China built the wall up a few times in their history to protect against the invading Mongolians. Every time, the wall was a complete waste of resources that the Chinese were forced into because they ran out of options to deal with the Mongol's superior warfare capabilities. Every time, the wall was completely ineffective, being impossible to guard at every point because of its enormous length. The Manchurians easily crossed the walls to raid nearby cities frequently, and in the 1600s they united and completely conquered China after crossing the wall. The wall did next to nothing. This guy opens his argument with an assertion about a historical subject he knows nothing about and believes the opposite about. Good start to a debate!
Nich Candor Its infuriating. I wouldnt have moved on from that point, I would have drilled it in. While at it, Id include other examples of failed walls, like Hadrians, or the Berlin wall.
Before Genghis Khan Mongols did not even have siege engines and they started building it 7th BC the fuck are you talking about? It was used against nomadic raiders and served well enough even Wikipedia says so. Where did you pull out this shit that the wall was useless?
Vardas Pavardenis Read the entire wiki before you summarize it: "The Manchus were finally able to cross the Great Wall in 1644, after Beijing had already fallen to Li Zicheng's rebels. Before this time, the Manchus had crossed the Great Wall multiple times to raid, but this time it was for conquest." The wall was a waste of resources and didn't curb the Manchurian raids. The whole reason it was useless is because an enormous wall on any front is only useful keeping people out if there are sufficient men stationed at every point. You could find weak points everywhere on the Great Wall and cross it with a ladder, and the Manchurians did throughout a LARGE portion of China's history to raid and plunder villages. Maybe when you say it "served well enough" you didn't get to the part where essentially a united group of bandits crossed the wall and conquered ALL OF CHINA for nearly 300 years.
"This is like life experience, this isn't charts and graphs this is actually being out there" Pretty much sums up his entire argument for every topic discussed.
This kid, his arguments, his outlook, his base of knowlage and completely lack of a basic grasp of how science and statistics work is EXACTLY the PERFECT argument AGAINST what he's saying. I have no idea how these people exist and don't collapse like Ironic Stars
PolishPipebomb The benefit of free society that takes better care of people than most realise. Five hundred years ago this fuck would have died early from Typhus, or died early in indentured servitude. The spartans would have tossed him in the baby pile.
He knows trade jobs pay more then college educated jobs because his sister has a degree and he makes more money then her. Bravo what a great argument. I knew a drug dealer in my city growing up who had more money then my college educated father, therefore drug dealers make more money then college graduates. Lolz
i would love to see some kind of statistic on how much the avarage criminal "proffesion" earns , inlcuding prison time(for example you make 100k 5 years in a row go to prison for 5 years and your avarage is 50k) Shame that geting that kind of stats would be near imposible...
@@sasotadic7032 The very bottom of the ladder street dealer here in Tijuana makes 100 pesos a day, which is about 5 dollars, and gets a free hit of dope.
Thomas L Most likely a lot more. Considering we share the largest border with Canada, and Trumps wall is almost $20 billion, and with the crash of the Canadian dollar since we wouldn't pay for it, it would be so much fucking money
+Cameron Roberts I agree. I just try to avoid hyperbole and do my best to use conservative estimates so that I don't get mired in minutia with Trump supporters.
every kind of item is categorized and every item that isn't necessary for you to have a somewhat decent live is called "luxury item" so yes a microwave is still called a luxury item
Sure, microwaves, stoves, ovens, cars, TVs, phones, are all luxury items. If you don't LITERALLY need them to sustain your life by eating them or using them as shelter, they're a "luxury," Capitalism at its best, scorning people for wanting a comfortable life.
Mad Jack Churchill Normally every household has a stove so if you get a microwave it's a luxury item cause you don't need it if you have a stove. If you already have a desk, a second desk would be a luxury item. If your bathroom is not designed to have a door, getting a door is a luxury item. If you are to stupid to get that you are not worthy to talk to me anymore...
Why is the guy Destiny debated so stupid? He kept on using individual situations to prove himself right on various topics when statistics proves otherwise. I died of laughter when he said we are too entertained and have too many fun things at 54:40
Destiny's reactions to this guy trying to make his points is so funny. Dude: "Do security cameras stop all shoplifting?" Not seeing at all that this point weakens the wall argument. Destiny, "...no.........."
This guy has personally interviewed half of Alberta's approximately 222,000 construction workers, and found that all of them eagerly desired this career and pursued it their whole life.
