Bad News: These OLD Used Cars Will Outlast The New Version!
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- That's right, these old used cars will outlast the new cars of the same model. So if you go out there and buy one of these new cars you could be spending your hard earned money on something that's worse than what you can get on the used car market. It would be insane to go out there and buy one of these new cars.
We'll show you some Toyota's, a Honda, even a Jeep, and a few other great used cars.
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Wife's 96 Honda other than routine maintenance, has only ever had the radiator replaced.
I am astonished at the maintenance costs of people with newer vehicles.
I still drive a '92 Cherokee with a 5-speed. Never leaves me stranded, still averages out to around 20mpg. Over 300k miles and she runs strong.
so the lesson here is: the modern, more technologically forward designed cars are no where as reliable as there counterparts from just 10 years ago (not to mention the cost)...i agree...i own a 2012 Toyota Camry, and it's by far the best car we've ever owned, and still going strong at 200,000 miles...
Nice, many of them are the last of the good ones
Got the 2006 XLT Escape and it's a Tank. Aside from some minor rust in the rear wheel well edges, just oil,brakes,tires, rear shocks and still going strong.
My '02 Tundra 4x4 has 175K miles. You could balance a nickel on edge on the hood with the engine running it's so smooth.
I wouldn't keep her, l'd MARRY her!!!😂😂😂
Great truck, I would keep it also
That's still low milage but great truck for sure
@@waynewallace2061 thats toyota for ya. At least it was.
I wanted a Highlander to replace my 2011 Sienna. Thanks to your videos, and Scotty's, I avoided the new turbocharged engine they offer, and found a 2020 LE with the ultra reliable 3.5 V6 and only 40000 km. Might be the last car I ever own.
Hard part around me is rust and rot. They run forever but won't pass inspection
Old is gold. I don't give a shi.. about tech and fuel saving I want a reliable truck . Luckily my hardbody Nissan pickup is a tank
Yes that’s important now more than ever when much of the new vehicles are too expensive and don’t last
My thirty year old hardbody Nissan is still running great at 198k miles.
Sir, your vehicle is garbage. You should give it to me to alleciate your woes! 😂
we need the epa emissions regulations for vehicles to be voluntary guidelines. emissions from cars are a small percentage of global co2 output.
Also, how many co2's are you saving with the new tech cars and engines when you need to buy three of them to replace one of the old cars.
I worked for Jeep Eagle in 90's and the Jeep TJ were tanks.
We had a jeep door sitting in the back of the yard at the shop, the mirror was removed and there was galvanized steel behind it. The door sat in the element for decades and not a spot of rust.
I loved the straight 6 Jeep engines.
When they first created it, it pumped out 700 horsepower, nevertheless they had to redesign it as it was too powerful and blew piston rods lol.
That’s awesome and yes those older Jeeps were tanks, and very reliable. I loved mine with the 4L I6
My friend bought a new Jeep Wrangler back in around 2003 that was a 5 speed stick and had the inline 6. It only had 190 horse power but good torque. I LOVED driving that thing and when we went from Mass to Florida for Spring Break he had lost his license so I got to do all the driving! He had bigger tires on it and I beefed up the stereo. Everyone loved it. It was also 4wd! I was surprised how easily it shifted for a Jeep so much so that when he was driving and on his phone, I would shift it for him! I would float the gears a lot and not even use the clutch!
4.0 FTW
Great story!!🎉🎉🎉
I have a 2012 Mazda3 skiactiv, 6 spd auto and it's been rock solid in reliability and dependabilty, nothing has ever gone wrong with it except i have had to top off the refrigerant. Just done the scheduled maintenance and that's it. What a great car it has been.
yeah the latest two gen's of mazda3's are great cars. I think yours is 2.0 naturally aspirated with the latest being 2.5L both with a solid traditional transmission. The current model really is best in class.
Cylinder head gasket leak?
@@Elaba_ no
2012 was a good year!!!
The “new green deal” is ruining all the new engines and costing consumers a fortune!
Yes the buyers pay in the end
New Green Scam
Almost like it’s supposed to be like that
Not to mention the fact it also costs the environment. Producing an entire vehicle has environmental costs of its own. It's a scam. They cry out in pain as they strike you.
All part of the plan. The Middle Class is being phased out.
