Yeah they do this with guns too. "You're politisizing this and basically pushing on their graves to promote your agenda". Like how long before we start talking solutions? A month? Two years?
Given that the rest of the world is quarantining and investing trillions into containing this outbreak, you can bet that we'd want to cut trade ties and impose severe travel restrictions on the US if they just let the outbreak spread unchecked, because letting potentially infected people in from the US would undermine everything we've worked to prevent. It would not just mean the death of millions of Americans, it would also harm your economy beyond repair in the long run.
Do you think three million Americans dying or the economy being shut down for say, six months would be more detrimental to society as a whole? You don’t need to answer, the society being shut down long-term would be far worse. You guys are mocking this guy and have zero logical perspective. It’s hilarious.
He’s both defending the executive branch and claiming the government doesn’t nothing right. He contradicts himself after every claim he makes.... America is the most prepared, yet Korea is better because of reasons....
Look at Taiwan. They're doing really well too. And they didn't even have to do shelter in place. They just started a response really early. We can't do what they're doing though because it's too late.
@@무군 you had essentially a military junta for a while so nah, you weren't much better then the North. The more you go from shit that you've done in Cold War times the less you fuckers will look like a dictatorship.
@@EsotericOccultist My dude, we live in reality, a place where things happen because of reasons. Maybe if Trump hadn't been a massive piece of shit since he announced his candidacy, people wouldn't be up his ass all the time.
We're in a car that is driving towards a cliff. Me: We should probably do something before we go off this cliff. This Guy: We're not off the cliff yet so there's no problem. Also, the government and Obama made the cliff and they suck. Destiny Thinking: God I hate Vaush. This whole debate.
"We're in a car that is driving towards a cliff. Me: We should probably do something before we go off this cliff. This Guy: We're not off the cliff yet so there's no problem. Also, the government and Obama made the cliff and they suck." This is a lazy strawman of the guests position. He didn't say Covid-19 wasn't a problem ; he said the problem is being overblown and made out to be worse than what it actually is.
@@ravinglibertopian3226 nope he's saying that they have the predictions about mask shortages. The predictions are simple stuff like whe x number of doctors, at then need y amount of masks per day for each doctor to be able to have a clean mask with each new patient. This is then mutlplied by number of days. This is simple math ffs that this guy says we can't use in coordinating probably the biggest crises we have faced.
i must say, when i got a tumor i had in my leg identified and removed for about 150€ i was really sad i wasnt in america blowing old dudes to pay medical costs
@@joshsmith2723 That was supposed to make it more humorous. I thought about making it "lift with your legs"....I even thought to say "lift with your back; not your bias". So many options and now you're making me doubt my life. 😂
Morph Kogan have you ever bought something that has a “made in China” tag. And when you opened it up it wasn’t quite what you expected? That’s the healthcare in China. Officially they have Govt reimbursement but it rarely works out that way. Most of the time people have to pay out of their pocket.
We're watching, in real time, someone jumping through the mental hoops of partisan politics. The thing is, I don't think this guy is being malicious, but he actually believes everything he says.
Unfortunately, I don't know how but sometimes normally smart people can still be susceptible to brain worms. It's statistically less likely, sure, but it happens. Look at someone like Ben Carson. A brilliant neurosurgeon, but dumb as a bag of rocks in all other regards. I assume these people slept through their gen-ed humanities and history courses in college and filled the hole with fox news and Breitbart.
Destiny, please balance your audio levels before posting. At the same time that your voice is nearly inaudible, it feels like this other guy is shouting in my ear. I had to stop after 10 minutes.
this is not an issue that is easily (if at all) fixable after date of airing, he would have to have set the levels correctly during the stream which is relatively difficult to do as it requires monitoring in real-time which can be disorienting due to latency
The current administration inherits what the previous administration leaves them.....that's how previous administrations could be held responsible. However, Trump and John Bolton shut down and fired the very Pandemic Preparedness Team that was specifically designed during Obama's Administration to be ready. This put the Trump Administration on very weak footing.
I think it kinda comes from Conservatives wanting to ‘own the libs’ after hearing for so long that Trump inherited a thriving economy. ‘If Obama can still get credit for that success, he should also assume the blame for this failure to prepare’ is as the logic goes, flawed as it is. They don’t account for the effects of the current president’s inaction.
No you don't get it. When the government does things I don't like, it's because they're bad. When they do things I do like, it's DESPITE them being bad. Just logic bruh.
Such uninformed nonsense, and a classic case of cherry picking the data to match your conclusion. We don't have a "socialist healthcare system" so we'll be fine? Look up the demographics of those who got sick in Italy. Look at how well the "socialist healthcare" is doing in Germany (compare the stature and preparedness of Merkel vs Trump)
@@NLJeffEU NY has nothing to do with it. LCTR just couldn't resist to say socialism ruined Italy's response. Just a jab at an average conservative response
Well... 1. China welded the doors of appartments shut and removed infected by force and completly locked down all travel from infected areas 2. Italy has a much smaller population than the US.
Dumb comments like yours are a problem. People that are to stupid to realize its dumb, start repeating it and make their whole party look stupid. Everyone already stated the flaws with your comment, but id also like to add that the total number infected is irrelevant. The total number will be the same regardless what we do. The whole point is to let this ridw through the country in a controllable way. To fast and hospital's get over burdened, to slow and the economy takes unnecessary damage. Ideally people will get sick as fast as hospitals can keep up with it.
@@Fadeinwow Wow you really just called my comment dumb and in the same paragraph, said the ideal situation is everybody in the world getting sick, as long as the hospitals can take them in. I would also like to say I posted this comment 1 month ago, and United states had around 85k cases. Now they are at over 1 million cases.
I mean the first thing Destiny did was imply that he remembered Trump being late on banning travel to China when everyone on destiny's side criticized him for doing so. No way Destiny would have proposed the travel ban himself at that time. You can say he was late in calling for complete lockdown but you cant say he was late in taking precautions. It also sounds like destiny is doing all the gymnastics necessary to avoid acknowledging preparations from trump.