@800mEric I was an electrician. Yes you can make it off of just trades but to be fair the path to making good money in these trades isn’t guaranteed. The best you can hope to do is get into a union, not everyone does. The most money I made was when I would work side jobs and OT, which is a very easy possibility in the trades but I’m working more hours and giving more of my life to do it. My wife is an RN the second she got her degree she was making as much as my forman did off the rip and she could have made more if she went to work at a hospital. I can tell you my opinion, if I could go back I would get a degree in engineering, you have so much more flexibility and such a better quality of life. I was in the electrical trade which isn’t even a “bad” trade but I still feel like it sucked and would never push my children into a trade first and foremost, sure if it’s what they want to do go ahead but I want them to understand there are better things out there that are just better for them in terms of pay and quality of life.
What!?!? Are you kidding me? For the first 30 mins he repeated how everyone loves his job and wouldn't want to do anything else. At the 43:00 he literally says well I have a tough job and not many people want to do it. His argument changes based off the topic at hand.
If this guy thinks the majority of blue collar injuries are minor cuts, he hasn't been in the field that long. Most of us clean out the cut, wrap it, and get back to work in minutes, we don't go running to safety
The guy Destiny is talking to is obviously and extremely intellectually dishonest. He is willing to say anything to make a point to try to win an argument. Destiny: You more likely to get seriously injured in a construction job than sitting in office job all day. Dumb Canadian : No, I totally disagree. You aren't going to get far with people like this, not because they are right, nor because their arguments are good or even tenable, but because they will not agree to simple facts or logic.
It's funny because most of what he said about the job environment doesn't seem accurate at all. There are tons of new ads every day trying to find construction workers at every skill/experience level here in Vancouver. And this is two years later, pay is good too considering you don't need any experience or education for basically any of them. I think he's just mad because his skill is probably not as valuable as he would like to think it is. TBH he sounds really dumb and it sounds like his whole viewpoint is suited for whatever his wants are at the time and would do a 180 if he was in a different position.
I actually can't even listen to this debate, it's not worth the time, I don't know how Destiny makes it through an hour with this guy but I can't handle 10 minutes, he offers no value or intellectual viewpoint whatsoever.
@ the 43 min mark he admits no one wants his job because it's tough work. But he spent the first 30 min pissed at destiny for saying no one wants his job. I dropped 5 points on my IQ test after listening to this trumptard.
I think caller got the refugee thing confused. That small town in Manitoba wasn't being forced to accept 400 refugees. There are just ~400 incidents of refugees *from the US* (as in, illegal immigrants in the US who fear deportation so they cross into Canada) crossing the border near that town.
Wait lol Vancouver Island is not really where people want to live in BC. Most of it is rural and rather impoverished and depressed after the collapse of industries like mills. Vancouver and the Metro Vancouver area are by FAR the bigger hub for immigrants and new people moving to the province.
This guy doesnt know what he's talking about. I cook for a living. I love it! But its not for everyone, and its in a lot of ways much worse than even most trade jobs. I do it because I like doing it but I hold no illusions the industry is pretty terrible. Its not for everyone.
His buddy went from electrician to framer because he didn't like the people and work. That's the first time I've ever heard of people moving down in trades for such a silly reason
At some point in all of these discussions, it's like both sides are dancing around the idea that capitalism is broken but neither are willing to voice that.
Wait, how do the wages construction workers affect the standard of buildings? Does Canada not have a set of standards and practices that are checked by the architect and engineers during construction? What are the building surveyors doing?
"At your level of thinking", "I know you are never going come to a spot where you understand it". So infuriating to listen to people who have zero understanding still throw around ad hominem, personal insults. It is why, unless you have a platform like this, it is not worth it to discuss it with certain people. It all needs to be from own experience (statistics and means are worthless, because I've seen ... whatever), everything needs to be discussed because something didn't sit right with them (for example: "crappy" jobs) and at the end of the day certain arguments will just subconsciously go right out the other ear.
Near the beginning he really said that people illegally crossing the border to sell drugs or to move their ilegally, going througb winter in canada to do so, were going to stop doing that because there was a fence there. He can't possibly believe that. How did destiny not call him on that?
Listening to the guy's lumber mill/China anecdote...Mills don't make furniture, they process lumber. If you're shipping lumber to China to make FURNITURE, that wouldn't negatively effect the MILLING industry.
If the minimum wage is increased people will earn more money. They will spend more money which will increase demand and profits for companies. The more demand the more jobs will be created. I dont buy your premiums that companies will raise the cost of goods, because competition is too high. If minimum wage was increased past a certain threshold then it would be bad and then companies would have to increase the cost of goods, but were nowhere near that my dude. Minimum wage has been basically frozen for the past 15 years, but profits haven't. Another major benefit for min wage increase is more taxes will be collected. As you alluded to companies dont pay their share in taxes. The tax system has all types of loopholes that often takes a companies tax liability down to zero. If some of that capital is shifted to employees then they will not have loopholes and will pay taxes. We then use that extra tax revenue to fund certain smaller companies that may not be able to afford min wage and have extra tax revenue for other uses. I dont know this is kind of basic stuff and I dont know how anyone could disagree with this. Poor people should love this because they earn more, corporations should love this because sales will skyrocket, and even sexist Jordan petterson fans should love it, because more men could afford to support their household and their wives could go back to their traditional roles if they wanted. I know your not talking about min wage, but I've heard you fight against it before. I think you learned about a hypothetical scenario in your economic class, but that scenario assumed min wage was being bumped past a certain threshold. Are min wage has been held back due to systemic corruption, so that scenario your professor taught you about is irrelevant to the situation at hand.
