As a dutch person that loves making videos about transport infrastructure, I really want to go to the London underground now! especially to Baker Street!
@@TalesOfWar absolutely agree on this. Its pretty much stuck back in the 1930s. Found myself there at a rainy morning taking a circle line train back to Paddington. For most people its a useful interchange, that doesn’t get too much attention. For me its a piece of are, with an really impressive atmosphere.
With all these 'Gates there must have been a lot of scandals on the Metropolitan Line. :-) Watergate, Bishop's Gate, Aldergate... I will shut up now. :-)
@@teecefamilykent The station called Partygate will have to be the nearest to downing street,have festive,multicoloured decor with bunting and balloons, and champagne and nibbles served on the platforms.
I'm aware of a variant of Mornington Crescent that includes closed stations, but is there also one that includes former station names? And if so, would playing 'Dollis Hill & Gladstone Park' be a valid way of breaking a Dollis Hill Loop?
"Thoust shall knoweth, if oft useth, the Northern Line offends, whenst thou shalt past under Thames" - 1800s saying for the very earliest versions of Mornington Crescent which followed the Wapping Tunnel . . . . indeed, the unknown author of said verse was a person of such foresight they noted the word "Northern Line" without even knowing what it was. Ah Stovold you!
@@jaakkomantyjarvi7515 Cockney Rhyming Slang Mornington Crescent: I'm a busy, busy, busy bee, Heathrow Terminals One, Two and Three. Not quite a winning move by the late Tim Brooke-Taylor much to his chagrin but what can you expect with these young whippersnappers, I mean, I bet Mister TBT can't even remember when Charles Yerkes travelled around London tossing silver dollars from his carriages.
"Sandy Lodge" sounds less like a golf _course_ than a golf _pro._ Possibly one who has his own how-to-golf program on the local public access cable TV channel, which would have a title like _Par for the Course with Sandy Lodge._
The City of London had seven gates: Aldgate, Bishopsgate, Moorgate, Cripplegate, Aldersgate, Newgate, and Ludgate. Four out of seven have been station names...
RIP Portland Food & Wine. In the beforetimes, I went to London about twice a year since 2007, and always tried to stay at International Students House if I could - the building between Great Portland Street and Regents Park stations. I really appreciated having that shop and the Tesco Express available at stupid o’clock in the morning if I needed something. Replaced with an Itsu now.
So I'm astounded that work on the underground was being done in 1941 in the middle of WW2. I'd love a video about other work which was carried out during the war and how the war affected the work
Not just you, Jago. The creeping name changes also tell of the history, urbanisation, social development and a range of other things which make up the picture of London. It really is fascinating. Thanks for being entertaining, researching and documenting it. Keep having fun.
A number of the changes 1933 onwards were a LPTB tidying up, due to Font Tax where additional letters needed were charged more by at the Printers by the Chapel, additionally letters were also needed for war work where they could be added to Keep Calm and Carry On Posters at no cost , a bit like sending ones railings to build battleships
Barbican was just part of the road that is Chiswell Street, Beech Street and then becomes Long Lane after the Aldersgate St junction.. Now Barbican is the Centre, a much more prominent feature on Aldersgate Street.
3:54 Nope. Me too. We have a few here in America. In NYC, The Briarwood Station use to be called Van Wyck Blvd when it opened. Then it became Van Wyck Blvd-Briarwood for a while before turning into plain Briarwood.
I remember waking up at Amersham after dozing off after a very long day. Should have got off at Preston Road. Thankfully, I wasn't challenged when scooting over to the other platform and taking the next train back.... ooooh, all that free out-of-zone travel 😁
Great Portland Street, never knowingly used it - been through it often enough, and walked past it many times. Is that Kenneth Williams alighting at the platform to make an episode of Just a Minute? I do very hope so.
Somewhere in the back of my, somewhat untidy 80 year-old mind, I vaguely recall that for a while, before renaming it to Barbican, Aldersgate some time in the 50s was just Aldersgate with no mention of Barbican but I may just be getting senile and imagining things.
@@AtheistOrphan It's very curious. I also remember that on tube maps, and the renaming came as a surprise (associated with the building of the new Barbican Centre). But Wikipedia gives the 1924 date and two sources to back it up. So was the "official" name just not shown anywhere? On my dad's old 1950ish A to Z, the tube map shows Hillingdon (Swakeleys), Holborn (Kingsway), South Woodford (George Lane) etc, but just Aldersgate. (It also includes the proposed Alexandra Palace and Camberwell extensions as broken lines, and Epping-Ongar as not yet electrified). Maybe there's a typo in the Wikipedia date and it was 1974 not 1924.
