much I know about politics bruh. My vote should count 20x
True!
He thinks Candice Owens "rattles off facts"??? 😂😂
Yeah facts, fax, car fax, equifax, and even the transunion probably once we unpack things.
Shane Smith: "I'm an immigrant and came with no shoes" ......FROM CANADA!! 🤣🤣🤣
I've done that myself as it was middle of the summer and sandal weather.
Thank you Destiny and VICE, these conversations are essential especially for the left at this moment!
how is a genocide apologist who hates black people "left" lmao
18:00 this is why a lot of pro players in sports/esports are NOT coaches, this is why coaches exist. Just because you are good at something does not mean you can teach it/analyze it. Same with teachers, you can be an amazing math wiz, but that doesn't mean you can accurately teach it to someone, especially if you are many levels more advanced, youd take for granted the things you view as obvious and either overwhelm someone, or completely skip over something.
Also, shouldn't be surprising the party of diversity appears diverse even in opinions, compared to the trump party.
Eyy, Shane Smith, I've watched his North Korea documentaries a thousand times. "it's just matter, it's fried matter" has been stuck in my head for 12 years now
i love how this channel has become Shane + Vice reuploads
As in you don’t love it? This is trash
@@codyramseurShane is like the best part about VICE dude
I miss the Nebraska Steve era. But I'm glad he's making hella money.
He comes out once in a while lol
@justomunoz7168 I mean Nebraska steve in every Twitter spaces destiny does
@@justomunoz7168makes a lil guest appearance now and again.😂
It All comes down to this, it's not perplexing. Defunding public education for >60yrs was a brilliant strategy usa..
Someone needs to defund you next 😂
Not for this particular video, but I’m really enjoying this new “revival” approach Shane Smith is taking for Vice News. Not that they’ve ever really stopped uploading content on TH-cam, but after the whole “corporate” merger they did, & then the whole bankruptcy thing, everyone thought Vice was done for, including myself, but I’m really glad to see Shane taking back the “reins” so to speak, for Vice News again. I’ve always loved their stance & the way they approach news/ journalism as a whole. Or maybe it’s just the “alternative” media approach I like, but either way, really glad to see Vice making a comeback & giving a big middle finger to “Big Media” & to everyone else who 💩 on Vice when they were on the decline! 💯💯
Destiny is good actually
Destiny is evil actually
@@inversebrah you realize everyone can see how many comments you left on this video(with the extension)? youre obsessed LMAO
This guy Shane Smith is far more conspiratorial than he wants to admit. It’s still taboo for him and he knows it is a stain on your character when the world eventually settles. People who are not conspiracy theory believers don’t need to justify it or stammer over their words to constantly find the correct words to get you to express your understanding they are not conspiratorial. People wanting to fit in so badly they seek conspiracies
Can we do away with the massive floating question mark? Makes it look like the Riddler's podcast
I kinda like it
It needs to stay now, this is so good
Tipper fam
🤣
People seem to forget you can disagree on certain topics and still like the person, thats the case for me with destiny.
nah not too big on genocide apologists
@@inversebrah link?
What do u disagree on?
@@azca.Suggesting owning CP should be normalised / not criminalised
@@christopherjones929 You're aware that he has never advocated for that, right? You hate the guy for a totally made up reason lol.
Shane should do this like quarterly or even every other month with Destiny. That would be sick content!
Destiny's Gnome Gnation
I am not a gnelf
some have lost the ability to think critically
Destiny is a legend 💪
Yes, a legendary genocide apologist.
Shane Smith is a great journalist (and interviewer), who looks to have genuine curiosity for the pulse of the country. Thank you Shane! Makes me re-think my opinion on Vice News. Realistic/practical, down to earth --- and winning the final not-a-debate debate:) lol
Destiny did kind of change my mind on some issues
Mine too
Same I used to dislike him and saw him the same way as many of the hater comments describe him until i took some time to listen to him. I do find myself disagreeing with things he says before quickly deleting whatever mental comment I had brewing in my head because he provides great factual and logical arguments on many things.
@@ihswap I urge you to reanalyze your opinion on this individual
what dud he change
Great interview. Love the work put into this. Good stuff.
Destiny is the standard for critical thinking and communication
Destiny is the standard for astroturfed comments and propaganda.
@@inversebrah They must love him at Blackrock.
Destiny is 1009% talking out his ass but I love it.
Destiny was a pretty good watch
Good interview!
I loved this conversation so much. Have him on more often.
Shane made damn sure this wasn’t a debate lmao
Tim Pool was kind of ripping on this guy today so out of curiosity, I looked up his name and found this video. I was preparing to hate Destiny, but so far he seems really level headed and intelligent. I kinda turned into a raging Trump humper over the past few years so it's cool whenever I can find a little bit of balance
Tim pool is not the guy you want to be watching if you want to understand the world around you, people like destiny are not perfect but put way more work into grounding out everything they are saying with good reasoning and statistics, and it can't be understated how important that is
@ thanks for the advice. I'm capable of making my own assessment.
Why even watch Tim? Just watch Russia Today, same talking points more production value.
haha typical destiny orbiter larping
Lots of bots and ignorance in the comments. Listen to him and make your own mind up.
Was thinking the same. Going through the newest comments is always cancer. Bots are getting INSANELY annoying and I know it’s just gonna get worse.
The best line in the whole conversation was …………… “it’s dobby”. It cracked me up
Great interview. I don't particularly agree with Destiny, but what he says is compelling and makes sense. Not an American, but its nice to keep an unbiased perspective of the leader of the free world
Awesome convo, this guy is sharp.
hahahahahahaha
This was a great discussion. I've been on the fence about destiny, but that's more about me just not looking for new Internet characters in my life and therefore dismissing him
One thing i appreciate about Shane is for example, when Destiny started talking about the most taboo topic of our time, the 19 thing, Shane didnt do the thing i hate most which is to immediately just put up a wall by laughing and saying, "You really believe X??? Omg. Bro. You're so lost" and then any conversation that could have been had is over before it starts
Host: You can get mean [referring to debate approach for the interview]
Destiny: Yeah okay...
looooool damn son