My 2003 V8 4runner has 316k and is the smoothest running vehicle I've ever driven and I offroad it. It's amazing.
I have a 2004 toyota 4runner ,great condition , runs like new with 81k miles on and will never let it go .besides the grossly overpriced new ones they are poor quality and too much complicated technology and electrical crap that costs thousands to service .new cars today are designed to keep you in never ending debt enslaving payments. Never again
Only thing that will kill it…is Rust
I just got a 2017 Infiniti QX30 I like it because it’s quite zippy, rare and it has a 2.0 liter dual clutch transmission from Mercedes Benz- I read and did my research and most people complained about the electronics such as the infotainment systems and sensors going bad and moonroof mechanics so I did the the next best thing, I got the base model- I don’t need all the sensors, & extra unnecessary electronics. 🎉
Love it!
You beat them at their own game.
Yes. Gen 9 civic is the last gem that is deemed to be tagged as reliable Civic. That is why i bought and 17 ILX in 2019.
Gas, fluid, tires, and breaks . That is all i had done with it.
Great move and congrats.
9 gen the last Civic with 5 speed automatic and K20 engine. They throw away 5 speed and put CVT not if but when it fail.
That’s a 4.0 liter in last gen Tacoma/4Runner. Toyota is quickly becoming the poster child of this, especially their new gen trucks.
They are true work horses
@@ECPP Absolutely, such ashame that they have strayed from their true values. Simple, solid and reliable.
Never understand when you have a great engine or transmission why do you fk with it.
@@thomasrichardson-ev1wpnew emission regulations and constant interference from the government.
Amazing how certain Toyota and Honda engines have recently hit the skids. Thanks for keeping people updated on these issues!
It’s many manufacturers engines. The insane pressure to meet ever more absurd CAFE standards are pushing the limits of physics. Reliability suffers as a result.
It's happening a lot on GM and Ford models too.
All the gas efficency rules the EPA and the government are passing are causing manufacturers to move to turbos and CVT transmissions.
Older cars are definitely better unfortunately.
@@Sturmgeist702 you are well read and correct. CAFE requirements are pushing mfgs to turn to turbos in either 4 cylinder or 3 cylinder displacements. These are not long-term engines, for sure!
It is such a shame about Jeep. When you think that Jeep and Land Rover both started out as vehicles that were designed to be rugged and utilitarian. I have little faith in any new car. It stands to reason that turbo charging and evermore electronics will eventually become a pain in the arse..and let's not talk about the entire EV debacle.
I agree with you and while they provide nicer features and technology, much of these parts have a shorter limited lifespan and largely due to lower quality components annd overly complex pieces that most people don’t want or need for daily drivers
I just bought a 1994 Lincoln Town Car. I sold my 2023 Kia K5 GT-Line. That car was absolute junk. Had catastrophic transmission failure at 35,000 miles. Got a new one, put in, and electric issues started showing up like rear backup camera went out and horn stopped working, and I just dumped it at the dealer and went out and got a Town Car. That Lincoln feels like a tank and just floats down the road.
For a sedan larger than the civic, the Toyota Avalon is also very reliable with the V6. I have a 2014 and it’s comfortable and hasn’t had any major issues.
That’s a great car indeed and worth holding onto
My 2019 Nissan Murano has been literally trouble free since day one and going on 75,000 miles. No turbos, no cylinder deactivation, no start stop. Heck it's even port injection and not direct injection. I changed the CVT fluid around 37K and plan on changing it against very soon.
You better change CVT fluid and filter every 30k miles.
I have a 2008 FJ Cruiser and a 2011 Avalon. They are both paid for and easy to maintain. I take both on road trips and they cruise like ocean liners. No fancy electronics. Killer engines. Was thinking about a BMW X5 but all the bells and whistles must be expensive to repair.
You have a couple legendary vehicles for reliability and the new BMW X5 and the 3L engine will be quite reliable, they are pricey and wi t hold a candle to the Toyotas for long term service costs.
I like the older Escapes not the new ones they even look weak and wimpy
Yes my family had 2012 Ford escapes very reliable. Modern escapes tiny and probably made in Mexico.
2013+ are a pain to work on. They are a great driving suv, but once they start to break its over.