I was just wondering if as areas evolve, would any of these station names ever change again? My second thought was they surelywould. I'll see myself out...
Jago, you're good! Paid promotion in all other vids automatically makes me 'unlike' them and 'don't recommend this channel' them. Not so in your case. You'd make a fortune in the advertising business. Thank you for not leaving yt and for keeping the videos rolling.
Mind you I do think Surfshark have jumped the shark as it were. It’s a sponsor in pretty much every second TH-cam video I watch and it’s now pushing me away, not drawing me to them. There is a point where saturation doesn’t work.
@@kathrynstemler6331 Indeed not! Ne'ertheless, that was't the point. Yt was supposed to be free, though they now charge for some movies. And they charge contributors for trying to make a living.
4:56 It will probably be a Bank/Monument situation. These days it's much harder to change the name of a station than it used to be because TfL also has to update the name in all of their internal computer systems, not just signage and maps. Seattle is planning to rename its University Street station to Symphony in order to avoid confusion with University of Washington and U District stations (which didn't exist yet when they built University Street), but they estimate it will cost ~$5 million, whereas if they changed it to a name that allowed them to keep the same 3-letter station code it would only cost ~$1 or 2 million
St. Johns Wood (Met) Station was renamed Lord's in the last months before its closure in 1938 or 1939. St. Johns Wood (Bakerloo) was originally to be named Acacia Road according to a pre-war pocket tube map I have (somewhere) but presumably this was to avoid confusion. I don't know if the two stations were ever open at the same time and this is why the Bakerloo station was given the St. Johns Wood designation. The Metropolitan station was just over the road from Lord's Cricket Ground.
Then there is the (former) route to Aylesbury, Westcott and beyond, which at one point (I think) also came under the Metropolitan Line banner. I suppose (with the "Current😀" infrastructure) Tube Trains, could be sent as far away as Folkestone and Weymouth.
I know that you've used that shot of Liverpool Street at about 2:58 before Jago. But does anyone think like me that it reminds them of a shot from the 1st Mission Impossible film when Ethan Hunt & his crew are meant to be using a flat on that very corner ?!! 😎
I think Baker Street is my favourite station in London. It's the one that says 'You've Arrived in London' to me, after alighting at Marylebone (On the occasions I travel into London, it's from Aylesbury) I have a stroll and a ciggy on the walk round to Baker Street, before heading down and hopping on a Tube into the heart of the City.
love the footage at Barbican and from 4:10 at Farringdon, showing the now disused Widened Lines tracks to Moorgate - initially trains only went east to Moorgate, then Thameslink services also went south through the reopened Snow Hill tunnel (to the right of picture). However, new 12-car trains meant the East/Southbound platform at Farringdon had to be extended across the junction, hence cutting off the line to Moorgate. The history of these lines and those nearby should tell us that we should not abandon/build on anything - keep the trackbeds viable, just in case, especially in such a constrained (and expensive) location such as London.
I totally get the creeping name thing. It’s a bit like putting yer gambling chips on two numbers on the roulette table. Probably. I’ve never played roulette to be honest. But these, days, knowing about something and having an opinion on it do not necessarily have to go hand in hand 🤷🏻♂️ As for wishing to find a suitable ending, I shouldn’t fret. As Simon and Garfunkel might have said: You’d like to find an ending if you could If you could If you could You Chorleywood Sorry, I have wanted to use that musical pun for what seems like forever so I want going to pass the chance up 😜 Cheers Jago, great fun as ever 👍🍀🍻
Also thought for First day travelling the Elizabeth Line , as it looks to be June , any chance its going to be the Longest Day of the year ? And are we all night busing it to Abbey Wood for first train out ? ( reason Abbey Wood because TfL rail have at least been running to Paddington or Liverpool Street on the other metals and I dont think that the Shenfield section is going on the tunnel section on first day - is that correct ? I might go to Paddington for first train out from there - when is the timetable going live ?
6:20 Harrow-on-the-Hill Station isn't in Harrow town at all! Harrow town is on the hill, the station is at the foot of the hill. Yes in the modern Borough of Harrow but technically in an area known perhaps ironically as Greenhill.
We have the same problem with French place names in the US: which pronunciation happened to stick in the local English? Is it a proper French one, an English one (e.g., "ver-SALES" for Versailles, or "due-BOYS" for du Bois), or something in between?