@@bingbung He restricted flights from China and then stopped at that. What stopped him from just closing all borders and flights? Honestly As far as I've read the most appropiate response was SK. It's a real stretch to say any other gov was prepared for this.
@@bingbung This is the only retort that Trump supporters seem to have and it's not even a good one. Even after the so-called travel ban was instated there were still planes arriving from China well after that point. they also have no other explanation for any of the other missteps that Trump took throughout this whole pandemic. The man clearly said that the virus was contained when it was not and when there were 15 cases he said it was nothing to worry about and it would soon be zero. The number of cases is now over 30,000. It's pretty clear that he is largely mishandled this process which makes sense because he has no idea what he's doing.
@@bingbung I mean let's be real. The guy basically absolved Trump of any blame but at the same time blame Democrats for everything. he said he didn't want to politicize anything yet gave the most partisan responses to every possible situation. Then Destiny bent him over backwards when he realized that he was being completely hypocritical over the difference between Obama and Trump when it came to Iraq versus Afghanistan and Iran versus North Korea. I'm not sure who follows that conservative TH-camr but man is he dumb
Highly specializing in one field doesn't mean you are smart about everything else. An example might be all the STEM nerds who don't know how to not be cringey in public. Not being cringey is "easy", but some people still struggle with it.
@@lebeaumuni6247 I know a brilliant programmer that had difficulty scripting an orbit based game because he had absolutely *NO* basic understanding of Newtonian Physics (and kept assigning the Time Variable to the frame rate 🤦) and had no idea what vectors are.🤷
LCTFfan is so partisan it hurts my brain. It's like watching two boomers debate. I belong to blank party for blank reasons, therefore all things that party does are good, and all things blank party does are bad. Talk about a gross oversimplification of politics.
If I move into a condo with a ton of flammable fire-hazardy stuff that the previous tenant left and the place catches on fire two years into my tenancy, im not going to tell the landlord it's not my fault because the previous tenant left all these fire hazards around. What a dishonest, lazy argument.
"if you're gonna blame obama for depleting the n95 mask stockpile, why can't i blame trump for not refilling it?" "you can blame trump for that, but the easy response is, obama was the one that depleted it"
@@EsotericOccultist I mean the Mueller reports ended up making the govt money, but sure just keep lieing its not obvious that your part of cult or anything.
@@EsotericOccultist odd to look back at comments made by trumpists and see how oblivious they was to reality. The Mueller investigation put many people in jail, including friends of Trump. Trump was president for three years when covid came around. Blaming Obama for your responsibilities is pretty pathetic from the party of personal responsibility. 2 impeachments and one insurrection later you managed to support the most corrupt president in the history of the United States. And I would bet good money you're no closer to reality as you were 2 years ago
Oh my fucking god. "Trump did a great job with north korea" "Trump did nothing with north korea" "Well you cant blame trump for not solving north korea" I'm going to murder myself
I can see why this guy is a lawyer.....he struggles to see both sides of the coin.....as soon as he starts seeing the edge of the coin....he freaks out and refuses to see the other side. THE PERFECT LAWYER!!!
Why is he so nice to LCTRfan? He said so many horribly dumb things and Destiny just lets him walk through it all. LCTRfan makes so many unfounded claims.
@@user-rj8ui5ht3j exactly. They just think he has no responses, and his audience is left to think that this guy is reasonable when he is clearly every bit a bad faith ideologue that the "lefties" Destiny flips his shit about are. He's arguably worse, since the effects of his ignorance are going to get people killed.
KaapaKoopa9 4.5M total cases, 150k deaths, still has an overwhelming lead on every other countries (thats not a good thing) yeah handled really well dawg!!
I'm a medical student in nyc. We set up a PPE donating org for healthcare workers. Nurses and doctors traveled across boroughs for even 2-3 N95s when we could find them. We donated a quarter million pieces of PPE. The shortage was not overblown.
@@absurdandy4122 he seems pretty dull and that he dosnt know any specifics so he speaks in big general terms. I would only recommend this guy to my worst enemies.
"Everything the government does that I like is ok and everything the government does that I dislike is overreach". There, save yourself an hour and 45 min.
I mean I follow quite a few healthcare professionals on social media and they haven't been saying "Wow we have an abundance of PPE this is wonderful!" it is, in fact, the opposite. So to hear this kid in the first 8 minutes spout something so far removed from reality is just astounding
The NHS is awesome, I have really no idea how people can say we're not doing well in the UK because of our 'socialist' healthcare. It's an incredibly popular institution with the British public. I'm absolutely certain healthcare in the US is nowhere even close to being as popular amongst Americans as the NHS is amongst the British.
I've lived in the States. I'm Canadian. I was there in the 90s when Hillary was pushing for more universal healthcare. The conversation was fucking insane. The American population exists within an overwhelming propaganda machine. I heard so many anecdotes about Canadian healthcare, but never any statistics.
It could be because of the whole herd imunnity fiasco, that was a pretty stupid take. Now as an American I would happily burn my insurance card if the NHS system of bitten came here
Travel ban from China didn't stop US citizens from traveling from China to US so it was useless at best. It's not just about how capitalist US can take care of patients "better" than socialized healthcare countries. Prevention is first step so you don't have to even go to taking care of patients until it's necessary. In Finland we have our most highly populated region which is also most infected closed. No travel in or out without very good reason. During Easter some idiots drove to border only to get forced to turn around by police. Many fines were given out to repeat offenders for disobeying the order.
Yeah...Over here in Germany, we have cancelled mass events three weeks ago, have send whoever possible into home offices, closed schools and limited contacts two weeks ago and did a complete contact ban two weeks ago and we are praying that it was enough and that we might, just might, be able to losen some restriction eventually and don't run out of ICU beds in the meantime -and we have more of those in balance of population numbers than ANY other country.