The Great War of China worked so well that they had an entire dynasty of Mongol emperors. No one, fleeing for their & their families lives is going to travel for hundreds of miles through the desert, run up against a wall/fence/ or whatever and going to go aw shucks guess we gotta go back, certainly no way around this. As someone who has worked menial, construction jobs the only constant is the senior people telling you over and over "go to college, get a degree, you don't want to be killing yourself your whole life". This guy sounds like someone who doesn't have the first clue what the hell he's talking about,
Yeah ok.... he hated being an electrician, hated the people, became a framer...so then, for no reason, decided to be a painter, then, couldn’t immigrate to Canada as a carpenter.... Sounds like a jack of all trades and a master of none 😂
Easiest argument against this guy’s “decreased immigration means higher salaries” argument. Automation is cheaper than the average American worker’s base pay. Getting rid of immigrants who do these farming jobs or similar means increased automation, not increased employment and wages.
Just because we don’t have every level of private and public space walled off doesn’t mean there aren’t certain levels of granularity that we can recognize would be beneficial. The wall isn’t a kill-all problem solver but it can help
Does he here himself? There are a ton of people who want to do my job we take pride in it. Followed by, not many people want to do my job so I can ask for a raise.
It really feels like to turn people like this fella around you have to convince them of your conclusion by using the evidence they've already gathered even if the argument you're making is illogical. Then when you have them in agreement to the conclusion, the idea can be reinforced with logical arguments. They're already in a state of mind that what they know is all that needs to be known so providing more information doesn't cause them to doubt their position but instead readily wave off any new data that doesn't support it.
aww man this guy says they way they circumvent the lowering of their standards of living is by not letting the market decide the minimum wage and then like a few minutes later to make another point he says that thats why they let the market decide xD....
listening to this was worth it for the last bit. I think these discussions should start with Destiny saying that for every anecdote or personal experience the person says, he'll say one of his own and then round up how many there were in conclusions before finishing with calling the person out on the facts like he did here.
Don't know much about US / CAN, but over here construction guys make really good money. Most blue collar jobs pay much better than service industry jobs and lot of white collar jobs.
I really don’t get the claim that this wall will significantly reduce or even stop illegal drugs from entering the U.S. Cartels use plane drops, cars, and tunnels (look at the tunnels that El Chapo’s crew was able to construct in mere days). EDIT: I forgot to also include the use of boats to smuggle drugs in.
This may be on obvious observation but it sounds like this dude was just grinding weed and smoking the entire time. WTF was I hearing on the Canadian's end?
Really basic thing but don’t ever allow these people to get away with “half the population voted for Donald”. Not even half the population voted at all.
my argument has always been its about more than the wall you can build a wall but you still need to protect it and in olden times that would be impossible but now with motion sensors, FLIR, and drones it can be done without using landmines
Bro, we dont care about your wall being built or not, we dont want to pay for your government’s stupid projects thats where the outrage came from from our side. Built a moat and fill it with alligators and flamethrowers. But use your taxes to pay for it.
@@warezplaya It cant tho, as far as I remember, the agreements after world war 2 prohibited the use of weapons meant for war into international points of crossing. Thats also why the border between ireland and the UK was controversial, they were using bombs in the borders.
Truck drivers, electricians, plumbers and welders beat those wages of those white collar jobs all day. They also have zero student loan debt and were, in fact, being paid to learn their job and increase their earning power. Look into apprenticeships, Destiny.
Even nurses have a higher average salary than all those professions. You are right they are well paying and people should look into them. But Destiny’s point is that people should have more options available.
Almost everyone who makes an argument on this channel. "Once upon a time, there was this ugly girl who was constantly made fun of. So she went to school and became a engineer. One day, her features evened out and she became super hot, and became a model instead. She married a rich guy and never worked again. The moral of the story is; making fun of people encourages people, school is a waste of time for all women, and every girl can become a model or marry a rich guy."
ugh. unemployment in Alberta has nothing to do with immigrants, it has to do with the variability of the petrochemical market and global oil prices. I don't even live in Canada and apparently I know more about the nuances of blue collar work than this homeboy.