Chalfont and Latimer was more marketing - its not near any of the Chalfonts (of the time) or Latimer. 'Little' Chalfont has since developed around the station - which has not been renamed. How about Littlechalfont? We can have Harrowonthehill as well. its just better.
When my train to Aylesbury stopped at Challont and Latimer, on the opposite platform, sitting apart under the station sign were a lady and a man. My travel-fatigued brain (I was returning to Australia the next day) immediately leapt to a Brief Encounter fantasy: Mrs Chalfont regularly meets Mr Latimer here at the station platform (there being no buffet) regularly to appease their impossible, but heartfelt, liaison. I can picture them now, sitting in rueful silence, pondering their improbable fates. Thank you, Jago, and Noël Coward.
Oh no, no, no, Jago! What a mistake-a-to-make-a! You forgot that the Metropolitan Line extend Wayyyyyy beyond Amersham to begin with. Before Beeching (Curse that foul man!!), The Met went all the way out to Brill and Verney Junction!
@@sihollett The Metropolitan line is the oldest underground railway in the world. As its most extensive, the railway reached 80km into Buckinghamshire, but services were cut back after it lost its independence and became part of London Transport (LT) in 1933.
Well, it's a shock to hear you say "I don't know what to say to end this video." I enjoy your tongue in cheek endings. A little humorous flourish. Maybe you could just say. "I'm winding the cat up, and putting the clock out now. Goodnight!"
That Surfshark ad at the start, was probably the coolest sponsorship ad I've ever watched on TH-cam! I usually just skip past them. Glad I didn't for this one!… Gwaaanmyooot! 😎
Thanks for the sequence of the old Farringdon with the Underground sidings and the Snow Hill tunnel disused and overgrown. Rather different and busier now.
Of course there are the stations beyond Amersham and on to Aylesbury which used to be metropolitan stations, probably joint metropolitan great central, which still reveal their metropolitan origins, but I don't know what name changes occurred there!
A great video as always- what is the story of the disconnected tracks at 4:11- I assume they went through the tunnels in the right background? How about a video on all the abandoned tube lines? When and why and all that.
Next year will be 160 years of the London Underground. And this year (May/Summer) should be the opening of the Elizabeth Line between Whitechapel-Paddington and Whitechapel-Abbey Wood & Stratford. That will see Elizabeth Line Class 345 trains passing underneath Central London. And the Metropolitan Line would of continue all the way to Aylesbury, Brill, Bicester and Oxford which now Chiltern Railways provides services to Buckinghamshire, Birmingham, The Chilterns and Oxford.
Not a line that I have ever really had any cause to use, so I have never seen these stations in real life. Interesting old station buildings and the odd old signal box too. A few of those stations, especially at 7:12, show really classic Art Deco buildings, (nearly of the standard of Surbiton). Are these listed by any chance?
The station you pointed out is Rayners Lane, which is Grade II listed. Most of the Underground's Art Deco station buildings are listed now, but not quite all of them.
Perhaps the Metropolitan Railway had some sort of Metropolitan Railway Nonclamiture Board. There may have been two factions an old guard and a new guard . The old guard didn’t want names updated and the new did. There might have been a time when neither had enough power to get their way and so both names end up being used. Once the old guard started dying off the new guard went back in and removed the old names. 🤷🏼♂️
Quite apart from the fact that Hiillingdon is not exactly where it opened, you want to know what the golfers did for Moor Park? They paid for it.. The station is only there because local residents paid London Transport to build the station.
Jago, you may rest assured that Indonesia does indeed exist. This was conclusively proven by Sherlock Holmes himself when he worked on the case of the Giant Rat of Sumatra.
I see Jago is heading for 150k subscribers, if there is another Q and A on Stereo coming up I would like to know Jago's opinion on the Tube users whom when there is a service disruption cannot navigate themselves above ground by walk or bus. Is Jago confident with London Geography to cope when bereft of an underground train to travel on ?
I'm sure it's in a video somewhere but I curious about the end of track at 4:10 that looks like it went into the tunnels under Smithfield but no longer goes anywhere. What's the story there?
What you're looking at is work in progress. The expanse behind that pair of stub tracks used to be storage for Circle Line trains. Along the wall on the right, the City Widened Lines (latterly Thameslink) used to run to Moorgate. With the Thameslink route being rebuilt for 12-car trains, the section from Farringdon to Moorgate has fully reverted to its owner TfL. The stubs will soon link to the vacant tunnels to Barbican and Moorgate and will be used as storage tracks for the Metropolitan and Circle Lines \m/
I can't go back to Amersham. Not because there's an injunction against me prohibiting be from going back or anything. It's because I've never actually been. So seeing as you can't go back to somewhere you've never been, I can't go back to Amersham.