This aged really well 🤣 Italy is falling apart because of socialist medical system Monday: Italy proceeds to send over a shit ton of supplies to USA to help us out ......
Hi, I work with multiple hospitals as a paramedic. All four major hospitals in our area are overwhelmed, and we are in one of the least affected states.
@@TrollinFromFlask let him meme guy he doesn't do many debaits apparently those are heavy staple words in debaits so they can clarify and sometimes start a narrative to pigeonhole ppl useing there own Words
Alexander Kalkainen no, I think this is the numbskull who destiny debated back in late 2018 who claimed he practiced law in New York for three years and in turns out he was an assistant who never took the Bar exam.
Destiny: Well Trump’s actions are quite bad, if yo- Cuckservatives: Obama is bad Destiny: Well yeah sure, but if- Cuckservatives: OBAMA did something worse Destiny: Okay, but if you look at Trumps actions alone you would see that- Cuckservatives: BUT WHAT THE FUCK STOP IGNORING OBUMAHH
Oh god, I used some of the same arguments a while ago...hearing them echoed back to me from this guy makes me realize how horribly ignorant and stupid I sounded...
Destiny is wrong that States aren’t starting to issue fines for being out in public. Hawaii has issued $75 citations so far for people even just being by themselves outside
As a European who didn't take this seriously until it got really serious really quickly I'm pretty sure that this guy will regret what he said in this conversation a few weeks from now. Best of luck Americans, stay at home!
*8:34* A teen from Lancaster, CA died this week from CoVid-19. His death most likely could've been prevented had he not been turned away from his local urgent care center and instead told to drive to a hospital that would accept him some 30-45min away since he had no health insurance.
@King Charles If the Coronavirus doesn't do it, then nothing in the foreseeable future will. Until your country suffers like Europe did in the 1940s, you won't have universal healthcare.
King Charles your potential presidential nominees this election cycle are Biden and Trump, in which none of them are advocates for a single payer system. If Biden wins the presidency then that potentially rids the country of a progressive movement for a long time, your most progressive senator has lost the opportunity to be the presidential nominee twice now and no one is in line to carry that torch. Who’s the next great progressive hope for the US?
King Charles how will you achieve a national form of socialism under the current system without the progressive movement? America is barely a democracy, it’s more resemblant of a capitalist plutocracy. Back to my original point; unless something tragic happens to your nation, it’s unlikely you’ll get Universal Healthcare. As sad as that is.
Can we just appreciate that this man is apparently a lawyer, however in all of his years at law school and years in practice he has yet to understand how to make a coherent argument
this guy makes me so mad. "The deathrate is one percent or even lower." Yeah,no. For example, in Italy there are currently more than 80.000 infected people and more than 8000 died already. Thats a deathrate of 10 percent! in Spain it's currently at seven percent. While i admit that these are two of the countrys most affected by the virus, even the WHO estimates a deathrate of arround 4 percent. What makes this guy think that America is immune against the virus spreading in a similar way or even worse. I live in Germany and we are lucky to have a relatively low deathrate, with 43.000 infected and "only" 270 dead. But we all know that that could change in a matter of days, so most of us are reasonable and stay at home (We had to have our government introduce certain rules, tho, because people are idiots and only care about themselves, so if you for example have a Party outside you can get fined etc.) We HAVE to flatten the curve to prevent our healthcare system from collapsing and causing even more peolpe to die. And thats the case in every country right now. Yes, there are major problems when it comes to the economy right now all around the world that need to be fixed but this guy is seriously underestimating the seriousness of a worldwide pandemic with potentially millions of deaths.
The guy he's debating seems super partisan and has an answer (not saying they're good) for every legitimate point Destiny talks about. Seems incapable of admitting when Republicans or Trump do negative things or have negative policies or actions.
if you have never had pneumonia please know that a disease like this that is so hard hitting respiratorily will DISABLE you for life if you are not treated properly and urgently. and god forbid it passed to someone like me who has asthma, or immune system deficiences, or the elderly. it can and will take peace from your life and give you chronic illness. this is a pandemic to be taken seriously.
Yea, I definitely don't miss the right wing debates as much as I thought I did. These people are truly insufferable and long gone. We need to try and find people that are still slipping down the slope toward full on reality distortion. Once they're there, it's useless talking with them.
As someone from the UK, the NHS has been underfunded for years partly due to austerity measures from conservative governments. To suggest the NHS is failing under it's own weight is a total misrepresentation. Also our response to the pandemic was very late.
Hey, LTCRFan, the Iranian deal is still going. Every other country that signed the Iranian nuclear deal are still honoring it. The only result is the USA lost all diplomatic influence over Iran.
Commercial litigation. Law is hyper specialized, knowing how to handle yourself in one branch does not mean you know anything about Constitutional law.
*elmonchis2* Yeah, I wouldn’t expect a patent lawyer to have specialization and technical knowledge in divorce proceedings. However, I would expect both a patent lawyer and divorce lawyer to be trained in a similar way of thinking. Some specific skills in deductive and inductive logic; I’d expect all lawyers to be similarly trained in a sound way of discerning information.
“stop politicizing everything” *proceeds to politicize everything*
Classic hypocritical conservative move. I feel that's true so often that I think I'm being redundant.
Yeah they do this with guns too. "You're politisizing this and basically pushing on their graves to promote your agenda".
Like how long before we start talking solutions? A month? Two years?
This is what right wingers do.
ONLY A SITH DEALS IN ABSOLUTES
It should totally be possible to have conversations without politicising everything, BUT THE GODDAMN DEMOCRATS-
"I'd rather 3 million Americans die" Real Patriot there.
Tell him they will be trump voters in swing States he will care .
Given that the rest of the world is quarantining and investing trillions into containing this outbreak, you can bet that we'd want to cut trade ties and impose severe travel restrictions on the US if they just let the outbreak spread unchecked, because letting potentially infected people in from the US would undermine everything we've worked to prevent.