My 2002 Chevu Suburban with 232K still going strong. 2000-2006 is where its at.
Definitely the era for GM 👍🏽💯
Honda put timing chains in the 2.4L engine after 2002, I believe.
Indeed
I have 2 trucks. One is an 07 Toyota 4x4 5 spd. with 263,000 mi. and looks cool with a 3" lift. The other is an 04 Gmc denali quadrastear awd with the 6.0 monster under the hood and 243,000 mi.
Both reliable workhorses. No plans get rid of either one.
We have a Wrangler JL but the Sport model, V6 Pentastar, manual transmission, manual windows, minimal tech. Love it! Wouldn't touch that 2.0.
1999 Mercedes ML430 V8.
198,000 trouble free miles! Looks and runs like new. Leather and interior 6:50 perfect. I very much doubt any modern MB will last 25 years and look this good.
Old Hondas and Toyotas will outlast them, yeah I believe 😂
My 25 year old Corolla will outlast a five year old Yaris ,WiGo.vios...
I don't believe it...I know it.
100% 2006 Sienna 322k I have another one waiting for service.
They last a long time
Great information.
I appreciated your video detailing earl retirement. You gave warnings to those in their 40’s to not feel they are indispensable, especially in larger corporations. You are a great person. Sincerely, John Toronto
Glad it was helpful!
We got a 2010 Mercury Mariner badged "Escape" with the 3 liter engine. Yep, same thing he is praising. It was also built in that era as a Mazda Tribute. Kinda funny to look at a Mazda and see on the dataplate in the door "built by Ford Motor Co.", but it is true.
Don't forget about the sixth generation Taurus with the V6. I even say the Edge and Explorer with the 3.5 be good vehicles too.
I had a Nissan Frontier that I traded for a new one that had 380k miles. Still ran like a champ, however, I had it serviced regularly. The new one still has the V6 and not that turbo 4 cylinder crap the new Tacoma has. I'm loving my new one. I'm retired and gonna try to get 500k out of it. I really baby it though. I know that Nissan cars are crap, but the trucks are pretty decent.
2008 ford edge in a beautiful orange color. 200,000 miles and going strong. Regular oil and fluid changes.
My 2006 Hyundai Elantra GLS sedan has 219,220 miles currently.
My 2006 Lexus gs300 is approaching its 200k mark. Love that car
Newer Hyundai and Kia engine fail before warranty.
That's is very mucho for a Hyundai. At about that time they emphasized reliability because they would not survive if they hadn't. Before that, and after that, they were lemons.
I have a 2007 Mercedes Benz E350 with 208K and a 2013 Mercedes Benz ML350 with 186K and they are both bulletproof. You can barely hear the engine
@@Mr.BlackSanta Mercedes is NOT known for reliability after their acquisitions and mergers. Your a lucky person. Highway driver?
My 2004 Buick LeSabre has 202,000 miles and it has ice cold AC and still gets 30 MPG on the highway. I'm driving it until the wheels fall off.
I'm all for saving money at the pump but forcing manufacturers to hit epa fuel economy numbers is hurting us the consumer. We are forced to pay the higher cost of entry plus the added cost to maintain them due to the crazy complexity of the computerized engine systems. I miss the old push rod engines that were easy to fix without the need to have hook up a computer to it.
Thumbnail is the perfect example of depreciation of quality and reliability. Most of the 2012 and newer Ford lineup exemplifies that.
I had a 1999 Jeep Cherokee with the 4.0 straight six and it went over 500,000 miles on it. The new Jeeps won’t make it to 150,000 miles.
My ‘07 Lexus IS 350 with 195k miles is a nicer driving and more refined car than newer cars I’ve driven recently. Rented a ‘24 Sonata and it was not even close.
1981 vw rabbit pickup diesel with a ‘98 tdi swap.
75mpg
3x as powerful as when it was brand new.
Had 300,000 miles when I got it…
Going on 15 years ago
first.
gen 5 camaro ss. they are mega reliable. the ls3 l99 motors are incredible. plus they dont deprectiate.