What are we looking at at 4:10 ? I see one set of tracks on the left and what could be tracked for two other sets of lines to the right. Former lines? Designated for future lines?
They appear to be the remains of St. Mary's curve, which was a connection at Whitechapel to the East London line, which is now part of the Overground. So they're former lines with no known (or possible?) future.
See Jago ? vid on City Widened Lines. They are the pair of tracks that were part of the Bedpan line route to Moorgate, but are also near a set of stub tracks/sidings for some Moorgate stock but now out of use when Thameslink needed longer trains that blocked the pointwork or some such excuse.
As a dutch person that loves making videos about transport infrastructure, I really want to go to the London underground now! especially to Baker Street!
Baker Street is a beautiful station.
@@TalesOfWar I agree. I made a 2 hour round trip just to sit on the old platforms and take it in for a while. Genuinely stunning.
@@TalesOfWar absolutely agree on this. Its pretty much stuck back in the 1930s. Found myself there at a rainy morning taking a circle line train back to Paddington. For most people its a useful interchange, that doesn’t get too much attention. For me its a piece of are, with an really impressive atmosphere.
@Linke Kever Funny, you've never mentioned any of that before.
I've just been there - being sung at by a group of disgruntled Arsenal fans. Rather takes the edge off the wonder of it all.
With all these 'Gates there must have been a lot of scandals on the Metropolitan Line. :-) Watergate, Bishop's Gate, Aldergate... I will shut up now. :-)
And party gate.
And get your coat on the way out!
Lol the gates are names of the old gate entrances in to the city of London.
@@johnlaslett5339 I know, just trying to be funny in my crass Canadian way.
@@teecefamilykent The station called Partygate will have to be the nearest to downing street,have festive,multicoloured decor with bunting and balloons,
and champagne and nibbles served on the platforms.
When Mornington Cresent eventually becomes an Olympic sport I'm nominating Jago to lead Team GB.
I'm aware of a variant of Mornington Crescent that includes closed stations, but is there also one that includes former station names? And if so, would playing 'Dollis Hill & Gladstone Park' be a valid way of breaking a Dollis Hill Loop?
@@jaakkomantyjarvi7515 not if we're using Hodgson's variation
Pity readers of these comments who don't listen to R4. Admittedly, there won't be many of those following Jago Hazard's channel ...
"Thoust shall knoweth, if oft useth, the Northern Line offends, whenst thou shalt past under Thames" - 1800s saying for the very earliest versions of Mornington Crescent which followed the Wapping Tunnel . . . . indeed, the unknown author of said verse was a person of such foresight they noted the word "Northern Line" without even knowing what it was.
Ah Stovold you!
@@jaakkomantyjarvi7515 Cockney Rhyming Slang Mornington Crescent: I'm a busy, busy, busy bee, Heathrow Terminals One, Two and Three.
Not quite a winning move by the late Tim Brooke-Taylor much to his chagrin but what can you expect with these young whippersnappers, I mean, I bet Mister TBT can't even remember when Charles Yerkes travelled around London tossing silver dollars from his carriages.
Chorleywood... And when said fast as you did.... Jollywood... Superb episode with that good humoured commentary.... 😂😂👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Can't wait for your review of the Lea Valley lines! Such a peculiar route through North London, especially the bits in Enfield.
"Sandy Lodge" sounds less like a golf _course_ than a golf _pro._ Possibly one who has his own how-to-golf program on the local public access cable TV channel, which would have a title like _Par for the Course with Sandy Lodge._
You should consider making a playlist for these videos!
Moor Park and Sandy Lodge are a great singing duo, cover the hits of westlife
The City of London had seven gates: Aldgate, Bishopsgate, Moorgate, Cripplegate, Aldersgate, Newgate, and Ludgate. Four out of seven have been station names...
The postern gate at the Tower itself is generally included in the list. It's not called "-Gate", though.
@@Tevildo im going to call it Towergate just to be a contrarian
Long odds on Cripple Gate becoming a station name in the future.
4 and a Half. Was not Ludgate Hill a Station ?
@@highpath4776 Yes, opened in 1865 and closed in 1929.
I just love the old ventilation shafts that are used for lighting. Re-purposed, not destroyed. Bravo Zulu 😎
RIP Portland Food & Wine. In the beforetimes, I went to London about twice a year since 2007, and always tried to stay at International Students House if I could - the building between Great Portland Street and Regents Park stations. I really appreciated having that shop and the Tesco Express available at stupid o’clock in the morning if I needed something. Replaced with an Itsu now.