It would not just mean the death of millions of Americans, it would also harm your economy beyond repair in the long run.
Conservative thinking: "Only grampa will die, good, I will get my inheritance, I earned it!"
Do you think three million Americans dying or the economy being shut down for say, six months would be more detrimental to society as a whole? You don’t need to answer, the society being shut down long-term would be far worse. You guys are mocking this guy and have zero logical perspective. It’s hilarious.
@@adambernon6930 You do know we don't need to shut down the economy completely, nor for 6 months, only for 2 weeks, right?
This guy is the literal "it was Obama's fault" meme.
Imagine using this excuse in fucking 2020
They're still blaming Obama even though their guy has been in office 3+ years. Does it take 3 years to restock N95 masks?
If your gonna be consistent, why was Obama taking credit for the “good” economy?
@@bhorning2 trolling or serious?
Thanks Obama.
He’s both defending the executive branch and claiming the government doesn’t nothing right.
He contradicts himself after every claim he makes.... America is the most prepared, yet Korea is better because of reasons....
Korea is better because it's a dictatorship. He wants Trump to be a dictator that rules over america via iron lung.
I think that is called getting destroyed.
Look at Taiwan. They're doing really well too. And they didn't even have to do shelter in place. They just started a response really early. We can't do what they're doing though because it's too late.
@@ShawnWeeded510 Do you think the Korea they are talking about is North Korea or something?
@@무군 you had essentially a military junta for a while so nah, you weren't much better then the North. The more you go from shit that you've done in Cold War times the less you fuckers will look like a dictatorship.
"Omg how dare you politicize this political issue"
@@EsotericOccultist Shithead has people complaining about him shitting all over the floor and furniture from day one. More news at 11.
EsotericOccultist holy shit you’re triggered lmao
EsotericOccultist trump and his trumpanzees are such snowflakes!!
@@EsotericOccultist My dude, we live in reality, a place where things happen because of reasons. Maybe if Trump hadn't been a massive piece of shit since he announced his candidacy, people wouldn't be up his ass all the time.
@@EsotericOccultist you think it could have been all the racist rhetoric he was spouting before getting into office?
In Georgia they're already at capacity. No more room in their ICU. So that guys comments took less than 24 hours to be proven wrong.
republican governor btw
The sad joke of exponential growth. This brainjob wants to wait until we can directly see the problem, but by then we're already too late.
To be fair, he could be right In the and this could be overblown. But I'd rather an over reaction than under reaction.
That's quite heartbreaking to hear. There have been so many blunders in the American response to the crisis and it will cost many lives.
@@robgeach8105 Democratic governor in NY btw.
We're in a car that is driving towards a cliff.
Me: We should probably do something before we go off this cliff.
This Guy: We're not off the cliff yet so there's no problem. Also, the government and Obama made the cliff and they suck.
Destiny Thinking: God I hate Vaush.
This whole debate.
"We're in a car that is driving towards a cliff.
Me: We should probably do something before we go off this cliff.
This Guy: We're not off the cliff yet so there's no problem. Also, the government and Obama made the cliff and they suck."
This is a lazy strawman of the guests position. He didn't say Covid-19 wasn't a problem ; he said the problem is being overblown and made out to be worse than what it actually is.
@@ravinglibertopian3226 nope he's saying that they have the predictions about mask shortages. The predictions are simple stuff like whe x number of doctors, at then need y amount of masks per day for each doctor to be able to have a clean mask with each new patient. This is then mutlplied by number of days. This is simple math ffs that this guy says we can't use in coordinating probably the biggest crises we have faced.
Lol at his "Italy being overrun because of socialist healthcare" argument.
Meanwhile they need to build 4 hospitals is NY alone 😂 I dont see any system that can manage a pandemic like this.
It's like he forgot completely about South Korea (universal healthcare + comparatively good outcomes)
In Canada here, we're doing pretty well too.
Looking at NYC I can tell you that the Italy argument wont Age very well
i must say, when i got a tumor i had in my leg identified and removed for about 150€ i was really sad i wasnt in america blowing old dudes to pay medical costs
LCTRfan is gonna throw out his back with all this cherry picking.
My dude....lift with your knees....not your bias.
Lmao that's good
Curt Bressler
I’m stealing this k?
What youre saying isn’t wrong but who says “lift with your knees” 😂 it’s “lift with your legs”
@@joshsmith2723 That was supposed to make it more humorous. I thought about making it "lift with your legs"....I even thought to say "lift with your back; not your bias".
So many options and now you're making me doubt my life. 😂
Funny how he left out the fact that South Korea has a Universal Healthcare system.
That's a shame Destiny didn't say that
Morph Kogan also that China has an insurance based system.
@@rafeekgafoor8084 isn't it mixed?
Morph Kogan have you ever bought something that has a “made in China” tag. And when you opened it up it wasn’t quite what you expected? That’s the healthcare in China. Officially they have Govt reimbursement but it rarely works out that way. Most of the time people have to pay out of their pocket.
South Korea has a mixed system. They have universal healthcare but at the same time,the majority of people them also buy privatized healthcare.
We're watching, in real time, someone jumping through the mental hoops of partisan politics.
The thing is, I don't think this guy is being malicious, but he actually believes everything he says.
SierrasSuicidal he sounds kinda like he’s 20 but dunno if age is really a factor of how he would consume the information he’s giving out.
"Wah wah wah stop saying mean things about Trump wah wah wah" for an entire debate. This is exacerbating my depression.
Ikr?? My God I want to slap the shit out of people like this.
"Man on Titanic stares at oncoming iceberg, says it is no problem because the collision is 'imminent, but hasn't happened yet.'"