This guy is actually not "too far gone" He just has a few fundamental flaws that prevent him from seeing the obvious. Most of his concerns are valid and relevant, but they are problems with insufficiantly regulated capitalism and they won't go away by reducing immigration. The drain on peoples economic resources and worktime come from the enourmous profits companys and very few rich people are allowed to have and from the unjust system of property distribution
I know that you don't have to adress every single fact that is incorrect, but at 1:16:39 -ish, he just lets the man believe that the quality of life has gone down because "hurr durr capitalism"? Obviously the market is moving forward, globalism is not something that we can halt. Halting progress has never worked since the introduction of ... speech. There are arguments to be had for supervising certain aspects of globalism. For example pure capitalism would be too harsh against certain people, there would be nothing stopping the decrement of wages for the working class. Alongside every step of progress mankind has lost something, for example wheat fields were hell to work at (in comparison to hunting), but now people had food. It allowed us to move forward and better the equipment and invent the wheel and such. Halting progress because you want your local farm market food and days spent at a lake fishing is a bit idealistic. You don't need all this extra stuff, but it is supposed to help people move things along better, hence the standardized homes that weren't built by your neighbours and community. You move forward so that you can reinstate that old luxury, throughout there have been times where we went the wrong way and it took way too long, but that is what you got to strive for.
China built the wall up a few times in their history to protect against the invading Mongolians. Every time, the wall was a complete waste of resources that the Chinese were forced into because they ran out of options to deal with the Mongol's superior warfare capabilities. Every time, the wall was completely ineffective, being impossible to guard at every point because of its enormous length. The Manchurians easily crossed the walls to raid nearby cities frequently, and in the 1600s they united and completely conquered China after crossing the wall. The wall did next to nothing.
This guy opens his argument with an assertion about a historical subject he knows nothing about and believes the opposite about. Good start to a debate!
Nich Candor Its infuriating. I wouldnt have moved on from that point, I would have drilled it in. While at it, Id include other examples of failed walls, like Hadrians, or the Berlin wall.
Nich Candor I think it's important to note that China has very a small amount of illegal Mexican immigration.
GOD DAMN MONGORIIAAANS
Before Genghis Khan Mongols did not even have siege engines and they started building it 7th BC the fuck are you talking about? It was used against nomadic raiders and served well enough even Wikipedia says so. Where did you pull out this shit that the wall was useless?
Vardas Pavardenis Read the entire wiki before you summarize it:
"The Manchus were finally able to cross the Great Wall in 1644, after Beijing had already fallen to Li Zicheng's rebels. Before this time, the Manchus had crossed the Great Wall multiple times to raid, but this time it was for conquest."
The wall was a waste of resources and didn't curb the Manchurian raids. The whole reason it was useless is because an enormous wall on any front is only useful keeping people out if there are sufficient men stationed at every point. You could find weak points everywhere on the Great Wall and cross it with a ladder, and the Manchurians did throughout a LARGE portion of China's history to raid and plunder villages.
Maybe when you say it "served well enough" you didn't get to the part where essentially a united group of bandits crossed the wall and conquered ALL OF CHINA for nearly 300 years.
"I don't think that having a microwave or a smartphone increases the quality of life that much" Clearly you don't live in this century buddy.
Soufiane Bdaoui maybe he is amish 😲
To be fair he probably meant you could suffice with a cooker.
@onewithmyself I can't remember what this is about?
The fuck is this crazy son of a bitch talking about? If an American is going to sneak into canada they will go over legally then never return.
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"This is like life experience, this isn't charts and graphs this is actually being out there"
Pretty much sums up his entire argument for every topic discussed.
As a canadian, I have nothing but contempt for Canadian trump supporters. Sorry my american dudes, he is in the minority
holy shit, this guy lives in my city. I'm so so sorry
!!! this ass came to my province, my city, and took one of our jobs? He's basically an economic migrant. IRONY
You should deport him to China where with his ingenuity he will be able to come up with better jobs for the resident population!
Dylan Johnston as Americans we accept your apology
Not a trump supporter, but I can understand why people would be in response to the actual cuckold of a prime minister we have right now.
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You can't ask him to cheat on his sister man!
You'd have to ask them all individually
Wall addiction isn’t a joke. Remember that..
Pepperidge farms remembers
This kid, his arguments, his outlook, his base of knowlage and completely lack of a basic grasp of how science and statistics work is EXACTLY the PERFECT argument AGAINST what he's saying. I have no idea how these people exist and don't collapse like Ironic Stars
PolishPipebomb The benefit of free society that takes better care of people than most realise. Five hundred years ago this fuck would have died early from Typhus, or died early in indentured servitude. The spartans would have tossed him in the baby pile.
