I do not want a CVT. I do not want a turbo. I do not want a hybrid. My options a getting very limited, but it is still my money. I will buy what I want and not what they want to sell me. The worst financial investment you can make is a new car.
I drive older vehicles,you can have a hell of a lot of work done for just half the price of a new one and you'll know what you have ,and it will last longer,the brand new vehicles are to complicated.
I agree with you on the CVT and turbo. My other concern is stop/start and my solution was to buy a non-turbo hybrid. At least those are designed to stop/start at traffic lights. In my opinion that's preferable to a car that was modified with a bigger battery and starter. And yes, I know there's a button to turn off stop/start. I'll add that to the hundred other things on my to-do list.
I am suspect of any new Toyota. My 2022 Camry had a mapp sensor failure at highway speeds. Downshifted so violently it nearly left the highway. Faulkner Toyota said it was caused by a rodent chew. No evidence at all of wires chewed on. The only rodent under the hood of my Camry was the dealers technician. Excellent way for Toyota to deny component failures with their products. Cost me $300 to get my car back. I sold the car to avoid future liability from the dealer.
@@frankthompson9119 First, as others said, I love the rodent under the hood 😂 Second, same thing happened to me, turns out it was the throttle body. Doesn’t matter since you got rid of the car but you don’t expect that from Toyota
It happened to me on my 2016 4Runner. I started it one day and the engine was shaking oddly and the CEL light came on. It had a code for a misfire on one cylinder when I scanned it. Something had made a little nest on the top of the engine and chewed the injector wire on that cylinder. $125 repair at my favorite independent shop.
Bought my Tacoma new in 2019 and just paid it off. Was considering trading it in but not for today's products. Never had any problems with my rig not even a check engine light ever. SIMPLE is BETTER.
The engines are too small for the HP they produce. This is just Physics. Of all the Hondas the only one id buy is the Civic Sport or the HRV. i will take less power and NA any day
Worked in engine manufacturing for 48 years. All manufacturers thoroughly clean all engine heads blocks etc. in high pressure washers. I believe the debris comes from main one and two where they were failing. Still believe it’s a design problem.
It looks like it might be caused by flashing from the machining process. To me, looks like dull tooling is leaving metal flashing still connected and is making it through the washing to break off at a random mileage and clogging oil passages in the mains.
Will be switching over to Mazda in the next few months. Deciding between the CX-50 or the smaller CX-30 carbon edition. Mazda offers great value, engines and no silly CVT transmissions.
As the owner of a 2021 Mazda 3, bought new, and now with approximately 33,000 miles, I can tell you that the interior of my Mazda is a rattlebox, with plastic that scratches very easily.The exterior paint is also verfiably and significantly thinner than Toyota or Honda paint. No issues with the engine or transmission, though. However, my Mazda dealer has refused to change my transmission fluid, saying that they will not change the fluid on lifetime sealed transmissions, which I think is a maintenance recipe for disaster.
They have all gone direct injection which I'm not too fond of in the long run. Toyota at least keeps a set of port injectors with their direct injection system to deal with a potential carbon buildup issue in the long run. It is better to get as new and as lower mileage as can be found Naturally aspirated port injected engine.
Toyota isn't blameless, obviously, but let's address the real issue. The issue is that EPA emission regulations. It's not a coincidence that all manufacturers are getting rid of their V8's in exchange for the V6 for big trucks and four cylinders replacing the V6 options in all their former V6 options. Reliability and quality going down the drain in exchange for minor emission control.
@@thehighllama8101 they can't see everything. Toyota was reliable because everything was old tech. They used the same engines and transmissions for decades. Now they cannot do that because of emissions.
@@Xander1Sheridan Good point but at least they seem to have kept the recipe of success with the new Camry. From watching the car care nut channel the new 5th gen hybrid is just an improvement rather than a totally new engine.
How? You are comparing apples to oranges, all turbo engines failures vs one v8 design?! And what exactly were you comparing? Failures and Cadillac? Unreliability? Bad design and its offending corporation?! You don’t like turbos so you just lump in Cadillac you don’t like either? 🤷♂️ Sounds like a bot response.
All new cars are disposable now days, they are not meant to last. All the unneeded tech and forced induction has ruined dependability. Keeping my 2020 4runner until it dies!
100% Hyundai and KIA are scammers, and unfortunately, Toyota seems to be heading in the same direction when it comes to warranty claims. I was personally scammed by KIA headquarters.
@@ПавелЕпифанцевъToyota thinks they can get away with it because they make reliable cars. Now that the fuck-ups get more common their scummy support really comes to show.
@@ПавелЕпифанцевъScammers? Just because you had one bad experience with KIA? Toyota tried to scam me with my Lexus before IRST recent reliability issues. Did that make Toyota scammer based on my one experience? I hear both bad and good experiences with both companies.
Hey my 2021 rav 4 tranny failed with 130,00 miles on it Toyota wants to charge me $8,200 after my warranty ran out this company is has gone down the drain
“Trust this particular vehicle”. Is spot on. I road-trip my 2008 FJ and 2011 Avalon everywhere. 24 valve V6 in both. My mechanic said he would drive either one to the North Pole and back. but…. Why do I have a mechanic? Because the last time I went to the dealer they suggested $15k worth of repairs on the Avalon…that runs like a Formula 1 car. My mechanic looked at the list and shook his head. I do not trust Toyota and probably bought my last one. And that was the second high pressure repair job they tried to sell me. Before that it was tires I didn’t need. The service guy didn’t realize I know how to read the tire age code on the tire and just lied to my face. Next car is a used X5.
I had two Hi-Lux before the Tacoma came out. One with the 20R manual and the other with the 22R manual. What a bulletproof package. They were simple and reliable. They put way too much tech in everything which adds costs. Every manufacturer has forgotten the kiss principle.
Toyota yaris 2009 here. Manual. I just hit 178k a few days ago. Not one single problem since i bought it 2nd hand with 15k. Best 8,800 pennies I have ever spent!
All automakers are going to smaller displacement, turbo-charged engines. It's not Toyota's fault, the federal government has imposed strict emission regulations that forced automakers to re-engineer their powertrain. It is unfortunate that the CAFE standards are short sighted and didn't foresee the long term implications of less reliable engines. What about all the pollution that is created by dumping cars with less than 100,000 miles.