Let's be honest.... There is a 95% chance that he is lying about what he does for a living
100 percent
Nah, get out of your bubble
@@coreyander286 I refuse to believe this guy can read more than 2 paragraphs at a time
Unfortunately, I don't know how but sometimes normally smart people can still be susceptible to brain worms. It's statistically less likely, sure, but it happens. Look at someone like Ben Carson. A brilliant neurosurgeon, but dumb as a bag of rocks in all other regards. I assume these people slept through their gen-ed humanities and history courses in college and filled the hole with fox news and Breitbart.
Michael Bush yes thank you I hate people who are extremely biased this guy probably is a lawyer but propaganda is a hell of a drug.
Destiny, please balance your audio levels before posting. At the same time that your voice is nearly inaudible, it feels like this other guy is shouting in my ear. I had to stop after 10 minutes.
Tbf, he probably is shouting
this is not an issue that is easily (if at all) fixable after date of airing, he would have to have set the levels correctly during the stream which is relatively difficult to do as it requires monitoring in real-time which can be disorienting due to latency
@@fruitlessworship not true, you can compress the audio pretty easily and make the overall audio levels a lot more similar
@@lesslists compressing the entire audio file is a very messy fix to what is not even unreasonably balanced levels
It got better after you stopped listening
Yikes, Trump has these idiots hypnotized. His response has been disastrous in every way.
Yeah destiny is right on trump being sort of right in one way but being typical Trump doing a 180 back to idiocy
K Rr Satanic? Found the guy afraid of imaginary monsters.
Why blame the lack of *current* crisis response on the previous administration instead of the incompetence of the *current* administration?
because that would make sense
Because anything bad a conservative president does is actually the fault of whatever the last dem president was
@Ben Reilly
Because Trump is a pathological liar and he knows his stupid supporters will believe him.
The current administration inherits what the previous administration leaves them.....that's how previous administrations could be held responsible. However, Trump and John Bolton shut down and fired the very Pandemic Preparedness Team that was specifically designed during Obama's Administration to be ready. This put the Trump Administration on very weak footing.
I think it kinda comes from Conservatives wanting to ‘own the libs’ after hearing for so long that Trump inherited a thriving economy. ‘If Obama can still get credit for that success, he should also assume the blame for this failure to prepare’ is as the logic goes, flawed as it is. They don’t account for the effects of the current president’s inaction.
LCTR: “The government and the bureaucracy screw things up.”
Also LCTR: “President Trump did everything right.” Y’all.....make it make sense 🥴😑😪
No you don't get it. When the government does things I don't like, it's because they're bad. When they do things I do like, it's DESPITE them being bad. Just logic bruh.
@@IMatchoNation In other words, sometimes they do good things. Right Bruh?
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Such uninformed nonsense, and a classic case of cherry picking the data to match your conclusion. We don't have a "socialist healthcare system" so we'll be fine? Look up the demographics of those who got sick in Italy. Look at how well the "socialist healthcare" is doing in Germany (compare the stature and preparedness of Merkel vs Trump)
25/3/2020 I guarantee you that NYC Is going to surpass Italy by next week and Triple that On Eastern
Dont forget italy got 60+ million people. State of NY around 20.
EZ, it's because of SOCIALISM
libs destroyed
@@brandonden795 isnt NY like the biggest financial center in the world? 😂😂 how does that go hand in hand with socialism haha
@@NLJeffEU NY has nothing to do with it. LCTR just couldn't resist to say socialism ruined Italy's response. Just a jab at an average conservative response
Man, this clip didn’t age well. And it’s only been about a week.
ooohhh boi you dont even know
@@vicentegodoy5493 can confirm 2 months later
4 months later
7 months later...
Happy new year🍾
So Ironic seeing the US pass China and Italy in confirmed cases while im listening to this guy say how well America is combating the coronavirus.
Well...
1. China welded the doors of appartments shut and removed infected by force and completly locked down all travel from infected areas
2. Italy has a much smaller population than the US.
@khali edwards As time goes on that seems to be the case. honestly, china probably shot the infected to keep the Covid-19 numbers down XD.
China lies. 2500urns alone just from 2 trucks from wuhan where spoted and taken pictures, so imagine... China probably lost around 50k people.
Dumb comments like yours are a problem. People that are to stupid to realize its dumb, start repeating it and make their whole party look stupid. Everyone already stated the flaws with your comment, but id also like to add that the total number infected is irrelevant. The total number will be the same regardless what we do. The whole point is to let this ridw through the country in a controllable way. To fast and hospital's get over burdened, to slow and the economy takes unnecessary damage. Ideally people will get sick as fast as hospitals can keep up with it.
@@Fadeinwow Wow you really just called my comment dumb and in the same paragraph, said the ideal situation is everybody in the world getting sick, as long as the hospitals can take them in. I would also like to say I posted this comment 1 month ago, and United states had around 85k cases. Now they are at over 1 million cases.
This guy is just sticking his fingers in his ears and ignoring any facts to ensure that Trump is absolved of all blame.
I mean the first thing Destiny did was imply that he remembered Trump being late on banning travel to China when everyone on destiny's side criticized him for doing so. No way Destiny would have proposed the travel ban himself at that time. You can say he was late in calling for complete lockdown but you cant say he was late in taking precautions. It also sounds like destiny is doing all the gymnastics necessary to avoid acknowledging preparations from trump.
@@bingbung He restricted flights from China and then stopped at that. What stopped him from just closing all borders and flights? Honestly As far as I've read the most appropiate response was SK. It's a real stretch to say any other gov was prepared for this.
@@WarningBFG-isHiring are you really gonna take a jab at my fucking race right now? Fuck you racist
@@bingbung This is the only retort that Trump supporters seem to have and it's not even a good one. Even after the so-called travel ban was instated there were still planes arriving from China well after that point. they also have no other explanation for any of the other missteps that Trump took throughout this whole pandemic. The man clearly said that the virus was contained when it was not and when there were 15 cases he said it was nothing to worry about and it would soon be zero. The number of cases is now over 30,000. It's pretty clear that he is largely mishandled this process which makes sense because he has no idea what he's doing.