So I'm astounded that work on the underground was being done in 1941 in the middle of WW2. I'd love a video about other work which was carried out during the war and how the war affected the work
Not just you, Jago. The creeping name changes also tell of the history, urbanisation, social development and a range of other things which make up the picture of London. It really is fascinating. Thanks for being entertaining, researching and documenting it. Keep having fun.
A number of the changes 1933 onwards were a LPTB tidying up, due to Font Tax where additional letters needed were charged more by at the Printers by the Chapel, additionally letters were also needed for war work where they could be added to Keep Calm and Carry On Posters at no cost , a bit like sending ones railings to build battleships
Enjoyed your humour in this one.
I'm just happy that all the names have settled down and that they'll never ever change again.....
Barbican was just part of the road that is Chiswell Street, Beech Street and then becomes Long Lane after the Aldersgate St junction.. Now Barbican is the Centre, a much more prominent feature on Aldersgate Street.
Lmfao, didn't expect my country to get mentioned at the start
Man I ain't been this early since I was born. Anyway, day number whatever of asking Jago to please post more bus content.
3:54 Nope. Me too. We have a few here in America. In NYC, The Briarwood Station use to be called Van Wyck Blvd when it opened. Then it became Van Wyck Blvd-Briarwood for a while before turning into plain Briarwood.
I remember waking up at Amersham after dozing off after a very long day. Should have got off at Preston Road. Thankfully, I wasn't challenged when scooting over to the other platform and taking the next train back.... ooooh, all that free out-of-zone travel 😁
Great Portland Street, never knowingly used it - been through it often enough, and walked past it many times.
Is that Kenneth Williams alighting at the platform to make an episode of Just a Minute? I do very hope so.
Useful if one lives in MetroLand and works in the Embassies and Doctors of the Area
Somewhere in the back of my, somewhat untidy 80 year-old mind, I vaguely recall that for a while, before renaming it to Barbican, Aldersgate some time in the 50s was just Aldersgate with no mention of Barbican but I may just be getting senile and imagining things.
You are correct (and rarely) Jago is wrong. I have a tube map from the 60’s and it’s labelled as ‘Aldersgate’.
@@AtheistOrphan It's very curious. I also remember that on tube maps, and the renaming came as a surprise (associated with the building of the new Barbican Centre). But Wikipedia gives the 1924 date and two sources to back it up. So was the "official" name just not shown anywhere? On my dad's old 1950ish A to Z, the tube map shows Hillingdon (Swakeleys), Holborn (Kingsway), South Woodford (George Lane) etc, but just Aldersgate. (It also includes the proposed Alexandra Palace and Camberwell extensions as broken lines, and Epping-Ongar as not yet electrified). Maybe there's a typo in the Wikipedia date and it was 1974 not 1924.
I was just wondering if as areas evolve, would any of these station names ever change again?
My second thought was they surelywould.
I'll see myself out...
Kings Cross > Charles III Is Really Rather Cheerful
A good portmanteau word for the Underground roundels that you might want to feel free to use - credit me with this - undergroundels!
Jago, you're good! Paid promotion in all other vids automatically makes me 'unlike' them and 'don't recommend this channel' them. Not so in your case. You'd make a fortune in the advertising business. Thank you for not leaving yt and for keeping the videos rolling.
... was just thinking the same - Jago H: the man who makes the adverts fun - never stop !
Mind you I do think Surfshark have jumped the shark as it were. It’s a sponsor in pretty much every second TH-cam video I watch and it’s now pushing me away, not drawing me to them. There is a point where saturation doesn’t work.
Can’t fault creators from trying to make a living.
@@kathrynstemler6331 Indeed not! Ne'ertheless, that was't the point. Yt was supposed to be free, though they now charge for some movies. And they charge contributors for trying to make a living.
4:56 It will probably be a Bank/Monument situation. These days it's much harder to change the name of a station than it used to be because TfL also has to update the name in all of their internal computer systems, not just signage and maps. Seattle is planning to rename its University Street station to Symphony in order to avoid confusion with University of Washington and U District stations (which didn't exist yet when they built University Street), but they estimate it will cost ~$5 million, whereas if they changed it to a name that allowed them to keep the same 3-letter station code it would only cost ~$1 or 2 million
St. Johns Wood (Met) Station was renamed Lord's in the last months before its closure in 1938 or 1939. St. Johns Wood (Bakerloo) was originally to be named Acacia Road according to a pre-war pocket tube map I have (somewhere) but presumably this was to avoid confusion. I don't know if the two stations were ever open at the same time and this is why the Bakerloo station was given the St. Johns Wood designation. The Metropolitan station was just over the road from Lord's Cricket Ground.