Big trucks need big V8's, sedans can live with a V6 engines, 4 inline cylinders can take care of a sedan Corolla, GR 3 cylinders engine can be a quick and powerful, Toyota engine engineers fucked this one up good. In my opinion, Toyota engine department have new young (Green horns) engineers and lack lot of the old and wise experience of the retired engineers.
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I had a plug-in Prius 2012. The gas engine was always running, even with a full battery charge. The factory rep said I was the only one complaining and would not fix problem. I bought a 2013 Volt and now have had 2017 and 2019 VOLT. Never again Toyota.
My friend has a 2017 Tacoma TRD the 4x4 system is becoming confused the truck can't make up its mind whether it wants to go 4x4 or 2H. And when the Tacoma figures out what to do with the 4x4 you hear and feel a loud slam. The radio turns on looks like its trying to play music but no sound comes out of the speakers. If I was looking for another midsize truck I would grab another Frontier.
As a happy BMW owner, I can tell you that I might settle for a 2018, 2019 or 2020 Camry LE if I had to. My BMWs have been great, almost perfect because I do the maintenance. Oil changes every six months, etc. BMWs are like fine wine: you have to pick the right years and models. I have a 1999 528iT, 2003 530i and a 2001 330i. Referred to as e39 and e46 proven to be the most reliable. Three litre inline six cylinders with no turbos. Anyway, back to the CAMRY. The one I chose, though not as powerful as the V6, offers very good fuel economy 30/39 mpg. It is almost the ideal family size: 192/72/57 in. The eight speed automatic transmission seems very good. Just a little short on headroom. Only a few negatives, such as after 2020, the headunit was no longer integrated into the dashboard. The front doors swing open too easily on a hill or a windy day and swing so wide that they are out of reach even for me at 6ft 2in with long. Now in 2024 or 2025, I wish there are certain things I wish they had kept.
I get emission standards are forcing car manufacturers to downsize and turbo charge engines. But the electronics cars have nowadays is mind-blowing if Toyota knew that person was going over 85 and near 114 mph. Not only are we loosing reliability but also privacy
FUCK YOU! My 2024 RAV4 Hybrid is super reliable and hybrid tech is proven for 20 years! No turbos, no V6, just plain old NA 2.5L. This will outlast all of your crappy Tundras
I have a 2004 MR2 Spyder with the old school 1.8L 4 cylinder, non turbo, and 6 speed manual transmission (came with a 5 speed and swapped to the 6 speed for better highway driveability). It’s an older Toyota, so insanely reliable, just like most of the old Toyotas. A really basic car, essentially a Corolla convertible. It gets nearly 38 mpg on the highway. All the manufacturers need to go back to making cars this way. Basic and reliable. A lot of people (myself included) don’t want all the unreliable tech in their cars. I’ll never sell the MR2
Established car company gets a hot shot CEO that’s paid millions. Product is changed to globalize production with interchangeable parts to boost profits. Shareholders get maximum profit while customers get less and less as before. Yes, they have been Americanized.
Toyota has always globalized production with interchangeable parts. It’s not a new strategy. The products have also been changed before the new CEO took over. Why are you putting things out of order and making up lies? You’re given such an easy point to prove, yet you still manage to mess up the facts, a truly American thing to do 😂
Good video, good questions-time will tell. I’ll add three more problems with the new Tacoma. They have issues with their transmissions; even the manual transmission has reliability problems. The shocks can fail, the top mount could break at low speed, and the front differential could also break. Additionally, this model has a new 2.4 Turbo engine. It seems that if you’re buying a new Toyota these days, you should stick with the cheaper models like the Corolla, RAV4, or Camry.
It's a good policy in theory. One I used to subscribe to - I had a VQ37 NA powered Infititi Q50 and a 3.5L Honda Odyssey. The VQ37 failed at 50,000km when a valve spring failed dropping a valve into the cylinder while at highway speeds. Full engine replacement under warranty, but goes to show that despite best efforts, bad things can happen. Kept the odyssey but swapped fro VQ for a B58:)
That's what I have now a 2016 honda accord touring and we'll over one hundred fifty thousand miles and no problems only major job was having the timing belt changed now it rides like new😊
Not all turbo engines are bad, some of them are extremely reliable ! Look at all diesels, they’re all turbo. Even some gas turbo’s are decent, they just need some extra care. Don’t let mass generalizations get to ya! Toyota has been turbocharging cars for decades (maybe not in the US).
Toyota has been forced like everyone else to meet fuel economy and co2 emissions targets set by governments. This means highly strung and over complicated drive trains are the norm. Electric cars are the altimate goal that governments want us to go to whether we want to go there or not.
I don't think the answer is as simple as the government telling Toyota to switch to turbocharged 4 cylinder engines. Nissan still has a V6 engine in their trucks and they seem to be doing just fine. After all, fuel economy is almost the same between the turbocharged 4 cylinders & the naturally aspirated 6's.
except everyone follows the same regulations yet only toyota cant seem to build a reliable MODERN engine. It is toyotas fault for being cheap and building unreliable and cheap vehicles. I'm sure toyota isn't to blame for wastegate issues, blowing transmissions, and knobs and seat trims breaking off. That's all on government regulations /s
I guess it depends if they repair the issue in a timely fashion and for free. I got a notice in May that my Honda Accord is recalled but they still don't have the part for it.
I have a 2022 Toyota Tundra... no less than 6 recalls since I've had it, not to mention their "scare tactics" with their constant emails of "Get these recommended services done or it'll be catastrophic!" Every time I've gone in for a "recall," it costs me a minimum of $250.00 with their BS! I'm DONE with Toyota! I went with them because of their reputation. I will NOT buy another one because of how they now do business!
On the GR failure mode; you have 3 cylinder engine producing 300 HP, a feat only possible with high revs, as revs #'s are proportional to HP output. Toyota wanted to publish the magical 100HP/cyl, only to accept high-higher Revs. Led to valve float, and engine disintegration.
If they're going to add turbos and GDI along with reducing displacement, horsepower numbers must be reduced to compensate for reliability. At least for now it seems.