Yes they are strong engines
Depends on where you live as well. If you live in the rust belt, snow belt or near salt water like the ocean…corrosion is your number one enemy. Keeping your car garaged, washed and well maintained can make almost any car last at least 150,000-200,000 miles or 12 years. Regardless of brand, my older cars lasted a long time but it was frame rot and corrosion seizing up vital components like brake lines etc. that caused high repair costs that ultimately were not worth it….at the time. In this tough economy, I’d be more inclined to fix what you have and avoid car payments if you can.
Nobody ever talks about rust. Buying used in PA, OH, NY etc is just asking for it.
There is a track record for reliability and known issues for old cars. With new cars you are just taking a gamble, relying solely on brand reputation. But some of the new Honda and Toyota vehicles aren’t what they used to be.
LolZ. What are you on about? You have ZERO idea what you are getting into with a used car. The market is insane and there is almost no value in used unless you get lucky af.
Vehicle manufacturers care more about production than making them more reliable. More additions mean more problems, and more expensive.
Old people want a simple vehicle without the BS additives.
The First manufacturer that makes a simple vehicle under 20k will put other manufacturers to dust.
That’s true the focus today is getting a ca r to last to warranty expiration and many people then trade in for the next. Sort of like owning a cell phone.
@@ECPP It works for Apple 😆
I drive a 2014 Ford Escape & agree that the RWD Ford/Mazda Escape/Tribute were/are more reliable. However, I have 230,000+ km on my 1.6 eco-boost. Bought in 2019, I put less than 3,000 km/yr and do two oil changes at year: one at CTC in spring & the other at Ford in the fall! So far only wear & tear issues: the dealer actually replaced the brakes, tires & fixed a bunch of electronic problems. All for the quoted price of $6,000 Cdn... I was impressed with the dealership & like the simpler dash, knobs vs touch. Plus the ride is amazingly good - better than my friend's 2021 RAV4 Hybrid!
For real reliability at stupid high mileage, get an old Chrysler, Ford or GM with a cast iron V8. The old boxy Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis/Town Car with the 351W is the way to go, between 1986 and 1991. If the towing package, P71 or P72 Police package, or taxi package is present, tough as old shoe leather. With the 351 and tow package, they are rated for 6,000 pounds of trailer with a Combined Gross Vehicle Weight Rating of 12,500 pounds. 6,000 trailer, 4,000 car, 2,500 of passengers and cargo. The heavy duty mechanical AOD is indestructible with an auxiliary transmission cooler. These are million mile cars if given reasonable care.
Get a 30’s Ford. No pesky tech. You’ll be laughing all the way to the bank, at a whopping 25mph!
I know my basic 22 Canyon is going to outlast its newer predecessor redesigned fully loaded with all the cool tech 2.4 Turbo Canyons.
I have a 2005 4Runner
315,000 miles. 4.7 V8 . Doesn't leal oil
Always starts and goes anywhere
Why does not surprise anyone.
The older cars were built better.
Yes many were
My neighbor has a 2015 CRV with 170k miles. It still looks great. Never in the shop.
I have one too. Great vehicle but I did need to replace transmission at 115,000 miles
My mom has an ‘04 Sequoia with 61k miles 2WD but she wants to get rid of it she doesn’t use it at all anymore just once a month to keep the engine running once in a while. I would take it but I have absolutely no use for it.
I own three Chrysler products, a. 2012 Dodge Challenger, 2014 Chrysler 300 AWD and a 2019 Ram 1500. The Challenger and 300 has the 3,6 Pentastar V6 and the Ram a V8. Knock on wood all run great and I baby all three vehicles. Bidens new green deal, EPA fuel standards and the wacko evironMENTALIST have destroyed the car industry. With the new turbos equip engines gives very little advantages in fuel savings and no difference on emissions. If you ever wounder what a government ran car companies looks like here you go...
These days these car companies are way too focused on how fast and how powerful they can make their cars while stomping all over reliability. All that 0 to 60 and power just to go the speed limit is crazy 😂
My 1920 model T that my great grandpa bought for $300 still runs great! I don't need fancy new technology!
These look like the back lot used vehicles that wholesalers would pick over when I sold cars in the 90’s.
They are not moving product fast enough so there will be a repeat of the US companies behaviour in the early 90s with "shortened obsolescence cycles" to "improve market conditions".
Nice I will keep what I have an always shop carefully
Old people have been saying this as long as there has been old people. Pretty sure they were complaining about new horse carriges vs the ones from 15 years ago, because thats just the conversations they have.