He knows trade jobs pay more then college educated jobs because his sister has a degree and he makes more money then her. Bravo what a great argument. I knew a drug dealer in my city growing up who had more money then my college educated father, therefore drug dealers make more money then college graduates. Lolz
i would love to see some kind of statistic on how much the avarage criminal "proffesion" earns , inlcuding prison time(for example you make 100k 5 years in a row go to prison for 5 years and your avarage is 50k)
Shame that geting that kind of stats would be near imposible...
@polka Depends on your position in the criminal world.If youre a gang leader or a midel man sure no problem,being a street dealer?Yeah no way...
Not everything is about how much money you make anyway.
@@sasotadic7032 The very bottom of the ladder street dealer here in Tijuana makes 100 pesos a day, which is about 5 dollars, and gets a free hit of dope.
@@donkeyshow8543 thats like half the minimal wage of mexico right?
>great Wall of China
good meme
weirdo3116
Tasty meme
Trump would say - Great wall of Gina
The only meme visible from space.
10:30 "I don't see what we have to lose." $20 Billion dollars?
Thomas L Most likely a lot more. Considering we share the largest border with Canada, and Trumps wall is almost $20 billion, and with the crash of the Canadian dollar since we wouldn't pay for it, it would be so much fucking money
+Cameron Roberts I agree. I just try to avoid hyperbole and do my best to use conservative estimates so that I don't get mired in minutia with Trump supporters.
Thomas L Pretty sure recently it's been updated to cost like $67 billion.
+SilverStarDan #FakeNews Mainstream media propaganda! Libtard!
(Naw but seriously, that's a lot.)
Thomas L It really is. Here is a link in case you are curious though. thehill.com/regulation/326202-top-dem-trumps-wall-would-cost-67b
Did this guy just say a Microwave is a "luxury item?" Is he living in the 1950s or some shit?
The Horror Guru Not to be anecdotal but I haven’t had a microwave for a year and it isn’t absolutely necessary.
every kind of item is categorized and every item that isn't necessary for you to have a somewhat decent live is called "luxury item" so yes a microwave is still called a luxury item
RealTalk So a vacuum cleaner is a luxury item? A desk is a luxury item? A bathroom door is a luxury item? God you’re dense.
Sure, microwaves, stoves, ovens, cars, TVs, phones, are all luxury items. If you don't LITERALLY need them to sustain your life by eating them or using them as shelter, they're a "luxury," Capitalism at its best, scorning people for wanting a comfortable life.
Mad Jack Churchill Normally every household has a stove so if you get a microwave it's a luxury item cause you don't need it if you have a stove. If you already have a desk, a second desk would be a luxury item. If your bathroom is not designed to have a door, getting a door is a luxury item.
If you are to stupid to get that you are not worthy to talk to me anymore...
Why is the guy Destiny debated so stupid? He kept on using individual situations to prove himself right on various topics when statistics proves otherwise.
I died of laughter when he said we are too entertained and have too many fun things at 54:40
Destiny's reactions to this guy trying to make his points is so funny.
Dude: "Do security cameras stop all shoplifting?" Not seeing at all that this point weakens the wall argument.
Destiny, "...no.........."
This guy has personally interviewed half of Alberta's approximately 222,000 construction workers, and found that all of them eagerly desired this career and pursued it their whole life.
I see why this guy got a trade.
Nothing wrong with trades
There’s nothing wrong with a trade but this dude head is so far up his ass is his problem.
@800mEric I was an electrician. Yes you can make it off of just trades but to be fair the path to making good money in these trades isn’t guaranteed. The best you can hope to do is get into a union, not everyone does.
The most money I made was when I would work side jobs and OT, which is a very easy possibility in the trades but I’m working more hours and giving more of my life to do it.
My wife is an RN the second she got her degree she was making as much as my forman did off the rip and she could have made more if she went to work at a hospital. I can tell you my opinion, if I could go back I would get a degree in engineering, you have so much more flexibility and such a better quality of life.
I was in the electrical trade which isn’t even a “bad” trade but I still feel like it sucked and would never push my children into a trade first and foremost, sure if it’s what they want to do go ahead but I want them to understand there are better things out there that are just better for them in terms of pay and quality of life.
And remember, next time you want to re-heat something, just fire up your coal stove.
What!?!? Are you kidding me? For the first 30 mins he repeated how everyone loves his job and wouldn't want to do anything else. At the 43:00 he literally says well I have a tough job and not many people want to do it. His argument changes based off the topic at hand.
Many such cases.
Anecdotes: The Drinking Game
I made it 5 mins, did I break the world record?
You couldn't convince this guy that water is wet if he didn't want to believe it.
Olas Water isn’t wet. Wet is defined as “covered in water”. You can’t be covered in water if you’re water already.
@@MadJackChurchill1312 But each water molecule is surrounded by other water molecules, that is, it is “covered” with water.