I bought a used 2021 Lexus RX with the NA 6 cyl. engine instead of the new RX with a turbo 4 cyl. engine that requires premium fuel. Quality is definitely moving backwards
The big part of this issue is the strict epa regulations and the push for electricity. Also, what could be elevated some of these issues is 1 quality control and changing your oil at least the first few oil changes at 500 to 1000 miles. Just as if you used to do back in the day when engines need to be broken in.
Yes, turbos need clean oil, and full synthetic oil as well, if they are to last a long time. The speeds at which turbos spin and the heat generated are phenomenal, which places a much greater stress on the oil.
There are two different cases here. The 3.4 L. Engine by Toyota had significant design flaw issues. This was not the fault of the owner but Toyota’s manufacturing methods. But the Corolla GR seems to be human abuse error.
No, they have not paid their price. In fact, they seem to be doing just fine. People still buy their cars. They think they're still the best. I drive a Subaru and I'd love some Toyota reliability. But did Toyota screw car buyers? Yes, or at the least they allowed the dealers to maximize the screwing of customers by not producing enough and making base prices higher. What can customers do? Toyota is still the benchmark for quality and there really have not been a contender for a long long time.
absolutely agree. no turbo, no cvt, amost certainly, there will bee no sale until those items are changed. was going to buy a new camry, will keep looking.
My 23 4runner has had multiple un toyota like issues since new. I am hoping it is good now at 18k and I can hold onto it because toyotas quality seems to be dropping sharply. On the gr corolla I was interested in one but who wants a sports car you can't hit 85 in without voiding the warranty or catching on fire. My 14 corolla S was the most reliable car I have ever owned. I kind of wish we could go back to that level of quality.
Just got a 2015 Camry SE a month or so ago, it will probably outlive me. I considered getting one of the newer gen, they look pretty nice, but for reliability sake, I scored big time I think.
I have a 2004 1st gen Tundra and a 2000 Corolla. Both are tanks and a pleasure to own. Bought truck in 04 and have had Corolla for 15 years. Maintenance and parts are up to date. Excellent trustworthy cars and trucks. The 25 Camry is also hybrid only. That is ?? Your comments?
Have you had to replace the steering u joint on your camry yet? If not get set for an $800 repair. I have the 019 version of the same camry you have, so far for me it's been the said steering joint and the slugish 8 speed trany. Other than that so far so good i guess closing in on 120000 klics. I do recomend 8k oil changes and get a trany service at 80000 klicks and a coolant change at 100000. That 8 speed transmission worries me though.
I KNEW they were changing the motors and transmissions. So I quickly bought a 2024 Camry. Turbo motors rev high and fail. I've owned turbo engines before. AND that CVT trans??? Shove that! REMEMBER the truck frames were outsourced and are RUSTING to dust!
Typically, turbocharged engines are not high-revving engines. They have a relatively flat torque curve and develop their maximum torque in the mid-range so there's no need for high revs as with a naturally aspirated overhead cam engine.
@@davidturgeon2087 Like I said I owned 2 turbo charged engines... Who told you they are low revving??? Those little 4 cylinders start producing HORSEPOWER at high revs! How many have you owned???
I've been trying to warn people online that new Toyota vehicles that didn't use the reliable predecessor's design are Always bad. Lol it doesn't affect me because without a excellent track record I don't touch it. Did you know? A Toyota Yaris year 2012 to 2019 is more reliable than any Corolla manufactured. The engine and transmission (manual or auto) was mass produced for 20 years. The Major chassis/body redesign was year 2012. Now people know my secret 😚🥰
Anything with a Turbo as a daily driver is a disaster. Toyota , no exception. I have the 24 Camry Se Hybrid nightshade. Great car. Stick with Toyota Hybrid set up and you'll be fine.
Turbo charging isn't new, they've been doing that forever on every car in japan, we just didn't get them for some reason. Every car had a turbo charge counter part in japan during the 80s, 90s and 00s.
We did get turbocharged Toyotas in the Celica and MR2 models back in the nineties. Both were quite reliable vehicles, including the engines. The Celicas were campaigned by Toyota in the World Rally Cup, where they did quite well.
As good as their hybrid is it's a shame the new Camry for 25 cannot be had with a normally aspirated engine and cannot be had with an 8-speed automatic any longer. Any car I purchase from here forward will not be one of the brand new models. Also I hate the digital, full digital gauge clusters.
Few Toyota vehicles bought for performance, so does Toyota understand their main customers? Customers buy and keep for decades, but guess Toyota now woke up they won't have these customers money for decades. How do they keep their mega factories busy for decades?
Well, then they’ll just become like every other manufacturer. Once they are no longer special (which they were for reliability) people will buy elsewhere. People weren’t purchasing because their vehicles are sexy, that’s for sure.
To be fair, I'd charge similar if I owned a shop. Why shouldn't they make a killing for their labor? It's far more complex work now and people can't do it themselves
All cars today in my opinion are recyclable. Not not like they older models in my opinion. Never the same as the old school cars too many complex electronics are on cars today hard to fix also
You should talk about the tracking devices that they install on those new GR corollas. Which is how they know how fast he was going and what he was doing with his car.
Sir i am trying to get a 2025 toyota camry le FWD Hybrid the base model . without the convience package and the add ons such as flloor mats mud guards trunk cargo mats door edge guards. every dealership i called claimed not to carry ones wihtout these packages. Can you advise me where and how to get one. thank you.
The thing about Toyota is that we know they are going to fix it.Teething pain, but as a buyer, if there is a major major change in model, i.e.,an engine give it time to develop. Always give it a minimum of 3 years. Toyota will get it right
This is probably the best news for Mazda ever. If Nissan would ditch their CVTs, this would probably help them tremendously also. I won't buy another vehicle with a CVT.
Sounds like a fuel issue causing the GRs to explode into flames ! As for the so-called metal filings in the engines, only miles and time will tell if the replacement motors will hold up.
Was the debris being left in the engine deliberate... a type of sabotage .. and didn't this happen to kia or hyundai too .. also didn't boeing have problems with doors falling off etc. Sabotage ?? Just an opinion I'm throwing out there .
turbo engines do not last as long as non-turbo engines. If I were Toyota, I would stick with the engines that created the consumer belief of reliability.
Then pay $5000 more for the car. That's what the EPA fine is for not meeting fuel economy standards. Toyota has to pay that amount on every vehicle they sell.