Then there is the (former) route to Aylesbury, Westcott and beyond, which at one point (I think) also came under the Metropolitan Line banner.
I suppose (with the "Current😀" infrastructure) Tube Trains, could be sent as far away as Folkestone and Weymouth.
7:50 Chorley you can't be cherious! LOL
I know that you've used that shot of Liverpool Street at about 2:58 before Jago. But does anyone think like me that it reminds them of a shot from the 1st Mission Impossible film when Ethan Hunt & his crew are meant to be using a flat on that very corner ?!! 😎
Not seen MI-1 for years but wasn't the bit before filmed inside the station concourse?
But what if SurfShark is part of the international conspiracy?
Then you use Indonesia to bypass it.
@@klausolekristiansen2960 🤣🤣
04:40 littering bugger!
Brilliant, Mr H, simply brilliant. As indeed you always are. Thank you. Simon T
Keep uploading jago 👍🏻🇬🇧
I think Baker Street is my favourite station in London.
It's the one that says 'You've Arrived in London' to me, after alighting at Marylebone (On the occasions I travel into London, it's from Aylesbury) I have a stroll and a ciggy on the walk round to Baker Street, before heading down and hopping on a Tube into the heart of the City.
Harrow on the Hill station is often referred to by locals as Harrow Met
love the footage at Barbican and from 4:10 at Farringdon, showing the now disused Widened Lines tracks to Moorgate - initially trains only went east to Moorgate, then Thameslink services also went south through the reopened Snow Hill tunnel (to the right of picture). However, new 12-car trains meant the East/Southbound platform at Farringdon had to be extended across the junction, hence cutting off the line to Moorgate. The history of these lines and those nearby should tell us that we should not abandon/build on anything - keep the trackbeds viable, just in case, especially in such a constrained (and expensive) location such as London.
I totally get the creeping name thing. It’s a bit like putting yer gambling chips on two numbers on the roulette table. Probably. I’ve never played roulette to be honest. But these, days, knowing about something and having an opinion on it do not necessarily have to go hand in hand 🤷🏻♂️
As for wishing to find a suitable ending, I shouldn’t fret. As Simon and Garfunkel might have said:
You’d like to find an ending if you could
If you could
If you could
You Chorleywood
Sorry, I have wanted to use that musical pun for what seems like forever so I want going to pass the chance up 😜
Cheers Jago, great fun as ever 👍🍀🍻
How do we know Jago Hazzard exists?
I heard he's actually a head in a jar
I don’t.
@@JagoHazzard Then how do we know that you don't exist? We only have your word for it.
@@henrybest4057 Is he the man knocking at the door that isnt there ?
@@ryanparker4996 Like in futurama?
Also thought for First day travelling the Elizabeth Line , as it looks to be June , any chance its going to be the Longest Day of the year ? And are we all night busing it to Abbey Wood for first train out ? ( reason Abbey Wood because TfL rail have at least been running to Paddington or Liverpool Street on the other metals and I dont think that the Shenfield section is going on the tunnel section on first day - is that correct ? I might go to Paddington for first train out from there - when is the timetable going live ?
They should've kept the name Chesham Bois for Amersham, being on the opposite side of the map from Theydon Bois.
Great video as usual, the metropolitan also being local is my favourite line with good reason.
Nice video, always to learn about the city I grew up in. Preston Rd was also renamed, I believe
Yes, it was Preston Road and Uxendon previously.
For "dark red".
Never just you, Mr Hazzard!
6:20 Harrow-on-the-Hill Station isn't in Harrow town at all!
Harrow town is on the hill, the station is at the foot of the hill. Yes in the modern Borough of Harrow but technically in an area known perhaps ironically as Greenhill.
Spot on! To his dying day, my grandfather always said he was going shopping in Greenhill - having been born on the hill proper in 1893.
Chesham Bois - Boys, Boyce, Boh-wiss or Bwa? (Same with Theydon).
We have the same problem with French place names in the US: which pronunciation happened to stick in the local English? Is it a proper French one, an English one (e.g., "ver-SALES" for Versailles, or "due-BOYS" for du Bois), or something in between?
Theydon Bois is named for an old family that owned land there umpteen centuries back. Nothing to do with trees. And anyway, it's in Essex...