I know people who are dry though
conservatives only argue in anecdotes
The only thing that a wall stops is the animals: bears, deer, wolves, bison, caribou, etc. who have to migrate between lands.
If this guy thinks the majority of blue collar injuries are minor cuts, he hasn't been in the field that long. Most of us clean out the cut, wrap it, and get back to work in minutes, we don't go running to safety
“Those numbers are over inflated”
“You have no evidence to support that”
“It doesn’t matter”
This is so painful.
The guy Destiny is talking to is obviously and extremely intellectually dishonest. He is willing to say anything to make a point to try to win an argument.
Destiny: You more likely to get seriously injured in a construction job than sitting in office job all day.
Dumb Canadian : No, I totally disagree.
You aren't going to get far with people like this, not because they are right, nor because their arguments are good or even tenable, but because they will not agree to simple facts or logic.
It's funny because most of what he said about the job environment doesn't seem accurate at all. There are tons of new ads every day trying to find construction workers at every skill/experience level here in Vancouver. And this is two years later, pay is good too considering you don't need any experience or education for basically any of them. I think he's just mad because his skill is probably not as valuable as he would like to think it is. TBH he sounds really dumb and it sounds like his whole viewpoint is suited for whatever his wants are at the time and would do a 180 if he was in a different position.
I actually can't even listen to this debate, it's not worth the time, I don't know how Destiny makes it through an hour with this guy but I can't handle 10 minutes, he offers no value or intellectual viewpoint whatsoever.
@ the 43 min mark he admits no one wants his job because it's tough work. But he spent the first 30 min pissed at destiny for saying no one wants his job. I dropped 5 points on my IQ test after listening to this trumptard.
I think caller got the refugee thing confused. That small town in Manitoba wasn't being forced to accept 400 refugees. There are just ~400 incidents of refugees *from the US* (as in, illegal immigrants in the US who fear deportation so they cross into Canada) crossing the border near that town.
Wait lol Vancouver Island is not really where people want to live in BC. Most of it is rural and rather impoverished and depressed after the collapse of industries like mills. Vancouver and the Metro Vancouver area are by FAR the bigger hub for immigrants and new people moving to the province.
"You don't think [wall] worked for China?"
Ask Kublai Khan.
Laughs in Mongol
He says "We need to build a wall because our houses have Wall's" Our houses also have a roof. Without them. Our walls would be pretty useless.
Good to see Dunning Kruger is in effect in Canada as well
Dear Destiny, How in the actual fuck do you stand people who do not understand averages, stats, and have a love for anecdotal evidence.
Debate got destroyed in this destiny hoo boy
This guy doesnt know what he's talking about. I cook for a living. I love it! But its not for everyone, and its in a lot of ways much worse than even most trade jobs. I do it because I like doing it but I hold no illusions the industry is pretty terrible. Its not for everyone.
His buddy went from electrician to framer because he didn't like the people and work. That's the first time I've ever heard of people moving down in trades for such a silly reason
I died at the motor vehicule argument
me too fam. Sides fucking obliterated
Also, forgetting migratory animals that would be put out by blocking them from their roaming.
At some point in all of these discussions, it's like both sides are dancing around the idea that capitalism is broken but neither are willing to voice that.
Wait, how do the wages construction workers affect the standard of buildings? Does Canada not have a set of standards and practices that are checked by the architect and engineers during construction? What are the building surveyors doing?
this man appreciates anecodtes more than I think anyone ever has
"At your level of thinking", "I know you are never going come to a spot where you understand it". So infuriating to listen to people who have zero understanding still throw around ad hominem, personal insults. It is why, unless you have a platform like this, it is not worth it to discuss it with certain people. It all needs to be from own experience (statistics and means are worthless, because I've seen ... whatever), everything needs to be discussed because something didn't sit right with them (for example: "crappy" jobs) and at the end of the day certain arguments will just subconsciously go right out the other ear.
Oh no wonder... he's an Albertan lol
This dude literally said “a microwave is a luxury good.” 🙄🙄🙄
Why do all these people use anecdotes from their own life as an argument?
Lotzz Because if they didn't they wouldn't be Trump supporters.
they live in bubbles and echo chambers and anecdotal evidence is all they have
Near the beginning he really said that people illegally crossing the border to sell drugs or to move their ilegally, going througb winter in canada to do so, were going to stop doing that because there was a fence there. He can't possibly believe that. How did destiny not call him on that?
Is he eating a apple this entire debate?
Listening to the guy's lumber mill/China anecdote...Mills don't make furniture, they process lumber. If you're shipping lumber to China to make FURNITURE, that wouldn't negatively effect the MILLING industry.
My Fiance is an RN, she makes 130k.