Is the real problem here Toyota or the company striving to meet new Federal & State regulations for mileage and emissions. You even have the situation where EV's are being mandated as the only vehcle's that can be sold after a designated date in some states.
Toyota has paid the price. Stock has broken records and sales are up. They have the lowest percentage of cars on the lot. No one is in higher demand expect maybe Ferrari or Porsche. This guy is hilarious. Yes they have issue but they will be fine and are taking care of their customers.
I learned something, most old 🚗🚗 car and the most reliable by the years they have been used and tested,with experience mechanic and similar problems been solved and their part are either available or had ways they were repaired or resolved. Latest cars on the other hand had sophisticated, trouble unknown issues that only the buyer will experience and suffer more than any other stakeholders in the whole cars circles from Manufacturer to Dealership.
I went with a 2024 4Runner. I’m hoping this car will be the reliability we all are expecting. The new 2025 4Runner looks great but I’m not sure about the new platform.
Don’t even know what to buy these days… did a bunch of research afew years ago before buying a 2020 Mazda 6 with a 2.5T - purported to be a great vehicle - but now I hear issues with cylinder heads cracking - hope this doesn’t prove to be an issue on mine…
That's why if I was in the market for a compact SUV, I'd pick up one of the current RAV4s with the naturally aspirated engine and 8 speed auto for the ultimate longevity and peace of mind (even the hybrids are not as good in those aspects since you'd have to worry about the replacement cost of the battery if you keep your car for a long time). The new wave of Toyotas have increasingly been incorporating turbos into their engines which has back fired as the video shows, and the new RAV4 probably will all as well, or they may only offer it only as a hybrid like they did with the Camry.
The 5.7 is IMHO average and it has common failure items that are very expensive to fix due to packaging. I don't know of any major design flaws with the 3.4 and the recall is for machining debris causing main bearing excessive wear failure etc.
BMWs are some of the worst, especially the used cars. Toyota quality definitely went down, especially when you compare the 460 to the 550 Lexus great Channel dude.
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I do not want a CVT. I do not want a turbo. I do not want a hybrid. My options a getting very limited, but it is still my money. I will buy what I want and not what they want to sell me. The worst financial investment you can make is a new car.
I agree CVT is a mess and must avoid
Hybrid is awesome dude(prius,and camry) very reliable cars
I drive older vehicles,you can have a hell of a lot of work done for just half the price of a new one and you'll know what you have ,and it will last longer,the brand new vehicles are to complicated.
a car is an investment in happiness, but the platform of no CVT, Non-Turbo, Non-Hybrid, need to be in place, best Toyota is an old Toyota
I agree with you on the CVT and turbo. My other concern is stop/start and my solution was to buy a non-turbo hybrid. At least those are designed to stop/start at traffic lights. In my opinion that's preferable to a car that was modified with a bigger battery and starter. And yes, I know there's a button to turn off stop/start. I'll add that to the hundred other things on my to-do list.
I am suspect of any new Toyota. My 2022 Camry had a mapp sensor failure at highway speeds. Downshifted so violently it nearly left the highway. Faulkner Toyota said it was caused by a rodent chew. No evidence at all of wires chewed on. The only rodent under the hood of my Camry was the dealers technician. Excellent way for Toyota to deny component failures with their products. Cost me $300 to get my car back. I sold the car to avoid future liability from the dealer.
''The only rodent under the hood of my Camry was the dealers technician''
Lmfao hahahahahah
I must remember that line.
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@@frankthompson9119 First, as others said, I love the rodent under the hood 😂 Second, same thing happened to me, turns out it was the throttle body. Doesn’t matter since you got rid of the car but you don’t expect that from Toyota
It happened to me on my 2016 4Runner. I started it one day and the engine was shaking oddly and the CEL light came on. It had a code for a misfire on one cylinder when I scanned it. Something had made a little nest on the top of the engine and chewed the injector wire on that cylinder. $125 repair at my favorite independent shop.
I used to be a Toyota fan for my whole life but not anymore.
Bought my Tacoma new in 2019 and just paid it off. Was considering trading it in but not for today's products. Never had any problems with my rig not even a check engine light ever. SIMPLE is BETTER.
You'll probably going to say the same thing about 2024 taco after the 5th - 6th generation came out 🤣
Keep it like FoREver.
High heat and high pressure destroy engines, exactly what a turbo does!
Think I'd rather try my odds in Vegas than buy a new vehicle.
The engines are too small for the HP they produce. This is just Physics. Of all the Hondas the only one id buy is the Civic Sport or the HRV. i will take less power and NA any day
Worked in engine manufacturing for 48 years. All manufacturers thoroughly clean all engine heads blocks etc. in high pressure washers. I believe the debris comes from main one and two where they were failing. Still believe it’s a design problem.
It looks like it might be caused by flashing from the machining process. To me, looks like dull tooling is leaving metal flashing still connected and is making it through the washing to break off at a random mileage and clogging oil passages in the mains.
wrong.....the Japan made never had issues
I agree. It seems too simple of reason. 😮
Turbo charging, CVT, and direct injection are the issues. Got to be careful and make sure you over maintain these new cars or suffer the consequences.
Will be switching over to Mazda in the next few months. Deciding between the CX-50 or the smaller CX-30 carbon edition. Mazda offers great value, engines and no silly CVT transmissions.
As the owner of a 2021 Mazda 3, bought new, and now with approximately 33,000 miles, I can tell you that the interior of my Mazda is a rattlebox, with plastic that scratches very easily.The exterior paint is also verfiably and significantly thinner than Toyota or Honda paint. No issues with the engine or transmission, though. However, my Mazda dealer has refused to change my transmission fluid, saying that they will not change the fluid on lifetime sealed transmissions, which I think is a maintenance recipe for disaster.
I'll be switching over to Acura MDX non-turbo 3.5 v6😅
They have all gone direct injection which I'm not too fond of in the long run. Toyota at least keeps a set of port injectors with their direct injection system to deal with a potential carbon buildup issue in the long run. It is better to get as new and as lower mileage as can be found Naturally aspirated port injected engine.
@@abraham3981 Mazda engines have a much better oil/vapor separator. Only very little carbon build up at 200k miles. Have seen it with my own eyes.
All Mazdas, with 2.5L, since 2018 use cylinder deactivation. Has been a recall already for problems so proceed with caution.