Boys (like Theydon, its due to a historic landowner, rather than its trees).
Chalfont and Latimer was more marketing - its not near any of the Chalfonts (of the time) or Latimer. 'Little' Chalfont has since developed around the station - which has not been renamed. How about Littlechalfont? We can have Harrowonthehill as well. its just better.
I once walked from Latimer church to Chalfont & Latimer station - it's a damn long walk on a hot day.
@@peterdavy6110 very steep climb up a rather twisty road as well if memory serves right.
When my train to Aylesbury stopped at Challont and Latimer, on the opposite platform, sitting apart under the station sign were a lady and a man. My travel-fatigued brain (I was returning to Australia the next day) immediately leapt to a Brief Encounter fantasy: Mrs Chalfont regularly meets Mr Latimer here at the station platform (there being no buffet) regularly to appease their impossible, but heartfelt, liaison.
I can picture them now, sitting in rueful silence, pondering their improbable fates. Thank you, Jago, and Noël Coward.
@@quintuscrinis8032 on both sides of the River Chess!
Oh no, no, no, Jago!
What a mistake-a-to-make-a!
You forgot that the Metropolitan Line extend Wayyyyyy beyond Amersham to begin with. Before Beeching (Curse that foul man!!), The Met went all the way out to Brill and Verney Junction!
The Met was cut waaay before Beeching - with the formation of a unified London Underground.
@@sihollett The Metropolitan line is the oldest underground railway in the world. As its most extensive, the railway reached 80km into Buckinghamshire, but services were cut back after it lost its independence and became part of London Transport (LT) in 1933.
@@AFCManUk Yes, and Beeching was a long time after 1933...
@@sihollett My bad. But, yes, the Met Line still went out into the sticks :)
A comment to respect your honesty at not having an ending.
Well, it's a shock to hear you say "I don't know what to say to end this video." I enjoy your tongue in cheek endings. A little humorous flourish.
Maybe you could just say. "I'm winding the cat up, and putting the clock out now. Goodnight!"
why does the metropolitan only go to Aldgate? Wouldn't it be more useful to extend it to monument or something to meet up with the district line?
@ 3:44. I’d like to know what those ghost platforms on the right are?? I assume it’s Barbican.
Correct.
Well if I were to rename a station, that's what I would do.....chorleywood most people!
Don't call me Charlie!
You might have mentioned Hillingdon Station moved a few years ago, otherwise a fab vid.
That Surfshark ad at the start, was probably the coolest sponsorship ad I've ever watched on TH-cam! I usually just skip past them. Glad I didn't for this one!… Gwaaanmyooot! 😎
Thanks for even more surprising and delightful information on the tube! Does it ever end?
What's in a name he said? Apparently a lot. Thanks again Jago for another interesting video.
Thanks for the sequence of the old Farringdon with the Underground sidings and the Snow Hill tunnel disused and overgrown. Rather different and busier now.
Of course there are the stations beyond Amersham and on to Aylesbury which used to be metropolitan stations, probably joint metropolitan great central, which still reveal their metropolitan origins, but I don't know what name changes occurred there!
A great video as always- what is the story of the disconnected tracks at 4:11- I assume they went through the tunnels in the right background? How about a video on all the abandoned tube lines? When and why and all that.
There are an awful lot of them, I’m sort of covering them one-by-one. The tracks in that shot are the Smithfield sidings.
Next year will be 160 years of the London Underground. And this year (May/Summer) should be the opening of the Elizabeth Line between Whitechapel-Paddington and Whitechapel-Abbey Wood & Stratford. That will see Elizabeth Line Class 345 trains passing underneath Central London.
And the Metropolitan Line would of continue all the way to Aylesbury, Brill, Bicester and Oxford which now Chiltern Railways provides services to Buckinghamshire, Birmingham, The Chilterns and Oxford.
You forgot Verney Junction from the list of Met. termini.
@@henrybest4057 Yep 👍
Barbican was just called ‘Aldersgate’ in the fifties and sixties (according to my old tube maps).
Not a line that I have ever really had any cause to use, so I have never seen these stations in real life. Interesting old station buildings and the odd old signal box too. A few of those stations, especially at 7:12, show really classic Art Deco buildings, (nearly of the standard of Surbiton). Are these listed by any chance?
The station you pointed out is Rayners Lane, which is Grade II listed. Most of the Underground's Art Deco station buildings are listed now, but not quite all of them.
That Pancasila in the beginning caught me off guard
Now it's just...Chrlywd.