My 03 Bonneville ssei runs fantastic. I only drive it when it's not road salt season. It has 127k miles on it and I know that 3800 will live another well over another 100k without having any major engine issues.
My year round use vehicle is a 2022 subaru crosstrek 6 speed manual. It's been a good car so far, but it's definitely underpowered. I wonder how durable the engine will be long term
Second gen Ford Escape hybrids were popular for taxi use in NYC, 4-500,000 miles were not that uncommon.
I drive a 96 Tacoma and it’s built like a tank!! Also have a 97 E36 BMW and is an amazing machine! Both been paid off for years.
Just traded in my paid for '18 Tundra for an '05 Yukon Denali XL with 93,xxx on the odo and cleaner than the board of health. I just got tired of what sounded like lifter rattle as it ran, especially on those cold starts that scared me silly. Dealer serviced since its birth and deathly reliable, but that thinner oil that's now required seems like it lacks protection in these newer engines 🤷🏽♂️
Does that mean it's a good move to spend $10K to restore a 15 to 20 year old car?
If a similar vehicle such as a full size truck or SUV costs 90 grand new, then yes
Depends, do you already own it? Has it been mechanically maintained? A lot of things to weigh on a project like that.
project car? if it just a daily driver then you can get cheap $5-7k cars and drive that for years and run it to the ground. rinse and repeat.
@@LCJammer I tried that. It burned a quart of oil every 500 miles, constantly fouled sensors and plugs and sometimes overheated. After being nickled and dimed for over $3K, I spent $6K on an engine and never had problems since.
@@monterreymxisfun3627 you bought money pit. did you have a mechanic look at it to see if its worth it.
Love my 2012 civic, only done standard maintenance and haven’t had an issue with the drive train except for a mechanic (franchise starts with an M if u know what I mean) trying to scam us out of getting a new engine or whatever after he installed aftermarket engine mounts instead of oem. Entire car was shaking like mad but dude took no accountability lol
The older Civics are true work horses
I do feel like this could change in time if even one company has the right attitude. There’s a lot of new technology that’s expensive to fix and complicated to maintain, but in time with the right focus, the new tech can be improved and the difficult repairs can be made easier. Sadly not sure if the market incentive exists to do so.
Well done again. So said to see the way cars are going. They are more complex which adds to the purchase price while at the same time that complexity cuts down on the reliability. I bought a Honda because of its reliability but I have a 10th gen Honda Civic. The good news is that mine is a manual so no issue there but it does have a 300+ HP VTEC Turbo engine. I do plan on keeping this car for a while. Looks like I will be adding some Prolong to each oil change.
Malcolmar, I’m guessing you’ve got the Civic Type R?
I still have a feeling that the 2.0T will outlast the 1.5T. Keep up with the maintenance
@@carlovanrijk4039 Yep. I got an FK8 Civic Type R and I never plan on selling it.
@@Snowyblitz555 I definitely plan to. I am also keeping it bone stock. I did add Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires. IMO these are the tires that should have come with the car in the first place.
@@malcolmar original wheels?
20 seconds in,ALREADY KNOW WHICH MODELS: TOYOTA'S :90'S-'18ISH,HONDA: 90's- '15ish,Mazda: '10ish-current
Nice
You are the guy from the retirement channel.
Language lesson: "Famous": renowned, usually for something good. "Infamous:" well known, primarily for something bad.
That's why I Soo appreciate my 2003 Honda Accord V6. She still drives brand new, with only 80 thousand miles on her, I love the looks the interior, but most important that reliable V6 and trouble free auto transmission. I just can't get enough of this old girl. I just absolutely love this car. Don't know what happened to Honda with these new unreliable junks..
My 2002 and 2008 Corolla will out last 30,000.00 - 45,000.00 brand new Audi and US made car. I will die with old age before my Toyota Corolla engine damage. I only change oil every 3 months and all fluids and belts every 5 years.
Great reliable commuter car. Cheers
@@ECPP What is your view on 2024 corolla is no turbo but cvt???
I love the Tacoma TRD especially the one in this video Mark, beautiful color on this truck and I love the Civic si with the 6 speed manual, fun fun fun 😁 😂 😀
I know Honda had fuel dilution issues with their early 1.5 CRVs with the 1.5 but not Civics so much. Also their CVT problems are news to me.