Toyota isn't blameless, obviously, but let's address the real issue. The issue is that EPA emission regulations. It's not a coincidence that all manufacturers are getting rid of their V8's in exchange for the V6 for big trucks and four cylinders replacing the V6 options in all their former V6 options. Reliability and quality going down the drain in exchange for minor emission control.
And the cars are more expensive. I predict a new Cuba style auto market.. People like me looking for old, simple cars.
OK, do the testing and address engineering issues before you sell the dang engines.
@@thehighllama8101 they can't see everything. Toyota was reliable because everything was old tech. They used the same engines and transmissions for decades. Now they cannot do that because of emissions.
@@Xander1Sheridan Good point but at least they seem to have kept the recipe of success with the new Camry. From watching the car care nut channel the new 5th gen hybrid is just an improvement rather than a totally new engine.
The 3.4 v6 engine cost $34000 to replace which makes it a throwaway truck.The 5.7 engine only cost $8000.
The turbo engine failures remind me of the GM Northstar V8 fiasco that took GM a decade to fix, trashing the reputation of Cadillac.
They should have kept the 4.9 V8. I had a 93 sedan DeVille, I got it up to 322 thousand miles and sold it.
Did they ever fix the Northstar and if so, what year?
@@paystyles5429 Fixed about 2005 or 06
@@paystyles5429 I think around 2006, the DTS
How? You are comparing apples to oranges, all turbo engines failures vs one v8 design?! And what exactly were you comparing? Failures and Cadillac? Unreliability? Bad design and its offending corporation?! You don’t like turbos so you just lump in Cadillac you don’t like either? 🤷♂️ Sounds like a bot response.
All new cars are disposable now days, they are not meant to last. All the unneeded tech and forced induction has ruined dependability. Keeping my 2020 4runner until it dies!
Me too…2018 here…
That moment Toyota goes full Hyundai lol.
Ouch
100%
Hyundai and KIA are scammers, and unfortunately, Toyota seems to be heading in the same direction when it comes to warranty claims. I was personally scammed by KIA headquarters.
@@ПавелЕпифанцевъToyota thinks they can get away with it because they make reliable cars. Now that the fuck-ups get more common their scummy support really comes to show.
Hyundai is getting more reliable while Toyota is going the opposite direction.
@@ПавелЕпифанцевъScammers? Just because you had one bad experience with KIA? Toyota tried to scam me with my Lexus before IRST recent reliability issues. Did that make Toyota scammer based on my one experience? I hear both bad and good experiences with both companies.
will never buy a toyota again , their dealerships are terrible also
I'll buy a Toyota, as long as it's pre 2020
Hey my 2021 rav 4 tranny failed with 130,00 miles on it Toyota wants to charge me $8,200 after my warranty ran out this company is has gone down the drain
Turbos and CV transmissions have been the biggest missteps in the past 10 years of automaking.
It’s caused a lot of trouble
I'll keep driving my 2012 Corolla for another 20 years or so . . .
Keep that in mind every day and how you drive it. You'll end up with the best deal of all.
“Trust this particular vehicle”. Is spot on. I road-trip my 2008 FJ and 2011 Avalon everywhere. 24 valve V6 in both. My mechanic said he would drive either one to the North Pole and back. but…. Why do I have a mechanic? Because the last time I went to the dealer they suggested $15k worth of repairs on the Avalon…that runs like a Formula 1 car. My mechanic looked at the list and shook his head. I do not trust Toyota and probably bought my last one. And that was the second high pressure repair job they tried to sell me. Before that it was tires I didn’t need. The service guy didn’t realize I know how to read the tire age code on the tire and just lied to my face. Next car is a used X5.
Bmw is NOT reliable. Look elsewhere
That is a dealer problem and not a Toyota problem.
All new car dealers do this. The service manager gets a cut of all repairs sold, so they have incentive to sell stuff you don't need.
@@wysetech2000 it’s says Toyota Service center right on the building. Same company.
@@2driverpls652 The dealers have their name on it but they are independent from the company. It's a franchize.
I miss a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder with a manual transmission.
I had two Hi-Lux before the Tacoma came out. One with the 20R manual and the other with the 22R manual. What a bulletproof package. They were simple and reliable. They put way too much tech in everything which adds costs. Every manufacturer has forgotten the kiss principle.
nissan sentra
Toyota yaris 2009 here. Manual. I just hit 178k a few days ago. Not one single problem since i bought it 2nd hand with 15k. Best 8,800 pennies I have ever spent!
Also a great theft deterrent...
All automakers are going to smaller displacement, turbo-charged engines. It's not Toyota's fault, the federal government has imposed strict emission regulations that forced automakers to re-engineer their powertrain. It is unfortunate that the CAFE standards are short sighted and didn't foresee the long term implications of less reliable engines. What about all the pollution that is created by dumping cars with less than 100,000 miles.
because green is a ballshit
It is their fault. They have the money to pay for a massive advertising blitz to go after the EPA. Cowardly Hoe's.
Big trucks need big V8's, sedans can live with a V6 engines, 4 inline cylinders can take care of a sedan Corolla, GR 3 cylinders engine can be a quick and powerful, Toyota engine engineers fucked this one up good. In my opinion, Toyota engine department have new young (Green horns) engineers and lack lot of the old and wise experience of the retired engineers.
I had a plug-in Prius 2012. The gas engine was always running, even with a full battery charge. The factory rep said I was the only one complaining and would not fix problem. I bought a 2013 Volt and now have had 2017 and 2019 VOLT. Never again Toyota.
These electric vehicles with the batteries going dead and going in into our landfill will be the death of us all
They will get recycled and you will be killed by carbon monoxide or air pollution by the fossil cars long before that.
I saw a Tesla on the back of a tow truck about 15 minutes ago haha 😄 😂😅
If for a moment you think auto batteries going into landfills are the worst things being dumped into them, you are sadly mistaken.
@@Vincent-ke5znI saw one of those trucks on a wreck or last week😅
@@Vincent-ke5znso you have never seen a gas vehicle on the back of a tow truck haha?😊
My friend has a 2017 Tacoma TRD the 4x4 system is becoming confused the truck can't make up its mind whether it wants to go 4x4 or 2H. And when the Tacoma figures out what to do with the 4x4 you hear and feel a loud slam. The radio turns on looks like its trying to play music but no sound comes out of the speakers. If I was looking for another midsize truck I would grab another Frontier.