@@bingbung I mean let's be real. The guy basically absolved Trump of any blame but at the same time blame Democrats for everything. he said he didn't want to politicize anything yet gave the most partisan responses to every possible situation. Then Destiny bent him over backwards when he realized that he was being completely hypocritical over the difference between Obama and Trump when it came to Iraq versus Afghanistan and Iran versus North Korea. I'm not sure who follows that conservative TH-camr but man is he dumb
Literally going from "obama reduced the PPE stockpile!"
To "it is the hospital's responsibility to have enough PPE on standby"
This aged really well. 342k deaths in the US and counting. Roughly 3% death rate with convergence seemingly around 2.6%.
how is this guy a lawyer?
Not hard to become one
@@jimmybaker4821 And Mike still couldn't pass the bar PepeLaugh
Being a lawyer doesn't make you immune from being a tard about viruses and epidemics
Highly specializing in one field doesn't mean you are smart about everything else. An example might be all the STEM nerds who don't know how to not be cringey in public. Not being cringey is "easy", but some people still struggle with it.
@@lebeaumuni6247 I know a brilliant programmer that had difficulty scripting an orbit based game because he had absolutely *NO* basic understanding of Newtonian Physics (and kept assigning the Time Variable to the frame rate 🤦) and had no idea what vectors are.🤷
LCTFfan is so partisan it hurts my brain. It's like watching two boomers debate. I belong to blank party for blank reasons, therefore all things that party does are good, and all things blank party does are bad. Talk about a gross oversimplification of politics.
If I move into a condo with a ton of flammable fire-hazardy stuff that the previous tenant left and the place catches on fire two years into my tenancy, im not going to tell the landlord it's not my fault because the previous tenant left all these fire hazards around. What a dishonest, lazy argument.
1:00:11 tell the landlord it's not my fault "it's tha SHWAAAAAAAAAAMP"
how tf a lawyer making fox news arguments
Lawyers can be Republican too?
@@WarningBFG-isHiring Too bad you'll never know if your lawyer is republican or democrat, paranoia imminent
The fuckin president does and you're surprised a lawyer can?
As a lawyer, rest assured there are a lot of stupid fkn lawyers
@@EsotericOccultist Thing is I didn't go to law school to be so easily manipulated by headlines in Fox News.
"if you're gonna blame obama for depleting the n95 mask stockpile, why can't i blame trump for not refilling it?"
"you can blame trump for that, but the easy response is, obama was the one that depleted it"
@@EsotericOccultist The "useless investigations" didn't cost anything.
@@EsotericOccultist I mean the Mueller reports ended up making the govt money, but sure just keep lieing its not obvious that your part of cult or anything.
@@EsotericOccultist odd to look back at comments made by trumpists and see how oblivious they was to reality. The Mueller investigation put many people in jail, including friends of Trump. Trump was president for three years when covid came around. Blaming Obama for your responsibilities is pretty pathetic from the party of personal responsibility. 2 impeachments and one insurrection later you managed to support the most corrupt president in the history of the United States. And I would bet good money you're no closer to reality as you were 2 years ago
If your liberty infringes on another's life you are no longer entitled to liberty.
*** no longer entitled to that specific liberty.
@@user-nv9vn8fm1d eh, depends on the infraction I guess!
@@slimthecatdad Eh. Good point.
Personal freedom requires personal responsibility
Hahahaha, this is going to Age like milk. LCTRfan is quite delusional.
Like the rest of the trumpsters. Unfortunately, its quite depressing.
Chunky milk
Chris Simpson 1 million confirmed cases, this is so fucking depressing how can anyone defend trumps response to this
@@aarongutierrez7705 4 million now. trump is doing an amazing job!
Jack Horowitz LMAO
Oh my fucking god.
"Trump did a great job with north korea"
"Trump did nothing with north korea"
"Well you cant blame trump for not solving north korea"
I'm going to murder myself
I can see why this guy is a lawyer.....he struggles to see both sides of the coin.....as soon as he starts seeing the edge of the coin....he freaks out and refuses to see the other side.
THE PERFECT LAWYER!!!
Why is he so nice to LCTRfan? He said so many horribly dumb things and Destiny just lets him walk through it all. LCTRfan makes so many unfounded claims.
@@user-rj8ui5ht3j exactly. They just think he has no responses, and his audience is left to think that this guy is reasonable when he is clearly every bit a bad faith ideologue that the "lefties" Destiny flips his shit about are. He's arguably worse, since the effects of his ignorance are going to get people killed.
This dudes arguments aged like milk
17:22 22:17 those quotes aged well
Lol
2 months later and these quotes aged real well *chefs kiss*
KaapaKoopa9 4.5M total cases, 150k deaths, still has an overwhelming lead on every other countries (thats not a good thing) yeah handled really well dawg!!
@@rubikbbx IDK if I can handle all this winning! 🤣🤣🤣👌🏾
6 months later 200k+ deaths from the most prepared country lol
Lets see what happens in 2 weeks.
This guy in a nutshell:
BUT OBAMA..
BUT THE DEMOCRATS..
TRUMP IS GOD..
I'm a medical student in nyc. We set up a PPE donating org for healthcare workers. Nurses and doctors traveled across boroughs for even 2-3 N95s when we could find them. We donated a quarter million pieces of PPE.
The shortage was not overblown.
Plus that thing he said on us healthcare being better or prepared than Italy's or Spain's is plain wrong an uninformed
Diocane
@@GKJusticar55 mortacci loro
I mean the US isn’t even close to Italy’s death rate yet, why is that?
@@ilovejvopranks6164 give it a week
@@ilovejvopranks6164 Italy has a really high aging population, that's one of the reasons
I'm now convinced anyone can become a lawyer.
Honestly
@@absurdandy4122 he seems pretty dull and that he dosnt know any specifics so he speaks in big general terms. I would only recommend this guy to my worst enemies.