Chat talking about how painful paper cuts are was hilarious.
LOL I was dying by Destiny's reaction to all the kids RANDOM anecdotes.
Dude we need walls, look at your skin! That's basically a wall too!
I'm extremely skeptical of people who blame immigrants for wage stagnation rather than crony capitalism and neo liberalism.
If the minimum wage is increased people will earn more money. They will spend more money which will increase demand and profits for companies. The more demand the more jobs will be created. I dont buy your premiums that companies will raise the cost of goods, because competition is too high. If minimum wage was increased past a certain threshold then it would be bad and then companies would have to increase the cost of goods, but were nowhere near that my dude. Minimum wage has been basically frozen for the past 15 years, but profits haven't.
Another major benefit for min wage increase is more taxes will be collected. As you alluded to companies dont pay their share in taxes. The tax system has all types of loopholes that often takes a companies tax liability down to zero. If some of that capital is shifted to employees then they will not have loopholes and will pay taxes.
We then use that extra tax revenue to fund certain smaller companies that may not be able to afford min wage and have extra tax revenue for other uses.
I dont know this is kind of basic stuff and I dont know how anyone could disagree with this. Poor people should love this because they earn more, corporations should love this because sales will skyrocket, and even sexist Jordan petterson fans should love it, because more men could afford to support their household and their wives could go back to their traditional roles if they wanted.
I know your not talking about min wage, but I've heard you fight against it before. I think you learned about a hypothetical scenario in your economic class, but that scenario assumed min wage was being bumped past a certain threshold. Are min wage has been held back due to systemic corruption, so that scenario your professor taught you about is irrelevant to the situation at hand.
The Great War of China worked so well that they had an entire dynasty of Mongol emperors. No one, fleeing for their & their families lives is going to travel for hundreds of miles through the desert, run up against a wall/fence/ or whatever and going to go aw shucks guess we gotta go back, certainly no way around this. As someone who has worked menial, construction jobs the only constant is the senior people telling you over and over "go to college, get a degree, you don't want to be killing yourself your whole life". This guy sounds like someone who doesn't have the first clue what the hell he's talking about,
It's always fascinating how people have strong opinion on shit they know nothing about
"SO many people are unemployed in BC that the unemployment numbers actually look low."
Destiny: "Facts and Data". The guy: "No, you see the numbers are skewed, let me tell you bout a dude I know."
Yeah ok.... he hated being an electrician, hated the people, became a framer...so then, for no reason, decided to be a painter, then, couldn’t immigrate to Canada as a carpenter.... Sounds like a jack of all trades and a master of none 😂
Easiest argument against this guy’s “decreased immigration means higher salaries” argument. Automation is cheaper than the average American worker’s base pay. Getting rid of immigrants who do these farming jobs or similar means increased automation, not increased employment and wages.
that video did not aged well... UK have worker crisis when we talk about fruit and veg pickers.
Debate got destined in this destroy!
every problem in the world can be solved by either getting married or building a wall around something.
Just because we don’t have every level of private and public space walled off doesn’t mean there aren’t certain levels of granularity that we can recognize would be beneficial. The wall isn’t a kill-all problem solver but it can help
Does he here himself? There are a ton of people who want to do my job we take pride in it. Followed by, not many people want to do my job so I can ask for a raise.
It really feels like to turn people like this fella around you have to convince them of your conclusion by using the evidence they've already gathered even if the argument you're making is illogical. Then when you have them in agreement to the conclusion, the idea can be reinforced with logical arguments. They're already in a state of mind that what they know is all that needs to be known so providing more information doesn't cause them to doubt their position but instead readily wave off any new data that doesn't support it.
Can anyone link me a dumber call-in than this Canadian? Even the 15 y/o Trump supporter was far more bearable than this dude.
What's up with the cut at 11:43 ? Just cuts into the middle of a different topic.
SaintLouisXX The stream got cut off. Shitty Cox internet.
I can't believe how charitable destiny was to captain anecdote holy moly
He sounds like Greg Proops
My Dudes! I love saying "My Dude"
Pepe got destroyed in this debate.
I don't take pride in physical work, it just ruins my day.
The New US-Mexico wall will cost $6,000,000 per mile. The US and Canada border is 5,500 miles. That's 33 Billion dollars estimate.
aww man this guy says they way they circumvent the lowering of their standards of living is by not letting the market decide the minimum wage and then like a few minutes later to make another point he says that thats why they let the market decide xD....
jonathan camarena Ah yes, the fabled invisible free hand of the market. That old chessnut, GOP have been pitching that one for decades.
listening to this was worth it for the last bit. I think these discussions should start with Destiny saying that for every anecdote or personal experience the person says, he'll say one of his own and then round up how many there were in conclusions before finishing with calling the person out on the facts like he did here.