As a happy BMW owner, I can tell you that I might settle for a 2018, 2019 or 2020 Camry LE if I had to. My BMWs have been great, almost perfect because I do the maintenance. Oil changes every six months, etc. BMWs are like fine wine: you have to pick the right years and models. I have a 1999 528iT, 2003 530i and a 2001 330i. Referred to as e39 and e46 proven to be the most reliable. Three litre inline six cylinders with no turbos. Anyway, back to the CAMRY. The one I chose, though not as powerful as the V6, offers very good fuel economy 30/39 mpg. It is almost the ideal family size: 192/72/57 in. The eight speed automatic transmission seems very good. Just a little short on headroom. Only a few negatives, such as after 2020, the headunit was no longer integrated into the dashboard. The front doors swing open too easily on a hill or a windy day and swing so wide that they are out of reach even for me at 6ft 2in with long. Now in 2024 or 2025, I wish there are certain things I wish they had kept.
I get emission standards are forcing car manufacturers to downsize and turbo charge engines. But the electronics cars have nowadays is mind-blowing if Toyota knew that person was going over 85 and near 114 mph. Not only are we loosing reliability but also privacy
This was a Toyota dealer and not Toyota.
@@wysetech2000 wrong.
Not only that...they marked up the prices!! FUCK NEW GEN TOYOTAS!
I understand your frustration, but careful with the language. Children may be reading it.
Totoya believed they were highly dependable, so they decided to increase prices to give the CEO a substantial bonus at the end of the year.
FUCK YOU! My 2024 RAV4 Hybrid is super reliable and hybrid tech is proven for 20 years! No turbos, no V6, just plain old NA 2.5L. This will outlast all of your crappy Tundras
I have a 2004 MR2 Spyder with the old school 1.8L 4 cylinder, non turbo, and 6 speed manual transmission (came with a 5 speed and swapped to the 6 speed for better highway driveability). It’s an older Toyota, so insanely reliable, just like most of the old Toyotas. A really basic car, essentially a Corolla convertible. It gets nearly 38 mpg on the highway. All the manufacturers need to go back to making cars this way. Basic and reliable. A lot of people (myself included) don’t want all the unreliable tech in their cars. I’ll never sell the MR2
Scotty Kilmer says stay away from all turbo 4's
Yes but some are better than others
Everyone should stay away from him. Washed up old hack.
scotty is a click bait fool
@@ECPPhow about type r engines do they suck?
Established car company gets a hot shot CEO that’s paid millions. Product is changed to globalize production with interchangeable parts to boost profits. Shareholders get maximum profit while customers get less and less as before. Yes, they have been Americanized.
Are you talking about Stellantis 🤣
Toyota has always globalized production with interchangeable parts. It’s not a new strategy. The products have also been changed before the new CEO took over. Why are you putting things out of order and making up lies? You’re given such an easy point to prove, yet you still manage to mess up the facts, a truly American thing to do 😂
I love your informative video Mark
Thank you very much. Yes I want to start ramping up a little more info and news when it relates. Cheers
Good video, good questions-time will tell. I’ll add three more problems with the new Tacoma. They have issues with their transmissions; even the manual transmission has reliability problems. The shocks can fail, the top mount could break at low speed, and the front differential could also break. Additionally, this model has a new 2.4 Turbo engine. It seems that if you’re buying a new Toyota these days, you should stick with the cheaper models like the Corolla, RAV4, or Camry.
I would never buy a turbo charged car no matter who makes it they don't last long term im looking at buying a 2017-2018 Honda touring v6
There are a few reliable turbo engines out there but far fewer than NA engines
It's a good policy in theory. One I used to subscribe to - I had a VQ37 NA powered Infititi Q50 and a 3.5L Honda Odyssey. The VQ37 failed at 50,000km when a valve spring failed dropping a valve into the cylinder while at highway speeds. Full engine replacement under warranty, but goes to show that despite best efforts, bad things can happen. Kept the odyssey but swapped fro VQ for a B58:)
Toyota has been making turbos for decades...I am loving the new 2.4t in my 24 Tacoma
That's what I have now a 2016 honda accord touring and we'll over one hundred fifty thousand miles and no problems only major job was having the timing belt changed now it rides like new😊
Not all turbo engines are bad, some of them are extremely reliable ! Look at all diesels, they’re all turbo. Even some gas turbo’s are decent, they just need some extra care. Don’t let mass generalizations get to ya! Toyota has been turbocharging cars for decades (maybe not in the US).
Recent problems actually started with the rollout of the BRZ4, which has become an overall disaster.
Toyota has been forced like everyone else to meet fuel economy and co2 emissions targets set by governments.
This means highly strung and over complicated drive trains are the norm.
Electric cars are the altimate goal that governments want us to go to whether we want to go there or not.
There is a way to get both great mileage with a lower stressed engine. The tradeoff would be not buying a new car as often.
I don't think the answer is as simple as the government telling Toyota to switch to turbocharged 4 cylinder engines. Nissan still has a V6 engine in their trucks and they seem to be doing just fine. After all, fuel economy is almost the same between the turbocharged 4 cylinders & the naturally aspirated 6's.
Don't blame toyota,blame the emission regulations,the turbo's aren't on the engines for power but to meet those regulations,do your homework guys!
except everyone follows the same regulations yet only toyota cant seem to build a reliable MODERN engine. It is toyotas fault for being cheap and building unreliable and cheap vehicles. I'm sure toyota isn't to blame for wastegate issues, blowing transmissions, and knobs and seat trims breaking off. That's all on government regulations /s
The Toyota 3.4 turbo v6 vs 4.6 v8. How does the 3.4 address emission ? Gas mileage is better in the v8 so it burns less fuel into the air.
I rented a 2024 Tacoma, it only has 20 MPG. My 2024 Mazda has an online V6, gives me 34 MPG.
I guess it depends if they repair the issue in a timely fashion and for free. I got a notice in May that my Honda Accord is recalled but they still don't have the part for it.