Something clicked for me an hour in. This guy sounds like DarkSydePhil.
I don't see it tbh
A little, but CRP actually has Phil’s conceited laugh
More like Chael Sonnen.
"hospitals getting overwhelmed is just an assumption to hurt trump" that aged like milk
"Everything the government does that I like is ok and everything the government does that I dislike is overreach".
There, save yourself an hour and 45 min.
Guest: "The left are way overhyping the coronavirus"
Virus: "Nah nigga"
8:06
"hospitals are not overrun, that's the prediction"
that aged well
I mean I follow quite a few healthcare professionals on social media and they haven't been saying "Wow we have an abundance of PPE this is wonderful!" it is, in fact, the opposite. So to hear this kid in the first 8 minutes spout something so far removed from reality is just astounding
Ask Ben Shapiro. He can ask his wife. Not many people know that his wife is a doctor - he doesn't like to brag about it.
Right we're using the same mask for multiple days. I could choke tf outta this dude
Jesus christ this dudes voice is so grating that it's an insane violation of my civil liberties.... in this debate
Rowdy Peacock ww25.goatse.com
The NAP has be violated
Well his comments aged well...
The NHS is awesome, I have really no idea how people can say we're not doing well in the UK because of our 'socialist' healthcare. It's an incredibly popular institution with the British public. I'm absolutely certain healthcare in the US is nowhere even close to being as popular amongst Americans as the NHS is amongst the British.
I've lived in the States. I'm Canadian.
I was there in the 90s when Hillary was pushing for more universal healthcare.
The conversation was fucking insane. The American population exists within an overwhelming propaganda machine. I heard so many anecdotes about Canadian healthcare, but never any statistics.
It could be because of the whole herd imunnity fiasco, that was a pretty stupid take. Now as an American I would happily burn my insurance card if the NHS system of bitten came here
Travel ban from China didn't stop US citizens from traveling from China to US so it was useless at best.
It's not just about how capitalist US can take care of patients "better" than socialized healthcare countries. Prevention is first step so you don't have to even go to taking care of patients until it's necessary.
In Finland we have our most highly populated region which is also most infected closed. No travel in or out without very good reason. During Easter some idiots drove to border only to get forced to turn around by police. Many fines were given out to repeat offenders for disobeying the order.
Anyone thinking this is a 2-4 weeks in lockdown and ”done” situation, is in for a rude awakening.
Yeah...Over here in Germany, we have cancelled mass events three weeks ago, have send whoever possible into home offices, closed schools and limited contacts two weeks ago and did a complete contact ban two weeks ago and we are praying that it was enough and that we might, just might, be able to losen some restriction eventually and don't run out of ICU beds in the meantime -and we have more of those in balance of population numbers than ANY other country.
True - from the future
LCTRFan, proof somebody has to graduate last in law school and that literally anyone can be a lawyer.
This guy sounds like Jim, the guy I work with at Home Depot, who wears Carhart overalls everyday and thinks everything is a Democrat's fault.
EsotericOccultist cringe
Can you Imagine this guy defending you in traffic court? "Your honor, my client wasn't speeding...that much. The cop was just being a dick."
No, your honor that officer was appointed during oboma regime so his beucratic red tape got in my eye and that why I ran that school bus off the road.
LCTRfan's argument aged like milk.
"These hospitals are not overrun"
None of the quotes from this guy aged well lol
This aged really well 🤣
Italy is falling apart because of socialist medical system
Monday: Italy proceeds to send over a shit ton of supplies to USA to help us out ......
The audio balance here is terrible, please reupload
Hi, I work with multiple hospitals as a paramedic. All four major hospitals in our area are overwhelmed, and we are in one of the least affected states.
“So you’re telling me...”
“Well, no. Actually-“
“OH so you’re saying...”
“No, but”
*repeat for an hour*
It’s this crazy back and forth but it’s mostly clarification
no name no this exact scenario just happened over and over again in this debate bruv
no name mate this is a comment section not english 9 hold da fuck up
no name it’s jus my observation luv don’t stay up thinking ab it xx
@@TrollinFromFlask let him meme guy he doesn't do many debaits apparently those are heavy staple words in debaits so they can clarify and sometimes start a narrative to pigeonhole ppl useing there own Words
This guy isn’t a lawyer. He was a paralegal who never passed the Bar exam. (Assuming this is the guy who I think it is).
LOL, that's pretty rich if true...
No. You are thinking of "Mike from pa/ccp"
Alexander Kalkainen no, I think this is the numbskull who destiny debated back in late 2018 who claimed he practiced law in New York for three years and in turns out he was an assistant who never took the Bar exam.
@@PresidentBelichick Mike from ccp never took the bar and he worked as a paralegal.
Alexander Kalkainen look up: “Destiny Jesus Help Me” on TH-cam.
Destiny: Well Trump’s actions are quite bad, if yo-
Cuckservatives: Obama is bad
Destiny: Well yeah sure, but if-
Cuckservatives: OBAMA did something worse
Destiny: Okay, but if you look at Trumps actions alone you would see that-
Cuckservatives: BUT WHAT THE FUCK STOP IGNORING OBUMAHH
SepiDogg “BLACK MAN BAD!!l
this conservative guys comments aged really poorly lol
Dr fauci is a man of character and what are the democrats going to do impeach trump again!!
Oh god, I used some of the same arguments a while ago...hearing them echoed back to me from this guy makes me realize how horribly ignorant and stupid I sounded...
Don’t worry. You’ve been out of the rabbit hole for a while.
LCTRfan walked back on almost every single one of his points.
"That guy was a huge terrorist AND he was spreading terror around the world
" 🤣🤣🤣
Destiny is wrong that States aren’t starting to issue fines for being out in public. Hawaii has issued $75 citations so far for people even just being by themselves outside
This guys a lawyer?! Wtf?! How the hell did he pass the bar exam?