I knew that you would bring up the death wobble on the Jeep
Great information. Thx
I’m going to be cruising like the Cubans because I’ll just keep fixing my 12 year old vehicles. Soon we will have the full on Communism to go along with our aging cars.
Haha same as long as it does not rot away. At least for a daily commuter
Truth
I can't imagine paying more for a new vehicle now knowing that it will last half as long as something from 2000 to 2015 or so. We still have a 2008 Nissan Sentra (On it's original CVT) and that car is cheap to run, maintain and easy to find parts for. It can be fixed right in the garage here at home and it still has things like working power windows, AC and cruise control. I just picked up a low mileage Hyundai Genesis with the 5.0. A little thirsty but it's an understressed motor that's easy to get around under the hood because no turbocharging.
I can't get over all the plastic these newer vehicles are incorporating in their designs.
They even get away passing off plastic as leather now with tricky wording and made up names for it. In my day we called it Pleather.
I notice that in videos covering German brands such as bmw Audi or Benz the Honda or Toyota fanboys/boomer generation owners who want no features in a car will be the first to bash them claiming they’re “junk”, they’re “unreliable” but haven’t owned one. My Audi is working great because German brands lately either their newer cars have gotten the act together. Please stop hating on German cars just say you can’t afford them.
Euro cars certainly
Do cost more and many are reasonably reliable. Even though service costs are higher
@@ECPP Yeah but that’s just the thing you need to know before getting into euro cars, many people do not and then complain when it breaks or when it’s expensive
I feel like the only car company that has stayed relatively consistent with reliability has been Mazda.
The longest l've kept a car was my 1972 AMC/AMX 401 C.I.D.
It suffered 14 yrs, accueing 176,000+ miles, with original clutch! Yep, the knew how to build them before "Planned Obsolescence".
Yep... that's what I've been seeing myself!
Indeed
The amount you save on fuel with new the new turbos you can buy a new engine.
My supercharged 3800 gets 29-30 mpg on a road trip
nice
The new tacos have issues with the auto and manual trans. Toyo is slipping fast.
i got a 2012 2nd gen escape with 212k miles still going strong!
2005 Camry 255k miles going strong. With what a huge scam the vehicle industry has become, I'll pry never own a vehicle newer than 10 years old. Its a joke.
2.4 honda doesnt have timing belt
Chain, true
Look my 01 Saturn has 268k miles on it. If it blows up tomorrow I rebuild it and have someone rebuild the 5 speed my 03 Silverado has 170k on the 5.3 best truck I’ve ever had. I’m rebuilding a 82 k20 from the frame up. The newest car I’ve had was a 17 journey it dropped a valve at 100k I’ll never own new again
They force feed geese before killing them for their livers. Turbochargers force feed engines, often small 4 cylinder ones, before...well you can guess the rest. Regarding CVTs, one would think Honda designers and engineers would have learned something from Nissan's experience. I own a 2003 Accord and a 2007 Ridgeline and intend to keep them.
I drive a 1985 Toyota truck. Still on the road. I see a few of these in my city. If it were not for the fact that lots of these were shipped to Mexico (they love the 22R engine) they would be rather common here.
6 years ago I bought a 2010 Scion tc.. It had 98000mi on it. Now at5 150000 mi it is still going strong. It will outlast me.
Ford hybrids with the eCVT transmission can handle much more mileage than the old ones with the multispeed transmissions or those dual clutch hybrids
Yes to a point, still not a reliable rig
I just picked up a clean 2012 Limited Ford Expedition with super low mileage because of the fact that vehicles back then were built so much better. All the newer cars are built like garbage and will not last.
I have s 2019 Accord just keep up with yur cvt fluid change regularly and oil change you will be good , i have 109,000 no problem
Thanks for sharing
15:08 my wife has an 09 escape, has very few issues, one word to describe her car: analog
Sir, your videos are spot on! Keep it up. Thank you 👍🏻
The suburban 2011 a good suv too mines at 200k plus miles and with the same transmission and all
Will 2024 Honda CR-Vs still be around in 2042, as long as the 18+ years my '06 CR-V that I bought new has lasted so far? I can only wait and see.