I have a 2022 Toyota Tundra... no less than 6 recalls since I've had it, not to mention their "scare tactics" with their constant emails of "Get these recommended services done or it'll be catastrophic!" Every time I've gone in for a "recall," it costs me a minimum of $250.00 with their BS! I'm DONE with Toyota! I went with them because of their reputation. I will NOT buy another one because of how they now do business!
That's dealer problem and not a Toyota problem.
Recalls should be free. Sounds like they are selling you extras. Just decline the extras.
On the GR failure mode; you have 3 cylinder engine producing 300 HP, a feat only possible with high revs, as revs #'s are proportional to HP output. Toyota wanted to publish the magical 100HP/cyl, only to accept high-higher Revs. Led to valve float, and engine disintegration.
My Porsche 911 991.1 is a 3.6 and 400hp so that’s more than 100hp per liter. It’s reliable :)
@@4Lights.5Liights my Focus RS is mildly tuned to 420 hp 2.3 liters and its been bulletproof with the exception of shitty bosch fuel rail sensors.
If they're going to add turbos and GDI along with reducing displacement, horsepower numbers must be reduced to compensate for reliability. At least for now it seems.
Just went back and bought a 2010 E 350 4matic Mercedes. Naturally aspirated 3.5. No air shocks! A work of art! Stay away from turbos
44,000 miles
The prices of pre-owned naturally aspirated Toyotas are also responding to this. Some are even selling for more than when they were new.
Just saw a 93 Tacoma short cab going for $11,000.
We’ve seen the pattern. Blame the owners until more and more broke down and their cornered to admit there is a problem
Yes I agree many of these car makers push back as a standard operating procedure
I bought a used 2021 Lexus RX with the NA 6 cyl. engine instead of the new RX with a turbo 4 cyl. engine that requires premium fuel.
Quality is definitely moving backwards
The big part of this issue is the strict epa regulations and the push for electricity.
Also, what could be elevated some of these issues is 1 quality control and changing your oil at least the first few oil changes at 500 to 1000 miles. Just as if you used to do back in the day when engines need to be broken in.
Yes, turbos need clean oil, and full synthetic oil as well, if they are to last a long time. The speeds at which turbos spin and the heat generated are phenomenal, which places a much greater stress on the oil.
There are two different cases here. The 3.4 L. Engine by Toyota had significant design flaw issues. This was not the fault of the owner but Toyota’s manufacturing methods. But the Corolla GR seems to be human abuse error.
There is a channel that found a dealer installed tracking device in their car because they were having trouble tuning it
In Los Angeles we also have to deal with dealer markups above MSRP which steered me away from them.
Should I perform my first oil change at 1000 miles???
Have a 2010 Avalon, love it.
No, they have not paid their price. In fact, they seem to be doing just fine. People still buy their cars. They think they're still the best. I drive a Subaru and I'd love some Toyota reliability. But did Toyota screw car buyers? Yes, or at the least they allowed the dealers to maximize the screwing of customers by not producing enough and making base prices higher. What can customers do? Toyota is still the benchmark for quality and there really have not been a contender for a long long time.
Per car care nut -if I understand correctly the 3.4 twin turbo v6 crosses over to Lexus lx600 not gx550 different part numbers
I bought a 2023 Corolla SE a year ago hopefully nothing will happen !🤞
Love your honest reviews. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Australia.😊
absolutely agree. no turbo, no cvt, amost certainly, there will bee no sale until those items are changed. was going to buy a new camry, will keep looking.
Cheers. Keep it simple
My 23 4runner has had multiple un toyota like issues since new. I am hoping it is good now at 18k and I can hold onto it because toyotas quality seems to be dropping sharply. On the gr corolla I was interested in one but who wants a sports car you can't hit 85 in without voiding the warranty or catching on fire. My 14 corolla S was the most reliable car I have ever owned. I kind of wish we could go back to that level of quality.
Just got a 2015 Camry SE a month or so ago, it will probably outlive me. I considered getting one of the newer gen, they look pretty nice, but for reliability sake, I scored big time I think.
The 16-17 are rated the best
Check your facts I think the 2026 Corolla Automatic is a 6 speed, Thumbs up on the Vlog! ❤🤍💙We Love you too!😇
Thanks for the info!
I have a 2004 1st gen Tundra and a 2000 Corolla. Both are tanks and a pleasure to own. Bought truck in 04 and have had Corolla for 15 years. Maintenance and parts are up to date. Excellent trustworthy cars and trucks. The 25 Camry is also hybrid only. That is ??
Your comments?
The RAV 4 and the corolla has a “ coolant bypass valve defective part” class action lawsuit in effect because Toyota will not recall them
Thanks for sharing
Have you had to replace the steering u joint on your camry yet? If not get set for an $800 repair. I have the 019 version of the same camry you have, so far for me it's been the said steering joint and the slugish 8 speed trany. Other than that so far so good i guess closing in on 120000 klics. I do recomend 8k oil changes and get a trany service at 80000 klicks and a coolant change at 100000. That 8 speed transmission worries me though.
I worry too, I'm on my third Toyota and can't see getting a fourth.
I KNEW they were changing the motors and transmissions. So I quickly bought a 2024 Camry. Turbo motors rev high and fail. I've owned turbo engines before. AND that CVT trans??? Shove that! REMEMBER the truck frames were outsourced and are RUSTING to dust!
Not built like they used to be, in my opinion.
Typically, turbocharged engines are not high-revving engines. They have a relatively flat torque curve and develop their maximum torque in the mid-range so there's no need for high revs as with a naturally aspirated overhead cam engine.
@@davidturgeon2087 Like I said I owned 2 turbo charged engines... Who told you they are low revving??? Those little 4 cylinders start producing HORSEPOWER at high revs! How many have you owned???
@@davidturgeon2087 Cat got your tongue??? I know you NEVER owned a turbo charged engine by your statement. I would bet you never even seen one lol.
****A new generation of workers are making changes at Toyota, screwing up BabyBoomer Toyota reliability.
I've been trying to warn people online that new Toyota vehicles that didn't use the reliable predecessor's design are Always bad. Lol it doesn't affect me because without a excellent track record I don't touch it. Did you know? A Toyota Yaris year 2012 to 2019 is more reliable than any Corolla manufactured. The engine and transmission (manual or auto) was mass produced for 20 years. The Major chassis/body redesign was year 2012. Now people know my secret 😚🥰
Gdi and a turbo don’t mix. Too much pressure on the engine
Anything with a Turbo as a daily driver is a disaster. Toyota , no exception. I have the 24 Camry Se Hybrid nightshade. Great car. Stick with Toyota Hybrid set up and you'll be fine.