The Doctah I guess the BAR has been lowed 😂
Don't believe everything you hear on the internet :'D
"The hospitals are not overrun" I think this has aged well omegalul
LCTRfan is such a fucking idiot. He has no clue about anything he is talking abou. Its truly amazing.
I'm so worried that too many people don't realize how serious this situation is.
22:09 "What are you gonna do, impeach him again?" Well... yes.
I cannot believe that this guy thinks he should be debating people.
"BUT OBAMA" - unironically LcTrFaN
As a European who didn't take this seriously until it got really serious really quickly I'm pretty sure that this guy will regret what he said in this conversation a few weeks from now. Best of luck Americans, stay at home!
Doubt it
He seriously won't these people are just to dull
*8:34* A teen from Lancaster, CA died this week from CoVid-19. His death most likely could've been prevented had he not been turned away from his local urgent care center and instead told to drive to a hospital that would accept him some 30-45min away since he had no health insurance.
Argument at 6:57 by LCTRfan aged so horribly.
3 days have passed and this aged SOOOO well... holy fuk 123,428 cases in the US at this current moment (highest number of cases worldwide).
This guy is why America will never have socialised healthcare.
exactly. Decades of praising free market... havent been to third world countries...
@King Charles If the Coronavirus doesn't do it, then nothing in the foreseeable future will. Until your country suffers like Europe did in the 1940s, you won't have universal healthcare.
King Charles your potential presidential nominees this election cycle are Biden and Trump, in which none of them are advocates for a single payer system. If Biden wins the presidency then that potentially rids the country of a progressive movement for a long time, your most progressive senator has lost the opportunity to be the presidential nominee twice now and no one is in line to carry that torch. Who’s the next great progressive hope for the US?
Far too many guys like this, run our government
King Charles how will you achieve a national form of socialism under the current system without the progressive movement? America is barely a democracy, it’s more resemblant of a capitalist plutocracy. Back to my original point; unless something tragic happens to your nation, it’s unlikely you’ll get Universal Healthcare. As sad as that is.
So weird how a video titled "Trump's coronavirus response" can already be more than a year old
"CEO's can't blame subordinates!"... *Wells Fargo* Hold my beer.
Can we just appreciate that this man is apparently a lawyer, however in all of his years at law school and years in practice he has yet to understand how to make a coherent argument
50 minutes in and he’s cracking like a phoenix wright testimonial
this guy makes me so mad. "The deathrate is one percent or even lower." Yeah,no. For example, in Italy there are currently more than 80.000 infected people and more than 8000 died already. Thats a deathrate of 10 percent! in Spain it's currently at seven percent. While i admit that these are two of the countrys most affected by the virus, even the WHO estimates a deathrate of arround 4 percent. What makes this guy think that America is immune against the virus spreading in a similar way or even worse. I live in Germany and we are lucky to have a relatively low deathrate, with 43.000 infected and "only" 270 dead. But we all know that that could change in a matter of days, so most of us are reasonable and stay at home (We had to have our government introduce certain rules, tho, because people are idiots and only care about themselves, so if you for example have a Party outside you can get fined etc.) We HAVE to flatten the curve to prevent our healthcare system from collapsing and causing even more peolpe to die. And thats the case in every country right now. Yes, there are major problems when it comes to the economy right now all around the world that need to be fixed but this guy is seriously underestimating the seriousness of a worldwide pandemic with potentially millions of deaths.
This guy concedes every single point
This video hasnt aged well
The guy he's debating seems super partisan and has an answer (not saying they're good) for every legitimate point Destiny talks about. Seems incapable of admitting when Republicans or Trump do negative things or have negative policies or actions.
if you have never had pneumonia please know that a disease like this that is so hard hitting respiratorily will DISABLE you for life if you are not treated properly and urgently.
and god forbid it passed to someone like me who has asthma, or immune system deficiences, or the elderly. it can and will take peace from your life and give you chronic illness. this is a pandemic to be taken seriously.
Hahah this doesn’t age well for the other guy
- Supporting Trump
- Being worried about the state overreaching its power
Pick one...
Speaking of people worried about govt overreach wears the tea party at now?
this aged like fine wine
"As you just said, it's imminent, it's not happening right now"
This should be on the reactionary text book. It's so literal it hurts.
'whaddya gonna do, impeach him again?"
Well....
Lol how is this guy a lawyer??? What an idiot. Trumpists really are the dumbest demographic
Yea, I definitely don't miss the right wing debates as much as I thought I did. These people are truly insufferable and long gone. We need to try and find people that are still slipping down the slope toward full on reality distortion. Once they're there, it's useless talking with them.
As someone from the UK, the NHS has been underfunded for years partly due to austerity measures from conservative governments. To suggest the NHS is failing under it's own weight is a total misrepresentation.
Also our response to the pandemic was very late.
This entire debate was this guy saying "OBAMA BAD, TRUMP GOOD"
I thought attorneys were supposed to be smart.
Hey, LTCRFan, the Iranian deal is still going. Every other country that signed the Iranian nuclear deal are still honoring it. The only result is the USA lost all diplomatic influence over Iran.
How is this guy a lawyer🤣
*Zack Knutsen*
Must be a fellow classmate of Mike from PA
Commercial litigation. Law is hyper specialized, knowing how to handle yourself in one branch does not mean you know anything about Constitutional law.
Being a lawyer must be great practice for uncritically defending your own side through whatever rationalization you can muster.
*elmonchis2*
Yeah, I wouldn’t expect a patent lawyer to have specialization and technical knowledge in divorce proceedings. However, I would expect both a patent lawyer and divorce lawyer to be trained in a similar way of thinking. Some specific skills in deductive and inductive logic; I’d expect all lawyers to be similarly trained in a sound way of discerning information.
@@Kyle_Schaff What littlebigphil said. Studying law is not studying critical thinking.
Italy's healthcare is literally ranked #2 on WHO's rankings. This fucking guy.
This did not age well