Don't know much about US / CAN, but over here construction guys make really good money. Most blue collar jobs pay much better than service industry jobs and lot of white collar jobs.
Play this video with the Entry of the Gladiators (Thunder and Blazes) theme without laughing.
I feel like the "it ain't much but its honest work" meme is appropriate here
A degree in jazz performance?
This guy doesn’t recognize a difference between construction site helpers and haulers that make $14/hour and red seal tradesmen who make $35/hour
It's funny how his opinion changed when walked through each individual injury.
I really don’t get the claim that this wall will significantly reduce or even stop illegal drugs from entering the U.S. Cartels use plane drops, cars, and tunnels (look at the tunnels that El Chapo’s crew was able to construct in mere days). EDIT: I forgot to also include the use of boats to smuggle drugs in.
is mayonnaise a luxury good?
Kyle Dejos not the self made kind :^)
No, Kyle mayonnaise isn't a luxury good... horseradish isn't either.
He was an electrician and then he switched to a different manual labor job, and then another, and another! DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
This may be on obvious observation but it sounds like this dude was just grinding weed and smoking the entire time. WTF was I hearing on the Canadian's end?
he is doing a better job dismantling his own argument than destiny is
Really basic thing but don’t ever allow these people to get away with “half the population voted for Donald”. Not even half the population voted at all.
my argument has always been its about more than the wall you can build a wall but you still need to protect it and in olden times that would be impossible but now with motion sensors, FLIR, and drones it can be done without using landmines
Bro, we dont care about your wall being built or not, we dont want to pay for your government’s stupid projects thats where the outrage came from from our side. Built a moat and fill it with alligators and flamethrowers. But use your taxes to pay for it.
@@ericktellez7632 it can be done with landmines as well
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It cant tho, as far as I remember, the agreements after world war 2 prohibited the use of weapons meant for war into international points of crossing. Thats also why the border between ireland and the UK was controversial, they were using bombs in the borders.
@@ericktellez7632 it was more of a statement on what id be ok with
"Im still willing to take a chance". Lolwhat? Thats a very big chance your taking with everyone's money.
Stop arguing against anecdotes.
Truck drivers, electricians, plumbers and welders beat those wages of those white collar jobs all day. They also have zero student loan debt and were, in fact, being paid to learn their job and increase their earning power. Look into apprenticeships, Destiny.
Even nurses have a higher average salary than all those professions. You are right they are well paying and people should look into them. But Destiny’s point is that people should have more options available.
i think the craziest thing i took out of this convo was that....CANADA HAS 35M PPL! California has more people than canada....
Is that you, Chris Griffin?
this guy sounds so much like unkle adams lmaoooo
Almost everyone who makes an argument on this channel.
"Once upon a time, there was this ugly girl who was constantly made fun of. So she went to school and became a engineer. One day, her features evened out and she became super hot, and became a model instead. She married a rich guy and never worked again.
The moral of the story is; making fun of people encourages people, school is a waste of time for all women, and every girl can become a model or marry a rich guy."
ugh. unemployment in Alberta has nothing to do with immigrants, it has to do with the variability of the petrochemical market and global oil prices. I don't even live in Canada and apparently I know more about the nuances of blue collar work than this homeboy.
i love waiting the few seconds after something retarded is said for chat to jump on it
Victoria is the highest cost of living in Canada? Doesn't he mean Ontario?
This guy is actually not "too far gone"
He just has a few fundamental flaws that prevent him from seeing the obvious. Most of his concerns are valid and relevant, but they are problems with insufficiantly regulated capitalism and they won't go away by reducing immigration. The drain on peoples economic resources and worktime come from the enourmous profits companys and very few rich people are allowed to have and from the unjust system of property distribution
I know that you don't have to adress every single fact that is incorrect, but at 1:16:39 -ish, he just lets the man believe that the quality of life has gone down because "hurr durr capitalism"? Obviously the market is moving forward, globalism is not something that we can halt. Halting progress has never worked since the introduction of ... speech. There are arguments to be had for supervising certain aspects of globalism. For example pure capitalism would be too harsh against certain people, there would be nothing stopping the decrement of wages for the working class. Alongside every step of progress mankind has lost something, for example wheat fields were hell to work at (in comparison to hunting), but now people had food. It allowed us to move forward and better the equipment and invent the wheel and such. Halting progress because you want your local farm market food and days spent at a lake fishing is a bit idealistic. You don't need all this extra stuff, but it is supposed to help people move things along better, hence the standardized homes that weren't built by your neighbours and community. You move forward so that you can reinstate that old luxury, throughout there have been times where we went the wrong way and it took way too long, but that is what you got to strive for.
Did this guy really load his gun on stream
7/11 WAS A PART TIME JOB!!!