Turbo charging isn't new, they've been doing that forever on every car in japan, we just didn't get them for some reason. Every car had a turbo charge counter part in japan during the 80s, 90s and 00s.
We did get turbocharged Toyotas in the Celica and MR2 models back in the nineties. Both were quite reliable vehicles, including the engines. The Celicas were campaigned by Toyota in the World Rally Cup, where they did quite well.
As good as their hybrid is it's a shame the new Camry for 25 cannot be had with a normally aspirated engine and cannot be had with an 8-speed automatic any longer. Any car I purchase from here forward will not be one of the brand new models.
Also I hate the digital, full digital gauge clusters.
Few Toyota vehicles bought for performance, so does Toyota understand their main customers? Customers buy and keep for decades, but guess Toyota now woke up they won't have these customers money for decades. How do they keep their mega factories busy for decades?
Well, then they’ll just become like every other manufacturer. Once they are no longer special (which they were for reliability) people will buy elsewhere. People weren’t purchasing because their vehicles are sexy, that’s for sure.
Lexus of Las Vegas charges $275/hrs. labor rate.. Go figure.
To be fair, I'd charge similar if I owned a shop. Why shouldn't they make a killing for their labor? It's far more complex work now and people can't do it themselves
All cars today in my opinion are recyclable. Not not like they older models in my opinion. Never the same as the old school cars too many complex electronics are on cars today hard to fix also
That a closed down Lowe’s? How ironic 😮
I would still buy a Toyota over anything out there!
Had a car with CVT once . Sold it fast. Will never buy a car with a CVT gearbox again.
They are brutal
Mazda is the smart one here (no CVT)
Yes indeed
You should talk about the tracking devices that they install on those new GR corollas. Which is how they know how fast he was going and what he was doing with his car.
Hello!
I’m planning to buy a Lexus RX 350. What’s the most reliable year and up to what year I can get?
Thank you
Sir i am trying to get a 2025 toyota camry le FWD Hybrid the base model . without the convience package and the add ons such as flloor mats mud guards trunk cargo mats door edge guards. every dealership i called claimed not to carry ones wihtout these packages. Can you advise me where and how to get one. thank you.
The thing about Toyota is that we know they are going to fix it.Teething pain, but as a buyer, if there is a major major change in model, i.e.,an engine give it time to develop. Always give it a minimum of 3 years. Toyota will get it right
This is probably the best news for Mazda ever.
If Nissan would ditch their CVTs, this would probably help them tremendously also.
I won't buy another vehicle with a CVT.
Yes Nissan needs to toss the CVT and then look out
Sounds like a fuel issue causing the GRs to explode into flames ! As for the so-called metal filings in the engines, only miles and time will tell if the replacement motors will hold up.
Was the debris being left in the engine deliberate... a type of sabotage .. and didn't this happen to kia or hyundai too .. also didn't boeing have problems with doors falling off etc. Sabotage ?? Just an opinion I'm throwing out there
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I don't trust the turbo cars but I would like to have an older Tundra or Tacoma TRD
Yes the older NA Tundras and Tacomas are great work horses .
turbo engines do not last as long as non-turbo engines. If I were Toyota, I would stick with the engines that created the consumer belief of reliability.
Then pay $5000 more for the car. That's what the EPA fine is for not meeting fuel economy standards. Toyota has to pay that amount on every vehicle they sell.
Is the real problem here Toyota or the company striving to meet new Federal & State regulations for mileage and emissions. You even have the situation where EV's are being mandated as the only vehcle's that can be sold after a designated date in some states.
Toyota has paid the price. Stock has broken records and sales are up. They have the lowest percentage of cars on the lot. No one is in higher demand expect maybe Ferrari or Porsche.
This guy is hilarious. Yes they have issue but they will be fine and are taking care of their customers.
Lowes is Closed?
That one is
Great video, thank you.
I learned something, most old 🚗🚗 car and the most reliable by the years they have been used and tested,with experience mechanic and similar problems been solved and their part are either available or had ways they were repaired or resolved.
Latest cars on the other hand had sophisticated, trouble unknown issues that only the buyer will experience and suffer more than any other stakeholders in the whole cars circles from Manufacturer to Dealership.
I went with a 2024 4Runner. I’m hoping this car will be the reliability we all are expecting. The new 2025 4Runner looks great but I’m not sure about the new platform.
As a Toyota fan boy, you may even call me a shill, but we are looking at a new car and it's not a Toyota. This will be my first non Toyota since 2008.
This is why I bought a 2023 IS 350 with the 3.5l V6.
Great buy. Last of the good ones
Don’t even know what to buy these days… did a bunch of research afew years ago before buying a 2020 Mazda 6 with a 2.5T - purported to be a great vehicle - but now I hear issues with cylinder heads cracking - hope this doesn’t prove to be an issue on mine…
Hey Mark - unrelated question here. You got any other channels besides this one?
That's why if I was in the market for a compact SUV, I'd pick up one of the current RAV4s with the naturally aspirated engine and 8 speed auto for the ultimate longevity and peace of mind (even the hybrids are not as good in those aspects since you'd have to worry about the replacement cost of the battery if you keep your car for a long time). The new wave of Toyotas have increasingly been incorporating turbos into their engines which has back fired as the video shows, and the new RAV4 probably will all as well, or they may only offer it only as a hybrid like they did with the Camry.
Got the 5th gen 4 runner and glad I got it b4 the new model. And yah the dealerships do suck.
The 5.7 is IMHO average and it has common failure items that are very expensive to fix due to packaging. I don't know of any major design flaws with the 3.4 and the recall is for machining debris causing main bearing excessive wear failure etc.
Why didn't they change the break in oil ? Think this may have been the problem?
BMWs are some of the worst, especially the used cars. Toyota quality definitely went down, especially when you compare the 460 to the 550 Lexus great Channel dude.
Say it once say it a million times. Never buy turbo for your daily driver. You don't need the headache that comes with ANY turbo engine
Loved you in the The Amityville Horror. Say hi to Barbra for me.