In 2049 it'll become just 'Ch'wd'...
@@robtyman4281 Looks like it'll be getting the Worcester treatment!
That guy is still dropping rubbish outside King's Cross.
Interesting video 👍
Question : should Tower Hill be renamed Tower Hill for Fenchurch Street ?
Note the man dropping litter at 4.39.
Is Euston-Euston Square London Underground’s next Dinkleberg. Bank is the current London Underground Dinkleberg.
Perhaps the Metropolitan Railway had some sort of Metropolitan Railway Nonclamiture Board. There may have been two factions an old guard and a new guard . The old guard didn’t want names updated and the new did. There might have been a time when neither had enough power to get their way and so both names end up being used. Once the old guard started dying off the new guard went back in and removed the old names. 🤷🏼♂️
Quite apart from the fact that Hiillingdon is not exactly where it opened, you want to know what the golfers did for Moor Park? They paid for it.. The station is only there because local residents paid London Transport to build the station.
Jago, you are a hoot!
you missed the marker for moor park on the timeline of the vid!
Hi, the abandoned branch line and tunnels at Harrington, where did the go to on the network.
Thanks Jago .
Jago, you may rest assured that Indonesia does indeed exist. This was conclusively proven by Sherlock Holmes himself when he worked on the case of the Giant Rat of Sumatra.
I see Jago is heading for 150k subscribers, if there is another Q and A on Stereo coming up I would like to know Jago's opinion on the Tube users whom when there is a service disruption cannot navigate themselves above ground by walk or bus. Is Jago confident with London Geography to cope when bereft of an underground train to travel on ?
ok at 4:14 two tunnel to the right. Were they go and why they not in use?
See Jago's video on the City Widened Lines. :-)
Talking of always popping up in your videos, that little clip from 4:36 keeps appearing. What's on that piece of paper that upsets him so much?
I'm sure it's in a video somewhere but I curious about the end of track at 4:10 that looks like it went into the tunnels under Smithfield but no longer goes anywhere. What's the story there?
What you're looking at is work in progress. The expanse behind that pair of stub tracks used to be storage for Circle Line trains. Along the wall on the right, the City Widened Lines (latterly Thameslink) used to run to Moorgate. With the Thameslink route being rebuilt for 12-car trains, the section from Farringdon to Moorgate has fully reverted to its owner TfL. The stubs will soon link to the vacant tunnels to Barbican and Moorgate and will be used as storage tracks for the Metropolitan and Circle Lines \m/
I think you forgot Neasden Station, formerly Kingsbury and Neasden Station.
In that part of the world, I’d suggest ending with a lovely walk up the Chess valley!
Not from Amersham! Over to and then down the Chess Valley, maybe...
Actually, I have been thinking about doing some walking in Metroland.
@@JagoHazzard Metroland? or the countryside accessible from the Met Line? (different things, usually different start stations)
Some stations need to be renamed... Park Royal tube is not in Park Royal.. It should be called Hangar East or Hangar Hill...
Keith Barber
What colour drawers today?
Are they the drawers he keeps his draws in?
there was no mention of Darth Yerkes in this video..i feel cheated!!!
Is some of the footage used from a model railway or am I tripping out?
Isn't Barbican something one tosses a Shrimp upon?
I seem to remember Finchley Road and Frognal Station. Am I correct???
The w&c rename video will be so long
Love from Indonesia
wer did the st pancrias bit come from x
Is it odd that I get excited whenever the sponsor half of the video appears?
"conspiracy does not know" That's what they want you to think.
Yo! Kicking it old skool, Father mother. Yeah, I said it. Peace!
…so the haults came to a sudden halt….how very tube train like….
A lot of name changes over the decades then!!! 😉🚂🚂🚂
I can't go back to Amersham. Not because there's an injunction against me prohibiting be from going back or anything. It's because I've never actually been. So seeing as you can't go back to somewhere you've never been, I can't go back to Amersham.
What are we looking at at 4:10 ? I see one set of tracks on the left and what could be tracked for two other sets of lines to the right. Former lines? Designated for future lines?
They appear to be the remains of St. Mary's curve, which was a connection at Whitechapel to the East London line, which is now part of the Overground. So they're former lines with no known (or possible?) future.
See Jago ? vid on City Widened Lines. They are the pair of tracks that were part of the Bedpan line route to Moorgate, but are also near a set of stub tracks/sidings for some Moorgate stock but now out of use when Thameslink needed longer trains that blocked the pointwork or some such excuse.
Dark red or midcared or magenta on the map!